As you know, C39V2 has totally different construction inside than RAS47. As you could see from pictures, bolt locking lugs and bolt carrier is taking tremendous beating from RAS47 trunnion (which looks fine). Something tells me that trunnion is way harder than bolt and bolt carrier - but i don't want to speculate, that will be checked in independent Rockwell hardness testing when we will put all RAS47 parts against other known AKs and compare ratings...
+Muddy Shoe 'Im pretty close to the same amount of rounds through my C39. I have had zero issues with mine, and would buy a Century over any other AK currently out there.
One of the biggest reasons I love this channel is the up-front honesty regarding the function, or lack thereof, of whichever firearm(s) are being reviewed. Keep up the great work!
Iv got 2 c39v2 and love them both never had any kind of problem with none of them as far as im concerned there quality. For less then 900.00 bucks you cant beat them. Keep up the great Videos
Don't have nearly as many rounds down range on my C39V2, but I really love this rifle. Very solid and a surprisingly good stock trigger. I highly recommend this rifle.
" When something fails I show you guys "... and that is why I am a subscriber. Even when it's human error, we see it AND usually get a comment about it.
I've been very happy with my C39V2. I've been shooting it almost a year now with no problems. Thanks for this video, I was curious how yours was doing. Keep up the good work. Guns and Jeeps, two of my favorite things!
+Corpsie All companies have lemons, Century had a lot in the past but general consensus is they've improved many fold. Did rob get a lemon? maybe, was the whole batch a lemon? Maybe also, it's imo too early to write off the company again but I'm definitely staying away from rob's model for the time.
+CN073 You must not really know how piss poor QC they have comparing to other companies. They have a laundry list of horrible QC on their rifles, they also have a history of screwing gun owners over.
So why back a shit company like highpoint? ... err QC? I KNOW the one YOU HAVE is your beater, and you never clean it. What about the many complaints with follow up? I've bought from you guys. Are you really willing to endorse them???? Seriously this matters if I ever buy from you again. Why don't you follow up with peoples complaints? This video made me kind of sick.
I think Rob Ski`s bolt carries nipple is hitting the recoil spring rear guide. I noticed mine being beat up a little after I had replaced my rear guide. The channel in the replacement rear guide was`t cut out enough causing the BCG nipple to hit it when traveling rearward. It was because I used a rear spring guide from a different country and I guess the tolerances were a little different ? My biggest question is why don`t you take better care of your weapons ? I`v noticed so many RUclips channels not taking proper care of their firearms. I have a rather large collection but take care of them as if my life depends on it, BECAUSE IT DOES ! Just wondering ? As a Marine nothing was more important then keeping my weapons clean. I would think you would have the same mindset ? Still love the channel though.
Neither, rain, snow, nor sleet, nor threat of tornado will stop our intrepid Tim from delivering up a video! Tim, you are so prolific. I/we are so grateful for that. This video has only been up a few hours and you have 19 freaking thousand views. Obviously you have a very large fan base just waiting for your next vid. I should know. I am on one of them That is a particularly good looking gun. AK's from over seas are really rough looking with not so nice wood furniture. Made in 'Murica really looks sweet. Flawless looking wood furniture. Aren't those machined receiver guns heavy as cinder blocks? Close to 8 pounds or more? I always thought I would like a stamped receiver purely from the stand point of weight savings. What little I know about AK's. I want to own at least one, but they are such bricks. Maybe I will do a Krink/SBR with a can. Maybe its time to get some nicer weather down in GA with Moss Pawn and Gun. We love your joint videos... #1 (you) and #2(Eric) in guns on You Tube!
it happens on recoil when the hammer is being reset by the bolt carrier gourp. the hammer is harder that the carrier. that what happened to mine and that's what arsenal told me.
Just picked up a C39V2, taking it out to shoot tomorrow! Super excited. After seeing this review I feel much better about my purchase. Your rifle looks like its been to hell and back and is still running flawlessly. I subscribed.
The Dovetail hits the top of the hammer when the bolt carrier is traveling backwards. This helps reset the hammer. If the hammer is harder than the metal on the dovetail/bolt carrier, the dovetail will start to deform.
Great video as usual. Sorry you feel that you need to stand up for your self concerning you honesty. I've been following your channel for a very long time and you even responded to my question personally about an optic choice I was going to make. That was the first expensive red dot that I purchased. I trust you opinion and enjoy your videos. Thanks for your hard work for us!
I was just at the tulsa arms show today. The biggest gun show in the world and saw my first Polytech Legend. After seeing, it has spoiled me for all other ak's. I also saw a Stoner 63 for the first time. Nearly pooed myself. You shoulda been there MAC.
I see this video is about a year old now.....still holding up good? Could you do an update video? I'm still loving mine but don't get to shoot it as often as I like. I took it out the other day for 120 or 130 rounds and it was so much fun, but I'm wondering how this one is holding up? Any current opinions?
See this is why I love this channel! This is long term test and research into a very popular and in-demand rifle. THIS is the kinds of videos I love to see. I'd love to see this testing on a common but reliable AR like a S&W M&P AR-15 or the like, and on a reliable handgun like the Sig P226 or a Springfield XD (or any of the myriad of available highly reliable handguns on the market for that matter). Thank you MAC for this awesome vid!
That little tang on the rear of the BCG also pushes the hammer back, as you demonstrated but failed to mention. The fix for this is polishing the hammer; there's speculation that a lot of the aftermarket triggers/hammers attribute to the tang being being beat up due to being made of a harder material than the BCG.
MAC, Love your videos! I have had a very terrible experience with every Century Arms products I have purchased IE; (3) Cetme .308's, and (3) Wasr 10's All were terrible builds failure to feeds, stove pipes, magazines not fitting up properly in the mag well, failure to go to battery, improper head spacing; the main purpose of any firearm is reliability because without that should the need ever arise to protect yourself you wouldn't want to ask your assailant if they can wait till you clear your weapon. I have been actively involved in the firearms business for 35 years and have had many quality built pre ban rifles and never a problem with the first Chinese AK's which were imported by Clayco Sports in the early 80's top of the list were the Polytech's, and some Norinco's. I am speaking from experience if you want an unreliable inexpensive range gun buy a Century Arms. If you want a reliable dependable AK buy a Russian Saiga, Vepr Melot, or a Bulgarian these guys know how to build an AK. They are The Gold Standard of rifles; spend your money wisely.
I don't personally have one, but another youtuber here, SlyTigerSurvival, had one (C39) that had to go back to Century due to severe chipping of the ejector in the first 500 rounds. We all know that Century has horrible QA/QC, and although they make VERY good quality firearms, they also let a lot of lemons go out the door. I had a WASR 10/63 that shot about 18MOA at 50 yards. Obviously a lemon, as 98% of the WASRs are excellent. But again that speaks to the poor QA/QC at Century. I have noticed over the years that they have consistently allowed rifles to go out that have been improperly heat treated. That said I own SEVERAL Century VZ2008's and they are all some of the best semi-auto rifles I have ever owned. One shoots at just barely over 1 MOA, the others all between 2-3 MOA. I am a BIG fan of Century. I love that they bring high value options to American shooters. But even though I love their products I am also very aware of their frequent quality control issues. Inspect your weapons before buying, and frequently after. 90% of the issues will show themselves in the first 500-1000 rounds and you should be shooting that within the first year of ownership, therefore within the Factory Warranty period.
If they would hire 4 former military armorers and send them for proper training (so that they could smith the various models sold by century effectively) I think it would serve their products and their company's reputation well.
I watch a lot of these kinds of videos and I am of the opinion that the operational control show with the rifle by this shooter was some of the best I have ever seen.
+mixflip With 28,000 sold, and if you believe that RobSki's test is an indication that ALL will fail, they'll be out of business due to lawsuits before 2016 is over. IF, however, the % of defective rifles is small several dozen to let's say even a few hundred, well.... what then? 28,000 rifles sold in less than two years is a LOT of product sold. Time will tell and be the real decider , and not RUclips reviews. Forget about "out of warranty " issues, IF they blow up , Century will be sued. If they don't , then "out of warranty" will also save Century. Time will tell.
+mobay1517 IO Inc has been making cast trunion AKS for years, with spotty reliability and they haven't been sued to my knowledge. so I think Century Arms will be fine no matter what the track record of the RAS47 turns out to be. I mean let's be real....they made millions of the infamous WASR and it's horrible reputation. I owned a WASR and loved it even with all the hate hype behind it.
And if you see the comments today on WASR's you shake your head. Mind you I tell people use your own PERSONAL experience as a guide and not any "internet expert".
+mobay1517 actually WASRs built after 2013 are pretty well made. no canted sights. perfect rivets. hammer forged chrome lined barrel. forged trunions. still have shitty rough finish but the rifles aren't what they used to be.
I have one bought one year ago with three hundred rounds thru it with no problems. However i have heard bad things about this rifle. Any input would be appreciated
The dingus on the back of the bolt carrier also pushes the hammer back on cycling the action, so it makes contact with the hammer every cycle instead of just when there's a hammer follow. With what I'm seeing on Rob's RAS and a few others folk have shown on the webs, I'm pretty certain there was a batch of, at least bolt carriers, that didn't get heat treated properly. That would also explain why some are showing signs and others aren't. The other problems people have been having on the RAS rifles appear to be from having cast or MIM parts (front trunnion, elevation adjuster, front sight post).
I run the Recce 7 on mine as well. I think I have the shorter minimalist taper mount than the one shown. Super fun to shoot. Last time I went to the range we started seeing that it was a good foot off paper at 50 yards. Still trouble shooting it as I can't see any obvious change to the front sight. Gave it it's first cleaning and we will see if it improves. Also ordered a front sight adjustment tool but haven't received it yet.
My understanding is the C39v2 and RAS47 share the same carrier and bolt, which I believe are cast. Just now hitting the 400 round mark and the receiver is in great condition, but my carrier and bolt are starting to show the same wear, including heavy mushrooming on the dove tail, just like what Rob Ski has been posting in his videos.
Tim "damn the tornado sirens", "dang that thing is hot", you da MAN. You just gave me the idea for a remake of "Wizard of Oz" where Dorothy lands in Os with a dirty ak. If Hollywood picks up the screenplay, I'll be sure you're invited to the premier but don't take time off from the video making to wait by the mailbox just yet.
Perhaps I'm bias, but if I want to see how a gun performs before I pay for it myself, this is only one of two YT channels I trust to be honest, fair, and unbiased. I don't like Rob Ski's way he tests guns. I realize not everyone is going to baby their AK's. At the same time driving over them or dragging them behind a truck is just stupid.
I agree. And either way, many other credible gun guys on YT have had positive experiences with both RAS and C39 rifles. I think CA is just steadily improving and figuring it out with each new batch. I'm happy with mine
I like Robs way of testing.I like to compare cars and rifles.Any new car will do the job of transporting me safely to my destination.Any modern rifle will probably function fine at the range.But I want more from my rifles and cars.I want a car that can be driven to the track raced hard and still driven home safely.I need to know that my vehicles and weapons are up to the rigors of racing and hard use.If you just use your vehicle for transport or your rifles for plinking any car or cheap rifle will do but Rob seperates the cheap plinkers from the rifles you can count on.
Interesting Tim, I have a RAS47 at about 500-600 rounds seeing similar wear to Rob. The question is what's different? Answer might come when Mel64d tests hardness after Robs done. He just posted hardness test on a c39 and is was very hard, bet the Ras comes back super soft.
Maybe you should clean it up send it to Rob Ski and have him do the same torture test on it like he is doing on the Ras47 just saying. That would either shut people up or support what some are saying about century arms. Thanks for the video as always.
Commenting on your disclaimer at the end of this video. Yes, sir. I think most of us do inherently trust you to be 100% candid. That is one of the many reasons you are #1 in content amount all You Tube gun channels. There are a few others on You Tube that are 100% candid also....and many that are not. But only one #1. :)
+Big Dave Thank you, Big Dave. For those that follow my channel and watch the majority of the video, they already know what I said is true. I greatly appreciate your support and views. Thank you for the kind words.
I think it will run fine. There are few AKs that won't down right run. Speaking from experience, I've only had one that ever killed itself and you can't even buy that model of AK anymore. Haha.
ive watched this video quite a few times along with many other's, appreciate your honesty and reliability to fall back on as a fair and understanding firearm leader.~
I've got a C39V2 on the display rack at work with more wear all around than that gun has just for handling, it sounds like general QC might just be terrible in regards to heat treat or something.
+MichaelAussie05 You realize that this video is completely irrelevant to the RAS47, right? As you know, C39V2 has totally different construction inside than RAS47. As you could see from pictures, bolt locking lugs and bolt carrier is taking tremendous beating from RAS47 trunnion (which looks fine). Something tells me that trunnion is way harder than bolt and bolt carrier - but i don't want to speculate, that will be checked in independent Rockwell hardness testing when we will put all RAS47 parts against other known AKs and compare ratings...
Military Arms Channel I was referring to your bit at the end of this video about being paid/not being paid to give reviews. I was not referring to this particular video.
+MichaelAussie05 I was not referring to this video in the sense that you were putting to rest comments/accusations that you take payment for bringing us your opinion/research on any particular weapon I like your brutal honesty in this regard.
+Muddy Shoe What excuses am I making exactly? I own a WASR-10 instead. I prefer the side optics mount and it's nuts to me that there isn't one on this.
I love this rifle, I bought my rifle. Paid for it, run the piss out of it, clean it every time I shoot it. I lube it with engine oil , just like the russians used to. In high summer its good grease. I treat it like a rifle, battle or other wise, should be treated. I have droped it once or twice but never on purpose. I love my rifle and am confadent it will funcition every time I pull the trigger. It may be a century but it runs like a 66 corvette. I cant speak for the RAS 47 BUT THIS RIFLE I CAN......
Thanks for the Video MAC! I have to admit I was REALLY concerned after I watched Robs video. I have the V2 but my train of thought was that the internals between the RAS and V2 were probably the same. I love my V2 so far even though I've only put 120 rounds down the pipe. For me I will probably NEVER put 5000 rounds through it, as its my rainy day weapon. I will follow your future updates on your V2. Now if century would have just put me a DANG RAIL on the side like the new versions, I would be a happy man! Take Care
I like how casual you are about the tornado possibility. Hashtag midwest4life I guess haha. And MAC is definitely one of the best gun reviewers because we know he isn't biased unlike some others out there cough cough Colion Noir cough cough
The wear on the bolt carrier is from where it impacts the hammer face as the gun cycles and resets the trigger, my DDI is peening there and the angle of the wear is exactly the same as the hammer face when its dropped... Surprised it would deform it much but I have run my AK almost exclusively suppressed so maybe just over gassed.
+Brandon Lee This one is suppressed 90% of the time. I see no signs of such wear. The way the hammer is profiled and the radius is on the dovetail, no peening should happen as no right angles should be hitting each other. They should roll right past each other. I don't have any AK's with a peened dovetail.
Military Arms Channel On mine the dovetail impacts the corner of the hammer face almost perfectly and is getting deformed. My arsenal SLR 104 has a tiny bit of deformation but not nearly as much as the DDI and the profile of the dovetail on the DDI is much more straight and less radiused than the SLR. Really curious what the is making some deform and others not...
+Military Arms Channel that's the point though isn't it? That the wear Rob is experiencing is pretty bizarre? Riding over the hammer shouldn't peen the carrier, yet it is. As you pointed out, there's no other way for it to be damaged. My guess is the heat treatment for certain parts was way out of spec in order to get hardness differences like Rob is seeing.
MAC, All I see is typical normal wear patterns on the FCG and BCG. The dovetail does contact the hammer in the recocking of the hammer or can it hit the recoil spring latch/locking part into the rear trunnion. Thunder Snow/Sleet Showers are wicked.
I plan on buying one of those to compliment my AR-15 before the election. But I'm going to keep mine clean and well oiled. It's an $800 rifle, and I can't afford to abuse it. I also won't be using a suppressor. I don't have any need for one, and the $200 tax plus the cost of the suppressor is enough to buy another nice gun. I am going to be spending money on ammo. I want a 500 round stash for both the AR and the AK, just in case.
+Trenton Betts Check out DDI if you don't want to drop 1K on an Arsenal when you're seriously looking... Just my 2C. Century is too inconsistent for me to trust them yet.
+Trenton Betts Screw Century their customer service along with their house made AK's with their proprietary accessories are over priced over rated trash. Spend your money wisely and buy a hard working AK from a respected company. Firearms are an investment buy ones they will carry a resale value.
I have a c39v2 and love it. The only 2 gripes I have are how hot the fore grip gets and how much of a pain in the ass it is to get the dust cover back on.
Tim, what is the point of not taking care of a gun? What other products would you do that to while testing them for reviews? If a reviewer wanted to compare Ford vs. Chevy trucks, and never changed or checked the oil, what sense would that make? Do people want to know which truck's engine will seize up first? Sure, firearms get subjected to severe conditions in combat, but even that isn't all that relevant. 99.99% of us will never be in combat. Even in the military, at least in armies from developed nations, soldiers take care of their guns. Wouldn't a more valid way to test firearms be to observe how they do when properly maintained? The firearms that run the longest without being cleaned and oiled are not necessarily the ones that work the best and last the longest when properly cared for. I just don't like seeing such a beautiful rifle as the one in this video being abused. I'm puzzled as to why this seems so popular among internet reviewers.
+ditto1958 its more of a "worst case scenario". your watch can go up to 1000m below water, but you will never go that deep, but its nice to know it'll be fine if you drop it in the sink ;) (edit: the quote is from jeremy clarkson from top gear , the tv show.)
+|T-Bside| Jey XP That would be 100 meters or just shy of 1000 feet. No watch or even a car engine could go 1000 meters underwater. The pressures would crush the watch or pretty much anything else. Like a empty tin can. Sorry but physics plays a part in this and you can't just defeat physics.
Jerry Miculek posted a video about 5 months ago with the century arms ak's. He filmed it in slo-mo, and the video clearly shows bolt bounce. I was wondering if you had slo-mo cameras, and if you were experencing bolt bounce with your CA ak?
I remember my dad had his Norinco MAK90 that dirty.He had not cleaned it since when he first bought it in 1991 and I cleaned it for the first time about 3 years ago. man the piston was caked with carbon more than the bolt and carrier but it still ran fine.
+David Ozlo If the hammer is harder than the carrier tail it will peen it. If they are the same hardness it will not. If the tail is harder than the hammer, it will beat up the hammer. Century "flame hardens'" the carrier tails, so the hardness could and can be all over the place.
+Michael Vician Is the peening anything to worry about? My DDI (which has been otherwise awesome), has a small amount of peening after 500 rounds. Thanks
Thank you for your honest assessment of this rifle. I've wanted to purchase the C39V2 for a while and like most purchases I read and watch every review possible. I had to sort out the chaff from the wheat because the majority of the negative comments, in message boards and in video comment sections, came from people who don't own the V2. I get it that Century put out some duds... I've run some old single stack, AWB era WASRs that were junk. Long story short, after watching this video, the positives (from people actually running the gun) outweighed the negatives. My NICS check just cleared and I'm heading back to my local gun shop to pick up the Magpul MOE version of the C39V2 I purchased yesterday.
As you know, C39V2 has totally different construction inside than RAS47. As you could see from pictures, bolt locking lugs and bolt carrier is taking tremendous beating from RAS47 trunnion (which looks fine).
Something tells me that trunnion is way harder than bolt and bolt carrier - but i don't want to speculate, that will be checked in independent Rockwell hardness testing when we will put all RAS47 parts against other known AKs and compare ratings...
I read this in your accent lol
Keep up the testing Rob!
+grinc333 do did i
love your channel Rob!
Rob your the man, keep the testing something positive will come from your outstanding work.
I appreciate your honest review. Saving money is making money and your efforts save us time and money.
I am 3500 rounds into my C39V2 with zero issues. I love it!
+Muddy Shoe 'Im pretty close to the same amount of rounds through my C39. I have had zero issues with mine, and would buy a Century over any other AK currently out there.
Matthew Alford 3500 rounds is nothing.
116 magazines is not nothing lmao
@@cky31695 That's more money in ammo than the gun is worth. How are those numbers insignificant?
Vapor Trails I wouldn’t 🤣🤣
One of the biggest reasons I love this channel is the up-front honesty regarding the function, or lack thereof, of whichever firearm(s) are being reviewed. Keep up the great work!
+KFADavis1 Thank you for the support!
Cleaning an AK during a tornado. Does your manly magnificence know no bounds?
I think not my friend lol
It's the midwest, I took exams during an active tornado
Great Video Tim I have a C39V2 and they are outstanding rifles. I did question the quality at first but I think its worth the money. They just work.
"I've got a fast trigger finger, as you can see..." Sorry Mac, just watched half a dozen Jerry Miculek videos....
Boom!
We need a shootoff. Tim vs Jerry!
Miculek isn't human so he doesn't fit into the equation of comparison here!
You like big, thick ones?
LOL Jerry "the Terminator" is special..
What impressed me about this rifle when I first took it out was its spot on accuracy. I could nail soda cans from 100 yards standing. Love it
Iv got 2 c39v2 and love them both never had any kind of problem with none of them as far as im concerned there quality. For less then 900.00 bucks you cant beat them. Keep up the great Videos
Out of curiosity, why 2?
Good review, as always! I bought a C39V1 about two years ago and have had absolutely NO issues with it thus far! I love it!
Great update. Mine looks fine too FWIW.
+Mrgunsngear Channel Good to hear. Thanks for the update.
Thanks for the honest feedback Tim! I have owned a few century rifles and while all them were rough none of them were unreliable.
Don't have nearly as many rounds down range on my C39V2, but I really love this rifle. Very solid and a surprisingly good stock trigger. I highly recommend this rifle.
" When something fails I show you guys "... and that is why I am a subscriber. Even when it's human error, we see it AND usually get a comment about it.
Thanks for this video. I was starting to worry about my C39 V2 after watching Rob's videos.
I've been very happy with my C39V2. I've been shooting it almost a year now with no problems. Thanks for this video, I was curious how yours was doing. Keep up the good work. Guns and Jeeps, two of my favorite things!
So, Century's inconsistent QC may be the problem. Some owners will be lucky and some won't
+Corpsie All companies have lemons, Century had a lot in the past but general consensus is they've improved many fold. Did rob get a lemon? maybe, was the whole batch a lemon? Maybe also, it's imo too early to write off the company again but I'm definitely staying away from rob's model for the time.
+CN073 You must not really know how piss poor QC they have comparing to other companies. They have a laundry list of horrible QC on their rifles, they also have a history of screwing gun owners over.
+Corpsie I do believe you are correct.
So why back a shit company like highpoint? ... err QC? I KNOW the one YOU HAVE is your beater, and you never clean it. What about the many complaints with follow up? I've bought from you guys. Are you really willing to endorse them???? Seriously this matters if I ever buy from you again. Why don't you follow up with peoples complaints? This video made me kind of sick.
The ras and CV are two different models
I like how you put everything to the test and show the failures. keep up the good work.
Would love to see an update for this.
The dove tail on the bolt carrier also makes contact with the hammer on recoil, not neccessarily just on hammer follow.
Ignoring tornado sirens...like the rest of us in Indiana.
I think Rob Ski`s bolt carries nipple is hitting the recoil spring rear guide. I noticed mine being beat up a little after I had replaced my rear guide. The channel in the replacement rear guide was`t cut out enough causing the BCG nipple to hit it when traveling rearward. It was because I used a rear spring guide from a different country and I guess the tolerances were a little different ? My biggest question is why don`t you take better care of your weapons ? I`v noticed so many RUclips channels not taking proper care of their firearms. I have a rather large collection but take care of them as if my life depends on it, BECAUSE IT DOES ! Just wondering ? As a Marine nothing was more important then keeping my weapons clean. I would think you would have the same mindset ? Still love the channel though.
Good update!
Neither, rain, snow, nor sleet, nor threat of tornado will stop our intrepid Tim from delivering up a video! Tim, you are so prolific. I/we are so grateful for that. This video has only been up a few hours and you have 19 freaking thousand views. Obviously you have a very large fan base just waiting for your next vid. I should know. I am on one of them
That is a particularly good looking gun. AK's from over seas are really rough looking with not so nice wood furniture. Made in 'Murica really looks sweet. Flawless looking wood furniture.
Aren't those machined receiver guns heavy as cinder blocks? Close to 8 pounds or more?
I always thought I would like a stamped receiver purely from the stand point of weight savings. What little I know about AK's. I want to own at least one, but they are such bricks. Maybe I will do a Krink/SBR with a can.
Maybe its time to get some nicer weather down in GA with Moss Pawn and Gun. We love your joint videos... #1 (you) and #2(Eric) in guns on You Tube!
You know Tim is dedicated to his audience when he continues to shoot with a tornado in the vicinity. Great video, i always admire the quality.
Mac I've watched your channel for a couple years now and have always enjoyed your French. Don't know why you try to hold back.
it happens on recoil when the hammer is being reset by the bolt carrier gourp. the hammer is harder that the carrier. that what happened to mine and that's what arsenal told me.
How anyone could dislike this video is beyond me. Great stuff as always.
Thank you for the "disclaimer" at the end. #perspective Thanks! Always love when a new MAC vid comes out!
Just picked up a C39V2, taking it out to shoot tomorrow! Super excited. After seeing this review I feel much better about my purchase. Your rifle looks like its been to hell and back and is still running flawlessly. I subscribed.
Matthew Russell 2018 update. His rifle is in dangerous condition. The front trunnion is falling apart.
The Dovetail hits the top of the hammer when the bolt carrier is traveling backwards. This helps reset the hammer. If the hammer is harder than the metal on the dovetail/bolt carrier, the dovetail will start to deform.
Great video as usual. Sorry you feel that you need to stand up for your self concerning you honesty. I've been following your channel for a very long time and you even responded to my question personally about an optic choice I was going to make. That was the first expensive red dot that I purchased. I trust you opinion and enjoy your videos. Thanks for your hard work for us!
whether it be a tornado, tsunami, earthquake, or the second coming of christ, you bet your ass the military arms channel will still release content.
I was just at the tulsa arms show today. The biggest gun show in the world and saw my first Polytech Legend. After seeing, it has spoiled me for all other ak's. I also saw a Stoner 63 for the first time. Nearly pooed myself. You shoulda been there MAC.
Snow and tornado sirens all in one day? Must be Indiana.
Hey Tim I really appreciate your honesty and unbiased opinion. I have enjoyed your channel for many years now. Keep up the good work man.
"This is beautiful wood, probably dickin that up pretty good" fucking priceless.
I see this video is about a year old now.....still holding up good? Could you do an update video? I'm still loving mine but don't get to shoot it as often as I like. I took it out the other day for 120 or 130 rounds and it was so much fun, but I'm wondering how this one is holding up? Any current opinions?
"The court finds you guilty of oiling by proxy! You are sentenced to the smelter! *bang"
See this is why I love this channel! This is long term test and research into a very popular and in-demand rifle. THIS is the kinds of videos I love to see. I'd love to see this testing on a common but reliable AR like a S&W M&P AR-15 or the like, and on a reliable handgun like the Sig P226 or a Springfield XD (or any of the myriad of available highly reliable handguns on the market for that matter). Thank you MAC for this awesome vid!
"The little dingus" I laughed like a little kid every single time.
The tail on the bolt carrier is what resets the trigger after is reward travel. The mushrooming on the tails is from it striking the hammer.
I bought the C39V2 with my own hard earned money and your (and other) reviews have reinforced my reasoning for buying it. Fast @$#!ing finger BTW.
That little tang on the rear of the BCG also pushes the hammer back, as you demonstrated but failed to mention. The fix for this is polishing the hammer; there's speculation that a lot of the aftermarket triggers/hammers attribute to the tang being being beat up due to being made of a harder material than the BCG.
Ok. As of August 2017, how is the C39v2 holding up and would you recommend it over other AK options up to and at its price point? Thank you.
12B0692 January 2018 update. Gun is in dangerous condition.
Front trunnion is tearing apart. And a crack in the trunnion.
Lies...
@@steadly3668 there is no trunnion on a milled receiver, genius. I get that you were being facetious, but at least say something that makes sense
@Brandon Dahl thinking of buying the centurion ak47 it's milled .u think it's a goo?
MAC, Love your videos! I have had a very terrible experience with every Century Arms products I have purchased IE; (3) Cetme .308's, and (3) Wasr 10's All were terrible builds failure to feeds, stove pipes, magazines not fitting up properly in the mag well, failure to go to battery, improper head spacing; the main purpose of any firearm is reliability because without that should the need ever arise to protect yourself you wouldn't want to ask your assailant if they can wait till you clear your weapon. I have been actively involved in the firearms business for 35 years and have had many quality built pre ban rifles and never a problem with the first Chinese AK's which were imported by Clayco Sports in the early 80's top of the list were the Polytech's, and some Norinco's. I am speaking from experience if you want an unreliable inexpensive range gun buy a Century Arms. If you want a reliable dependable AK buy a Russian Saiga, Vepr Melot, or a Bulgarian these guys know how to build an AK. They are The Gold Standard of rifles; spend your money wisely.
I don't personally have one, but another youtuber here, SlyTigerSurvival, had one (C39) that had to go back to Century due to severe chipping of the ejector in the first 500 rounds. We all know that Century has horrible QA/QC, and although they make VERY good quality firearms, they also let a lot of lemons go out the door. I had a WASR 10/63 that shot about 18MOA at 50 yards. Obviously a lemon, as 98% of the WASRs are excellent. But again that speaks to the poor QA/QC at Century. I have noticed over the years that they have consistently allowed rifles to go out that have been improperly heat treated.
That said I own SEVERAL Century VZ2008's and they are all some of the best semi-auto rifles I have ever owned. One shoots at just barely over 1 MOA, the others all between 2-3 MOA.
I am a BIG fan of Century. I love that they bring high value options to American shooters. But even though I love their products I am also very aware of their frequent quality control issues. Inspect your weapons before buying, and frequently after. 90% of the issues will show themselves in the first 500-1000 rounds and you should be shooting that within the first year of ownership, therefore within the Factory Warranty period.
If they would hire 4 former military armorers and send them for proper training (so that they could smith the various models sold by century effectively) I think it would serve their products and their company's reputation well.
I watch a lot of these kinds of videos and I am of the opinion that the operational control show with the rifle by this shooter was some of the best I have ever seen.
Ohh my! I commend your skills! That is a fast trigger finger! Thanks for sharing
Robert Ortiz watch jerry miculek
that integrity is why im a fan, and will continue to support your channel. thanks you!
Yeah...there might be a tornado around....but let's get this ak cleaned up. I think Tim is channeling the power of Chuck Norris through that beard!
you have the rack one trigger on your V2 the problems with mushrooming comes from the Tapco G2 trigger
it's good to see the C39V2 is doing well. Century Arms is going to have executive meetings for sure concerning get the RAS47.
+mixflip With 28,000 sold, and if you believe that RobSki's test is an indication that ALL will fail, they'll be out of business due to lawsuits before 2016 is over. IF, however, the % of defective rifles is small several dozen to let's say even a few hundred, well.... what then? 28,000 rifles sold in less than two years is a LOT of product sold. Time will tell and be the real decider , and not RUclips reviews. Forget about "out of warranty " issues, IF they blow up , Century will be sued. If they don't , then "out of warranty" will also save Century. Time will tell.
+mobay1517 IO Inc has been making cast trunion AKS for years, with spotty reliability and they haven't been sued to my knowledge. so I think Century Arms will be fine no matter what the track record of the RAS47 turns out to be. I mean let's be real....they made millions of the infamous WASR and it's horrible reputation. I owned a WASR and loved it even with all the hate hype behind it.
And if you see the comments today on WASR's you shake your head. Mind you I tell people use your own PERSONAL experience as a guide and not any "internet expert".
+mobay1517 actually WASRs built after 2013 are pretty well made. no canted sights. perfect rivets. hammer forged chrome lined barrel. forged trunions. still have shitty rough finish but the rifles aren't what they used to be.
I have one bought one year ago with three hundred rounds thru it with no problems. However i have heard bad things about this rifle. Any input would be appreciated
The dingus on the back of the bolt carrier also pushes the hammer back on cycling the action, so it makes contact with the hammer every cycle instead of just when there's a hammer follow. With what I'm seeing on Rob's RAS and a few others folk have shown on the webs, I'm pretty certain there was a batch of, at least bolt carriers, that didn't get heat treated properly. That would also explain why some are showing signs and others aren't. The other problems people have been having on the RAS rifles appear to be from having cast or MIM parts (front trunnion, elevation adjuster, front sight post).
All that muzzle blast from that fast trigger finger scared that tornado away. What state are you in? Watching from Pennsylvania
+paul miller NW Indiana. It was a crazy weather day for sure.
I run the Recce 7 on mine as well. I think I have the shorter minimalist taper mount than the one shown. Super fun to shoot. Last time I went to the range we started seeing that it was a good foot off paper at 50 yards. Still trouble shooting it as I can't see any obvious change to the front sight. Gave it it's first cleaning and we will see if it improves. Also ordered a front sight adjustment tool but haven't received it yet.
From everything I have read, the C39V2 is GTG, but the RAS is a gamble at best.
TurboMitsubishi if you plink at the range both are gtg.For hard use neither are gtg.
My understanding is the C39v2 and RAS47 share the same carrier and bolt, which I believe are cast. Just now hitting the 400 round mark and the receiver is in great condition, but my carrier and bolt are starting to show the same wear, including heavy mushrooming on the dove tail, just like what Rob Ski has been posting in his videos.
+Eric Wagstaff I'm thinking it's a heat treat issue.
+Military Arms Channel That would make sense if batches of these bolts/carriers got a bad heat treatment.
*The Dingus*
+MindOverEverything *Peening* on *the Dingus*.
+Robin Glijn Never good when the dingus gets peened. It really dicks things up.
*I'm never touching that part again!*
Tim "damn the tornado sirens", "dang that thing is hot", you da MAN. You just gave me the idea for a remake of "Wizard of Oz" where Dorothy lands in Os with a dirty ak. If Hollywood picks up the screenplay, I'll be sure you're invited to the premier but don't take time off from the video making to wait by the mailbox just yet.
Perhaps I'm bias, but if I want to see how a gun performs before I pay for it myself, this is only one of two YT channels I trust to be honest, fair, and unbiased. I don't like Rob Ski's way he tests guns. I realize not everyone is going to baby their AK's. At the same time driving over them or dragging them behind a truck is just stupid.
I agree. And either way, many other credible gun guys on YT have had positive experiences with both RAS and C39 rifles. I think CA is just steadily improving and figuring it out with each new batch. I'm happy with mine
I like Robs way of testing.I like to compare cars and rifles.Any new car will do the job of transporting me safely to my destination.Any modern rifle will probably function fine at the range.But I want more from my rifles and cars.I want a car that can be driven to the track raced hard and still driven home safely.I need to know that my vehicles and weapons are up to the rigors of racing and hard use.If you just use your vehicle for transport or your rifles for plinking any car or cheap rifle will do but Rob seperates the cheap plinkers from the rifles you can count on.
Yeah but wouldn't you want to know it can go through that and still run ? A litterally gtw rifle where anything happens to it and it'll run
Interesting Tim, I have a RAS47 at about 500-600 rounds seeing similar wear to Rob. The question is what's different? Answer might come when Mel64d tests hardness after Robs done. He just posted hardness test on a c39 and is was very hard, bet the Ras comes back super soft.
where is the HK XM8
+RRGhost MC I just got the ISM-V sight and I sent it back to Tommy to reprofile the barrel so I can put a proper HK muzzle device on it. Soon...
ok
+Military Arms Channel ...really? an M-8?
+Military Arms Channel just got me 1 and now I'm wondering if I should even keep it..
Would like to see an update video on this rifle.
Maybe you should clean it up send it to Rob Ski and have him do the same torture test on it like he is doing on the Ras47 just saying. That would either shut people up or support what some are saying about century arms. Thanks for the video as always.
Commenting on your disclaimer at the end of this video. Yes, sir. I think most of us do inherently trust you to be 100% candid. That is one of the many reasons you are #1 in content amount all You Tube gun channels.
There are a few others on You Tube that are 100% candid also....and many that are not.
But only one #1. :)
+Big Dave Thank you, Big Dave. For those that follow my channel and watch the majority of the video, they already know what I said is true. I greatly appreciate your support and views. Thank you for the kind words.
I just bought one about a hour ago. I hope to kalesnhnikov it works. My 1st
AK-47
I think it will run fine. There are few AKs that won't down right run. Speaking from experience, I've only had one that ever killed itself and you can't even buy that model of AK anymore. Haha.
@@jibb1451 Was it made by IO? Haha
@@hellraiserrec19 nah, Blackheart. . . Haven't heard of em? Makes sense
ive watched this video quite a few times along with many other's, appreciate your honesty and reliability to fall back on as a fair and understanding firearm leader.~
Suppressing an AK is like putting a gag in Luciano Pavarotti's mouth :) Carbon gets a bad rap. I know, I am rambling again :)
lol
+UnknownBigF even better lol
+UnknownBigF I reckon you got me there
I've got a C39V2 on the display rack at work with more wear all around than that gun has just for handling, it sounds like general QC might just be terrible in regards to heat treat or something.
Peening on the dingus-- lol love it
Tim your brutal honesty is brilliant. Putting accusations to rest like a boss. Stomped on it hard.
+MichaelAussie05 You realize that this video is completely irrelevant to the RAS47, right? As you know, C39V2 has totally different construction inside than RAS47. As you could see from pictures, bolt locking lugs and bolt carrier is taking tremendous beating from RAS47 trunnion (which looks fine).
Something tells me that trunnion is way harder than bolt and bolt carrier - but i don't want to speculate, that will be checked in independent Rockwell hardness testing when we will put all RAS47 parts against other known AKs and compare ratings...
+MichaelAussie05 These are two different rifles. I haven't gotten to the RAS47 yet.
Military Arms Channel I was referring to your bit at the end of this video about being paid/not being paid to give reviews. I was not referring to this particular video.
+MichaelAussie05 I was not referring to this video in the sense that you were putting to rest comments/accusations that you take payment for bringing us your opinion/research on any particular weapon I like your brutal honesty in this regard.
Okay. When they make a C39V2 with a standard optics rail, not their proprietary concoction, let me know.
+Murphy82nd Yeah, that thing is bad. Not a fan of the new mount.
+Military Arms Channel hey don't you have Vepr 54r, how that holding up?
I have a Vortex dot on my C39V2..... Stop making excuses.
+Muddy Shoe What excuses am I making exactly? I own a WASR-10 instead. I prefer the side optics mount and it's nuts to me that there isn't one on this.
Yes! The weather in the Midwest has been crazy today! Snow, sunny clear sky, rain, snow, and sunny clear sky again.
I love this rifle, I bought my rifle. Paid for it, run the piss out of it, clean it every time I shoot it. I lube it with engine oil , just like the russians used to. In high summer its good grease. I treat it like a rifle, battle or other wise, should be treated. I have droped it once or twice but never on purpose. I love my rifle and am confadent it will funcition every time I pull the trigger. It may be a century but it runs like a 66 corvette. I cant speak for the RAS 47 BUT THIS RIFLE I CAN......
Thanks for the Video MAC! I have to admit I was REALLY concerned after I watched Robs video. I have the V2 but my train of thought was that the internals between the RAS and V2 were probably the same. I love my V2 so far even though I've only put 120 rounds down the pipe. For me I will probably NEVER put 5000 rounds through it, as its my rainy day weapon. I will follow your future updates on your V2. Now if century would have just put me a DANG RAIL on the side like the new versions, I would be a happy man! Take Care
Who owns more rifles, you or Eric?
+Franz Hayes I'd say Eric
am glad you and rob buddied up, I really look forward to those posts.
I like how casual you are about the tornado possibility. Hashtag midwest4life I guess haha. And MAC is definitely one of the best gun reviewers because we know he isn't biased unlike some others out there cough cough Colion Noir cough cough
The wear on the bolt carrier is from where it impacts the hammer face as the gun cycles and resets the trigger, my DDI is peening there and the angle of the wear is exactly the same as the hammer face when its dropped... Surprised it would deform it much but I have run my AK almost exclusively suppressed so maybe just over gassed.
+Brandon Lee This one is suppressed 90% of the time. I see no signs of such wear. The way the hammer is profiled and the radius is on the dovetail, no peening should happen as no right angles should be hitting each other. They should roll right past each other. I don't have any AK's with a peened dovetail.
Military Arms Channel On mine the dovetail impacts the corner of the hammer face almost perfectly and is getting deformed.
My arsenal SLR 104 has a tiny bit of deformation but not nearly as much as the DDI and the profile of the dovetail on the DDI is much more straight and less radiused than the SLR.
Really curious what the is making some deform and others not...
+Military Arms Channel that's the point though isn't it? That the wear Rob is experiencing is pretty bizarre? Riding over the hammer shouldn't peen the carrier, yet it is. As you pointed out, there's no other way for it to be damaged. My guess is the heat treatment for certain parts was way out of spec in order to get hardness differences like Rob is seeing.
Hey Tim better watch it they will try and make you pay 200$ tax on that finger . I don't think I've seen a faster trigger finger
it's awesome you put this video up I was just checking one out today debating making a purchase.
Like if you see the squirrel sneaking up in the upper right corner the first minute and a half
apekatt2007 lies
MAC, All I see is typical normal wear patterns on the FCG and BCG. The dovetail does contact the hammer in the recocking of the hammer or can it hit the recoil spring latch/locking part into the rear trunnion. Thunder Snow/Sleet Showers are wicked.
I plan on buying one of those to compliment my AR-15 before the election. But I'm going to keep mine clean and well oiled. It's an $800 rifle, and I can't afford to abuse it. I also won't be using a suppressor. I don't have any need for one, and the $200 tax plus the cost of the suppressor is enough to buy another nice gun. I am going to be spending money on ammo. I want a 500 round stash for both the AR and the AK, just in case.
good plan. if you don't already have one, a revolver is A1 in reliability.
MRB MRB revolvers are BAE
500 rounds. That's cute.
Just wanted to say thank you for the great videos! You have the best opening sequence of any channel I've seen, please don't change it! :)
Man I can't wait till I get my first AK...
same
+Trenton Betts Check out DDI if you don't want to drop 1K on an Arsenal when you're seriously looking... Just my 2C. Century is too inconsistent for me to trust them yet.
+Nugrat1 I've never really looked at DDI. But from what I've heard, these C39 V2's are pretty reliable.
+Trenton Betts
Screw Century their customer service along with their house made AK's with their proprietary accessories are over priced over rated trash. Spend your money wisely and buy a hard working AK from a respected company. Firearms are an investment buy ones they will carry a resale value.
Thinking about an AMD 65
you really are my go to firearms channel thanks MAC for being so awesome keep it up.
Obviously CGI. Only Russian AK's work.
I have a c39v2 and love it. The only 2 gripes I have are how hot the fore grip gets and how much of a pain in the ass it is to get the dust cover back on.
Tim, what is the point of not taking care of a gun? What other products would you do that to while testing them for reviews? If a reviewer wanted to compare Ford vs. Chevy trucks, and never changed or checked the oil, what sense would that make? Do people want to know which truck's engine will seize up first? Sure, firearms get subjected to severe conditions in combat, but even that isn't all that relevant. 99.99% of us will never be in combat. Even in the military, at least in armies from developed nations, soldiers take care of their guns.
Wouldn't a more valid way to test firearms be to observe how they do when properly maintained? The firearms that run the longest without being cleaned and oiled are not necessarily the ones that work the best and last the longest when properly cared for. I just don't like seeing such a beautiful rifle as the one in this video being abused. I'm puzzled as to why this seems so popular among internet reviewers.
+ditto1958 its more of a "worst case scenario". your watch can go up to 1000m below water, but you will never go that deep, but its nice to know it'll be fine if you drop it in the sink ;)
(edit: the quote is from jeremy clarkson from top gear , the tv show.)
+ditto1958 Amen brother.
+|T-Bside| Jey XP That would be 100 meters or just shy of 1000 feet. No watch or even a car engine could go 1000 meters underwater. The pressures would crush the watch or pretty much anything else. Like a empty tin can. Sorry but physics plays a part in this and you can't just defeat physics.
Rick S . Check your math Pal.
Jerry Miculek posted a video about 5 months ago with the century arms ak's. He filmed it in slo-mo, and the video clearly shows bolt bounce. I was wondering if you had slo-mo cameras, and if you were experencing bolt bounce with your CA ak?
seems like a good ak to me.
I remember my dad had his Norinco MAK90 that dirty.He had not cleaned it since when he first bought it in 1991 and I cleaned it for the first time about 3 years ago. man the piston was caked with carbon more than the bolt and carrier but it still ran fine.
The tail gets peened when it resets the trigger.
Agreed, so what are you thinking a weak recoil spring. Or possibly over gased from Rob's setup, or factory gas hole over enlarged.
+David Ozlo If the hammer is harder than the carrier tail it will peen it. If they are the same hardness it will not. If the tail is harder than the hammer, it will beat up the hammer. Century "flame hardens'" the carrier tails, so the hardness could and can be all over the place.
+Michael Vician Is the peening anything to worry about? My DDI (which has been otherwise awesome), has a small amount of peening after 500 rounds. Thanks
a small amount is normal
+Michael Vician Thanks for the reply!
I was wondering how a milled version would stack up against Rob's stamped....keep up the great work....missed you at the B3....
Not sure what the big deal is.
Thank you for your honest assessment of this rifle. I've wanted to purchase the C39V2 for a while and like most purchases I read and watch every review possible. I had to sort out the chaff from the wheat because the majority of the negative comments, in message boards and in video comment sections, came from people who don't own the V2. I get it that Century put out some duds... I've run some old single stack, AWB era WASRs that were junk. Long story short, after watching this video, the positives (from people actually running the gun) outweighed the negatives. My NICS check just cleared and I'm heading back to my local gun shop to pick up the Magpul MOE version of the C39V2 I purchased yesterday.
Peening on the dingus, huh? I thought this was a family channel...nice, just nice.
Considering that you "rode that C39V2 hard and put it away dry" for testing purposes, I'm impressed at it's condition at the time of your video.