Guys it's pretty clear really, the outer ring is the docking ring the inner ring is the habitat ring, top half other core is the Promenade and the bottom have is the generator and most likely ore processing I imagine
Whenever a ship leaves, the always say, "release the docking clamps". Which means the clamps to move back and forth to accommodate different sizes of ships.
An in universe explanation for keeping the Cardassian operating system might have been given in the episode where the station gets locked out because the computer thinks there is a Bajoran revolt in progress. If I recall correctly, Gul Dukat left a lot of booby traps in place. Starfleet might not have wanted to poke around too much. Or they just found it impractical.
5:13 Docking clamps. A few episodes they had to lift up the wall in the docking hallway to pull a lever and a piston moves to removes the docking clamps. Then releases the ship.
I want to guess on those pointy things on the upper and lower docking pylons are used to help sturdy a ship while docked. When a ship docks there those points go down inside the pylon. When the docking hatch is sealed those pointy things help the ship stay sturdy like a dock bumper on a boat when it's tied up. And when the ship leaves it goes back to what we see on screen
The most obvious reason why Starfleet didn't replace consoles and viewscreen displays from the Cardassian/Bajoran ones we saw, within the lore of the show, is because Deep Space Nine wasn't actually a Starfleet facility. The station belonged to Bajor and, as Sisko says in the pilot, Starfleet was just there to administrate.
Also, there was no guarantee Bajor would join the Federation. Starfleet was just there, ostensibly, to get Bajor back on its feet after the Occupation. For all they knew, once Bajor was more self-sufficient, they may have been like, "Okay, thanks very much. We got this now."
Also, Bajor was so poor, so a Thrid World Country-like, why they should give ressources on resetting the Station? And Starfleet has trained officiers who can handle it.
The Torpedos could have been stored in converted Ore Bays. Remember that DS9 was an Ore Processing station which means it would have a lot of internal volume given over to storage of unprocessed and refined ores.
Though you're likely aware of it, wWhen you eventually do a full episode on the station, you may want to remember that its appearance in the TNG Birthright episode is the only HD remastered shots we have of the station. The CG models are great for the details we don't see normally, but it's still a unique glimpse of the station from the actual shows.
The mission PrincessTS01 was referring to has you walking around the exterior of DS9 in an EV suit, and it's pretty much scaled correctly. You are absolutely right about the system model of DS9 being ridiculously oversized, as is the interior. Next summer's major release is supposed to be DS9/Gamma Quadrant-centred, so we're crossing our fingers for DS9 to get a makeover to meet STO's newer, higher standards. Nothing's been announced yet, though.
The different angles of this model are really refreshing, such a departure from the stock footage they had to use especially early in the series. I really envy that you can play with these models and see them from angles that may not have served a story purpose but certainly serve a great value here as far as a fan's examination and admiration of the design! Amazing work!
The most sad thing about DS9 is that you never see the engineering room to power the station. :s I assume a station of that size use a matter anti matter core as powersupply. That would've been great.
I don't think those are docking clamps. I think they are guards to keep the ships from hitting the station when they dock and extend their umbilical or whatever. And its Gal - Lore not Gulore.
Larry no, I think that many people fall asleep reading a novel or listening to audio books about things they're interested in, as long as the people are calm and interesting, and it's something that you like, it's bound to when you're tired enough help you slip off to Slumber. I often will find a documentary about something I'm interested in but turning down the brightness on the TV will find me often asleep in just a few minutes, no matter how interested I am in the subject. So the same would apply here I think. Just set it to autoplay and snooze away!
The inner sphere reminds me of the building of the Romulan Senate in “Star Trek: Nemesis”. 17:25 I honestly think that it fits with the whole austerity-aspect of Cardassian culture given that they renounced the Hebitian ways.
We can't see the entire model; but, we should assume that the station has several types of "universal" docking ports. Just like phone chargers are different...
I liked DS9 for it's realism. It's felt liek a UN Mission in 1990ies (Bosnia or Somalia) Starfleet had to deal with poverty and Problem which were banned at most federation world. But all that made it more as it was Closer to our time then a Starfleet without an currency.
Didn't Starfleet cut those docking pads into the habitat ring to house the Runabouts? The DS9 Technical Manual has a partial layout and Doug Drexler designed a new Starfleet styled version for some bookcovers
The habitat ring had multi levels for Cargo storage, shuttle bays (Level uppermost), Crew quarters (Level next lower) were upper level and guest (Level Next lower) and permanent personnel (Level lowest) were lower level. Pure speculation. Please pursue inner design.
Did anyone else get to walk on the Promenade at the Star Trek Experience in Las Vegas? I was lucky enough to go there during Star Wars 30th anniversary celebration in 2007, and I made a side trip to Vegas one evening specifically just to see the Experience and then drove back that night to LA to be ready for the next day of the Celebration. And they did a *really* good job of recreating the atmosphere and architecture of the Promenade, and of course anybody that went through the actual Experience will tell you the bridge of the Enterprise was absolutely incredible as was the giant models at the enormous stories tall entry hall , incredible models that I can't believe Paramount or some science fiction Museum didn't have the foresight to buy and Preserve! They don't show up well in photography and really can't be explained well in words, truly you have to have seen them to believe them. For me it was the closest to being able to walk into Star Trek until they build a Star Trek amusement park like they're doing for Star Wars!
The viewscreen isn't the window, but there is windows in OPS. See this picture: vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/f/f0/DS9_Ops.jpg Upper left.
5:00 In my headcanon i always thought, when something docks to another ship or station, it just becomes a part of the structural integrity field of one of the 2 things. One ship takes over the SIF of the other ship. So there is no need to compensate for things like gravity or the centripetal forces of a rotary station. So there should be no need for docking clamps (force wise). When a ship docks at a station, it just becomes "a part of the the station" by extending the SIF onto the ship. Am i totally wrong on this thought?
I'd love to get a hold of a copy of the DS9 Director's guide or show bible and be able to compare it to the pitch document JMS left with Paramount for a whole year (that they then proceeded to pretty much copy) . This video reminded me of that when Stuart mentioned the "Weapons Upgrades" which mirrors the Defence grid update Babylon 5 got on their show. Babylon 5 was shot in Widescreen and I agree it would have been nice to have that for all the 1990's Star Trek shows too - TNG had an excuse though I suppose due to when it was made. But in retrospect it would be as odd as a Genre show not being in Surround sound.
What bothers me is trying to understand how it worked. Was it somehow sucking ore right up from Bajor and then processed and then pumped into cargo ships? Or was the raw ore shuttled up in cargo ships, processed and packed and then hauled into long range cargo ships? I would imagine there must have been more machinery in the hallways that made it look even more different when it was meant to house and funnel slave labor and transport cargo across the station. Was the other station also a mining/processing space base? Or just a battle platform?
Yep i know :) i didnt watch B5 until this year so i could interview someone from the show. Too many shows and not enough time + a ton of real life work. Ill get to it eventually but i watch Flash/Arrow/Legends/Big Bang theory/Brokyln Nine Nine and stuff as my regular viewing and that takes all my tv time :)
my only issue whit the design has to be the docking ports on those pillons... do they walk from the top to the outer ring or is there a elevator, cause having one elevator there aint the pratical design
With transport technology docking makes no sense, and is dangerous. If anything docking rings should point outwards. But ds9 looks nice, and that is what matters.
I always felt having the docked ships clustered in the upper and lower pylons seemed dangerous and limited capacity based on the scale of the docked ship. The pylons should have been reverse and pointed out the way like the mini-pylons on the habitat ring.
Were there any shops or things on the upper wall way of the promenade, or was it purely a walk way and window viewing area? We’re all the shops confined to the lower main promenade?
Think revenge. If we keep it looking Cardassian, then they know that we have a feeling all the time that we took it from them and the "look" is proof. (Insert sarcastic laugh) Slap in the face to Cardassian visitors.
I never understood the habitat ring being called the inner one either, what with the weapons stations AND shuttle craft pads being there. Another thing - look at EVERY shot they did inside of any characters quarters - the shot out the window is always just SPACE. Shouldn't the docking ring be right in the middle of the shot out of the window, in every, single quarters in that inner hab ring? I mean, there should be at least docking ring segments, and perhaps even upper/lower pylons in plain sight out of every single window in the hab outer ring, and of course the inner part of the station from the inner part of the hab ring. No matter what, there should be somthing other than empty space in the shots out of the hab ring windows. Yet you never see the docking ring outside of the quarters' windows shots. IMO they just goofed up in the writing and labeling of the station, the habitat ring IMO should be the outer one, and the shots out of the windows inside of the quarters confirms that.
That's a problem with Trek in general, though. You should be able to see the upper saucer and warp nacelles from the Enterprise-D's observation lounge, but you don't. Janeway's ready room should also have plenty of the upper saucer visible, since the windows are flush with the hull on the starship model. As for DS9, I think it makes sense for the habitat ring to have its own landing bays for personnel transport - it keeps the docking ring free for cargo ships.
Dot Matrix yeah what is up with that? It seems like the same people make sure to show up and dislike every time. Did they get their feelings hurt or something that could be resolved?
I swear there are just Dislike Bots that go around and dislike videos. I don't think i've seen a single video, ever, that didn't have at least ONE dislike. To much tinfoil hat? maybe but meh.
wonder why they didn't upgrade the photons to quantums along with a secondary shield after that big battle with klingons to get it ready for the dominion? oh while I remember hope you have a safe & happy holidays
I love DS9 but I have to say I always thought there was a real problem with scale on the station. It never seems as big on the inside as it looks on the outside. There are several decks going down to that red thing (whatever it is) and the promenade always seemed small. It's a shame they never built a propper engineering set. I know it's supposed to be much much bigger, but I always felt Babylon 5 was a much better proportioned place and frankly a better scale for a station with a real sence of it being a city.
inky agreed, The Babylon 5 started using CGI effects first which helped extend or completely create many of those very large and elaborate sets. DS9 didn't use CGI until it became more photo-realistic so it kind of was a draw as to which did that better. I am a huge fan of Babylon 5 and especially its meaningful and complex series long story line, and I don't even mind the Unique Look of its effects but I understand that too many watching it now that they would not be acceptable. Even after the remaster of a few years ago.
That sequence in the battle with the Klingons was absolutely memorable!
Guys it's pretty clear really, the outer ring is the docking ring the inner ring is the habitat ring, top half other core is the Promenade and the bottom have is the generator and most likely ore processing I imagine
Yep, you're right and Ops is the top pod above the promenade. Ore processing is in the bottom half of the central core.
Whenever a ship leaves, the always say, "release the docking clamps". Which means the clamps to move back and forth to accommodate different sizes of ships.
An in universe explanation for keeping the Cardassian operating system might have been given in the episode where the station gets locked out because the computer thinks there is a Bajoran revolt in progress. If I recall correctly, Gul Dukat left a lot of booby traps in place. Starfleet might not have wanted to poke around too much. Or they just found it impractical.
5:13 Docking clamps. A few episodes they had to lift up the wall in the docking hallway to pull a lever and a piston moves to removes the docking clamps. Then releases the ship.
I want to guess on those pointy things on the upper and lower docking pylons are used to help sturdy a ship while docked. When a ship docks there those points go down inside the pylon. When the docking hatch is sealed those pointy things help the ship stay sturdy like a dock bumper on a boat when it's tied up. And when the ship leaves it goes back to what we see on screen
as a teenager I loved the show I was even lucky enough to visit the set my dad worked in transportation for paramount
Gren please expand on that story! It sounds very interesting!
The most obvious reason why Starfleet didn't replace consoles and viewscreen displays from the Cardassian/Bajoran ones we saw, within the lore of the show, is because Deep Space Nine wasn't actually a Starfleet facility. The station belonged to Bajor and, as Sisko says in the pilot, Starfleet was just there to administrate.
Also, there was no guarantee Bajor would join the Federation. Starfleet was just there, ostensibly, to get Bajor back on its feet after the Occupation. For all they knew, once Bajor was more self-sufficient, they may have been like, "Okay, thanks very much. We got this now."
Also, Bajor was so poor, so a Thrid World Country-like, why they should give ressources on resetting the Station? And Starfleet has trained officiers who can handle it.
The Torpedos could have been stored in converted Ore Bays. Remember that DS9 was an Ore Processing station which means it would have a lot of internal volume given over to storage of unprocessed and refined ores.
Though you're likely aware of it, wWhen you eventually do a full episode on the station, you may want to remember that its appearance in the TNG Birthright episode is the only HD remastered shots we have of the station. The CG models are great for the details we don't see normally, but it's still a unique glimpse of the station from the actual shows.
i was walking around the outside of ds9 the other night in STO pillons were huge
The mission PrincessTS01 was referring to has you walking around the exterior of DS9 in an EV suit, and it's pretty much scaled correctly.
You are absolutely right about the system model of DS9 being ridiculously oversized, as is the interior. Next summer's major release is supposed to be DS9/Gamma Quadrant-centred, so we're crossing our fingers for DS9 to get a makeover to meet STO's newer, higher standards. Nothing's been announced yet, though.
The different angles of this model are really refreshing, such a departure from the stock footage they had to use especially early in the series. I really envy that you can play with these models and see them from angles that may not have served a story purpose but certainly serve a great value here as far as a fan's examination and admiration of the design!
Amazing work!
did anyone else notice the flash of sovereign class nacelles over the captain and commanders picture @ 2:25 ?
Love DS9
Those triangular pieces on the docking arms could pivot open - perhaps they are magnetic clamps/pads or something...
The most sad thing about DS9 is that you never see the engineering room to power the station. :s I assume a station of that size use a matter anti matter core as powersupply. That would've been great.
I don't think those are docking clamps. I think they are guards to keep the ships from hitting the station when they dock and extend their umbilical or whatever. And its Gal - Lore not Gulore.
Is it wrong to admit whenever I have trouble sleeping I put an episode of Trekyards on and usually fall asleep watching it.
Larry no, I think that many people fall asleep reading a novel or listening to audio books about things they're interested in, as long as the people are calm and interesting, and it's something that you like, it's bound to when you're tired enough help you slip off to Slumber.
I often will find a documentary about something I'm interested in but turning down the brightness on the TV will find me often asleep in just a few minutes, no matter how interested I am in the subject. So the same would apply here I think.
Just set it to autoplay and snooze away!
Deep Space 9 - Battlestation!
The inner sphere reminds me of the building of the Romulan Senate in “Star Trek: Nemesis”.
17:25 I honestly think that it fits with the whole austerity-aspect of Cardassian culture given that they renounced the Hebitian ways.
We can't see the entire model; but, we should assume that the station has several types of "universal" docking ports. Just like phone chargers are different...
The Defiant docking section that Stewart identified (lighted) appears to be slightly different that the one in direct view.
I liked DS9 for it's realism. It's felt liek a UN Mission in 1990ies (Bosnia or Somalia) Starfleet had to deal with poverty and Problem which were banned at most federation world. But all that made it more as it was Closer to our time then a Starfleet without an currency.
Ore processing is the lower section beneath Ops, and the promenade?
Didn't Starfleet cut those docking pads into the habitat ring to house the Runabouts? The DS9 Technical Manual has a partial layout and Doug Drexler designed a new Starfleet styled version for some bookcovers
The habitat ring had multi levels for Cargo storage, shuttle bays (Level uppermost), Crew quarters (Level next lower) were upper level and guest (Level Next lower) and permanent personnel (Level lowest) were lower level. Pure speculation. Please pursue inner design.
Did anyone else get to walk on the Promenade at the Star Trek Experience in Las Vegas? I was lucky enough to go there during Star Wars 30th anniversary celebration in 2007, and I made a side trip to Vegas one evening specifically just to see the Experience and then drove back that night to LA to be ready for the next day of the Celebration. And they did a *really* good job of recreating the atmosphere and architecture of the Promenade, and of course anybody that went through the actual Experience will tell you the bridge of the Enterprise was absolutely incredible as was the giant models at the enormous stories tall entry hall , incredible models that I can't believe Paramount or some science fiction Museum didn't have the foresight to buy and Preserve! They don't show up well in photography and really can't be explained well in words, truly you have to have seen them to believe them.
For me it was the closest to being able to walk into Star Trek until they build a Star Trek amusement park like they're doing for Star Wars!
The viewscreen isn't the window, but there is windows in OPS. See this picture: vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/f/f0/DS9_Ops.jpg
Upper left.
5:00
In my headcanon i always thought, when something docks to another ship or station, it just becomes a part of the structural integrity field of one of the 2 things. One ship takes over the SIF of the other ship. So there is no need to compensate for things like gravity or the centripetal forces of a rotary station. So there should be no need for docking clamps (force wise).
When a ship docks at a station, it just becomes "a part of the the station" by extending the SIF onto the ship.
Am i totally wrong on this thought?
I'd love to get a hold of a copy of the DS9 Director's guide or show bible and be able to compare it to the pitch document JMS left with Paramount for a whole year (that they then proceeded to pretty much copy) .
This video reminded me of that when Stuart mentioned the "Weapons Upgrades" which mirrors the Defence grid update Babylon 5 got on their show.
Babylon 5 was shot in Widescreen and I agree it would have been nice to have that for all the 1990's Star Trek shows too - TNG had an excuse though I suppose due to when it was made.
But in retrospect it would be as odd as a Genre show not being in Surround sound.
Gul Dukat's cowardly escape pod.
What bothers me is trying to understand how it worked. Was it somehow sucking ore right up from Bajor and then processed and then pumped into cargo ships? Or was the raw ore shuttled up in cargo ships, processed and packed and then hauled into long range cargo ships? I would imagine there must have been more machinery in the hallways that made it look even more different when it was meant to house and funnel slave labor and transport cargo across the station.
Was the other station also a mining/processing space base? Or just a battle platform?
Maybe DS9 (ii) for next Christmas?
Did you ever thought about reviewing the Rosinante of the Expanse?
Neither of us have seen the Expanse so...no :) when we watch the show perhaps!
power543 That’s unexpected, you should give it a try.
Yep i know :) i didnt watch B5 until this year so i could interview someone from the show. Too many shows and not enough time + a ton of real life work. Ill get to it eventually but i watch Flash/Arrow/Legends/Big Bang theory/Brokyln Nine Nine and stuff as my regular viewing and that takes all my tv time :)
my only issue whit the design has to be the docking ports on those pillons... do they walk from the top to the outer ring or is there a elevator, cause having one elevator there aint the pratical design
Gravity plating. They wouldn't even know that from the outside, it would look like they were walking down.
Cool episode. You should do Empok Nor next.
Robert Hayes Why? Its The same
D4rthDuck That’s The joke
Robert Hayes funny guy
^.^ yes! its very much in the plans..whole new renders will be made to show off her details and such! exciting!
Just replay this episode, but turn down the brightness and tilt your monitor about 35 degrees. =)
With transport technology docking makes no sense, and is dangerous. If anything docking rings should point outwards. But ds9 looks nice, and that is what matters.
I always felt having the docked ships clustered in the upper and lower pylons seemed dangerous and limited capacity based on the scale of the docked ship.
The pylons should have been reverse and pointed out the way like the mini-pylons on the habitat ring.
Were there any shops or things on the upper wall way of the promenade, or was it purely a walk way and window viewing area? We’re all the shops confined to the lower main promenade?
Merry Christmas Trekyards
Think revenge. If we keep it looking Cardassian, then they know that we have a feeling all the time that we took it from them and the "look" is proof. (Insert sarcastic laugh) Slap in the face to Cardassian visitors.
I never understood the habitat ring being called the inner one either, what with the weapons stations AND shuttle craft pads being there. Another thing - look at EVERY shot they did inside of any characters quarters - the shot out the window is always just SPACE. Shouldn't the docking ring be right in the middle of the shot out of the window, in every, single quarters in that inner hab ring? I mean, there should be at least docking ring segments, and perhaps even upper/lower pylons in plain sight out of every single window in the hab outer ring, and of course the inner part of the station from the inner part of the hab ring. No matter what, there should be somthing other than empty space in the shots out of the hab ring windows. Yet you never see the docking ring outside of the quarters' windows shots. IMO they just goofed up in the writing and labeling of the station, the habitat ring IMO should be the outer one, and the shots out of the windows inside of the quarters confirms that.
That's a problem with Trek in general, though. You should be able to see the upper saucer and warp nacelles from the Enterprise-D's observation lounge, but you don't. Janeway's ready room should also have plenty of the upper saucer visible, since the windows are flush with the hull on the starship model.
As for DS9, I think it makes sense for the habitat ring to have its own landing bays for personnel transport - it keeps the docking ring free for cargo ships.
In star trek online can you walk around on DS9?
One Dominion soldier disliked this.
Dot Matrix yeah what is up with that? It seems like the same people make sure to show up and dislike every time. Did they get their feelings hurt or something that could be resolved?
I swear there are just Dislike Bots that go around and dislike videos. I don't think i've seen a single video, ever, that didn't have at least ONE dislike.
To much tinfoil hat? maybe but meh.
As someone who's favorite trek was DS9 its painful to here you guys talk about it when its clear you couldn't care less
wonder why they didn't upgrade the photons to quantums along with a secondary shield after that big battle with klingons to get it ready for the dominion? oh while I remember hope you have a safe & happy holidays
I love DS9 but I have to say I always thought there was a real problem with scale on the station. It never seems as big on the inside as it looks on the outside. There are several decks going down to that red thing (whatever it is) and the promenade always seemed small. It's a shame they never built a propper engineering set. I know it's supposed to be much much bigger, but I always felt Babylon 5 was a much better proportioned place and frankly a better scale for a station with a real sence of it being a city.
inky agreed, The Babylon 5 started using CGI effects first which helped extend or completely create many of those very large and elaborate sets. DS9 didn't use CGI until it became more photo-realistic so it kind of was a draw as to which did that better.
I am a huge fan of Babylon 5 and especially its meaningful and complex series long story line, and I don't even mind the Unique Look of its effects but I understand that too many watching it now that they would not be acceptable. Even after the remaster of a few years ago.
inky B5 was designed to be a “City in Space.” DS9 was designed to be an ore processing plant.
Part 2....still mumbling.
Merry Xmas guys!
People get mad about the Discovery having holes in the saucer this is worse Nd yet no one blinks an eye
Stephen Julius station isn't starfleet tech tho and plus the station has had tears to grow on people
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