Trekyards EP296 - Enterprise J (2017) (Part 1)
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"Licensed but not canon" is the best description of STO I've seen.
...why? Only the TV shows and films are canon. Everything else is "licensed but not canon."
Yes, I got a little frustrated with video game information and Graphics being considered Canon by some people. Like people will say "everybody knows that takes four quantum Torpedoes to take down a Romulan warbird's Shields" because they played that in a video game. That's not the real, (well in-Universe real), way things necessarily would go.
Just like if I referred to a video game from 1995 where it took a precise hit from a phaser on a ship to take it down, I obviously know that's not how everything from there forward should be held to just because it was state-of-the-art at the time.
Also many of the designs are over decorated in a way that doesn't follow form follows function practicality. We don't need Racing Stripes to make the ships faster. LOL
So I would caution anyone that sto designs are cool, that are not canon even if they are licensed, the same way the books in comic books are licensed. In the future there will be some better cooler 3D VR game that will make everything in STO irrelevant but that game won't be Canon either. Fun to talk about and look at, but not canon.
@Carmine Licavoli No...
Ent-J's Diplomacy Beams: "Fire the Picards!"
Ent-J Torps: "Fire the Kirks!"
Ent-J #1 Coffee Replicated: "The Janeway".
Ent-J's ECH: "The Sisko".
Ent-J's Captain: "Jacob Archer".
Ent-J's FLT: "Transwarp-Spore Drive".
There, include everything... including STD... so no one bites my head off.
Rob Wong pure genius!:-)
I do like how Doug thinks about future tech and reasons things out.
+Alan Kelly
I cannot escape the thought that Doug really doesn't care about the K/J and is just saying stuff. He is fine talking about the project and design process, but for the rest he is just pulling it out his ass.
Tuning3434 Indeed, he's really channeling his inner hippie years! But in the end, it all comes down to doing what he was told and his paycheck, not creating part of a Universal Legend.
Yes it is cool to hear creative people brainstorming about a design and what possible details might do, especially with the Creator involved! He's a fun and creative guy and is so gracious to come on and discuss his designs and play the game of inventing what different details are and clearly enjoys it, and isn't afraid to say just because it looks cool sometimes also! Hope to see him again for future designs! His knowledge is invaluable!
You can tell he's like. "I just made something that looked cool and fits in Trek." through the whole interview. LOL!
Arthur Williams aka Art Sempai yeah but he keeps coming back and seems to like the friendly sparring and trying to come up with a reason for some of his designs is a fun way to have him get creative and sometimes come up with cool and new ideas. I like listening to creative people brainstorm like that, that's how so much fantastic art gets made. And at the end of the day if you can't think of anything he will say just because it looks cool. :-)
"Anything you think it is, then it probably ain't!" - Love it.
Eric Reese that is really thinking out of the box! He likes to challenge people's assumptions, and that is a great characteristic of artistic and creative people. Star Trek is all about challenging our preconceived notions so we can imagine a bigger and better future.
For those of you that have never done so, watch this with the CC turned on. I will forever think of Samual as Monica Kunz because that is how the CC reads his name when pronounces it. It gets better from there, Trekyardians comes out as "check your id ins out." You guys are the best, I may not always agree with your observations or conclusions but this channel is ALWAYS pure entertainment! Well done.
I wonder if Drexler gets frustrated with the questions about tech and appearance that can only be answered with "it's a TV show design." Cockings really brings it back down to the mundane and boring with these questions. You can see Drexler's passion about what a future could be like, and he is asked "So, what are those blue lights for?"
Mark Morris if you watch again you will see that there is a knowing angle to those questions, it's clear that the detail was done "just because it looks cool", but he was clearly joking and playing with him a little bit by pressing him about :now come on think of what it is you designed it so it must do something", as a friendly joust in a discussion amongst talented people about a design.
Sometimes that humour can be a little hard to pick up but he would not keep coming back if he didn't enjoy a little bit of verbal sparring over the details of his incredible designs.
He's a fun and creative guy and a great asset to the show and I love the back and forth discussions because he often does come up with creative and interesting things when everybody in the room knows it's just "because it looked cool". :-)
It's not a good interview technique though to ask someone very detailed technical questions when they're a) not a tech guy, b) clearly not as interested in that stuff as you are, and c) literally didn't have the time to think about the answers to those questions. It comes across as rude and not being able to read your guest, which are bad interviewing techniques.
Frown when you guys are on? *No way man!* The most rad duo on the internet always brings a smile to anybody who loves Trek or ships and Trek ships! :D
The studio assets and the access you share with us is content available nowhere else in the alpha quadrant! Truly amazing access and beautiful rendering work! Thanks as always guys! Cheers!
i love this design.. :)
it fits the time frame...
Great work! Im constantly impressed with you guys
maeinureyes Ditto! :)
I never realized it was so big. Especially compared to the other Enterprise ships.
I LOVE the close up views! Unpopular as it may be, I see a TON of potential in that ship.
Replicator tech is ST 3d printing of the future. Voyager crew built the Delta Flyer with replicator tech. Figured that's how all ships are made.
Say Doug, are you familiar with “Our Million-Year Mission”? It sounds right up your alley.
12:31 I personally approach change in Star Trek like how Khan talks about technology having advanced but humanity not being all that different. Star Trek is about humanity's future, after all. A future where we do not forget to be human, that is.
Since I don''t just like to complain about things - I also like to put forth solutions.
Here is how The Diamond Tooth picks of the nacelle mounts on the J could be designed to minimise any torsional and lever stress on them. That is to use the warp field or a structural forcefield between the nacelles and down to the hull making a large "Virtual" Triangle shape so when the warp field is active it isn't just a horizontal connection field it's also two lower 60 degree fields too. Making the Co-axial warp field prismatic in shape.
Oh and What Doug isn't mentioning is that there is a mile of metal on one end and another mile of metal only more so on the other end of a tiny lever point and any stress on either part in opposite directions is going to either require needlessly enormous energy field reinforcement or is simply going to snap - and in case of main power failure combined with any sort of shockwave that is going to loose those Nacelles regardless what they are made of they can be made out of Q's woven armpit hair it won't matter.
We simply have to pretend otherwise for the sake of the story.
"Do they need it in the script?" Brilliant. Its a job boys.
*THAT SHOT OF THE J JUMPING OUT OF WARP!*
We're not worthy!
Trekyards Wow!
LockTest Hear, hear! :)
I can hear a viscous guard dog standing it's ground in there. Well done guard dog!!.
Another great episode fellas!
Holy shit. I always disliked it, having only seen it in pics. It looks so much better in 3d, thanks guys!
I maintain that, ESPECIALLY this far into the future, the Commander's refrain of "form follows function" doesn't necessarily need to apply. The technology should be sufficiently advanced, and the costs of production insignificant enough, that they would be building stuff to have aesthetic value.
Jeff Lawson that is a well-reasoned point! Even the Vulcans continue to design aesthetic value and appreciated art despite being the ultimate race when it came to designing things rationally to complete a function. Art becomes its own value, in other words.
Fantastic episode,great to see Doug back. Merry Christmas Stuart ,Samuel ,Doug.
The universe class, I read it doesn’t have turbo lifts it has rapid internal site to site transporters and the signals transmitted through a conduit system.
She was designed for intergalactic exploration meaning other galaxy’s
Thats all fan info and some of that came from trekyards in our first info. The ship would also have tirbolifts haha its only logical
power543 well I think it’s safe to say she has next generation slip stream..... but I never saw this ship as a temporal vessel, I just don’t get that vibe from it, I think time technology was in its infancy during this era
I agree. No time travel in my opinion (exsept round the sun back to basics). I bet it would be able to cross to another galaxy by this time...or atleast across our galaxy in no time
power543 yeah deffo trans galactic but would take a few weeks remember 3 million ish light years to andromeda galaxy for example but that’s pushing the drive at full power. Probs cross ours in like a few days tops
Probably has a advanced slipstream Drive. A Quantum Leap Drive or something like that that allows it to travel to different galaxies in just a few days.
If it was a show, their primary mission were to be to visit the Andromeda galaxy and the Kelvans would be the main threat.
I would also love to see this go up against a fully powered Doomsday Weapon.
Robert Hayes
"Quantum Leap Drive", nice.
It has the spore drive
S1alker Good god. Imagine that whole saucer spinning. :)
When it's stated as exploring other galaxies I can't imagine it being a fast thing. Especially since not all ships can do it. It probobly still takes weeks or months. Especially since the distance between us and other nearby galaxies is hundreds of times bigger than the length of a galaxy.
Goddamn it, this was just what I needed this morning. You legends!
Anthony Och Word!
The diplomacy beam: Using the remain of captain Picard the federation reverse engineer the diplomacy wavelength (a wave that can harmonize with other waves that it interacts with). This wave is produced through a Vulcan Logic wave form circuit and a phaser array. Note it does not affect Ferengi.
For me the Rows of Flat Windows, was always an indication for an 2 Dimensional Outer Hull with a 3 Dimensional inner Room. "It's bigger on the Inside!" kinda thing. I love the Design. Doug should've done the Discovery. It would have looked better and would be more Canon.
Great Show to the Trekyards Team.
hello fellow trek fans. for me a FED ship design work if it looks good the way you see it normally and upside down.
miranda, centaur, gargarin, shepard, shenzou and the enterprise J work just fine for me.
and in space you dont have "up" and "down" so my ship should look good from all directions. (if we set style over function)
It's still incredible ship and I love it.
I assumed what Archer did made sure that timeline was the one to happen. Daniels made it clear that the battle of Procyon V was supposed to happen.
Robert Hayes. "Was supposed to happen" lol, pulp scifi! Dont ever change.
heres an idea for the bridge being at the top of the ship. Have it be actually the most heavily shielded or aarmoured part. generally speaking if it looks vulnerable you would probably aim for it. But since its better shielded its better that the shots do land there as oppose to other parts which are actually more vulneable
"Love beams"....... yes....., - they do..... :)
What Doug said towards the end really resonates with me that they would have a holographic bridge which would let them choose the bridge they want to use. It would especially make sense to me if the ship was a time ship like the Relativity that depending on the era guests are from they could project era specific interiors to minimize contamination of the timeline.
The pylon tips are connected to the Warp Nacelles themselves and not the top hood?... That was the only thing I did not know. Now I have to figure out how to get that to work on my LEGO moc of the EJ! XD
CaptRicoSakaraPrower
Good luck, I don't envy you.
Captain Lokiawa OK then?
Is that sound a dog or CB Radio? Or a dog on a CB Radio?
sounds more like a duck being sat on.
I think it's Doug's chair creaking every time he moves. Guys so high energy he can't ever sit still. Needs to get some WD40 for that bad boy. Jeez.
Geese.
"That's a big 10-4 good buddy this here's BladeRunner going on standby I'll see you on the flip flop, over and out! And I'm clear!"
Good times!
The best thing about Doug he has th mind-set of Star Trek.
When he starts talking about hoping there is no conflict... Conquest is an integral part of the human race. In fact, it's part of every species on earth. Conquest isn't always necessarily bad. Man will always be part of conflict.
Holoship.. sometimes it can cloak itself for Incognito Temporal Surveys.. even masquerade as other vessels, the exterior is more a Flag (costume) than any functional device.. depending on the aesthetics of the union they are flying through, they may have to swap out markers or conventions to not offend, or to engender a more cooperative or collaborative working environment with the peoples they meet. Makes First Contact a breeze. or Stealth missions through hostile territory much easier. For Extra-Universe missions different local physical laws may impose restrictions or requirements on the current configuration design to enable locomotion or control surfaces to move through space, or exo-space.. even exo-time.
At the 12:56 mark of this video,the Enterprise-J looks a lot like Discovery.Nice tie-in there.
garageguy879 That’s not the J. That’s a Kongo Class vessel
Really? I guess I need to brush up on these ship classes,,lol.
Yes that is an alternate design was not chosen for the J, but I really like that design as well! As they said in the video this one had a secondary Hull but to tie in more closely with the NX Enterprise they went with just the saucer and nacelle design.
But the one at that time marker is a beautiful ship in its own right!
I agree,but you have to admit,,got some Discovery going on.
i LOVE THIS MAN
Yay! part 2 of the flying pizzacutter
Hell the whole ships could be a re- inforced hologram and have a single solid warp core and projectors and that's about it and could change its shape and dimensions when needed to better do I the job its required to do like the holo ship from insurrection but on a much huger scale
If you are going that far, you can just place the crew into storage and have them projected as holograms.
Excellent episode, merry Xmas everybody! DD is an amzing guest, I love his idea of the diplomacy beam ;))
(and I tend to give people five designs with the one they are supposed to shoot down turning out to bet the one they want in the end)
That's one huge ship
I personally imagine future starships in star trek as just blind disks. Maybe with a bit of secondary hull. They are just capable of generating as many nacelles as needed via upgraded hollogrames.
I think Drexler might be getting ahead of himself. Sure it’s 170 years more advanced than the E but it’s still 300 years less advanced than the Relativity, and they still have a proper bridge etc.
Robert Hayes. A bunch of alternate timelines at work here.
Then Relativity will have to be re-imagined. Fully virtual bridges will not be far off even in the 2030s.
Can't wait for Part 2!!!!
I adore the Enterprise-J
I Think the Enterprise J Still Exists, When We see the Sphere Builders at the Battle of Procyon V This was before they Traveled Back into the Past, after the Battle of Procyon V the Sphere Builders were Defeated and then they Traveled to the 22nd Century where they were defeated by Captain Archer and the Crew of the Enterprise NX O1 that's how I see it.
I think I've said this before in the.. let's call it the "Short Rundown" of the Ent' J (Ft. Doug Drexler), my thought(s): From the moment of it's first appearance I fell in love with the Ent' J.
Oh my Q, I did not know the bussard collectors spun that's awesome.
I wonder what the remastered version of the J would look like, as in remastering/remaking the windows and giving more detail to the hull, and deflector dish. But that is just my random thought.
*GASP* COULD YOU IMAGINE THE SIZE OF THE MODEL KIT? In comparison to it's relative model sizes, at the most AMT 1:2500 category.
Hey guys--long-time fan of yours leaving my first comment ever---love your channel and shows but I have to say this is not the first time Drexler's dog has been...how shall I say....a presence in the background? Seriously, tell that guy to shut a door or something! Sorry my first comment is a diss--you guys are my favourite RUclips channel--I've watched all your episodes(some more than once) and cant wait for new ones (even if some of them are about Discovery.....oops another diss....sorry guys)-love your channel and content and Happy Holidays to you both!
The Altair class(?) at 12:49 looks like an improved federation style Galor class. Or at least heavily inspired by cardassian designs.
Love the video but please oil Doug's chair lol! it's always a hoot when you have him on!
E-J seriously grew on me. The only thing I don't like is the Whale Shark front.
Maybe the J is made of 3D printed Graphine.
Why in the world would they commission a design and get it fully rendered and then *not* use it in thr episode?!
the model is VERY SIMPLE...it would have had to been made totally from scratch as a high res ship if it was actually to be used on the show. The J doug did was a quick approval model, only would take a few hours. Especially since he already had the nacelles from a previous design.
Thank you for the reply! I just think it's such a beautiful and elegant design and considering the lower resolution televisions of the time I still think it would have held up as a flyby or a brief establishing shot, but of course I deign to your expertise in things of this nature.
I love the way you have rendered it and used it in this video and at least in my opinion I think it totally holds up beautifully.
Awesome to see Doug discussing it, that is always a bonus as is the actual real model assets, I can't express enough how incredible it is to see those from _this_ geek's point of view!
That unique access and new and creative rendering certainly does not go unnoticed and unappreciated.
Thanks again for all your hard work!
They still love wall2wall carpet in the 26th century
Lmaoooo Love beams, killing them work kindness ....courtesy of starfleet human resources 😂😂😂😂
the windows span over 3 decks or something. that seems most reasonable.
Is Doug sitting on a pull string talking Chucky doll that makes a sound every time he moves in the chair? I was trying to figure out what that sound was and only took in about 25% of the conversation.
so basically its the ship to end all fun and conflict
But if you'd like me to be smiling - do that 'The Last Jedi' joint Movie review please.
As for the J.
I like His sketch - the hull blend is really nice.
I don't know what I think about Time travel engines on a ship of the line - Perhaps as a means to allow very long distance travel - but for general mucking about it's a bit iffy.
As for the idea of a thing existing or not existing - they are supposed to have invented Temporal shielding for a large section of space in the future so that people can't just use Time travel to wipe them out of existence. That would likely mean the version of the 26th Century that exists behind the shield would exist as long as the actions that take place in the past allow it too - otherwise it would even up as some really odd pocket universe where the past that created it is a whole other dimension of space time - I would hope that they'd be able to stabilises that into it's own plane eventually though rather than have a big weird hole of otherness in the Galaxy. which then would cause some very odd counter reaction as the home Universe's 26th century re-establishes itself.
I've long said that the temporal cold war and the 26th *and later* century is a means to allow Discovery to take place that isn't then an outright insult to the original continuity.
I don't think they care enough to write it like that though unless they find another series of excuses that people will tolerate for the show to justify it's existence.
i think as has been said before though that the J can project particles in whatever form it needs in offensive or defensive ways or even for whole other purposes.
Essentially a combination of matter synthesis, holograms, shields and sensors (and more) is part of the entire hull. so it wouldn't have hologram projectors and it wouldn't have phasers *unless as a very specific legacy tool use* the particle synthesizers would just make whatever energy or matter was needed and also repair the hull - disguise the ship or do whatever is needed of them. It likely could even throw up physical barriers and accelerate them with the warp field into hideously powerful kinetic weapons. if the object has interphasic & multi-phasic properties it might even be able to splat a phased ship. Though even finding another ship would be super hard if they can be invisible, intangible and out of phase in time too.
Which is perhaps a good excuse why Starfleet hardly ever sees advanced races - they are invisible to them.
Seems too early for it to be a temporal vessel. That’s 28th/29th century tech.
Robert Hayes
Alas this is true "Memory Alpha" says the Tempoal Accords were signed in the early-mid 28th century.
Great ship, I like the episodes with Doug Drexler and also other designers. For what might the glowing part in the middle of the saucer be? The Ori ship of Stargate SG1 is similar. Is it a kind of power source?
If this was a hero ship what changes would Doug make now and would we see a different ship
where was the bridge located on the enterprise j?
organic warp core maybe
@ Trekyards - I feel the Enterprise J nacceles should be FREE floating and held in place by Magnetic Attraction. like the Floating Star Trek Pen or the Floating Deathstar Bluetooth Speaker.
Mark Plott yeh we mention that in this episode. I think that is a ...tadddd to advanced for me given how huge the ship is and the way it travels.
Naw, it needs to be more advanced.
Enterprise J > JJ Enterprise
Mark Lawrence we don’t speak that petaqs!! Name lol haha
Mark Lawrence it's really not
well yes it is literally bigger
Can you imagine a JJVerse J? It’ll probably be bigger than Spaceball 1.
Mark Lawrence blasphemy! :-)
Does Doug have a Bichon Frise barking in the background?
that other model should be the Enterprise I
Plot twist...it's a planet killer.
Is this before you had the Eaglemoss model?
Robert Hayes yes we actually filmed this months ago
power543 That explains it. I was wondering why you weren’t playing with it. :)
Impressive ship, and nice to see two versions, with and without secondary hull. Both work well in their own right. But if technology gets so far advanced that there is much less or no need for weapons, and construction is enhanced by force fields, 3D organic design and other means, then ultimately why still use ships? Cities could take to space, like in James Blish's "Cities in Flight". One way or another, technology progress will end Star Trek's saucer-and-nacelles configuration. And that means, for a Trek series far into the future, somewhere beyond Enterprise-J, the ships will have to be fully re-imagined, if needed at all. At least, there could always be a new Trek series with Enterprise-J as the hero ship. She might be the last.
@ Trekyards - I always thought the Enterprise J saucer used Dimensional Technology. meaning the External Surface is 2 Dimensional but the Interior Volume is built just like a Conventional Starship.
Mark Plott but why? Its a huge ship with a ton of decks. Plenty of internal volume! :D
power543 yeah I think special folding tech didn’t come till way way later
Yeh that was only seen for a 31st century podd that was discovered. It was meant to be future federation but not starfleet. That sort of tech is really dr who tech :P
I've been looking for its sister ship the USS Tardis for a long time, for some beauty shots, but don't know when she is. All I found was a blue police box.
Colani Tower arhhhh yes common mistake it’s a red phone box lol not a blue police box haha
I don’t like the design of the J, it looks a giant metal pancake. I agree with the guy a great deal about Rodenberry’s death causing the series to be inert. How many ship designs can anyone come up with when they’re stuck rearranging the original Enterprise design over and over? The guy has a great imagination about how far technology could go and how amazing it could get. I’d like to hear his thoughts on what the Enterprise Z might look like.
So basically it's an early Tardis?
Doug is being a bit disingenuous about "Thrust" for a start if you look how the engines are supposed to function in the Motion Picture era the field between the two nacelles is basically an almost flat plane that warps space and pushes the ship forwards via the spacial compression and decompression - some sort of stress is on those struts in that regard.
However in TNG etc.. they start talking about "Warp Bubbles" (bye bye line of sight) and as such the whole hull is more uniformally propelled.
So No I don't think it's unfair to point out a possible weak point in the design - it's clearly designed to look cool over function and also to get something dangerous far away from the crew.
It's like there is a series of VERY convoluted explanations of why it's not a huge deal to have your impulse engines not in the ships center of mass - but again it's not at all unreasonable to point out that on a surface level examination that is also rather poor design in terms of function.. so again they are placed where they are placed more because 'it looks cool'.
Also strut strength does become important on later ship where the engine plasma feeds the impulse exhausts and the warp nacelles both as then there is more of a push on the struts - especially if entering an atmosphere.
Sure there is structural fields to compensate for stress and there is the principle of active support (where an object is made strong by passing a current through it). so the engine mounts would actually be made stronger by the plasma passing through them.
But it doesn't stop the struts being a big target (like the Bridge) saying enemies please shoot here.
I don't much mind as it does look pretty having them thin like that (much prettier than the Beyond-A is with it's big old wings).
But it's always a bit suspicious when "Extra Information" is required to allow a vessel to make sense in the context of it's universe.
Ì love Enterprise J
i still prefer the enterprise D over all other enterprise ships
The flatness of this ship makes no sense
Drexler gives a good reason for it having been that way, being that they created it for Enterprise so it was designed to reflect the NX-01, and it would probably be entirely different if they were doing it for TNG or whatnot.
Heres my rationale for the flat ships we see vs the tall ships. One primary concern for something like warp drive as seen in trek is the power requirements likely rise drastically as the volume of the warp bubble rises. So minimizing at least one axis will drastically reduce power requirements.
So you build your first few warp ships.... warp delta Franklin NX, flat for efficency. Want to build a mid class ship to flush you the fleet, you get Mirandas amd Nebulas. Want a resiliant combat vessel that puts as much power as possible into weapons amd shields? You got the Defiant.
It also makes sense that so many alien fighting ships are basically flat, BoP D7 Galor etc.
The flatness is senseless when you realize they still have they huge wings and engines sticking out the side and up providing not field efficiency or streamline for higher speeds through temporal stresses as Seven of Nine Points out as a problem. There was no progress on this design. It' s so simple and amorphous that it's generic Star Fleet.
saquist. Given the near ubiquity of off center nacelles its obvious that theres a reason for it.
The impression I got was that it was meant to be a city in space, developing the concept of the galaxy class to its furthest extent. So it would make sense to have a lot of internal space. You could probably fit the internal space into a smaller volume but that would give you a more cramped submarine aesthetic. With fewer larger decks you could create very expansive internal spaces like parks and restaurants as well as full factories and laboratories.
Kumbaya beams. I just really can't get use to this shape. It's too much. The saucer looks like a normal saucer just stretched out on the computer, windows and all. That whole shark hammer head thing going on with the saucer and deflector dish just makes it worse. Trying too hard to look like some future version of NX-01 but with that long, lengthy alien looking stuff Steven Spielberg always did. I like DISCO better to be honest... that's saying something too. Drexler is an awesome guy and I love his designs but this one was a quick and dirty thing... I think it has great potential, but if this is considered canon... ya no thanks... I like the look of the version @13:52 better. Saucer still needs some work but this looks pretty good to me.
I still don't know why this ship must be so huge. Huge designs, I feel are wasteful. How many smaller ships could have been built with the resources that went into this ship?
.Why have crew at all, not a hyper-sophisticated AI that can extrude holo-avatars at will.
.Or the crew [again if any are needed] could be safely located on Earth, or anywhere else, interacting virtually with the ship and places visited via telepresence, the data being streamed through a minute artificial wormhole (the Bajoran one HAS been studied for centuries by this point).
.Or the ship has an artificially-generated katra/consciousness and itself can telepathically link to any sapient life form.
.Or my favorite concept: Daniels lied to Archer.
Any 3D sites with the Enterprise J model on it?
TheCastellan apsolutley not. This model was entrusted to us directly by Doug Drexler. Few people in the world have it and it will never be publcally shared.
Michael wiley made a fan versiom however
its still is a big shipppp
sefhyro. Not really, size is one area trek really falls down on. Whats possible in a space fairing civilization dwarfs everything we have seen built by humans.
I've always directly and openly criticized Trekyards for being TOO fan-centric when questioning Professional designers about their Professional Work. Doug is testy in this video because those questions about ship abilities are unfair. These were not pet-projects. This was a job. While there were creative aspects of it's origin they didn't develop a mythos for the MANY MANY designs they created. Hell Doug can barely remember fine details. This is rapid fire work and design, high stress at high speed with high expectations.
Samuel, the scale of the ship's pylons don't matter relative to any other ship. They matter to the over all rest mass of the ship itself. As we can see there is no actual physical connection to those pylons to the nacelles. The model is to rudimentary and rushed. This is a very very fragile design. Doug isn't an engineer or a physicist.
- Ships still have to move through normal space without warp fields. They still have to maneuver and turn.
- Of course we also know that Trek created materials that can withstand great specific heat like ablative armor but they do not mitigate inertial and torsional forces. The best counter argument to these facts is Star Trek Magic Fields.
-It would have been better to create Virtual Glass Hulls like Gene Roddenberry's Earth Final Conflict where energy barriers become the natural progression of ship technology.
-One of the things Doug doesn't understand is how loads work through materials. They travel like water around edges and they seek the weakest point of failure like a lightning bolt seeking the quickest path to the ground. No matter how many honey comb shapes you put into the molecular structure of beam there just isn't enough material to handle the loads. You thicken the material or you find another material but it is not a limitless progression.
-Right now the future is aerogels, Carbon nanotubes (fractal structures 300 times stronger than steel), meta-meterials, bulk diamond, Bulk fullerenes. None of these materials allow for loads a million times the amount of material being used.
-FYI If Star Ships were matter replicated with normal Transporters it would take more than two years to complete based on ship mass and human mass.
Lol why even grow the ship when you can just REPLICATE it. The ship can probably heal itself up as well or better than a Borg Cube can...its nano errything
TDBoedy
Much like that alien shipyard as seen at the end in that episode of ENTERPRISE, when it was thought to have been destroyed it started to repair itself.
It looks like they just took the NX class and stretched it out. Also Drexler looks more frustrated, annoyed and in a rush than anything in this interview. Not exactly the most engaging guest you guys have had...
Jaws I think you may be misreading him slightly. He is a very energetic person as you can see in the other interviews even when they were with him doing an interview in person he moves a lot and has a lot of expression in the way he describe things and that is a great characteristic of a creative and artistic person. And it is cool to hear a group of people discuss and brainstorm about designed especially when the Creator is involved! He has been on before and hopefully will be again so I truly think he enjoys it!
Is that a dog barking in the background or is it Doug's chair? So distracting....
It's Dog Drexler. 😂
I thought it was a bird!
It finally stopped so maybe he strangled it
wow that stupid dog wont shut up
This is among the worst designs in my opinion. Thinking Doug was drunk. Weapons for a ship that exist when Time Travel is a normal thing, I think would be something along the lines of Time distortion emitters. Damaging other ships by phasing parts of the hull so that they would be aged faster then the rest causing fractures. He did a great job on the Design on the NX-01. It looks exactly what I would have expected my self for the time frame. Even if there was thrust there is no resistance in space to cause stress on the struts not to mention better materiel. For me the issue is not about spindly struts the issue is that it is not pleasing to the eye and I am not on board with just making the ship so much larger every couple hundred years. I do like the idea that every crew quarters is a holosuit. That would be cool to just change your room to what ever you wanted. lol
Or maybe have some weapons that do the opposite. Like a temporal anchor that prevents a ship from travelling through time
Universe class.. the only Enterprise known uglier than the JJprise. As much as I love Doug's work.. man this thing is hideous.
Darck Nightfall Still better than all STD ships.
Hah.. I can't argue with you there. You could be right. I did kindof like some of the federation ships.. but none of the fake klingon ships.
Darck Nightfall Some of the Fed ships there already look like the J; with the flat hulls.
Ships dont have to be pretty, some of the best ships have been less than graceful.
JJ's ships look fantastic. JJ movies have junk stories but the art is great. Get off the bandwagon.
Looks ridiculous... 'Everything has been shrunk to nonexistence'... Except for the entire ship. Tech advances would allow the ship to be smaller. He talks about slimmed down warp nacels due to this but on the whole they are so much larger.
And really... Walking with your feet towards the center of the dish to explain the ridiculous windows?
Fact is there is this thought in ST that bigger is newer and bader.
Why is it so flat?
King Leo XVII its not...its so huge that its all skysrapers and tall hull...just at the dar away level looks flat. Its a huge ship and the pylons are nice abd thick if you watch the episodd
the Universe is Flat along with the Flat Earth.............LOL.
Mark Plott 😂😂😂😂
Because it's the future of the future!
What the hell is that background noise that keeps going on it sounds like a dog barking or someone's squeaking a chair or something it's distracting as fuck
I have always hated this design.
The tooth pick connections, the continued regurgitation of the red blue engines another 200 YEARS into the future. I don't even like the saucer style. Why hasn't star Fleet moved on from this motif? Voyager ended with slipstream and quantum drive tech influencing hull geometry. It's just another example of how Rick Berman killed creativity in Star Trek.
The guy Doug was just working for a check. C'mon those guys asking these BS technical Star Treky questions are just stupid. Plus theyre reading the questions....They sound staged and dumb. Just relax and chill with the interview.
I've never liked this ship. What was he thinking with that trout pout deflector dish? And that texturing, looks stretched. Awful.
Honestly, even by Kirk's time it would be unrealistic for the Captain to bark out commands to a helmsman.
eXcommunicate1979 could you please explain further? I don't understand why the captain wouldn't feel free to give orders directly to Helmsman especially in an emergency situation? You must have some expertise and I'll be interested in hearing your knowledge of this issue.
Dale Stafford The interfacing and computer technology would be far in advance of what we have today. For all intents and purposes the ship would be sentient. It could probably read the minds of the crew and know the commands before they were even spoken. If there's a helmsman at all, likely they just confirm the commands the computer has already input for them, either directly from the captain's brain or interpreted from his voice.