How STABmons Buffed Sylveon.
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- Sylveon is arguably the best Eeveelutions in recent years, but this isn't to say it hasn't fallen off, with poor defense, a lack of coverage, and a very predictable movepool, Sylveon is a fairly bad Pokemon in todays Metagames. But there is one place where this changes, STABmons, which uses it's unique niche to provide Sylveon with new tools to ravage the tier, and turns Sylveon into an interesting, and very good, Special Sweeper. In short, in this video I'll be covering exactly How STABmons Buffed Sylveon, as well as covering how it buffed others in similar ways.
Thank you for watching, hopefully you enjoyed, and if you did, please make sure to subscribe :)
Chapters:
0:00 - STABmons Shining Examples
1:20 - Sylight Niches
2:10 - How it affects Sylveon
5:10 - Ogerpon Washing Machine
7:15 - Conclusion
7:30 - Subscribe (pls) :)
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Thank you for watching, also, Rotom Wash receives grass type moves as well due to the disgusting "Rotom Mow" form.
This changes only a few things, such as new found access to Strength Sap and Matcha Gotcha. It basically just makes Rotom Wash a bit more annoying, curse Rotom Mow.
This is the first time I've ever seen someone hate my favourite Rotom-form. I can understand hating Rotom-Wash because of its ubiquity but Mowtom tends to go under the radar.
Rotom loses its form-specific STAB move when swapping between forms (the only moves of those types that it learns naturally are those, the generic TMs of Sunny Day and Rain Dance, and Will-O-Wisp, a TM which is learned primarily by Ghost types), so while it getting moves from its other forms' types makes sense mechanically, I don't think this is in the spirit of how Rotom was intended to work. Has there been any discussion about this, and if so, could I have a link to read/watch/listen to it?
@@belodieSo the reason it can still learn it's other forms moves is because the tier doesn't consider the extra typing of moves to be from a level up set, and rather as TMs. There was also a discussion in generation 8, which removed Rotoms access to these types of moves, this was changed in Generation 9 because all it really did was make Rotom bad and uninteresting for very little reason other then unnecessary tight accuracy to the games.
@@belodie There has been. In fact Rotom didn't used to benefit from its other forms' stabs a few generations back, but it was changed to keep it in line with other out of battle form changes, so Rotom has been potent in stabmons ever since. It just didn't make sense to give that benefit to every mon with form changes other than Rotom. It was inconsistent and arbitrary to exclude it.
>sees cool metagame where every mon can fully use their STAB
>watches halfway in
>dragapult is banned
society when poltergeist dragapult
Dragapult when it gets any physical ghost move (balanced mon)
I'm honestly shocked landorus with flying stab + roost is allowed
@@ryanjensen1945 It's stronger, yes but not game breaking like Komala was apparently. That got banned because the ability to call Whirlwind via Sleep Talk everytime is simply unfair.
probably more of the special moveset that makes it broken still tbh, astral barrage, dragon energy,clanging scales etc. insanely strong and fast
Imagine Dragapult with Spectral Thief, or (if we're being really wild and crazy): Last Respects.
STABmons is a competitive format available for play under the other meta game tab on Pokémon Showdown.
This is a true fact people
Real
thats crazy
Within the tier, pokemon can use any unbanned move that corresponds with the user's own typing
@@hypphen This is also a true fact people, what an interesting tier.
What a wonderful Thumbnail.
Thank you Jimothy Cool, Heatran is in shambles seeing Sylveons success
Hi jimothy
Stabmons, a metagame based on having any stab option you want, Sylveon here opts for a psychic setup move, ground type coverage, normal type special move and a normal type healing move
amazing
1:43 Oh, so that’s why Ogerpon-Wellspring gets Diamond Storm!
Or Ogerpon-Wellspring learning Sacred Fire.
Hey. STABmons council member here! Just wanted to drop by and say that this is a great video! I believe Sylveon to be very underrated in the current format, especially for its defensive sets letting it check Kyurem, Wake, Bolt, and the Lati twins so well.
Personally I do not think it's very good sole hazard control simply because the only hazard setter it really can force out without trading with is Ting-Lu, but it is still a very important asset to a lot of bulkier hazard stack teams due to how well it keeps hazards up through it being able to threaten basically every Defogger bar Corviknight with an incredibly strong Boomburst, but also remove the opponent's own hazards before they become a problem and take pressure off of your own alternative hazard control.
Choice Specs Sylveon is also an interesting option, with Super Fang in the last slot still letting it beat checks such as Heatran and...actually basically just Heatran quite well.
If I may make a suggestion, I think an interesting video could be made on why Iron Hands is so good in STABmons as opposed to OU since I think that might not be so immediately obvious to the outside community beyond "hurr durr big Bolt Strike" when it goes a bit deeper than that.
Thank you so much I'm glad you enjoyed! I'll definitely look into making a video about Iron Hands, and same I think Sylveon is a very good case of how STABmons core mechanic gives a Pokemon a whole array of new uses and tools to spice up the tier
May I ask why Rotom keeps the moves of its other forms? I’m curious because Rotom normally forgets the move of its other forms when changing, so I was surprised that Rotom-Wash could learn Fire moves!
So I checked forums, main reason given is that it's a niche thing that kinda pointlessly nerfs Rotom and makes it considerably less interesting to remove those types from it, last gen it lost those types within the Metagame, and this gen it was decided that was a kinda pointless removal and that it kinda just made an interesting Pokemon boring for little to no reason
@@marzbar5877
Generally it's because it follows this flowchart.
Is this form accessible outside of battle?
If yes, then it can be taught those moves.
If not, no, you would never be able to get the opportunity to teach it those moves.
This is because new moves in STAB are treated like TMs rather than moves integral to a Pokémon's level up kit.
Rotom learning Overheat when in Rotom Heat form is a different case as it's a move inherit to the Pokémon itself, it learns it upon achieving its form. However since moves in STAB are treated like TMs, there is nothing stopping a player from teaching Rotom the moves necessary and just swapping forms to learn moves as they see fit.
Thank you! I agree with this decision and I’m happy to now understand the reasoning behind it
Gotta love how Silvally finally gets something in this format by being able to learn every move in existence!
Gets everything....
Including a ban, Sivally fans will get their day someday
@@EvelynIsBased ‘Tis unfortunate :(
Indeed :(
maybe if they made a STABmons Ubers tier it'd get its moment in the spotlight
@@Psychomaniac14 i was about to comment about arceus but arceus would almost certainly just be banned from ubers too
5:41-and Accelgor, always remember that Accelgor learns water shuriken
Why does it actually learn that lmao, 145 Speed and a priority move, it also gets Hydration? Did Gamefreak want it to be a Rain sweeper or something. Interesting though, thank you for the comment lol
@@EvelynIsBased Gamefreak does not like the idea of signature moves ( its why Smeargle still exists)
Because accelgor is also a ninja, and it is a shuriken move.
@countriario1234 should've gotten it's own shuriken based move. Say an bug type electro ball type move with the name of like "Chitin Throw" or smth
Sylveon gets a buff during pride month.
@@germanfedyunin4803 Guy who doesn't understand the actual statistic and just parrots 4chan stuff has logged on. The stat is ~40% of people who are at varying stages of their transition have had suicidal thoughts not have taken their own lives dumbass.
a truly befitting buff, the homophobic Heatran is in shambles
@@EvelynIsBasedYou got your 'mons mixed up. Its ferothorn that's homophobic, not heatran.
@@EvelynIsBased Heatran literally got "tran" in their name my guy. Heatran is an absolute ALLY and I will not hear otherwise.
@@EvelynIsBasedthat’s ferrothron, heatran famously supports heatrans rights
My first ever room tour win was stabmons the first day I tried it. I used 3 eevelutions. Including Flareon! BACK IN MY DAY SYLVEON RAN E-SPEED
There is actually a set I was thinking of including as a joke with SD/Belly Drum with ESpeed lmao
Wow, this was a trip to get in my recommended. I don't play competitively anymore, but in ye olden days of gen 6, I was a member of the STABmons tiering council (Seraph's Fire, if you were to dig up any of the threads). At the time the tier was in a very different state, with unnerfed -ate abilities, Dark Void everywhere, and normal spam absolutely dominant due to setup moves being mostly unrestricted.
Sylveon was one of the most broken things to hit the tier back then, and iirc the first that we banned unanimously. Its primary set was a nearly unwallable Specs set with Pixilate Boomburst, but it could run basically anything it wanted, which is what really made it broken. Shell Smash ran fighting type Judgement to become uncounterable after a boost, spdef blanked many attackers while still retaining hugely powerful Boombursts, and most ridiculously, it could even run Belly Drum. Pixilate Extreme Speed easily swept weakened teams that had tried to keep priority to guard against Shell Smash, and most notably beat Sableye, which was at the time the tier's #1 blanket set-up check due to Prankster Topsy-Turvy.
I haven't kept up with gen 9, but it's cool to see that Sylveon is still up to similar shenanigans as back then.
That's actually super fascinating, glad you enjoyed and thank you for commenting :)
I just realized that azumaril gets extreme speed
Jet punch does more dmg
@@alexbest2440 why not both?
@@sythrus Because extreme speed is restricted, meaning even in STABmons, it can only be used by native users.
@@mikec4390 that... is a fair reason.
@@sythrus you also want recover
I remember playing this back in (I think) Gen 6. They had to make so each Pokemon could only inherit one extra Normal move, since Shell Smash+Boom Burst Sylveon and Mega Altaria and Belly Drum+Extreme Speed Ursaring were broken.
I’ve wanted to try stabmons for a while, and now after seeing this video I’m definitely gonna give it a try!
My poster child for the mechanic has always been rotom who in any form gets access to any electric/ghost/water/fire/grass/ice/flying moves
When Lando-T was brought up I was like "I guess Dragon Ascent would be pretty powerful on it". The second Beak Blast was mentioned though, I let out a cry of despair.
"I don't know if the Landorus is Scarf Dragon Ascent or Beak Blast until I do this"
"Landorus used Shore up"
Tears
Thank you Evelyn
i really wish the eeveelutions got more coverage. im glad at least in stabmons sylveon gets their due. happy pride
Indeed, would be a very game changing factor for many of them. Happy pride to you as well
Brb making sun team Rotom-Wash with Sunny Day/Hydro Steam/Blue Fire/Solarbeam because I like defying expectations.
The Meta is not ready for Sun team Rotom Wash
@@EvelynIsBased Unironically it isn't. WashTom can sometimes find a place on Sun teams as an offensive check to offensive Landorus Therian sets while being a strong threat in its own right.
Granted it's usually Parabolic Charge, Hydro Steam, and a toss up between Torch Song and Freeze-Dry on such teams, but it still does in fact exist on some.
Love the video and it is surprising to see the amount of views compared to the amount of subs
Glad you enjoyed, I've only recently started so I get good views but subs take some time, gotten 2000 over the course of this year though so I'm pretty proud of it :)
The one thing I take away from this vid is that Silvally literally just is equal to god now, as it gets access to everything lol.
Also, thanks for the note on how Judgment actually works. I just joined an alphabetmons draft league and now I consider picking up Kommo-o to make use of it.
Thanks for watching I'm glad you learned something, also yeah Sivally does, it's sadly banned for this, Sivally fans never getting their day at this rate lol
What I lack in creativity I make up for in contributing to the algorithm
This means Jolteon gets ice plate and judgement for bolt beam without tera. And Flareon gets extreme speed and scared fire and swords dance
I’m definitely trying this tier
It's a really fun tier that gives a lot of older Pokemon new uses, hopefully you enjoy, I've never personally tried any other Eeveelution in the tier but hopefully they're good as well :)
@@EvelynIsBased my pfp might be a giveaway but eevee is my favorite Pokémon so I hope they’re good. I have wanted eevee to learn every move that their eeveelutions do, but this should do for the ideas I’d had recently for her old siblings
Extreme Speed is among the handful of moves that's limited to only its natural users so no Belly Drum + Extreme Speed nonsense.
@@TheOtherNeutrino well that’s extremely disappointing. Is that also why it said Flareon couldn’t learn shell smash? While Jolteon could?
@@eeveewithcoffee9554 Yes, Shell Smash is also restricted to its natural users. Other moves include Wicked Blow, Shift Gear, No Retreat, Revival Blessing, Victory Dance and Last Respects.
Im just over hear thinking about DD Garchomp and all the physical electric types that now get good stab options
I just wanted to say that maybe when talking about moves of different types you either color it that way or have a little visual indicator of the type because my brain sees all the moves you are displaying and going “normal type”
Like, even if you say the moves are a certain type it just: “Is normal colors? Is normal type!”
I also want to say I don’t know how I got here. I don’t play much competitive and certainly not these special rules versions. But I do like listening to people talk about stuff they are interested in even- and especially if- I don’t have a clue what’s going on.
No thoughts, just Clodsire-like vibes :D
Weird question, why did you use shiny Sylveon the entire video? No anger, just wanted to know.
Ps. This was also a engagement comment fir the algorithm, I had no other idea for one.
So this actually has a few answers, I get my sprites for videos on a site called Shinyhunters and sometimes their standard sprites are from the 3DS games while their shiny sprites are from the Switch games, in that case I'll take the Shiny sprite, in Sylveons case though it was just cause I like it's shiny lol
@@JSpin-js4vr(also thank you)
Im just a big old Porygon2 ultra and I love how its main purpose of being the glue that keeps teams together persists throughout different metas.
But there is the question of mega evolutions. Are they part of this meta? And if so, how does Mega Altaria perform?
Logically it should get access to any normal, flying and dragon move but not fairy - until it pops the mega evo. How does that hold up?
So for physical attackers do they get multi attack or is the type based on silvalys RKS system or the memories also work
Honestly I have no idea, I'd imagine it's based on the memory but most of the time Pokemon get the desired move just through STABmons or their natural movepool
Does Sylveon go with Rapid Spin over Court Change due to appreciating the speed boost?
Rapid Spin Sylveon is moreso used on teams that appreciate hazard set up, as such, Court change can often backfire, while Rapid Spin can never backfire as it, due to the fairy typing, always lands and clears hazards on it's side.
Further then this, Sylveon can beat Ting Lu, in the case it uses Court change though in front of it, it'll swap spikes to Ting Lus side, and Ting Lus turn will go where it will drop more spikes on Sylveons side, at that point it is impossible to gain from Court Change as both sides have spikes/stealth rock. As such, Sylveon typically uses Rapid Spin to flatly wipe hazards, hope this explained it.
Edit: It also does infact appreciate the Speed boost, which let's it out speed things like low Speed Landerous T or other threats.
@@EvelynIsBased Thank you for the detailed explanation! I never even considered how Pixilate can be used to beat spin blockers!
Of course, thank you for watching :)
Happy pride month Sylveon 🏳️⚧️
Don't understand why Rotom forms can get each others' type's moves when they can't even learn the single move (like Hydro Pump) which the other form learns...
love the video, STABmons always seems like such a cool format to me, but noone is ever on ladder for it :(
P.S.: hope you don't mind me pointing out an error in the chapter titles: it should say how it a*ffects Sylveon for the second chapter
to everyone reading this: have a nice day :)
Thank you I'm glad you enjoyed! I changed the chapter now lol, uploaded this video and did the description at like 2 am last night, didn't realize I made that mistake, have a nice day to you too :)
Boomburst is my guess if it's not banned in the meta
It's actually quite surprising that Boomburst, while good, isn't really notable in the conversation as to what makes Sylveon good since it keeps Sylveons core issue.
Surprisingly no. It's not even on the list of moves that are limited to its original users like Extreme Speed, Shell Smash and Last Respects. They did obviously ban Porygon-Z.
2:20 sounds so stupid i love it
I'm sorry, this is completely irrelevant to the video but I need to say that you sound like an audio book version of the joker
😭 This is the worst comment I've received ever, deleting my channel
@@EvelynIsBased AHAHAHA WAIT NOOOOOOO
Wouldn't this also apply to Jolteon? It would also get perfect ice judgement
It does also apply to Jolteon, core issue there is that many mons can still wall it, and it's lower Special attack isn't always great, it also doesn't really appreciate the rest of the Normal type moves it receives nearly as much, such as not really wanting Rapid Spin, Recover, etc (especially since it doesn't have an electric type version of Pixilate)
But overall it would gain access to most prominently Electro Drift/Shot, and Ice Judgment, if you use it on ladder I'd be curious to know how it performs
@@EvelynIsBased might try it out, id just need to thing of a supporting cast
isn't calm mind a psychic type move? how does sylveon get it in this format?
Calm mind is just in Sylveons standard movepool, as such it can still use it alongside the other moves it receives :)
@@EvelynIsBased ohh ok thank you, I thought it could ONLY use normal/fairy type moves lol
sylveon gets it normally
Yeah I understand the confusion lol no worries
STABmons Sylveon sounds absolutely cracked, complete and utter Sylveon W tbh
i might wanna try this tier out tbh, even if just for sylveon kicking ass
trans rights baybeeee🏳️⚧️
Bro forgot rotom mow
Rotom Mow is a creature of disgust, deserves to be forgotten about (I did forget mb)
Is there any bulky pokemon that knows that move that increases the accuracy of your next move and ohko attacks? It would be funny with some kind of entrapment.
I'd imagine there is some sort of combo usable like this, sadly this is why OHKO moves are banned in almost every Other Metagame