Tom being completely detached of emotion towards shiv is legit what happens to people when they’ve had enough of someone’s bs that they spent years caring for
@@gezenews Shiv did not give Tom the opportunity to ask "who's the father?" She cut him off at the pass by telling him immediately that he is going to be a father. It was to leave him question was she really sleeping around. Her statement of paternity was very quick and decisive as she knew it could not be anyone else.
1:30 you can tell Tom is about to slip into his naturally caring personality and is about to get happy and excited but in that split second his brain remembers all the times he’s felt like this, and shown that side of Shiv only to be destroyed. So this time, he catches himself in the moment, and instead decides to look after himself first.
@@BatmanHQYT I thought his eyes dropped to look at her abdomen because she just told him she was pregnant. He knew it was true. He was intimate with her he knew there were changes in her body, but you don't bring that up...gee honey are you gaining weight? HAHAHA when she said I'm pregnant it all made sense to him. I certainly agree with your assessment that MM is an incredible actor!
The subtle shift on Matthew Macfadyen's face when Shiv drops the pregnancy bomb is so good. I love how Tom's so done with Shiv's crap that he doesn't even believe her.
i think it does hit him, because he did really want tohave a baby with her prison or not, but still he has doubts, or he just doesn’t want to let his guard down anymore. he is also maybe very tired/on coke. that said, it was still pretty awful how he responded. but understandable, goven prior events. it’s just a never ending cycle of trauma and abuse.
@Monica Alexandru he did tell her she was a horrible person and was glad they didnt have a baby the episode before. This is the first show that I've watched where none of the people are worth rooting for but the show is very compelling. Tom never recovered from the wedding night issue.
I think he's just high through the roof XD that sniff kicked hard... But yeah, also he's done with Shiv and that pregnancy bomb... Man's a shithead but he's also constantly stressed 😬
What’s funny is she was going to apologize, and he’s skeptical but listens, and then she immediately pivots into asking for a favor and that’s when he goes ‘uh huh’ and just tears her down
@@jtgd she literally just tried to manipulate tom to doing her a favor..but apologizing then immediately using her dead father an her unborn child as a pawn/ploy..i’m sorry but Yikes what does she expect..especially when he knows she’s playing both sides Annnnndd what she said to dude yesterday etc.. at this point she playing games.. an Tom is TIRED!
I don't think that's what was happening, I suspect Shiv specifically wanted Tom to retract his comment about her being a bad mother before telling him she's pregnant
Sarah Snook’s reaction right before she says “um, okay” and walks off was perfect. You can see the pang of hurt, her impulse to say something and how she changes her mind. Then she starts to say something else with the “um.” Changes her mind again and decides that the best course of action is to leave. So specific and she makes it work seamlessly. This is Snook’s season. She’s getting that Emmy
@@Upsallauniversity123 Yeah, and you're obviously the definition of impartial. If you think the competition is weak this awards season you're clearly not watching many other shows. Either that or you don't know what impressive acting is which wouldn't be all that shocking considering you thought Snook's reaction at the end of the scene was "normal in acting." A clear tell that you've never done any serious acting in your life. Maybe you've been on a school stage once or twice, got cast in a student film? And no one had the heart to crush your incredibly inflated ego by telling you that despite your hubris, you can't make informed choices to save your life. Your characters aren't all that believable, and you can't cross the threshold into making them anything other than two dimensional dullards because you have such a poor sense of the world around you and an even poorer sense of self that you have nothing to draw from. OR, even worse, you've never acted before in your life and you're so arrogant that you think your uninformed opinion is the end all and be all of what great acting is. It's kind of comical to think about because I'm almost 100% certain you're the latter. But I'm open to being surprised. Lastly, Matthew Macfayden is brilliant here. By highlighting one actor I'm not diminishing the other. It's difficult to fathom how small minded someone has to be that they need clarification on that front. But here you are, representing for all of the mind-numbingly dense people in the world. And when angry pea-brained people want to divert their focus from the screaming emptiness inside of them they turn to bigotry and directing their hatred outwards so of course you're a misogynist too. I can expand on that more if you'd like when you come up with a response that's actually worth my time. Thought I'd grant you with this first one what with you begging for attention like a child. Replying four times under my comment lol. Was my response everything you hoped for?
Love how Shiv tried to manipulate Tom and he didn't bite and how he no longer believes anything she says and she broke his heart to the point of no return.
Shiv has a hard time accepting that what she does to Tom has consequences. The funny thing is that shortly after this scene she goes to her brothers and basically tells them to get rid of Tom because he's not trustworthy. Something I'm sure she'll later try to apologize for soon afterwards. It's the same dynamic at play when she realizes that Greg knows about her, rather than offer him a deal, she tries to threaten him, only for him to spill the beans as soon as the opportunity presents itself.
Shiv’s become Kendall in season 3, even parallels the scene where Kendall doesn’t buy Greg a damn $20k watch and then Greg joins Logan the episode after. Greg’s loyalty is important enough in these times. Throwback to season 2, Kendall actually defends Greg on the yacht and Greg then helps Kendall burn Logan with documents.
@@TheSaladin777 That’s an excellent point! Greg is transactional, shallow and manipulative, but he’s loyal to those who help him. This very episode, he tells Shiv something like, “If silence is golden, where’s the gold,” only to have her threaten him instead. In this family, Greg actually makes the right decision more often than even Tom does
Shiv’s thinking that she’s better and smarter than everyone bites her in the ass all the time and she never learns. It’s actually funny at times. She doesn’t see the consequences before she makes decisions. Like threatening Greg rather than offering him a deal for his silence.
I still do not know why Tom does not potentially consider himself as toast at anytime. I actually thought that through Shiv, Waystar Royco was offered the higher price by Matsson. Come what may, I think that Shiv was going to get screwed by the men in her orbit. Can someone help me out? I thought I remember a minor line from Gerri to Shiv about sticking with her husband. It could have been season 1 or 2.
Tom being on coke made this hilarious. He had zero patience for the feelings and was just focused on one thing. He was full killer and the scene when he says to shiv seemed a little unhinged I spit up water
He believes her, but then he goes into defense mode just to be sure he’s not being played again. Shiv’s incredulous reaction confirms she’s really having his baby and he’s too stunned to move. Incredible acting. Shiv brought this on herself.
You know, Shiv definitively told Tom that she was pregnant by him. In order for her to say that with such authority, Tom might realize that Shiv may not have been sleeping around as she lead him to believe. She seems to go ballistic at Tom's purported dating models and he and Greg's "disgusting brothers" act.
Tom knew she was sleeping around. She told him about the actor. The problem is that Shiv is incredibly self-absorbed and selfish. Which is why even though she's the one who proposes an open marriage, she still gets upset at the idea of Greg capitalizing on it. @@annkey4091
@@willtoflowerhe warned her in episode 6 don't play both side honey. She always hides secret from tom. In previous episodes she tells about nate and tom before they came to their house. She could tell him during sexting or via call. She is most selfish charcter on this show 😂😂
I feel like if Shiv lying about being pregnant was actually used as a tactic for something Waystar related or to get them out of a scrape Logan would be well impressed. "Great strategy, Pinkie." Lmao.
Shiv just absolutely cannot truly admit that she’s not right in any given situation. Rhea was right all that time ago, she really does think she’s smarter than she actually is.
Shiv really did deserve this reaction. She wasn't being sincere at all in her apology and she only told Tom that she's pregnant to get him on her side.
@@lisboay8086 it’s not black and white. In this case we’ve been shown multiple times how he really has (had) feelings for her. But ofc it’s not the only reason
@@Federico-Silva i never said he didn’t have feelings for her. they both have them for eachother in their own messed up ways. but he was wilfully blind to her worst traits and there’s no point pretending it’s not cause of her name and the life she offered him. their love is very transactional but they doesn’t make it any less real, they’re just transactional people in general
@@lisboay8086 yeah, don’t get me wrong, I agree with you. Anything in the show is transactional up to some point, never solely relied on feelings and love. I was pointing out how, among all the other self-interested relations, this one is one of the few where someone actually had sincere feelings of love. On the other end, Shiv never really loved Tom; and not talking just about the monogamy thing.
Macfadyen’s ever so subtle change of expression when he finds out is just ridiculously good acting. He was about to ask “it’s mine?” But he stops himself and questions the truth of the statement entirely.
Shiv is so damaged, all her relationships are doomed to be power struggles. As soon as Tom is done with her all of a sudden she's chasing him then when Tom turns towards her she turns away. Just watching is exhausting, she's destined to be miserable and lonely.
It struck me that mostly all of the women in this show are miserable. I see very few smiles from women about anything or anyone --- from Shiv, Lady Caroline to Matsson's Ebba.
@@annkey4091 Shiv smiles a lot but it's more like a grimace or a wooden smile to mask her feelings about stuff most of the time. But yeah Marcia, Ebba, Caroline etc outside of interacting with a few people they really like aren't exactly rays of sunshine.
The other significance of this scene, beyond what it means for Shiv and Tom, is that they finally brought up the fact that Logan's kids did indeed hate him. I feel like the pure, unbridled grief of the last few episodes is sort of a "calm before the storm" - the kids are still reeling from his loss that they haven't yet contended with how they actually felt about him, except maybe Kendall. They've hinted at this before with Kendall's "he made me hate him, and he died", and Roman's childlike reaction to Matsson calling Logan a prick (which is not just true but putting it lightly).
exactly she’s blatantly trying to manipulate him.. trying to apologize then ask for a favor then she brings up her dead dad as a cop out.That doesn’t work so then she brings up the pregnancy like it’s a bargaining chip 🤯😩
Jeeze I forgot that argument was literally last night, he even said to her that she's the kind of person that shouldn't have kids so wtf did she think his reaction would be like lol
After everything Shiv put Tom through I don’t blame him for not believing her about being pregnant. In the last episode they had that huge fight out on the balcony, where she told him “I don’t like you” and “you don’t deserve me.” And she picks that moment to tell him. I’m glad Tom is not falling for Shiv’s crap anymore. He had this look that says “No. We’re not doing this. I’m not playing your stupid games anymore.”
Shiv telling Tom of her pregnancy at this time was a tactic. I am not sure that he believes her. However, I thought that when Shiv told Tom, the opportunity would be strategic. I did not consider this moment as strategic, but Shiv did. Tom is really hitting the pregnant woman below the belt. He let Shiv know that he is carrying a verbal saber ---- he let her have it where she did not anticipate ----- Logan's death and her baby announcement. It was continuation of Tom's beatdown of Shiv from the Tailgate Party. UPDATE to my thoughts: A strategic time for Shiv to tell Tom that she was pregnant would have been during their fight at the election party. She could have told him right after he told her that "she was incapable of love and, perhaps, she should not have children." Right after she told him, she should have returned to her party guests and left Tom on the balcony with something to chew on other than unappetizing sliders. The mark of true Scorpion!
It reminds me of when Tom proposed to Shiv. Logan was in the hospital. He chose the most stressful moment to pop the question. And she posed the most stressful moment to tell him she is pregnant.
@@gezenews yeah i think it was genuine but he also knew shiv was kinda flaky and not super into him, not as much as he was into her. so he saw an opportunity to lock her down and took it. tbf tho there is a scene waaaay later when he asks shiv "is this real? what we have? is real?" i cant place exactly when it happened. i just remember the scene. and shiv said yeah. so kind of her fault to keep going w the BS if she wasnt in love w tom and was gonna cheat anyways. Shiv also chose to tell him she wanted an open marriage...in his damn wedding day. so she also pulled this trick in that moment too. Toxic duo fs.
@@gezenews calm down, i agree agree. i was just comparing that tom did used her, but to a far lesser degree than her and used the stunt of proposing to her when she was at her weakest once. while shiv did it multiple times. Shiv is FAR worst than tom, but we all know tom aint a saint neither. he loves shiv surely, but he is also well aware that he can use her to get to the top.
In my opinion, it seems like after she tells him, he's trying to hold back a smile (which yes could be bc he finds her ridiculous), but also when I first watched it it seemed like he was thrilled, bc obviously he's the one who has wanted a baby with her for so long. But he doesn't want to get too excited and get hurt over it, which is why he wants to see if she's playing him or not.
Shiv's face when it hit her Tom didn't even believe her. There's been so much shit, that he doesn't even believe what she's saying, even with something as important this, and the conversation just crashed down from there. Everyone is just suffering the consequences of their actions, the last two episodes are going to be incredible.
@@gezenews exactly classic shiv trying to manipulate .. he’s up on all her tricks an now what’s worse is he’s Tired! All throughout season 2-3 she was lied an lied an gaslit him.. how many times did she say 1 thing then do another but tom seen thru the plots an caught her most those times he just ain’t let her know half the time she was being sneaking he was on to her an watching.. IF she only knew how many times tom has seen her doing super sketchy sh!t she wouldn’t have tried him like that..she been made shady lately Especially after she called tom “subservient” etc now she wants him to jump to do her bidding like he forgot she called him a b!txh among other things…Bruh certain things you say to a man don’t go away they sunk in his mind an spirit..he won’t constantly bring it up but what he will put up with from a chick gets shorter and shorter. till he explodes.
God I wanted to root for Shiv so bad because I thought she could (should?) be the dark horse - but she continuously is making it harder and harder for me to do so.
I know what you mean. There is this side of me that always thought if Shiv won this corporate sweepstakes, her husband had to be with her. She was never in a position to go it alone. Being thick headed, she never got through to her that the men were not going to let her win.
@@annkey4091 i see that narrative that you are trying to push an all i can do is 😂😂😂😂 Are you serious?! shiv is green(inexperienced AF)& emotional.. do you not see how often she tries to make plays/plans an how often she FUMBLES!! you can’t be serious🤣🤣 just this episode alone she f**ked herself out of position.. an it was totally her own actions that led to it.. She lied to Ken about something so easy to fact check, Also threatens greg not trying to give something to get something..which is a tactic both brothers logan & tom employ. She just not as competent/intelligent as she thinks she is that has always been her weakness she thinks she’s smarter then she is that how Rhea played her like a fiddle.. smh then she got butthurt an tried to get back at her but couldn’t even do it fr..
Shiv put herself in the position where she lacks credibility even with something as serious as being pregnant. Snook’s facial expressions are outstanding in this scene. Hate Shiv, but love Snook.
She intended to manipulate him into giving the call to Jimenez. But Tom doesn't care anymore. She burned every bridge they had. The response is so real "is that even true?". After all the games they played ,he doesn't know anymore what is true and what isn't.
The great thjng about this scene is that we understand WHY Tom would refuse to believe Shiv being pregnant even though it's true. She has been lying to and gaslighting him almost the entire show, using everything as a weapon in her arsenal, just to come out on top and keep Tom down. She really is Logan's daughter.
Ever since the episode with the wake thing at Logan’s home where she falls, she reminds me of someone I used to be friends with. Manipulative and will be proud of being manipulative, but then will act like she’s not when it’s convenient.
The way Matthew reacts with I-i-Is that even true? Cause he doesn't say like "Is it mine?" but you can tell he was about to say it. And he says it without saying it. This whole show had such amazing talent.
It's easy to think Shiv's reaction is of pain and I'm sure some part of it is as I'm sure it'd hurt to tell someone of your pregnancy and they doubt its truth, but in the end, Tom didn't react the way she "planned" so this was essentially a tantrum. This was a move for Election Night.
"I can't do it to that." He was listening yet he wasn't reacting in the way she liked. At first, I thought this apology genuine since circumstances are busy for the both of them and this was how they caught each other until she said that. This indeed was another manipulation that was "supposed to" go in the way she imagined and it didn't. I'm sure Shiv also wanted to tell Tom genuinely about the life they created but she kept that a secret in her pocket until THIS particular extra important circumstance to reveal. Girl, bye. She about to earn that single motherhood.
I must be naive. I thought when she apologized and said and to give you an opportunity to re I thought she meant she was hoping he would respond the same saying he didn't mean some of what he said also......but he just slammed the door shut with the rest of his comments...is he done? Maybe but with those two who knows? They are both out no matter what happens with the GOJo deal. Mattson has promised nothing and she is getting kicked to the curb if he wins and she is certainly out if Kendal or Roman stay in power. I'm still hoping they go to New Zealand and become sheep farmers and teach scuba diving. They should have done that when Tom suggested it in the first season...they might be a lot happier right now if they had. Can't wait to see the last two episodes.
Shiv is perhaps my favorite character on the show, and she's the one i rooted to win. Honestly even though Tom won on paper, I think Shiv got a lot in the end too, including an opportunity to fight and regroup even stronger for another day. she always meant well, but her privilege and spoiled-nature would always get in the way of her success.
I was rooting for Shiv to win also. BUT, I felt that she could not do the job without Tom, who had to handle the heavy lifting. In the end, Tom was the best suited for what Matsson wanted. For that matter, Logan, too, had he lived.
As the show went on, I definitely grew a soft spot for Tom, just due to how horrible and awful Shiv is. I clapped every time she made the wrong call and Logan roasted her ass
Tom offered to go. Shiv begged her Logan to not offer up Tom. His volunteering for prison was part of his strategy, which did not include his wife making it.
@@saturdaysequalsyouth I believe it was during the yacht scene, when his name came up. She appeared to be in with the suggestion, then later, without Tom knowing it asked Logan to not send Tom, which he didn't. Kendall got the nod. After Kendall backed out, on TV, Tom then told Shiv that he would handle it and offered himself (all back in New York).
@@annkey4091 I see. So the question is, why would a woman recommend her new husband for prison, even one time? Also, he approached her about this problem before the yacht scene and she wasn't interested.
@@saturdaysequalsyouth Having just watched Episode 10 of season 2 again, I really don't think that Shiv was seriously offering up Tom on the yacht as a prison candidate.. If you had watched Tom's testimony during the Congressional hearings, Waystar|RoyCo would have been foolish to offer him. Yes, he destroyed documents, but other than that, Tom Wambsgan really could offer nothing. Tom came across as a front and he obviously got his position based on his marriage. In fact, to give Shiv some credit which many people seem very reluctant to do, I think she recognized that shareholders might question the judgment of the company leadership, which Stewy and Sandy meant to disrupt, unseat, etc. Shiv may have offered Tom in jest until she realized that others on the yacht were serious about his vulnerable position. She then went to Logan.
I think all succession characters are horrible😅 but i feel like shiv was using this news to gain some leverage against tom. Why couldnt she tell him when they were all good before? She always has an ulterior motive
Hi. I'm sure folks brighter in technology will give you great answers, but in the past I have taken a video( on my phone) of the scene on television I wanted to capture.
That’s the danger of post truth and pushing lies. Even honest truth can be dismissed by mere suggestions, like it being some attempt to lie to get someone vulnerable
@@Nicebitoftucka like the image of the boss yelling at the father, the father yelling at the mom, mom yelling at the child and the child yelling at the cat.
Shiv defenders and fanboys/fangirls are so effing weird. Like you're literally defending a full blown narcissistic psychopath with erratic behavior. And before you claim Tom isn't any better, actually he is. As disgusting as he can be, he's not a psycho. If someone's reaction to a pregnancy reveal is this, then we need to take a look at who's the abuser in that relationship because it definitely isn't Tom here. It's insane some people even defend this or claim Tom went too far when Shiv is responsible for Tom's current behavior. This is what being in a relationship with a narc does to someone. This is the perfect example of gaslighting and manipulation. The fact that Shiv is still so surprised at this point speaks about her delusions and grossness as a human being.
Lol no one is responsible for anyone's behaviour but the person who carries out the behaviour. I'm actually confused how any character on this show can have fanboys, they are all various shades of dreadful. Shiv is very very bad and Tom is very bad. But she is not responsible for his behaviour just as he is not responsible for hers.
Shiv's behavior is reflective of her upbringing. She had brawl her way through a household of men/boys and had to fight for a place. Tom knows he had a brawler. He saw it in Season 1 when she and Roman went at it while Logan was in the hospital. What Tom finally figured out was how to verbally handle his wife. He told her that she was afraid of failure among other things. He thought that he could change her. Tom knew Shiv better than she knew herself. When you have money, you don't worry about accountability. Anyone in your financial orbit goes with the flow, which is what Tom did until he ran out of mental compartments. This is tradeoff. He looked at the Shiv's purse, first. The purse was so full, he thought that he could take anything that she and her family dished, including access to high-ranking positions in the company.
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Shiv choosing this sick moment to tell Tom she's pregnant, Tom choosing that sick moment to propose to Shiv. This is crAAAAAAAAAzy.
shiv also choosing their wedding night in the middle of a tom meltdown to ask for an open marriage. CRAZY.
they have the best timing ever totally
Tom being completely detached of emotion towards shiv is legit what happens to people when they’ve had enough of someone’s bs that they spent years caring for
Cocaine
Game of thrones writers could learn a thing or two from Succession about how to properly develop personality changes
Also remember he's done a couple bumps.
@@jonnysith as She had
" Im pregnant!"
" is that even true"
Thats worse than "so who's the father?"🤣
Yeah it is
Nah
no It's not. I'm it still is worse but little less worse than SO WHO'S THE FATHER. c'mon
@@gezenews Shiv did not give Tom the opportunity to ask "who's the father?" She cut him off at the pass by telling him immediately that he is going to be a father. It was to leave him question was she really sleeping around. Her statement of paternity was very quick and decisive as she knew it could not be anyone else.
@@annkey4091 You know you got some issues when you announce this news in such way lol.
That reaction from Shiv when Tom says 'is that even true' is astounding.
Sarah Snook has the best facial acting in the entire show.
@@BatmanHQYT YES!
Her facial expressions are perfection
that “what?” that follows that is like a bubble. love that
@@knsnsy PERFECT description.
1:30 you can tell Tom is about to slip into his naturally caring personality and is about to get happy and excited but in that split second his brain remembers all the times he’s felt like this, and shown that side of Shiv only to be destroyed. So this time, he catches himself in the moment, and instead decides to look after himself first.
That tiny look at the floor and the nod signaled this perfectly. Macfadyen is incredible.
@@BatmanHQYT I thought his eyes dropped to look at her abdomen because she just told him she was pregnant. He knew it was true. He was intimate with her he knew there were changes in her body, but you don't bring that up...gee honey are you gaining weight? HAHAHA when she said I'm pregnant it all made sense to him. I certainly agree with your assessment that MM is an incredible actor!
@@emjay5983 ooh, good catch!
yall give him way too much credit
The subtle shift on Matthew Macfadyen's face when Shiv drops the pregnancy bomb is so good. I love how Tom's so done with Shiv's crap that he doesn't even believe her.
i think it does hit him, because he did really want tohave a baby with her prison or not, but still he has doubts, or he just doesn’t want to let his guard down anymore. he is also maybe very tired/on coke. that said, it was still pretty awful how he responded. but understandable, goven prior events. it’s just a never ending cycle of trauma and abuse.
@Monica Alexandru he did tell her she was a horrible person and was glad they didnt have a baby the episode before. This is the first show that I've watched where none of the people are worth rooting for but the show is very compelling. Tom never recovered from the wedding night issue.
@@ronaldjackson2290 Yeah, because how Shiv treated him up to that point unprovoked by Tom was justified.
Such a great depiction of what happens when you're completely done with a narcissists shit.
@@AngSco30I agree. I mean look at his face. He is literally saying “No. We’re not doing this. You’re full of s*** and I don’t believe a word you say”.
Matthew MacFadyen’s performance here was outstanding. He’s so numb inside towards her now
I think he's just high through the roof XD that sniff kicked hard... But yeah, also he's done with Shiv and that pregnancy bomb... Man's a shithead but he's also constantly stressed 😬
Did anyone notice when Shiv says “what?” Sarah’s emotion is so raw and real it sounds like she slips back into her real aussie accent for a second.
Oh yeah! Didn't catch that
wot
What’s funny is she was going to apologize, and he’s skeptical but listens, and then she immediately pivots into asking for a favor and that’s when he goes ‘uh huh’ and just tears her down
apologize and "give the opporunity to..." she doesn't finish the sentence but sounds like she was going to say retract.
@@ElLuigiGrande she wants an apology as well. Then the “you sorta killed home” was out of line
@@jtgd she literally just tried to manipulate tom to doing her a favor..but apologizing then immediately using her dead father an her unborn child as a pawn/ploy..i’m sorry but Yikes what does she expect..especially when he knows she’s playing both sides Annnnndd what she said to dude yesterday etc.. at this point she playing games.. an Tom is TIRED!
She was only apologizing just so he doesn't snitch on her for being in bed with matsson. Shiv would never apologize otherwise
I don't think that's what was happening, I suspect Shiv specifically wanted Tom to retract his comment about her being a bad mother before telling him she's pregnant
Sarah Snook’s reaction right before she says “um, okay” and walks off was perfect. You can see the pang of hurt, her impulse to say something and how she changes her mind. Then she starts to say something else with the “um.” Changes her mind again and decides that the best course of action is to leave. So specific and she makes it work seamlessly. This is Snook’s season. She’s getting that Emmy
What about Matthew's reaction after shiv left ?? U are completely biased towards snook
She is getting emmy because there is no competition within show with her and this year lead category is weak 😂😂
These things are normal in acting bro
@@Upsallauniversity123 Yeah, and you're obviously the definition of impartial. If you think the competition is weak this awards season you're clearly not watching many other shows. Either that or you don't know what impressive acting is which wouldn't be all that shocking considering you thought Snook's reaction at the end of the scene was "normal in acting." A clear tell that you've never done any serious acting in your life. Maybe you've been on a school stage once or twice, got cast in a student film? And no one had the heart to crush your incredibly inflated ego by telling you that despite your hubris, you can't make informed choices to save your life. Your characters aren't all that believable, and you can't cross the threshold into making them anything other than two dimensional dullards because you have such a poor sense of the world around you and an even poorer sense of self that you have nothing to draw from. OR, even worse, you've never acted before in your life and you're so arrogant that you think your uninformed opinion is the end all and be all of what great acting is. It's kind of comical to think about because I'm almost 100% certain you're the latter. But I'm open to being surprised.
Lastly, Matthew Macfayden is brilliant here. By highlighting one actor I'm not diminishing the other. It's difficult to fathom how small minded someone has to be that they need clarification on that front. But here you are, representing for all of the mind-numbingly dense people in the world. And when angry pea-brained people want to divert their focus from the screaming emptiness inside of them they turn to bigotry and directing their hatred outwards so of course you're a misogynist too. I can expand on that more if you'd like when you come up with a response that's actually worth my time. Thought I'd grant you with this first one what with you begging for attention like a child. Replying four times under my comment lol. Was my response everything you hoped for?
@@Upsallauniversity123bros mad
Love how Shiv tried to manipulate Tom and he didn't bite and how he no longer believes anything she says and she broke his heart to the point of no return.
Shiv has a hard time accepting that what she does to Tom has consequences. The funny thing is that shortly after this scene she goes to her brothers and basically tells them to get rid of Tom because he's not trustworthy. Something I'm sure she'll later try to apologize for soon afterwards. It's the same dynamic at play when she realizes that Greg knows about her, rather than offer him a deal, she tries to threaten him, only for him to spill the beans as soon as the opportunity presents itself.
Shiv’s become Kendall in season 3, even parallels the scene where Kendall doesn’t buy Greg a damn $20k watch and then Greg joins Logan the episode after. Greg’s loyalty is important enough in these times.
Throwback to season 2, Kendall actually defends Greg on the yacht and Greg then helps Kendall burn Logan with documents.
@@TheSaladin777which is funny cause Ken is season 3 was shiv from season 1, trying to take down logan
@@TheSaladin777 That’s an excellent point! Greg is transactional, shallow and manipulative, but he’s loyal to those who help him. This very episode, he tells Shiv something like, “If silence is golden, where’s the gold,” only to have her threaten him instead. In this family, Greg actually makes the right decision more often than even Tom does
Shiv’s thinking that she’s better and smarter than everyone bites her in the ass all the time and she never learns. It’s actually funny at times. She doesn’t see the consequences before she makes decisions. Like threatening Greg rather than offering him a deal for his silence.
I still do not know why Tom does not potentially consider himself as toast at anytime. I actually thought that through Shiv, Waystar Royco was offered the higher price by Matsson. Come what may, I think that Shiv was going to get screwed by the men in her orbit.
Can someone help me out? I thought I remember a minor line from Gerri to Shiv about sticking with her husband. It could have been season 1 or 2.
Tom being on coke made this hilarious. He had zero patience for the feelings and was just focused on one thing. He was full killer and the scene when he says to shiv seemed a little unhinged I spit up water
More like meth from breaking bad.
@@hilaryunachukwu9736 it's park coke
He believes her, but then he goes into defense mode just to be sure he’s not being played again. Shiv’s incredulous reaction confirms she’s really having his baby and he’s too stunned to move. Incredible acting. Shiv brought this on herself.
You know, Shiv definitively told Tom that she was pregnant by him. In order for her to say that with such authority, Tom might realize that Shiv may not have been sleeping around as she lead him to believe. She seems to go ballistic at Tom's purported dating models and he and Greg's "disgusting brothers" act.
Tom knew she was sleeping around. She told him about the actor. The problem is that Shiv is incredibly self-absorbed and selfish. Which is why even though she's the one who proposes an open marriage, she still gets upset at the idea of Greg capitalizing on it. @@annkey4091
The Tom and Shiv scenes this season are so gripping to watch. Sarah and Matthew better win their Emmys!!
This is the episode where all of Shiv's cold headgames with everyone comes crashing down.
Agreed … Culkin and McFadyen both said ep. 8 would be Roman-heavy, but seems like Shiv’s the one whose chickens came home to roost in this ep
Tom is dead inside.
bro’s listening to three days grace on loop
He hasn’t slept in days.
“Pain without love, Pain can’t get enough”
He’s on cocaine in the scene
If he's dead inside, it's because Shiv killed him.
Shiv's reaction to "Is that even true" is great, like she wouldn't do it.
I mean given her track record he has every right and reason to believe she could be lying about the pregnancy
@@willtoflowerhe warned her in episode 6 don't play both side honey. She always hides secret from tom. In previous episodes she tells about nate and tom before they came to their house. She could tell him during sexting or via call. She is most selfish charcter on this show 😂😂
@@willtofloweroh my god !!! I thought you hated tom 😂😂
@@willtoflower why??
@@willtoflower I enjoy matthew ans Sarah's acting that's why I love tom and shiv eventhough their relationship is toxic
I feel like if Shiv lying about being pregnant was actually used as a tactic for something Waystar related or to get them out of a scrape Logan would be well impressed.
"Great strategy, Pinkie." Lmao.
Shiv just absolutely cannot truly
admit that she’s not right in any given situation. Rhea was right all that time ago, she really does think she’s smarter than she actually is.
Shiv really did deserve this reaction. She wasn't being sincere at all in her apology and she only told Tom that she's pregnant to get him on her side.
And in a moment where Tom was extremely busy.
@@RuinedStillWetMascara yep it was all for her. She never thinks about Tom.
Shiv was trying to manipulate tom but she completely forgot that this isn't season 1 tom 😂😂
Coke "sort of" gave him the guts to say She killed her father. 😂
He is now Mr CEO Tom
Or even worse, Season 2 Tom, when he becomes everyone's punching bag.
Tom doesn't love Shiv anymore, he learn what kind of person she really is.
:,(
he always knew what sort of person she was. he chose to ignore it because marrying her brings him power. they’re both awful self interested people
@@lisboay8086 it’s not black and white. In this case we’ve been shown multiple times how he really has (had) feelings for her. But ofc it’s not the only reason
@@Federico-Silva i never said he didn’t have feelings for her. they both have them for eachother in their own messed up ways. but he was wilfully blind to her worst traits and there’s no point pretending it’s not cause of her name and the life she offered him. their love is very transactional but they doesn’t make it any less real, they’re just transactional people in general
@@lisboay8086 yeah, don’t get me wrong, I agree with you. Anything in the show is transactional up to some point, never solely relied on feelings and love. I was pointing out how, among all the other self-interested relations, this one is one of the few where someone actually had sincere feelings of love. On the other end, Shiv never really loved Tom; and not talking just about the monogamy thing.
1:31 I like how you can see him "loading up" his insult.
Macfadyen’s ever so subtle change of expression when he finds out is just ridiculously good acting.
He was about to ask “it’s mine?” But he stops himself and questions the truth of the statement entirely.
He played that moment so well. It sounded cold hearted but true. She plays games. He has no way of knowing.
1:39 the moment when her face goest like this… I swear
Shiv is so damaged, all her relationships are doomed to be power struggles. As soon as Tom is done with her all of a sudden she's chasing him then when Tom turns towards her she turns away. Just watching is exhausting, she's destined to be miserable and lonely.
her mum said as much at her wedding. She almost can’t help it.
It struck me that mostly all of the women in this show are miserable. I see very few smiles from women about anything or anyone --- from Shiv, Lady Caroline to Matsson's Ebba.
@@annkey4091
Shiv smiles a lot but it's more like a grimace or a wooden smile to mask her feelings about stuff most of the time. But yeah Marcia, Ebba, Caroline etc outside of interacting with a few people they really like aren't exactly rays of sunshine.
Sarah Snook immediately drawing out a emotional raw "what," to a cold nature is going to get her that Emmy.
fucking THANK YOU god i've been looking for any acknowledgement of how utterly stellarly that was delivered
He just blew two lines in the conference room
The other significance of this scene, beyond what it means for Shiv and Tom, is that they finally brought up the fact that Logan's kids did indeed hate him. I feel like the pure, unbridled grief of the last few episodes is sort of a "calm before the storm" - the kids are still reeling from his loss that they haven't yet contended with how they actually felt about him, except maybe Kendall. They've hinted at this before with Kendall's "he made me hate him, and he died", and Roman's childlike reaction to Matsson calling Logan a prick (which is not just true but putting it lightly).
There's not going to be enough Emmy's to give out for this season of Succession. Top to bottom, take them all.
They deserve every award they are going to get for this season.
1:39 was the moment Shiv realized how horrible she is. I was waiting for that moment the entire season.
Shiv is becoming like Season 1 Kendall, full of failures, missteps and pathetic excuses.
perfect show. perfect dialogues. perfect writing. perfect acting. every behavior is so real i just can’t handle it.
She literally said " i don't like you and you doesn't deserve me " last night 😂. Why should he believes her ??
exactly she’s blatantly trying to manipulate him.. trying to apologize then ask for a favor then she brings up her dead dad as a cop out.That doesn’t work so then she brings up the pregnancy like it’s a bargaining chip 🤯😩
Jeeze I forgot that argument was literally last night, he even said to her that she's the kind of person that shouldn't have kids so wtf did she think his reaction would be like lol
We need a movie that checks in on all these characters and where they are at down the road.
After everything Shiv put Tom through I don’t blame him for not believing her about being pregnant. In the last episode they had that huge fight out on the balcony, where she told him “I don’t like you” and “you don’t deserve me.” And she picks that moment to tell him. I’m glad Tom is not falling for Shiv’s crap anymore. He had this look that says “No. We’re not doing this. I’m not playing your stupid games anymore.”
Shiv telling Tom of her pregnancy at this time was a tactic. I am not sure that he believes her. However, I thought that when Shiv told Tom, the opportunity would be strategic. I did not consider this moment as strategic, but Shiv did. Tom is really hitting the pregnant woman below the belt. He let Shiv know that he is carrying a verbal saber ---- he let her have it where she did not anticipate ----- Logan's death and her baby announcement. It was continuation of Tom's beatdown of Shiv from the Tailgate Party.
UPDATE to my thoughts: A strategic time for Shiv to tell Tom that she was pregnant would have been during their fight at the election party. She could have told him right after he told her that "she was incapable of love and, perhaps, she should not have children." Right after she told him, she should have returned to her party guests and left Tom on the balcony with something to chew on other than unappetizing sliders. The mark of true Scorpion!
She was doing that all episode. Making up excuses for everything. And telling everyone shes doing everything for the right cause.
It reminds me of when Tom proposed to Shiv. Logan was in the hospital. He chose the most stressful moment to pop the question. And she posed the most stressful moment to tell him she is pregnant.
@@gezenews it’s a little of both, Tom wants the family connection but he also loved shiv. I’d say 70/30 love/tactic with the proposal
@@gezenews yeah i think it was genuine but he also knew shiv was kinda flaky and not super into him, not as much as he was into her. so he saw an opportunity to lock her down and took it. tbf tho there is a scene waaaay later when he asks shiv "is this real? what we have? is real?" i cant place exactly when it happened. i just remember the scene. and shiv said yeah. so kind of her fault to keep going w the BS if she wasnt in love w tom and was gonna cheat anyways. Shiv also chose to tell him she wanted an open marriage...in his damn wedding day. so she also pulled this trick in that moment too. Toxic duo fs.
@@gezenews calm down, i agree agree. i was just comparing that tom did used her, but to a far lesser degree than her and used the stunt of proposing to her when she was at her weakest once. while shiv did it multiple times. Shiv is FAR worst than tom, but we all know tom aint a saint neither. he loves shiv surely, but he is also well aware that he can use her to get to the top.
In my opinion, it seems like after she tells him, he's trying to hold back a smile (which yes could be bc he finds her ridiculous), but also when I first watched it it seemed like he was thrilled, bc obviously he's the one who has wanted a baby with her for so long. But he doesn't want to get too excited and get hurt over it, which is why he wants to see if she's playing him or not.
The actor is phenomenal. He did great with those subtle changes.
@@belleslettres354And that’s why he took home an Emmy. 😌
This scene alone is worth an Emmy for both of them
Shiv's face when it hit her Tom didn't even believe her. There's been so much shit, that he doesn't even believe what she's saying, even with something as important this, and the conversation just crashed down from there. Everyone is just suffering the consequences of their actions, the last two episodes are going to be incredible.
"...or is that like a new position or a tactic?"
It totally is.
Tom just wanted to do his job and he is at his office. If you really want to talk about apology talk at home or at free time
@@gezenews absolutely 💯
@@gezenews exactly classic shiv trying to manipulate .. he’s up on all her tricks an now what’s worse is he’s Tired! All throughout season 2-3 she was lied an lied an gaslit him.. how many times did she say 1 thing then do another but tom seen thru the plots an caught her most those times he just ain’t let her know half the time she was being sneaking he was on to her an watching.. IF she only knew how many times tom has seen her doing super sketchy sh!t she wouldn’t have tried him like that..she been made shady lately
Especially after she called tom “subservient” etc now she wants him to jump to do her bidding like he forgot she called him a b!txh among other things…Bruh certain things you say to a man don’t go away they sunk in his mind an spirit..he won’t constantly bring it up but what he will put up with from a chick gets shorter and shorter. till he explodes.
Their acting is so incredible ❤
Tom even looks at Shiv's belly before answering anything, amazing!
What does that mean
God I wanted to root for Shiv so bad because I thought she could (should?) be the dark horse - but she continuously is making it harder and harder for me to do so.
I know what you mean. There is this side of me that always thought if Shiv won this corporate sweepstakes, her husband had to be with her. She was never in a position to go it alone. Being thick headed, she never got through to her that the men were not going to let her win.
@@annkey4091 i see that narrative that you are trying to push an all i can do is 😂😂😂😂
Are you serious?! shiv is green(inexperienced AF)& emotional.. do you not see how often she tries to make plays/plans an how often she FUMBLES!! you can’t be serious🤣🤣 just this episode alone she f**ked herself out of position.. an it was totally her own actions that led to it.. She lied to Ken about something so easy to fact check, Also threatens greg not trying to give something to get something..which is a tactic both brothers logan & tom employ.
She just not as competent/intelligent as she thinks she is that has always been her weakness she thinks she’s smarter then she is that how Rhea played her like a fiddle.. smh then she got butthurt an tried to get back at her but couldn’t even do it fr..
Simp
Shiv put herself in the position where she lacks credibility even with something as serious as being pregnant. Snook’s facial expressions are outstanding in this scene. Hate Shiv, but love Snook.
1:23 Tom's eyes going down
Shiv thinks she's hurt by Tom but what she's hurt by is his accurate reflection back to her of the kind of person she is
She intended to manipulate him into giving the call to Jimenez. But Tom doesn't care anymore. She burned every bridge they had. The response is so real "is that even true?". After all the games they played ,he doesn't know anymore what is true and what isn't.
Tom: Is that even true?
Shiv : *w* *o* *t*
You also sorta killed him!!
"There'ssszzzzszzzszzz never a right time to say"
Id feel bad for Shiv if she hadn’t shivved Tom in the back so many times
Season 4 is cold 🥶. Excellent final season so far. 2 episodes remain, have no effing clue what’ll happen next.
Her face after "Is that even true?" OMG
She's a manipulator, a liar and a backstabber but I still feel bad for her
SARAH SNOOK IS COMING 4 THAT MF EMMY
I mean, Can you blame Tom at this point for not having full faith in Shiv’s words?
You know Shiv is pretty awful when Tom is the more sympathetic person in the relationship
Top tier acting
The great thjng about this scene is that we understand WHY Tom would refuse to believe Shiv being pregnant even though it's true.
She has been lying to and gaslighting him almost the entire show, using everything as a weapon in her arsenal, just to come out on top and keep Tom down.
She really is Logan's daughter.
Ever since the episode with the wake thing at Logan’s home where she falls, she reminds me of someone I used to be friends with. Manipulative and will be proud of being manipulative, but then will act like she’s not when it’s convenient.
God it's so satisfying I feel like Cartman drinking Scott Tenorman's tears 😂😂
Something interesting about this scene is that Shiv tells Tom he killed Logan before and now he says it to her she reacts way worse
First time Shiv tries begging for love and no one is listening anymore
She is trying to manipulate tom so that she could get all sort of information from tom
@@Upsallauniversity123 exactly bro is tired of the b s
does anyone know the name of the song that starts at 1:50 ? i cant find it on the season 4 soundtrack??
The way Matthew reacts with I-i-Is that even true? Cause he doesn't say like "Is it mine?" but you can tell he was about to say it. And he says it without saying it. This whole show had such amazing talent.
It's easy to think Shiv's reaction is of pain and I'm sure some part of it is as I'm sure it'd hurt to tell someone of your pregnancy and they doubt its truth, but in the end, Tom didn't react the way she "planned" so this was essentially a tantrum. This was a move for Election Night.
"I can't do it to that." He was listening yet he wasn't reacting in the way she liked. At first, I thought this apology genuine since circumstances are busy for the both of them and this was how they caught each other until she said that. This indeed was another manipulation that was "supposed to" go in the way she imagined and it didn't. I'm sure Shiv also wanted to tell Tom genuinely about the life they created but she kept that a secret in her pocket until THIS particular extra important circumstance to reveal. Girl, bye. She about to earn that single motherhood.
The child will be born with hooves.
She only told him at that very moment to manipulate him like she did their entire relationship. Truly scum.
exactly.. it was so obviously a ploy like wtf!
Ah Shiv. Shivy Shivy Sheevyyyy
Oh wow I love this scene, and I'm sure everyone in the comments is totally normal about Shiv :)
Tom just gives up on Shiv. Since he will definitely get fired, why not try to gain as much reputation from the Republicans as possible.
Ooof on all accounts. I have never wanted two people to not be together this much
tom went from big simping in season 1 to savage dawg. as hearltess as this was first time i had respect for him
She needs to bury him. Now!
Dna test requires 😂😂
She's the one who's going to get buried.
This show is about asociopaths and psychos.
You know shit just got real, whenever someone called Shiv with her real name, Siobhan
It made me a little nervous when Tom called her Siobhan the first time I watched the series.
I must be naive. I thought when she apologized and said and to give you an opportunity to re I thought she meant she was hoping he would respond the same saying he didn't mean some of what he said also......but he just slammed the door shut with the rest of his comments...is he done? Maybe but with those two who knows? They are both out no matter what happens with the GOJo deal. Mattson has promised nothing and she is getting kicked to the curb if he wins and she is certainly out if Kendal or Roman stay in power. I'm still hoping they go to New Zealand and become sheep farmers and teach scuba diving. They should have done that when Tom suggested it in the first season...they might be a lot happier right now if they had. Can't wait to see the last two episodes.
There wouldn't be anymore tom and shiv interactions after this episodes
Shiv is perhaps my favorite character on the show, and she's the one i rooted to win. Honestly even though Tom won on paper, I think Shiv got a lot in the end too, including an opportunity to fight and regroup even stronger for another day. she always meant well, but her privilege and spoiled-nature would always get in the way of her success.
I was rooting for Shiv to win also. BUT, I felt that she could not do the job without Tom, who had to handle the heavy lifting. In the end, Tom was the best suited for what Matsson wanted. For that matter, Logan, too, had he lived.
Tom realizing he fucked up lol
He isn't there to listen his personal life problem
Yea I can’t believe playing all sides had consequences when life reveals the truth!1!1
-shiv this episode lol
Her fans too.
As the show went on, I definitely grew a soft spot for Tom, just due to how horrible and awful Shiv is. I clapped every time she made the wrong call and Logan roasted her ass
When the woman who volunteered you for federal prison is your baby momma 😂
Tom offered to go. Shiv begged her Logan to not offer up Tom. His volunteering for prison was part of his strategy, which did not include his wife making it.
@@annkey4091 Was all that before or after the Yacht scene when Shiv suggested Tom can take the fall for cruises?
@@saturdaysequalsyouth I believe it was during the yacht scene, when his name came up. She appeared to be in with the suggestion, then later, without Tom knowing it asked Logan to not send Tom, which he didn't. Kendall got the nod.
After Kendall backed out, on TV, Tom then told Shiv that he would handle it and offered himself (all back in New York).
@@annkey4091 I see. So the question is, why would a woman recommend her new husband for prison, even one time? Also, he approached her about this problem before the yacht scene and she wasn't interested.
@@saturdaysequalsyouth Having just watched Episode 10 of season 2 again, I really don't think that Shiv was seriously offering up Tom on the yacht as a prison candidate.. If you had watched Tom's testimony during the Congressional hearings, Waystar|RoyCo would have been foolish to offer him. Yes, he destroyed documents, but other than that, Tom Wambsgan really could offer nothing. Tom came across as a front and he obviously got his position based on his marriage.
In fact, to give Shiv some credit which many people seem very reluctant to do, I think she recognized that shareholders might question the judgment of the company leadership, which Stewy and Sandy meant to disrupt, unseat, etc. Shiv may have offered Tom in jest until she realized that others on the yacht were serious about his vulnerable position. She then went to Logan.
Shiv: I hope you're still committed, cuz I'm pregnant. (Shakes her head at camera)
😂😂😂😂😂😂 the office moment
@@jimin-ssibangtansmind7230 my favorite Kelly moment 😆
I think all succession characters are horrible😅 but i feel like shiv was using this news to gain some leverage against tom. Why couldnt she tell him when they were all good before? She always has an ulterior motive
Emmy for MATTHEW BRUH!!!!!
Hey how do you screen record these things?
Hi. I'm sure folks brighter in technology will give you great answers, but in the past I have taken a video( on my phone) of the scene on television I wanted to capture.
she didn't want any sympathy from him literally just a few days ago at the gathering. and now she wants it. mmhmm...
Shiv realising for a sec there that she finally broke the only guy who walk barefoot across a field of broken glass for her.
I love how Tom doesn’t even care about her or her feelings anymore.
That’s the danger of post truth and pushing lies. Even honest truth can be dismissed by mere suggestions, like it being some attempt to lie to get someone vulnerable
tom going to hell lmfao 😭😭
people forget how horrible she really is just because she's pretty. Tom isn't an angel but he isn't as awful as Shiv
No, he just takes it out on Greg 😅
@@Nicebitoftucka like the image of the boss yelling at the father, the father yelling at the mom, mom yelling at the child and the child yelling at the cat.
@@Nicebitoftucka I'm not saying tom deserves better just that she is a horrible person and is weird how people are on her side
@@jessbelen probably cause as you pointed out, she's a woman. No one on the show is a great person but I like Roman the best
He is awful af. Just not to her.
Weirdly this is the only scene where he didn't seem that coked up.
Shiv defenders and fanboys/fangirls are so effing weird. Like you're literally defending a full blown narcissistic psychopath with erratic behavior. And before you claim Tom isn't any better, actually he is. As disgusting as he can be, he's not a psycho. If someone's reaction to a pregnancy reveal is this, then we need to take a look at who's the abuser in that relationship because it definitely isn't Tom here. It's insane some people even defend this or claim Tom went too far when Shiv is responsible for Tom's current behavior. This is what being in a relationship with a narc does to someone. This is the perfect example of gaslighting and manipulation. The fact that Shiv is still so surprised at this point speaks about her delusions and grossness as a human being.
Lol no one is responsible for anyone's behaviour but the person who carries out the behaviour. I'm actually confused how any character on this show can have fanboys, they are all various shades of dreadful.
Shiv is very very bad and Tom is very bad. But she is not responsible for his behaviour just as he is not responsible for hers.
She's not a "psychopath" lol, a sociopath at best
Shiv's behavior is reflective of her upbringing. She had brawl her way through a household of men/boys and had to fight for a place. Tom knows he had a brawler. He saw it in Season 1 when she and Roman went at it while Logan was in the hospital. What Tom finally figured out was how to verbally handle his wife. He told her that she was afraid of failure among other things. He thought that he could change her.
Tom knew Shiv better than she knew herself. When you have money, you don't worry about accountability. Anyone in your financial orbit goes with the flow, which is what Tom did until he ran out of mental compartments. This is tradeoff. He looked at the Shiv's purse, first. The purse was so full, he thought that he could take anything that she and her family dished, including access to high-ranking positions in the company.