Tatanka vs Voyager - Lock Strength Test
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Spyderco has unveiled their new folder, the Tatanka. Featuring a new "Power Lock" that is quoted as "hands down the strongest locking mechanism" that they have ever produced...
The Tatanka is lauded by Spyderco fans as a rival to the Tri-Ad lock, and as a knife that will "easily take on the Cold Steel Voyager XLs"
Lynn C Thompson and the Cold Steel R&D team thought it would be a fun challenge to put Spyderco's $319.95 Tatanka against Cold Steel's $94.99 2014 XL Voyager.
The XL Voyager is less than a third of the price, and approx 21% lighter than the Spyderco knife.
So, how will it fare against the new Tatanka?
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*LOVE* my Voyager XL! I have MANY knives but it will always be one of my favorites due to it's beastly size, grip, and excellent value. Great EDC blade which I can carry in hippie "Gun Free Zones" as it's 5.5 inch blade is the max one can carry in Texas (We need to do away with that limit as well especially for CHL holders). *ONE REQUEST* though Cold Steel: I want *COLOR OPTIONS* for the grips! Imagine a Voyager with a clear red/blue/etc or glow in the dark grips! Take my $$$! That's why I have so many Spyderco's, the color options kick ass.
I would love me a Voyager in FDE handle scales *
I write this, before watching the video:
Good Night, Tatanka.
EDIT after watching: Knew it.
Exactly what I was thinking, was not even slightly scared
Well they wouldn't post it if they broke their knife.
*****
Have you watched? They broke it at 451 lbs.
He means they would not have posted it if the spyderco won...... CS is far to egotistical to do something like that
trey olson Well, they can be, when their 50 Dollar knife beats one for 170.
You guys should make more videos. I'd love to see some videos where you simply talk about the philosophy behind some of your knife designs and what your thoughts are on particular models.
COLD STEEL & ADREW DEMKO "ROCKS!!!"
This is why I love my Cold Steel, Andrew Demko, Tri-Ad Lock Folders over all others, period. Cold Steel believes in their Tri-Ad Folders and isn't afraid to show how tough they are. All the "Haters" can say what ever they want... But, Cold Steel is definitely the "Best Bang" for your, hard earned, buck folding knife on the Market, today. And, they're also, the "Strongest & Safest Folders" at any price, bar none.
The only folders stronger than Cold Steel's Tri-Ad Lock Folders, ounce for ounce, are Andrew Demko's, own, custom made Tri-Ad Lock Folders.
Notice, in this Video, the Voyager blade broke, not the lock... And, they use the same knife, instead of a new one... Perhaps, this also shows how strong Japanese AUS 8A is, too... These are the closest to fixed blade folding knives that you can get and use to save your life, when your life depends on it... Awesome demonstration; I hope everyone watches...
LONG LIVE THE "ANDREW DEMKO" TRI-AD LOCK!!!
Peace, Stiletto :)
very impressive. great knives
giancarlo bianchini Was that an awesome show down? Very cool. This makes me love my XL Voyagers even more... I have all of the XL's and Large Versions of them in Plain Edge; the American Tantos are my favorite and the one's I like to SD/U/EDC. They are an awesome bargain.
The Spyderco cost about $180-$200 Dollars for their "Street" price. You can get a XL Voyager on eBay for about $35-$55 Dollars... What a value they are. It's impossible to beat them when it comes to strength and value, in my opinion...
I agree, awesome Video... Peace, Bro :)
i agree 100%. me too have the voyagers xl , clip point and tanto point. extreme strong knives , bro. have also the counter point xl...another knife with a scary blade. cold steel forged the best steel , and the price is alwais affordable.
giancarlo bianchini Absolutely! I think the Counter Point XL is even stronger than the XL Voyagers. That one is built like a true "Combat" Blade. I love the way it's made. It's definitely an over built "Tank" that's "Combat Ready." But, if you're on a budget, you won't find a more capable folder than a Cold Steel Voyager, for sure... This Video proves it... Right on, Bro! :)
Great proof!
They came after you guys by comparing locks so IMHO bravo guys good review.
never stop doing what you're doing. you produce some of the best knives on the market! i own dozens of your products. i may not be a fan of some of the finishes on your blades or the (still fair) pricing of some models, but i love the models i have and amongst the 3 or 4 blades i carry on my person, at least around my neck is a cs, if not in my pocket too.
The Tatanka is immensely strong. There aren't many knives that hang with Cold Steel's Tri-Ad lock (pardon the pun). The weakness in the overstrike test was the blade, Spyderco do seem to leave their blades pretty hard and I'm given to understand VG-10 isn't as tough as some steels. Lock failure at over 300 pounds is not bad either.
However blade failure over 400 pounds, with the lock still functioning normally testifies to how tough and strong the big Voyagers are, especially at a fraction of the Tatanka's price. The BD1 models might be stronger still.
Think you for running the experiments Andrew.
Outstanding! Great job Andrew with the Triad lock! I just ordered an XL CTS BD1 Tanto Voyager off Amazon for $67 can't wait for this beast!
Really impressive. Every time I'm shopping around for new knives I keep coming back to Cold Steel. I've been eyeing up a Benchmade Emissary lately, but after seeing this video, I'm getting one of the new CTS model Voyagers. I have 2 previous models already and love em both. It's no wonder I own more Cold Steel than any others. Keep up the great work!
If u have 2 Voyager then try a Recon 1 I have all the Voyager 4" and 5" except drop point (out if stock atm) but a recon is a light slim beast.
now have the 4" and 5.5 drop point lol
Interesting video, however I feel it's important to note that the blade broke but the lock never failed, VG-10 being a much harder steel than AUS-8, it is more brittle and likely to break and chip so, this test video didn't really show which lock design was stronger, just which steel was more fragile, in order to do an accurate test of just the locks, I'd recommend putting "blade dummies" in both knives of the same material, and then whichever fails under more weight, is the inferior design. Nevertheless this was entertaining.
+CutleryNovice Did you not see the Spyderco lock getting sloppy and loose? Which video were you watching?
CutleryNovice The lock on the Spyderco was totally jacked up before the blade broke, and it was a brand new knife going into the weight hang, whereas the CS was the same knife used in the impact tests. Tatanka = over priced POS.
Did you not watch this video? "this test video didn't really show which lock design was stronger" Were you sleeping through the entire video? There was no comparison. It wasn't even close. The CS lock was FAR SUPERIOR in every way to the Spyderco...
Whenever I'm sad, I come and watch this vid.
It never fails to make my day :D
just another reason for me to love cold steel. Keep it up guys
Thanks, for the tests.
Hi there, my xl voyager has developed considerable vertical blade play,can i fix it or does it need to be returned, emailed ba blades a while back but no reply any suggestions
Congrats to Cold Steel , i am happy and i am looking forward to see new videos , keep up the good work
Im really glad someone did this test, and really glad is was cold steel!!! when i first learned of the mechanics of the power lock, i figured its weakness was having more moving parts. Could yall do a take down vid showing and explaining where it failed at? Thatd be really neat! im very excited for the upcoming year with the better steels!! Very much looking forward to the 4 max! when will you guys have videos out on the new models???
great test video mate :)
I want a new Espada. Will you guys be doing any comparisons of your old steel and new carpenter steel. It should help me to choose Which blade I should get. wait for the new steel and pay a premium or get one ASAP for around $170.00? I've heard the new steel isn't as strong as the (aus8) one in this vid.
Andrew, keep those tests coming! I think I'll swing by Cold Steel's retail store tomorrow during lunch :)
Tri-ad lock is absolutely strong and if not the strongest. But I don't think the blade steel is as good. A knife with a strong lock but a dull or broken blade is just as inefficient. However, for EDC purposes, Cold Steel is without a doubt my go to choice.
***** how dose this new steel do as far as rusting? I'm having issues with my old Espada showing small rust spots from being in my pocket all day in a really humid warehouse. Still works great I just wish it was S30V.
Is there a way I could upgrade my current Espada? Send it in for one with the new steel?
Alright
My sentiments exactly, the only thing I ever had a problem with as far as coldsteel knives was the edge retention, the rusting as another person here mentioned was never a problem for me since I wipe my knives down every now and again.
As far as this test goes, I knew the Spyderco didn't stand a chance the moment I saw the title XD
Seeing as you cs guys guys seem to be replying to comments on this video I was wondering if I could get your opinion on the level of difference with the new steel you are re-doing the old models in, been wondering about dropping some cash into the new ak-47 and the recon if it holds up but haven't seen any reviews on the new steel yet.
When will these be available? I'm in the market for a recon 1 spear point plain edge.
Cold Steel does it again!
Awesome! You guys proved once again that Tri-Ad Lock is the strongest lock-mechanism.
I had been carrying around a Voyager XL, it used to be my go-to EDC, until something happened and I replaced it.
The "something" that happened was Espada XL in G-10.
Good job Cold Steel, keep at it!
Awesome!! Have you guys seen the lock on the Wildsteer WX folder? That too is one powerful lock! Definitely not as easy to use, but definitely strong!
Love you guys' videoes!! :)
You know these guys walk around the shop with their sacks hanging out arguing about who's got bigger balls 😂😂 😂
if they were tested at the same weight why does the spiderco have so much less give than the cold steel one, the spiderco moves a 3rd of what cold steel one does?
Just curious have you guys tested the Hest DPX with the lock on the framelock?
In the days of old
When Steel was Cold
and back locks discontented
Men's knives were loose
They failed hard use
Then Triad was invented!
Nice
I got a question so I've been starting to get in to the all this HEMA stuff and basicly,ain't gona lie i (for somewhat historical and aesthetical reasons) prefer highly curved blades(scimitar,shamshir,tulwar,kilji...) which also includes European sabres(some sabres,and thats what bothers me in a way and this is where I get confused :) ) so basicly I always thought of a sabre as a curved cavalry blade with little emphasis on thrusting...Until I started researching and realised that there are kinda few types of sabres...Like 1796 LC (my pref in a way) is radicaly curved for European standards, and then there are like those Infrantry sabres or "best british cavalry sabre" 1908/1912 cavalry sabres which are like full trhrust almost no cut...So basicly: Is sabre necesserly curved? If they are made for cutting(not sure) why do we have these sabres like 1912? Are European sabres better than Middle Eastern curves swords(mentioned above)? Is there such thing as sabre categorisation(dunno like infrantry sabres,cavalry sabres and whats the diffrence...cuz thats the idea I'm getting)...Round up I mean WHAT is actualy a sabre in a way :P :P Anyway, great channel,great vid...Thank you for your time
This is the proof video that users want to see. A performance comparison video I hope you do a comparison video with your trail master vs ka bar Becker bk9 vs esee junglas
Why you dosnt check with dinamo-key after each one strike anymore ??
I wanted an italian sword but im from portugal. How do i will have it?
Наконец-то я увидел, как ломается Tri-Ad Lock! При реальной работе, такого никогда не произойдёт, можно уверенно пользоваться ножом! Эндрю, спасибо Вам за такой замечательный замок. Вы вроде должны понимать русский язык, по этому не перевожу в переводчике.
Well done!Mission accomplished!
I laughed so hard when the spyderco broke twice!!😂 all very impressed the voyager held 450+
I was with 2 other knife guys who like spyderco, sog & benchmade more than cold steel. Imo, cold steel wins all day everyday vs everything. They were shocked and had plenty of excuses immediately ha. Pls test more spydercos!!
I like Spyderco knives too, but they are not as reliable/strong as Cold Steel and that's a fact
I have an extensive collection of folders of many brands, shapes, makes and sizes and I enjoy handling all of them but for sheer reliability and performance I'd go with Cold Steel everytime. As a matter of fact I have a new Recon 1 Tanto in CTS XHP coming in today. It's going to replace my old one which has never let me down on my travels.
Well that was an interesting test. I own two cold steel espada XLs which everyone knows sports the same triad lock. I wasn't too impressed with the spine whack and over strike tests but really I'm impressed the CS lock can hold that much weight before failure. I may have to rethink getting a tatanka. Now if only CS would use better quality blades....big big hint!!
well done guys!
I wish you guys would make more videos like this one I really enjoyed it instead of the other but maybe that's just me
Hello Coldsteel, hope you have a nice day.
Great video, but why didn't you use one of the new 2015 models?
I like tuff and mini tuff lite, do these two have the same locking mechanism of the voyager?
+csknives The difference being that the Voyager in this test is sharp enough to shave on your arm, but the Tuff Lite and the Tuff Lite Mini are sharp enough to shave the hair on a spider's butt. I've never seen an edge as fine as on the Tuff Lites.
you are a bunch of awesome people!
Hi, my name is Joe Thompson, I have bought many coldsteel products in the past, my favorite in which was the warrior katana and the gurka kukuri, I am looking forward for more amazing coldsteel products in the future.
When will the 2015 models with the new blade steel be hitting dealers shelves?
You sold me, got a Voyager XL Tanto coming now.
why did you go so low in the spine wack for the cold steel and higher on the spyderco. that's not fair. plus when you torqued the bolts down to thirty pounds, it looked like the spyderco was more torqued than the cold steel, making it hit harder.
I understand the importance of lock strength but I would be willing to bet a ball lock is stronger plus how much of this pertains to day to day use? I have many knives and have never needed to put hundreds of pounds of force into using them maybe try some real world usage and if lock strength is such a concern just get a fixed blade
The fact that he went out of his way to tighten the pivot on the spyderco is a pretty good indicator there is little to no bias
These tests in my opinion while cool and whatnot are kinda bunk. What makes a knife great is it's ability to act as a KNIFE. How well does it cut. How all does it carry. How are the ergos. How's the grind. Is it straight and symmetrical. What's the steel. Edge holding capabilities. Clip design. Lock strength is so subjective. Both knives performed excellent and well above what the average or hell even advanced users will ever do. At the end of the day a knife should be used as a knife. You want unbeatable strength get a fixed blade.
lol if you want unbeatable strength, get a crow bar. There are somethings knives just aren't meant for, granted they maybe able to do those tasks, but I am not surprised when they fail doing it.
I'd agree. My knives are not pry bars. They are cutting instruments.
tho the title of the video says (LOCK STRENGTH TEST) not cut test or fit a finish. Tho i still like my caly 3 CF, cold steels knives only real fault the the lame AUS-8, but they are addressing that.
***** Now I am a big fan of both Cold Steel and Spyderco, I own plenty from both... How was you Talwar junk? What was wrong with it to warrant calling it junk? Bad grind, dull edge, blade play, extra bad edge retention, sloppy liners?
Quite frankly to call any $25+ knife from a company like Spyderco, Cold Steel, Kershaw, Benchmade, ect... normally makes me think you are full of crap, have never actually handled the knife in question, or handled an actual junk knife like a M-tech.
Agreed. I just think they were showing the extremes. How much it can take. By showing years of stress in one day
Please, one test of cold steel bush ranger lite and cold steel crawford model 1
I don't think anyone will deny the strength and toughness of Cokd Steel, and it's been that way for some time.
Now, if you'll put a little of this time into the aesthetics of the models...better handle materials, choices, colors, textures, maybe some more blade finishes, and redeign the pocket clips so that you don't have to fight them to get them on and most pants, akd moee folks, like me, will consider you more often.
Looks do matter to a lot of people as well.
***** what were we supposed to see? it looks the same as the shit you have been shoveling out for years.
Dude I would buy 3 more Voyager XL's if they had some nice grip color options and maybe a nice shiny mirror blade finish! I'd pay $120 for a "Racing Red" color grip and mirror finish blade Voyager XL blade anyday. Maybe some Limited Run types like Spyderco does? I'd happily pay a premium CS!
***** Seriously, I don't know what this person is talking about... What do they think looks better, the "Spyderco Line?" They want "Psychedelic Folders?" I love my Talwar's, Espada's, Recon 1's, Hold Out's, AK-47's, American Lawmen, Rajah's, Counter Point's, Voyager's, Ti-Lite VI's, and Tuff-Lite's... Cold Steel has plenty of variety, as far as different styles of folders are concerned. I've been carrying and using Cold Steel Folders everyday since 2001 and I have owned just about all of them. The newest one's are the best, yet... I can't wait to get my hands on them... :)
True, the Tuff-Ex Teflon coating was a miss, due to it's durability, for sure... But, I love the Mirror Polished, Satin, Stonewashed, Bead Blasted, and New DLC finishes. True, I'd like to see more options for all of their folders, as far as finish options are concerned. But, I also understand their desire to keep cost down. And, I thank Cold Steel for that... :)
To me, the Cold Steel Folders look better than the majority of the puny and "Gimmicky" looking, weak, folders on the Market. These are serious duty blades, not toys... With 2015, once the "Blade Steel Marked One's" show up and hit the Street, like Lynn Thompson said they will, they'll be the "Best!" I'll be getting all of my favorites in the new American CTS-BD1 & XHP Super Steels.
I already have pre-ordered the new Folding Tiger and Black Talon, from the KnifeCenter.com. And look forward to getting the Ultimate Hunter; I can't afford the 4 Max... :( I'd love to get the 4 Max, but, it's a little rich for my budget. But, I know I'll figure out a way to get that one too... :) I've always loved Andrew Demko's AD-10. With the addition of the new steels, Cold Steel is kicking butt and taking names... And, their still the "Best Bang" for your "Buck!" What's to whine about?
Keep up the exceptional work, Cold Steel. Pay attention to your "Real Customers and Fans." Ignore the "Haters..." Your Folding Knives are the best knives and the best value out there... Nobody, makes a better SD/U/EDC Folder, period, at any price... This is my opinion... Great Video, Cold Steel! Peace, Stiletto :)
***** you did though...
people who work for a living want a strong and functional knife at a reasonable price. I don't give a fuck how it looks as long as it does it's job...pussy
After I watched this video I had to go buy the Voyager. Such an awesome knife. Please keep showing comparisons to other knives.
nice video!, any chance to see tri-ad vs Axis
Wow, thanks for the video! I always wanted to see you guys go head-to-head against other companies' knives. How about the Recon 1 Tanto vs the Emerson Super CQC-7? :)
And that's ONE of the reasons I have an XL Voyager among my other Cold Steel products. They are outstanding!
I think the Spyderco did really well. I have some Cold Steel fixed blade knives and would consider one of their lock backs.
I did not even expect that Spyderco can compare with Cold Steel!
This is very nice result for Spyderco (366 lbs).
id like to thank you guys for actually responding to your youtube commenters
Id like to see this again with the new CTS-XHP steel. If the blade brakes around the time the spyderco did. Then its the blade s fault, not the lock.
As a fan and believer in Cold Steel products for over 20 years, I am happy to see Lynn and the gang still at it, in making products that *work* for it's intended purposes - where form *always* follows function and reliability!
I despise overpriced safe queens that truly can't be used without some disappointment in it's performance. Lessons learned the hard way - never again! I also love the upgrades in metals and other materials! Ounce for ounce, dollar for dollar:
Cold Steel all the way!
Do you guys sell the Dummies as well?
Wasn't the spyderco blade break more of a result of the steel used as opposed to the locking mechanism?
Doesn't it just show that the cold steel blade happens to be stronger in that particular way, despite that it's objectively a worse cutter?
***** I think I should not used the word "objectively", my apologies. However, softness and ability to bend would make the blade stronger in this kind of test, and would also likely make it a worse cutter.
The general impression on knife forums of VG 1 vs VG 10 is that VG 10 is slightly better for cutting; I haven't seen anyone on bladeforums say that VG 1 was better, and although several people say they are equal, another group of people says VG 10 is slightly superior in edge retention and sharpness.
All other things being equal, such a test will favor softer steel.
+csknives touché, but my concern is even more valid with BD1. Would you disagree that BD1 is a tougher, but inferior edge holding steel compared to vg 10?
That is the general impression on the forums.
+cspj12
"worse cutter". Not at all. Saying it's a worse cutter implies it doesn't CUT as well. In reality, it would cut better, due to having an FFG grind. What you're saying is it wouldn't hold an edge as well, which is still false. CTS-BD1 is considered very comparable to VG-10. Also, the blade steel wouldn't matter in the test anyway, as the Tatanka's lock was clearly having much more trouble handling MUCH less weight than the Voyager.
+csknives
had a question I'm getting the spartan in bd1 how much pressure of weight does that knife hold and is it up for let's say botoning wood?
Cai I would agree to this. My cts bd1 dulls fairly quickly on my rajah. But still adequate enough to chop. Seems the blade failed on the spyderco but it will hold an edge longer which may be more practical if you are not planning on beating it to that extent and want edge holding over durability Ymmv
Andrew what are you carrying... looks like a 1911?
I like the test. Granted, lock strength is not the end all, be all of knife testing. But for the price that Spyderco lists their knives at, I expected a bit better. If I wanted a rugged folder that I can abuse for years and years, I'd probably go for a Cold Steel blade. If I wanted a knife for $320 and get the amount of quality that implies, I'd go for a custom. Find a good custom bladesmith and they'll kick Spyderco's ass every time for the same price.
List price is $320, and if you pay that much you are just as dumb as spending $100 on an XL Voyager. You can get an XL Voyager for about $55 and a Tatanka for about $180.
Even still... a well made custom folder for $320? Good luck. You can get a nice fixed blade for that, but not a folder that is still better than a production counter part.
Any Philippine type blades available?
would love to see Code 4 in a test. curious about the aluminum vs the grivory or g10 handles
Cold Steel's blade and lock held up better than Spyderco's. But if the blades break before the locks, isn't that like saying both knives are as strong as fixed blades?
That was legit. I wouldn't doubt Cold Steel is stronger anyway, but if you want a knife there's more to take into account. Weight, ease of sharpen, steel-hardness, size and shape are a few.
Though for my trusty bush-knife I prefer the indestructable Cold Steel. I use my pretty Spyderco for the lighter work, they're strong enough to at least take some beating.
I have had a Voyager XL for over a year and, recently got the Tatanka. The Cold Steel is the hands down winner when it comes to strength and value. The Tatanka is a slim nice knife that is of high quality but, not a chopper. I enjoy them both and carry both of them. Buy both is my answer. As a knife lover I excited to see more of these XL knifes on the market; competition drives innovation.
Do you planned to design Flamberges
(flame-bladed sword)?
Well I give you good points for being scientific and objective. A test like this is far more impressive to me than any of the proof videos, because they do not show any variables to compare with.
However this video is only testing one thing; the lock. Honestly I would be just as fine with a knife that can hold 400lb as one that holds 50lb, because I can not think of any possible realistic situation where I would have to subject a folder to that, where I would not just have a fixed blade. I am not saying I think one is better than the other (although I do own a XL Voyager), but more so the Tatanka is not devalued because it holds less than a less expensive knife.
***** Right on, CS! It was put up or shut up time. And, the Tri-Ad is still "King!"
"the Tatanka is not devalued because it holds less than a less expensive knife."
For a 5" hard use folder with a "PowerLock", I'd say that's the definition of 'devalued'.
100eyes A lock that can hold 366 pounds is a very good lock, they even say so in the video.
Compare a Lexus sedan with a Ford sedan. They do the exact same thing, just one is more expensive and more luxurious. It is found that the Ford produces 220hp and the Lexus produces 190hp... is the more expensive Lexus devalued compared to the ford because it has less, but still more than enough, horse power?
If you like driving faster, yes maybe. But if you want a luxurious car that still can drive fast, then it still is worth the value.
Dan Martin Using your car analogy, it'd be more accurate to compare these knives to cars and their safety rating. The difference between Spydie's 366 lbs and CS's 451 lbs breaking point is about 18%. On a 5 star scale, that's basically a full star.
So would someone buy the more expensive, luxurious car with a 4 star safety rating over a cheaper 5 star rated car? Of course. Many will say "this is safe enough". But when that more expensive car's selling point is its safety, naturally it's going to be judged on its safety in comparison to other cars and not its luxury options. And in terms of safety, it is devalued because it offers less at a higher cost.
Also let's not forget CS is starting to get more luxurious with the likes of XHP, BD1, 20CV, etc.
100eyes Nah dude, it's like judging between two armored cars, one taking an RPG and one taking a TOW Missile.
Nobody using one for regular use is going to ever find out or have to give a shit about the ultimate abuse either can take.
Ordered the Cold Steel Voyager XL the day before I watched this video. Btw, I wonder how my Spyderco Resilience would do in this test? On second thought I don't want to know. I do like both brands. Just for different reasons.
probably not good. liner locks usually do not fair well in shock and pressure
Cold Steel is by far the strongest lock out there but the Tatanka is no slouch. I love my Cold Steel and Spyderco knives in fact Ill give it to both brands when it comes to providing customers great knives as reasonable prices. I'd like to see Cold Steel bring (at least some models) back to the US for production.
I've had the large Voyager for 2 years. There is really no denying the quality of it. The only issue I take with it is with edge retention. There are a lot of knives out there that will stay sharp longer. I have spoken with Mr. Thompson. When he talked me into buying one of his knives, he talked of ease of sharpening in the field. I believe ease of sharpening goes hand in hand with ease of dulling. Just my 2 cents.
Big fan of Cold Steel knives....I try never to miss a parking lot sale, since their HQ is right across town. Own a ton; plan to own more!
Decent overall test but due to differences in materials, design of the knives, etc. difficult to consider it truly equal. Is interesting how apparently handle design helps absorb shock from overstrikes and such, did not consider it before.
Always had a healthy respect for strength of CS knives, I occasionally carry my Holdout 3, however the ergos, functionality, and edge holding of my Caly 3.5 generally win out. Looking forward to trying one of the upgraded steels for CS.
I'm a huge Spyderco fan, but the Tatanka is just outside of their wheelhouse. The results speak for themselves.
You guys should make shields! I know you have the buckler but full sized ancient Greek shields would be awesome!
You don't buy a knife for its locking mechanism. Knives are designed to cut. I'm much more concerned with how the blade performs than how many spine wacks it can take. If I want a hard use knife I'll use a fixed blade.
A lock is merely a safety feature. What on earth would I ever be doing with a knife where I would be applying 200-300+ pounds to the non-cutting side of my blade? I'm much more concerned with blade geometry and material as well as the action of the knife. Sure, I don't want it to close on my hands, but if that ever was to happen I would have most likely been doing something very stupid. However, I do think this was a very cool video.
A lock is merely a safety feature. What on earth would I ever be doing with a knife where I would be applying 200-300+ pounds to the non-cutting side of my blade? I'm much more concerned with blade geometry and material as well as the action of the knife. Sure, I don't want it to close on my hands, but if that ever was to happen I would have most likely been doing something very stupid. However, I do think this was a very cool video.
A lock is merely a safety feature. What on earth would I ever be doing with a knife where I would be applying 200-300+ pounds to the non-cutting side of my blade? I'm much more concerned with blade geometry and material as well as the action of the knife. Sure, I don't want it to close on my hands, but if that ever was to happen I would have most likely been doing something very stupid. However, I do think this was a very cool video.
A lock is merely a safety feature. What on earth would I ever be doing with a knife where I would be applying 200-300+ pounds to the non-cutting side of my blade? I'm much more concerned with blade geometry and material as well as the action of the knife. However, I do think this was a very cool video.
+Leland Bowling Lock strength is important because the world is filled with dumb fucks.
I love my Voyager Large
I'd like 2 see the Vallaton vs like a talwar or something. I know it's just a liner lock but mine is tough as shit. Not as tough as my CS folders but much tougher than other spydercos and sebenzas i have. Might be an interesting test
Awesome... you built a spine whack machine =D
That is what I was thinking. Definitely some R&D with brutal testing going on there.
What was the knife he had with the yellow scales?
Thanks
There is not enough transparent knife companies out there, I applaud Lynn and Andrew.
TBH if Sal wasn't such a likeable guy, people wouldn't even have a problem with it.
I can't wait for the SMF test next.
I am impressed with the Tatanka, but no knife owner should/would abuse a $180 knife like that. I think the Voyagers would make an especially great work knife for military/police/FD. I am surprised that Lynn let you show a Cold Steel knife snapping on camera. I like the honesty.
The Tatanka and the XL Voyagers are very large, impractical carry knives. At $50 though, anyone can afford to be a little impractical. I used the XL clip point to filet some salt water fish. It worked great. It was so convenient to be able to put this beast under the faucet to rinse clean, and then just lay on a towel to dry for a couple of hours. The pivot/liners probably should be blow dried. If you keep them dry and oiled they will not rust. I have 5 different Voyagers.
xl r easy edc over 15years 80% of my days carried one VaqueroXL full serrations my fave have all 4" and 5.5"
This is splendid. I must say that I did much prefer the previous Voyager model, with the thinner handle. Not as chunky, looked very nice. However, Cold Steel is a force to be reckoned with, no matter the appearance
Is there any reason the knife translates to buffalo in lakota
Because it's big and bulky and it only takes one well-placed hit to take it down*?
*Buffaloes have one pleural cavity, any damage to the thoracic wall that penetrated into the pleural cavity (it surrounds both lungs) would cause bilatreral pneumothorax and kill the animal within minutes.
On the other hand elephants (for example) have virtually no pleural cavity, so no amount of damage to the lungs or thoracic wall will ever suffer in life-threatening pneumothorax in an elephant.
That's why you only need a bow and arrow to take down a buffalo, but you need an express rifle (or lots of hits with an automatic) to kill an elephant.
Wow over 450 lbs and the lock STILL didnt fail, thats unbelievable. Good job Andrew Demko for developing the strongest lock on the planet. I love my spydercos but it is what it is. They are testing lock strength, and rightly so, if I had developed this lock I would be proud as hell of it too. Say what you want but no other company is doing this kind of testing so props to cold steel for putting their money where there mouth is.
A lock is merely a safety feature. What on earth would I ever be doing with a knife where I would be applying 200-300+ pounds to the non-cutting side of my blade? I'm much more concerned with blade geometry and material as well as the action of the knife. Sure, I don't want it to close on my hands, but if that ever was to happen I would have most likely been doing something very stupid. However, I do think this was a very cool video.
You do have a good point. Different strokes for different folks. I think it would be cool to see a comparison between a Benchmade 810 contego and some other tank of a knife.
Oh my bad. Duh I actually saw it. Just totally forgot. I even responded to someone in the comments lol
+matthew love I once had to stab my knife onto the side of an ice cliff because I was falling from a climb, eventually the knife got enough traction to lodge itself between rocks to stop my fall. It messed up my wrist but at least I didn't fall. I weighted 180 lbs at the time.
I want to see the lawman vs some other models in these tests
Way2B guys!!
These tests far exceed anything you would use a tactical folder for. Based on the abuse the Spyderco took before it broke, it would be more than adequate for any defensive purpose.
You are correct sir. The Spyderco WOULD be adequate for any defensive purpose ...right up until the point where it wasn't.
That is true of the cold steel knife as well. All Knives have their breaking-point. You just need to make sure your knife is more than strong enough for anything you might use it for. Your grip would fail before the Spyderco would.
Sig p226?
I love the fact that ***** responds to most comments in constructive ways, great bunch of guys. Keep up the good work :)
Impressive for sure (both knives took a beating far more exaggerated than I would ever expect even the toughest FIXED blades to ever have to withstand in real life).
that said, I'd be much more interested in an apples to apples series of cutting and other performance tests… I think then the Spyderco would show some impressive advantages over the Cold Steel...
On the other hand, the value of C.S. and the no-nonsense design is indeed legit. Never liked the stainless steels they used, but the new American steels really show they are committed to upping the game. As a mechanical engineer, it's quite clear to me how ridiculously tough the Triad Lock is (props, Demko!), but my one complaint is how relatively difficult it is to engage the lock either open or closed. I prefer the smoothness and one-handed opening of almost any Spydie, and particularly love a good flipper/framelock blade.
I would like to see a Benchmade with an Axis lock do the same test.
Pretty good 👏
Thats's why i like Cold Steel so much. Where else can you see such hard tests on their products. Cold Steel is always my first choice for rugged Folders for self defense or hard tasks. But i would like to see more good Fixed Blades at the size and quality of the Master Hunter. But with a steel guard on the end of the handle and maybe other handle materials, though the kraton is very grippy, of course.:)
I once had a Spyderco folding knife fall out of my pants as I stood at a urinal in a restroom located in a San Diego restaurant. It hit the floor. The floor was hard tile. The drop was approximately 3 feet to the floor. I picked it up. The pivot joint was virtually frozen, which made the knife useless. I never bought another Spyderco, I never will.