I've been a Cold Steel fan since they opened for business. Their 5.5" Recon 1 Tanto folder saved my life versus an aggressive Pitbull random attack. I used my CS diver knife to ward off a 6-foot shark when I was diving in the Caribbean. Not just for the money, but for everyday use. They are not perfect. I don't know of any production knife, NOR, a custom knife that is perfect. All I can tell you is that in 39 years, Cold Steel has NEVER failed me.
I own a few Benchmade knives from way back to 1980. I've had good luck with them, and they are still working today. However, my Cold Steel knives are simply beyond reproach, with the exception of one of their Dragonfly Swords. It was an out of the box sharpness issue. Other than that, I find Cold Steel the biggest bang for the buck: materials, fit/finish, durability, presence, and the ability to do the job they were designed to do. Further, Cold Steel's customer service is wonderful, and they really do stand behind their products. Thanks very much for your time and excellent demonstration.
Well Done Andrew! One thing I might like to see on the next test for example testing the lock from a horizontal angle with the knife suspended flat. It doesn't compare well to the stresses under utility but no one wants to have a knife break off in a rib cage. Thanks!
It kinda kills me from the inside to see knives get tortured like that, but on the other hand I'm happy that these are tests which the manufacturers can learn from and improve their knives.
These have all been great video's keep it up. I was actually very impressed with the bedlam have wanted to see how an axis lock holds up. I'm sure you get ton's of these but I'd love to see a griptilian and an adamas
Damn that was the superfight of the century ! i love these videos , gives me more evidence that cold steel is the best especially after taking up new cts xhp steels making it an all around hall of fame company !
Andrew your triad lock is the best lock for folder hand down i dont think any other type of lock can beat triad unless they are the same compression lock as triad lock, thank to you im a cold steel fan! cant wait for your 4max folder!
I wish cold steel would pay the extra ten bucks to use the legit Emerson opener. It's so much nicer than their version. That stupid little lip that doesn't always catch and doesn't open as smooth. Also, the legit Emerson opener doesn't shred your pocket.
I am still fuming over Benchmade forcing dealers to sell at nearly retail prices. This is one company you have my blessing to humiliate, Andrew. The 4 inch PE Talwar (AUS8) is at Knifehog for $47.99. Shipping is usually free. Merry Christmas!
They are probably going to win over new/younger knife consumers. These will be good for people on a budget. The more experienced folks know that knives this strong are not really necessary for 95% of knife owners.
Same, they are trying to be high class. Makes no sense because their bread and butter is black and blue line. Also, Bedlam is a failure of a design so feel free to knock Benchmade on this one!
+EvilBillRoasts the only problem with that theory is that when spyderco and benchmade charge such high prices, it's because of differentiation of designs, and blade steels, and many other factors. recon: aus8a and g10, american lawman: aus8a and g10, ak47: aus8a and code 4: g10, aus8a and aluminum handles, espada: aus8a and g10... yes, I know they're starting to use xhp, but still... that's 2 steel varieties unless you count the kudu and other knives that are more keychain style than anything else. spyderco: zdp189, s30v, s90v, 8cr13mov, 154cm, vg10, h1, 440c, aus8, aus6, aus10, ats-34, ats-55, s35vn, s110v, elmax, xhp, damascus, etc... benchmade: 154cm, d2, s30v, s90v, 440c, damascus, m390, n680, etc... you pay more for higher end steels, hence the reason why the cold steel xhp blades will be more expensive than their aus8a offerings.
Great test. Fair. I have noticed that on some Axis locks, if the lock bar doesn't come up on the blade tang far enough it will unlock like this. I had an 805 TSEK that would do that and I had to send it back to BM. They fixed it and it worked great after that. Great vid though.
The triad is a stunner, but a lockback has inherit advantages. Makes liner locks a joke, anyway. I just wish CS had some better looking knives. I have a couple BM knives, but only one Cold Steel. I definitely trust the lock on the CS incase my life depended on it, but my BM Barrage just proves so much more useful and pleasing to use. I'd love some more practical (non tacticool) knives from Cold.
I began looking for a work knife to compliment my multi tool and started watching your videos and have to say this one was amazing! Have a Code 4 on the way.
Would be interested to see how the open stop pin holds up on the Triad locks. Benchmade does a test where they apply forces opposite to what you guys do with the weight hang test. Look up Benchmade's 810 demonstration and test.
there is no question that cold steel as the strongest lock but I'm trying to imagine in what real world scenario would I need to subject my knife to that kind of extreme test ??? the only way that I see is to put on a stick to make a spear! but there is so much more than lock strength when you buy a knife like look, feel, how it open and close and so much more it all come down to personal preference ;)
clap5 I'm not surprised as I've never considered it the strongest of all locks out there (take a benchmade apart and you see how it could fail). The way the axis moves is its downfall when it comes to that spin test. I'm more surprised that it's single pin+liner lock held 400 fucking pounds.
Impressive the axis lock with more than 400 pounds. Anyway, i have no doubts than tri-ad lock is the stronger lock system in the world. It would be interesting to see vs a balisong. Regards!.
Pointless test, bedlam is still better in almost every way imo. I still plan to pick up a talwar at some point only if I can find it at a discount though. Cs should bring back the made in Japan custom series! I'm talking black sable , Caledonian edge ect Sweet blades that I would pay the extra cash for.
Prices given here have changed dramatically. The Talwar is $107, and the Bedlam is $146 (Advantage Talwar). Talwar made in Taiwan, and Bedlam is made in USA(Advantage Bedlam).Bedlam AXIS advantage over lockback on Talwar. Handle grip advantage Bedlam (close call). Bedlam advantage opening stud vs clip for Talwar. The steels are roughly even, although I have never used CTS-HXP. I have the Bedlam, and it is a beast. The tip of the blade is a stabbing dream. The handle is large, but it has a pronounced front and rear quillion, as does the Talwar. The blade came very sharp.
I have cold steels and benchmades and the axis lock is just a better design. it might not be as strong but it's way esier to open fast and weeker people can acually close it. also if my benchmade breaks I can send it to benchmade and they'll fix it.
Please make a newer test video of the Rajah 2 (or XL Espada). I'm not sure what till be compared to, but nonetheless, it'll be awesome! I love my Rajah 2, still one of my favorite 'weekend' EDCs. Thank you.
***** My Rajah 2 actually has a defect in it , the blade where the pivot is is warped slightly and causes the knife to be off center when closed. How should I go about the warranty? And how long would it take to be replaced?
Before I say anything I want to say I like Cold steel they have a great product for the money, not downing or bashing them in any way. I would like to see you test the Benchmade Adamas with one of your knives in the same class, the Adamas is stronger then the Bedlam or a lot of other Benchmade folding knives. For me out of all the knives I have carried, I like Benchmade more because it's strong and easy to close with one hand, While Clod steel can be quite a bugger to close with one hand an not cut yourself (for me at least). some other knives I think would give cold steel a run for their money is as follows, Benchmade Sibert, LionSteel SR1-Ti V Titanium Folding Knife, Zero Tolerance Hinderer 0561 or 0560. P.S is that a 1911 he is Carrying?
Excellent product have got my Talwar xl the last week I love it the need to sand down the G10 under the clip so I can carry it. Please CS make a another clip design thanks.
9:30 AM on March 12, 2016 Cold Steel Website is down. Are there any folding knives with the tri-ad lock and steel inserts ? Your videos are what got me into purchasing Cold Steel Tri Ad Lock knives.
Why block of the shop view? I thought it looked cool. The double weight hang was a good idea, more efficient for video sake. It would be nice to have a side profile view to see the knife handles bending and stressing while the weight is being dropped. From this rear view, you cant really tell the severity of sag.
Yes, the Triad wins but take into consideration deployment. Owning both a Bedlam 860 BC and a Cold Steel Spartan, I could easily tell the cold steel was stronger but it was very hard to close and often gave me blisters. The steel line was small and gave me trouble gaining leverage and sores on my thumb. I did get better at deployment but it is still no walk in the park. The Axis was much better than I expected, I could open and close the knife within 3 seconds with no pain. It's one of the easiest, fastest, and most reliable lock I have ever seen. So if you like toughness, reliability, at a cost of some pain, go for the Cold steel. If you like swiftness, speed and ease, go for the benchmade. These are just my opinions, thank you for reading
Hold on. On the weight test, the second one, they start off by putting the Bedlam on the right. But when the left-most knife breaks at the end, they declare that one the Bedlam knife. EDIT: No, I was wrong. At 7:23 he does change the position of the knives. Thank you +csknives for clearing that up.
Chester Taylor ***** Can you comment on this? At 6:50 the gentlemen lays down a knife on the right side of the frame and says, "this is the brand new Bedlam..." but then at 19:40 when the left-most knife breaks both men and the on-screen text declare the Bedlam had catastrophic failure. Unless I am missing something, and I've watched this 5 times over now, the CS Talwar is the knife that failed the weight test. Note: commented to my own reply to offer more information. EDIT: See above, I was wrong, at 7:23 he does change the position of the knives.
That was awesome! I have the Bedlam and thought this would be a great match up. Just watched the nutnfancy review on the Talwar and have to say I just placed an order for an xl Talwar! Awesome videos keep them coming.
***** Wooow ! The most awesome , nail biting test so far ! Andrew, Lynn and the entire CS team, I can't thank you enough for delivering the best blade products ! As a life long blade enthusiast it means more than I can say ! Now I'll edc my CS Talwar with extra pride. Great new set up of the work shop for the videos and thank you for supporting the freedoms and the 2nd amendment, even though I live in nanny ,wussy europe (firearms enthusiast as well !!!) I still connect and understand the freedoms and independence granted by the 2nd. Keep it up and never lose it !
+Leoroids not the people I work with & train which are those in the LE, Military & private sector. Cutting into animal carcasses is a very accurate way to teach individuals what it may feel like in real time, it also teaches one how to properly cut/slash, stab & vacate the blade out of a body.
Well, cold steel makes ninja swords, viking axes, clubs, bats, spears, daggers, hatches, throwing knives, and a hundred other awesome weapons from high quality materials. Sure, you call them the mall ninja guys. But, you CAN NOT call them the mall ninja quality guys. They're producing quality products with quality materials. Mall ninja is a term that is associated with shitty quality products. You know, swords that break when you swing them at a pillow. That's the last thing cold steel makes.
That was really surprising and I definitely gotta give credit to whomever designed the 2014 Cold Steel Talwar for making one tough knife but, I still prefer the 154CM blade steel that the Benchmade Bedlam is made of.
I was curious. Perhaps a battle between the Buck Marksman model 0830. Versus something of the equal line up. And thank again as always with the awesome videos and the fantastic sportsmanship.
Tal war needs to be 4 inches lingers and in full tang. Sorry, but I do the the width of that talwar, however full tang blades tend to last longer than folders.
Very impressed that weight hang was intense those knives can easily hold multiple of my weight. Though i EDC a cold steel voyager medium i also EDC a ka-bar Dozier Design 4065, I had this knife since i was a teen and i abused the this knife quite a bit and holds up fine even to my amateur resharpening. I've accidentally machine washed and dried this knife like 4 times because its so light and thin that i forget about it or dont notice it was still clipped onto my pants. I got this knife for about 12-15 dollars back then i think it runs about 20 dollars now. the knife is 2.2 ounces and i think its Aus 8 steel that's a lock back design and no liners. I'd like to see one affordable lightweight Vs another of two companies i highly reconmend
i have a couple talwar xls serrated blades tested them just hacking branches( against other blades like the cs bushman bowie the gi tanto, and a 13 " uncle henry bowie and a spyderco resiliance) and that xl talwar blew them all out of water they are crazy slashers! the talwar sliced everything the rest just basically bashed into the branches
A good consideration, but I already have an EDC blade (tenacious) and I need something on the larger side to fulfill a different role. Thanks for the feedback on the large though.
TheGreatAK6153 ... Get it... you will not be disappointed... I picked up one on a whim from a guy on ebay who had a buy it now for a used CS XL clip Voyager and a Victorinox Trekker for 40 bucks... I got it because i kind of wanted the Trekker.... Turns out the XL Voyager replaced my Fixed Blade as my Outdoors EDC... Anytime i head out to go fishing, camping, hiking, or Mountain Biking that XL Clip Voyager comes with me... When open and held with your hand at the rear of the handle it actually has the same reach and chopping ability as my Kabar USMC knife... Yes, im not joking... It was so capable that i went and purchased a brand new Recon XL Clip for 89.00 shipped to my door... IMO the Recon XL is the most capable Combat/Tactical/Survival Folder ever made my any manufacturer....
TheGreatAK6153 ... When it arrives take a walk in the woods, Flick it open, Grip it at the rear finger choils, find a small tree with some 1" diameter limbs and prepare to be amazed as you cleave them with a single powerful chop from a Folder.
Okay it just look that way and I thought I heard a clang of metal hitting the floor or something..... Regardless it still failed miserably and that's why I buy mostly cold steel knives
Weight has nothing to do with it, you were just going to use that as an excuse if the cold steel lost. You also keep talking about not having steel liners, it is the lock strength you are testing so the liners have nothing to do with it. Sure the cold steel is stronger, but strength is not the only reason to pick a knife.
Corpse Grinder Heavier knives are usually stronger than lighter knives, because they have more material to take the brunt of the force. The point Andrew is proving is that a supposedly weaker, lighter knife can perform way outside of its weight class capabilities. Why? By design, the lock itself is taking more of the force, not the handle. Proving a superior strength/weight ratio.
The liners are added for weight, which I particular like, and also for scale reinforcement. The lock may hold, but perhaps the handle (scales) may collapse. There are a plethora of knives from which to choose whichever one is best for them. After all, the best knife on the planet is the one "you" like the most.
steel liner does make a difference. if you take a look at different lock tests, a lot of the time the failure mode is through linear deformation. In this case tho steel liner would actually negatively influence the result as frp has higher shear resistance than steel.
If CS would make their knives in the USA, I'd pay the extra cost. I'd prefer to keep as much money as possible here rather than send money out to other countries!!!
+1845Raven I hope they don't. I have like 20 or more Cold Steel knives/items just because they are widely available in my country and not so expensive like most other brands. They are like 80% of my knife collection.
I know this is late. I was really wondering if you guys plan on making a new push dagger. I have the mini one (cant remember the name its the smallest one) and its great except it has a sheraded edges on it. Also in my line of work i can not have a knife any bigger than the mini. Not even the next smallest because my boss says it could be a problem. I would just like to see the dagger in a normal edge
I have tested the Bedlam with a spine tap 20 times with no failure. I would suggest that this test here may prove which knife passes this test, but the test has no relation to the lock performing during a self defense scenario. Beyond self defense, I have no idea when such a test would be relevant or even prudent. I have been in a self defense encounter, and I have had a knife lock fail. I always check the lock carefully now before I buy one. It probably is time to upgrade your tests like it is the prices given here. Nearly 5 years have passed, I understand.
I know this is an obscure one, but what about comparing the Aus 8A 4" aluminum Ti-Lite to the Smith & Wesson (actually made by Taylor Brands, which includes Schrade, Old Timer, and Uncle Henry) Black Ops series of folders? I'm asking because I've had the serrated drop-point tanto model (SWBLOP3TS) for many years (okay, I bought it at a store and didn't know much about knives back then), and it hasn't failed me (I've done a lot of spine whacks and stabbed many things with it). It seems to have a decent liner lock, compared to other brands' liner locks. I am not sure how good the quality control, and thus consistency is, or if any of the newer Smith & Wesson branded liner lock folders have the same liner lock. I have never seen it tested, but I know that similar models are fairly popular at Knife Depot. Most similar models have a secondary safety, which through an unknown mechanism prevents the blade from closing even when the liner lock is depressed. Needless to say, I carry a Voyager now, but I would like to see if any company, especially a lesser known company, produces a halfway decent liner lock comparable to Cold Steel's.
Remake the frenzy with thick handles same as the XL Talwar no milled out on top just flat like the Talwar. Would be way better then the super thin one. Prob still be under 8 ounces but badass.
***** Obviously he is English-challenged, but I have no trouble understanding his question. He wants to know why you left the weight hanging on the Bedlam for longer than you left it hanging on the Talwar. Not too hard to understand that at all, if you want to understand it.
+csknives Rewatch your video. You can clearly see the Bedlam is under the effect of the weight about 5 seconds before the Talwar each time you lower it.
***** I don't think it even makes much a difference honestly, but you said you don't understand why he would think that, but you can clearly see it in the video. I certainly don't think CS was doing it on purpose. I have no need to redo the tests anyway, the test has shown what it has shown. The Tri-ad lock can resist more force before it fails than any other lock out there. The question is, does it matter? Is anyone gonna actually use this much power on their knife? Is it more important than ease of deployment, blade steel, handle ergonomics, ect ect? I don't think so. CS doesn't really sacrifice any of these, especially after finally upgrading from AUS8, and generally makes good knives.
I'm not saying it isn't important, but I honestly don't think a blade will ever be exposed to that much stress in real use. And also, even if it was possible, I still would never consider that more important than blade steel, design, ease of opening (on which the axis lock is superior imo), ect. And also, if you needed that much lock strength, why wouldn't you just carry a fixed blade?
CS knives have always been my favorite. I got a Spyderco Paramilitary 2 last Christmas and I'm gonna be honest, I still prefer my Recon 1 Clip Point L.
***** I use it as an everyday carry, although it isnt allowed in my school but that doesnt matter to me. What are the differences between the rat 1 and 2 ?
I actually commented before I finished watching the video, but wow, that was the "fight" yet, with the weight hang at least.. I'm curious though, as I couldn't tell from watching.. were the Benchmades still working after each failure? I mean did the lock fail by "slipping" out of place on both tests, but afterwards still opened and closed alright? Also thanks for all the tests, they're very fun to watch. I will surely pick up a 2015 version Cold Steel sometime with the new steel and dlc coatings, so glad you guy finally upgraded those, they were the two things that keps me from truly loving Cold Steels' folders :) BTW, I seriously envy your shop.. ya got a Hardcore Maximizer in the background and a KMG horizonal etc etc etc. (at least in the other vids). Man I would love to see a tour of your shop being a knifemaker myself. Although it might not have much to do with Cold Steel itself, I still hope ta see all the goodies in there sometime :)
Robert Hill So, it's "handpicked" to compare two one-hand opening/closing knives? It's only fair if a one-hand opening/closing Cold Steel is compared to the slow, two-hand manipulated RAO/RAO II? As for Quartermaster, that would be a good laugh. It doesn't look to me like they've even held a real knife before, much less learned how to build one. But, maybe, just by chance, they make a better framelock than any other knife company, even if their QTR series looks like they took a band saw to real knife handles.
Andrew Tadsen Cold Steel - "comparing knives of similar size, weight, price or materials". Don't take it so personally Mr Tadsen. I'm just suggesting there are many other knives within the scope that CS suggested that would be suitable for these tests. The Vs tests seem to me to be from a small range of mainly US made knives, that could be "handpicked" for particular weaknesses they may have. I'm not suggesting any winner or loser, just that based on CS's own remit, there are other knives that CS could go up against and would make interesting tests. My Rao II opens very easily with one hand, as does my Nemisis and there are other ER knives (and not just ER), that fall within the CS remit. Just because you personally don't like the appearance of a particular knife, doesn't make it unsuitable for any test either. I'm pretty sure the people at Quartermaster have actually held a knife before.
Robert Hill So you want to test the RAO without the pin in place? In that case, the test could be considered "fair", comparing similar knives, but I assumed that since you mentioned the RAO in particular that the idea was to test the Tri-Ad lock vs. the RAO with the pin inserted. Does the RAO have a legitimate claim to strength without the pin?
+Sasa Dafuq Did Cold Steel replace it? Sounds like either the blade steel or the handle failed...not the lock mechanism. Also, remember, the KUDU is a $10.00 knife. I have 3 KUDUS and 3 ELANDS. I use them to trim brush, in the kitchen, and I have even filleted fish with them, with no troubles at all. I am not going to ask why you were stabbing a tire. but If I were going to do something like that, I would use something with a stronger point, like a Ti-Lite or a Tanto Voyager. Tires have steel belts in them.
Benchmade is the sig of knives. Their stuff is good no doubt but cold steel beats it out for less. Cold steel doesn’t just talk the talk, they walk the walk.
I've been a Cold Steel fan since they opened for business. Their 5.5" Recon 1 Tanto folder saved my life versus an aggressive Pitbull random attack. I used my CS diver knife to ward off a 6-foot shark when I was diving in the Caribbean. Not just for the money, but for everyday use. They are not perfect. I don't know of any production knife, NOR, a custom knife that is perfect. All I can tell you is that in 39 years, Cold Steel has NEVER failed me.
Not sure who at Cold Steel thought up these videos, but they should be promoted. Very fresh and entertaining. Awesome series.
I still prefer the axis lock for ease of use, but it's impressive that you guys were able to design such a strong lock. Keep up the good work!
Regardless of the test results the Benchmade stood the test of time. I wish you would make the talwar again.
Kicking ass and taking names, good job CS
I own a few Benchmade knives from way back to 1980. I've had good luck with them, and they are still working today. However, my Cold Steel knives are simply beyond reproach, with the exception of one of their Dragonfly Swords. It was an out of the box sharpness issue. Other than that, I find Cold Steel the biggest bang for the buck: materials, fit/finish, durability, presence, and the ability to do the job they were designed to do. Further, Cold Steel's customer service is wonderful, and they really do stand behind their products. Thanks very much for your time and excellent demonstration.
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Well Done Andrew! One thing I might like to see on the next test for example testing the lock from a horizontal angle with the knife suspended flat. It doesn't compare well to the stresses under utility but no one wants to have a knife break off in a rib cage. Thanks!
It kinda kills me from the inside to see knives get tortured like that, but on the other hand I'm happy that these are tests which the manufacturers can learn from and improve their knives.
Please Test Emerson Knives to Check his Claim that it is the Worlds number 1 Hard Use Knives.
I really wanted to see how the axis lock performed, thanks!
These have all been great video's keep it up. I was actually very impressed with the bedlam have wanted to see how an axis lock holds up. I'm sure you get ton's of these but I'd love to see a griptilian and an adamas
I really would like to get some close up shots of the damage. But otherwise keep it going. ^^
They never show close up or detailed shots of the knives in these tests.
Damn that was the superfight of the century ! i love these videos , gives me more evidence that cold steel is the best especially after taking up new cts xhp steels making it an all around hall of fame company !
If the Talwar is so good, why is it discontinued?
Blame it on the Espada😉. In all seriousness, i too would like to know why they discontinued the Talwar. Such a amazing knife 🔪 😍
This just sold me another Cold Steel Knife. I look forward to the new steel offerings
Andrew your triad lock is the best lock for folder hand down i dont think any other type of lock can beat triad unless they are the same compression lock as triad lock, thank to you im a cold steel fan! cant wait for your 4max folder!
Absolutely love these tests! Keep doing what you're doing!
I wish cold steel would pay the extra ten bucks to use the legit Emerson opener. It's so much nicer than their version. That stupid little lip that doesn't always catch and doesn't open as smooth. Also, the legit Emerson opener doesn't shred your pocket.
I am still fuming over Benchmade forcing dealers to sell at nearly retail prices. This is one company you have my blessing to humiliate, Andrew.
The 4 inch PE Talwar (AUS8) is at Knifehog for $47.99. Shipping is usually free. Merry Christmas!
They are probably going to win over new/younger knife consumers. These will be good for people on a budget. The more experienced folks know that knives this strong are not really necessary for 95% of knife owners.
Same, they are trying to be high class. Makes no sense because their bread and butter is black and blue line. Also, Bedlam is a failure of a design so feel free to knock Benchmade on this one!
+EvilBillRoasts the only problem with that theory is that when spyderco and benchmade charge such high prices, it's because of differentiation of designs, and blade steels, and many other factors. recon: aus8a and g10, american lawman: aus8a and g10, ak47: aus8a and code 4: g10, aus8a and aluminum handles, espada: aus8a and g10... yes, I know they're starting to use xhp, but still... that's 2 steel varieties unless you count the kudu and other knives that are more keychain style than anything else. spyderco: zdp189, s30v, s90v, 8cr13mov, 154cm, vg10, h1, 440c, aus8, aus6, aus10, ats-34, ats-55, s35vn, s110v, elmax, xhp, damascus, etc... benchmade: 154cm, d2, s30v, s90v, 440c, damascus, m390, n680, etc... you pay more for higher end steels, hence the reason why the cold steel xhp blades will be more expensive than their aus8a offerings.
Great test. Fair. I have noticed that on some Axis locks, if the lock bar doesn't come up on the blade tang far enough it will unlock like this. I had an 805 TSEK that would do that and I had to send it back to BM. They fixed it and it worked great after that. Great vid though.
The triad is a stunner, but a lockback has inherit advantages. Makes liner locks a joke, anyway. I just wish CS had some better looking knives. I have a couple BM knives, but only one Cold Steel. I definitely trust the lock on the CS incase my life depended on it, but my BM Barrage just proves so much more useful and pleasing to use.
I'd love some more practical (non tacticool) knives from Cold.
I began looking for a work knife to compliment my multi tool and started watching your videos and have to say this one was amazing! Have a Code 4 on the way.
Would be interested to see how the open stop pin holds up on the Triad locks. Benchmade does a test where they apply forces opposite to what you guys do with the weight hang test. Look up Benchmade's 810 demonstration and test.
there is no question that cold steel as the strongest lock but I'm trying to imagine in what real world scenario would I need to subject my knife to that kind of extreme test ??? the only way that I see is to put on a stick to make a spear! but there is so much more than lock strength when you buy a knife like look, feel, how it open and close and so much more it all come down to personal preference ;)
that is an amazing lock on the cold steel.
Wow. I am amazed. I'm a huge believer in the AXIS lock and thought it to be superior to all other folding locks. I honestly am in disbelief.
Will you be doing a rematch?
clap5 I'm not surprised as I've never considered it the strongest of all locks out there (take a benchmade apart and you see how it could fail). The way the axis moves is its downfall when it comes to that spin test. I'm more surprised that it's single pin+liner lock held 400 fucking pounds.
Impressive the axis lock with more than 400 pounds. Anyway, i have no doubts than tri-ad lock is the stronger lock system in the world.
It would be interesting to see vs a balisong.
Regards!.
balisongs don't have a locking mechanism? the blade is held into the handle by pins. It's essentially a fixed blade
I love Cold Steel knives and the Tri-Ad lock. Didn't CS used to use the Axis Lock in their folders? I have an older Recon 1 with it.
Pointless test, bedlam is still better in almost every way imo. I still plan to pick up a talwar at some point only if I can find it at a discount though. Cs should bring back the made in Japan custom series! I'm talking black sable , Caledonian edge ect Sweet blades that I would pay the extra cash for.
Mr. Demko, YOU ARE THE MAN!
Prices given here have changed dramatically. The Talwar is $107, and the Bedlam is $146 (Advantage Talwar). Talwar made in Taiwan, and Bedlam is made in USA(Advantage Bedlam).Bedlam AXIS advantage over lockback on Talwar. Handle grip advantage Bedlam (close call). Bedlam advantage opening stud vs clip for Talwar. The steels are roughly even, although I have never used CTS-HXP. I have the Bedlam, and it is a beast. The tip of the blade is a stabbing dream. The handle is large, but it has a pronounced front and rear quillion, as does the Talwar. The blade came very sharp.
When are you guys going to make videos for your new product?
I have cold steels and benchmades and the axis lock is just a better design. it might not be as strong but it's way esier to open fast and weeker people can acually close it. also if my benchmade breaks I can send it to benchmade and they'll fix it.
Please make a newer test video of the Rajah 2 (or XL Espada). I'm not sure what till be compared to, but nonetheless, it'll be awesome!
I love my Rajah 2, still one of my favorite 'weekend' EDCs.
Thank you.
I would consider their knives if they had a better warranty. I'm doing great with my Adamas.
well considering you still haven't sent me a pocket clip for my knife which I told you about months ago I can see why he doesn't like your warranty.
I've called you emailed you and even had a friend have to email you and you keep saying your going to send it out and its been nearly nine months
***** My Rajah 2 actually has a defect in it , the blade where the pivot is is warped slightly and causes the knife to be off center when closed. How should I go about the warranty? And how long would it take to be replaced?
***** no time limit? I read in your FAQ that your warranty for fixed blades was 5 years and for folding knives it was 1 year.
It's a cold steel AK 47 and I need it for the right side pocket clip. You have received many emails for me and many phone calls for over 9 months.
I really want the Talwar.. please re-release it.
Before I say anything I want to say I like Cold steel they have a great product for the money, not downing or bashing them in any way.
I would like to see you test the Benchmade Adamas with one of your knives in the same class, the Adamas is stronger then the Bedlam or a lot of other Benchmade folding knives.
For me out of all the knives I have carried, I like Benchmade more because it's strong and easy to close with one hand, While Clod steel can be quite a bugger to close with one hand an not cut yourself (for me at least). some other knives I think would give cold steel a run for their money is as follows, Benchmade Sibert, LionSteel SR1-Ti V Titanium Folding Knife, Zero Tolerance Hinderer 0561 or 0560.
P.S is that a 1911 he is Carrying?
Excellent product have got my Talwar xl the last week I love it the need to sand down the G10 under the clip so I can carry it. Please CS make a another clip design thanks.
This was the best comparison so far. I know you guys used the Ultralock on old Recon 1s for a good reason.
I would love ta see how well the compression lock from spyderco holds up... How about a Paramilitary 2 for your next test! :)
***** Also the ball lock in the Manix 2!
9:30 AM on March 12, 2016 Cold Steel Website is down. Are there any folding knives with the tri-ad lock and steel inserts ?
Your videos are what got me into purchasing Cold Steel Tri Ad Lock knives.
Voyager
Why block of the shop view? I thought it looked cool. The double weight hang was a good idea, more efficient for video sake.
It would be nice to have a side profile view to see the knife handles bending and stressing while the weight is being dropped. From this rear view, you cant really tell the severity of sag.
***** Any emerson against the Ti-lite's liner lock?
I agree, I would love to see Emerson test!
Yes, the Triad wins but take into consideration deployment. Owning both a Bedlam 860 BC and a Cold Steel Spartan, I could easily tell the cold steel was stronger but it was very hard to close and often gave me blisters. The steel line was small and gave me trouble gaining leverage and sores on my thumb. I did get better at deployment but it is still no walk in the park. The Axis was much better than I expected, I could open and close the knife within 3 seconds with no pain. It's one of the easiest, fastest, and most reliable lock I have ever seen. So if you like toughness, reliability, at a cost of some pain, go for the Cold steel. If you like swiftness, speed and ease, go for the benchmade. These are just my opinions, thank you for reading
Now that was fun to watch!
This video made me want to purchase a bedlam. Awesome looking knife.
Hold on. On the weight test, the second one, they start off by putting the Bedlam on the right. But when the left-most knife breaks at the end, they declare that one the Bedlam knife.
EDIT: No, I was wrong. At 7:23 he does change the position of the knives. Thank you +csknives for clearing that up.
Chester Taylor ***** Can you comment on this? At 6:50 the gentlemen lays down a knife on the right side of the frame and says, "this is the brand new Bedlam..." but then at 19:40 when the left-most knife breaks both men and the on-screen text declare the Bedlam had catastrophic failure. Unless I am missing something, and I've watched this 5 times over now, the CS Talwar is the knife that failed the weight test.
Note: commented to my own reply to offer more information.
EDIT: See above, I was wrong, at 7:23 he does change the position of the knives.
***** Yep, you are correct. I have edited my original comments to reflect that. I just ordered 4" Talwar plain edge. Thanks for your time!
That was awesome! I have the Bedlam and thought this would be a great match up. Just watched the nutnfancy review on the Talwar and have to say I just placed an order for an xl Talwar! Awesome videos keep them coming.
You guys should really test the Benchmade Adamas, that things is a fucking monster
What gun do you carry??
***** Wooow ! The most awesome , nail biting test so far ! Andrew, Lynn and the entire CS team, I can't thank you enough for delivering the best blade products ! As a life long blade enthusiast it means more than I can say ! Now I'll edc my CS Talwar with extra pride. Great new set up of the work shop for the videos and thank you for supporting the freedoms and the 2nd amendment, even though I live in nanny ,wussy europe (firearms enthusiast as well !!!) I still connect and understand the freedoms and independence granted by the 2nd. Keep it up and never lose it !
got my talwar for 70 bucks, I am quite happy about it
I love how so many still refuse to give CS the credit it deserves after winning this torture test.
+Leoroids not the people I work with & train which are those in the LE, Military & private sector. Cutting into animal carcasses is a very accurate way to teach individuals what it may feel like in real time, it also teaches one how to properly cut/slash, stab & vacate the blade out of a body.
+Jesse Murrieta the Rock and roll music is a bit much though
Well, cold steel makes ninja swords, viking axes, clubs, bats, spears, daggers, hatches, throwing knives, and a hundred other awesome weapons from high quality materials. Sure, you call them the mall ninja guys. But, you CAN NOT call them the mall ninja quality guys. They're producing quality products with quality materials. Mall ninja is a term that is associated with shitty quality products. You know, swords that break when you swing them at a pillow. That's the last thing cold steel makes.
@B4 freedomfighter cool story bro
@B4 freedomfighter cool story sister
That was really surprising and I definitely gotta give credit to whomever designed the 2014 Cold Steel Talwar for making one tough knife but, I still prefer the 154CM blade steel that the Benchmade Bedlam is made of.
Wow. That bedlam does give the triad a run for its money… Maybe not in the impact, but damn…
Well that was pretty amazing i never guessed it would win with that plastic handle
I was curious.
Perhaps a battle between the Buck Marksman model 0830.
Versus something of the equal line up.
And thank again as always with the awesome videos and the fantastic sportsmanship.
Tal war needs to be 4 inches lingers and in full tang. Sorry, but I do the the width of that talwar, however full tang blades tend to last longer than folders.
I meant longer not linger.
"That's a real slobberknocker." "A what?!?!" 😂
Very impressed that weight hang was intense those knives can easily hold multiple of my weight. Though i EDC a cold steel voyager medium i also EDC a ka-bar Dozier Design 4065, I had this knife since i was a teen and i abused the this knife quite a bit and holds up fine even to my amateur resharpening. I've accidentally machine washed and dried this knife like 4 times because its so light and thin that i forget about it or dont notice it was still clipped onto my pants. I got this knife for about 12-15 dollars back then i think it runs about 20 dollars now. the knife is 2.2 ounces and i think its Aus 8 steel that's a lock back design and no liners. I'd like to see one affordable lightweight Vs another of two companies i highly reconmend
i have a couple talwar xls serrated blades tested them just hacking branches( against other blades like the cs bushman bowie the gi tanto, and a 13 " uncle henry bowie and a spyderco resiliance) and that xl talwar blew them all out of water they are crazy slashers! the talwar sliced everything the rest just basically bashed into the branches
Looks like the Tri-Ad lock is king after all. I will be purchasing a Voyager XL next paycheck. ; )
A good consideration, but I already have an EDC blade (tenacious) and I need something on the larger side to fulfill a different role. Thanks for the feedback on the large though.
TheGreatAK6153 ... Get it... you will not be disappointed... I picked up one on a whim from a guy on ebay who had a buy it now for a used CS XL clip Voyager and a Victorinox Trekker for 40 bucks... I got it because i kind of wanted the Trekker.... Turns out the XL Voyager replaced my Fixed Blade as my Outdoors EDC... Anytime i head out to go fishing, camping, hiking, or Mountain Biking that XL Clip Voyager comes with me... When open and held with your hand at the rear of the handle it actually has the same reach and chopping ability as my Kabar USMC knife... Yes, im not joking... It was so capable that i went and purchased a brand new Recon XL Clip for 89.00 shipped to my door... IMO the Recon XL is the most capable Combat/Tactical/Survival Folder ever made my any manufacturer....
Bold statements, I appreciate that. I will give some of my own feedback when mine gets shipped.
TheGreatAK6153 ... When it arrives take a walk in the woods, Flick it open, Grip it at the rear finger choils, find a small tree with some 1" diameter limbs and prepare to be amazed as you cleave them with a single powerful chop from a Folder.
***** Haha, no I just want a harder use folder. Though I think it would excel with hogs...
It's very interesting to see test of the Benchmade Contego vs CS Recon 1 ...
Have you guys thought about pitting your old Ultralock Recon knives against the relatively newer Triad Recons just cuz?
*****
Vininull has a test video doing just that (though, against the Aus-8A Recon 1).
Good to know ^_^
weight hang test not fair. bedlam had more black plates - the paint is extra weight.
cs fanboy is mad
Harrison Talbott Why? Because the Talwar outperformed the Bedlam?
Personally, I like both knives, but for the price difference between the Bedlam and the XHP Talwar........I'm goin XHP Talwar :)
The blade flew off... It flew off... It flew the fuck off!
no it didnt. it closed... the axis lock is on two very light springs compared to the cs. the force just closed it.
Okay it just look that way and I thought I heard a clang of metal hitting the floor or something..... Regardless it still failed miserably and that's why I buy mostly cold steel knives
I know it's late but I'm thinking the noise you heard was from the weights hitting that pallet they were suspended over when the lock failed
How much better does the BD1 hold against the AUS 8A edge retention wise im debating which coldsteel RAJAH 2 TO GET.
Weight has nothing to do with it, you were just going to use that as an excuse if the cold steel lost. You also keep talking about not having steel liners, it is the lock strength you are testing so the liners have nothing to do with it. Sure the cold steel is stronger, but strength is not the only reason to pick a knife.
Corpse Grinder Heavier knives are usually stronger than lighter knives, because they have more material to take the brunt of the force. The point Andrew is proving is that a supposedly weaker, lighter knife can perform way outside of its weight class capabilities. Why? By design, the lock itself is taking more of the force, not the handle. Proving a superior strength/weight ratio.
The liners are added for weight, which I particular like, and also for scale reinforcement. The lock may hold, but perhaps the handle (scales) may collapse. There are a plethora of knives from which to choose whichever one is best for them. After all, the best knife on the planet is the one "you" like the most.
steel liner does make a difference. if you take a look at different lock tests, a lot of the time the failure mode is through linear deformation. In this case tho steel liner would actually negatively influence the result as frp has higher shear resistance than steel.
If CS would make their knives in the USA, I'd pay the extra cost. I'd prefer to keep as much money as possible here rather than send money out to other countries!!!
Good to see this. I sincerely hope CS moves more of their production to the USA.
yes
+1845Raven I hope they don't. I have like 20 or more Cold Steel knives/items just because they are widely available in my country and not so expensive like most other brands. They are like 80% of my knife collection.
Good news, dude. They're got some entirely USA made knives in their lineup now.
I'm in a position were I can get Benchmade knives at cost, but I never will. Coldsteel for life.
I know this is late. I was really wondering if you guys plan on making a new push dagger. I have the mini one (cant remember the name its the smallest one) and its great except it has a sheraded edges on it. Also in my line of work i can not have a knife any bigger than the mini. Not even the next smallest because my boss says it could be a problem. I would just like to see the dagger in a normal edge
cs are very strong knives but i prefer benchmade ( so smoth mechanism )
I have tested the Bedlam with a spine tap 20 times with no failure. I would suggest that this test here may prove which knife passes this test, but the test has no relation to the lock performing during a self defense scenario. Beyond self defense, I have no idea when such a test would be relevant or even prudent. I have been in a self defense encounter, and I have had a knife lock fail. I always check the lock carefully now before I buy one. It probably is time to upgrade your tests like it is the prices given here. Nearly 5 years have passed, I understand.
Wow. wow. wow! What a test!
What is in andrews left pocket?
I know this is an obscure one, but what about comparing the Aus 8A 4" aluminum Ti-Lite to the Smith & Wesson (actually made by Taylor Brands, which includes Schrade, Old Timer, and Uncle Henry) Black Ops series of folders? I'm asking because I've had the serrated drop-point tanto model (SWBLOP3TS) for many years (okay, I bought it at a store and didn't know much about knives back then), and it hasn't failed me (I've done a lot of spine whacks and stabbed many things with it). It seems to have a decent liner lock, compared to other brands' liner locks. I am not sure how good the quality control, and thus consistency is, or if any of the newer Smith & Wesson branded liner lock folders have the same liner lock. I have never seen it tested, but I know that similar models are fairly popular at Knife Depot. Most similar models have a secondary safety, which through an unknown mechanism prevents the blade from closing even when the liner lock is depressed. Needless to say, I carry a Voyager now, but I would like to see if any company, especially a lesser known company, produces a halfway decent liner lock comparable to Cold Steel's.
What pistol are you packing bro? 1911
Remake the frenzy with thick handles same as the XL Talwar no milled out on top just flat like the Talwar. Would be way better then the super thin one. Prob still be under 8 ounces but badass.
Love the Bedlam
Test a Buck Marksman. Buck says "it is as strong as a fixed blade."
Nice shirt lol, and you should try the dpx gear hest folder with that special lock stabilizer
Why bedlam exposed longer loads than talwar? he two times longer under the weight :)
***** Obviously he is English-challenged, but I have no trouble understanding his question. He wants to know why you left the weight hanging on the Bedlam for longer than you left it hanging on the Talwar. Not too hard to understand that at all, if you want to understand it.
I said I understood his question, not his thinking.
+csknives Rewatch your video. You can clearly see the Bedlam is under the effect of the weight about 5 seconds before the Talwar each time you lower it.
***** I don't think it even makes much a difference honestly, but you said you don't understand why he would think that, but you can clearly see it in the video. I certainly don't think CS was doing it on purpose. I have no need to redo the tests anyway, the test has shown what it has shown. The Tri-ad lock can resist more force before it fails than any other lock out there. The question is, does it matter? Is anyone gonna actually use this much power on their knife? Is it more important than ease of deployment, blade steel, handle ergonomics, ect ect? I don't think so. CS doesn't really sacrifice any of these, especially after finally upgrading from AUS8, and generally makes good knives.
I'm not saying it isn't important, but I honestly don't think a blade will ever be exposed to that much stress in real use. And also, even if it was possible, I still would never consider that more important than blade steel, design, ease of opening (on which the axis lock is superior imo), ect. And also, if you needed that much lock strength, why wouldn't you just carry a fixed blade?
CS knives have always been my favorite. I got a Spyderco Paramilitary 2 last Christmas and I'm gonna be honest, I still prefer my Recon 1 Clip Point L.
BeenieBomb I sold two PM2, Talwar 4" is still often in my pocket.
Where can i get that shirt?
Do the cryo vs kudo
The Axis is a great design in theory, and proves it on the static test…but really trying to understand how it failed the whack test.
If you would like to donate the knives used in the test, I would be more than happy to take care of them ;)
Benchmade Adamas vs American Lawman?
talwar looks better in every aspect haha, but that axis lock is so butter :3
I think at one point I just will have to get rid off my Ontario Rat 1 and get something of better quality
***** It must be 3 years or so, I am quite young and it was my first knife with a liner lock
EvilBillRoasts definitely a good tool :)
***** I use it as an everyday carry, although it isnt allowed in my school but that doesnt matter to me. What are the differences between the rat 1 and 2 ?
***** thanks for the info, I will take a look :)
he got so red looked like he was about to go up in flames.haha
Next up: 2015 Cold Steel Recon 1 Tanto vs. Emerson Super CQC-7!
PLEASE bring back the Talwar 🙏!!!
Andrew what's in your pocket, it looks as it's the same one in several of your testing vids?? Sweet 1911 btw
I actually commented before I finished watching the video, but wow, that was the "fight" yet, with the weight hang at least.. I'm curious though, as I couldn't tell from watching.. were the Benchmades still working after each failure? I mean did the lock fail by "slipping" out of place on both tests, but afterwards still opened and closed alright? Also thanks for all the tests, they're very fun to watch. I will surely pick up a 2015 version Cold Steel sometime with the new steel and dlc coatings, so glad you guy finally upgraded those, they were the two things that keps me from truly loving Cold Steels' folders :)
BTW, I seriously envy your shop.. ya got a Hardcore Maximizer in the background and a KMG horizonal etc etc etc. (at least in the other vids). Man I would love to see a tour of your shop being a knifemaker myself. Although it might not have much to do with Cold Steel itself, I still hope ta see all the goodies in there sometime :)
***** Oh yea I agree 100% with ya on the saftey, I was just curious as to how it failed. Thanks :)
I wish you guys at Cold Steel still made your knives in the USA. It's a shame you can't get a good quality US made knife anymore.
Can you do the kunai
would love to see Vs a quartermaster, Extrema Ratio. These tests seem a bit handpicked. Sorry CS.
Robert Hill To be fair, the test was a success based on results and value.
EvilBillRoasts How about CS Voyager + Espada Vs Quartermaster Hannibal + Extrema Ratio Rao II.
Robert Hill
So, it's "handpicked" to compare two one-hand opening/closing knives? It's only fair if a one-hand opening/closing Cold Steel is compared to the slow, two-hand manipulated RAO/RAO II? As for Quartermaster, that would be a good laugh. It doesn't look to me like they've even held a real knife before, much less learned how to build one. But, maybe, just by chance, they make a better framelock than any other knife company, even if their QTR series looks like they took a band saw to real knife handles.
Andrew Tadsen Cold Steel - "comparing knives of similar size, weight, price or materials". Don't take it so personally Mr Tadsen. I'm just suggesting there are many other knives within the scope that CS suggested that would be suitable for these tests. The Vs tests seem to me to be from a small range of mainly US made knives, that could be "handpicked" for particular weaknesses they may have. I'm not suggesting any winner or loser, just that based on CS's own remit, there are other knives that CS could go up against and would make interesting tests. My Rao II opens very easily with one hand, as does my Nemisis and there are other ER knives (and not just ER), that fall within the CS remit. Just because you personally don't like the appearance of a particular knife, doesn't make it unsuitable for any test either. I'm pretty sure the people at Quartermaster have actually held a knife before.
Robert Hill
So you want to test the RAO without the pin in place? In that case, the test could be considered "fair", comparing similar knives, but I assumed that since you mentioned the RAO in particular that the idea was to test the Tri-Ad lock vs. the RAO with the pin inserted. Does the RAO have a legitimate claim to strength without the pin?
The really amazing thing is that I believe even CS's most inexpensive knives...the Kudu and Eland, can still pass these tests.
had a Kudu fail when stabbing a tire. Handle went "crack" and the blade flew off.
+Sasa Dafuq
Did Cold Steel replace it? Sounds like either the blade steel or the handle failed...not the lock mechanism. Also, remember, the KUDU is a $10.00 knife.
I have 3 KUDUS and 3 ELANDS. I use them to trim brush, in the kitchen, and I have even filleted fish with them, with no troubles at all.
I am not going to ask why you were stabbing a tire. but If I were going to do something like that, I would use something with a stronger point, like a Ti-Lite or a Tanto Voyager. Tires have steel belts in them.
+Joel Brothers Kudus are Okapi clones. Okapis are used in a knife combatives system called Piper.
Benchmade is the sig of knives. Their stuff is good no doubt but cold steel beats it out for less. Cold steel doesn’t just talk the talk, they walk the walk.
Why don't you bolt down the table so you don't need counterweights