Good catch my friend indeed that hum when you first open the throttle and introduce fuel into the combustion chamber is really unique, mind you i didn't realize that untill you pointed it out then my memories came rushing , the worst thing is you have to keep pressing the idle release button in case of a hot start, in my country it reaches an excess of 115degf in summer, that button leaves an imprint. 🤣🤣🤙🏼🤙🏼
with a composite made from carbon fiber nanotubes, I reckon they could. The drive mechanisms at their roots would probably have to be super-cooled (no crystals) titanium maybe.
People are failing to understand that future science and materials would provide for possibilities and physics that we don't currently understand... enough about the blades. We get it, you're a scientist.
The movie has giant spaceships hovering around in the planets atmosphere with no sign of any 'motive force'...and you are like ooh scientists ruin everything, the entire modern world was brought to you by science...fool!
@@randomnickifyI had one. They're wonky, but they do fly. If the concept of copying the dragonfly were perfected I think something like this would be possible. It would probably have to be almost all carbon fiber or something.
The amount of force that thin would transfer into the ground, let alone the people in the damn thing. Standing anywhere near it would be a deeply unpleasant experience.
in the dune universe they use bio engineered mollusc muscles to get enough power and energy to move the blades and they are made out of a futuristic material with enough flex and rigidity that it can take the normal and sheer forces that they would have to endure, pretty practical and awesome if you ask me, also to the nerds saying the blades would need to rotate they literally do you can see it in the start up motions of every ornithopter in the movies
But dragonfly's heads (not body) tend to remain extremely stable irl while they hover around so I think @concordegaming5037 is right about the vibration cancellation. Obviously, a dragonfly is much smaller than a thopter but we can hope the future will have insanely precise machining that prevent even the slightest aberrations in balancing the vibrations.
imagine the kind of beating these materials would take having these massive wings go back and forth like this? the machine would just fall apart in seconds.
I understand whoever designed this fictional aircraft was probably not an engineer, but I would hope they would recognize that the fact these blades have to change direction dozens of times per second would lead to a very inefficient aircraft!
Fiction is called fiction cause its not meant to reflect reality. Realism is just a seasoning that adds depth to stories and specifically stories. for the fictional world itself its not an inherent necessity. Most people are probably vaguely aware that a dragon fly aircraft would be inefficient realistically but its damn cool much like mechs, plasma weapons, and light sabers. We choose to ignore realism in certain areas of fiction, we’re not suggesting that such vehicles could actually be built.
@@lockheedx33 yeah i know they bend to "aerodynamic" when flap up but still push alot of air up compare to propeller which doesnt push any air forward at all. not to mention vibration.
The name ‘Ornithopter’ was the invention of Science Fantasy author Micheal Moorcock, he introduced this Dark Empire flying machine in the Hawkmoon novels in the 1960’s. Probably the greatest story ever told, why it’s never been made into a major feature film I’ll never know.
Loved those. Aral Vilson, Supreme God of Granbreton, King Huon, the Order of the Beasts, the Tragic Millennium. Post-apocalyptic mainly SF with some strong fantasy elements, all tied up in the endless reincarnations of the Eternal Champion.
@@tonyarmstrong4843 Yeah, you can pinpoint when the nukes started flying from that reference, presumably he was the last PM. Also mentioned are the Wailing Gods, Churshil and Adolf. It's an interesting future. Horses and swords for the armies with no gunpowder but you find things like flame lances and they have dimensional travel & mind control devices. I don't have them anymore, but used to have the Erekose, Elric & Corum books. Corum seemingly set in the far past in an alternate Earth.
could you ever imaging the engineering that was done if this was a true bird to fly. how the props would stand the friction and how the material involved so this craft would be possible.
Just imagine what the USofA defense and security technology agencies are really doing in their various skunkworks labs…. Imagine an insect-sized drone device, or even swarms of them, with self propelled power, being able to infiltrate any location, listen-in and/or selective deliver a microscopic payload to/for/against whoever it has been targeted, using nanotechnology marking of scent, or other biometric marker… the future is likely already here
I can't imagine the maintenance of that thing to make it fully operational every time. That's at least pushing a thousand horsepower to a hinge that only moves up and down. It almost sounds impractical.
It’s inefficient as well, and not much practical advantages, like a piston engine with giant pistons. Severe vibration would be inevitable impossible to balance wing reactions and turning moments.
A very dangerous flying machine, especially in the area of the tips of the blades, when they are completely invisible during operation. One wrong step and you're swept away like a fly...
I want a REAL construction and attempt of this. I want to know if materials in this planet can take that level of vibration and oscillation. I want to know what type of motor is needed to perform this. PLEASE, someone try. I am deeply curious. ;3
As an aeronautical engineer, this video scares me to death. There are a 1000 good engineering reasons why this thing will never evolve more than movie cartoon.
That type of motion on an aircraft of that size, if possible, would need more vertical stabilization of the wings and so much more reinforcing at the hubs. We aren't there yet. That much flex of flight gear would create an incredible amount of heat in the moving parts. Especially the "wings" as they can't be called rotors. Which would fail VERY quickly.
the motion blur is so nice, but the sound is too earthlike. You should add a low rumble (thopters should not have turbine engines because they would eat all the sand in the air) and a quad bass increasing frequency, much like the wings on a bug and the rotors of helicopters, they sound like bug wings just that their frequency is slower.
This is not an ornithopter! From Greek ornith - 'bird'. An ornithopter is a device that imitates the flight of a bird. This device imitates the flight of an insect. Therefore it should be called Entomopter.
Another thing bothers me about the new Dune movies, Frank Herbert's description is not a insect like machine but a bird like one. It supposed to flap its wings...
Sadly we will never be able to see these IRL, the wings would rip themselves apart from the g-forces applied, and the whole vehicle would literally vibrate itself to pieces.
Ok the visuals are good, but that engine sound is just a normal helicopter. And the sound the actual ornithopter makes in the movie is so much better…😩
Being inspired by nature is not enough. It should be taken into account that an insect weighing a few grams has different flight laws than a combat vehicle weighing several tons. Especially when it comes to frequency of oscillations, strength of materials, etc..
I fly helicopters for a living, and I recognize the engine sound used in this video as that of an Allison 250-C20B engine.😄
I called that out right away and laughed.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nice view
DORK!
Good catch my friend indeed that hum when you first open the throttle and introduce fuel into the combustion chamber is really unique, mind you i didn't realize that untill you pointed it out then my memories came rushing , the worst thing is you have to keep pressing the idle release button in case of a hot start, in my country it reaches an excess of 115degf in summer, that button leaves an imprint. 🤣🤣🤙🏼🤙🏼
Beautiful visuals. This also shows the power of good sound design. The sound designers in Dune are brilliant.
No way the blades could ever do that in real life. Really cool thing for a movie though. GO DUNE!!
@Josh El even if they could, maintenance would be hell
@@m.w.6817 Benefit of the series taking place 9000 years in the future is you can just say "space metal" and I'll believe it lol
Not yet.
with a composite made from carbon fiber nanotubes, I reckon they could. The drive mechanisms at their roots would probably have to be super-cooled (no crystals) titanium maybe.
It also wouldn't fly. Wings have to rotate so the up stroke has the front of the wing cutting through the air.
People are failing to understand that future science and materials would provide for possibilities and physics that we don't currently understand... enough about the blades. We get it, you're a scientist.
It could work, you just need thousands of little 10cm blades and some very clever software.
Yeah
But it is possible
Revelations:" they appear as dragonflies with tails as scorpions that sting"
The movie has giant spaceships hovering around in the planets atmosphere with no sign of any 'motive force'...and you are like ooh scientists ruin everything, the entire modern world was brought to you by science...fool!
impressive work , how did you get such level of quality motion blur ?
Thanks, it's just "regular" mb. The trick is to have a slightly irregular beat pattern.
i would think that will be the trick, creating a harmonic resonance for the motion instead a pure mechanical interface.
My brother can do that: visual effects for the movie biz. He's worked on every Marvel movie since Ironman.
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Is this even possible as a RC version. I doubt it could get off the ground.
But the model as quality and style looks amazing.
There are flying rc Ornitopters on youtube, not the Dune version but there are already rc dragonflies so we are half way there. 😀
@@randomnickifyI had one. They're wonky, but they do fly. If the concept of copying the dragonfly were perfected I think something like this would be possible. It would probably have to be almost all carbon fiber or something.
The amount of force that thin would transfer into the ground, let alone the people in the damn thing. Standing anywhere near it would be a deeply unpleasant experience.
in the dune universe they use bio engineered mollusc muscles to get enough power and energy to move the blades and they are made out of a futuristic material with enough flex and rigidity that it can take the normal and sheer forces that they would have to endure, pretty practical and awesome if you ask me, also to the nerds saying the blades would need to rotate they literally do you can see it in the start up motions of every ornithopter in the movies
I imagine a lot of internal vibration for the passengers.
The blades kinda cancel each other’s vibrations out. One set moves up while the other moves down, and vice versa.
it would still do the vibrations even tho it have the cancel effect,
another cause is the tension of all the moving parts
But dragonfly's heads (not body) tend to remain extremely stable irl while they hover around so I think @concordegaming5037 is right about the vibration cancellation. Obviously, a dragonfly is much smaller than a thopter but we can hope the future will have insanely precise machining that prevent even the slightest aberrations in balancing the vibrations.
Rabban: GO!!!
Also Rabban: WHY IS NOT FLYING!!!??
That would be sick!
imagine the kind of beating these materials would take having these massive wings go back and forth like this? the machine would just fall apart in seconds.
Not with material that have a variable controlled subatomar bonding
I thought it wasn’t so much the blades beating, as an induced harmonic resonance.
legends say that the engines are still priming and the hopter is readying for take off..
Wow! incredible!
I understand whoever designed this fictional aircraft was probably not an engineer, but I would hope they would recognize that the fact these blades have to change direction dozens of times per second would lead to a very inefficient aircraft!
Похоже это принцып стрекозы
Not just inefficient, if accident happen.. one of the blades will go stray, no second chance for the passengers..
"Iiiiimaaaagiiinnaaattiiioooonnnn"
@@joshreyes3624 believe me, I get it. I imagine stupidity very well.
Fiction is called fiction cause its not meant to reflect reality.
Realism is just a seasoning that adds depth to stories and specifically stories. for the fictional world itself its not an inherent necessity.
Most people are probably vaguely aware that a dragon fly aircraft would be inefficient realistically but its damn cool much like mechs, plasma weapons, and light sabers.
We choose to ignore realism in certain areas of fiction, we’re not suggesting that such vehicles could actually be built.
I think you nailed it
Well, let’s assume for the sake of argument that blades COULD be made to move as shown. Would the thing then be able to fly?
if it flap fast enough yes , but they also push a shit load of air upward too
@@VJETRA Not as much if they move like insect wings do, there’s more than just up and down.
@@lockheedx33 yeah i know they bend to "aerodynamic" when flap up but still push alot of air up compare to propeller which doesnt push any air forward at all. not to mention vibration.
Actually, from the Battle for Dune, that fly-like flying mechanism was from Harkonnen's. Atreides flight flocks the wings like a bird
Is it actually any better from our best helicopters?
The name ‘Ornithopter’ was the invention of Science Fantasy author Micheal Moorcock, he introduced this Dark Empire flying machine in the Hawkmoon novels in the 1960’s. Probably the greatest story ever told, why it’s never been made into a major feature film I’ll never know.
Loved those. Aral Vilson, Supreme God of Granbreton, King Huon, the Order of the Beasts, the Tragic Millennium. Post-apocalyptic mainly SF with some strong fantasy elements, all tied up in the endless reincarnations of the Eternal Champion.
@@mannydavis7708 Nice to hear from another reader. Moorcock devised the name ‘Aral Vilson’ from the 1960’s British Prime Minister, Harold Wilson.
@@tonyarmstrong4843 Yeah, you can pinpoint when the nukes started flying from that reference, presumably he was the last PM. Also mentioned are the Wailing Gods, Churshil and Adolf. It's an interesting future. Horses and swords for the armies with no gunpowder but you find things like flame lances and they have dimensional travel & mind control devices. I don't have them anymore, but used to have the Erekose, Elric & Corum books. Corum seemingly set in the far past in an alternate Earth.
@@mannydavis7708 I still have every novel that MM wrote, right from the first one I bought in the early 1970’s.
could you ever imaging the engineering that was done if this was a true bird to fly. how the props would stand the friction and how the material involved so this craft would be possible.
My friend in school had big ears and could wiggle them...
@@matthewdavidjarvis6039 --only when "no one was lookin' "
Это лучший комментарий к данному ролику.
Just imagine what the USofA defense and security technology agencies are really doing in their various skunkworks labs…. Imagine an insect-sized drone device, or even swarms of them, with self propelled power, being able to infiltrate any location, listen-in and/or selective deliver a microscopic payload to/for/against whoever it has been targeted, using nanotechnology marking of scent, or other biometric marker… the future is likely already here
What an expensive way to fatigue test the blades 😢
Wow! this would be a GREAT project for A.I. to figure out.
A giant insect my biggest nightmare
hi i am working on one project can you help me with this amazing wing motion its look very real
I'm guessing it would create very high vibration
I can't imagine the maintenance of that thing to make it fully operational every time. That's at least pushing a thousand horsepower to a hinge that only moves up and down. It almost sounds impractical.
But how can a dragonfly fly so well?
Что-то мне подсказывает, что нет пока таких материалов у человечества, чтобы крылышки не развалились от такой нагрузки...
в кабине пилоту тоже не айс будет.
А в чем вообще смысл таких лопостей?
@@ИгорьВ-в1р условия эксплуатации.
У вертушек в пустыне, например у американских, ресурс лопастей снижается раз в 10. Песок тупо сжирает лопасти.
It’s inefficient as well, and not much practical advantages, like a piston engine with giant pistons. Severe vibration would be inevitable impossible to balance wing reactions and turning moments.
@@davidgriffiths7696
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A very dangerous flying machine, especially in the area of the tips of the blades, when they are completely invisible during operation. One wrong step and you're swept away like a fly...
Bro, you do realize that it's fictional right?
@@tracerhax fictional, yes. Physically possible, also yes. Having unique superbright lights on the tips of the wings would help with visibility
Wow.. how much tension its have?
Could you do a custom animation?
i think it should sound more like a firefly and not a regular heli, cuz of the different shape of the blades
I have used this in MSFS (Microsoft Flight Simulator)
Ornithopters would probably be good transport for oil mining facilities when we reach Titan (the moon of Saturn with literal oceans of liquid methane)
Dune?
🌹 GOOD JOB FAIR
Trippy, like a dragonfly
Did you get your inspiration from a Dragon Fly? 😀
hey fun fact, ornithopters are powered my giant mollusks
facts
Don't let Brandon see that he will think it's a giant dragonfly
If these wing start flapping like this in real life, they would end up in a disastrous shattering.
Impressive, but how did I end up here?
А вибрация на корпус не передаётся, да?
Нет
@@МуслимМуслимов-г8е фантастика?
@@Skiminok60 да
Рука-лицо, чо.... Уж лучше на каменных ступах летать.....
I want a REAL construction and attempt of this. I want to know if materials in this planet can take that level of vibration and oscillation. I want to know what type of motor is needed to perform this.
PLEASE, someone try. I am deeply curious. ;3
As an aeronautical engineer, this video scares me to death. There are a 1000 good engineering reasons why this thing will never evolve more than movie cartoon.
That type of motion on an aircraft of that size, if possible, would need more vertical stabilization of the wings and so much more reinforcing at the hubs. We aren't there yet. That much flex of flight gear would create an incredible amount of heat in the moving parts. Especially the "wings" as they can't be called rotors. Which would fail VERY quickly.
Good animation with unscientific imagination...!!
Can such wings flap that much? Can they really fly in real better than conventional helicopters??✌️✌️✌️
I think it can only work when you get down to quantum scale like insects. This would be subject to Newtonian mechanics and would rip itself apart.
the motion blur is so nice, but the sound is too earthlike. You should add a low rumble (thopters should not have turbine engines because they would eat all the sand in the air) and a quad bass increasing frequency, much like the wings on a bug and the rotors of helicopters, they sound like bug wings just that their frequency is slower.
How to remove fillings
I can almost feel the metal fatigue
This is the one from dune innit?
Looks cool in movies, but that thing with shake itself apart
Modern 5th generation designs now learn from nature, and barns are no exception. I think that's possible
Now in water with a few design changes maybe.
That's really cool animation! I made a 3D Ornithopter too on my channel.
Very nice. 👍
War thunder april fools event remake is looking nice
that defies the rules of physics ., the ends of wings that heavy or that long could not fluxuate that fast .,
Судя по звуку, двигатели всё ещё газотурбинные. ))
им не нужно компьютерное управление.
That wing movement was tested several hundreds of years ago and it didn’t work … 😂
This is in MFSF now
It's moovie, dune ?
is the audio from arma 3?
Iirc, it's some machine audio from freesound which I tweaked to be a bit more sfi-cish...
Очередной шедевр по способу "как убиться дорого".
Илон Макс вкурсе?
This is not an ornithopter! From Greek ornith - 'bird'. An ornithopter is a device that imitates the flight of a bird.
This device imitates the flight of an insect. Therefore it should be called Entomopter.
🤓
That would make way more noise. Baby engine!
The spice must flow
almost as insane and impractical as the Osprey .
And there it will remain for all eternity 😂😂. It will never lift 1 inch frim the ground, maybe if a bomb explodes nearby.
I really wish mcfarlane toys would do a kick starter for this to be a toy line.
The wings will scatter at even 1 percent of power that needs to take off.
Дюна?
Another thing bothers me about the new Dune movies, Frank Herbert's description is not a insect like machine but a bird like one. It supposed to flap its wings...
if this is real, good work.
Sadly we will never be able to see these IRL, the wings would rip themselves apart from the g-forces applied,
and the whole vehicle would literally vibrate itself to pieces.
Enough prototyping let's get started!!
From Dune Movie
Looks like an overgrown dragonfly.
Шум то не от этой КАРЕТЫ , от вертолёта..
¿Por qué c*ños tendrá que sonar totalmente cómo un helicóptero?
very cool but missing particle system for sand
Yes, that's the next step.
With particle sand ruclips.net/video/M055qANKq7I/видео.html
when flaping motion has a turning sound xD
RUclips reads minds
Does it actually work?
Not on THIS planet but, the multiverse is vast so... 😏
Wings kinda remind me of a recipricating saw.
когда с фантазией совсем беда :)))
This is an ornithopter from the movie Dune.Start-up😂
Ok the visuals are good, but that engine sound is just a normal helicopter. And the sound the actual ornithopter makes in the movie is so much better…😩
Mommy, I want one!
неполетит.
у пчел крылья разворачиваются и набегают и так 400 раз в секунду. поэтому крытья прозрачные
we don't have this kind of material, everything would blow apart
Smart materials, maybe?
Дюна, хороший фильм! 😁😁
Didn't lift off since there was no atmospheric air!
Galaxian?
Being inspired by nature is not enough.
It should be taken into account that an insect weighing a few grams has different flight laws than a combat vehicle weighing several tons.
Especially when it comes to frequency of oscillations, strength of materials, etc..
These blades will create turbulence, vortices in large amount