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The Real Life Dune Ornithopter... it was French!

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Комментарии • 891

  • @TheEnrieb
    @TheEnrieb 5 месяцев назад +590

    I can imagine an ornithopter working as a really tiny insect sized drone designed to infiltrate buildings. I cannot imagine it working as a normal sized drone or even aircraft due to air density, mechanical stress and gravity.

    • @dorsk84
      @dorsk84 5 месяцев назад +36

      If I'm correct. The wing tips would be super sonic.

    • @KlaxontheImpailr
      @KlaxontheImpailr 5 месяцев назад +15

      This reminded me of the hunter-killer scene in the movie.

    • @darthquigley
      @darthquigley 5 месяцев назад +24

      Ornithopters can at least scale up to normal drone sized. For example, the various robot birds and bats Festo has made over the last few years.

    • @JDubzDrumz
      @JDubzDrumz 5 месяцев назад +6

      There are ornitophter drones. 😅 They actually can fly far longer because of the gliding affect. 🤷🏻‍♂️ if you don't believe me, there's one that looks like a parrot that I believe broke a flight record. 😅 I could be remembering incorrectly.

    • @wilmersandstrom2826
      @wilmersandstrom2826 5 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@JDubzDrumzI think that he might be referring specifically to the dragonfly style design rather then any design with flapping wings.

  • @Onezmhu
    @Onezmhu 5 месяцев назад +1542

    Least crazy french design be like:

    • @ommsterlitz1805
      @ommsterlitz1805 5 месяцев назад +22

      it works often though the stato reactor (scram jet) are now working technology for exemple

    • @hamaljay
      @hamaljay 5 месяцев назад +8

      Fo Chauchat (Show-sha the French machine gun).
      Chauchat (Show-sha)

    • @lucasread1743
      @lucasread1743 5 месяцев назад +1

      😂😂😂😂😂

    • @treanttrooper6349
      @treanttrooper6349 5 месяцев назад +19

      I see your crazy Frenchman, and raise you One British Submarine with a FIXED 305mm gun

    • @ommsterlitz1805
      @ommsterlitz1805 5 месяцев назад

      Ever heard about the even crazier Surcouf submarine carrying a plane and 2 turreted guns 😉👍@@treanttrooper6349

  • @SP-wk1en
    @SP-wk1en 5 месяцев назад +415

    I don't know about you, but when I'm designing a machine I try to include as many moving parts as possible.

    • @tangow371
      @tangow371 5 месяцев назад +39

      V 22 Osprey mechanics: 😰

    • @p99guy
      @p99guy 4 месяца назад +10

      @@tangow371fantastic they are… 100% problems free , are not.

    • @Joesolo13
      @Joesolo13 4 месяца назад +7

      @@tangow371 tbf any VTOL is going to have way more moving parts than something that just flies normal. Much less a tilt rotor. Only so much you can trim

    • @RazorsharpLT
      @RazorsharpLT 4 месяца назад +1

      @@tangow371The Osprey is still magnificient.
      Less accidents than happened with either the blackhawk or the Chinook.

    • @RazorsharpLT
      @RazorsharpLT 4 месяца назад +1

      Actually - a flapping motion has much less open spaces than a rotating one.
      It's actually quite better in sandy conditions than anything rotor or tilt rotor based.

  • @weregarurumon3202
    @weregarurumon3202 5 месяцев назад +1278

    The Baguette must Flow

    • @sr7129
      @sr7129 5 месяцев назад +65

      Ouisan Al Gaib

    • @ARC282-wc4mt
      @ARC282-wc4mt 5 месяцев назад +80

      He who controls frogs, controls Paris

    • @HariSupriono
      @HariSupriono 5 месяцев назад +47

      Fre[nch]men

    • @Chris-zm6sc
      @Chris-zm6sc 5 месяцев назад +21

      @@HariSuprionoYou got it all.

    • @thegto8535
      @thegto8535 5 месяцев назад +15

      As a frenchman i say hell yeah to that ! 🤣

  • @joshuabessire9169
    @joshuabessire9169 5 месяцев назад +108

    Alternate reality where young Prince Napoleon and his mother escape to the Algerian desert in one of these, to lead the locals in a fight against his ancient enemy, House Hohenzollern.

    • @devanis
      @devanis 4 месяца назад +16

      he is the Baguette al Ghalib

    • @normtrooper4392
      @normtrooper4392 4 месяца назад +6

      Underrated comment

  • @discovolante6624
    @discovolante6624 5 месяцев назад +135

    2:00 im pretty sure a normal plane with a propeller would use far less energy than trying to flap 4 big wings at hi speed

    • @YourFriendlyOfficeAssistant
      @YourFriendlyOfficeAssistant 5 месяцев назад +22

      Looking at nature, Hummingbirds require insane amounts of sugar to stay alive too. Especially compared to otherwise similar birds that flap normally.

    • @jerrymartin7019
      @jerrymartin7019 5 месяцев назад +15

      Modern ornithoper prototypes in lab settings do actually appear to offer superior efficiency to propeller driven aircraft in certain situations, like at lower airspeeds. I don't know if their testing methodology is completely bulleproof because ornithopters are a really weird mix of biology and aero engineering and judging their effectiveness without a very sound understanding of both is hard, but their performance is at least comparable. The real advantage appears to be that you can achieve similar performance to a fixed wing prop plane while also being able to take off and land vertically.

    • @discovolante6624
      @discovolante6624 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@jerrymartin7019 you mean like if everything is set to the opposite so less efficient means more efficient then yeah ok i agree, also you have herd of a helicopter or a V 22 osprey right? if not, these 2 aircraft can also take off and land vertically, id also like to add that if it were possible for birds to have propellers they would because it just makes more sence

    • @MadScientist267
      @MadScientist267 4 месяца назад

      It would but hey

    • @MadScientist267
      @MadScientist267 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@discovolante6624Is there a dictionary somewhere with the word "sense" intentionally misspelled? And is it in Texas?

  • @taitano12
    @taitano12 5 месяцев назад +878

    So it sounds like the orthinopter is a kind of ornithopter.

    • @LittleManFlying
      @LittleManFlying 5 месяцев назад +13

      What tipped you off?

    • @taitano12
      @taitano12 5 месяцев назад +39

      @@LittleManFlying The landing gear.

    • @smithtorreysmith
      @smithtorreysmith 5 месяцев назад +11

      Let’s not be squares here.

    • @Ass_of_Amalek
      @Ass_of_Amalek 5 месяцев назад +102

      @@smithtorreysmith one being able to read a four syllable word in the right order of syllables when it's the name of the topic of a youtube video one is making is not a high bar.

    • @Southwest_923WR
      @Southwest_923WR 5 месяцев назад +39

      Stopped at 03::29 to check comments and see if I was only one caugt that!
      Carry on, people.

  • @dash8brj
    @dash8brj 5 месяцев назад +208

    the problem with these type of aircraft is a dragonfly doesn't scale nicely. We as human's weren't destined to fly, and lifting our weight into the sky takes a lot of effort. Thats why propelling hundreds of us im metal tubes needs a pair or two of big engines to do so. The mechanics of an ornothopter just doesn't scale. theres lots of moving parts that can easily break down either from metal fatigue or simple failures such as a busted linkage etc. Plus it would be a horrificly uncomfortable ride; with all that vibration being mechanically linked to the fuselage.

    • @darktengu77
      @darktengu77 5 месяцев назад +1

      100% this

    • @gabrielskoczek7092
      @gabrielskoczek7092 5 месяцев назад +7

      100% my thoughts. Scaleability is always the biggest hurdle. + how do you steer it? how do you even create lift with it just flapping up and down. Pretty sure a dragonfly can also rotate it a little in the axis n stuff. Biology is complicated and introducing so many moving parts its just inefficient.

    • @elmeril2203
      @elmeril2203 5 месяцев назад

      Could see this as a real craft used by special forces in military, IF it can be made like the one in Dune, but cant see it ever being used as a passenger airplane

    • @dash8brj
      @dash8brj 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@elmeril2203 Imagine being a soldior in the thing though. Those wings beating up and down, transversing from up stroke to down stroke (to actually generate any useful lift) would make for a very uncomfortable ride! I'd rather spemd my time snoozing in a C130 than being shaken half to death in a flappy plane :)

    • @nomadrc6036
      @nomadrc6036 5 месяцев назад +1

      Exactly, this design at the scale in this movie will never happen. Too complex, materials that can't take the insane fatigue cycles, the need for extreme vibration cancelling measures. It's ridiculous especially when other flying craft designs could accomplish the same or better flight with less complexity and greater reliability.

  • @Timbhu
    @Timbhu 5 месяцев назад +139

    The way he says ornithopter differently each time 😂

    • @raymondthumper2267
      @raymondthumper2267 5 месяцев назад

      He's a robot and only says what the idiot driving the channel with a dodgy spell check tells him to say.

    • @andrewholdaway813
      @andrewholdaway813 4 месяца назад +3

      ​@@crackedemerald4930
      No he just can't read.
      His best work is turning _UTIAS ornithopter number 1_ into _UTIAS orthanopter no one._

    • @user-xk2bo8bj8d
      @user-xk2bo8bj8d 4 месяца назад +5

      You should hear him say messerschmitt😂

    • @Onezmhu
      @Onezmhu 3 месяца назад +1

      @@user-xk2bo8bj8d messerschmitt is easy asf to say even for non german speaker tbh, i'd like to ear him say bayerische flugzeugwerke 😂

  • @OscarNassar1
    @OscarNassar1 5 месяцев назад +45

    5:23 those wings were trying to warn the french about the Germans 😂

    • @JackTravels4
      @JackTravels4 Месяц назад

      I thought the exact same thing 💀

  • @DraconixDG
    @DraconixDG 5 месяцев назад +168

    The baguette thopter was not what I expected

    • @theumbreon1.0
      @theumbreon1.0 5 месяцев назад +7

      A fellow war thunder player I see

    • @DraconixDG
      @DraconixDG 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@theumbreon1.0 yes, a bit more than that since my soul is chained

  • @Hatzi89
    @Hatzi89 5 месяцев назад +62

    the shape of the broken wings at 5:32 is.... ironic

    • @Nacoli_Tomahawk
      @Nacoli_Tomahawk 5 месяцев назад +7

      Foreshadowing

    • @intel386DX
      @intel386DX 4 месяца назад

      WOW 😂😅 this machine was a crystal ball for the feature prediction

    • @Cherburr
      @Cherburr 4 месяца назад +2

      Looks like a old Germany Symbol 😂

  • @Tomartyr
    @Tomartyr 5 месяцев назад +36

    5:17 An experimental French ornithopter turning itself into a 'windmill' before the German invasion was definitely an omen.

  • @DocWolph
    @DocWolph 5 месяцев назад +26

    Flapping or oscillating Wings on aircraft are like legs on land vehicles. We know how they ought to work, but we do not know how to make them survive working or power them to operate them for a useful amount of time.

  • @reillygallagher246
    @reillygallagher246 5 месяцев назад +41

    Orthinopter sounds like an aircraft powered by bone 🦴

    • @josemitakodachirecruit2004
      @josemitakodachirecruit2004 4 месяца назад +4

      Fun fact according to the Dune lore, ornithopters are powered by a giant living mollusk bred to flap the wings

    • @gavinclark6891
      @gavinclark6891 4 месяца назад

      like a cartoon

    • @gavinclark6891
      @gavinclark6891 4 месяца назад

      lmfao he said orthinopter lmfao

    • @MrGemaxos
      @MrGemaxos Месяц назад

      Bone would be Ossis or Osteo as präfix. Ortho means straight or correct. Pteron is the wing , dont ask about the ino^^
      Now imagine again what that would be.
      A normal plain ;)

  • @protoworld9922
    @protoworld9922 5 месяцев назад +182

    Turned German for a moment there

    • @fattywithafirearm
      @fattywithafirearm 5 месяцев назад +11

      Thats what I thought

    • @user-pr2rr9sf8j
      @user-pr2rr9sf8j 5 месяцев назад +11

      Thats why Paris fell

    • @alphadawg81
      @alphadawg81 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@user-pr2rr9sf8j
      🤣

    • @Pixilated
      @Pixilated 5 месяцев назад +9

      @@thelettera582 i think he was talking about when the wings bent and kinda looked like a swastika 5:31

    • @thelettera582
      @thelettera582 5 месяцев назад

      @@Pixilated My bad, I did not see that

  • @brunol-p_g8800
    @brunol-p_g8800 4 месяца назад +10

    You’d be surprised by how many crazy French designs made it into today’s day to day life, to the point we don’t even think about it.
    From the jet engine, designed early last century when airplanes where made out of wood and fabric and that today powers airliners and fighter jets, to the statoreactor (ramjet), the pulsoreactor that powered the V1s, the quadrocopter that today everybody flies under the form of drones, the automobile, etc…

  • @cptmike05
    @cptmike05 5 месяцев назад +103

    Ornithopters are such a cool concept

    • @williamzk9083
      @williamzk9083 5 месяцев назад +6

      I think they'll make a come back. They clearly work but now we have the solid state autopilot and stability control systems to make it work as well as high power electric motors for control of wing flapping, articulation and warping. They will be VTOL and very quiet.

    • @harlyquin
      @harlyquin 5 месяцев назад +7

      @@williamzk9083 not sure about that, they would be less efficient, a lot more stress on the moving parts and who knows how loud it would be because there isn't a full scale working version

    • @alphadawg81
      @alphadawg81 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​​@@williamzk9083
      Energy efficiency and the ridiculously high inertial forces at the wings with every direction change at this speed negate your idea
      Thats why you dont see this on larger animals.

    • @williamzk9083
      @williamzk9083 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@alphadawg81 pterodactyls with wing spans of 10n/33ft and 250kg flew and leaped into the air. Only minimal Stresses would be involved. The inertia of the gentle downwards propulsive beat is arrested by aerodynamic lift itself. The wing then twist and rises gently under its own lift till at the top of the stroke when it descended da again. There would be no huge forces at the shoulder Joint

    • @kentl7228
      @kentl7228 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@williamzk9083The bigger an animal, the less it flaps. For good reasons. Large Pterosaurs would have hardly flapped in flight mode.

  • @vzlfkr
    @vzlfkr 5 месяцев назад +23

    I always find the way you said "Orthinopter" rather than "Ornithopter" is hilarious :D

    • @seadog915
      @seadog915 2 месяца назад

      I have a friend in his 70s is educated and pronounces aluminum as alunimum, cracks me up every time he does it but all his brothers say it the same!

  • @laggindragon7166
    @laggindragon7166 5 месяцев назад +61

    planes: fly
    helicopters: beat gravity into submission
    Ornithopter: full BDSM fetish with the air

  • @ashtonpadilla5269
    @ashtonpadilla5269 5 месяцев назад +26

    Pairs of counterbalanced "fixed-blade" wings, which oscillate upon a desmodromically driven crankshaft, will be more efficient both mechanically and in terms of weight, and will be substantially more manageable/reliable/durable, than a hinged or split wing ornithopter. Utilizing greater quantities of smaller wings and an additional axis of oscillation should further improve effective output, as the winglets form a larger "dynamically ducted" wing, and reduce losses to aerodynamic drag by "slicing" upwards into the air, and "beating" downwards against the air.

    • @aislemontecristo
      @aislemontecristo 5 месяцев назад +4

      Thanks, but I think you need to provide us with a diagram of what you just said. 😅

    • @sr7129
      @sr7129 5 месяцев назад +1

      I wish I spoke engineer but sounds awesome

    • @Ass_of_Amalek
      @Ass_of_Amalek 5 месяцев назад +6

      or you're totally wrong and wings actually work worse in air agitated by other wings ahead of them... which is what real life aircraft and racing cars' spoilers show to be the case. 😒
      ornithopter wings certainly do need to change pitch or be flexible to change pitch by yielding to air resistance, more on the upstroke, which seems to be one of the things you're suggesting, without that, an ornithopter is entirely hopeless. insects generally fly that way, as do hummingbirds (the latter are the flying animals most easily replicated in simple hovering flight by ornithopters). some birds and I think more so bats fly mostly in a sort of butterfly stroke swimming like motion that involves complex folding of the wings to pull them forward, which would be very difficult to replicate. and many like small songbirds actually use a really strange looking standard flying pattern in which they flap a few strokes to propel up and forward, then tuck their wings in and arc a bit up and then down again like a little torpedo, so they bounce up and down. ai reckon it's probably an adaptation that they're evolved to basically do for fun, while it serves the evolutionary purpose of being more difficult for a surprise attack from an aerial predator like a falcon to hit them.

    • @MrGrandure
      @MrGrandure 5 месяцев назад +4

      Desmodromes. I haven't heard that word since college....and a Ducati brochure talking about their desmosedice engine 😅

    • @davidburroughs2244
      @davidburroughs2244 4 месяца назад

      we need Thunderf00t in on this

  • @grahamtotte7133
    @grahamtotte7133 5 месяцев назад +20

    The shockwaves of the wing tips continually breaking the sound barrier would cause such vibration that any known material would never withstand this.

    • @DonPatrono
      @DonPatrono 5 месяцев назад +3

      it'd be basically the Thunderscreech all over again, except instead of a single (quite short, stout and rigid) propeller moved by a double engine connected to a single shaft, it'd be four independent wings with either two or four engines on a crank to move the wing up and down. Forget the vibrations on the wing itself, not sure any sort of engine would be able to withstand the stress of having to move a whole ass wing at basically supersonic speeds without wanting to jump out of the fuselage

    • @lukedogwalker
      @lukedogwalker 5 месяцев назад +3

      There have been a couple of prop driven designs whose propeller tips broke the sound barrier. The engines didn't explode, but the pilots suffered constant severe headaches from being bombarded by dozens of tiny sonic booms all the time.

    • @DonPatrono
      @DonPatrono 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@lukedogwalker a single design, the Thunderscreech, and it literally rattled the plane loose after a single hour of flight... assuming the test pilot could withstand the nausea that long

    • @lukedogwalker
      @lukedogwalker 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@DonPatrono I thought there was also a variant/prototype of the Wyvern that this was tried with, but was abandoned.

    • @9999AWC
      @9999AWC 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@DonPatrono the Tu-95's blade tips exceed the speed of sound. There's a reason it's infamously loud.

  • @keenheat3335
    @keenheat3335 5 месяцев назад +13

    the biggest benefit of elastic wing tip is that airbus don't have to pay extra for extra wide terminal. The price gone through the roof even if you wing span a few feet too wide. A lot design consideration end up need to accommodating airport pricing instead of pure aerodynamic performance.

  • @user-sv4zb1xb7z
    @user-sv4zb1xb7z 5 месяцев назад +13

    in the dune lore, the ornithopter's power actually comes from a clam opening and shutting rapidly inside the aircraft

    • @ExplorerLoki
      @ExplorerLoki 5 месяцев назад +1

      I don't know enough about Dune lore to say if that's true, but I know enough to say it's entirely plausible.

    • @angusmatheson8906
      @angusmatheson8906 5 месяцев назад +1

      Lolwut?! I don't remember that

    • @AcidGambit419
      @AcidGambit419 4 месяца назад +2

      This sounds totally plausible from someone who tried reading dune at too young and age and gave up

  • @gigachad1661
    @gigachad1661 5 месяцев назад +18

    French challenge: dont go crazy (extreme difficulty):

  • @jonny_vdv
    @jonny_vdv 4 месяца назад +3

    Between this ornithopter and the exaggerated tumblehome design of their pre-dreadnought warships, I have concluded that France is a Jules Verne fever dream.

  • @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886
    @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 5 месяцев назад +27

    Please make a video about flying AutoGyros. They are an overlooked underused technology.

  • @michaelfrench3396
    @michaelfrench3396 5 месяцев назад +30

    And I was always under the impression that insects like dragonflies and bees had one set of wings that they used for propulsion and one set of wings that they use for directional stability and changes.

    • @Cactusape
      @Cactusape 5 месяцев назад +3

      Huh, thank you. TIL that bees in fact have 4 wings and not 2 that I, mistakenly, had assumed.

    • @kentl7228
      @kentl7228 5 месяцев назад

      Flies have two wings. The other two have evolved into club like appendages.

    • @AssistantCoreAQI
      @AssistantCoreAQI 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@kentl7228
      Those Appendages, The Halteres, Still "Flap", But They're Utilized As A Form Of Inertial Stabilization System!

    • @kentl7228
      @kentl7228 4 месяца назад

      @@AssistantCoreAQI Incredible little animals in ways, and we spray and swat them.

  • @deptusmechanikus7362
    @deptusmechanikus7362 5 месяцев назад +7

    Oh yeah, vibration would **obliterate** those wings in moments.
    No matter what it's made of. Unless it's self-repairing, it's gonna experience a ton of stress fatigue very quickly

    • @Pavel_Poluian
      @Pavel_Poluian 5 месяцев назад

      It all started with James Pitts' "Sky Car" vibrating orthotopter umbrella, then the umbrella was closed with a dome and devices appeared according to the scheme of conventional electromagnetic vibrating speakers (membrane + inductance) - fragments of the membrane were found by a farmer in Roswell. Then they created piezoelectric thrusters, or with small dischargers on the surface (they glowed all over the body due to ionization of the air), and now they are planes with plasma propulsion panels (so they are angular - that is, with flat surfaces). Thousands of discharge cells are densely packed into motor panels - they shoot streams of plasma (railgun architecture - coaxial electrodes). The ionized air of the spark discharge is accelerated in the railgun chamber by the Lorentz force to enormous speeds - a kind of ramjet engine is obtained. 💥💥💥💥💥

  • @waymonstoltz5001
    @waymonstoltz5001 5 месяцев назад +9

    5:32 the ornithopters folded itself into a swastika

    • @sithlord6119
      @sithlord6119 5 месяцев назад +5

      It truly was a french plane ahead of its time. It surrendered before the war even started!

  • @zinckensteel
    @zinckensteel 5 месяцев назад +11

    Is it just me or does he keep saying "Orthinopter"? Check near 3:40

    • @aarala
      @aarala 5 месяцев назад +5

      It wouldn't be Found and Explained without him mispronouncing something important.

  • @quoniam426
    @quoniam426 5 месяцев назад +4

    The speed required by the flapping wings at this scale exceeds the speed of sound, which is impossible without breaking those wings. Microscopic drones are, on the other hand, perfectly feasable, imitating dragonflies.

  • @anotherbacklog
    @anotherbacklog 5 месяцев назад +9

    Instead of Arsenal Bird French is gonna build Arsenal Dragonfly

    • @chucku00
      @chucku00 5 месяцев назад +3

      _Arsenal Libellule, s'il vous plaît!_

  • @Happymali10
    @Happymali10 5 месяцев назад +3

    9:30
    Imagine being kinda scared of flying, braving it, looking out the window at altitude and seeing the wingtips flap around wildly

  • @jaynedavies2757
    @jaynedavies2757 5 месяцев назад +4

    The bird of pray would be cool. But could you imagine the panic of a nervous flyer, with the outer wings of the albatross, and probably why it was named after that bird too. Has the four times 20 living people panic thinking the wings are falling off lol. I would not like to be on it.

  • @LucasundAaron
    @LucasundAaron 5 месяцев назад +2

    one fundamental flaw alot people had with this concept:
    nature teaches us the fast flappers are all small and have no weight, insects or colibris.
    all heavier ones flap slow.
    Its really hard and against physics to try to apply small/weightless principles to a completely different scale.
    the austrian and canadians did the right thing and used the right principle for this scale.

  • @michaelfrench3396
    @michaelfrench3396 5 месяцев назад +2

    This is definitely your best video yet! I like how you looked at what worked in the old one as well as what didn't work. And then showed us how nature is being integrated into future aircraft design.

  • @DIREWOLFx75
    @DIREWOLFx75 5 месяцев назад +2

    "energy SAVINGS???"
    Uh, no, No and HELL NO!
    Do you have any idea how much energy is lost from flapping wings every time they're switching movement direction?
    Ridiculously much.
    And the same switch also causes massive force un the wing. Chances are BAD that wings will snap. Just as the French prototype did.
    And the problems becomes exponentially worse with every increase in size.
    To have any chance of working beyond micro scale, you also need to figure out how to not lose a huge amount of lift from every upthrust of the wings.
    Personally, if i wanted something fictional-ish with these kind of abilities? I'd much rather go with Airwolf.
    At least there, i can sort of figure out how to make it(supersonic helicopter) work in theory even if it's probably impossible in practice.

  • @specialagentdustyponcho1065
    @specialagentdustyponcho1065 5 месяцев назад +7

    You say "orthinopter" a *lot*.

  • @bavery6957
    @bavery6957 4 месяца назад

    In the 60's, we had balsa wood gliders with nose-weights to throw and balsa wood gliders with rubber bands to twist a propellor and store energy, then throw.
    As an Army Brat, my family was in W. Germany a lot. Toy stores over there had this rubber band-powered cellophane bird that would flap around in the air for a few circles.
    Pretty cool take on the rubber band-powered flying machine, imho, back then.
    I guess the toy was basically an ornithopter...

  • @user-jh6ik1qd7p
    @user-jh6ik1qd7p 5 месяцев назад +5

    can you do a video of the Coanda 1910 jet biplane? the first "jet plane" before ww1. It was made by the same guy who discovered the Coanda effect.

  • @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886
    @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 5 месяцев назад +25

    Ze Spice must flow, hon hon hon.

  • @patrickl2195
    @patrickl2195 5 месяцев назад +4

    Orthinopter?

  • @tophatpenguin9039
    @tophatpenguin9039 4 месяца назад +1

    kinda funny how the destroyed prototypes wings formed a Swastika like shape, almost foreshadowing for them lol.

  • @jamiejones7325
    @jamiejones7325 Месяц назад +1

    As biologist I know we STILL can’t figure the engineering dynamics and energy that allow insects let alone hummingbirds.
    Doubtful.

  • @paulrobertmarino7623
    @paulrobertmarino7623 5 месяцев назад +2

    I would thing rather than flex the wings would twist, on the down stroke they would be flat but on the up stroke the trailing edge would passively twist down, that would have the result of making them act like a propeller on the upstroke but lift on the down stroke. Mechanically this would be simple to implement and would put far less stress on the materials, though it would make it very loud as because the the bearing for the twisting motion would have to have have probably spring loaded stops to limit the movement.

  • @Theshropshireratter
    @Theshropshireratter 5 месяцев назад +4

    Imagine the tinnitus from that sound

  • @weareallbeingwatched4602
    @weareallbeingwatched4602 4 месяца назад

    With deformable wings, this design can not only overcome turbulence, but *exploit* it like an insect.

  • @monkeywithcandy5520
    @monkeywithcandy5520 5 месяцев назад +1

    A prototype called Riout 102T was built back around ww2 was built by the french

  • @darthquigley
    @darthquigley 5 месяцев назад +1

    I was just reading about the UTIAS Ornithopter recently. The bouncing up and down you mentioned near the end of the video is definitely an issue, especially at takeoff. Wings go down, fuselage lifts up, wings go up, fuselage slams down into the pavement. The landing gear is strong enough to take that, but it still lost a bit of speed every time that happened, which is why they needed to add a (very small) jet engine to finally make it fly.
    Should be less of an issue with the French one though. Two sets of wings moving in opposite directions would counterbalance each other.

  • @scottkellogg3502
    @scottkellogg3502 5 месяцев назад +1

    As others have said: "Sounds good! Doesn't work."
    Take a look at the rubber powered toy ornithopers available all around the world. They stay aloft for a fraction of the time that a rubber powered fixed wing toy plane does.
    Large flexing structures like flapping wings would put large stresses on the aircraft.
    The flapping mechanism would be far more complex and delicate than a helicopter's rotor's hub.
    In short it would be an underpowered, overstressed, maintenance nightmare used to duplicate things that we already have working fine.
    But, it Would look cool in CGI videos...

  • @gemlouiseperez2571
    @gemlouiseperez2571 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you Nick for featuring this video! 🙂👍 I remember asking you while you were in the recent Dubai Air Show if you're going to make a video discussing about the aircraft featured in Dune Films. Dream come true! 👏🙌

  • @sumpfiggaming69
    @sumpfiggaming69 5 месяцев назад +2

    im from Germany and i can really tell how you struggled with "Messerschmitt" you said it like Mesch scher schmitt :D Love your videos

  • @matthewkurniawan4081
    @matthewkurniawan4081 5 месяцев назад +2

    We finally have it the french version of Dune, Fune. Featuring a giant baguette worm

  • @Ryonin3627
    @Ryonin3627 4 месяца назад +1

    I die a little every time he says orthinopter

  • @BobAbc0815
    @BobAbc0815 5 месяцев назад

    Is it a Bird?
    Is it a Plane?
    Non, cest une Excemption Culturelle😂

  • @Fay7666
    @Fay7666 5 месяцев назад +2

    Isn't this the "flying plane" that NerdCubed showed off in one of his flight simulator videos a while ago?

  • @googull4778
    @googull4778 4 месяца назад

    Stationary and Rotating airfoils make sense because they maintain a constant direction and a steady resistance. Flapping wings abruptly stop and change direction several times a second. I don’t think there are materials strong enough to withstand that force and the vibration has to be insane. Dragonflies and bees buzz when they fly, imagine the buzz when it weighs a ton or more.

  • @ratze7723
    @ratze7723 4 месяца назад

    What do you prefer:
    1 - Getting thrown from side to side (ornithopter)
    2 - spinning in circles (helicopter)
    Result: heli blades don’t have to be as strong as ornithopters

  • @azesajukkaar7775
    @azesajukkaar7775 4 месяца назад

    Flapping wing aircraft must be a maintenance nightmare.

  • @53kenner
    @53kenner 5 месяцев назад

    If nature had managed to invent joints that could freely rotate, I imagine birds would have evolved propellers.

  • @ZacYates
    @ZacYates 4 месяца назад

    "Airbus is making ornithopters" - shows designs that are not ornithopters.

  • @noelhutchins7366
    @noelhutchins7366 4 месяца назад

    Casually observing that bugs' wings flap therefor fly, will never lead to manned flight; one would be better suited to observing a rower to determine flight-mechanics of flapping-wings: pivots on a rigid-wing would only toss the center of gravity repeatedly body-slamming the fuselage on deck. Wings would snap unless they bowed on every stroke, flapping angles would have to be pitched rolled swung and reversed twice per stroke.

  • @e_da_g2161
    @e_da_g2161 4 месяца назад

    Hearing “Brought to you by War
    Thunder” instead of Squarespace was like a slap in the face

  • @absolutechaos13
    @absolutechaos13 5 месяцев назад

    The funny thing is that this plane was not that far-fetched as it seems today. After all it wasn't that far removed from a couple of guys in a bike shop throwing an weak engine on a pile of fabric, wood, and wire and that flew.

  • @mathiaslist6705
    @mathiaslist6705 4 месяца назад +1

    1:35 and no --- there's no way a huge aircraft can fly like a small dragonfly --- air itself behaves different for larger objects and the most doubtful is the wing flapping frequency --- no way the wings would need to flap that frequent as even big birds don't do that

  • @strf90105
    @strf90105 5 месяцев назад

    waiting for some deranged military contractor to grab a poor dragonfly, stick probes in its brain, and stimulate it to think it's chasing a prey but the prey is controlled by the pilot's controls and the motor neurons control the vehicle wing flaps

  • @intel386DX
    @intel386DX 4 месяца назад

    In the nature the biggest flaing creature by rapidly flapping it's wings is Kolibry, other smaller ones are insects. So you there is no way to scale this principals on a scale. The Kolibry is the biggest it can get airborne.

  • @Acro642
    @Acro642 4 месяца назад

    Since we have a dragonfly like helicopter, now make a helicopter that looks like a beetle!

  • @rubix1694
    @rubix1694 4 месяца назад

    I already knew this thing would vibrate itself to death. There’s no way that could even be comfortable, even if it worked. I think if they had seen helicopters, they’d be like “Oh, let’s just do that.”

  • @francoisdunoyer4341
    @francoisdunoyer4341 5 месяцев назад

    Aeronautical engineer here:
    The biggest problem with the ornithopter is the acceleration that the wings will have, and the inefficience of the design
    Il a regular aircraft, the wings will endure only lift, a mostly continuous force that will create constraint not varying over time.
    In an helicopter, each blade will endure much more forces, mostly centrifugal. The lifting forces will also change slightly over the course of one rotation, but it will not create that much constraints. Finally, the rotor being balanced will reduce the efforts on the bearings of the blades. But overall, helicopter blades suffer way more than airplane wings, and because of that (and also a limitation from the speed of sound), they are limited in size, with the biggest helicopter being the soviet Mil Mi-26 with a rotor measuring 35m in diameter. Comparing this to the biggest airplane wings ever, the stratolaunch (+115m)
    Now flapping wings will create an acceleration in both upward and downward direction. If you flap your arm at great speed you will feel the effort varying over time, and it's a big problem. First, the bending of the wing will be huge because of this acceleration. Take a ruler with a hole and make it turn around said hole, you will not have any problems. Now make it flap at high frequency, and you will see the ruler flexing in each direction. That's a very bad thing for structure, they don't like to have a varying constraint like that. If you bend too much the small plastic thing of your pen, it will eventualy break, via a process named fatigue. Now considering a wing flapping 5 times per second for 15 hours of flight, and you will have 270 000 cycles, reducing the resistance of the material by 50% at least. Now imagine over a lifetime, and you will need very strong and heavy wings.
    Next is the controlability, each wings will need to turn around its own axis to be able to create lift like a bird do. So this axis will create a complex and heavy attachment, and another system that should wistand the constraints of this flight. In an helicopter it's already a nightmare, so i'm very affraid of that in a ornithopter.
    Then on a more practical note, have four flapping wings next to each other will be a nightmare for aerodynamics studies, and will create something difficult to control in vertical take of and landing, compared to a balanced circular rotor. Same in high speed, having four wings potentially breaking the sound barrier is not something that we want to do.
    Finally, the motorisation needed to move an entire wing will be huge (in a regular aircraft or helicopter, you need to consume motor power to overcome two things: rotor acceleration and drag. Acceleration is only needed at the begining and then it's only drag that needs to be balanced. On the other hand on an ornithopter, you will need to consume power each time you want to reverse the rotation of the wing. Just imagine an helicopter alterning the direction of rotation of its blade 5 time per seconds and you will see the difficulty of such things.
    Sure ornithopter did exist, and are today studied for small drone application, but the French ornithopter flyed basically cause it's a regular aircraft with wings, but the wings flapped instead of staying still. So an inneficient use of energy that finally killed the project
    And for the future project looking like a bird, it's not meant to flap wings. You can see the propeller to push the aircraft, and the feathers-like features are here to improve the air flow around wing tip, like today's winglet and sharklets on most civil airliners. There is no hinge at the wing root and this aircraft is to big to move their wings at great speed. Airbus's "AlbatrossONE" will not be able at all to take off vertically, it's not meant to and it's not possible at this scale with flapping wings
    So why birds flap their wings ? Isn't nature the best at finding the most efficient solutions ? Well, it is, but to a certain extend: it is impossible for any animal to create propellers, cause it will require a hinge able to do multiple rotations without any problem, and it is not possible. So the birds came with another great solutions: making the wings able to propel the bird. But it came with its own cost, and most big birds don't like to flap too often their wings, and would rather glide and soar. They are also limited in size, with the biggest known flying bird being 70kg in weight (argentavis magnificent, an extinct bird) and the largest flying animal may have been a pterosaur 12m in width and 200kg in mass, the size of the smallest planes that you can find.

  • @bongoosebondman7065
    @bongoosebondman7065 5 месяцев назад +3

    Ornithoptors will never be used as war-machine because the wing flapping will create too much noise and it will be less efficient. 👍

    • @FoundAndExplained
      @FoundAndExplained  5 месяцев назад +9

      But birds tho

    • @bongoosebondman7065
      @bongoosebondman7065 5 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@FoundAndExplained the way bird flies, it would create too much pressure on the pilot. But if controlled remotely then,it could be useful but the production cost would be a pain.

    • @SimonBauer7
      @SimonBauer7 5 месяцев назад

      ​birds are a lot lighter, so materials just arent up to it at our scale. yet. besides, we have jet engines.​@FoundAndExplained

  • @WayneKitching
    @WayneKitching 5 месяцев назад +2

    13:27 Surely it's the... OrNITHOPter Number One, not the No-one.

  • @jessiejames2155
    @jessiejames2155 2 месяца назад

    If we make an ornothopter for humans, You'll drop like a stone,
    when a wing, finally breaks...

  • @cccspwn
    @cccspwn 4 месяца назад +2

    The French has a rich history of aero engineering. Not many people outside of history buffs and engineers know this.

  • @saga_hee
    @saga_hee 5 месяцев назад +1

    Idk how will those wings for thos props materials would be but i have a feeling this is where graphene shines so well..

  • @Mondoblasto0
    @Mondoblasto0 5 месяцев назад

    It's a cool-looking concept, but at least for civilian aviation a pure ornithopter wouldn't work out. Notwithstanding the materials problem, safety of the passengers needs to be one of the highest priorities. Riout's ornithopter in the windspeed tunnel highlighted the problem: if the wings get screwed up, ALL the lift goes with it, unless there's some type of vertical thrusters to fall back on. A plane can at least glide.
    One could argue that a helicopter has the same problem, but all rotors have to do essentially is spin, not flap a large surface through the air. The wear and tear would be tremendous.

  • @marcbrasse747
    @marcbrasse747 5 месяцев назад

    The dragonfly is the closest analogy. The main problem is one of mass. The bigger the size the higher the involved masses become, in this case particularly because the length of a wing will speed up the tips very strongly even at low flapping frequencies. It’s a bit like the question why we do not have exoskeletons like insects. We would become incredibly heavy and breathing ducts in stead of lungs would be too inefficient. There simply is a scale limit for such solutions.

  • @user-zy9go1uy3v
    @user-zy9go1uy3v 5 месяцев назад +3

    How do you pronounce ornithopter wrong after Dune 1 and 2?

    • @ryanlunde575
      @ryanlunde575 5 месяцев назад +1

      And he said that the titular planet in the story is called Dune. It is not.

    • @PaulMcElligott
      @PaulMcElligott Месяц назад

      @@ryanlunde575Factual errors and wonky pronunciation are kind of his thing.

  • @ianray8823
    @ianray8823 4 месяца назад

    In the Dune universe there's no computers or internet to leak docs onto War Thunder

  • @Meisha-san
    @Meisha-san 4 месяца назад

    Not only do you need to worry about spinning blades & props with the other flying machines, this one will pile-drive you into the ground 🤯

  • @user-cf4kt7bk6s
    @user-cf4kt7bk6s 5 месяцев назад +1

    Man i love ur videos and you have rekindled my interest in aviation and other weird things!!! These videos keep me occupied and enthralled for hours on end well done you deserve a subscriber and keep up the good work!!!!

  • @jonnyb1990
    @jonnyb1990 4 месяца назад

    Say it with me: or-knee-thop-ter
    Otherwise all the orthinologists will be livid with you 😏

  • @azzlytheazzome
    @azzlytheazzome 5 месяцев назад +25

    LOL. You uploaded this as I was watching a documentary about jodorowsky's Dune.

    • @mundanestuff
      @mundanestuff 5 месяцев назад +1

      What an abomination that would have been. I had to stop watching when he said he was going to kill off Paul, lol.

  • @gardenlifelove9815
    @gardenlifelove9815 4 месяца назад

    The way an ornithopter would need to worl its wings are more in a figure 8 motion like how dragonfly do it.

  • @Ozone077
    @Ozone077 5 месяцев назад +1

    This is not an Ornithopter! From Greek Ornis means 'bird'. An Ornithopter is a device that imitates the flight of a bird.
    This device imitates the flight of an insect. Therefore it should be called Entomopter!

  • @sleat
    @sleat 4 месяца назад

    10:40 "Is it like a bee, with massive osculations?" Goodness-me, don't put your lips on it!

  • @flyswryan
    @flyswryan 4 месяца назад

    With 4 wings, 2 going up while 2 are going down, dampen any up and down motion of the fuselage, so your tummy should be okay.

  • @squishy._.8730
    @squishy._.8730 5 месяцев назад +7

    Watching a warthunder ad as im climbing at 20° in my XP55 in air RB

    • @georgearrivals
      @georgearrivals 5 месяцев назад +1

      Still one of the most OP props 😂😂

    • @Onezmhu
      @Onezmhu 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@georgearrivals nah the XP-55 is fine, it's the weird pusher prop, it's good but not OP. You're thinking of the XP-50, that's the OP one 😂

    • @georgearrivals
      @georgearrivals 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@Onezmhu No I’m talking about the ass ender, even with the nerf it still pulls energy out of its ass

    • @Onezmhu
      @Onezmhu 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@georgearrivals ah, i mean yeah it's kind of a UFO, but slightly less annoying that the xp 50

    • @squishy._.8730
      @squishy._.8730 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@georgearrivals it's nuts eating spitfire and bf109s for breakfast

  • @NateJones-tk9fb
    @NateJones-tk9fb 3 месяца назад

    I think we should be thinking more along the lines of check valves for the up stroke and down stroke. Allow air to pass thru the wing on the up stroke but seal in the down. I thing it would be easy to protoype.

  • @freemanz4051
    @freemanz4051 4 месяца назад

    Ossiliate? os-sil-ee-yate? Nope!
    Oscilate O-SI-LATE
    oscillator: os-si-lay-tor

  • @DoneDragon1
    @DoneDragon1 4 месяца назад

    This aircraft would have the highest kill count in its first manned flight lol

  • @thelostcosmonaut5555
    @thelostcosmonaut5555 4 месяца назад

    "Use the voice!"
    "enlève son bâillon!"

  • @EvanG529
    @EvanG529 5 месяцев назад

    I think it's pretty clear to anyone with a little engineering knowledge that no structure could survive the cyclic stresses of sustained flapping.

  • @preplife533
    @preplife533 4 месяца назад

    Dragonfly wings do not flap, they rotate forward and back in a mostly circular motion

  • @Cogitovision
    @Cogitovision 5 месяцев назад

    It seems pretty clear to me, and I'm not even an engineer, that the stresses on the wings changing direction so quickly would very quickly break something. Fixed wing aircraft only have the drag on the wing going in the same direction, and rotary wings always rotate in the same direction, so they are not constantly moving in one direction, then the opposite direction, several times per second. For fun, take a tape measure out and move slowly. If you only move it slowly, it will remain rigid, but if you move it faster, it will bend.

  • @DavidGentry-WebDeveloper
    @DavidGentry-WebDeveloper 5 месяцев назад +2

    I like how they mention it would "require an AI to fly an ornithopter" when if we look at nature, the inspiration was taken from a dragonfly, which has wing structures that are highly flexible and highly adaptive, as well as a pair of compound eyes with 30k lenses each and somehow they can process everything with about a million neurons. Seems like we have less of a tech problem and more of an efficiency issue, as they can react in 1/6th the time it takes for a human to blink so this is another situation where nature has found the most efficient pathway and still we have much to learn.

    • @user-sv4zb1xb7z
      @user-sv4zb1xb7z 5 месяцев назад +1

      In dune it's stated that there is no ai at all in their vehicles, the ornithopters are analogue

    • @mattelder1971
      @mattelder1971 5 месяцев назад

      @@user-sv4zb1xb7z Yep. That's pretty much a major plot point in the series of books.

  • @Ass_of_Amalek
    @Ass_of_Amalek 5 месяцев назад +27

    when you make a video about ornithopters but still can't say the word in the right order of syllables

    • @angusmatheson8906
      @angusmatheson8906 5 месяцев назад +1

      Ornthinopter ornithoptner lmao every time he says it wrong differently.

  • @Sierra-Golf-19
    @Sierra-Golf-19 4 месяца назад

    Serious question.
    What happens in the event of engine failure, a fixed wing aircraft can glide and a rotary wing aircraft can auto rotate. What would an Ornithopter do?

  • @harlyquin
    @harlyquin 5 месяцев назад +3

    10:28 but you said at 2:00 the flapping wing design would have advantages in energy savings over a fixed wing plane, so which is it?

    • @Oscarius
      @Oscarius 5 месяцев назад +2

      It has literally no advantages. The guy who made the video doesn't know what he's talking about

    • @harlyquin
      @harlyquin 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@Oscarius yeah, i noticed he cant read some of the words in the script he has been given either