How Never To Get Line Twist/Loops/Fluff With Fluorocarbon On Spinning Reels
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Randy gives a demonstration on how to correctly put fluorocarbon fishing line on a spinning reel so you don’t get any loops or fluff. This will eliminate the need for any Braided Line to fluorocarbon line leader ..#bassfishing #fishthemoment #fishing #fishthemoment #fishingline #braidedline #fluorocarbon
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The reason I use braid to fl is I can use different pound leader’s. Usually it’s 10# braid to 8-12# fl leaders.
Same here. I live in the Mid-Atlantic and I'm a multi-species angler and need a versatile set up. I only have so many spinning rods, and can't be changing my line every other week.
Appreciate the tips as always. I went through three different kinds of fluorocarbon after seeing some of your earlier arguments for this in videos. The last straw for me was spending the money on invizX 6lb. Installed line wet and correct direction as you showed here on 2500 and 3000 size reels. Even tried line conditioner. I just flat out could not get a decent result. It made fishing miserable with the line twist that would develop after the first couple casts. I was forced back to braid.
Anyone else out there unable to make this work?
First read my comment on how drag can put twist in your line. I'll have five or six rods on deck & the only rod with floro is for jerking, it does get me alittle deeper. It's mono on my other spinning rods.
I experienced so many problems with Fluorocarbon and Braid I finally decided to use only Monofilament. I thought, “I’m 69 and trying to catch a PB. I do not want to waste time messing w/line issues. I want to be fishing and Mono has always worked fine for me.” I don’t fish competitively, just therapy & fun from a kayak. Haven’t looked back and caught a new PB since. Mono & a spinning rig. Imagine that! It still works fine.
@@terrytresemer2864 I think mono is going to be where I end up. At least then I won't have to tie leaders.
Your point about reeling against drag does hit home a bit. I fought a 3lb spot on 6lb fluoro drop shot. I do remember it really being screwed after that. The other reels I did not do this on and still had a frustrating time with fluorocarbon.
I threw away 3 spools after doing the same thing. I have learned to balance leader and rod action to hook type. I can use braid for years! Just by switching leaders.
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I'm not crazy about fluorocarbon myself but do use it for jerk baits. Gets me alittle deeper! ONE other hint, if your on the water and get twist. I keep some bell sinkers with swivel attached of a couple different weights, remove the lure, tie on the swivel and make a couple of long cast. Real in the line in a slow pumping motion to get the twist out. Try it see how it works, beats responding .
*I was pleased with Trilene mono line **enjoyable.fishing** recommend performance (25 lb. test) because it offers smooth casting with no tangles/bird's nest in the spool. And, knots can be tied effectively with ease. I would recommend.*
I don't have braid to flouro on my finesse spinning reel...I use braid to mono, lol. I can't justify changing something that works so well for me. I use a medium power rod with a softer tip and combined with the mono; I get all the feel with great hook setting power. If straight flouro works best for you, then by all means keep at it. In my 4+ decades on the water, the one truth I've discovered is that different systems work for different anglers.
well said bro. 💯
I never got on the flouro band wagon and I haven’t had the problems everyone who uses flouro has with the knots broken a lil bitty nick in the line and it broke off or anything I love my mono and Braid to mono and I use a FG knot on my leaders no matter the size and I have never had a problem with it you just have to get everything good and tight and levean enuff to pull everything down good and tight before you trim anything down
Pro's are only fishing braid to leader because it's a "fad" and they know they will catch less fish, but reeaally want to be in the "fad" crowd LOLOLOL. Your trolling is getting good Randy.
Set your trolling motor on high drag the bare line behind the boat when you reel in no twist ,lube and tension
This is possibly one of the best examples I have seen on this topic.
You are a fountain of fishing knowledge sir
Love your videos we will have to agree to disagree on this one! It saves me a ton of money not switching my line three times a year and just running long leaders. I do respect your opinion though!
At the beginning of my fishing adventures, I was using fluoro on my spinning rod and it was terrible. Switch to mono, got frustrated with that, and then chance to braid and haven't had any problems with it. Going to try fluoro this year on my spinning rod to see what happens. It might have been me but that was several years ago when I switch over to braid. You all have a Blessed Day !!!
I always add an extra step to this. I use an old thick phone book, wet the pages with line conditioner and run the line through the middle of the book and then attach to rod/reel. It keeps tension on the line, treats it, and it casts like a bullet.
This is the coolest and smartest idea I’ve ever heard. Thanks for sharing!!!
I don't use leaders period. Just because some not so famous angler started tying different lines together years ago, the mob just followed and now it's just the norm on RUclips fishing videos. Whatever line I have on my reel is what's tied to the lure, period. I have caught many species of fish in the double digit range with just one line tied on. I am so gland that Randy stands against the mob mentality on issues like this. Thank you.
I run straight Pline 6lb - 8lb fluoro coated on my spinning reels and love it. The one thing I do to stop bird nesting, and such is right after my cast I raise my rod to up to let it straighten out any loops or kinks that might be in my line before I start reeling. This will keep you from creating a loop on the spool that will cause the birds nest on your next cast. I can't remember the last time I had a bad bird nest or such and I fish a lot.
I've been using straight flouro for years and never had any problems.....it's just what works for me 🐟
I have been fighting spinning reels and fluorocarbon line since it first came out . I am forced to use fluorocarbon on spinning reels to fish for smallmouth on Lake Erie because of its properties. It’s invisible, it has low stretch, it sinks which makes it a good choice for bottom bouncing lures. On the other side of the coin it is not user friendly. I suggest having several spools ready to go when you have a train wreck. Also buy the larger spools of line and go with the larger reel spools as this seems to help. When possible add a small barrel swivel to help remove line twist. Don’t make a cast until you have looked at the spool for a loop.
Randy ,. I took your advice and started using straight Fluro on my spinning reels last year and I have had little to no problems and I like it so much better then braid to Fluro ,, it’s so much easier fishing tournaments and not having to worry about re-tieing a leader knot or that knot failing and not having to carry multiple spools in my bag ,,
Just sold my son in law & his pal on straight fluro and got a jumbo spool gonna put ya to the test after years of braid to fluro thanks Randy!
A little tip for us weekend anglers who aren’t shot in the ass with gold or sponsorships. Use good ole Stren or Trilene XL mono on your spinning setups. Less break off’s, less twist and a lot less money than flouro.
Switched to this recently with amazing results. I now love using a spinning rod for jerkbait fishing and the flouro is so smooth! I love it! Thank you!
I've been using straight fluoro on my spinning reels for years and years and am happy to see through a lot of trial and error that I do most of the tips you recommended. I would also recommend ALWAYS using a line conditioner. First thing I do when I bust my rod out to do some fishing is spray it down with L&L. It also seems like certain brands of fluoro work better too (FC Sniper I've found is the best).
Hey Randy ever since I started using bigger spinning reels and bigger line spools I've had no problems like I did before useing smaller spinning reels and the 200 yd spools. Thanks for the great tip on wetting the line down god bless you and your family your pal fisherman Mike. Ps I stopped using braid on my spinning reels 15 yrs ago I think on spinning rods it's useless and you get less bites and it just runs into a lot of money for nothing. And I also think this Bs that braid cast further than floro I don't care what anybody says I tested this thery so many times and every time I've casted further with the floro . Let's see one is smooth and the other is made out of fibers and yes I will admit the braid with polyethylene in it handles much better but braid does not cast further than floro period I don't care what any pro fisherman says that's to get you to buy the braid and a leader is another place where your line can break. God bless you and your family your pal fisherman Mike
Was debating going braid to flouro. Didn't want to but figured I had to bc I kept getting knots in my spinning reel whenever I used the maximum pound test the reel was rated for. I'm glad I saw this video bc now I'm gonna stick to straight flouro. Thx for this.
I’m not sure this helps, but I spool mono by putting a pencil through the spool and have the line come straight off the horizontal spool. I definitely pinch the line to keep it “taught”, but I’ll try wetting the spool and increasing the pressure I put on the line as I spool it up. And when I cast, I always put my finger on the spool at the end of the cast to keep any loose line from creating a loop. It takes some of the “sail” out of the casted line. I’ll do a “line check” occasionally by taking the line after a cast and and bringing a foot or so from the eyelet to the spool just to see if there’s a line twist issue pending. I might tie on a spoon with a swivel and take a few casts if the line twist is looking imminent. Your mileage may vary.
Jonathan - did you realize that when you put the line spool on a pencil or other object and spool it directly on your reel you are putting line twist into your line as you wind it on the reel. Due to the nature of spinning reels, that line needs to come off that spool of line over the end of the spool to prevent this twist. Sit the spool up on end so the line unwind in the same direction as your reel bail rotates when you wind the reel (as viewed from the butt of the rod). Looking from the butt of the rod, if your bail is turning counterclockwise (as most reels do) then that line needs to be coming off the line spool in a counterclockwise fashion. This allows the line to lie on the reel spool in the proper fashion. Any other method puts twists in the line as you crank it onto the reel. Hold the line to get tension on it as you fill the reel. Work slowly and deliberately. Put the spool of line in a container of warm water while filling the reel. You might even soak it a while in warm water before you start. This method inside a you have the least possible amount of twist on the line as you fill the reel. When you eventually do get line twist from normal fishing, take off your lure, and let line off the reel as you item across the lake, letting the line trail off into the water. Once you have let out all the twisted line, trail it behind the boat and the tension of the water will remove the twists in the line as you idle along. Once the line is twist free (usually after trailing it a few hundred yards behind the moving boat) stop and wind it back onto the reel. This will help prolong the time you can use that line before having to change it out. I've been doing this for decades, and I have very few problems with fluoro or monofilament line on my spinning reels.
@@tablerockkid8237 ok. Thanks. I’ll give that a shot. Quality guidance.
Very informative Randy for newbie anglers. Keep it up. As for me I’m a straight mono guy. I don’t fish tournaments anymore so I stick to what I know well. Never have had the frustrations with fluoro people talk about when I fished it.
I use mono as a backing then spool with 75 to 100 yards of fluorocarbon. I also use the water method but pinch the line with a piece of rubber to maintain tension on the line as I spool.
Is it better for you? I use braid as backing and spool fluoro for about lil bit over 100 yd
@@chunk_squadadventure6436 Braid would work as well, I just buy mono in bulk and what I don''t use as a main line I use as backing
A 250 yard spool of fluorocarbon is around 30 bucks. Use mono backing on your spool to save some money.
Many guys use braid to fluorocarbon because spooling up straight fluorocarbon is expensive. Not all of us have sponsors and free unlimited access to fluorocarbon.
Closing the bail by hand rather than buy, turning the reel eliminates a lot of twist on spinning reels. It's a hard habit to get into, but it makes a gigantic difference in avoiding wind knots with braid and bird's nests with mono and fluoro.
Reeling while a fish is taking drag will twist your line as well. F Y I
This really works. using the water made the difference !
I agree, for bass. I do have braid to FC on my trout rod. (Which I also use for Ned and drop shot).
I did try another brand of fluorocarbon line a long time ago and had nothing but bad luck with it then I switched to another brand and it was ok. I usually stay with mono and I use the same or similar steps that you have provided as in spooling the reel which has worked really well for me. Seaguar makes an incredible braided line that I use for catfishing and I will have to look into their fluorocarbon line and give it another try. As always thanks for these great tips and I really like how you stick to your guns when it comes to what works the best for you. Thanks Randy!! :)
I am pretty much in agreement with this. In do find that I get more bites and even more important, less break offs. I have tried so many knots, including the FG. Failure at the knot is such a big problem unless you re-knot ever hour or so. I am starting to experiment with my casting gear, but do find that knot problems are not as bad with heaver line
Braid does cast further.
Another option, albeit a bit more cumbersome, is to measure the amount of line you want on your reel, and remove it from the factory spool. Pull a hundred yards or so down the driveway and cut it off. Then spool it into your reel with the opposite end of the line not fixed to anything. This is the only true way to wind it on with no twists!
Very good video. Will hopefully help my spinning rig prowess
DAIWA SAMURI HIDDEN FLUROCARBON is AWESOME! i hated fluro but got some of it extremely cheap and man its great.
Great video
I’m trying co polymer this year to save some money and I think I like it more than flouro
That's why I use braid I can never keep the tangles out, etc. Hopefully this helps!
I like it cause I can switch out mono or flouro at any lb test
Thanks for the tips,very informative
I fish salt water tournaments down here in Alabama. And the charter guides that I know... say that straight fluorocarbon is better, but for charter poles they have braid with fluorocarbon leader. I have always used straight fluorocarbon on my spinning reels.
And mono for my topwater lures.
Two questions please: 1. I noticed on this video that you have a line connection close to the reel. What is this for? 2. In a very recent video you did, you advocated floating the spool in water and not worrying about line direction. Have you changed your views on this? Thanks !
I like my braid to fluoro/mono leaders mainly for versatility, casting distance, line management, line life, sensitivity and hook setting power. My only dislike is having to retie leader while on the water. I am going to tie some straight fluoro on a setup using your recommended technique and see how it goes. I’ll give it a shot! Thanks!
Good timing. I need to spool my spinning reel and i wasnt sure how much tension to use. Ill have to try some water too. 👍👍
After spooling with new line take off spool and soak in hottest tap water for 20 minutes. Eliminates that annoying 1st birds nest.
While fishing if you see a loop on your spool don't open bail, loosen drag and pull line out until the loop comes out.
I agree. Keep doing what ur doing.
Good stuff Randy thanks.....
Good information. Thank you.
Braid to florocarbon is probably the #1 set up for bass fishing nation wide. I've seen allot of pro's do it . Learn the fg knot though . Game changer for braid to florocarbon!
Great tips. Thanks. I use straight fluorocarbon on all my spinning gear unless I'm using mono for topwater. I dont like braid to fluorocarbon either because I dont trust that extra knot.
I still use mono for some applications as well. Great tip! Thanks
I use straight fluorocarbon too. When you say make sure that it’s coming off the spool the same way it goes on the reel do you mean that it should come off the top or bottom of the spool ? Thanks.
Thanks for the great video
I put braid on all my spinning reels....and will never again put any fluoro or mono on my spinning reels ever.....except for leader materiel...this has been my experience for the past decade of trial and error, and braid is my choice for spinning reels....I fish mostly from the shorelines at my local ponds/lakes...I need extra casting distance to reach the fish at these highly pressured lakes, and braid on my spool is the only way to make further casts....I use long, very lightweight spinning rods (10-11 ft) and a 3000-5000 series reel to gain the extra distance I need to cover lots of water from shore and reach the fish that are nowhere near the shoreline....Obviously this type of setup is not for everyone, but there’s nothing like hooking a bass over 200 ft from shore....no way can that be accomplished using 12-15 lb fluoro or mono on a spool...there wouldn’t be enough line on the reel to make that long of casts....besides, it wouldn’t make sense to cast a 3/4-1 oz lure on 4 or 6 lb test mono...12-16 lb braid diameter is equivalent to 2-4 lb test mono.
Your right Randy I fish the same way
I like using reel/line magic spray instead of water. Been doing that for a few years now. Works well.
I agree in some....but I was in a tournament on Sam Rayburn and had 30lb braid that actually came on a spool...caught 41 bass in 40 cast. No lie... biggest 8.49 we won the tournament and got big bass also....but also saying my partner was using the same bait (natural shad square bill) same spot same cast same all except he was using flora..and only landed 3 dinks....that day I have to say it was about the braid....
30 years fishing with mono, very few problems. 10 years braid to leader, no problems at all. 5 years trying to use straight fluoro and almost nothing but problems. Braid to a fluoro leader means I spend more time fishing and no time dealing with fluoro birds nests.
Great stuff, Ty for the video
At the moment im enjoying straight fishing fluorocarbon line
Great tips, thanks
Perfect
I use the 6lb invizx on my spinning gear throwing a 1/6 trd. I watch my reel after each cast for any loops or slack that may cause me problems. Also, I have noticed if I drag my line at the beginning of my trip (retie) in the water it makes for a much better casting distance and less line twist.
great video on line fill.
I use straight fluro on my bfs and some spinning setups and The biggest issue is after a 2 weeks of using everyday the fluro on the reel gets just springy in my opinion and i have to replace it. And the heavier the worse it gets. I agree randy straight fluro definitely increases the bites 100% . i use mono alot also and the bite isnt as good on the same day and presentation.
Randy could you please do a follow up on how to spool fluorocarbon on baitcaster for some reason I always have problem with floro on baitcaster…
i will try this tip out soon. but i never have trouble with braid to flouro. i tie a double uni knot from braid to flouro. it casts a lot farther and smoother.
Nobody has trouble with braid to fluoro, Randy just likes to be a contrarian
Thanks for info, with topwater comin up can u do a video on when to use the different types of topwater? Pop r type baits, walking baits, buzzbaits, etc
Hey Randy, Do you use any type of line conditioner? I like to spray down my spool of line with the conditioner before filling my reel.
Love your vids on line... think you could do a vid about the different types of seaguar fluoro (invisx vs abrazx vs tatsu), their strengths and applications?
You leave the spool in the water while you are spooling or just dip the spool in the water?
Maybe you could do another video where you spool it. I know you showed us here but I couldn’t see the spool as you reeled it. Would it be with the spool hole vertical?
I agree,never tied braid to flouro.strait floro!!!
Thank you so much! I don't use flouro leaders either, I have spare spools on my spinning reels so I have braid and flouro. I have struggled with flouro on my spinning reels though. Is there a line that you find works better than others to reduce twists and do you use line dressing?
I'm 100% Invisex 100% Fluorocarbon based on your recommendations. Good enough for you = Good enough for me.
There's one more thing that will cause line twist and I've even seen pro's do it. That is to crank against the drag! If you turn the handle once while the drag is in play your putting twist in your line. I tighten my drag to about 80 percent of the test. A bait caster is a wench & doesn't matter. Spinning gear the line peels off in a different fashion. Pull back and reel down till the fish is in. When I started at 9yrs old it was spinning gear with 4lb test for trout. Hard lessons in my youth have stuck with me in life.
Dry climate and pH balance has a negative effect as well.Fluoro takes a beating in Arizona ,but you need it because of the water clarity.I use a leader to braid because I'm not a pro who gets line for free,nor do I have 8 spinning rods on my deck with different pound line.if I want to go from six pound to 10 pound,it takes me roughly 5 minutes to strip 7 ft of leader and change it.Think of all that fluoro that is wasted once your spool starts to get low on the reel and you got to change all of it
I’m a convert Randy. Once I found the right rod, my jerk bait success has been much better than on casting gear. Thank you! The time savings also of not retying braid to flour knots is also a big reason to do it in my opinion.
I am not a tournament fisherman, so a lost fish due to a line break doesn’t cost me a possible financial loss. That being said, i spool my lines fully with fluorocarbon line and fish a full year without needing to change it. I do respool every spring for the year, but to be fair, some of my rods I rarely use, still have line from Maybe two to three years with no issues. (Now they also are stored inside a climate controlled room)
I'm assuming your laying the spool flat on the floor. Label up or down? With that invizx. Curious. Thanks
Iv never had any problems with straight floro unless I over fill the spool. Also use invisx!
Please explain what the disadvantage are, really! I have been fishing for around 40 plus years being over 50 and would like to understand why I should change my opinion. I personally have come to the conclusion that braid to florocarbon is much better than straight braid. Also on my spinning reels running nanofil not only gives me better casts but the ability to run stronger line with a stronger leader without wind knots. I do run straight florocarbon on my baitcasters some times but only have found that I don't loose lures and main line when I get a backlash sense braid is so small and has no stretch.
So if it’s going on clockwise, I need to make sure it comes off clockwise?
Spinning the same way looking at the reel from the top (looking towards the butt of rod), or from the bottom (looking toward the tip)? Thanks
What pound fluorocarbon do you use for fishing jigs in lily pads, or do you use straight braid?
Easy solution for anybody is to have their spool professionally loaded at the tackle shop. I do hundreds in a month where I work at Sportsmans Warehouse. Heavy tension and a wet cloth on all flouro and braid installs. I hate mono on a spinning reel for the memory it has especially for a beginning angler.
Do you have a favorite knot to attach the line to the spool ? I use an Arbor Knot but if you have a better one, give it up, Brother ! Lol
Randy, I do use 15 lb braid to 10 lb fluorocarbon, however I am breaking off alot. I use Seager Abrasx fluorocarbon. What is the best knot to tie with fluorocarbon and how do you know the correct weight to set your drag? I think these 2 things are my problem because my line is new and it's breaking about 4x a tournament. Thanks for your help and love the videos.
Tie the double sandiego clinch knot. It is the strongest knot you can tie. Also i suggest using sunline super fc sniper 10lb. Now i will agree it is expensive. Pretty much the same price as seagar but sunline is the absolute best fluorocarbon I've ever used. Berkley vanish and P-line floroclear are the worst fluorocarbons i have ever used. I broke off dozens of fish with berkley vanish.
How… how do you spin it on… my like keeps breaking trying to tie it on the damn spool
Whenever I open my bail to cast, my line hops off the reel. I’ve tried everything :/
I spooled it with 8 LB test mono for lighter lures, gave it some practice casts and found that it did cast well ruclips.net/user/postUgkxSlytCJqozTF7EbdP4LWP-HUXf9WRDJ0e , except that the anti-backlash setting had to be turned up almost all of the way to keep the "overcasts' ' down. I disassembled it, and found that if I potted some "shim washers" behind that anti-backlash magnet assembly, it got the magnets closer to the spool without rubbing, and I could get better control with about a 6 to 7 out out 10-Max setting. I also noticed that the handle shaft had some internal end play, maybe only 2 or 3 thousands of an inch, but it's still noticeable. If the anti-backlash and shaft tolerances were "tightened up" this would be a fantastic value. I've only used it for 4 days of fishing in a month's time, but I plan on keeping it.
Using a good fluorocarbon that is supple makes a big difference,
Can you take us on the water and show/tell us what the advantages are with different rigs
Im already there with the 8lb floro man. I don't use braid but its ok I guess
When I use straight FC, I get it on fine. If I’m throwin a hardbait(jerk/crank) into the wind, the lure tumbles. 6-7 casts down the road all hell breaks loose. It’s not for me.
I do braid to flouro/mono is to save money that’s all and nothing more
I did what you said and i still get line twists
What weight for a spinning reel do you recommend for fluorocarbon
I've been trying forever to get this down and I must be missing something key because it never works out for me
Hey Randy what do you think about this. Spooling half of your spinning reel with cheap/used braid and spool the rest of the spool with fluorocarbon. Just have the braid as a back to not spool all that line with fluorocarbon and just waste the flouro that's bottom of the spool???
Randy gets all his fluorocarbon for free. If you fish all day with flourocarbon and a spinning reel you will have loops and twists. If you look closely at Randy's spinning rod and reel, you can çlearly see he has no idea how the new fluorocarbon works. Dinosaur.