The HORRIBLE TRUTH About ZERO ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- Before buying a zero electric motorcycle, i suggest watch this video first! Because in this video i will show you the horrible truth about zero motorcycles and why you should think twice.
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I am an owner of a 2020 Zero SR/S Premium version w/ Power Tank. I purchased it new in March of 2020. In the over four years of ownership I have had no issues with the bike. I enjoy riding it immensely, it makes me happy. I like the styling of the motorcycle. I think it’s one of the most beautiful motorcycles out there. I don’t understand the negativity surrounding it.
Hi. I've been riding for over 40 years.....everything from Piaggios and Lambrettas to Harleys, GSXR's and my current '65 BMW /2. When you say you don't "understand" the negativity, do you actually mean that you don't agree with the negativity? I think Roland made a solid case for the downsides of E-Motos. I am considering getting one myself, but I am waiting until the tradeoffs become more equitable....
Zero's biggest failure is they do not support DC Fast Charging which means the majority of stations you come across will not be usable. Compared to Energica Zero really looks like they haven't innovated in over five years. I believe in the US all Cypher features are just included in the price because of such poor reception of having to buy feature on the bike already
problem with CCS is that - CCS require minimum 200V battery voltage so 70S (70 cell in series) pack - now they have 116V (28S) pack probably for CCS they have to upgrade/change battery/bms system
Um, that's completely false. I just charged my Zero in 50 minutes at a DC fast charging station.
I think that fast chargers can also power slower (13.2?) chargers from one phase with an adapter and they can handle that as an option.
Car manufacturers doing the same. All the hardware already fitted to the car, pay a monthly subscription to make it work. It’s outrageous and the people that buy these vehicles are idiots.
Thats why we need to complain by them so it stops :)
That stopped fast :D
I have a zero DS. I am very happy with it. Range of about 200km.
I could ride about 3 hours before charging. But I never ride longer than 2 hours because it start to hurt my back and butt. So I don't have the need at all to have more range than 200km.
Rides very smooth and silent. Almost no maintenance. No taxes. And I charge for free at work.
Very cheap to run. Especially for people like me that do a lot of kilometers in a year by commuting to work.
Hi! I ordered a 2021 Zero S 14.4kW, I have to go on a 230km trip. No charge tank, can I get that range if going only at 70kmph or have to ride slower?
@@fotoamgamgfoto3695 At 70km/h yes. at 70mph not. At average speeds of 70 km/h, I get about 250-280 km. At highway speeds it is 180-200km.
If I was you, I would buy a adaptor for public charging stations to a regular plug. Then you have at least a (slow) backup solution to charge without a charge tank at public chargers.
@@mmistermusic wow thanks! so it can do 250km range if I make it slow average 70 km/hour? It would be then enough without Charge tank.
I already have a Type2 to Schukko or computer plug adapter I made for my current electric notorcycle but 10-12 hours charge at public is a bit slow and expensive :)
@@fotoamgamgfoto3695 yes, but luckily you will not need to charge 100%. Worst case you maybe need to top up 10%.
@@mmistermusic thanks! here we have some free public charge points at Lidl shops, but probably won't be free soon, not working or occupied. It needs to restart by button every 10 minutes if not registered, but if app has an account it charges up to 29 minutes without stop and manual restart :)
Rolland a smashing blog you have really nailed it this time but don’t expect a Christmas card from zero this year. Keep it up just love your blogs 👏👏
Lol, yeah Alan, since my start on RUclips there are many companies who won’t send me a Xmas card I think 😂
I think KTM were the first to start this pay wall scam. They got away with it as people just kept on buying their bikes. It seems Zero have now joined in on it. I’m a fan of all electric vehicles, but their absurd pricing is where I draw the line. How on earth can Zero (or Energica for that matter) justify selling their electric motorbikes at similar prices to some electric cars??? We’ve been told for so long that the reason for the higher cost of electric vehicles is due to the batteries. The top spec version of the recently released MG4 hatchback sells for around 30K euros! The MG’s come with more than double the battery capacity of these electric bikes. Yet Zero/Energica’s bikes cost as much as the MG? I debated long and hard with myself about getting an electric bike, but I’m sorry Zero/Energica. Your greed has convinced me to stick with ICE bikes. I understand that being smaller companies, you lack the economies of scale that the bigger car brands have… nonetheless, you don’t grow your customer base by pricing yourselves out of the market. To quote the words of the Dragons in the UK show “Dragons’ Den”, “I’m sorry, but I’m out!”
You are 100% right! i am sure they can build this bike way cheaper. A bike should not be the same price as a car. A bike should be cheaper as a car. thats why they made motorcycles in the first place. Thanks for your great reply :)
Hello Roland,
For atleast 35 years i drove motorcycles the whole year around. As soon as the salt came on the road i left my "better" bike at home. And used a special bike for that purpose. As you know salt is so extremely agressive that it will destroy the complete motorcycle. After a few years it takes a lot of maintenance to keep it rolling. We call such a bike a Pekelfiets (Saltbike). As you allready know cause you are Dutch.
A few times the thought came popping back into my mind to sell my car and go riding motor again in winter.
What about riding electric motorcycle ? Is such a Zero much better protected against salt ? Or does it also go everywhere and destroy the bike ?
For what you are telling. A lot of manufacterus do that. They lock certain software options. And if you want those option you have to pay a lot of money. They hook it at a computer and it done within a few seconds.
Husqvarna for example also does this with their Norden 901. A complete mapping is installed but certain options are locked right from the factory. And they let you pay a lot of money to have it unlocked. Very easy money. But as you i also see this as a complete scam. A horrible scam.
But he, They have the power to do so. It is a KTM thing. They also do the exact same thing with the 890R. And this has generated a lot of money for them.
As many times as i could i adressed this scam on RUclips. And if others also start doing this they finally have to stop that kind of evil. I hope. It would be better if they gave all the those people their money back. Motorriders have to do shitty jobs and make hardworking long hours to be able to ride motor. And they allready pay a lot of money. And then stealing their money in such cheap way is worthy for a bullit through their kneecaps. Both kneecaps. 🤬🤬
Put your smartphone in the beach for one week, you surely will note how salt and humidity affects your battery. The take an Electric bike and put it on the beach one week, you'll be terrified on how your battery will be affected, then buy a Tesla and Park it in the beach for six months. If you have some more money to spare buy and Electric motorcycle and expect to spend even more within one year on a battery replacement. If you have some more money to spend you can donate it to me so I can buy a Ducati.
This is entertaining; why does everyone think these batteries fail after five years, seriously, where does this come from? Someone, please provide some real data on this.
I have a DSR, the previous generation, and ride around 100 miles at a time on back roads. The battery life is designed for about 200K miles and you save on fuel, servicing and the time lost attending to them. If you want to save money long-term buy a moped :D Buy for long-term ownership as selling is tricky and a warranty that's honored. I believe (but don't actually know) that software that was outsourced is now handled in-house and is now stable. I bought my Zero because my antiques were getting way too many additional miles once I retired ;)
The entire video is just 12 minutes of complaining about the price?! If people can watch your video they can also visit the site and figure out the price. If they're fine with it, good for them. Hardly a HORRIBLE TRUTH now is it?
Not really. It’s about micro transactions and raising the price by every option you seem to need. It’s about a thing what should not be a standard. But, zero stopped with the extra payments in 2023 so maybe video’s like this opened their eyes.
And for the record, everything you find on RUclips as for information you can find on websites, but I will be waiting for the day you are gonna start making video’s, ok?
You seem to know how it must be done so bring it on 😃
Thanks for the information. I was thinking of getting the SR/S but felt I needed more info on it, and I think that these are some greedy underhanded tactics. I'll wait for them to either be more upfront and reasonable about their prices or just look for another option.
Don't buy is junk , I bought my 2 months ago and I have to bring it back to dealer b cuz all the light are not working and the horn also not working and dashboard. I already checked all the fuses they are good .
Stopped watching after over a minute of “boy oh boy oh boy oh boy” and “I don’t even know where to start”. Maybe figure that out before expecting us to pay attention.
That is your choice :) you would understand why I start with saying that in the beginning when you watched the whole video :)
Thanks for this video it has really opened my eyes I'm currently eyeing up the SRF but yet to start saving up but never realised the price was a starting price and a bike with that many features all with a added cost which are already installed but need paying for to unlock them I was looking for hopefully cheaper options and stumbled on zero
To be fair, Zero is on par with the other premium electric motorcycles. Their upcharges are a bit rough though. Especially considering that most if not all of the extras are already installed and behind a paywall.
Yes, like I said. I am not against electric motorcycles. But it feels like they want to squeeze every penny out of their client, and that is not cool 😬
Like Tesla then, also I first looked at Zero then Damon, yes price high but looking to get Damon as if ride 50 miles what save on fuel can buy a new bike in 5 years or so, Premier on Damon is $12000 more for special paint and better brakes and suspension (brakes and suspension is about £2000 what I found)
Try MPGe Vs MPG then, Damon Hypersport I am looking at is 337MPGe Vs a equal petrol of 56MPG, to add main downside of Damon is it built around bike so whole thing replace
@@mlee6050 Sorry to tell you this, Damons don't exist. There hasn't been a single bike ridden by anyone of importance or open to the public. Ever.
Junk I bought my and already have to take it to the dealer to get it fix .
I'm not going to defend ZERO as a company, no one should defend these businesses. But I've been looking into these ZERO's and possibly an Energica if I can find a dealer here in the states who offers the Experia. The model of bike you showed in the video is the SR/S which is their top model. The base model of that style is the SR which goes for $20,000.
I've compared the SR/S, the DSR/X and the Energica Experia to each other and the Energica is the most expensive of the bunch starting at $25,880+VAT for us here in the states being it is a European motorcycle and all. For us the ZERO SR/S starts at $24,000 and the DSR/X starts at $24,500. So if I can't get my hands on a Energica Experia the only other choice of electric bike is a ZERO. There's not really many choices here in my region.
I don't have to worry about people in groups being embarrassed to ride with me as I don't ride with anyone but a friend of mine. We don't ride with big groups and probably never will as riding for us is more of a relaxation thing. Being in a big group is not relaxing.
I'm thinking electric as it would be perfect for my needs. My town is nothing but intersections and stop lights so the electric is perfect for stop-n-go riding in the summer. My job is also within a mile of my house so riding one of these things to work in the summer would last a while on a charge. I also don't travel very far so whatever range it offers is good enough for me. :)
2023 SR/S comes in stock with every available Cypher III+ feature.
So, you haven’t actually ridden it then? OK, it’s expensive, very expensive, but it’s different. You could buy a GS, but the 1250s are unreliable, so I wouldn’t bother.
Used Zeros in the U.K. are pretty reasonable, but that’s because it’s new tech and bikers are a conservative bunch. I haven’t tried a Zero yet, but I have ridden the Harley Livewire, and that was incredible. So I’d like to try a Zero. I’m not too worried about battery life - I have a 9 year old Renault Zoe and it’s still pretty good.
I too don’t see why I have to pay for upgrades that are already within the bike, but are they? Maybe it’s an update to the operating system that has been refined, like Tesla do. Anyway KTM are now doing the same thing.
For now I’ll stick to my Africa Twin 1100 and RD350LC, but I remain open minded, which is a good thing!
Keep the twin ! 😃 I own 2 and I really love them. (Old one ‘95 and atas 2019)
But, there is more then zero. So just explore the market. Within a few years every bike company makes them. But I would not set my hope on electric too much. There is not enough lithium to make every vehicle electric.
So I don’t believe that is gonna be the future. Well maybe for a part but not the standard. Unless they invent something without lithium 🤷♂️
Anyway, ride safe :)
Price is roughly the same as the big electric bikes, Energica and Livewire.
Also the FX or FXE is only 16k ;)
Range didn't drop that much when i rode it at 180 for quite some time. So that point is outdated.
So the only real downside is the features behind an extra paywall... But...
That is happening with most electric cars as well. Some gasoline bikes also have it (looking at GXS950 vs GXS1000 for example).
Heated grips is always an extra, so no problem there (they installed it for free ;) )
installed it for free????? BRO🤣🤣🤣SOME GASOLINE ARE DOING IT?? YEAH SURE like Bmw and othera but shit man you shoulndt support that shittu behavior by buying them 🤣🤣🤣
@@nonsononessunooko4066 It might be a reason to not buy it, but they aren't the only one doing it, nor the first to do it.
I agree we shouldn't support it, on all bikes and brands ;)
Zero is following what Apple and Tesla has been doing for years. Expensive, with more expensive options to add after, pay to unlock features. The features are on the bike already, and you have to pay more to unlock them. And almost no customer/tech/repair service. Zero also has cheap parts on the bike. Cheap mirrors, cheap buttons, cheap electrical, cheap headlight, brake light, turn signals, and so much more. I found the mirrors from china source like ebay or alibaba for $20. Still no level three charging, compared to other far better electric motorcycles.
I see your point(s) In Australia Zero are pushing for market share and are offering entry level bikes for $13.2K AUD. Our electricity prices are relatively cheap so makes for consideration if you are going to use it regularly, Oh, and I do like the handling, and it is good not to have to change gear every second or so when riding in urban areas.
Bro, you’re very entertaining but knowledgeable as well thank you for the input. God bless.
Nobody should do business with a company which gelds the on-board capabilities you paid for and holds the unlock codes for ransom. What I'd like to see is some standardization, plug-and-play safety, portability, and utility in the lithium battery pack field. If a 50AH, 72V battery, say, 4,000KWH, on a small e-motorcycle like the Sondors will cost me over half the value of the bike, that's a significant investment. You'd need the power two of those to power a larger electric motorcycle. I'd like that battery or battery or twin pack to be able to be pulled easily and chargeable separately, for urban dwellers who lack an outdoor charge outlet. For homeowners, I'd like that battery pack to also be compatible to serve a pure sine wave inverter as a handy AC power source during outages, and also be able to put it in a riding mower, powered watercraft (outboard or jet-ski), hydraulic log splitter, wood chipper, bandsaw, etc. Why buy multiple batteries for these things and more when you will be using only one of them at a time, or only sporadically? This would significantly lower the carbon end ecologically-damaging mining and battery manufacture processing footprint of e-vehicles. I emailed Zero and asked them if they would be willing to partner with other manufacturers to create an industry standard to power mid-size applications; I never got the courtesy of a response. If a company is unresponsive before the sale, how will the act after the sale? Zero is off my consideration list.
yeah, rip off. just import a chinese electric motorcycle and upgrade the controller & motor and install a double lithium battery pack. upgrades will cost about extra $5000 - total cost will be about $10,000 all in.
Unlocking features online means: proper bike functionality only when connected to some kind of online service. If they get in the same sort of trouble as vanmoof cycles: u end up with a useless piece of crap worth zero money.
love my 2014 Zero SR, a perfect daily commuter. it is perfect in every ways except for the motor over heat easily in the summer when temp hits above 100*F in hard acceleration. this bike can out accelerate any liter bike from red light to red light.
update: i mounted a 3"x3" usb box fan by the motor for active cooling....no more motor overheat.
You excellent heretic! I love the facts you revealed here and the way your mind works. You literally mirrored my own assessment of these things. Thank you for sharing.
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Thanks! And welcome in the club of cool people 😃
Zero are not the only company doing that. I am not defending them at all, but Tesla also do that and i also heard KTM have some featurs which they unlock if u pay extra You are not the only one who is upset because of it. My Zero is 2016 i bouth it second hand, it cost 8850 Ero i September 20. Battary wad replaced under warranty by previous owner.
Zero SR which i owe has 70hp which it can maintain for a short period of time before the motor over heat but 70 hp at 6000 rpm put me in 175kmh which my neck will not hold long time, bike can sustain 140kmh with no problem.
I try to do the best not damaging the battery, not letting it to charch at highet temp during summer ace. I can charge any were using ususal outlet. It makes an amazing everyday commiter, it has showa suspension which can me tuned for dump and rebound both front and back. Electric bikes have higher center of gravity so need to get used to, on the other hand they are higher torqu and can do sveral level of engine breacking perfect for hilly roads, you can ride only with the accelerator not touching the breacks. During the tume i owend the bick i did not need any maintenance only aside tier replacement. I assume the battary will live another 50kkm easley .
Aside of Zero what options do you have if you want to ride Electric?
Energica is an Italian elecctric motorcycle it is much better, but cost almost twice as much.
I do not know why Supercharging is expensive in Netherlands, take in to account that the cost of building one station is arround 200k us$, any how Zero cant connect to a supercharger only to Type 2. Home electricity in Israel cost areound 0.125 Ero a kwh. Zero 14.4 battery can hold 11.4 kwh meaning full battay charging cost is 1.433 Ero, the bike will do 130 km at an avarage speed of 140km and about 190 km at an avarge speed of 90-100kmh, these costs are very low. Insurance is a big thing in israel. Basik motorcycle insurance yearly cost is 1100 ero, but for a Zero it is 550 Ero(bike foes 0 to 100 in 3.3sec).
Put all that aside i will not buy a nother Zero, the build quality and its general reliability is a big No for me. Saying all that, i can understand the business prospective of Zero maximasing their income with higher prices. I do not think Zero sells more than 5000 biks a year and with these low voliums cant see how they make any profit, not sure they will exist in 10 years. No company can stay alive like that, but i can not predict the future
@@brittennz well, I just checked the energica, their flagship. It’s 3000 more then the zero (both basemodel) So it’s not that big of a difference?
@@TheRideWithRoland it is a Huge difference. You cant compare between the two. Zero is a part bin motorcycle meaning the main drivetrian components are off the shelf, they are not designed by Zero. This leads to much less optimaized design. Energicas drive train all are inhose dwsignd. They are much more optimized, the motor and controller are packed together amd both are liquid cooled, they are lightrt and will not limit the bike top speed, all Energicas has two charges an AC 3kw and a DC 24kw. Mening the bike can charge in less than 1 hour in Supercharging and in 4 hours at home outlet. Zero can not superchage ar all, it cant connect to fast DC charging. I am not sure but i also think enegica basic mksel has a bigger battery.
Energica has a much brtter built quality than Zero, mainly on the electronics and harness
@@brittennz Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences with your Zero. It looks like you got a fairly good deal if you bought the bike for a lot less than half price. But that’s really evidence of their TRUE value isn’t it? There’s no way they are worth their new price.
A lot of really good real bikes hold their value over time. MV Augustas for instance. Indeed, some truly awful things from Harley Davidson also quite inexplicably hold their value over a long time.
But from a market perspective, this actually only reinforces what a really bad deal it is to buy Zeros new. Furthermore, because the need to replace the battery after such a very short period of time proves they are clearly not sustainable, they make a total mockery of the mainstream narratives around their introduction.
Another marketing observation is that Zero are apparently using the specific top-down pioneered by Steve Jobs at Apple after 1996, which culminated in the hugely successful iPod business model after 2003.
However, Apple products were vastly superior to their competitors, and had a lot longer useful life, therefore their premium pricing was entirely justified. After 30 years, in each case, All my Macs still work. After the same period, all my Hondas also still work, as do all my other real bikes.
Conversely, after less than 10 years, Zero owners will be left with a frame, two wheels, worn out suspension, a scrap motor and some extremely volatile and hazardous waste for which there is no sustainable recycling process. That’s NOT a good deal.
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The average person really tracked their riding patterns they would find the base model will suit them and cheap home overnight charging is all you need.
Indeed. Plus, one should not only look at the price to buy. You have to look at the total cost of ownership. Including maintenance, taxes, fuel,....
If you ride a lot, you will see, that you can easily add 5000 euro extra for an electric bike compared to an fossil fuel stove.
If you only ride on sundays, in the summer, as a tourist, you better stick with an ICE. But if you commute by motorcycle, it is really interesting to look at electric.
You know what the biggest scam is someone with nothing but widely available information but no experience blaming the manufacturer for things like charging costs on a US made bike instead of the scamacrocy known as the grubament of his kuntry and its grubyment charge costs.
I got a 21 Zero FX in the states for 13g so like 9 eur, 7.2 battery, if you ride 30mph or less you get 90 mile range, if you ride 65 and pass at 80mph you get 46 mile range, but i would never ever buy another electric again with 8.5 hour charge at 110v monitor cable charging. There is something to be said about how quiet it is...super neat on the trails.
Funny and informative video. Good job. The extra cost to unlock features already embedded in the software sounds reminiscent of Haas machine tools.
We need Elon Musk to convince to also disrupt the bike scene ;-)
I can always tell when a bike is electric on the highway by all the cars that are passing it. The resale value on these things must be awful. They are always riding by themselves because no one wants to buddy-up with a guy on an electric bike because you won't be going very far, and if it needs charging who wants to wait around for an hour. I see very few of these bikes in Los Angeles where they are made. Once they go out of business good luck find spare parts
Well, i ride mostly also alone. 😅 but not electric. However, thinking about buying a electric bicycle lol
Oh dont worrie zero themselves are not helping their customers ask 10 owners that have had their bikes for 2years and see ..
Expensive toys are only for deep pockets. Zero knows exactly how to play that game.
I was like "what the f*ck" in whole video.
Best review about this electric thing
“ People looking weird at you” with a staple in your eyebrow
Lol, well I mean at a bike meeting ;)
It's not a scam. Other premium electric bikes:
Energica: ................................€34.982.
Harley Davidson Livewire: ....€25,390.
Arc Vector: .............................€90.000.
If your cheap ass can't afford a top EV don't buy it. Nobody is forcing you at gunpoint and the information is clear as day on the site. Buy a Honda Navi instead.
Well, Its because of video's like this they stopped in 2023 with the In app stuff, its now allready unlocked on the bikes.
Because not only me, but a lot of people didnt liked that.
However, calling people out as cheap ass if they cannot afford it is just not cool. just saying man, dont be like that.
@@TheRideWithRoland Ok, my bad. I wasn't completely serious but you can't see that in writing. I guess I needed an emoji or two. Peace.
Nobody wants to look like a moron on a glorified ebike. But it suits you 🤪
i'm also dutch and looking at the FX or FXE. might get it if the EV tax benefits are good enough and i get enough back at the end of the year. it's good enough for city commuting and short highway rides. really despise what they're doing with the unlocking stuff though. just another greedy company trying to take every dime from their customers.
i'll have to look into how much exactly i can get back. if it costs 14,000 and i can get back at least 4k. 10k for work transport seems fair if it serves me long enough. love the style of dual sport bikes but they're so damn loud. while i like the sound myself, i often go to work late and get home early. i would wake up thousands of people as i ride by. don't like that. so despite all the issues, it still seems the best option for me. also in the future they might ban gas bikes completely from cities. this covers me from that. tough choices..
That's the reason why I chose the Energica. ;-)
Indeed - it's a price of new Goldwing or R18 (say - my dream bike) with extras. Realistically I consider e-bikes as good commuters. If Zero is reaching for high level customers, the pricing model is ridiculous anyway. I'm not a sport-bike fan, so maybe I'm not in the target group. Thanks for your insight.
Youre witnessing the real problem with electric motorcycles. Every km your getting more the price increases exponentially. In defense of the manufacturers, the problem is just the battery technology. For a motorbike you have little space for the battery, so you need a high density and low volume capacity. But also for motorbikes the weight must be low. This leads to the only solution for better range to have batteries with a high lithium proportion, because it has the highest density. But this makes it expensive.
Also we will not see revolution in price and range because there is no better material yet, sodium is only an option for the cars.
With all the information I found about batteries, I guess electric motorbikes will only be useful for city commuting, with ranges around 50-80km, depending on the outside temperature.
For highway commuting it is better to get a cheap e-car. If you ride motorbikes for fun or for traveling, combustion engine will stay the only option (for many years at least).
I totally agree ☝️
Have you ridden this bike or do you like to hear yourself chatter.
If you saw the video then you would know it’s not about the bike, but the company.
And if you ride one, then maybe you should watch this.
Maybe you should watch video’s first before you give your useless comments on RUclips. ;)
@@TheRideWithRoland Unfortunately I watched the whole video. Just the constant chatter is useless. Nothing in the video that you can't read for yourself. If you want to make videos about all the companies that ask for money, you still have to babble a lot. Have lots of fun with it. I prefer to ride.
@@gww8026 well, we are all waiting for your videos then, you seem to know how to make them. 🤷♂️
You are missing the point of my video. It’s about what companies do these days and it’s got to stop. And it only stops when people know about and complain about it.
Just make sure you don’t watch my travel video’s. There is humor and talking in it. Just saying 😂
@@TheRideWithRoland At least when I watch your videos I know how not to do it. I can't babble that much at a time either. Just call Zero Europe or go there. They're in the Netherlands. There you can lament your suffering. Or apply for a publicity job so they sell less.
@@gww8026 you probably also bought a T-shirt with “I love zero” ;)
Electric is smart for commuting for work ive saved alot of money from spending 500 a week on fuel. Its a money saver. There is no resale value on a zero bike...repeat there is no resale value on a zero bike. Its a money loss thats possibly worth 5k and people will not pay more for private buying. Zero is a bad company its a bad bad company.
There's not a chance in hell id pay $30k for a motorcycle. No way.
Last year I had the opportunity to test ride a Zero, must admit it’s a fun bike to ride, however the slightly older models looked a bit tatty being all plastic , would I buy one, it’s a no for me ,I’ll stick with the GS Adventure 1250.
Me too 😃
Customer service and product support👎🏾All Zero wants to do is sell their bikes, but provide customer and product support.
Thanks for this vid plenty of better cheaper options thanks for helping people avoid disappointment.
Please do your homework first. Zero motorcycles is a private company, so you can cannot even buy stocks from them and sure not sell them. You do not know where the motor is. Lots of premium mobility brands sell you software unlocked features now a days even you mentioned brand BMW. Sure the bikes are expensive maybe even too expensive, but after 8 years of driving them I can confirm they are premium. Nothing breaks and the fuel can be incredible cheap if you charge it on solar. Biggest problem is, it's not for cruising all weekend because of the range and more important the relatief slow charging time. It main use case is to drive to work and back I'm afraid. And for that is use understand it not for everyone... I use mine only for that and I'm very pleased with the bike. Sold my first one already and for a decent price, so the residual value is also not bad.
@@bartpues the story about the stocks you should not take literally.
The video is not about the bike, or if it rides good or not.
The video is a bit old now and because of the complains like this they stopped doing this micro transactions.
I know other brands also do it, or planning to and we must stop that, like we stopped zero :)
I don’t care if they are premium or not (well, I would expect it when it even crosses bmw prizes) point is. Enough is enough.
Now, for some funny reason zero owners are not having a problem with that and complain about my video what is really going above my head.
I don’t own a zero, and never will. But I just don’t like it how companies try to grab the most out of their customers.
❤@TheRideWithRoland I assume you underestimate the cost to build new manufacturer processes. So what does zero try to do, indeed sell there customers a bike close to the max people will spend and after the recieved it offer them even more for again a premium. That extra money is used for the next lineup. In few year electric bikes will get cheaper, same as what is happening now with EV. But indeed I also understand your reaction, if you only look at the numbers and specs why would someone choose a zero over a BMW...! To be honest I didn't want ICE and I wanted the strongest bike that you can ride with a regular car driving license in Belgium. 😊
Once you add tax and registration fees this will cost more then $40k.. f that..
you can buy a really nice car for that, and in the rain you will regret it that you didnt go for the luxury car lol
Upgrade are for free on 2022 bikes and included on 2023 bikes , no on the heated grip are not fitted on the SR so no OTA available 😆😆😆😆 , let´s do a video without know
I’ve got my information from zero.
Probably a lot of people complained about it and so they maybe changed it in some country’s but not here in the Netherlands.
And maybe they changed because of video’s like this so maybe you should appreciate it 🤷♂️
Have to say this video spent 12 minutes on something you could sum up with half a minute. It's total click bait. Tesla have been doing the same things when they were starting up (Pay to unlock battery capacity and more performance, pay to unlock autopilot-capabilities etc), once the market and the products mature then the pricing and the unreasonable software purchases will be tweaked or removed. The solution is just more competition and higher volumes.
This is not unique to Zero, but the reason why they are doing this is because the competition is lagging behind. In 2 years it will be completely different, then Honda, Kawasaki and other big names will have models out.
Lol. I assume you also don’t read books but just the part on the back cover?
Everything on RUclips can be told in minutes, but that’s not really entertaining, or to build up a story to show the real insanity what is going on here. Maybe TikTok is more your cup of tea? They have short video’s 😬
@@TheRideWithRoland you assume a lot, that is what became clear from both your comment and your video.
@@GoonerTechie my channel is made for people with a bit of humor. So hups. Move on, it’s not for you my friend ;)
@@TheRideWithRoland I was hoping you would realize that the content of this video is best summed up with "Zero is selling you a product as advertised, but they don't tell you that you can buy software upgrades or that you can buy cheaper motorcycles elsewhere!" Guess that wouldn't get many views though, keep up the good work!
@@GoonerTechie i think you must watch the video again. What I was trying to show you is how buying a zero motorcycle works. And the madness of those micro transactions you need to buy also.
The good news is, I am not the only RUclipsr who noticed this, or made a video about it , and zero stopped with the insane software unlock features. Next on my list is KTM. They are doing the same and this need to be stopped.
The big legal question here is who own the bike when you have to pay monthly / yearly for stuff what unlocks.
Maybe you think the video is too long, and it even got many thumbs down (I assume zero owners who just don’t want to hear the truth of their overpriced toy, my god, how dare I? )
But I will make video’s like this when another company is doing crazy stuff like zero.
And I don’t assume, I get to the bottom of this :) call me what you want, but it’s of because guys like me probably why zero stopped with it. (It’s still way too expensive in my eyes, considering that Chinese electric bikes can do it for less then a third (remember, it’s the battery what makes it expensive according to zero, what is by the way also from china…))
And then there is the fact that electric bikes are causes in some cases fire. But that’s stuff for another video 😂
Jesus - Get to the freaking point ! Info, not drama.
Why is it sooo difficult for people to communicate these days, it ruins their intended purpose/ point.
I am sorry mister sunshine (yeah, that was indeed sarcastic 😂) that I gave you for free all this information I discovered and had to discus all those points, because its not 1 or 2 bad things from zero, but like many, and I could not do it in 1 minute for your pleasure.
How about you make a video about this topic? Send me a link when your speed version is done (by the way, all the other people liked my version, just saying, so maybe it’s you?)
I think RUclips is not for you, maybe google will suit you better? So you don’t have to listen etc and you can scroll right away to the info?
But hee, THANKS for your appreciation for my hard unpaid work you piece of 💩
09.30 gmt I have been thinking of getting a zero motorcycle But after listening to this video 😮 I will Not ,l shall keep my 650 Kawasaki which ticks nearly all the boxes.
Lol, Zero is gonna love this video 😂
I would suggest wait a few years :) they are changing the prices and options in some country’s
But, if you do want to buy one, just know there are more brands out there and even Kawasaki is making them. Over a few years every brand has them standard :)
I've got it ! It is ONLY about the fucking price...how about the rest of it!????
? It’s not a review video. 🤷♂️ I clearly say that in the beginning.
It’s not even about the price. It’s how they sell it. If you like that, fine :) but it sounds ridiculous in my ears.
They are really hosing you guys in Europe. I paid half that for a couple models under the one you showed and didn't have to get any extras plus I charge for free at work. There is barely any difference with my version. It's not for everyone obviously but I love my Zero SR. They definitely have a questionable business model though.
i know, prices are ridiculous here. Especially here in the Netherlands. Everything has gone trough the roof and its a hard life these days 😬
Yes the us is cheaper .. luckily energica is cheaper in europe .. and wait till you need customer services from zero ..
If you're not signed in on the app OR leave your phone home, those options are disabled.
Zero needs to think in the long term. Screwing your Zero motorcycle riders for maximum profit is not going to endear your riders to the Zero brand. I have read quite a few articles about how Zero must think they are the only game in town. We all know they are not. It also seems that every video I've watched comparing a Zero to a LiveWire, well, the LiveWire makes the Zero seem like doodo. Zero needs to hire some new engineers because their bikes haven't seemed to change in the past 5 or more years. Power Tank is just a bunch of crap. Put that power in the other battery and stop trying to see how stupid your Zero buyers are because they must be mentally challenged to give you crooks a freaking penny.
I got the DSR. I’m new to riding so I got this because it’s easy to ride. I get about 150 miles, mostly off highway riding. I love it.
i love electric bikes and i agree the Zero bikes are over priced.
That beautiful ultraviolette f77 in the intro is going to change everything when it hits the west. I want one of those bad, india knows how to price their bikes properly while still offering good performance
TL;DR - Lithium is still expensive compared to gasoline...
Get to the point dude. No one likes having their time wasted.
This video is like :
Whoa, buddy boy. There's some things I want to talk about. When I tell you what those things are you will be shocked. I looked into it, it's all true. Let me list the things I will not talk about. Okay not lets talk about the things I will talk about. Are you ready? Okay there's the price; but you already knew that right? Of course you did. But listen to this because it gets worse than expected...
What do you mean with “things I will not talk about”? Did you even watched the whole video?
It’s the scam of the century and it costs some time to break it down step by step to show you guys how it’s keep adding up all the time.
Maybe RUclips shorts is more your thing…just saying
At least the power adapter didn’t cost $3500
Know one's forcing you to buy one . I give Zero a ton of credit for making a go at it . Even at these premium prices they are probably losing money
Why would they? Other brands can make it for a third of the price?
try to find ccs level 2 charging in a row they trick you
you are very inaccurate!
there are other things like if you dont plug it to charge every month it logs it and battery become dead completely and warranty void. if you let it drqin below 30 percent for 2 week also logs it and warranty void, and battery dead.
battety is about 80 percent of the full price.
I ordeted one from local seller and it turnef out during first 4 months of storage they did not plug to charge and the new battery is dead.
I have to wait a month to get a reacement battery and Zero does not pay it, the seller had to pay it.
Zero has terrible support, voids warranty by any readon about charging etc. Has only slow charging in most models and no DC charge.
But I still pay all my money as I only buy now electric motors since I started using them.
But why am I inaccurate? I’ve got all my info from their own website
@@TheRideWithRoland inaccurate as not adding experience of owners. There are many other aspects make Zero a bad choice, but you mostly talk about EV stuff and whats on their website. In real life EV of course has some general issues but those who are using electric has good feeling also and not buying just to save money.
The biggest drawback is Zero, wich is not written on their website just on social meda.
Quality of their product, service and how they void warranty by any unecpected step you make with your motorcycle.
Numbers on website just some advertisement tricks.
For example used ones are dirt cheap at America, and has already tested by owners or installed extras.
You could try it with other kind of electric motorcycle and that would be more accurate.
For example I just bought a new Zero from a showroom and its battery was already dead by storage at their only official sub-dealer here and Zero not giving them a new battery for free....
If something breaks causr quality issue and you are still under warranty period somehow, but you have insurance they tell you to replace it on the insurace monet not under warranty, manu cases like that.
DC charg facts are also missing.
For DC the battery voltage need to be much higher so they have to make more series of blocks in battery, but they are based on the 28S deseign. No way to add DC fast charge unless they redesign everything, power system, engine etc....
Unlocking features for extra money: it is very common nowadays.
Software is like this, operating system, computer games has already extra function and you can unlock by paying extra for it.
Nothing special.
@@fotoamgamgfoto3695 my video was about zero, and not about electric motorcycles in general. I say that in the beginning of the video.
I don’t care what you ride.
But I do know that there are much cheaper electric options out there.
To me this all looks that some of the electric companies take advantage of this whole green idea. I also say that in the video, if you want the whole world To go electric, this is not the correct way.
And I also said in the video, based of users reviews that it’s not a perfect bike at all.
Although many people dont seem to care about this whole scam. In fact, they payed a lot of money for their zero so they gave the video a thumb down. And that’s just stupid in my eyes.
I don’t care whatever story or experience you have with the zero. When it’s more money then a brand new Gsa, something is wrong here.
Personal, I don’t believe in electric vehicles, simply because there is not enough lithium in the world to do it. So it will become more rare and the prices will at least double.
But it seems that nobody has ever thought about that. 🤷♂️
I own a 21 srf an I respect this video.
You should 😃 The video has nothing to do with the bikes, its more that i dont like it that they sqeeze every penny out of their clients. thats just not cool 😬
I like my 10 year old NC700X. Costs as much as an upgrade from Zero😁, but goes for 350km with one fuel😀
plus, it will last forever. its a honda :D
I'm converting my old triumph to electric . It's 8 miles to work and back and the damn thing already has an antique tag.
Hey Roland, moet je voor de gein eens kijken bij KTM, die zijn nog veel erger. Ze laten je eerst 1500 kilometer wennen aan de opties om ze daarna te vergrendelen. Zodra je betaald worden ze weer gedeblokkeerd.
Ik weet het, en ik heb ze al in het vizier ;) probleem is dat ik er niet achter kan komen om welke opties het nou precies gaat en wat de kosten zullen zijn.
DLC voor motoren moet geen standaard ding worden en dit kunnen we alleen maar stoppen door ze te laten weten dat we dit niet willen, zodat andere fabrikanten hier weer handig op in gaan spelen.
Voordeel van dit alles weer is dat hackers hier natuurlijk met een of andere plug komen die de boel unlocked waar ktm nu al mee bezig is in rechtszaken om het mogelijk te maken dat de garantie dan zou vervallen.
Het hangt echt van de prijzen af en om welke opties het nou precies gaat om hier nu wat zinnigs over te zeggen 😬
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Wat ! Dat is helemaal schandalig zeg !! Gelukkig een heel goede oplossing voor: NIET KOPEN !
Serious ? Vorig jaar een Norden 901 gekocht. Niks was tijdelijk unlocked vanaf de start. Dat ding heeft negen ride modus. Net als de ktm 890r. Maar het kost je volgens mij bijna 500.00 Euro om dit te unlocken. Een soort van Explorer mode.
Het ziekelijke was ook nog dat het eerste half jaar werd vermeld dat het nog niet beschikbaar was net zoals veel ander fysiek hardware.🤬
Echt ziek toch ? Ff aan de laptop hangen. Meer was her niet. En dan zeggen nog niet beschikbaar. Alsof het iets was wat nog ontwikkeld moest worden. Compleet Cognitive Warfare. Ze denken gewoon. Iedereen die zo gek was met Covid gelooft dit ook wel. Cashen !!!! Yeah !!!
Pure oplichterij. Knieschijf verschuivend waardig.
En dan ook nog een paar maanden later uitkomen met een nieuwe motor waarbij alle ellende van software en goedkope vering veranderd is. Iedereen die dus een 2022 model had gekocht is letterlijk bestolen. Huft*rs zijn het. Mensen moeten hard werken bij een stupid job om motorijden überhaupt te kunnen betalen. Om ze dan vervolgens ook nog eens zo te gaan rippen is wel heel errug evil.
Maar je zei dat autofabrikanten dit ook zo doen ? Ik ken het alleen van KTM en Husqvarna. Ziekelijk is het.
Ze zouden iedereen dat geld moeten terugbetalen en hun excuses moeten aanbieden.
En vraag mij zelfs af of zulke praktijken überhaupt juridisch wel eens toegestaan zijn ?
Well,some people are smart and others stupid
lol 😂
Options are much overpriced -
6kW charger 3000euro - I know they designed it from scratch to fit - but for example 6kW charger in china (very good quality) ip65/67 even with can BUS cost about 800-1200 MAX
cables/evse/adapters 300/500 euro - WTF - good 22kW cable can be bought for about 120, - small evse 13A - wallsocket for about 120 as well, 11kW 3 phase - 200-220 max
yes. Now only the elite can tribute to the green planet. thats weird.
Pretty sure that model you’re talking about already has the fast charger installed onto the back with that price. Idk why they allow you to select a feature that’s already on that model. PS that model also as access to the entire cyber store already. Don’t need to buy anything on their app when you buy that bike model. It’s all included with that model and price. In the end the bike is very pricey as is. But all the things you’re trying to point out aren’t even relevant to the model at hand. Lol weird
Yeah, they changed it in 2023.
The video is shot in 2022, and as you can see I got the info directly from their website.
I think because of videos like this they changed because it was upsetting people 😃
Price change as in some countries as bikes are highly taxed in some vs electric bikes are not, add to that government benefits for insurance and other stuff.
I watched the video till the end, i own a Zero for 2 years bike 112k km battery 48k km and it is like new. Yap like new,.
Take the cost of fuel and maintenance of allllll the bikes you mentioned above (on aggressive driving) the Zero returned its cost alrady.
You r missing the point completely any product can be sold at any price as long as prople continues to by it and apprenly people do. The problem woth Zero is reliability, build quality and service.......all are bad to worst.
And onle ladt thing, who cars what other bikers think of me as long as the bike accelerate like hellll
Thanks for your input.
This video is not against electric bikes, it’s just the way zero seems to squeeze every Penny out of their clients.
You say the build quality, service and reliability is bad, but that’s not something you would expect by a bike this expensive, right?
Plus, I really think the prices second hand will drop fast once the battery had its best time, so the profit you have now will be over a few years be a serious loss. It’s not easy to sell then knowing what bill lays ahead for a battery change.
But that’s not what the video is about. It’s just about they can’t seem to get enough. It’s bad for the client, but also for the whole motorcycle industry since more companies are messing now with DLC. They should have kept that in the gaming world in my opinion, not in bikes or cars. And we must take a stand for that stuff, whatever you ride, don’t you agree? :)
Great job Roland, you've helped us tremendously to make our decision, fuck Zero!!!
Lol 😂
Scam, perhaps, but it's the coming business model. Subscriptions for things that are already built in is bad enough but those things are just as easily deactivated and the excuse is probably going to be much like the computer industry. "We're sorry for the inconvenience but the latest firmware upgrade is not compatible with your model year. Customers were warned to turn off auto updates in a footnote to the announcement of this upgrade which includes a new firmware protection option to prevent this from reoccurring. Thank you for being an XYZ company customer."
thats why this need to be stopped. The more people complain, the sooner it will be gone or other brands step in without those options and sell more.
Zooo dat is een duidelijk verhaal .mis de kosten van een nieuwe batterij dat zou ook niet mis zijn
Geen idee, maar een nieuwe batterij is gewoon Total los
For that amount of money you can buy a honda vfr 1200 dct, Africa twin dct, nc 750 dct
How about a fully specked bmw r1250 gs adventure and then still you have money left
Heb je het RUclips kanaal van "Marc Travels" gevolgd? Je hoeft de app niet te gebruiken om meer km uit je motor te halen. Zet hem 5 minuten stil. Opnieuw starten en klaar. Maar ik ben met je eens dat get bizar is om deze "opties" alleen tegen betaling vrij te geven.
Ik ken Marc maar klinkt dat niet meer als een soort van intern probleem met dat herstarten?
Maar sinds je Marc en dus reis avonturen volgt, er staan op mijn kanaal heel wat reizen, nu ben ik bezig met een reeks uit Vietnam. Geef het eens een poging, ik denk dat je het wel gaaf vind :)
Ooowee! Looks like Zero is committing suicide! With Harley Davidson’s LiveWire bikes kicking ass at lower (but still HIGH) prices and better tech without upgrades they won’t stand a chance and that stock won’t return any profits. None of these bikes should cost over $15k with such low range distance and time to charge.
i agree :)
als ze een batterij kunnen upgraden via een app. Wie zegt dat ze dat ook niet vanop afstand weer kunnen downgraden. Kwestie dat je denkt dat je batterij "op" is en zo een nieuwe koopt.
Btw KTM doet ook al aan upgrades via een app. Bij auto's doen Mercedes en BWM dit ook al
eens :)
Riding a BMW CE 04, I never seriously have considered to purchase a (of course smaller and cheaper) Zero because of some of Your reasons.
ive made also a video about the Ce 04. please dont watch it lol
@@TheRideWithRoland I already have. Your point of view is an other than mine. The CE 04 is not for every use case. (For mine it's almost perfect!)
Complete nonsense. I have the SR/F from 2020. It charges in 70 min to full. Gives me 150 mile range. Accelerates like a spaceship. Totally reliable. This video is simply false
If you saw the video, instead of reacting on it, you knew it’s all about the micro transactions they do. It’s not about the bike at all. 🤷♂️
In fact, videos like this, made it happen that they stopped with it, what seems to me like a good thing when you are a zero rider. I don’t care about your bike. I don’t care if you like it or not, this video is not a review video. So next time, first watch a video before you respond maybe?
@@TheRideWithRoland No. Your title is deliberately provocative, misleading and directly attacks the motorcycle itself; your title isn't "ZERO DOES A WEIRD THING WITH MICRO TRANSACTIONS"--a claim which itself is specious given the fact that I've had a Zero for 4 years and have no idea what you're talking about-- it's "ZERO = HORRIBLE," effectively. And it's nonsense. 1. I assure you that there is absolutely no connection between Zero's supposed change in policy and your video; 2. If you weren't intending to bash the company and their bikes, why title your video "THE HORRIBLE TRUTH about ZERO Motorcycles" ... 3. Sorry. But you're spreading false information. And you're in no position to lecture me about how to handle it when I confront it.
@@shanekraus9905 I never understood why people like you are just defending that you are getting ripped off 🤷♂️🤷♂️
It’s just a bike man, it’s not a religion. And if you are happy with your bike then fine. But you must be a special breed when you are happy what they did to their costumers…
I am not even attacking the company. I just show how they do it and I, and many many others don’t agree with that.
You, as a zero rider, should be very glad with those kind of video’s because they stopped with it. And look at you know, almost screaming hey zero, take my money. Moron
@@TheRideWithRoland You are so confused. And so unbelievably small. My SR/F has literally changed my life it's made me so happy. Zero, with no obligation to do so, replaced my battery for free TWICE. The idea that they are screwing over their customers is just false. And, you ARE attacking the company. 100%. "THE HORRIBLE TRUTH ABOUT ZERO MOTORCYCLES" ... Are you really too stupid to understand this is an attack? I'm not gonna call you a moron; I'm not gonna get in a protracted back and forth with you. I'll let you decide for yourself.
Why do i have to change my battery on 5 years??? 🤯🤯
You don’t, but the life of a Battery is around 5-7 years. Then it will drain faster and faster.
@@TheRideWithRoland sorry, but my experience with ev is not like that 🤷🏻♂️
Absolutely excellent Roland - made me smile. I'd go even further and say electric is a stop gap until we can get hydrogen. Now riding a bomb will be fun lol
Well, not sure , both are a problem.
There is not enough lithium to make every vehicle electric, and to create hydrogen cost a serious lot of energy. Soooo tell me what the solution is? 🤷♂️
@@TheRideWithRoland there's no solution at the moment we need technology to catch up and provide one.
@@terrysmith-NC750X The technology is here today. Energica have a very interesting offer. It is just a bit too expensive today. It is still a niche for early adopters that are willing to pay extra. Give it a few extra years. Once the big brand start to jump on it, the prices will surely drop. It is just a matter of economies of scale.
@@mmistermusic I'm not convinced by electric the world can't produce enough for every vehicle to run on electric. Plus the infrastructure is not there and will not be. Also the amount of copper required means we will have to mine significantly more just draining the world of a different resource to crude, plus plastic production, lithium the list goes on. There is no alternative at the moment but its for the wealthy. There's lots of development underway with synthetic and sustainable fuels in the aviation world, but they to have the issues. Green hydrogen is a solution but it's not scalable yet and blue still consumes fossil fuels. There's no answer yet, if we can come up with one we will be rich. Hopefully the world will get there. But what do I know.
@@terrysmith-NC750X It will surely require time. We will get there. A few years ago they said the lack of cobalt would be an issue. Now we have batteries without it. Then they said the lack of lithium would be a problem. And several new lithium mines have been discovered. Today we see there is an abundance of lithium. Step by step all problems are being solved. I am optimistic about it. I think the automotive world will look completely different in 10 years. It will not take very long. We are getting to the steep part of the S-curve.
What I find important is that we all try to support this within our own possibilities. The sooner we can get rid of our fossil fuel addiction, the better. I went fully electric: car, heating and motorcycle.
I hear you, 2018 Zero SR with power tank...
But, yeah, Cypher is a scam...
so much TECH - 2021 model still has NON LED blinkers/indicators (I dont know about main lights)
Really?? thats insane...
@@TheRideWithRoland yes, I spoke with salesman in local dealership 1-2 weeks ago, but I dont see any ZERO in person - I will buy one in april/may '23
So ... if you want range and fast charging buy an energica ..yes its wxpensive .. but 90% of people buy it for their company . So basically its at halfprice ! .. i ve had a zerofor 7 years . I know
Need a hacker on this then buy the basic and a nice hacker problem solved
100% sure that this will happen yes :D only they are taking legal actions now, so they can drop the warrenty if that happens
wist je dat dit ook bij de teslas het geval is dat alle opties al zijn ingebouwd en je juist een andere update moet installeren,...ja zoals airco dat is al ingebouwd en moet enkel worden geupdate via software ........
For a start way too expensive. See where we are in 10 yrs...
indeed :)
Totally agreed with you Roland 👍
Thanks Kemadat :)
Any bike manufacturer could add those and go cheaper and take the market overnight.
thats what i believe also
To be honest i would really like to buy a zero. They are awesome. Don't worry about the price electric vehicles are not going down in price. Don't blame the manufacturers.
I have seen some reviews on the zero and they are pretty good.
My suggestion? Just wait because every motorcycle brand out there is making / planning electric motorcycles. And I bet for a better price plus better build
@@TheRideWithRoland I had to step down from my 1995 fireblade I think it was 898 cc. Unnfortunatly I sold the bike to pay a tax I didn't pay with the money anyway. I bought an electric scooter 3 kilowatt hub motor 72 volt 46 amp hour battery configuration. Its good to ride around. There is an electric motocycle desav building in Australia. Perhaps more affordable although out of my price range at the moment. Thankyou for the reply. The later model fonzarellie isnt too bad I have one. Its not an Arthur although same shape.
The thing is you can get a energica ego that is better out the door for the same price as a SR/S without having to buy options on the cypher store.
So many things wrong with the rubbish this guy talks, Zero have announced the cypher store upgrades are free now, electricity charging at home is massively cheaper than filling an equivalent petrol, and the battery is good for 200,000 miles ,most petrol bikes would be long dead by then.
I am not wrong, In the Netherlands its not free. they change the rules per country. and i got my info from the Dutch side. Probably they changed that in some country's because i was not the onlu who noticed it and was complaining about it, there are many youtubers out there who mentioned this DLC content on their app.
And battery's don't last that long. Maybe in the future but not now. it will run for 200.000 miles for sure, only you can run it for 1 mile then and then its empty again.
Also, they just made some announcement about that they listen to their custumers (while they just had a money injection of 107 milllion from investors) and that they will look at the program.
as far as i can see they never claimed it will be free, and what when they do? are they giving the people who bought the options their money back?
Look, its nice you ride a ZERO bike, but why on earth would you defend a company and their policy who are sqeezing every penny out of you? You can like the bike, but you must be some next level of stupid if you agree with all those things what zero does i mentioned in the video.
And the whole video is not about electric vs fuel, ride whatever you want to ride. but don't cheer for this kind of scam acts. (KTM is doing the same now, and also there will be a lot of protest ofcourse )
@@TheRideWithRoland Hi, I ride a zero S which is much cheaper, I don’t defend Zero, they have made some great bikes and made some dumb business decisions that pissed a lot of owners off. But the cypher store upgrades aren’t for the cheaper bikes like mine. I get circa 150 miles of range and very happy with that. Would I pay £26k on a SR S ? no it’s insane you can get a good
new car for that amount of money! But in the UK a lot of charging points in supermarkets are actually free. Costs me Circa £3 to charge at home for 150 miles on
a full charge but would cost £20 in petrol. For me that’s a saving of nearly £1800 a year. As a commuting bike it’s hard to beat and would recommend you try one out. But if electricity is that expensive in the NL then I doubt you’re interested. The battery life should be good for 200,000 miles (agreed it’s not the range on one charge!) and there is minimal to no servicing required. Hate the bikes by all means, but sales of petrol bikes will eventually stop, however, please don’t give investment advice!
@@swss thanks for your reply :)
Let me get this straight, I don’t hate the bikes and I know this will be the future , or maybe hydrogen peroxide (really looking forward to that, what they come up with)
And, as a commuting bike electric bikes are really a good option. I just don’t understand why the prices are that insane high. Take the other brand for instance, energica. It goes high above 30k. And there are many companies out there, mostly Chinese, who builds them for 5k?
To me this all feels like the companies are taking advantage of this whole “green” thing.
I would never buy a motorcycle above 30k. It’s just weird to buy 2 wheels while you good have a serious good car for the same money.
I am working now on a video where I want to show how the motorcycle industries lured us into buying overpriced motorcycles and how the whole experience changed to something else then it used to be. Very interesting:) and I am sure that video will piss off a few people but that’s not the intention. 😬
Back to the electric bikes: on my channel there you will find many travel video’s and that’s what I do the most. Electric is not a option for me then, and I know , some do.
If I need to pay more then a gsa and I cannot get the same or more Miles out of it, I prefer to go for a gsa then. 🤷♂️
@@TheRideWithRoland dude it’s all good and I’m not pissed off at all I love this kind of debate! As for the Chinese bikes at £5k the Super Soco TCMax is not a good bike, it looks cool but is not up to Japanese quality standards. I had one as my first bike, loved it until it kept cutting out on me. Numerous electrical gremlins, and finally a total battery failure 😞. Traded it in with the dealer that sold it to me and bought the Zero S from him instead and never looked back. There are some better Chinese electric bikes out there such as the Koulter/Artisan ES Pro. But the real world range on these smaller bikes is circa 50-60 miles 80 km, which is not enough.
import electric motorcycles and scooters from India, it's very cheap here and can offer great performance and range.
i believe they do :) Only i am not in the motorcycle selling industry :D
Please do one for Energica as well. Hmm, unless you already have and I'm wasting my time writing this. I'm about to check.
Well, KTM is doing the same thing so they might be next. But before i can make a video i need to know the numbers etc, and untill now thats very unclear.
Thank you Dutchman Roland!
What is extra radius???
So you can ride it a bit more longer before the battery is empty
Software locking is turdy thing to do.