"In this dead tongue"...gaeilge is anything BUT a dead tongue.Had the native language of the Irish not been beaten out of us through the national schools systems of the late 1800's and early 1900s,had the British people stopped importing Irish produce into Britain to feed their own greed during the famine,had planters not been parachuted into Ulster,once the most Gaelic part of Ireland,today,Irish would be our first language and the one used in EU assemblies.
can i just say that there are people in the North who speak Irish on a daily basis and as their first language. I myself am very proud to say that I come from a small rural community, and our community was a few years ago the only area in Ireland, outside of the Gaeltacht regions, north or south, where the majority of children were educated through the IME (Irish Meduim Education)
Tá mé ach an ceathrú cuid na hÉireann nach bhfuil i bhfad ach tá mé measctha le Filipino agus Pakastani. Tá mé ag iarraidh a fhoghlaim beagán hÉireann. ag déanamh go maith go leor má iarrann tú dom. Is féidir liom a bheith i ndáiríre go hiomlán ar chomhrá. D'fhoghlaim mé i ndáiríre conas a labhairt agus a scríobh go líofa na hÉireann. Tá súil agam go díreach nach bhfuil an ghaeilge paróiste toisc go bhfuil hÉireann teanga an-álainn GO BA CHÓIR NÁ dearmad!
Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam agus tir gan cultúr. (A country without a language is a country without a soul and a country without a culture.) Jim Allister wants the Irish language, culture, and soul to die in Ireland. He is a hater. His wish will not be granted, not ever. I had a cousin who lives in the west of Ireland who speaks Irish fluently and who never learned English. When I told that to someone in Belfast, the response to me was, "What? Is she stupid?" My reply was, "No, she is not stupid. Her second language is French, not English."
@MsMissy This is the Internet Buddy, I think people will pretty much do what they want until you arrive at their doorstep with a pair of boxing gloves😆 (Highly recommended by the way, that always ends well😘)
Key point though: Jim Allister is NOT campaigning for millions of taxpayers money for documents, political speaches and committee minutes to be translated into Ulster Scots.
I'm curious as to the difference. Have you got any examples that highlight the differences? Not trying to be funny here. I do remember the census returns from 1901/1911 - the question was asked about language, and many Protestants (who had long since turned to English) wrote down Irish. I guess they were referring more to the Ulster dialect or other Hiberno-English dialects.
"Saor in Aisce na hEireann do Breataine, ta Eire aontaithe in aice!!" Free Ireland from British rule, a united Ireland is near!! That nice enough for you mo chara.
@@TimoMomo Bet ya in 7 more years your not laughing... Its united Ireland by stealth, brick by brick and it's been heading only one direction since 1985 Anglo-Irish Agreement. The current generation of PUL are the generation that will lose Ulster. Tic tok
The "old view", by the way, was that the land bridge connected Ireland (in the south and mid-east) to what is now England. The more recent view is that, as the ice retreated, the land bridge was between Scotland and the north of Ireland.
TY UDK. I noticed I made a mistake in what I typed though. What I meant to say was that being British does NOT make a person any less Scottish, Irish, English or Welsh.
seen a newspaper clip where a james allister gave a speech to a shankill crowd saying the papists who live in such address dont support the red white and blue, we say no surrender would this happen to be you jim? so instead of sharing you want to fight to get as much for yourself?
@@derekmcgregor7459 Ha! Yeah right, Irish is one of the most beautiful languages! Especially when sung, "Ulster Scots", I shall refrain from slandering but I'm not exactly a fan.
I'm Irish and I think Jim is great, whenever I want a good laugh I just spark up a spliff and stick on Jim Allister, never knew such a bitter wee man could be so funny. vóta do Jim allister, roinnt craic!
I agree with that: the Belfast Agreement did NOT mention the option of indefinitely remaining in the UK, nor of the option of the Republic reuniting with the UK. The border poll of c.1973 was also unfair, because so many Roman Catholics were intimidated to not vote.
(...cont) and recorded by Ptolemy in his geography. The Brigantes and Manapii were recorded in both Ireland and Britain. It is no surprise to me that "rock art" or cup-and-ring marks are found on continental Europe - where we all came from. Again, cup-and-ring examples are found all over the British Isles. Finally, I state again: I'm unsure that the Greeks ever mentioned Gaelic-speakers, though Aristotle referred to Ireland as an island which "lay beyond the Celts".
No. Just because there has been an older site discovered, doesn't mean that site is actually older than anywhere else. I am not talking about mythology, by the way - I am talking about pre-history. There could be many reasons why an older site hasn't been found elsewhere: the ice itself, destroying evidence of settlement; natives or more recent populace interfering with such sites, sites that weren't abandoned in the first place. As for "old view proven wrong years ago", you'll have to clarify.
People from this part of the UK have had the opportunity to get ROI passports for decades - it's nothing new, and predates the GFA by a longshot. The GFA did not alter the citizenship laws of either the UK or the ROI.
Yeah, I've only heard them saying it a couple of times myself. But it was at least a step in the right direction. There was one SF MLA, btw, who tried to implement a directive amongst their staff to refer to NI as "here" and the mainland as "there" in civil service communication. A ridiculous state of affairs in my opinion.
... in 1984 which asked the question, "When did the Irish first arrive in Ireland?" The definition of 'Irish' was limited to the idea that nobody but the Gael is entitled the name. So, immediately closed-minded.
part 3 . . Here, in a forest clearing, they erected a series of tent-like structures, fashioned out of wooden posts and covered in hides or thatch With no knowledge of farming, their inhabitants had to rely totally on the natural world for sustenance. In this regard, the campsite at Mount Sandel was well chosen. Not only was it surrounded by dense forests full of wild pigs and close to a river abundant in fish, rich coastal and estuarine resources were located relatively nearby. COUNT
It was a general election in 1918 - not a referendum. The Irish Unionist Party objected to SF's provisional parliament. The question of Ireland being in the union was brought up at least two times: in the Treaty of 1920, in which it was ratified by a close vote entirely consisting of SF politicians in the Dail, and later in the 1998 Belfast Agreement. Both dealt specifically with Northern Ireland's continued position as a member state within the UK.
Our government has very few people who can speak or read Irish Gaelic. Kenny and Higgins are members of a different country. That country also rejected Irish Gaelic, but pay it slightly more than a cursory nod for tradition.
As for the idea that there's ten times more Roman Catholics then Protestants on the housing list - that has never been the case. Back in the 1960s and 1970s, there were proportionately MORE Roman Catholics living in public housing than Protestants. Politician Austin Currie said, of the Caledon incident, "if I was to wait a thousand years I'd never get another chance like this". Why? Because discrimination in housing wasn't the rule. It was the very rare exception.
On the contrary: the Greeks referred to the British as "Prettanoi" and noted that these people inhabited both islands. This was rendered "Brittanic" and came to refer specifically to that area the Romans controlled: the southern half of the island we now call Great Britain. So really it was the Romans who originally divided us.
It doesn't matter what religion has the majority, Pat. It's a political question and, so far, all the polls indicate that only a minority of RCs desire a united Ireland in NI.
I'm not Irish or European so I was wondering if someone could give me a bit of background here? Is this guy actually proposing that the EU does not recognise Irish as a language? When he is Northern Irish? Or have I come off the wrong foot here?
The idea of the island of Great Britain being the sole British inhabitants is a relatively recent, Roman, construct. They referred to their province as Britannia, ignoring the fact that they didn't conquer ALL of he Pretanic Isles (British Isles).
Even Modern scholars still use this as a way of identifying genocide. Genocide is a broad term as put by Israel Charny (1944) "Genocide in the generic sense means the mass killing of substantial numbers of human beings" which is the only narrow definition you accept. . Also just because you dont like a quote doesn't make it any less reputable.
English was embraced by us in the latter half of the 19th century. Many of us sent our kids to school specifically to learn English. The point of me mentioning the aboriginal pre-Gaelic population, is that their language and culture was suppressed and all but replaced by the Gaels for at least 1,200 years. Unfortunately, it wasn't able to endure.
No, I said 7-9,000 years, when I meant 7-9,000 years BC. Easy mistake to make, and I apologised for it. You'll have to get over the idea that we arrived from Ibernia. That's where the Gaels arrived from - around 2,000 years ago. Ireland was already populated. I'm not sure the Greeks noted Gaelic people in Ireland before the Romans came to Britain - Ptolemy's map, for example, suggests no Gaelic presence at that time.
We seem to agree on something at last, despite our differences in what the names actually were: that the people of the two islands were basically one and the same peoples. ;)
Not as much? What does that mean? It makes a difference in that if we're the same, it invalidates the premise of a divided country (as in the separation of Ireland from the rest of it).
... but the age of a language doesn't necessarily dictate when any given population arrived in a place, or when any given language arrived in a place. I respect that you believe the Gaels have always been in Ireland. From what I have learned though, they arrived around 2,000 years ago. The Lebor Gabála Érenn tells us how, even though it tried to do the opposite. The clue's in the name, translated as "Book of the taking of Ireland". I don't believe Oppenheimer has any reason to be biased.
The city was never called Derry, or Doire. There was an abandoned monastic settlement either on the east bank or an island in the river. The London Companies built it and settled it with workers, and so it was named in honour of the ancient settlement and the London corporation. The county wasn't called Derry OR Londonderry, having been County Coleraine before that. As for "Derry" - it's just short for Londonderry, just as "Carrick" is short for Carrickfergus.
The people of the British Isles were called Pretani by the Celtic-speaking Gauls and labelled as such by Diodorus et al. Artistotle referred to Ierne: an island which lay beyond the Celts.
Sorry, I don't know what you mean at all and the connection of that to Standard Irish. At any rate, according to Dineen, pre-standardisation of the spelling of Irish the language was most commonly known as Gaedhilge. This wouldn't be Old Irish, since that ceased to be in mid-eval times.I think what you're referring to is Middle Irish. Prior to modern politics, Gaedhilge would've referred to Manx, & Scots Gaelic as well.The other terms you mentioned were considered synonyms w/o distinction.
.... And then, suddenly, they transfer to the Republic of Ireland - with which they have no familial connection, where they've never lived, where they weren't born etc. Nothing. But they can go in an instant. And all those years of training, all those months of training, all that money is utterly wasted and irretrievable. It's sad. It's completely legal under FIFA as far as I know, but it's still sad. Such a loss for the Association which gave them so much to develop. It's a slap in the face.
No its a quote by Raphael Lemkin in 1944 from his book: Axis Rule in Occupied Europe ix. 79. This was made to identify the way genocide had been carried out including its long-term plans as a way to define the massacres of 1915 during and after WW1 against the Armenians and Assyrians by the Ottoman Empire . That same man actually coined the term genocide in 1943 but apparently his quotes aren't reputable enough for you.
2012: 88.4% of Protestant school leavers and 88.3% of [Roman] Catholic school leavers achieved at least five GCSEs A*-G including English and Maths. The reason more RCs are going to university is that they're choosing to. More Protestants are going straight into employment. It was 1987 that showed RCs finally catching up with Protestant kids in terms of A- and O-level (GCSE) results. Also, Protestant students are more likely to go to uni in Britain, apparently.
Historians appear to have a different view: the debate goes on as to whether the Pretani (Picts) were Celtic-speaking, or spoke a non-Indo-European language like that of the Basques. They were certainly in the Isles before the Gael arrived though. The word Prydein is a late Welsh description of the peoples, brought to us from the Greek 'Pritani'. It is unknown whether the Picts were the same people as the aboriginal inhabitants, but many scholars seem to believe it to be the case.
Views of historians, geneticists and archaeologists from the 2000s and 2010s. The last Ice Age may have ended as long ago as 16,000 BC, according to some theories. But we could argue our beliefs about when and how (and where from) this initial migration took place all day long. Here's the thing: Oppenheimer basically says that the people of Ireland and GB are the same people, genetically speaking. So here's a question for you: when do you think the Gaels arrived in Ireland?
Let's look at the polls: Those in favour of remaining part of the UK (direct rule or devolved): 62% In favour of separating and joining a united Ireland: 16% Independent state: 5% All others: 16%
Ever heard of Latin? The Roman Catholic national schools discouraged Gaelic until near the end of the 1800s. In the 1800s also, we sent our children to national schools specifically to learn English, as it had already become the language of business and industry. People who didn't speak a word of English sent their kids to learn it, as they thought it was a good way to improve their prospects.
Actually, in 1918, the Irish Unionists made up more than 25% of the Irish population. And the 1920 Treaty didn't even really involve the Unionists. It was, as I said, ratified by Sinn Fein. The anti-Treaty lot, as the IRA so often does, split into factions: those who agreed to democracy, and those who didn't. The Agreement did ask specifically about NI's constitutional status. Northern Ireland wasn't set up "illegally". But the Republic flouted laws in that regard, I believe.
Just to let you know, Jim Allister is no longer a Member of the European Parliament, so has one less forum in which to spout this stuff. Irrespective of what status Irish has in Northern Ireland (which is NOT the same as Ulster) it is an offical language in the Republic of Ireland, and has many native speakers as well as fluent speakers.
I'm talking about numbers taking part, not numbers in attendance. We could actually both be right on this one lol. We will not limit our parades to a single parade at the battle site. We have had to give up enough recently to Sinn Fein/IRA, without falling into their hands by having a single parade, which they can then concentrate their attack on. The country 12th parades are a fantastic family occassion with no trouble whatsoever, so I can't think of any reason why that should change
In this part of the UK people bank with national UK-wide banking companies - some of which are foreign-owned, such as Santander, Danske Bank, Bank of Ireland, First Trust UK etc etc etc NI is a region of the UK. Connacht is a region of Southern Ireland. The only banks in the province of Connacht are from outside the province.
That clause was written into the Treaty of 1920 - the Better Government of Ireland Act served as the Constitution of Northern Ireland. So nothing has changed - it's just been ratified and re-ratified, democratically. I'm sorry I missed your sarcasm, but that was one thing about the Agreement that kinda annoyed me: no option to remain indefinitely, or for the Republic to rejoin the rest of the country.
CALLIT ASITIS "Settler mindset that is 300 years out of date." Is that better or worse than a settler mindset (Gaelic hegemony) that's 1,600 years out of date?
part 2 . the cremated bone was carefully gathered together and placed within a small pit, marked by a wooden post. Over the following years two more burials were added to this small cemetery and thus Ireland’s oldest-known Site was founded. . and the one in nothern Ireland Approximately 9,000 years ago, a small band of Mesolithic hunter-gathers south of Ireland chose a high ridge over-looking the River Bann in modern day Co. Derry as their home. part 2
The discovery of an older site in a specific region doesn't mean that region itself is somehow older. It is illogical to deduce that just because a site is discovered in one place that happens to be quite old, that no other places had been inhabited prior to it. A similar assumption had been made in the past that just because Q-Celtic (Gaelic) is older than P-Celtic (Brythonic) that the people who spoke it were somehow older themselves. People moved around.
part3 . The first ever written record of the people known as the Picts came from Roman sources. In 297 A.D. the orator Eumenius referred to the Britons as 'already being accustomed to the Picti and Hiberni as enemies', implying that they had been making their presence felt for some time. so it's clear that there not the same people if they were there would be no need to name them differn'tly and not call them picts or brtons or Cruthin.
@GSchlagg Where do I begin with that comment? The "financial aid" provided by the UK Government was a loan, and as such will be repaid in full with a perfectly satisfactory interest rate. The figure was £7 Billion, not £70 Billion... In essence the loan could be described as covert re-capitalisation, as it was used solely to reconstitute British financial investments in Ireland. Arguably it would not be in the interest of the coalition to describe it as such...
Erm, no - we at least not the polls to which I am referring - BBC Jan 2013, NILTS (1998 onwards) and the UK national Census 2011. There are annual (sometimes biännual) surveys here in Northern Ireland asking mathmatically representative smples of the population what their constitutional preferences are.
So, again, if you DON'T care, then why bother making negative comments? Making negative comments indicates that you do care. I don't know what you mean about "lying" or that your judgement is not "block". What is 'block'?
We, the Irish, live right here in the British Isles. We don't live on some rock floating adrift in the mid-Atlantic. That doesn't mean that we're all identical. It doesn't mean there aren't differences. There are regional languages, regional dishes, regional accents etc. But there's far more that bonds us together than separates us. Nobody's asking you to be a subject of anyone/anything. (FYI we, in NI at least, aren't "British subjects" - we are indeed "British citizens".)
It's called sarcasm, sir. In the GFA it is made expressively clear that "It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland in its entirety remains part of the United Kingdom and shall not cease to be so without the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland" (Annex A, Page 4)
"the present wish of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland, freely exercised and legitimate, is to maintain the Union and, accordingly, that Northern Ireland’s status as part of the United Kingdom reflects and relies upon that wish; and that it would be wrong to make any change in the status of Northern Ireland save with the consent of a majority of its people" (Belfast Agreement, Constitutional Issues, Page 3)
I think there's another word in English which is as common as, say, "get" that came from Gaelic or or Celtic language, but I can never remember which word it is. Also the word 'boycott' came, not from Gaelic, but from political action taken in Ireland against a strict land agent called Charles Boycott.
Gaelic would be the old term English-speakers would refer to it as. Modern linguists divide them as: Irish, and Gaelic. There was no appreciable differences in the languages up until about 1800. In fact in older Irish language dictionaries, such as Dinneen (published in the 1920s), still didn't distinguish the two. But in the modern era they are recognised as separate entities. Is this an unfair designation? Probably. After all, Brazil's language is still considered Portuguese, which it is.
you do relies the name (British Isles) is a new word i have all ready esplained this . but here i go again . the name pritainc ilse was not an ethty but rather to name the smaller island after the bigger one . there have been lods of other names by the romans for these isles and other ones around this area . like the tin islands or Κασσίτερος/Kassiteros), why you people can't get this simple logic through your head is byound me .
if it is thriving the language would be spoken by many members of the Irish public like Hungarian is spoken in by hungarians in public Hungary etc. Please give me an example of a place in Ireland where most people still today speak Irish in public as a whole, I would love to visit such a place and hear ppl speaking this unique langauge even though I wouldn't understand a word they were saying
Yeah - I beg your pardon: I meant to suggest 7-9,000 years BC. Those people moved in tribes across the British Isles. When the ice melted, they were stranded. Some 7,000 years later (around the same time as the Romans arrived on our sister island), the Gaels arrived in Ireland. So a bulk pre-Gaelic population that had some 7,000 years to populate the island, with a pre-Gaelic language probably similar to the language of those they left behind in Britain.
It may imply that because of more recent events, but the British Isles is one of the most ancient names of these islands - well before the coming of the nation state or even feudalism.
I never said the Scotti deserted Ireland. However, a number went to Scotland and gave it its name. Then a number of their descendants came back. Invaders..? Or not? As for the Gaels - I thought we were discussing Gaelic here. Most historians appear to think that the Gaels arrived as part of the Celtic migrations, between 600 BC and 400 AD or thereabouts.
The Treaty was offered and discussed and formed. It was then ratified by Republicans. The partition was accepted by a majority of Republican politicians in a Dail.
If you're from Northern Ireland and if you travel to South America on an Austrian passport, you will receive assitance from the Austrian authorities if needs be. It doesn't matter what other passports you hold or are entitled to hold. Getting assistance from the Austrian consulate would not render nul and void other citizenships. You'd still be British (and maybe Irish).
I think you're probably correct about Allister. However, I wouldn't trash what you call 'Protestant' education (presumably you mean state school education, which is non-denominational). It's only in the last five or ten years that RC schools have been out-performing state schools in Northern Ireland. It's good to see the improvement in RC education, by the way. They had lagged behind for so long.
Well, no, there aren't. The census figures in Southern Ireland indicate that something around 80,000 adults speak Irish every day. The 250,000 figure includes a large amount of -18s who learn it at school (like French/German/Spanish) who just tick the "Yes, daily" boxes on the census form. It's not a dead language - granted - but it's on the way there.
"Brython" (or Prydein) is not Gaelic in origin. It is Brythonnic - a fellow Celtic language which we all would have spoken in the British Isles before the arrival of the Gaels.
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"In this dead tongue"...gaeilge is anything BUT a dead tongue.Had the native language of the Irish not been beaten out of us through the national schools systems of the late 1800's and early 1900s,had the British people stopped importing Irish produce into Britain to feed their own greed during the famine,had planters not been parachuted into Ulster,once the most Gaelic part of Ireland,today,Irish would be our first language and the one used in EU assemblies.
@msmissy6888 It is not Lies go do some research
Nobody more bitter than Jim.
Absolutely correct!@msmissy6888
I like how he says if you don't listen to her you're not missing much but then if you listen to him you get that exact same feeling
can i just say that there are people in the North who speak Irish on a daily basis and as their first language. I myself am very proud to say that I come from a small rural community, and our community was a few years ago the only area in Ireland, outside of the Gaeltacht regions, north or south, where the majority of children were educated through the IME (Irish Meduim Education)
Tá mé ach an ceathrú cuid na hÉireann nach bhfuil i bhfad ach tá mé measctha le Filipino agus Pakastani. Tá mé ag iarraidh a fhoghlaim beagán hÉireann. ag déanamh go maith go leor má iarrann tú dom. Is féidir liom a bheith i ndáiríre go hiomlán ar chomhrá. D'fhoghlaim mé i ndáiríre conas a labhairt agus a scríobh go líofa na hÉireann. Tá súil agam go díreach nach bhfuil an ghaeilge paróiste toisc go bhfuil hÉireann teanga an-álainn GO BA CHÓIR NÁ dearmad!
I would like to learn it
And yet you’re here speaking and writing in English.
SMH
Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam agus tir gan cultúr. (A country without a language is a country without a soul and a country without a culture.) Jim Allister wants the Irish language, culture, and soul to die in Ireland. He is a hater. His wish will not be granted, not ever. I had a cousin who lives in the west of Ireland who speaks Irish fluently and who never learned English. When I told that to someone in Belfast, the response to me was, "What? Is she stupid?" My reply was, "No, she is not stupid. Her second language is French, not English."
@@Stand663jealous are we 😂😂
Níl an gaeilge marbh ach tá an Éirenach ag caínt gaeilge beag.
Tá mo gaeilge ní go maith ach NÍL GAEILGE MARBH.
Póg mo thóin, tù sasanach madra.
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T.a.L.🇮🇪⚒️♥️
@MsMissy This is the Internet Buddy, I think people will pretty much do what they want until you arrive at their doorstep with a pair of boxing gloves😆 (Highly recommended by the way, that always ends well😘)
tiocfaidh ar la
He’s an Irish man that wants to be English,but the English singer at is foolish ways
This worm should be banned and forbidden from any public power for
TREASON
Irish Presbyterians were once the torch bearers for irish language!
How is brexit working out for you Jim
Jim,I've never studied "UlsterScots" but I understand every word of it !
Because it's literally English?
Haud yer wheest
Mangled English now proper Scots thats another matter
Simple answer, yes, I speak Irish. Are you going to take that too?
"Too"..? As well as what?
Key point though: Jim Allister is NOT campaigning for millions of taxpayers money for documents, political speaches and committee minutes to be translated into Ulster Scots.
I'm curious as to the difference. Have you got any examples that highlight the differences? Not trying to be funny here. I do remember the census returns from 1901/1911 - the question was asked about language, and many Protestants (who had long since turned to English) wrote down Irish. I guess they were referring more to the Ulster dialect or other Hiberno-English dialects.
"Saor in Aisce na hEireann do Breataine, ta Eire aontaithe in aice!!" Free Ireland from British rule, a united Ireland is near!! That nice enough for you mo chara.
Seven years on......😂
@@TimoMomo
Bet ya in 7 more years your not laughing...
Its united Ireland by stealth, brick by brick and it's been heading only one direction since 1985 Anglo-Irish Agreement.
The current generation of PUL are the generation that will lose Ulster. Tic tok
Brick by brick the Northern Ireland protocol has worked wonders.
Free Ireland from British rule, = I don't like democracy when it doesn't go my way
@@themaskedman221 dont worry pal it will be democratic, that's the whole concept behind a border poll
Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam
@MsMissy I hope you’re joking. Ireland has two official languages Irish & English. Some people speak Irish as their first language.
@MsMissy Can you give me a list of reasons please. I'm curious
@MsMissy Considering the amount of languages in the world I don't think anyone can say one is the best of them all.
The "old view", by the way, was that the land bridge connected Ireland (in the south and mid-east) to what is now England. The more recent view is that, as the ice retreated, the land bridge was between Scotland and the north of Ireland.
TY UDK. I noticed I made a mistake in what I typed though. What I meant to say was that being British does NOT make a person any less Scottish, Irish, English or Welsh.
"whence" - stunning word! I heard "crack" came from (Ulster-)Scots. But I'm content in spelling it "craic".
Poor old Jim. There's a 'meteor' coming that'll see for political dinosaurs.
the fact still remains Ireland as a country is older than the uk .
seen a newspaper clip where a james allister gave a speech to a shankill crowd saying the papists who live in such address dont support the red white and blue, we say no surrender
would this happen to be you jim?
so instead of sharing you want to fight to get as much for yourself?
Would you rather we spent that money on Ulster Scots?
That's something. Leo varadkar would do lol 😂
Mangled English you mean
@@oscarosullivan4513 Ulster Scots is definitely more beautiful when spoken. Irish is off putting..at least in song.
I think the fact you find it off putting less reflects the virtues of the language but rather your perception of the culture/conversation around it
@@derekmcgregor7459 Ha! Yeah right, Irish is one of the most beautiful languages! Especially when sung, "Ulster Scots", I shall refrain from slandering but I'm not exactly a fan.
I'm Irish and I think Jim is great, whenever I want a good laugh I just spark up a spliff and stick on Jim Allister, never knew such a bitter wee man could be so funny. vóta do Jim allister, roinnt craic!
By the way, having a British passport is actual proof that you are British.
Can someone compensate him as to go and stay in Scotland .
Sorry Scotland to inflict this excuse for a human on you.
I agree with that: the Belfast Agreement did NOT mention the option of indefinitely remaining in the UK, nor of the option of the Republic reuniting with the UK.
The border poll of c.1973 was also unfair, because so many Roman Catholics were intimidated to not vote.
(...cont) and recorded by Ptolemy in his geography. The Brigantes and Manapii were recorded in both Ireland and Britain. It is no surprise to me that "rock art" or cup-and-ring marks are found on continental Europe - where we all came from. Again, cup-and-ring examples are found all over the British Isles.
Finally, I state again: I'm unsure that the Greeks ever mentioned Gaelic-speakers, though Aristotle referred to Ireland as an island which "lay beyond the Celts".
Jim is the gift that keeps on giving.
No. Just because there has been an older site discovered, doesn't mean that site is actually older than anywhere else. I am not talking about mythology, by the way - I am talking about pre-history. There could be many reasons why an older site hasn't been found elsewhere: the ice itself, destroying evidence of settlement; natives or more recent populace interfering with such sites, sites that weren't abandoned in the first place.
As for "old view proven wrong years ago", you'll have to clarify.
Out of where?
People from this part of the UK have had the opportunity to get ROI passports for decades - it's nothing new, and predates the GFA by a longshot. The GFA did not alter the citizenship laws of either the UK or the ROI.
Yeah, I've only heard them saying it a couple of times myself. But it was at least a step in the right direction. There was one SF MLA, btw, who tried to implement a directive amongst their staff to refer to NI as "here" and the mainland as "there" in civil service communication. A ridiculous state of affairs in my opinion.
... in 1984 which asked the question, "When did the Irish first arrive in Ireland?" The definition of 'Irish' was limited to the idea that nobody but the Gael is entitled the name. So, immediately closed-minded.
part 3 . . Here, in a forest clearing, they erected a series of tent-like structures, fashioned out of wooden posts and covered in hides or thatch
With no knowledge of farming, their inhabitants had to rely totally on the natural world for sustenance. In this regard, the campsite at Mount Sandel was well chosen. Not only was it surrounded by dense forests full of wild pigs and close to a river abundant in fish, rich coastal and estuarine resources were located relatively nearby. COUNT
The one that was already British until some people decided we should try to have a local micro-state instead.
It was a general election in 1918 - not a referendum. The Irish Unionist Party objected to SF's provisional parliament. The question of Ireland being in the union was brought up at least two times: in the Treaty of 1920, in which it was ratified by a close vote entirely consisting of SF politicians in the Dail, and later in the 1998 Belfast Agreement. Both dealt specifically with Northern Ireland's continued position as a member state within the UK.
where's this bloke from?
The fucking moon mate.
The same man would tell you Ulster Scots is a language 😂
Our government has very few people who can speak or read Irish Gaelic.
Kenny and Higgins are members of a different country. That country also rejected Irish Gaelic, but pay it slightly more than a cursory nod for tradition.
As for the idea that there's ten times more Roman Catholics then Protestants on the housing list - that has never been the case. Back in the 1960s and 1970s, there were proportionately MORE Roman Catholics living in public housing than Protestants.
Politician Austin Currie said, of the Caledon incident, "if I was to wait a thousand years I'd never get another chance like this".
Why? Because discrimination in housing wasn't the rule. It was the very rare exception.
On the contrary: the Greeks referred to the British as "Prettanoi" and noted that these people inhabited both islands. This was rendered "Brittanic" and came to refer specifically to that area the Romans controlled: the southern half of the island we now call Great Britain. So really it was the Romans who originally divided us.
It doesn't matter what religion has the majority, Pat. It's a political question and, so far, all the polls indicate that only a minority of RCs desire a united Ireland in NI.
I'm not Irish or European so I was wondering if someone could give me a bit of background here? Is this guy actually proposing that the EU does not recognise Irish as a language? When he is Northern Irish? Or have I come off the wrong foot here?
He's from Northern Ireland and he is a Unionist (e.g someone who wants to maintain the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)
The idea of the island of Great Britain being the sole British inhabitants is a relatively recent, Roman, construct. They referred to their province as Britannia, ignoring the fact that they didn't conquer ALL of he Pretanic Isles (British Isles).
Actually, they do learn Irish Gaelic in schools in Belfast, Aisling.
Even Modern scholars still use this as a way of identifying genocide. Genocide is a broad term as put by Israel Charny (1944) "Genocide in the generic sense means the mass killing of substantial numbers of human beings" which is the only narrow definition you accept.
. Also just because you dont like a quote doesn't make it any less reputable.
English was embraced by us in the latter half of the 19th century. Many of us sent our kids to school specifically to learn English. The point of me mentioning the aboriginal pre-Gaelic population, is that their language and culture was suppressed and all but replaced by the Gaels for at least 1,200 years. Unfortunately, it wasn't able to endure.
No, I said 7-9,000 years, when I meant 7-9,000 years BC. Easy mistake to make, and I apologised for it.
You'll have to get over the idea that we arrived from Ibernia. That's where the Gaels arrived from - around 2,000 years ago. Ireland was already populated.
I'm not sure the Greeks noted Gaelic people in Ireland before the Romans came to Britain - Ptolemy's map, for example, suggests no Gaelic presence at that time.
We seem to agree on something at last, despite our differences in what the names actually were: that the people of the two islands were basically one and the same peoples. ;)
Not as much? What does that mean?
It makes a difference in that if we're the same, it invalidates the premise of a divided country (as in the separation of Ireland from the rest of it).
... but the age of a language doesn't necessarily dictate when any given population arrived in a place, or when any given language arrived in a place. I respect that you believe the Gaels have always been in Ireland. From what I have learned though, they arrived around 2,000 years ago. The Lebor Gabála Érenn tells us how, even though it tried to do the opposite. The clue's in the name, translated as "Book of the taking of Ireland". I don't believe Oppenheimer has any reason to be biased.
The city was never called Derry, or Doire. There was an abandoned monastic settlement either on the east bank or an island in the river. The London Companies built it and settled it with workers, and so it was named in honour of the ancient settlement and the London corporation. The county wasn't called Derry OR Londonderry, having been County Coleraine before that.
As for "Derry" - it's just short for Londonderry, just as "Carrick" is short for Carrickfergus.
No that's the one we want YOU to concentrate on!
The people of the British Isles were called Pretani by the Celtic-speaking Gauls and labelled as such by Diodorus et al. Artistotle referred to Ierne: an island which lay beyond the Celts.
Sorry, I don't know what you mean at all and the connection of that to Standard Irish. At any rate, according to Dineen, pre-standardisation of the spelling of Irish the language was most commonly known as Gaedhilge. This wouldn't be Old Irish, since that ceased to be in mid-eval times.I think what you're referring to is Middle Irish. Prior to modern politics, Gaedhilge would've referred to Manx, & Scots Gaelic as well.The other terms you mentioned were considered synonyms w/o distinction.
The term, "Anglo" was not used in Britannia until the century after St Patrick. He was Welsh and Romano-British,but not Anglo!
.... And then, suddenly, they transfer to the Republic of Ireland - with which they have no familial connection, where they've never lived, where they weren't born etc. Nothing. But they can go in an instant. And all those years of training, all those months of training, all that money is utterly wasted and irretrievable. It's sad. It's completely legal under FIFA as far as I know, but it's still sad. Such a loss for the Association which gave them so much to develop. It's a slap in the face.
No its a quote by Raphael Lemkin in 1944 from his book: Axis Rule in Occupied Europe ix. 79. This was made to identify the way genocide had been carried out including its long-term plans as a way to define the massacres of 1915 during and after WW1 against the Armenians and Assyrians by the Ottoman Empire . That same man actually coined the term genocide in 1943 but apparently his quotes aren't reputable enough for you.
2012: 88.4% of Protestant school leavers and 88.3% of [Roman] Catholic school leavers achieved at least five GCSEs A*-G including English and Maths. The reason more RCs are going to university is that they're choosing to. More Protestants are going straight into employment. It was 1987 that showed RCs finally catching up with Protestant kids in terms of A- and O-level (GCSE) results. Also, Protestant students are more likely to go to uni in Britain, apparently.
Alas, the LoveParade hasn't gathered since 2010.
Historians appear to have a different view: the debate goes on as to whether the Pretani (Picts) were Celtic-speaking, or spoke a non-Indo-European language like that of the Basques. They were certainly in the Isles before the Gael arrived though. The word Prydein is a late Welsh description of the peoples, brought to us from the Greek 'Pritani'. It is unknown whether the Picts were the same people as the aboriginal inhabitants, but many scholars seem to believe it to be the case.
Since it is fact Ireland, the true folly is translating the language into English. Imagine the savings!
Irish words used in English . banshee. bog. boreen.brat. clock. slew. so on
Views of historians, geneticists and archaeologists from the 2000s and 2010s. The last Ice Age may have ended as long ago as 16,000 BC, according to some theories. But we could argue our beliefs about when and how (and where from) this initial migration took place all day long. Here's the thing: Oppenheimer basically says that the people of Ireland and GB are the same people, genetically speaking. So here's a question for you: when do you think the Gaels arrived in Ireland?
Let's look at the polls:
Those in favour of remaining part of the UK (direct rule or devolved): 62%
In favour of separating and joining a united Ireland: 16%
Independent state: 5%
All others: 16%
Ever heard of Latin? The Roman Catholic national schools discouraged Gaelic until near the end of the 1800s. In the 1800s also, we sent our children to national schools specifically to learn English, as it had already become the language of business and industry. People who didn't speak a word of English sent their kids to learn it, as they thought it was a good way to improve their prospects.
I don't think Jim believes in dinosaurs! lol ;)
Actually, in 1918, the Irish Unionists made up more than 25% of the Irish population. And the 1920 Treaty didn't even really involve the Unionists. It was, as I said, ratified by Sinn Fein. The anti-Treaty lot, as the IRA so often does, split into factions: those who agreed to democracy, and those who didn't.
The Agreement did ask specifically about NI's constitutional status. Northern Ireland wasn't set up "illegally". But the Republic flouted laws in that regard, I believe.
Just to let you know, Jim Allister is no longer a Member of the European Parliament, so has one less forum in which to spout this stuff. Irrespective of what status Irish has in Northern Ireland (which is NOT the same as Ulster) it is an offical language in the Republic of Ireland, and has many native speakers as well as fluent speakers.
I'm talking about numbers taking part, not numbers in attendance. We could actually both be right on this one lol. We will not limit our parades to a single parade at the battle site. We have had to give up enough recently to Sinn Fein/IRA, without falling into their hands by having a single parade, which they can then concentrate their attack on. The country 12th parades are a fantastic family occassion with no trouble whatsoever, so I can't think of any reason why that should change
In this part of the UK people bank with national UK-wide banking companies - some of which are foreign-owned, such as Santander, Danske Bank, Bank of Ireland, First Trust UK etc etc etc
NI is a region of the UK. Connacht is a region of Southern Ireland. The only banks in the province of Connacht are from outside the province.
Where was this "widespread discrimination" against 'Catholics' in housing and jobs please?
The problem is that Irish Gaelic is being used as a political football - unlike Welsh or Scottish Gaelic.
Did you know that 'craic' is spelled 'crack' in the original English from whence it came?
That clause was written into the Treaty of 1920 - the Better Government of Ireland Act served as the Constitution of Northern Ireland. So nothing has changed - it's just been ratified and re-ratified, democratically.
I'm sorry I missed your sarcasm, but that was one thing about the Agreement that kinda annoyed me: no option to remain indefinitely, or for the Republic to rejoin the rest of the country.
CALLIT ASITIS
"Settler mindset that is 300 years out of date."
Is that better or worse than a settler mindset (Gaelic hegemony) that's 1,600 years out of date?
part 2 . the cremated bone was carefully gathered together and placed within a small pit, marked by a wooden post. Over the following years two more burials were added to this small cemetery and thus Ireland’s oldest-known Site was founded. . and the one in nothern Ireland Approximately 9,000 years ago, a small band of Mesolithic hunter-gathers south of Ireland chose a high ridge over-looking the River Bann in modern day Co. Derry as their home. part 2
Why is it that the Welsh and more recently the Scot’s can flaunt their native tongue with no opposition?
Because there is no religious division in Wales. They are united and thwre is one language
The discovery of an older site in a specific region doesn't mean that region itself is somehow older. It is illogical to deduce that just because a site is discovered in one place that happens to be quite old, that no other places had been inhabited prior to it. A similar assumption had been made in the past that just because Q-Celtic (Gaelic) is older than P-Celtic (Brythonic) that the people who spoke it were somehow older themselves. People moved around.
part3 . The first ever written record of the people known as the Picts came from Roman sources. In 297 A.D. the orator Eumenius referred to the Britons as 'already being accustomed to the Picti and Hiberni as enemies', implying that they had been making their presence felt for some time. so it's clear that there not the same people if they were there would be no need to name them differn'tly and not call them picts or brtons or Cruthin.
@GSchlagg Where do I begin with that comment? The "financial aid" provided by the UK Government was a loan, and as such will be repaid in full with a perfectly satisfactory interest rate.
The figure was £7 Billion, not £70 Billion...
In essence the loan could be described as covert re-capitalisation, as it was used solely to reconstitute British financial investments in Ireland. Arguably it would not be in the interest of the coalition to describe it as such...
Erm, no - we at least not the polls to which I am referring - BBC Jan 2013, NILTS (1998 onwards) and the UK national Census 2011. There are annual (sometimes biännual) surveys here in Northern Ireland asking mathmatically representative smples of the population what their constitutional preferences are.
So, again, if you DON'T care, then why bother making negative comments? Making negative comments indicates that you do care.
I don't know what you mean about "lying" or that your judgement is not "block". What is 'block'?
We, the Irish, live right here in the British Isles. We don't live on some rock floating adrift in the mid-Atlantic. That doesn't mean that we're all identical. It doesn't mean there aren't differences. There are regional languages, regional dishes, regional accents etc. But there's far more that bonds us together than separates us. Nobody's asking you to be a subject of anyone/anything. (FYI we, in NI at least, aren't "British subjects" - we are indeed "British citizens".)
It's called sarcasm, sir. In the GFA it is made expressively clear that "It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland in its entirety remains part of the United Kingdom and shall not cease to be so without the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland" (Annex A, Page 4)
"the present wish of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland, freely
exercised and legitimate, is to maintain the Union and, accordingly, that Northern Ireland’s status as part of the United Kingdom reflects and relies upon that wish; and that it would be wrong to make any change in the status of Northern Ireland save with the consent of a majority of its people" (Belfast Agreement, Constitutional Issues, Page 3)
I think there's another word in English which is as common as, say, "get" that came from Gaelic or or Celtic language, but I can never remember which word it is.
Also the word 'boycott' came, not from Gaelic, but from political action taken in Ireland against a strict land agent called Charles Boycott.
I speak Irish as my first language, as does everyone in my town, as do 70,000 other people all across Ireland
Out of over 6 million people
Gaelic would be the old term English-speakers would refer to it as. Modern linguists divide them as: Irish, and Gaelic. There was no appreciable differences in the languages up until about 1800. In fact in older Irish language dictionaries, such as Dinneen (published in the 1920s), still didn't distinguish the two. But in the modern era they are recognised as separate entities. Is this an unfair designation? Probably. After all, Brazil's language is still considered Portuguese, which it is.
English-speakers phonetically spelled it in English - thus it was Anglicised.
you do relies the name (British Isles) is a new word i have all ready esplained this . but here i go again . the name pritainc ilse was not an ethty but rather to name the smaller island after the bigger one . there have been lods of other names by the romans for these isles and other ones around this area . like the tin islands or Κασσίτερος/Kassiteros), why you people can't get this simple logic through your head is byound me .
if it is thriving the language would be spoken by many members of the Irish public like Hungarian is spoken in by hungarians in public Hungary etc.
Please give me an example of a place in Ireland where most people still today speak Irish in public as a whole, I would love to visit such a place and hear ppl speaking this unique langauge even though I wouldn't understand a word they were saying
Yeah - I beg your pardon: I meant to suggest 7-9,000 years BC. Those people moved in tribes across the British Isles. When the ice melted, they were stranded. Some 7,000 years later (around the same time as the Romans arrived on our sister island), the Gaels arrived in Ireland. So a bulk pre-Gaelic population that had some 7,000 years to populate the island, with a pre-Gaelic language probably similar to the language of those they left behind in Britain.
Actually, the British (the Pretani) have been in the British Isles for at least 3,000 years and probably thousands more.
It may imply that because of more recent events, but the British Isles is one of the most ancient names of these islands - well before the coming of the nation state or even feudalism.
I never said the Scotti deserted Ireland. However, a number went to Scotland and gave it its name. Then a number of their descendants came back. Invaders..? Or not?
As for the Gaels - I thought we were discussing Gaelic here. Most historians appear to think that the Gaels arrived as part of the Celtic migrations, between 600 BC and 400 AD or thereabouts.
The Treaty was offered and discussed and formed. It was then ratified by Republicans. The partition was accepted by a majority of Republican politicians in a Dail.
If you're from Northern Ireland and if you travel to South America on an Austrian passport, you will receive assitance from the Austrian authorities if needs be. It doesn't matter what other passports you hold or are entitled to hold. Getting assistance from the Austrian consulate would not render nul and void other citizenships. You'd still be British (and maybe Irish).
I think you're probably correct about Allister. However, I wouldn't trash what you call 'Protestant' education (presumably you mean state school education, which is non-denominational). It's only in the last five or ten years that RC schools have been out-performing state schools in Northern Ireland. It's good to see the improvement in RC education, by the way. They had lagged behind for so long.
Well, no, there aren't. The census figures in Southern Ireland indicate that something around 80,000 adults speak Irish every day. The 250,000 figure includes a large amount of -18s who learn it at school (like French/German/Spanish) who just tick the "Yes, daily" boxes on the census form. It's not a dead language - granted - but it's on the way there.
"Brython" (or Prydein) is not Gaelic in origin. It is Brythonnic - a fellow Celtic language which we all would have spoken in the British Isles before the arrival of the Gaels.