Ken Waller Reveals His Steroid Cycle
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- Опубликовано: 29 мар 2024
- In this video Ken Waller reveals his steroid cycle, steroid experimentation at Gold's Gym and the effect of Lou Ferrigno's cutting program. Enjoy.
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You mean Waller's gains didn't all come from 'Master Blaster' Weider's protein powder supplements and secret training methods? I'm shocked!!
Lol 😆
Lol. I saw a little podcast with Robby just today and he talked about how Joe's "Megabolic" packs were basically trash and gave you the shits. All the people in those magazines, though I enjoy them, were lying about taking those Mega-Packs.
@@ryanleclaire3948same today, nothing changed
They all took money to cheat people like us who believed everything they said.
Lol. Yeah when I was an 18 year old kid just getting into bodybuilding I read those stupid ass magazines and truly believed these guys attained those bodies using that garbage. I spend a fortune on his supplements. Just pissing money away
Please don't be so naive people. This was their job and they knew exactly what they took, how much they took and exactly what it did.
I kinda think you're right Magic, no disrespect to Waller but he seemed to 'play a little coy and uninformed' about the subject, you know they had to know more than they're admitting now as it was a big part of bodybuilding when they discovered how effective they were.
All they had was word of mouth, maybe some insight from a doctor, and experimentation.
@@Richard-xg1vvthere's no "think" he is right. They know how much they took.
I'll put it into perspective for everyone, if someone took the doses of the compounds all of these golden era guys took does anyone think they would look like them??? Even people with equal genetics and modern day supplements+dietary advancements that have happened since then. Even with all of the advancements in workout equipment. No, they wouldn't. Maybe the low level pros, but not the Olympians that say they took 30mg of dbol and an amp of primo a week. "Oh well their gear was all pharma grade and better quality". We have pharma grade gear as well as pharma grade growth hormone. These guys grew up in an era where steroids weren't talked about like they are now, even though they were fully legal all the way up until the 90's baseball BS. They must have all made a pact to not speak on it and downplay everything. I'm not saying some of them took close to nothing, but come on. There is a common theme here
@@Richard-xg1vvyour respect is = to a turd floating around a u bend....you think waller would give a shit ....
Love these Ken Waller Interviews
He was a movie star back in the 70s and 80s and revered. He also played full back for the Oakland Raiders when they were winning Super Bowls. Extremely gifted athlete. Ken Waller 💪
@@quantumpotential7639 he played college ball at Western Kentucky, and then was in training camp with a Canadian Football League team. He never played in the NFL. Look for the documentary Dream Big. I directed and produced it, and gave Ken's contact info to Carlos.
I’ve never heard someone pronounce Lou Ferrigno’s last name the way you did . Good job pronouncing it properly.
Yes, a rare thing to hear someone get the pronunciation right.
Except that's not the way the Ferrigno family pronounce it.@@christopherlee627
Like his pronunciation of SPRAGUE lol
How do you know how it's pronounced?
@craigcrawford6749 Ferrigno is an Italian name, and the g is silent, so it is properly pronounced as " Ferrino". Not only Italians but other Europeans such as JCVD pronounce it this way.
But in the U.S as most people speak English, the g is not silent.
Similarly, Danny Padilla's last night is properly pronounced in Spanish as Padeeya with the ll being slient.
He lost me at 50 pounds in two weeks. Sorry, but if youre saying that then probably everything else is horseshit
Ken waller was incredibly rude to me when i visited Gold's Gym in the late 70s. In contrast, Dave Draper was a complete gentleman and very friendly. Waller...not so much.
he was on the gear thats why
Wow. I can't believe that you also were treated like shit from Ken. I wish I took a pic of that day of him. Instead I still have in some place a picture of the guy who took me to Ken as a joke to see what Ken would say. He was smiling after that !! I guess Ken was NOT a likable guy
@@marioturchi9762I think I saw OP training on the basement with Ferrigno in pumping iron.
Great episode, man. Love to hear the OG'S stories. Carlos, you're a great interviewer, man.
Thanks for listening. I enjoy these interviews with the legends
Apologise for stealing my shirt Ken ! - from M. Katz
I can still see Katz face during that period. It’s something you just can’t forget.
Great video 👍
Thank you Carlos. Look forward to the next video.
Coming soon! It's hilarious 😂
Great video Carlos!
Glad you enjoyed it
You ain't getting in that conditioning with 3 dbol and a shot of primo.
exactly. people are so naive. it's not until you start using gear yourself that you realise most pro bodybuilders lie about their usage. these guys were using hefty amounts... at least 4 times what they commonly tell people. once you get really knowledgeable (and personally experienced) with different steroids you can look at a physique and guess, with some degree of accuracy, what a guy is taking.
100mg of primo won't do a thing, especially one shot. Those esters take a good 6 weeks to peak anyway. You won't do anything on one shot, lol.
They cant admit anybody just about can put slabs of muscle on with gear
@@cobaltss50 Primo wont do jack shit in ANY amount. It is one of the most overhyped and overrated steroids of all time. These guys built their mass with Deca and Test.
@majicogarcia8417 brother primo might not do much for alot of people, 400mg primo in my experience with running it twice did a hell of a alot for me, I responded well with dht compounds, I kept my test at 250, so it definitely was not the test doing the work, that's only 50mg above my trt dose.
Hard to imagine that someone who didn’t take their steroid regimen that seriously would then go on to spend the equivalent of $6,500 today to test out a 4 week supply of HGH.
Did you happen to notice Waller said he learned the most about steroids from Frank Zane and Pete Grymkowski? In some interviews Zane denies even taking steroids and says he relied on huge amounts of Amino Acids! At least Pete Grymkowski has been honest about using huge steroid dosages! He’s been more honest than anyone about steroid usage!
His nick name is the chemist surely it goes beyond just knowing about herbs and minerals lol
In a word .......SOWHAT ?
@@cobaltss50 He was nicknamed chemist because he had a minor in chemistry and was a teacher, not because of the steroids.
@majicogarcia8417 yes and steroids are made of what exactly? Surely a chemist would know how to make them, relax bud I understand why he was called that lol.
Arnie denied using the juice too
Great work
once again my favourite show Carlos.i was there in the 80,s ,God i wish was there 10 years previously.i would have been an amazing days,Carlos steroids don't kill you its the dosages that do.
Saw Ken Waller win the ‘’Mr Midwest’’ @ the Cincinnati,Ohio Central Parkway YMCA 66-67 ?
Ken Waller was an amazing bodybuilder.
Always one of my all time favorites
Water in, water out...has worked everytime for me for my shows.
Good information.
They took more than what they admit.
No they didn't.
@@LionhartPsychologyArnie said he only used steroids a bit when he was cutting. So yeah, they used more than they want to admit.
@@nemonucliosis Genius ! Where do u people come from ?
@@samuelclemons508 same place you did.
I think Ken is right. He had the genetics to be better and, had he taken things more serious, would have made a great 1976 Mr. Olympia. Franco was good, but he lacked too many things. His arms weren't big enough to match his chest. His thighs were too big for his calves. He hit one pose, and with that he looked like a little spider.
Weider's brothers choose their champs, Franco and Arnold were just favorite cause they were choosen by the weiders. That's a fact.
Lol
@@imbatman4905 Bodybuilding is subjective unlike most other sports where the winning team or individual is uncontested, scored, and clearly the victor... The Weirdo brothers were crooks and never did shite for anyone but themselves... anybody know of a Weider charity event or fun? Nope... 'cuz there were NONE.
I see what you did there as Waller described Mike Katz this way. Having said that, Franco had a spectacular torso ( chest, back, delts, abs) with less developed arms, thighs/ calves.
I saw Waller at Gold's Venice in 1981. By early 80s standards Waller was actually " huge"
He had spectacular thighs, calves, forearms and was quite proportional. Ken's " weakness" was his biceps/ triceps which was greatly due to a significant tricep tendon tear.
Would have won if he just hid Francos shirt
Great interview! Good to see Waller so healthy & sharp at that age. However, most of the steroid cycles started 12 weeks out & not 6. I was a bodybuilder back in the 80's & that was typically the cycle period that I saw. And the cocktail used by many back then was D-bol & Deca. In fact, so many guys used D-bol from competitive bodybuilders/powerlifters to gym rats looking to get big for the girls. Lol. You could probably do a whole show on the creation, evolution & widespread use of Dianabol through the decades. It was the golden steroid.
Knowing what the majority of us do now in the enhanced community, no way in hell did 1 shot of primobolan do a damn thing, especially with the esters and time it takes to build up and peak. I wish they would just be fully transparent it was forever ago now, guys just want to know a typically 70s golden era stack with proper mg amounts.
Another classic video
Hi I'm 77. Went to California and visited Gold's Gym on..2nd street in Santa Monica if I remember. Met Ken Thru another of Gold's member who when he saw my calves took me see Ken and show him. Ken was seated working on his puny calves and was very pissed seeing this kid from Canada with calves he would have liked. He was very rude. So rude that I never forgot that encounter. It is bad when you meet your heroes and they turn out to be asses. 50 yrs ago is a long time . Another rude guy was Tony Pearson. Great People I was fortunate to meet and have had interaction with is.. Lou Ferrigno / Kal Skalak / Vince Gironda / Kent Keune / Ed Giuliani . Also met Joe Gold. Sorry if I spelled names wrong.
Didnt happen but cool story.
I don't believe him, he was competing against guys taking alot of gear but he didn't? Sorry, not believable.
Yep he is full of 💩
Back in the day... and I was there... the monster dosages were not commonplace, outside of a few hogs. LATER that all changed.
@@terrystrand sorry but it defies human nature especially amongst competitive men who are all trying to out do each other
@@terrystrandnot at the mr olympia level after 1970. 1965-1967 5-7 Dianabol day and couple CCs of deca or test week was normal.
The Ken Waller series has been great! Thank You. Is there any chance you could interview Pete Grymkowski and Roger Callard?;
Working on it...also Boyer Coe
That’s great news! This is undoubtedly the best channel for the Golden Era! Thank you for your tremendous work!
You can bet he’s not telling you half of it they will have all been using the same kind of cocktails some probably more than others 😂
that was awesome thanks.
How long have you had a fart fetish?
@@LeatherFeet1 46 years
Wow, his lower pec definition was insane! Great hard muscle! True legend!
This is so cool.
I'd bet the guy who took the bottle of dbol was Steve Michalik. He was known for taking crazy amounts of AAS.
Yes, I wouldn't be surprised
@@GoldenEraBookworm C'mon now...a full bottle of D-bol? That's 100 five (5) mg pills for a total of *500* mg at one dose. I would think the person would have gone into acute liver failure. With the exception of methyltestosterone, methandrostenolone (Dianabol) is the only oral listed as "medium" in the hepatotoxicity category while the other orals used in that day are listed as "low." Abusing D-bol is not a good thing.
Plus he was batshit crazy in general.
Sergio oliva was known to just take handfulls of dianabol not bothering to count the tablets
I think it’s really important to explain that what they used back then, the doses and the frequency, was so minimal compared to today that the “natural limit” is too often dismissed but Ken Waller was as strong as an ox and I honestly do believe someone who trained like that could absolutely have a physique like Big Red, naturally
He states he was natural during football career, and that he only used dianabol and primobolan prior to competition which is consistent with what most have said about their cycles back then
@@GoldenEraBookworm I believe him, back then the way they trained was way different, first and foremost they wanted to build a SOLID foundation and that meant using primarily compound exercises, full body training, plus Ken’s idol was Steve Reeves who was also a big believer in that style of training
@02singk1 training the way they did would make steroids even more necessary. They were chronically overtrained. If you've ever trained hard naturally you'll know that the biggest problem is you crash and lose muscle. There's no way you can train 2-3 hours a day and take a few tabs of dbol. Not only will you not get in contest shape but you will go backwards after a while.
@@stevenspillywe don't have genetics like the top pros though. People underestimate how much genetics play a role, and some people wanna believe drugs can take the place of genetics when in fact they can't.
@knightrider6473 that's true but only to an extent. If someone is trying to win at world championship level and finds gear helps them, you really think they're going go stop at 3x tabs a day? Come on
I think Waller is being fairly honest, he didn't look like some of the others who used larger amounts.
@@LeatherFeet1 No because i am holding your key, and controling your life.
@@LeatherFeet1 Imagine being butthurt and having to change your first reply over and over.
@@LeatherFeet1 Look who's talking. Run away from the mental asylum haven't you... you have no muscles, that's even worse.
did he tell where he hid the shirt
Arnold must be low key following your channel reminiscing about his shenanigans in the past.
You should do a video just on the practical jokes lol
That's a good idea
I remember a Waller interview where he said they all take more than they say, I'd say double it
In june 1990 i invited Troy Zucolloto to come to Portugal to make a seminar and promote Twinlab,i was training to Mister Portugal and told him what i was taking,he smiled and said,that was what his two year old daughter took😂
Cant wait for the next vid! These are fantastic
Met grymko at noc nyc 1979.ho was HUGE BLOWN OUT.
bro do you know anything about steroids? those dosages don't give those effects
Crazy that some guy went from 145 to 195 in two weeks!
I cant remember the forum but there were articles from newspapers about different steroid issues in football. In the 1950s not just the pro footballers but all the way down to high school football teams had steroid programs.
In the 60s it seemed ike more steroids were available and players were getting injections of deca from their drs as well as an assortment of orals were available like dbol, anavar, nilevar etc.
If high school kids were taking 10-15mg a day of dbol in the 1950s, Im sure bbers in the 70s were taking a crap load more.
Bs that has programs had steroid programs in the 1950's..lol smh
This guy is full of crap, period!
says who? a nobody?
I remember reading one of Rick Wayne's books--3 More Reps--where Waller said that he'd been taking 'roids since 1968, but he was already 210 pounds and pretty solid from working out and playing football before he touched a steroid. As for the story of one guy coming in at 145 and two weeks later weighing 195...total crap. You're going to gain weight on 'roids if you shovel down the food and train hard but that much weight in two weeks is impossible.
As for what Waller actually took, I doubt he's telling the entire truth. No pro, past or present, is ever going to give their exact cycle...I'm sure he took more than what he said he did. At least he was honest in saying that took; Zane often said that he relied on great nutrition and amino acids to get where he got. If he hadn't taken 'roids, he'd have weighed around 175 instead of 190 (at his very best).
I agree with you that these guys will never say the exact amount or they were natural. Frank Zane was a true Ectomorph & would never gain weight without steroids to be 190 lbs.
Waller was the manager at Gold's and his whole life was bodybuilding and he didn't know about any other steroids? Please! He's full of crap.
All these men are lying tru their teeth even your guru Vince
Why do you people always say they're lying?
That’s an opinion and unless you are them you know nothing of the truth or lie
they are once u use gear yourself long enough u can tell@@billybarnett2846
Kenny was popping those dbol and stacking deca and test like all the other fellas that era.
Certainly didn't lower his voice...
top video
Thank you
Waller reminds me of a muscular Eddie Haskell.
I'll bet the Mr. America he was talking about was Steve Michalik.
Cool
Did you ask Ken Waller about Rheo H. Blair supplements in any of your interviews with Ken?
Don't know about Waller, but Larry Scott and Frank Zane used the Blair program extensively. I also know that Sergio used Blair's protein and liver caps when he wanted to gain weight, but not necessarily at other times.
I find the "steroid doctors" to be of extreme interest to me- for I wonder what their gain was in the equation. Was Weider paying them for their "services"? True, they weren't controlled substances at the time... yet, needed an RX from a gatekeeper as I would imagine no black market existed at this time.
Still, there are ethical questions as to why doctors would write RX for those with no medicinal need.
Any thoughts Bookworm?
Hell no Weider did not pay the docs... no need to... they were prescribing label dosages of a legit drug... for which they made money not on the drugs but on the office visits.
In all honesty I don't think the doctors prescribed steroids for money. Most were regular doctors, one if I am not mistaken was a paediatrician...and I was told that the waiting room was a weird combination of children and bodybuilders
Back then they were legal BUT there were no good ancillaries like Aromatese inhibitors, so to avoid side effects does were smaller but the truly gifted could get away with it….i mean they would use primo as a steroid and to keep estrogen in check
Primo is a steroid.
They did have anti-estrogens. Been available since the early 60s.
Golden era guys mostly did not use Testosterone so they could get away without aromatase inhibitors.
I'd like to ask some of these guys what they did for a living. BB did not pay squat until around1980, though a few very top guys could make a little from endorsements and appearances. But a lot of them seemed to have money while almost training for a living. Back in 1972, Arthur Jones told me a lot of the guys were homosexual prostitutes, but I have no idea how true that was at the time. I know some of that kind of thing went on in the 50s when there was some crossover between gay and physique magazines, etc. But anyway, getting away from that topic for a minute, in this interview Waller mentions having a Corvette and a 33 ft. Chris Craft. He played football in Canada in the early 70s, so that would not have paid much. But my question is not just about him anyway, a lot of the guys talk about training for long hours, then getting suntans, practicing posing, etc. Then some also mention using large quantities of supplements which could be expensive. Even now although the prize money is big for the top few, I don't quite get how they can devote their life to the sport and still have money. This is not the NFL where a 3rd round draft pick on a losing team still gets a million a year.
KW fixed up corvettes and sold them on for profit. Dave Draper carpentry work. Ric Drasin, wrestling and acting. I think if you go to Ric's channel he has videos about what BB did to earn money, including auditioning for commercials.
@@matt49125 thanks!
I made great gains on one dianabol a day in the 70's and would not likely be alive today if I would have taken the heavy doses that many took back in my day. Vanity can kill you . Great video, keep them coming!
That's what I heard, a couple of tablets was enough if you worked your ass off
@@GoldenEraBookworm That is a very true statement you just posted. It's mainly about how much effort and pain you are willing to endure in a workout in order to get great gains.And genetics play a big part.
Ciba baby blue tabs right? Those so potent compared to todays
Yes you would surely have died a hundred times over if you took two a day 🤦… no one is carrying advanced body weight at very low body fat % without taking a propper bodybuilding dose, the only change between the 70’s & 80’s to the 90’s onwards was the use of gh/igf-1 and insulin.
@@user-qk8yk7km1nsorry, no
And they are still alive and healthy at 82 years age
Ric Drasin stated what his bodybuilder friends and partners would take and Dbol and primo is only a fraction of what they took.
Growth hormone(Hgh) is anti aging and recovery .
He may have meant Don Ross with the bottle of Dbol. He won a wbbg pro Mr. America like in 1977. I think he used to make pie's with a bunch of dianabol in them. Goofy stuff.
Раньше не употребляли тестостерон! Дианабол + примоболан.
А сейчас основа курса андрогены и это не правильно.
Freddy Ortiz
Human cadavers is really messed up I didn’t realise they existed.
soon i'll start my dbol only cycles
I’d put a test base with that.
prepare for your viagra only cycles
@@Shawn-hs8qk if you really think that then you need better education on steroids, never ever mix test and dianabol, unless you want gyno acne and all kinds of problems
Just finished 4 weeks dbol only. It was awesome
@@friendlyjunco6836 exactly
What about Arnold who Said recently, he only took 15 mg dbol a day, and one shoot of 100 mg test a week, to prepare Mr O🤔
Arnold has a problematic relationship with the truth.
@@meftnm absolutly
Ric Drasin said Arnold took Dianabol like candy.
It's been widely spread from guys who knew Arnold back in the day and said he was on atleast 800mg of primo a week.
If you know more than anybody else about steroids you don't take a whole bottle of decca at once. More isn't better unless you increase gradually and possibly use a stack or combination.
One thing i learned was your body takes what it needs and any excess is useless and a waste of money.
I agree, at the time, everything was about experimentation
Decca would have came in single dose glass vials , as would any injectable back then. The size you carry is dose dependent, although it takes more to grow than it does to maintain. Even the best genetics in the world isn’t getting on an Olympia stage on less than a gram per week.
not true with steroids
@@shred9475
Yeah ok.
@@user-qk8yk7km1n
In the 80s i used from the vials and rubber needle pierce bottles too..
Appreciate the honesty. Of course a small number of drug abusers won't believe anything. But those who know the history appreciate this.
Exactly. I always say that the stories are consistent
@@GoldenEraBookworm yep they consistency lie
I don’t want to be horrible, but only people who have had a decent regional or national level physique really understand any of this, it’s only as you move up that the penny drops. It reminds me of the kind of arguments from naive karate kids about Bruce Lee beating Mike Tyson in a fight for example.
Ken Waller had a part in the movie stay hungry, a low budget movie that few people ever heard of Starring Arnold, Jeff Bridges and Sally Field.. Despite Arnold playing the role of a young and upcoming bodybuilder on the streets of LA he was so downsized for that movie and Ken Waller who was supposed to be his main rival on stage was so stout and chubby looking that he hardly even looked like a bodybuilder at all.. It was a very odd movie and probably could have been made a lot better in my opinion
Another golden age liar, best off not saying anything as it’s less annoying. Although the naive and delusional will claim otherwise.
Spot on that's true.
After hearing the views on winstrol and GH, I figured it was just for entertainment purposes. A pioneer of the sport nonetheless.
Listen.. for years they flat out denied any steroid use so we making progress..
Carlos Arnold won't like to much news about his history ,please if you want to get an interview one day ,believe me it won't happen.
These guys didnt know anything about steroids damn. Amateur hour. They paved the way for us. Respect
ya right they had guys taking everything even growth, but he only used primo and d-ball such b.s. Alot of 70's bb have come forward to be honest but you still have liars like this
@@claytongood5372 What gives you the right to call this classic bodybuilder a liar. Who are you anyhow, just another jaw flapper. You are two a penny.
It’s how so many things are down here that these bodybuilders are promoted to the public that they take a lot of the weider powders supplements ect but actually it’s a lot of steroids.
They took both
They did NOT know the future results of taking steroids back then. There was not enough research or knowledge. I was there! They used to say " we won't know the long term effects for another 20 years".
I tend to believe them too. Their stories are consistent
I SAW IN THE 1980'S NEWS OUTSIDE OF U.S.A. THAT PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES STARTED EXPERIMENTING IN THE 60'S FOR SICK AND UNDERDEVELOPED PATIENTS AND DOCTORS DID NOT KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. HOW USERS WOULD KNOW? IN BRAZIL PRESCRIPTIONS COME WITH ALL INFORMATION ABOUT ANY DRUGS AS REQUIRED BY LAW. THE INFORMATION IS UPGRADED ALL OF TIME IN MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF DRUGS AS THEY FIND OUT MORE OF THE SIDE EFFECTS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
@@GoldenEraBookworm if you believe them then go ahead and take 1cc of primo a week and 15mgs dbol a day and see what happens.
Comming the raw prawn 😂 ken whats a barbell ken?. "U know i heard of them but didnt know too much about em,my buddy used one once in 76"😂
It's hard to tell if his memory fails him with regard to some of his juice use or he really was as naive as he presents himself. It is mystifying how tight lipped some of these guys are about what they did 45 years ago.
Why don't you ask him about all the fights and his sunglasses?
WOW, it looks likie waller was pretty tall standing next to Arnold.
Arnold is about 6'1" & Ken was about 5'11" Arnold always looked taller because of his narrow shoulders & wasn't wide only when he trained his delts during competition. Look at photos of Arnold when he retired from 1976-1980 when he was completely off the steroids. He looked skinny with the exception of his calf's being big.
they know all about other bodybuilder steroids cycles but don't know about his own
6 weeks before a competition?, 15mg a day of dianabol and a shot of primo a week?, sorry I don’t believe it.
Steve Michalik
My thought exactly. Just finished commenting the same.,😁
Sounds legit
Dehydration, like boxers-fighters do.
Waller is, at least, a little better than the usual "I used to take a dianabol tablet, break it in quarters, and take a quarter every 5 days" that you usually get from this era, lol.
He was probably talking about Lou Ferrigno lol
Eh. Maybe. Seems like none of these guys will cop to anything more than the bare minimum 'right before shows'. Human nature says that wasn't likely the case.
hey Ken Arnold ,was there back at the German club ,in Marina Del Ray ,as well as Ric Drasin ,they marked so many cards it was not funny,thats why today ,they prefer there own company 2024,too many woman,its was out of control ,i know ,life was absolute mad .
3 Dbol and 100MG Primo per week ! 🤓
I have to assume Ken meant 2 months and not 2 weeks for that guy gaining 50lbs. Unless he had a 45 pound plate in his pants when he took the second weighing!
Probably Steve Michalik.
So six-week cycles before competitions... And how many competitions did you compete in a year? 5? So that's 7 months of steroid use in a year. So it is even possible to believe that he only maintained his size between cycles with food.
But Anrie said he never used steroids to build muscle 😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's interesting that Ken admits to the use of cadaver gh but in general we always have been led to believe that Arnold didn't use gh
Bodybuilders didn't get their hands on hgh until the late 80's, early 90s. He's full of shit
There was no syntetic hgh but there was hgh subtracted from dead people look at chris Dickerson elbows
@anthonysmith2608 Ah interesting
145-195 in 2 weeks BS!!! Nonsense
ITALIANO
He must be the only person who thinks Lou Ferrigno is a great guy.
Yeah throw your famous to franco 's face RIP
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I thought I was fluent in English but what does your comment mean?
@@odessafile75
😂👍
For sure he take that amount and no testo 😂