MH4G/MH4U: Practicing Guard Points (Charge Blade)
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- French subtitles: @metalliguitare
Not a tutorial at all, just a random video of me practicing Guard Points with the charge blade. The “point” means “moment” not pts. as in earning points.
I cover them properly in my CB tutorial: • MH4G/MH4U: Charge Blad...
For the most part you do not need guard+ skills. If you do go full out GP, it’s only going to work on certain monsters like Diablos, Monoblos, Molten Tigrex, Zinogre, etc. that have charge attacks or big single attacks that you can guard and follow up with an attack.
Anyway hope this helps! To see masterful usage of GP see this guy: / @魔魚のチャージアックスちゃんねる
Killed a Fatalis with a Guard Point today.
I laughed.
Norbles Xarelon Well done
Norbles Xarelon I think I have a better Story, I killed a Crimson fatalis and an Akantor with a level three Kinsect (a Dios rod I recently crafteed but not upgraded).
Velociprey killed his elder.
He was going to usurp the throne but then he was usurped immediately by a Palico.
Little sushi's the new king of the blue raptors
@Nyan Gatetoh 900+ hrs in and I still didnt get moments like these, well except for this one time I fought apex rajang again (I basically hunt those things on a daily basis) he was limping and out of apex, toppled him, he got back up and turned apex, and without a wystone I hit it with my sword and it deflected off of it (because apex, and I hit its legs), and with that one deflect I killed it
Good job. 🙂
There's one thing that no one seems to have mentioned :
Shield boost actually indicate when you can guard point.
Let me give an example.
While using elemental CB, there'll sometimes be light emitted from the shield after you've got the boost.
At time when you can guard point, the shield glows.
With that, I found that I can guard point after 3rd of blade combo, side hop attack, R+X after blade attack, axe to shield animation, etc.
Pretty useful in practicing CB guard point as you can still know when you can do it even if forgotten and without needing to check it online
OHHHHHHH LOL U HAVE TO PRESS X FIRST!!!! I GOT IT NOW! missed it because it goes by sooo fast.
chernabogs scythe is an amazing charge blade and i use guard points all the time with it, reccomended for all hunters because its easy to get and you can get it early in g rank too
Helpful video as always, gaijin. Btw can you tell us what armor and skill (besides guard +)
you using when fighting molten please?
I think you just convinced me to play Charge Blade.
I gave the CB a quick go, I just couldn't get my head round it, it's a pretty confusing weapon.
Are you going to cover optimal damage for this weapon? Love to see it
Hmm, my question is... do I need guard boost skill then?; the skill that allows unblockable attacks to become blockable....? or does that guard boost for CB build that in?
gaijin hunter Do you have your Dokododo set with a different helm? the Dalamadur helm ish ugly in my female hunter.
Hey Gaijinhunter, I would like to know which CB path you think is better for impact, Im currently doing rathalos but the brachydios/black guard paths seem better
Use the especial attack to make a GP, is waay more easy
Can anyone tell me the reason why people have book of combos with them in the field rather than their storage box?
I sometimes messed up when I pressed the R first. I've been practice a lot in demo. I can do GP so well when I fough goa magara, but when it comes to other monsters... well I need to practice more. lol.
yeah it takes practice for sure. I still need a lot of practice doing super instead of ultra from a GP, which is the most important skill to have for high level play with GP. LOL
for that move, I can do it easily with holding down (depend on direction of your character facing) the analog and tapping X. btw, nice tutorial, keep up the good work!
gaijin hunter yeah, I was going to say how do you do super instead of wasting all those phials?
so essentially GP is r+x? I mean that's kinda what I was picking up so if I do anything I can basically cancel into GP at the appropriate time?
If you do r first then bad hunter!
I have a noob question, how do you do the guard point?
does auto guard work with guard point?
I don't understand. I'm doing it correctly and it results in failure. It only works if I slash and THEN morph to axe. Am I doing something wrong?
+Oreolistening? Oreosure? you might be hittin R first which gives you no guard point. you need to hit x first. it's very slight but if you hit R first it will be guard to axe which has no moment for a guard point.
+comedyfan1095 Yes I found out that you're correct. I am doing it right, but it's not the easiest way to guard point. I have to press X then R a split second. Now I can guard point. Thank you for clarifying!
Oreolistening? Oreosure? no problem. happy hunting.
what armor is this?
Does sword and shield have guard point?
No, guard point is exclusive to charge blade, not to mention the shield for sword and shield is not very strong and recommended only for emergencies.
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If by guard point you mean the stun and other effects, yes only for charge blade. If you mean a point during/after an attack wherein guard is activated then no. Gunlance has those too. SnS might, but I don't know offhand. Just no point usually, since you can also just block normally--the only reason you use GP specifically instead of block normally with CB is because the shield is weaker otherwise and you gain stun effects.
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If by guard point you mean the stun and other effects, yes only for charge blade. If you mean a point during/after an attack wherein guard is activated then no. Gunlance has those too. SnS might, but I don't know offhand. Just no point usually, since you can also just block normally--the only reason you use GP specifically instead of block normally with CB is because the shield is weaker otherwise and you gain stun effects.
For SnS specifically, you'd always rather dodge because you're right, the shield is super weak even with guard+ skills (a waste on SnS).
decus478
When the axe's charged the shield becomes that of a lance, so it's not really weak.
It's normally that of a gs, which is still nice.
sakurademon
A lot of us are hoping that SnS gets guard points in MH5!
I use dual blades D: lol
As a beginner to MH4U, I feel like these videos will help me so very much and definitely thank you for making them! Level 4 now, level 100 tomorrow!
Haha you make that Molten Tigrex look like a joke. It was flinching CONSTANTLY.
Ikr, I was watching someone try it on stream earlier in a group of four. It took them a few tries before succeeding and the streamer was a veteran player who has been playing MH since the original on PS2.
***** this was probably a village tigrex.Also molten isn't actually hard. They must've been really under geared or they don't know how to fight a larger sized black tigrex.
Maybe i'm wrong since i still didn't get to Molten Tigrex but he looks rather easy, his move pool doesn't seem to be really big. The only annoying thing i saw is how much he spams his roar.
gilgameshvolante huge damage, if you mess up he can eat through your health bar really quickly
you can practice on caravan though. Slightly easier but it's similar to G
The ending is funny :) ... you can imagine what's going to happen...
Stachy He flinches the Molten Tigrex, cuts off it's tail while it's down, and farcasters back to camp :)
R.I.P. Sharpness
Not really, actually!
Sharpness goes down from blocking in normal circumstances of holding the shield to block. But this isn't normal blocking. It's a special technique that happens to block.... kinda like that special feature from the superman dodge frames where you're temporarily invincible.
Why exactly would sharpness matter if you were going to block anyway? This rewards accuracy and defense with powerful KO ability. Of course, the one thing regular guarding has an advantage over is that it's a sure block, whereas missing a GP can potentially kill you.
Wait wait, it reduced sharpness for me....
Oh wait, the impact phials do that. It's negligible though
Norbles Xarelon it only reduces sharpness because it counts as a hit if the Phials are loaded into the shield. However, if you GP with a non boosted shield then you won't lose sharpness.
What am I doing? Taking guard point lessons from WarGreymon
Damn, im so outdated. I am literally playing MHFU and i dont enven know what than weapon is. I should really get a 3DS.
MHFU is the best game I've ever had the privilege to play, and I cry whenever I think of the memories I've made with my fellow hunters back in the day. I still always carry it with me out of sentimentality. It's a wonderful game, don't feel ashamed of still being in the Golden Age of Monster Hunter.
But yes, you should get MH4U ASAP, it's awesome! (I still can't resist hunting the old monsters with old weapons ^_^)
Guard Points are a big help but if you miss the morph by a few split seconds you will surely cart, if you don't have good armor or are fighting say a Rajang and get hit by his 'Kamehameha'. The timing is key when it comes to using GP. Practice is a good thing to do if you are new to the concept.
I remember taking the M. Tigrex quest (the high rank one) for practice and putting this vid at my side, in the end I got guard points down, and killed the M. Tigrex. But even with G rank weapons and armor, I still fainted twice due to me trying GPs
For some reason I find easier practicing G.P with Zinogres, spoecially when they spam the stomps and charging at you, but I´ll try with those two as well.
This really helped me all the way from 4U to Iceborne. Also really hope molten tiggy gets another appearance in a future game, I really like the armor.
Good quality, good tuto, french subtitles AND Monster Hunter : one more follower !
Thank you !
gaijin hunter, you're my Charge Axe hero!
Seriously, after seeing your video on the GP last time, I didn't bother to try the idle GP AT ALL. But seeing this video made me realize just how useful (and fun!) it is to master it as well.
By the way, can you explain in a bit more detail about that part where you do the super by holding back and pressing X? Thank you very much!
If you have your shield charged, you will do an ultra as your third special attack. However, if you press (or spam) back tilt on the circlepad and x, it will do the super attack instead.
OK, I tried it out. So it's basically like a cancel move that goes from Ultra into Super.
That's really good! I can save the phials if I know that I'm going to miss the Ultra!
Thanks a lot for the explanation, Buri13.
Thanks for this great video on showing GPs. Your videos are really amazing and a great insight to the world of Monster Hunter!
I have been experimenting around with it and there are many possible ways that you can land it from how I see things. So let me make this post serve as both a question and a small tip. So first, the question. How do you perform the Super right after the GP? I have tried many ways to do this but can't possibly do it. I think I'm just missing something that's right under my nose so any help would be appreciated! Edit: Is it done by GP>X cancel to X+A?
Now the tip part
To perform GP you have R+X being the most basic one and R from axe mode going back to sword and shield mode. This downright blocks things, yeah but only for a brief period.
I've found out that you can further increase that chance to perform it, you can add that into a combo making a combo a much more safer approach. For instance, every second and third X attack of the sword and shield has your shield right in front of you. Hence, it is able to be a GP. What makes this move great is that it's possible to do with:
X>X(GP)>X(GP)>morph(GP)>morph(GP)
alternatives can be sidestepping after second or third slash or morphing
Sure, you can go ahead tell me that there's not much of a point to this since morphing to axe and vice versa is a much more faster GP as it is more instant. However, having that many GPs queued up might just save your butt against a frenzied/enraged monster. You can also see this as an alternative to what gaijin hunter has showed us where you press X and then morph to attain a better rate of GPing. Just more in "middle of combat" type of sense. Why is this so? Well basically, with every X attack you perform, there is a gap. Those gaps are the startup frames of your attacks. They can also be used to indicate how long it takes you to be able to perform a GP. Basically, just more key frames for you to help yourself do a GP.
Another neat one I found is when you have your weapon out and you roll forward then pressing X
Forward+B(roll)>X(GP)>morph(GP)>morph(GP)
alternatives can be sidestepping after morphing
This let's you perform an upward slash(second attack for the X combo). You can take advantage of this move as a gap closer + invulnerability + GP. It's a pretty good one and I've used it a lot.
I hope I helped out a bit and please do correct me if I am mistaken somewhere.
idk I might be wrong but 1 guard point blocks consecutive attacks like seregios 's happy feet combo
Did you know that pressing select puts you in a guard point. I've been using it since it came out a just found out.
oh my fucking god... i've owned the game for months now and clocked in nearly 450 hours into it and my skull was thick enough not to realize it's R+X on that first guard point and keep trying to do it with R+A, even after watching this video and the tutorial several times... i facepalmed a little hard when i noticed...
Im quite sure R+A doesnt do anything though? Oh well.
+Adlan Raid (super late reply just cus) X+A with Yellow or Red aura on the phials charges them (Yellow=3 Red=5) You need phials to charge your Shield.
This video (and the rest I shall now watch) might be the savior to my MH4U experience. (I'm a 100% newbie to MH, AND, while I love video games, typically fail to understand how to get good at them)
Hi, Gaijin!
I really love your tutorials. They are awesome :)
Well, two things:
1) I used to miss the Super EAD (instead Ultra EAD), but a friend discovered something really nice: you can change in menu>options>orientation and set to "type 2". Now, it doesn't matter where you are looking, to change from ultra to super press down on circle pad (even if you character is looking down too) :) voi lá!
2) regular blocks seems to work like GP. Is it true? With normal blocks I can eventually stun the monster too (with shield boost, of course)?
In you tutorial you said that there's no GP from idle sword to axe (R+X), because the hunter pulls from his back, mas you're using it in this video. I'm confused now: R+X idle (not X, then R+X) works for GP to?
Thanks!
(Sorry for my English, I'm brazilian)
GPs are different than regular blocking since:
1. You won't lose sharpness
2. You won't consume stamina
3. You can counter attack
If the axe's charged then the shield will burst dealing extra damage (not sure if ko or the same as the cb's phials).
SZJerkXVI Where are you people getting your info? GP isn't some magical block. You do lose sharpness.
What a great video. You're obviously very skilled and experienced with the game. I'd love to see a tutorial of this in world once it comes out as well
it works the exact same way in World.
Guard point isn't active on frame 1 of idle sword mode unsheathed to X + R, is it?
It is but don't accidentally hit R first or it'll count as a guard to morph meaning zero guard point. Alternatively you can tap the special icon on the touch screen to do it as well
gaijin hunter Hey I'm new to the game, just reached Caravan 8 and I use the charge blade as my primary weapon, but I don't understand what's happening here, can you explain it? Sorry for the hassle, I love your videos though
superleetninja if you check out his video on CB tutorial it has a better explanation but I will do my best, during some animations the hunter will put the shield in front of them and gain the guard ability of a lance instead of a great sword, with the shield charged it's even more powerful. If you do the shield charge move at the end you will see the hunter put the shield in front of them, I don't use guard point (that's what it's called) but I have blocked a brachy and a pink rathian from doing a leap attack and poison tail respectively. Hope I helped
Aaron Care I've been playing non-stop since I made that comment, and I've learned a lot of things including guard point since then, thank you for taking the time to explain it though :]
superleetninja No problem :]
So recently, I decided to pick up CB and It's a struggle for learning so thanks on the tutorial. Timing is Key gotta remember that. Oh! My Set for guard points is Barroth Helm X with Dokudora and Guard+8 3 slot. I've managed to get Guard+2, Razor-sharp And Honed Blade.
Forgive me for being a complete moron, but why guard point when you can just block? I suck with the CB so forgive me.
Guard point gains an extra tier of guard+ so you can block things even easier, plus you do a free blast as well :)
gaijin hunter Oh, thanks :D I guess I'll start practicing soon.
I didn't know GP until I saw this video, it's been 50hrs using CB.
So that's why I accidentally blocked some attacks while morphing
Practicing GP took me few hours to get used to it while doing actual hunts
so hard for me to master this sadly T^T
Huh. I clicked this video out of curiosity just to suggest the Guard +2 thing, and that happened to be a large part of the video itself. How about that. Though I admit I like to go one step further sometimes and do things like put the Guard Boost skill on top of +2 and practice with Rajang or weird-angle beams you normally can't block. If you can block lightning, you can block anything!
Wow ... I can't thanks you enough for this tutorial, it completely changed my vision of fights, I'm not scared of staying in front of monsters anymore :D
Probably a really noob question.... but how do you do the last part of the 3 hit combo WITHOUT it draining all your phials? Obviously it doesnt do it when you havent got the red axe (not sure what else to call it), but when i have the red axe and do it, it gets rid of all my phials and reverts my axe to normal. I just saw you do it...and it does none of those things..you still have some phials and axe power.... help
Meh with the crappy hitboxes in this game I find myself constantly guard pointing invisible hits by accident...I don't even GP too much high risk reward fuck that shit
Great video. I have a question about the super after GP. I found that the direction of the super can be changed after you pressing down+X. What's the correct timing ? I jus can't do it....
Wait, so by successfully using a guard point you hit the monster with a single phial burst only or does it deal some extra damage to the monster? Also, how would this work for elemental CBs, like if you guard a roar would the monster take random fire damage even if you didn't hit them directly?
That guy [ 魔魚のようつべ出張所 ] also has a funny video GP at Teostra´s head with
[ruclips.net/video/uBZJaNePyc4/видео.html]
Do you have any secifics on Guard Point in Monster Hunter World (with or without Iceborne)?
Usefulness of Guard skill, attacks that cannot/ should not be guarded, good practice "partners", et c.?
Isn't Guard+2 "Greatly increases the likelihood of standing your ground when blocking an attack." and not a guarantee guts ( I thought it was used to be called survival) which prevents fainting only one time, and not everytime u get OHKO with hp at 60%
By idle does that mean not moving at all? Or can you still do it if you're running? Cuz I noticed you were actually moving a couple times when you GPed. Or did you just let go of the C-pad before you get hit?
Useful video by the way :)
While i was training GP against molten tigrex i noticed that my weapon's sharpness dropped when i blocked using GP, but i read that by using GP weapon's sharpness does NOT drop.. am i missing something?
So do you only get the defensive benefits from the Shield Boost by using gp, or do normal blocks also improve with the boost?
you get the boost with normal blocks but GP also get a small increase even over that.
Thanks I wasn't clear on that.
Wow, I started going towards insect glaive as I felt it took way less maintaining during battle, but watching your GPs makes me want to jump right back into CB. Love the videos.
By the way, I know when you GB, you get a free "phial blast" right? Is it the same for when you do the shield thrust?
you get a free phil blast on shield thrust but only when you have boost mode on. boost mode is like the place to be at all times, you aint boostin? you aint nothin'
I just realized that hes using the G rank Silver Rath CB that we cant get at the momoment lol. That specific CB though has to upgrade like over 10 times :O
Does gp in MHW follow the same principles? Like damaging a monster or stunning after the gp?
yes
gaijin hunter , does auto guard affect guard points? because i seem to lose a tonne of sharpness even when timing right?(i know i should hvae chucked it a while ago, but i accidentally melded my good talisman)
I love you.
Hey gaijin, any hints on when to press the buttons, swear no matter what i cant GP, always end up morphing to axe or just nothing. Also, is there any other way to cancel out of ultra? like if enemy moves, can wither just do a super, or add to shield
Hello sir. Could you put the buttons needed to press at the description? Like GP on axe and sword mode. I always forget something really fast. Lol.
If you notice at 5:08 he takes damage from trample. I can't tell you how much trample damage has been the bane of my existence on MH, but it's okay because directly after he hits tigrex square in the nuts.
Just a note to people struggling with when to GP: if you still have it, use the auto-guard charm to figure out the right timing without getting smacked around, lol.
Ok that’s pretty cool but I have one question tho. Why is the video translated in french lmao 😂
La personne qu’a fait ça il est monté c’est sûr
Do guard points work on every monster? Is is vital to master them? I am trying out the CB. I used to use the glaive. Completely different play style.
Hey Gaijinhunter I know you've seen Chris' CB videos and was wondering if you noticed him doing two shield checks in a row at times and if so, do you know how to do it?
Mfw I press r + x and press r a fraction of a second earlier than x. Edit: The delay it takes my finger to hit xr actually makes me gp properly lol
What's the difference between a normal block and a GP?
You can do a super burst immediately following it, or evade, it has slightly higher blocking capability as a normal block, it charges your phials, and no boost mode it does a free blast of damage to the monster
You may have had to mention that lol
Now that is a lot better than a normal block.
gaijin hunter Regular blocks also charge phials.
This is where all start before the Famous Guard point on MHGU/MHXX
man ive gotten used to gp its addicting, my only bane is goddamn rajang still very fast for gp eva 2 3 is much easier
why do you gp if you're in sns mode? can't you just block it or is the gp block better?
Anyone know of another charge blade channel besides the one mentioned? I want to see more guard points.
GPs make Diablos a total joke. I fought him solo for the first time and broke both of his horns.
What happened at 1:43 ? He seems to input GP (since CB already morphed into axe mode when he gets up at 1:46) but he can't block the attack. Are the first few frames not count as GP? I myself have this issue a lot :(
1 year late reply.
At 1:43 he most likely used a regular morph to axe attack. You need to either press X and R at the same time or X then press R after a slight delay to get gp frames on a morph attack. If you accidentally press R then followed by X you won't get any GP frames. (You can also use the kick action button, typically the START button or the touch pad, to do morph attack with gp frames.)
You can visually see the difference because the morph attack with gp has longer animation time compared to the gp-less morph attack.
is the window to guard different in mh4u than in world? because it seems that way
Does the cb has to be a impact phial one to stun the monster with gp or elemental phial ones also stun?
What's the difference between GP and normal guarding?
Can you do this to Shah Dalamadurs massive flame breath attack?
Looking at the defensive side of the Guard Points. Is the Guard Point a stronger guard than a regular one? Let's say I have no Guard skills and the shield is charged, so my shield has now the properties of a Lance (Guard +1); if I defend using a Guard Point would it be equivalent to idk Guard +1,5 for example?
hi gaijin, in minute 4:55 you done a Super discharge after block. im pressing R to block then X+A and i cant do super discharge.
im doing something wrong? you recomend me guard+2 or something? i have hg earplugs, honed blade, challenger +2, razor sharp.
Thanks
António Barbosa You cant do it with regular blocking
Whow how do you go from GP to Super/Ultra burst? When I do it, i usually do x+a it'll do a shield stab, then x+a again to super/ultra. In your vids, it just goes from GP to Super/Ultra.
I think X+A from a guard can trigger Super/Ultra Burst. At least that's what the CB video said.
Thank you for the video for it has helped me immensely. However, I can't seem to know when to pull back the c-stick and press x to cancel the ultra. I believe you'd understand to why I can't simply just keep charging to get ultra and fail which would result in me charging the blade again. Again, thank you.
At 5:33 I saw that you reached a full charge, then reloaded to get phials. But then you did a split sec mode switch to axe and spent your phials into red super very quickly (sorry if I got the name wrong). How did you do that? I have to switch to axe, press x+a, then press r during the last charge attack to spend my phials into a red super.
When's the earliest you can fight the Molten Tigrex? I need to upgrade my Seregios equipment and I only need the Molten Tigrex parts to do it.
just a quick question to all who can answer. Does the Charge Axe Burst/Boost Mode Slam Does any damage? Meaning, do the power geysers do extra damage. Also, do anyone know a good website for the damage charts for each weapon?
I can infer that they do due to the skill artillery novice that reads "increase dmg of charge blade impact phials"
I just use the special button to GP, it's really nice like that, no chance of accidentaly guarding.
oh wow, i hadn't even thought of that, that's a super good idea!
Special button?
Could you tell me the mix set you're using in the video?
I've killed monsters and broken parts with guard points. But how much damage do guard points/phial bursts do?
Hi i was planning on maining bow this time. i was wondering if it can Keep up damage wise with the top melee weapons.If a Monster is trapped would i still do the damage of a CB or DB user assuming booth of us were hitting the head?
Definitely not, but the advantage of a bow is being able to deal damage from a safer range reliably when a monster is NOT trapped/stunned/paralyzed.
What combo did you use to charge your shield at 5:30? I saw the axe for a brief second, then you pulled the sword back out and had the shield loaded... it has something to do with the shelling i guess...
Nice Guide! My English is very poor, but I could learn about GP.
your Movie is very good! Thank you!
Is if i have artillery god and bombardier skill actice...how much dmg am i doing wth a chrge blade
Thanks for the video. For the times that you're running around in shield and sword mode and do guard points out of the blue, is that just standing still and R+X?
Load up can be great too. Once you get the barrage earring it's easy to get and with charged shield that's two extra phials....
For impact charge blades artillery can be useful too.
I was wondering why it seemed like most of my guard points lasted a while while the occasional few randomly didn't. This explains what was happening perfectly, thanks!
How worth it is Guard+2 on CB? Especially over other skills such as Evade or Challenger?
Hey Gaijin Hunter, does anyone know the damage value of the phial explosion of a charged shield gp and shield thrust?