A masterclass to Sun Producers (in PVZ2)
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- Just some tips on how to use Sun Producers properly. More than some, its a fairly long video, but it should help you out, either way.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:50 - Overall Sun Production
7:11- Objectives and Worlds
10:17 - Secondary Sun Producers
15:00 - Modded PVZ2
Footage is from:
Plants VS Zombies 2 (and it's mods)
Mods used (in order of appearance):
Eclise Alpha
Eclise Beta Lunatic
Shallow
AltverZ
Chronos
Music used (in order of appearance):
Dave's Theme from PVZ2 (Unnamed)
Cerebrawl from PVZ1
Faint Glow from DELTARUNE
Ancient Egypt Demonstration Minigame from PVZ2
A Home For Flowers (Tulip) from OMORI
Neon Mixtape Tour Choose Your Seeds from PVZ2
Outro is an original track. 
Игры
Heyo! Wanted to experiment with this video a lil' bit, hence the delay. Wanted to try a new style of video for me, let me know how it went! Experimenting is the spice of life or somethin' so it makes total sense. Probably.
Also feel free to leave out your own tips if ye want. I'm not gonna stop ya. Free algorithm. Free algorithm is cool.
First reply this is new anyways just wanted to say you make such great vids keep up the great work.
I love your PvZ 2 videos. I hope you make essays about individual plants:
*"Why [...] Sucks!!"*
or
*"Why [...] is UNDERRATED!!"*
or
*"Why [...] is the Best Plant !"*
etc.
A suggestion I had was that you could make a video breaking down every type of plant ( electric, Meele, poison…ect)
Love this.
nice vid pal
“Do not go for symmetry”
*I feel a disturbance in the force*
*A big disturbance.....*
@@AoH_player A GREATLY BIG DISTURBANCE IN THE FORCE
My itty bitty autistic brain cannot handle asymmetry
@@LeleiTheTigressfr
my normal brain can't handle asymmetry, i think creeps is an alien@@LeleiTheTigress
"At all costs, do NOT go for symmetry"
Didn't knew creeps was into commiting crimes
341 and 0 responses let me fix that
@@Josedot366 🤡🤡🤡
I wanna like but it’s 444 so I won’t
Me : tell me the truth, I'm ready to hear it
Creeps : symmetry is rarely a sign of a good defense
Me : *cries*
Are you saying that symmetry is less important than winning? This is simply false, you have basically lost if you mess up your symmetry. Having your plants be symmetrical is a bigger factor in skill than ‘playing the game well’!
for maximum win rate your defense should be left/right symmetrical as well as top/bottom
8:08 holy shit the streak of butters with that kernel pult
Bro locked in 💀
Symmetry is a part of a pvz players brain
This explains how to use sun producers pretty well, I also learned that gold tiles produce sun faster than sunflowers thanks to this
I would love to see a video on how completely BUSTED some of the mint plants are in gameplay (bombardmint clearing out the field or spearmint instantly placing 1000's of suns worth of plants for free, etc)
Agreed, mints are super BUSTED. I have 2 and they are both really really strong.
Flame mint puts juarassic marsh on easy mode.
Spear mint can either be an overpowered sun producer even stronger than gold bloom or just a really overpowered attacking plant that shuts down the backpack imp dudes.
Because of that I'm trying to find a way to nerf that and I finally can change that. I can change the spikerocks to level 1, and it actually can be replaced with other plants instead of spikerocks. Try it out, it's fun to customize the game to make it balanced for us.
@@Jason-ie1ih it depends on the level of the rock tho. It'll still create a lot of sun tho.
Sun mint is a good alternative to gold bloom if you're lazy, plus if you have a few sun producers they make a lot of extra sun.
Enchant mint allows f2p's to get toadstools randomly. Not a lot, not that powerful, but still useful sometimes.
Explode mint is a great screen cleaner, plus it makes certain high level explode plants extremely powerful, should the mint not do it.
Reinforce mint is decently good, plantfooding all wall plants and knocking enemies back. If in a world without instakilling zombies reinforce mint can shut down everything.
@@Jason-ie1ih not just that! when the mint is on the field 1 column of these spikerocks boosted can take out bucketheads easilly!
Nah getting over 1000 sun in less than 15 seconds with enlighten-mint is perfectly balanced
Creeps will love singer sunflower because it is so fun to use. It costs the same as twin sunflower and gives the same amount too but it can buff plant's attack and stun zombies if you use plant food to her.
Its only in pvz Chinese tho
@@thisisaacc3485 I Know
GNVS: never plants enough sun producers, forcing himself to use weak plants or build his defense slowly; doesn't shovel plants
Wolfyplayz: plants many sun producers but never brings expensive plants or doesn't plant enough weaker ones; makes redundant choices like bringing Moonflower, Primal Sunflower and Imitated Goldbloom into the same level; doesn't shovel plants
Forever Neena: still freaking out over Pharaoh and Turquoise Skull like they're Hair Metal Gargs
pvz2 youtuber slander
But does Neena shovel plants?
@@thealientree3821 honestly I don't know, I don't watch her stuff really, but I'm sure she doesn't need to because she can't build a defense after they took all the sun
i've always wondered if the turquoise skull was supposed you be a threat (in vanilla at least)
This comment is really true xd
shine vine also has a unique interaction with magnifyne grass, where it will make it occassionally fire a beam without using sun! however the cost of this is shine vine's sun production will be removed.
its just sort of an extra detail that you didnt mention nor shown footage of, and i felt the need to mention it because it is another reason to try it out.
That's why there's plant specific videos,
This isn't a main feature of the plant,
But rather an interesting option when estimating a plant's potential for a particular level.
@@BramLastname nice haiku
Spearmint should be a secondary sun producer
Change my mind
He’s out of line, but he’s right
Spearmint = Extra sun in Last Stand
@@Ramherewas spearmint is a cheater
Yes
Well he does give more Sun than a level one gold bloom and if you don't need the sun you could just leave the spikes
i cannot stress enough how much i love ur content, thank you!!
I think walls are very confusing...
Maybe you could give a masterclass about that
Place nut. Zomb eat nut. Zomb not move. Nut then die. Zomb now move.
Wot u not get?
@@zandbergx9747 Put spikeweed in front, put melee plant behind
What if nut kill zombie before zombie die?
@@radec4223 Place nut. Zomb eat nut. Zomb not move. Nut die zomb. Zomb then die. Nut still life.
More zomb eat nut. Zomb not move. Nut explode. Nut then die. Zomb then die.
@@radec4223 then it's nut their lucky day
"Always use sun producers"
Last stands: **laughs**
I will ask GNVS how much sunflowers should I plant
2, more will just take up your much needed space
True…
@@oldacc264 This is why shovel exist lol
GNVS be like:
Wait you use sunproducers? Well you shouldn't.
@@angry-plant "Yeah you should just use -3 sun producer tho" 🗿 lol
I’ve tried using moonflower and sun shroom for the lols. It’s kinda impractical to lose a seed slot sometimes, but it gives you obscene sun production early and late for absurdly cheap.
Loved the video! Actually really cool, there's not a lot of detail out there breaking down all of the producers down like that. I learned more than I thought I would. Would love more videos like his!
Couple ideas just off the top of my head:
1.A masterclass in Instant Plants
2.A masterclass in stalling zombies
3.A masterclass in manual plants (like banana and coconut)
4.A masterclass in wall plants
5.A masterclass in Plant Food
Would really like the master class to manuals
It would be cool to see a video comparing the catapult kind of plant with the shooter! Which wins as a whole, the best plant of each one, etc
isn't obvious that catapults are better, cuz they can attack any zombie at any line at any time.
Fumeshroom wins
@@howtowindows8477straight shooter projectiles hit the zombies faster than catapults in all but the last two columns if placed in the back. They don’t miss faster zombies such as chickens like catapults have a bad habit of doing (of course, using straight shooters against chickens is still a bad idea). Sometimes catapults ignoring obstacles is detrimental, such as when octopi are on the field.
In practice though, it really just comes down to the plants themselves
I think a video on deck composition would be neat. Which plants synergize well with each other and which do not?
with my experience, you need to treat Moonflower a good bit differently from other sun producers
mainly due to the fact that she has a much slower cooldown _and_ the fact that she powers other Shadow plants. due to her being the only way to constantly power Shadow plants, you'll wanna make sure she's actually protected. alongside that tho, you also don't need to spam her down most of the time. as long as you get down like 5 (6 if you're not using other Shadow plants) & make sure they're all fully powered, you'll have huge amounts of excess sun in no time
Source?
@@chrisdawson1776 my own experience. I said that at the start of my comment
@@Healion123 Keep crying
@@chrisdawson1776 ok
As a Veteran PvZ 2 players who played countless of mods (altverz, eclise, chronoscapade, reflourished (although reflourished is technically just better vanilla as most plants did not got changed) this video really is very in depth of explaining the general mechanic of sun producer. This really would help the casual PvZ 2 community by a whole especially for those who want to push themselves to try harder challenges with stock level plants. Hope this would turn into a series where Creeps dives into more classes such as attackers, instas, defenders, supporters and more!
since when pvz became a whole science, i've been playing it for 9 years and i never needed "master classes" to be able to deal with everything in the game, just cuz i love it. What kind of noob do you have to be to not know how to use the different plants.
@@howtowindows8477 well... You can play however you want to. Casual or hardcore. Also, There's people who don't know how to use different plants and rather to stick in 1 area and not trying out new things.
@@howtowindows8477 Some people are just not that experienced or has thought to use a plant before. Just because they aren't as experienced as you doesn't mean they're a noob.
I'll just treat them how rich people treat poor people: exploit them for profit and then sacrifice them immediately after.
An addition to solar sadge is that when it was released ea forgot to remove it from last stand levels so you could spam 0 cost sun producers in last stand. It has since been patched
I really love your PvZ 2 videos. I hope you make more essays about individual plants:
*"Why [...] Sucks!!"*
or
*"Why [...] is UNDERRATED!!"*
or
*"Why [...] is the Best Plant !"*
or
*"Why [...] is fundamentally flawed !"*
etc.
etc.
"... doesn't just suck
You just suck"
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Spear-mint best sun producer
Agree 👍💯
He’s out of line, but he’s right
I would love to see a "Masterclass on seed slot somposition" video! I struggle to slow down the game in the beginning, and then struggle to deal enough damage at the end, likely due to plant comp, when to use stallers, or place attackers. All of those issues come down to seed comp / utilizing your seed comp right, so I think a video on it would be great. I think the topic is specific and important enough that it will catch attention on yt, and general enough to offer something for everyone watching it. Thanks!
To compile your issue and attempt to fix it:
At most two slots dedicated to sun production. We are talking one primary and one secondary. Sometimes you dont even need a secondary producer if you stall the zombies enough.
One instant stall and / or one instant damage plant. Iceberg Lettuce and Potato Mine are great in Ancient Egypt, and later you can upgrade these to Stallia and Primal Potato Mine. These plants are used in the early game to keep the zombies off your sun producers while you hoard sun. Try to keep the first zombie or two from being hurt until the next zombie walks in, as the game will immediately call in more zombies if the current wave takes too much damage.
Main attackers. You should always have at least 2 options for dealing your main damage, and both of them should be somewhat permanent placements on your lawn. You do have the option of going for one light attacker and then one heavy unit. Like say, a Red Stinger and a Winter Melon. Two light attackers can work for easier levels, but you really want to have a heavy unit ready to keep the late game in your favor.
Panic button plant. Self explanatory, something that will kill what the main attackers dont. Cherry Bomb is the best example of this.
When to do what? Spend the first two or three zombies stalling and spamming sun producers. Hoard all you can. Once you see the zombies start to come more than one at a time, start placing your main offense. Use the sun field as a meatshield while attackers cool down, or use instant stalls to help you get your offense up. By the time you have every lane covered with at least one attacker, its time to slowly replace your sun field with more damage. Remember your panic plant if you start to get overwhelmed.
Honestly I’d really like to see your take on bowling bulb, most people consider it bad but I can see it’s amazing against crowds I’d like to hear an opinion that hasn’t been said.
That's the problem. It's only good against crowds and most levels in vanilla tend to be very short
It's effective only with Plant Food
its literally the worst offensive plant in the game
@@spectralfr High scoring arena setups: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
"A Masterclass in Stalling Plants" sounds like an interesting Idea for a video considering that there are plenty of Stallers, and some stallers are better then others stallers.
I don’t know what it is, But my day just, feels so much better when you upload, So, Thank you.
Note: Sun-shroom + Enlightenmint not only grows the sun shrooms instantly, it produces more sun (at least 1100 for 2 columns).
This was a super rad video!!! Thank you so much for this video; and I think this was a lot of fun to watch!!! I literally have never played this game (only PVZ 1) and I’m sitting here going “God this is FASCINATING”
I actually like putting sunflowers in the very back row in Jurassic Marsh for pterodactyls
I was intimidated by PvZ2 with how different it was from the original game. But thanks to you and your videos, I've finally gotten the courage to try it out and so far its been pretty fun!
i really enjoyed this video! I would really enjoy more helpful videos like this, but definitely keep your normal style as well!
I enjoyed it a lot! I like hearing about strategy and stuff like that, so I hope this becomes a series :3
I'd personally be intrested in an episode about instas, where and when to use them. Specifically in the early game for me, as I have trouble knowing when to switch from only instas for sun buildup to permanent attackers
Please more of this type of video. I love this style!
If you're doing another one maybe do instas. Like what each one is good at or reasons to use one over another.
'gold tiles are the single BEST gimmick for the player'
Power tiles: am i a joke to you?
You should totally try doing more videos like this for all of the different subtypes of plants, like attackers and instants.
Enjoyed this breakdown of plant classes, id like to see some on other classes like instas, catapults, shooters, chompers, walls, ect
"Do not go for symmmetry" **le gasp**
I’d love to see a guide to instants and a guide to walls
This guy has 1 billon coins
Lol
Complicated is when I opened the game after months and seeing all those new Prem and Seed pack plants and wondering what the hell they are and do. 😂
I'm a huge fan and user of Shadow plants. Getting more knowledge would be nice.
Overall nice content and I can't wait to see the next one x3
Love the new video style!
All my life ive been placing sun producers in the back since pvz1 and 2
I loved this video! Plant food might be an interesting topic!
Looking forward to the video!
Loved the video. I suppose a video along the same lines but on instants could be great
this is the first time ive considered more than 5 sun producers and relying on instant plants
This was a cool video! Another interesting video idea could be talking about PvZ 2 zombies in vanilla and how effective they are (that would actually be really cool)
i dont play pvz and i honestly probably never will but i am entranced by these videos nonetheless. youre an absolute icon
I like the new style of videos
Finally, someone who understands that symmetry isn't inherently good.
looks classy though.
Yeah but, it's satisfying tho.
Perfect timing, I was thinking about playing pvz2 at some point.
Play modded
Ramp? Mans plays magic
I use Primal Sunflower and Gold Bloom (and Imitated) to produce a LOT of sun early-game, since my favorite plants tend to be on the expensive side (Winter-Melon, Strawburst, etc). It's a lot of fun that way.
i love this type of masterclass video, could you do one on stalling plants next?
this is genuinely a really cool video and could really be helpful for a lot of people in learning how to play pvz2 and it's mods better and faster instead of having to figure that out themselves the hard way (eclise is brutal if you're fresh from vanilla man)
I know this is a fairly complex topic and if it were to be done, it would be later on after having introduced things like walls and stalls but I would really like to see a video of this style on knockback plants. there's plenty of them like primal peashooter, chard guard, kiwibeast, levitato and even some in mods like eclise stallia. knockback, to me at least, is a really cool effect that has its uses offensively and defensively. heck, several zombies even use knockback to some degree by being able to push your plants backwards. I just think there's a lot to expand on there but hey that's just me
You forgot about spear-mint.
Great video
no one’s talking about that banana being 1000 sun
Loving your videos and this one is great! I was wondering if you could quickly explain what the plants do when you talk about them as I’m sometimes left confused on what makes for example a sunflower different from a primal sunflower, great videos anyways!
Tbf, these videos are targeted toward people who play PvZ2, where it’s assumed you know what these plants do.
But for context:
Sunflower: Costs 50, produces 50. Unlocked at tutorial.
Twin Sunflower: Costs 125, produces 100. Slower recharge than other sun producers. Unlocked after Ancient Egypt - Day 24.
Sun-shroom: Costs 25. Starts by producing 25 sun, then starts to produce 50 sun after producing once. Starts to produce 75 sun after producing about 3 more times. Unlocked after Dark Ages - Night 1.
Primal Sunflower: Costs 75 sun, produces 75 sun. Unlocked after Jurassic Marsh - Day 17.
Moonflower: Costs 50 sun. Depending on how many shadow plants are by it, produces 25 sun (0 shadow plants near it) to 100 sun (3+ shadow plants). Unlocked after Modern Day - Day 1.
@@aaronstephen3058 Thanks a lot for this! Bless your day
@@aaronstephen3058 thanks
Don't care, going for symmetry, have a good day
Edit: do not do this, now care, going for asymmetry, having a good day
I think a guide to walls would be useful, as they are pretty niche, you don't need to use them, but they are sometimes useful. Support plants in general could make a great video
I struggle when my lawn is not symetrical
When creeps said to ignore symmetry i lost it
And remembered it's April first today. How lucky!
as someone who's onto vanilla big wave beach in reflourished this is probably gonna be invaluable information
Twin sunflowers have been working for me for a while.
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"symmetry is rarely a sign of a good defense"
Heresy!
I think your next video should be about stalling/delaying plants, and show off some side plants (like kernel pult) that has effects that can stall zombies.
love this vid. ❤
Twin sunflower can be your only sun producer. The dtrat is just to keep planting them around the middle and use iceberg lettuce + potato mine or chili bean while you build them up.
Currently only tested yo to frostbite cave, and it kinda falls apart for most challenge levels in wild west.
For the challenge levels, specifically the "don't spend x sun," just don't use any sun producers, they are very much possible without them. For "don't lose x plants," either use none at all or use a column of cheap ones (like normal sunflowers or sunshrooms)
I geuss I'd call this strat "all or barely any" due to its "all or nothing" style, with a side of occasional "some"
Bad strat, but it works and is VERY effective in normal levels.
In frostbite cave I just spam snapdragons and do something similar to this.
Yeayyyy new upload
should've put sunflowers in the front
I don't play pvz2 but its so interesting to learn about it because it has so much content
you should definitely give the game a try!
i think a video on instas and single-use plants could be interesting
I love you, man.
i love ur vids mannnn
I'd love to see a video on how to stall properly
Toadstools are my favorite plant. Though I don’t play plant vs zombies, those cute mushroom frogs are some versatile plantz
My strat for 80% of ice caverns was pea shooters in lane 1 then torchwood, then sun prod. Optionally switch out torchwood for pepper pult or other heater and move torchwood row ahead to allow for 2 easy rows of sun producers and a good defense against weasels.
What about a video about the primal plants? Although it may be difficult as most of them don’t have anything to do with each other
Here let me sum it up for you. Primal Plants > Their regular counterparts
Indeed i like primal sunflower , fast cooldown and more sun
I disagree. And i also believe that they do. All of them have one trait that goes with each other. They all synergize well. Primal sunflower is cheap and makes alot of sun. Primal potato mine can be used similarly to normal potato mine. Primal peashooter lets you get more sunflowers down via stun and knockback. And primal wallnut. Being cheap. Spammy. And ok against gargs. Works well against jurassic garg. The only thing thats still a problem at that point is stego and pterodactyl
I use a combo of primal sunflower and gold bloom in endless zones, because setting up primal sunflowers can be tough when only starting with 75 sun each level
Next on how to use instas maybe? I feel like they’re pretty self explanatory but there might be some timing techniques and stuff
I find it interesting you put the sunproducers in the third or fourth Column. Versus in pvz1 where it’s the first two that’s more common.
10:00 note that pyre vine specifically should be used to get around this if it's available, as it won't take up tiles to heat your plants
Was wondering why the bgm felt so familiar. Still finishing my first playthrough of Omori, no way it's music already makes me feel nostalgic
Im here after 48mins of this being up
Just want to mention that symmetry and backline sun producers are something you can get away with in Vanilla. And besides, when in doubt boost the puff shroom to clear a level in Vanilla
I played vanilla again a few months ago and finished it under a week
Moonflower is the best if you imitate it.
3:18
That is a lot of Sunflowers.
omg, good good good, thank you
Twin sunflower and regular sun flower are important for early game when you don't have primal or shroom
Cool video
this channel has grown so quickly