"You're the type," that really gets me there. It's like, how does he see the world to say that about the first kid he took in and kept around and raised like a son for 20 years, and still want him around AFTER admitting that thought?
@@jessicamaccabe7051 Honestly, that shocked me the first time he said it to me on my first play through. It made me wonder if that was foreshadowing or not and it ended up being foreshadowing. Dutch’s mind wasn’t exactly the most stable after the Blackwater Massacre is the reason why he said that as well.
7:44 Arthur -" All them years Dutch, for this snake?" - 1899 Dutch- "You know something Arthur, you was always special to me, all these years, all these things we've done, good things bad things all these people weve seen passed out, you was always special." -1899
(Sorry guys I’ve been super busy😅) I’m specifically talking about 7:01. I don’t get why Dutch would say that. Especially at such an early part in the game. To me, in chapters 1-3, I felt like Dutch and Arthur were tight. When things when to shit I can see why Dutch kinda went crazy. But things were kind of good at 7:01.
“All these people we seen, passed on, you was always special.” “Are we Livin or Dyin this time, Dutch?” “I guess we’ll find out soon enough.” yet another unsettling truth sequence.
this is what makes this game so special , this game is not just another game about heroes or something , its a game about facing reality , people dont act badass or tough in this game , you can actually feel characters in this game are not rambo , this game is a philosophical thinking about life
Theres a really nice interaction that i believe can happen in chapter 2 and 3 if you arent in camp for too long. Dutch:there you are son! I missed you. Did you find anything special? Idk i found it cute
Okay so in the part where Dutch is apologizing to Arthur I would not blame Dutch for that because we all know the Arthur is Dutch's right hand And Micah got very jealous of that plus when Micah apologizes to you you can tell him to stop apologizing to you because Micah did it on purpose end with Dutch you can't stop apologizing to you because when I pressed the button to talk to them and for Micah you can tell him not now you can't do that with Dutch why would you Dutch apologizing with love and respect
Dutch was always crazy. I’m tired of the discourse, there is clear evidence all the way back in chapters one and two that he has been a paranoid and manipulative, narcissistic sack of sh!t. He threatens Uncle for the latter saying Dutch wants to be a king rather than a leader, scolds Arthur for being too close out of nowhere, and seems to only refer to John, Arthur, Bill, and Javier as his sons (those who he wanted to manipulate most). In my honest opinion, people who think he ‘was turned by Micah’ were charmed by his silver tongue just as the gang was.
I'm more confused then ever, was he losing his mind, was he good or bad, was he using the gang, should I like him or not. So confused, just so confused.
In my opinion Dutch lost his mind after Saint Denis robbery because hosea died and after the robbery he thinks arthur and John told Pinkertons about robbery
I love the degradation of the gangs camp through the story. Horseshoe overlook is spacious with sprawling vistas that offer hope for the future, Clemens point has the gang with their backs against the coast, shadybelle has them in a husk of the wanton and unjust excess of the society they once railed against, in a literal swamp surrounded by maneaters and finally beaver hollow, with its closed in hills and forest, unable to retreat any further without literally imprisoning themselves inside a cave. Not to mention, the last two hideouts are coopted from gangs they once tried to distinguish themselves from; one more heinous than the last and both increasingly more similar to the gang.
@@nomnom9992 Well no exacly, in shadybelle he doesn't even have tent. I think you are looking for something that just isn't there, although the degradation of the camp is and I noticed that too and it's not any hidden knowledge, everybody notices that, even gang members in the game.
Horseshoe Overlook and Clements Point are the best, best view, best mood, best time to explore the game and never move on until you did everything but the story quest.
I think I ended up doing more optional things as the chapters went on and the camp got more and more depressing. I started to dread going back and wanted to just let Arthur ride around and do things for other people before his inevitable end.
so random and quirky 5000$ with today’s inflation is about 155299$ so it’s plenty enough and even back then when Tahiti was just a poor French colony I’m sure a piece land would set back you back 50-10 dollars maybe
Arthur: "What about the money in Blackwater?" Dutch: "trY fAItH OrThER!" Micah: "What about the money in Blackwater?" Dutch: "Let's go get it, friend!"
So interesting to hear what Dutch and Arthur's conversations are about - it really shows how intriguing Dutch's character is. He seems so idealistic and optimistic when in Horseshoe Overlook and we notice how he seems always willing to talk to Arthur about his musings even though Arthur, who is much more grounded, doesn't share the same idealistic worldview. At Beaver Hollow, you can sadly see how different Dutch treats Arthur from the way he gets easily irritated by him and how he shuts him out of his conversations. A shocking contrast to the overly sharing Dutch back in Horseshoe Overlook. Thanks for sharing this content, Point Zero. Keep it up! 👏👏👏
fira weheart after the last train robbery I got nothing no money all or it was when we attacked the Cornwall kerosene and tar and we stole the bonds I really firget
@@Toviyah it's the bonds. I remember because the game insultingly reminded me that gang members get paid for contributing in the heists yet Arthur got nothing.
A difference I’ve noticed while watching these videos and replaying the game, is how Hosea and Dutch both treat Arthur, while Hosea sees through Arthur’s act of being the tough gun to the man underneath Dutch doesn’t see through it, shown when he says “even you’d get it” referencing the book he’s reading. I think it shows who is more intellectual and more egotistical and who actually cares more for Arthur.
@Bonnie MacFarlane I don't think that's it. I think Dutch just isn't as smart as he thinks he is. He's all intellect no wisdom. He memorises philosophy and high fallutin rhetoric, but doesn't really understand it. He takes it all on surface level. A man whose mind is as wide as a lake but as shallow as a puddle. Jim Milton matches him in an argument, something I doubt he's ever had happen before. Bronte sees right through him and immediately knows how to manipulate him. Dutch is a charismatic con man, and not much more. For a long time, I think even he bought into his con. When that con failed, he had a crisis of identity, and of confidence.
well if you didn't betray me!..and john didn't betray me just cause he wanted to have a little life with his family..cause his son is more important than say..bill!..and that dog probaly betrayed me also cain
@@dutchvanderlinde2488 You hurt me a lot, Dutch. But Micah was the rat of the band , almost everyone died because of him , and yet you prefer him to Arthur and me
@@moe9451 not even close don't get me wrong RDR2 is fcking awsome and etc but game of the year? Yea nah their r drastically better games out their then just RDR2
Dutch was showing signs of cracking long before Hosea’s death and the train robbery. His paranoia was off and on and he always seemed to question Arthur’s loyalty.
5:09 I'm pretty sure it's this one. If you walk away as soon as he shouts "Arthur!" he'll say "Oh, well fuck you too, then!" I only heard it by complete accident after Swanson came up behind me and started yammering on.
that video with arthur and dutch's camp conversation is fine, but i miss the moment where dutch asked to arthur, ''what happened to you, arthur? ''why did you had to go on and change on me?'' and i also miss the moment where dutch screamed to arthur ''i gave you all i had, all of you.
That sunset scene with Dutch asking when the time comes, is one of his most purest moments of anxiety and humanity pouring out. He’s a bad man, but he still has a conscience.
The true reasoning why Dutch became so enamoured with Evelyn Miller and his musings, I feel, is that Miller was a man - like many philosophers in that era - who was spiritually lost and found himself bereft of purpose now God was more a question than a definite ... he wrote as a man utterly lost in his mind and denying his heart, and Dutch did much the same. Playing and performing as if there were a human heart at the core of his beliefs and principles whilst leading the gang. Ultimately though the true cruelty of the natural law Dutch ascribed to claimed him ... just as it would eventually claim Miller as well. Consumed by the ravages of nature, and time. In a wilderness of their own making, within their minds.
Evelyn Miller even says to John when he mentions that Dutch was a huge lover of his books that “your friend was deceived.” Miller sees himself as a con artist, I wonder if Dutch felt the same way about himself. Maybe he did have genuine and noble goals to begin with, but his entire worldview got more and more pessimistic as he began to realise that he was a man in a world that had no use for him.
I never saw how crazy he was acting in the beginning it begs the question his decline slowly started all the way from valentine even if he wasn’t that crazy before thier were early signs of it and as time went on after hosea that was it he lost his mind
I think he is mostly decent, to the gang at least, at the beginning of the game. But Arthur and Hosea do chat about Dutch not being himself from even before the beginning of the game, he shoots an innocent woman during the Blackwater heist and no matter how it was dressed up, Dutch went and started on the O'Driscolls first after they attack their camp at lake Isobella. Arthur and Hosea agree its abnormal to the way Dutch usually acted.
One things for sure, he didn't want money, he wanted the opportunities it gave him. Dutch is a man of principles, for sure, and all money can do is help a person be who they really are, and he's a strong character. Maybe he is family orientated because once they were gone, he didn't care about it, and he stopped dressing so well (to point out his change in vanity), I wonder what changed in him before the game was set from when he'd have him hosea and arthur give the money to the poor to when he started dressing better in the first place because if you look at that picture of them when they were younger, he dressed the same as them. And it's evident in a bunch of dialogue that he changed before the events of this prequel. All that being said, I think up until (late) chapter 6, he's a loyal man himself. And I kind of hate how this story gets to me so much😂 I love it at the same time though
I love that when he faces over the edge while sitting at the rock and when he stands silently staring into the distance, he's staring into the direction of his RDR1 final camp where he dies. I noticed this as he gives his mini-speech about things being temporary and all of us being creatures. He also talks about Death, i haven't watched this video yet so its likely to be here if he's got every single interaction
TMW you realize that a bar shatting cross dresser from France managed to get to Tahiti and live a fine life and Dutch couldn't even take his "Plan" to part 2.
Sucks that the latest update has made alot of these convos bugged out and not work. Like the "you'll betray me in the end" happened to me and all arthur said was "ill catch ya later then" Plus everyone telling me im underdressed for the weather at all times cutting out most greetings
Dutch was never good. He was a bad man that did good things and he fooled everyone into thinking he was good. In the end he just became more of his true self
No matter how many playthroughs, no matter how much I remember RDR 1, no matter how much I play this game... Dutch was and always is my favorite with Arthur. Both of them are amazing and best Duo 🔥
I think Dutch has been paranoid since the beginning of the game. When he said "I... WE need you strong" to Charles, or when he said to Arthur and Hosea "I... I mean WE will be fine"
its weird how arthur questions little about dutches ideas early on but by chapter 5 you really start to see the difference. Especially 6 once dutch left arthur to die in that industrial building that was the last straw.
6:00 8:00 :( Dutch knew the fate of his outlaw lifestyle from the very beginning. He knew the gang was just a facade. He knew it couldn't last and was just riding it out until he died or was captured. Honest to God Dutch might be my favorite video game character. Here's hoping he is the protagonist for RDR 3
He’s very interesting. If you’ve ever seen point break he reminds me alot of the leader of that gang. They rob banks to maintain their “free” lifestyle and believe the ones in power are corrupted and that man should live free and do what he wants. Dutch is the same way. He’s a true believer of his cause but knows that if he can’t leave the country he’ll die in it but not before causing as much chaos and destruction before he goes out. As he said in the first game, it’s in his nature to fight and rebel against everything. Also, Dutch is the only one in the gang that actively chose to be an outlaw when he had the opportunity to be anything else, whereas everyone else joined Dutch because they were at rock bottom and were either going to die miserably like that or go with Dutch and become an outlaw. It’s funny too because John and Arthur always wanted to be something other than outlaws but that life chose them, but Dutch was the one that actually made the choice and chose to be an outlaw
You know it kind of broke my heart to see Dutch apologize to Arthur I mean he didn't want to hurt Arthur he loves Arthur too much I know he never meant to hurt Arthur this is Micah's fault because he got jealous of Arthur being Dutch's right hand and this happened after he got Micah out of jail what is wrong with him what is wrong with Micah when I hit those two apologize to Arthur I really can't accept Micah's apology because he didn't on purpose and Dutch didn't and a lot of people are blaming Dutch for this but I knew this was Micah plus I saw a video of reasons to hate Micah Bell by the way my real name is Danielle Harrison I just named my RUclips channel after Dutch because he is my favorite character in the game
Hmm Dutch really started to feel the weight of it. He got tired and stressed and stopped thinking straight... But it kinda didn't help much with everyone pushing on him about what they were gonna do... But trusting Micah... Man really...
You can also get the book interactions in chapter 6. I got the stalking dialogue one a few days ago and the "even you'd get it arthur" one a few hours ago
Funny thing is: If you, whenever Dutch says his deep stuff and speeches, replace him with some homeless guy in raggy clothes and dirty all over in your head, suddenly it's very easy to see that he was always not fully there, mentally.
They really need to fix the consistency of these conversations. With where we are in the story. Optimistic Dutch should be in chapter 2-4 and the negative, crazy Dutch chapter 5-6. There’s just something so aggravating about Dutch telling me “you’ll betray me in the end” in chapter 3.
Dutch was never stable... He just pretended he was. That kind behaviour and thinking everyone will betray him makes sense - even as early as Chapter 3. He always told people what they wanted to hear - or tried. Him saying that to Arthur was a moment when he said what he really felt.
JW Makes I don’t think so... I feel as though Dutch, when everything is not going his way is when he breaks down and becomes unstable. But as Dutch is a confident leader, this usually never happens. Even though Dutch had another gang in RDR1 I feel as though that was himself grasping at what he once had, and his increase in murders was simply due to his unstableness. Chapter 1,2,3 he is always confident in his ability to escape, but chapter 4 he BEGINS to become afraid of the idea he will let his family down, and be abandoned. Dutch attempts to justify every bad action he does, as that is his coping mechanism, so that he still believes he is a good man. I don’t think this is unstable, but human. When he loses everything, he doesn’t care about trying to be a good man who does bad things for the right reasons, he only cares about surviving, and yet is when everyone’s true “monster” comes out. I think type beauty of this message by rockstar, is that Dutch had his own laws and morals, and was therefore in his own right “civilised” as was the whole gang (other than Micah) and those whom where the defenders of civilisation drove Dutch to becoming the animal he is in RDR1. This is amazing, as Dutch said that the world he no longer free, and since himself and his gang did not fit in the norms of the ideal civilised person, Dutch had to die, and therefore his freedom is taken away to be who he wants to be, or live how he wants to live. This is also his downfall, his stubbornness toward change. Dutch, to me, his story is a tragedy.
Damn, when you really realize it after listening to him, Dutch was depressed. He knew that no matter how hard he tried, he just couldn't buy into his own endgame. But he had already gotten too many people involved so he was already well into the point of no return. I would even go as far as him killing that girl in Blackwater really had an effect on him. Especially when your inner circle (Hosea, Arthur, John) are the first ones to notice that you're falling off? His breakdown was so fluid through the game too.
He wants blind followers, the people in his camp were independent thinkers who actually wanted what was best, even if it went against Dutch's deluded orders.
Arthur and Dutch calmy talking together til 09:59 All of the sudden Javiers' having the time of his life in the back. It really took me out of context when I heard him 😂
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"I expect you'll betray me in the end, You seem the type."
... *20 years of loyalty completely forgotten in a single statement.*
Yea that shit would've pissed me off
I mean that’s foreshadowing for the final mission and in Dutch’s eyes, he’s not wrong.
"You're the type," that really gets me there. It's like, how does he see the world to say that about the first kid he took in and kept around and raised like a son for 20 years, and still want him around AFTER admitting that thought?
@@jessicamaccabe7051 Honestly, that shocked me the first time he said it to me on my first play through. It made me wonder if that was foreshadowing or not and it ended up being foreshadowing. Dutch’s mind wasn’t exactly the most stable after the Blackwater Massacre is the reason why he said that as well.
@@-lumbago-3102 yeah, I was lucky enough to hear it the first playthrough too and by that point you knew he was going down hill
7:44 Arthur -" All them years Dutch, for this snake?" - 1899
Dutch- "You know something Arthur, you was always special to me, all these years, all these things we've done, good things bad things all these people weve seen passed out, you was always special." -1899
Almost two years and still finding new secrets,stunning it is
@GTA and Apple channel they dont have the hidden dialogue gta 5 has
@@mikemiter6088 well the one of the devs said there are still secrets in gta 5 still not found
Rockstar are well known for these kind of stuff, that's why their games are one of the best of all time
Not really all that secret tbh
After watching this, I realized that I don’t understand Dutch as well as I thought I did
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
(Sorry guys I’ve been super busy😅) I’m specifically talking about 7:01. I don’t get why Dutch would say that. Especially at such an early part in the game. To me, in chapters 1-3, I felt like Dutch and Arthur were tight. When things when to shit I can see why Dutch kinda went crazy. But things were kind of good at 7:01.
For DutchI just never saw Dutch saying something like that at his prime
The ending is so funny, shows you how fun it is to get under Dutch’s skin
you can really see how batshit crazy dutch actually was. Dude was nuts from the start😂
“All these people we seen, passed on, you was always special.”
“Are we Livin or Dyin this time, Dutch?”
“I guess we’ll find out soon enough.”
yet another unsettling truth sequence.
Arthur's delivery was golden too, this clearly isn't the first time they've had this conversation 😂
this is what makes this game so special , this game is not just another game about heroes or something , its a game about facing reality , people dont act badass or tough in this game , you can actually feel characters in this game are not rambo , this game is a philosophical thinking about life
Theres a really nice interaction that i believe can happen in chapter 2 and 3 if you arent in camp for too long.
Dutch:there you are son! I missed you.
Did you find anything special?
Idk i found it cute
"What about the money in Blackwater!?"
"aRE YoU doUBtIng mE AgAin arThuR?"
Okay so in the part where Dutch is apologizing to Arthur I would not blame Dutch for that because we all know the Arthur is Dutch's right hand And Micah got very jealous of that plus when Micah apologizes to you you can tell him to stop apologizing to you because Micah did it on purpose end with Dutch you can't stop apologizing to you because when I pressed the button to talk to them and for Micah you can tell him not now you can't do that with Dutch why would you Dutch apologizing with love and respect
I had a stroke trying to read this
Leviticus Cornwall me too
Is this supposed to be English?
Dutch was always crazy. I’m tired of the discourse, there is clear evidence all the way back in chapters one and two that he has been a paranoid and manipulative, narcissistic sack of sh!t. He threatens Uncle for the latter saying Dutch wants to be a king rather than a leader, scolds Arthur for being too close out of nowhere, and seems to only refer to John, Arthur, Bill, and Javier as his sons (those who he wanted to manipulate most). In my honest opinion, people who think he ‘was turned by Micah’ were charmed by his silver tongue just as the gang was.
Twenty fucking years but *tRY fAitH*
What matters? What's always mattered?..
A plan?
Fact : in 5:54, if u ignore dutch, he will say fvck u with arthur
Kinda curious what will happen if i walk away from him when he’s talking to me does he yell at me?
study Tawheed
I'm more confused then ever, was he losing his mind, was he good or bad, was he using the gang, should I like him or not. So confused, just so confused.
He slowly lost his mind after Hosea gotvkilled
Their acting is so amazing. They really do feel like real people.
@Mr. Obunga disconnected? Rockstar choosing big voice actors doesnt mean it would be woree
@Mr. Obunga ohhhh yh that does make sense. I like how R* choose not very well known actors
Shouldnta liked it cos then it would be 69
Its like a life in a game
"Okay catch you later then"
"My favorite son" yeah you have him for 20+ years and you left him to die and let a rat control you....
He tried everything he can he started very angry on everthing he cannot let nothinf stand on his way to his plans
Don’t worry, he’s got a plan
@@StinkyPerfume69 yeah thats the promblem he got a plan but not brains
But he said, was.
In my opinion Dutch lost his mind after Saint Denis robbery because hosea died and after the robbery he thinks arthur and John told Pinkertons about robbery
In chapter 6 dutch’s voice is so much more shaky in weird way
He has tb
joku animsツ ah my bad i meant dutch😅
@@Sifolw oh cuz hes gone crazy mb
joku animsツ Ayeeeee!!! Didn’t think i’d see you here lmao
@@Jc-587 Ayy wassup 😂lmao
I love the degradation of the gangs camp through the story. Horseshoe overlook is spacious with sprawling vistas that offer hope for the future, Clemens point has the gang with their backs against the coast, shadybelle has them in a husk of the wanton and unjust excess of the society they once railed against, in a literal swamp surrounded by maneaters and finally beaver hollow, with its closed in hills and forest, unable to retreat any further without literally imprisoning themselves inside a cave. Not to mention, the last two hideouts are coopted from gangs they once tried to distinguish themselves from; one more heinous than the last and both increasingly more similar to the gang.
Genius
The chapters also seem to represent different stages of grief from denial to acceptance.
Also in each camp Arthur tent gets further away
@@nomnom9992 why
@@nomnom9992 Well no exacly, in shadybelle he doesn't even have tent. I think you are looking for something that just isn't there, although the degradation of the camp is and I noticed that too and it's not any hidden knowledge, everybody notices that, even gang members in the game.
The gang in chapter 6: trying to be discreet
Dutch: keeps screaming
Noise, my friend, noise
“How do you keep finding us?”
Pinkertons: “ every town you’re near complains of a deranged man screaming about “faith”
Horseshoe Overlook and Clements Point are the best, best view, best mood, best time to explore the game and never move on until you did everything but the story quest.
I preferred chapter 4 coz it’s a house and there was a glitch to get to new Austin with Arthur in that chapter
@@pcs6905 but Sean is dead
I think I ended up doing more optional things as the chapters went on and the camp got more and more depressing. I started to dread going back and wanted to just let Arthur ride around and do things for other people before his inevitable end.
Imagine if you donated so much into the camp box you got to go to tahiti
Actually, if you donate $600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, to camp in one day you can.
@@chiefchief2871 I literally donated 5000 dollars and he said he needed more money
@@siradmin6791 5000 dollars isn't enough to buy a Mango farm, you fool
so random and quirky 5000$ with today’s inflation is about 155299$ so it’s plenty enough and even back then when Tahiti was just a poor French colony I’m sure a piece land would set back you back 50-10 dollars maybe
@@tahamohammad1741 just like 600 dollars is 600 dollars today 5 dollars is 5 dollars back then
Arthur: "What about the money in Blackwater?"
Dutch: "trY fAItH OrThER!"
Micah: "What about the money in Blackwater?"
Dutch: "Let's go get it, friend!"
ORTHOR
....he specifically never told Micah about where the money was.
7:02 , I remember my first playthrough he said that to me right after I bought the upgrade for his tent.
Thanks Dutch
I remember that aswell I was confused of why he said it
@@thomasstanley3344 yeah,i didnt understand why he said this,maybe he realy are crazy.
@@cssbr3191 suppose it was just a clue of what would happen at the end idk
@@thomasstanley3344 yeah it is more problably. But it is very strange.
@@thomasstanley3344 funny it was dutch who betrayed arthur
So interesting to hear what Dutch and Arthur's conversations are about - it really shows how intriguing Dutch's character is. He seems so idealistic and optimistic when in Horseshoe Overlook and we notice how he seems always willing to talk to Arthur about his musings even though Arthur, who is much more grounded, doesn't share the same idealistic worldview.
At Beaver Hollow, you can sadly see how different Dutch treats Arthur from the way he gets easily irritated by him and how he shuts him out of his conversations. A shocking contrast to the overly sharing Dutch back in Horseshoe Overlook.
Thanks for sharing this content, Point Zero. Keep it up! 👏👏👏
fira weheart after the last train robbery I got nothing no money all or it was when we attacked the Cornwall kerosene and tar and we stole the bonds I really firget
@@Toviyah it's the bonds. I remember because the game insultingly reminded me that gang members get paid for contributing in the heists yet Arthur got nothing.
Blueleaf sorry for my miss spelling in the last comment but could explain what your trying to say to what I comment
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@@Toviyah the raid on the Cornwall place where the gang gets the bonds is where Arthur doesn't get paid his cut.
5:00 is when i try to play rdr2 on pc with ultra graphics
Lmao
This is underrated in a good way.
Potato graphics
Dutch: says anything
Arthur: if you say so
Arthur seems to just follow Durch since he trust him, he also doesn't want to get on his bad side.
A difference I’ve noticed while watching these videos and replaying the game, is how Hosea and Dutch both treat Arthur, while Hosea sees through Arthur’s act of being the tough gun to the man underneath Dutch doesn’t see through it, shown when he says “even you’d get it” referencing the book he’s reading. I think it shows who is more intellectual and more egotistical and who actually cares more for Arthur.
I agree Dutch didn't really care about Arthur as a son.
@@bonniemacfarlane6709 At least not until it was FAAAAR too late.
Arthur says in his diary he loved Hosea a little more than Dutch.
I interpreted that as Dutch merely parodying the facade.
@Bonnie MacFarlane I don't think that's it. I think Dutch just isn't as smart as he thinks he is.
He's all intellect no wisdom. He memorises philosophy and high fallutin rhetoric, but doesn't really understand it. He takes it all on surface level. A man whose mind is as wide as a lake but as shallow as a puddle.
Jim Milton matches him in an argument, something I doubt he's ever had happen before. Bronte sees right through him and immediately knows how to manipulate him.
Dutch is a charismatic con man, and not much more. For a long time, I think even he bought into his con. When that con failed, he had a crisis of identity, and of confidence.
Dutch just gets crazy and crazy
Yeah brother
well if you didn't betray me!..and john didn't betray me just cause he wanted to have a little life with his family..cause his son is more important than say..bill!..and that dog probaly betrayed me also cain
@@dutchvanderlinde2488 You hurt me a lot, Dutch. But Micah was the rat of the band , almost everyone died because of him , and yet you prefer him to Arthur and me
What did I walk into?
@@dutchvanderlinde2488 after all them years ya think I betrayed ya
Hell the dog was more loyal than that rat Micah
I cant believe this masterpiece did not win game of the year
+_+
I know it should have been a tie
@@moe9451 not even close don't get me wrong RDR2 is fcking awsome and etc but game of the year? Yea nah their r drastically better games out their then just RDR2
@@missfortunez3737 lol god of war 4 and rdr2 tied but rdr2 lose sadly
@David Green why do you think that, may I ask?
@@soggybiscuito1505 he thinks that because kratos wasn't a bloodthirsty psychopath in the new game.
5:31
Later Arthur would meet a sweet nun who would tell him *Take a gamble that love exist and do a loving act*
She was actually one of the best characters in the game. Better than half the Gang
I really like how Dutch has small moments where he thinks what he's doing is hopeless.
Dutch was showing signs of cracking long before Hosea’s death and the train robbery. His paranoia was off and on and he always seemed to question Arthur’s loyalty.
5:09 I'm pretty sure it's this one. If you walk away as soon as he shouts "Arthur!" he'll say "Oh, well fuck you too, then!" I only heard it by complete accident after Swanson came up behind me and started yammering on.
3:42 ABORT PROJECT I REPEAT ABORT PROJECT SUBJECT HAS BECOME SELF AWARE
that video with arthur and dutch's camp conversation is fine, but i miss the moment where dutch asked to arthur, ''what happened to you, arthur? ''why did you had to go on and change on me?'' and i also miss the moment where dutch screamed to arthur ''i gave you all i had, all of you.
12:00 Dutch turns to the dark side…
what tahiti does to a mf
😂
5:35 Dutch: Try Faith
6:28 Dutch: Hope is an illness
That sunset scene with Dutch asking when the time comes, is one of his most purest moments of anxiety and humanity pouring out. He’s a bad man, but he still has a conscience.
Maybe next could be the conversations where arthur speaks about mary linton, i believe he discusses it with grimshaw and abigail
“There he is, my favourite son.” it’s sad how that changed when Micah returned.
Got that convo then passed by Duth again after 10 min he says "You gonna betray me"...
Micah has downvoted 😤
I love stuff like this. This game is INCREDIBLE.
Hey, i used watch your asmr video
It sounds pretty fucked up for dutch to assume arthur would betray him when he knew arthur for 20 years and arthur was his favorite son
The way he said “there’s no need to be jealous arthur” sounded completely psychotic💀
The true reasoning why Dutch became so enamoured with Evelyn Miller and his musings, I feel, is that Miller was a man - like many philosophers in that era - who was spiritually lost and found himself bereft of purpose now God was more a question than a definite ... he wrote as a man utterly lost in his mind and denying his heart, and Dutch did much the same. Playing and performing as if there were a human heart at the core of his beliefs and principles whilst leading the gang. Ultimately though the true cruelty of the natural law Dutch ascribed to claimed him ... just as it would eventually claim Miller as well. Consumed by the ravages of nature, and time. In a wilderness of their own making, within their minds.
Evelyn Miller even says to John when he mentions that Dutch was a huge lover of his books that “your friend was deceived.” Miller sees himself as a con artist, I wonder if Dutch felt the same way about himself. Maybe he did have genuine and noble goals to begin with, but his entire worldview got more and more pessimistic as he began to realise that he was a man in a world that had no use for him.
Man this is *Deep*
I never saw how crazy he was acting in the beginning it begs the question his decline slowly started all the way from valentine even if he wasn’t that crazy before thier were early signs of it and as time went on after hosea that was it he lost his mind
Maybe he was always crazy but he was good at repressing it until he became more and more desperate.
I think he is mostly decent, to the gang at least, at the beginning of the game. But Arthur and Hosea do chat about Dutch not being himself from even before the beginning of the game, he shoots an innocent woman during the Blackwater heist and no matter how it was dressed up, Dutch went and started on the O'Driscolls first after they attack their camp at lake Isobella. Arthur and Hosea agree its abnormal to the way Dutch usually acted.
Still pumping out rdr2 content I’m loving it
Dutch loves Arthur and John so much you can really tell by his tone very fine voice acting
Friend: “You know any pixel Exorcist-Themed horror games?”
Me: 5:37
One things for sure, he didn't want money, he wanted the opportunities it gave him. Dutch is a man of principles, for sure, and all money can do is help a person be who they really are, and he's a strong character. Maybe he is family orientated because once they were gone, he didn't care about it, and he stopped dressing so well (to point out his change in vanity), I wonder what changed in him before the game was set from when he'd have him hosea and arthur give the money to the poor to when he started dressing better in the first place because if you look at that picture of them when they were younger, he dressed the same as them. And it's evident in a bunch of dialogue that he changed before the events of this prequel.
All that being said, I think up until (late) chapter 6, he's a loyal man himself. And I kind of hate how this story gets to me so much😂 I love it at the same time though
11:30
Dutch: ok, Arthur
*throws cigar at him*
I love that when he faces over the edge while sitting at the rock and when he stands silently staring into the distance, he's staring into the direction of his RDR1 final camp where he dies. I noticed this as he gives his mini-speech about things being temporary and all of us being creatures. He also talks about Death, i haven't watched this video yet so its likely to be here if he's got every single interaction
TMW you realize that a bar shatting cross dresser from France managed to get to Tahiti and live a fine life and Dutch couldn't even take his "Plan" to part 2.
Is there any dialogue between Javier and Arthur have in Quarma. I can’t seem to find it?
No not really you don't really get to speak to Javier in guarma you break him out and pretty much go back to America after that
@@jackbrsf I always felt like that part was so short
@@boringperson-zb8vy I see what you mean but I think it's perfect because there isn't much more they could of done to guarma
Sucks that the latest update has made alot of these convos bugged out and not work. Like the "you'll betray me in the end" happened to me and all arthur said was "ill catch ya later then"
Plus everyone telling me im underdressed for the weather at all times cutting out most greetings
9:01-9:56: One of the last things the old good Dutch said to Arthur before that Saint denis bank incident.
Dutch was never good. He was a bad man that did good things and he fooled everyone into thinking he was good. In the end he just became more of his true self
@@josephstalin2606 Ah, says Joseph Stalin.
@@phillipwalling7470 It takes a bad man to know one
@@josephstalin2606 Whatever you say.
@@josephstalin2606 Yes Dutch Is Bad, He Was Using Arthur But In The End When Arthur Become Weak Than Dutch Left Him To Die
10:30 “don’t mind me🧍🏻♂️👁️👁️”
No matter how many playthroughs, no matter how much I remember RDR 1, no matter how much I play this game... Dutch was and always is my favorite with Arthur. Both of them are amazing and best Duo 🔥
I think Dutch has been paranoid since the beginning of the game. When he said "I... WE need you strong" to Charles, or when he said to Arthur and Hosea "I... I mean WE will be fine"
its weird how arthur questions little about dutches ideas early on but by chapter 5 you really start to see the difference. Especially 6 once dutch left arthur to die in that industrial building that was the last straw.
Yeah, that's when it went from Dutch might be crazy to Dutch just doesn't care about us anymore.
6:00
8:00
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Dutch knew the fate of his outlaw lifestyle from the very beginning. He knew the gang was just a facade. He knew it couldn't last and was just riding it out until he died or was captured.
Honest to God Dutch might be my favorite video game character. Here's hoping he is the protagonist for RDR 3
He’s very interesting. If you’ve ever seen point break he reminds me alot of the leader of that gang. They rob banks to maintain their “free” lifestyle and believe the ones in power are corrupted and that man should live free and do what he wants. Dutch is the same way. He’s a true believer of his cause but knows that if he can’t leave the country he’ll die in it but not before causing as much chaos and destruction before he goes out. As he said in the first game, it’s in his nature to fight and rebel against everything. Also, Dutch is the only one in the gang that actively chose to be an outlaw when he had the opportunity to be anything else, whereas everyone else joined Dutch because they were at rock bottom and were either going to die miserably like that or go with Dutch and become an outlaw. It’s funny too because John and Arthur always wanted to be something other than outlaws but that life chose them, but Dutch was the one that actually made the choice and chose to be an outlaw
Dutch: Just don’t play games, Arthur
Arthur: I ain’t
The Player:
😂
You know it kind of broke my heart to see Dutch apologize to Arthur I mean he didn't want to hurt Arthur he loves Arthur too much I know he never meant to hurt Arthur this is Micah's fault because he got jealous of Arthur being Dutch's right hand and this happened after he got Micah out of jail what is wrong with him what is wrong with Micah when I hit those two apologize to Arthur I really can't accept Micah's apology because he didn't on purpose and Dutch didn't and a lot of people are blaming Dutch for this but I knew this was Micah plus I saw a video of reasons to hate Micah Bell by the way my real name is Danielle Harrison I just named my RUclips channel after Dutch because he is my favorite character in the game
Hmm Dutch really started to feel the weight of it. He got tired and stressed and stopped thinking straight... But it kinda didn't help much with everyone pushing on him about what they were gonna do... But trusting Micah... Man really...
Arthur: (does nothing)
Dutch: FFFFFFFFAITH
You can also get the book interactions in chapter 6. I got the stalking dialogue one a few days ago and the "even you'd get it arthur" one a few hours ago
Funny thing is: If you, whenever Dutch says his deep stuff and speeches, replace him with some homeless guy in raggy clothes and dirty all over in your head, suddenly it's very easy to see that he was always not fully there, mentally.
Can we take a second to appreciate my sense of fashion?
I feel like Arthur would have beaten Micah's ass for getting uppity at Beaver Hollow. Sick or not, he'd stomp that weasel out.
for someone that complains about faith a lot, he sure doubts a lot
Next can you upload Guarma camp dialogue? You never spend much time there but Arthur can talk to Micah and Javier and they have unique dialogues.
They really need to fix the consistency of these conversations. With where we are in the story. Optimistic Dutch should be in chapter 2-4 and the negative, crazy Dutch chapter 5-6. There’s just something so aggravating about Dutch telling me “you’ll betray me in the end” in chapter 3.
Dutch was never stable... He just pretended he was. That kind behaviour and thinking everyone will betray him makes sense - even as early as Chapter 3.
He always told people what they wanted to hear - or tried. Him saying that to Arthur was a moment when he said what he really felt.
JW Makes I don’t think so... I feel as though Dutch, when everything is not going his way is when he breaks down and becomes unstable. But as Dutch is a confident leader, this usually never happens. Even though Dutch had another gang in RDR1 I feel as though that was himself grasping at what he once had, and his increase in murders was simply due to his unstableness. Chapter 1,2,3 he is always confident in his ability to escape, but chapter 4 he BEGINS to become afraid of the idea he will let his family down, and be abandoned. Dutch attempts to justify every bad action he does, as that is his coping mechanism, so that he still believes he is a good man. I don’t think this is unstable, but human. When he loses everything, he doesn’t care about trying to be a good man who does bad things for the right reasons, he only cares about surviving, and yet is when everyone’s true “monster” comes out.
I think type beauty of this message by rockstar, is that Dutch had his own laws and morals, and was therefore in his own right “civilised” as was the whole gang (other than Micah) and those whom where the defenders of civilisation drove Dutch to becoming the animal he is in RDR1. This is amazing, as Dutch said that the world he no longer free, and since himself and his gang did not fit in the norms of the ideal civilised person, Dutch had to die, and therefore his freedom is taken away to be who he wants to be, or live how he wants to live. This is also his downfall, his stubbornness toward change.
Dutch, to me, his story is a tragedy.
No I think he is more intriguing this way.
I really Love ♥️ it.
Dutch is a sneaky manipulative bastard.
I love him for it.
♥️🖤
Dutch may have been an astute reader, but Arthur was a far better writer.
This is something that Rockstar did a really good job with during development was all the little conversations you can get their are dozens
Thanks Point Zero! Love what you do and appreciate it!!
Damn, when you really realize it after listening to him, Dutch was depressed. He knew that no matter how hard he tried, he just couldn't buy into his own endgame. But he had already gotten too many people involved so he was already well into the point of no return. I would even go as far as him killing that girl in Blackwater really had an effect on him. Especially when your inner circle (Hosea, Arthur, John) are the first ones to notice that you're falling off? His breakdown was so fluid through the game too.
Good video man keep it up
Disease of romantics: hope
Disease of cynics: doubt
:)
5:10 On my second playthrough, in this encounter I ignored Dutch and he said "Yeah well, fuck you then."
caught me offguard lol.
Dutch: “We are gonna be okay, I’ve got a plan. Have faith.”
Me: 🙄
Micah and Dutch say the exact same thing when Arthur escapes back from Colm...
FAITH!
I miss this game,shame its so dead now
How
@@Clashinite no proper update in over 5 months
That was inevitable
And the graphics got downgraded
I'm at my 4th playtrough and I'm still having fun like the first time I played it.
Dutch’s face kinda like General Shepherd from Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. :))
Dutch: " *Do you have the money?* "
Arthur: "We got it sir"
Dutch: "Good that's one less loose end"
🔫 *Bang* *bang*
_Hella Sarcastic_ :))))))
Kinda like me
10:55 Micah didn't seem too happy that you didn't give him a chance to continue being a shoulder devil.
1:53 Oop almost dropped his book
"like a modern day elijah." proceeds to break wrist
7:00 this is proof dutch was always the way he is, it just took time and pressure to let down the act
He wants blind followers, the people in his camp were independent thinkers who actually wanted what was best, even if it went against Dutch's deluded orders.
Dutch's voice is so deep suit his height.
i still cant believe dutch betrayed arthur
Is it just me or as the weather gets warmer, Dutch keeps his hat higher as if not to sweat?
Arthur and Dutch calmy talking together til 09:59
All of the sudden Javiers' having the time of his life in the back. It really took me out of context when I heard him 😂
Arthur: we lost men back there.
Dutch: WE HAVE LOFTY GOALS ARTHER
11:57 "This is UnDEr CONTTTRRROOLLLLLLL!!!" Dutch said calmly.
Arthur thought he die with a hole shot in him wrong he died from terberculosis and a deathly fight against MIcah.
Damn I never saved so I couldn’t go back to good times like 2-3 chapter. Wish I did.
Always The Showman :)
Dutch the kind of person to get ruined by the internet