Great job, guys! This was an interesting incident. Also, have you guys thought of doing an episode on Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 aka the Miracle in the Andes?
As a pilot and flight instructor there are a couple things I would change/add. VFR isn’t exactly just fly out and if you see the destination land. That can be the case with local flights, but any time you’re heading on a cross country(a flight over 50 nautical miles or more) its more flying by landmarks, almost like you’re in a car and instead of having a GPS on, you’re turning right once you see the taco bell and left once you see the walmart. The FAA periodically come out with maps(they call them sectionals) for VFR which will show stuff like landmarks, roads, terrain(with the highest altitudes in the area) that you need to stay above of, however the crew on this flight obviously wasn’t using that either to navigate. Nowadays though even under VFR you’re navigating as the same way as you would IFR(through GPS much to the dismay of boomer pilots). The real benefit of VFR is that constant contact with ATC is optional and if you need to deviate or do something different, such as change altitudes, you don’t have to request it from ATC so long as you keep clear of the clouds by specific amounts of feet(it depends on the airspace your in the most common being you need to keep 3sm visibility 1000 feet above 500 feet below and 2000 feet horizontally from clouds). This rule is still true at night, however when you’re flying at night without lighting to help you, you are pretty much flying IFR at that point because you have no contact with the horizon.
When I was 3 years old I remember myself my mother and grandmother missing this flight by 30 min because the weather turned bad on the drive there. I remember them watching it on the news the next morning.
As a result of this accident Crew resource management training was established which took the stigma out of correcting the PIC if needed. The First Officer realized they were in trouble but waited too long and they crashed into the mountain.
My grandma worked at Hobby airport in Houston Texas in 1973 as someone who would track where the planes were on the map and put data in, and she said they lost it on the map and found out it hit a mountain. She said it was a terrible accident.
I was watching a video about this and in the video they showed the wreckage which is still there and you can visit it if you wanted to also in the video they said a helicopter crashed trying to look for the plane
Great job, guys! This was an interesting incident.
Also, have you guys thought of doing an episode on Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 aka the Miracle in the Andes?
As a pilot and flight instructor there are a couple things I would change/add. VFR isn’t exactly just fly out and if you see the destination land. That can be the case with local flights, but any time you’re heading on a cross country(a flight over 50 nautical miles or more) its more flying by landmarks, almost like you’re in a car and instead of having a GPS on, you’re turning right once you see the taco bell and left once you see the walmart.
The FAA periodically come out with maps(they call them sectionals) for VFR which will show stuff like landmarks, roads, terrain(with the highest altitudes in the area) that you need to stay above of, however the crew on this flight obviously wasn’t using that either to navigate.
Nowadays though even under VFR you’re navigating as the same way as you would IFR(through GPS much to the dismay of boomer pilots). The real benefit of VFR is that constant contact with ATC is optional and if you need to deviate or do something different, such as change altitudes, you don’t have to request it from ATC so long as you keep clear of the clouds by specific amounts of feet(it depends on the airspace your in the most common being you need to keep 3sm visibility 1000 feet above 500 feet below and 2000 feet horizontally from clouds). This rule is still true at night, however when you’re flying at night without lighting to help you, you are pretty much flying IFR at that point because you have no contact with the horizon.
That was my question. As soon as visibility is poor, how could you fly VFR?
Thank you for this insight! Very interesting stuff to know.
Great info. Was this also the case for vfr in 1973? Is there a way to easily look up when the FAA enacted certain rules?
When I was 3 years old I remember myself my mother and grandmother missing this flight by 30 min because the weather turned bad on the drive there. I remember them watching it on the news the next morning.
As a result of this accident Crew resource management training was established which took the stigma out of correcting the PIC if needed. The First Officer realized they were in trouble but waited too long and they crashed into the mountain.
My grandma worked at Hobby airport in Houston Texas in 1973 as someone who would track where the planes were on the map and put data in, and she said they lost it on the map and found out it hit a mountain. She said it was a terrible accident.
I was watching a video about this and in the video they showed the wreckage which is still there and you can visit it if you wanted to also in the video they said a helicopter crashed trying to look for the plane
That PIC kind of deserved it. VFR at night, in the weather, and staying low? It's a wonder they didn't intersect the terrain sooner.
YOU FIXED THE HASHTAGS! Kudos guys, love the podcast. EDIT YOU CHANGED IT BACK AND RUINED IT AGAIN WHY
I think they changed it back again 😂 for me it is #black
Back in #Black
Do you guys laugh so much at all plane crashes?