Hamza khaliq. YOU'VE TO LOOK A COLLINS BOXING AS I HAVE JONES , COLLINS CUT THE RING DOWN AND NOBODY HE FAUGHT COULD GET AWAY FROM HIM , JONES WENT FOR SHOWBOATING WHEN FIGHTING LESSER OPPOSITION AND WHEN HE MET JOE KALGAZIS GOT SHREDDED BECAUSE HE HAD NO PLAN B , COLLINS WASN'T PRETTY TO WATCH BOXING ,BUT HE JUST BATTERED HIS WAY INTO A FIGHT AND BATTERY HIS WAY OUT OF TROUBLE, WATCH EU BANK KNICK HIM UPSIDE DOWN AND I THINK HE GOT UP BETTER THAN HE WENT DOWN , THAT'S EASY TO SAY BUT TO DO THAT TOOK A SERIOUS MINDSET AND 1 HARD FIGHTER , JONES BACK PEDDLING WASN'T IN THAT LEAGUE ,AND THAT'S WHY HE AVOIDED COLLINS ,
Collins could take a serious thump and was as tough as they come. I seriously doubt Jones would’ve put him away easily. He was the better boxer for sure, but Collins had more heart and more will to win than most.
I hate when people say Roy Jones had a weak chin. Collins can say all he wants, Jones beat far superior boxers than him and it took 49(there abouts) fights before anyone finally caught him clean on the chin, and that was only after he had drained 2 full weight classes to fight. Roy Jones is one of the greatest boxers to have ever lived, period. He would have destroyed Collins and it saddens me that Roy continues to fight as its a utter shame.
so you are saying that the likes of chris eubank and nigel benn who Collins defeated were in some ways inferior boxers!! Total horseshit, they were 2 fantastic boxers in their prime along with Steve Collins
i hate it when idiots give people credit for things they did not do. like jones ducking all the other supermiddle weight champs but you acting like he unified.
I loved Steve Collins, but I don't think he would have beaten Roy Jones. He was a tough guy, but I would expect Jones to win a clear and comfortable points decision had they fought.
Jones had every opportunity to fight Collins, yet was happy enough to continue to take low quality opponents for the easy money. Jones, and Jones fans, can make any claims that they would like, but the fact remains, Roy Jones Jr. refused to fight Steve Collins.
@@michealbreathnach2928 that's teh brainwashing they did on you. no one is that good. its only possible to pretend to be that good if you duck bad style matchups like roy did. loma could have done the same, but at least he FINALLY took a chance and fought a real guy. roy ducked the real guys his whole career unless they were good style matchups like toney.
@@jamescaleb9676 I can only compare Collins V Jones to a fight that actually happened....Mayweather V Hatton. I'm sure that Hatton fans (of which I am one, cos I like the guy) would have said, if the fight never happened that Mayweather ducked Hatton. Hatton fought and beat decent, even great opponents (Tzsyu) but got horribly outclassed by Mayweather. Collins had a great chin, slowish feet and no massive punch. He was a swarmer. That style woulda just never worked against Jones.
Steve Collins was a fine champion, he worked for all of his success and came up through the ranks the hard way. Im proud to be from the same country as him. Roy Jones, in his prime was maybe the best boxer ever. Steve would have been embarrassed by him so Im glad it never happened. Jones embarrassed two all time greats in Hopkins and Toney, yes Hopkins beat Jones in the rematch years after Jones prime but we are talking primes here and Jones was incredible.
Hi Michael , if you think Jones would have embarrassed Collins at SMW between 95-97 , I don't think you fully understand or know why they never fought . When Jones beat Hopkins in 93 for the Vacant IBF MW Strap , BHop was a good 4-6 years short of his Prime , he was a late developer , a bit like Lewis , and was barely a Top 10 if even and definitely not Top 5 as other MW Champions like John and Julian Jackson , Reg Johnson and Gerald Mc Clellan , all ranked ahead of him. The James Toney he beat for his IBF SMW Strap in late 94 , was Prime as regards age , where his Career was at being Unbeaten etc but he was not Prime as regards to conditioning , nowhere near , he was in a Hospital bed just 24 hours before the fight on IVs blood drips , it a testament to his strength of will and character to have survived the fight and considering Toney gave him the opportunity , the least Jones could do was return him , which he never would . Jones would have 6 more fights at SMW V no hopers , avoiding WBA Strap Frankie Liles , WBCs Nigel Benn and WBOs Steve Collins , whose Resume was by far , the best of any other SMW 95-97 , irregardless of what people think of his 4 victories over Benn and Eubank , it was way better form than the rest . Collins called Jones out after everyone of his Victories here and even traveled over to the US , managed by Frank Warren , Jones was made really big offers in the US or UK but he kept putting obstacles in the way and overpricing himself , he also done this with Liles , who also wanted to fight him but Jones demanded 85% of the Purse , so he told him to get lost .Jones fought a Guy called Eric Lucas at SMW mid 90s , Lucas was a 100/1 outsider , Jones went playing Basketball that afternoon , to " Prove a Point " in his words , these very words came back to haunt him , he lost many Genuine US Boxing fans that day because he disrespected Lucas and most importantly , Boxing . As a LHW Champion , his Reign here was a joke , he only became WBA , WBC and IBF Champion after they were stolen from Gracianno Rocchigiani , WBC , 98 and the Best LHW of the 90s , Darius Michalczewski who had his WBA , IBF and Lineal Titles , which he added to his WBO Title after he beat Virgil Hill in 97 . Both Rocchigiani and Michalczewski weren't even allowed to defend their Titles , allowing Jones to be handed the WBC Title for Free , then beat Lou Delvalle for the WBA and an old , way past his best , Reg Johnson for the IBF Title . Collins , Michalczewski and Rocchigiani were never Ko'ed in 140 Pro fights between them and were only stopped twice , Rocchigiani and Michalczewski , 1 time each at the end of their Careers and these Guys fought like dogs in the Ring , super fit , tough , strong , endurable with rock solid chins , Collins especially , and would have taken Jones the distance , brought him to War , dragged him to the Trenches , or into deeper water shall we say , and these Guys did not lack Heart , its very fair to ask if Jones could have matched these Guys here . In this very clip there's only 1 Guy embarrassing himself and that's Jones , waving his finger like a Child saying how he can beat everyone , and holding the WBC and WBA Titles which didn't even belong to him then . Sorry for the rant , all the best , take care .
@@markrenehan4360 What about Virgil Hill, Reggie Johnson, Bernard Hopkins (the Hall of Famer), James Toney (Hall of Famer), John Ruiz (not an all time great but Collins would never have beaten him, too big), Montell Griffin. I like blood and guts fighters like Collins and I don't like watching hit and avoid boxers like Mayweather, Jones and Ali but Jones was just way better than Collins just like Mayweather was better than Gatti.
@@francishegarty8087 Francis, you make a well argued case but I will never change my mind on this one. Collins was a sturdy fighter, tough man but this woulda been Gatti V Mayweather only bigger men. Jones would have been untouchable. Just watch them move. Look at the calibre of men both faced and how it panned out.
Maybe the best boxer ever?? Dont insult sugar ray Robinson. Muhammad Ali. Hagler. Leonard .pac man .Duran .moore Armstrong .pep. or any other fighter who fought the best competition of his time.jones didnt
@@michealbreathnach2928 Thanks for that Michael but honestly , when you say , look at the calibre They faced and how they fared out , I take it you mean Mc Callum and Reg Johnson , who both lost to Jones but beat Collins , for a start , Mike was The very best MW by a distance when he outpointed Collins in early 90 in Boston, in a tough fight , Mike was probably just past his best having turned 33 late 89 but it was only Collins 17th fight and was a late replacement with just 4-5 weeks to prepare as No 1 Contender , M Watson had broke his nose in training , Mike was almost 40 fighting Jones at LHW in 96 , had no Title has he'd lost it to Tiozzo, another guy Jones avoided and as for Reggie , once again , he beat Collins as a 32 year old also at MW in a very close fight in 92 , he was 39 years old fighting Jones in 99 at LHW and was really poor , just remember , he beat Guthrie for his IBF Title and Delvalle, another victim of Jones for the WBA Strap , had become Champion having beaten the Mighty Edy Smulder, these Titles were stolen from The Best LHW of the 90s , Dariusz Michalczewski . You say about Jones being this and that but if he brought the same performance like his first fight with Griffin and only fight with Delvalle, where he got floored , against DM between 96-98 , he gets beaten and maybe even KO'ed . I honestly can't see how any Boxing fan worth his salt cannot question just why , was Jones allowed to steal the late Gracianno Rocchigiani's Title from him and even worse , why was he allowed to not fight him ? And just why was DM stripped of the WBA and IBF Titles within a month of beating Hill in 97 ? It stinks , the whole lot of it , an absolute joke . I speak regularly , with other Boxing fans who are from the US and even they can see this , they love the Sport of Boxing but hate what he done and freely admit that he ducked many guys with Collins being the most blatant . Just look at the numbers attending Katie Taylor last week and also realise that she will fill Croker with anything from 70-90K fans , and the numbers that followed Mc Gregor , what I mean is that Jones should have fought Collins in around 95-97 , at SMW , either here in Ireland , the UK or anywhere along the Eastern Coast of the US , that's the fight the Boxing public, Worldwide, wanted to see , it would have attracted a crowd of anything between 20-50K , easily , and regardless of what you think , was a much better option than the others he was fighting at SMW , and much closer but no , Jones was too busy fighting Griffin for a 2nd time in a venue in Connecticut, a Bingo Hall which held less than 5K , says it all really . All the best Michael , take care 🥊🥊
I remember at that time Roy would not fight the top fighters, I really wanted to see Roy vs Collins I don’t know who would have won but it would’ve been a helluva fight. Roy always played it safe
Tarver only got a shot at Jones because he shamed him into a Fight , Tarver called him a Myth and a Fraud , and proved it , and coming down from HW has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Their 2nd meeting was 5 Months after the 1st fight , and age has nothing to do with it either as they are the same age , the truth of it all is that Tarver was his best opponent since Toney in 94. Tarver only turned Pro in 98 at 28 years old but yet by 00 , just 2 years later , had climbed the LHW ladder quite rapidly and was No 1 Contender only for Jones to have him shunted back down the ladder to avoid him , this was before Tarver had lost to Harding , imagine Jones was genuinely scared of fighting Tarver then , a Raw Novice with just 2 years of fighting experience as a Professional.
@@francishegarty8087 Is that you, Antonio? Seriously, Tarver never accomplished anything else in boxing after beating Jones. It's funny that there was a year or two when people actually thought Tarver was good.
@@TeacherDoug7 Tarver was good in that 2 year period as was Glen Johnson , another guy who smashed Jones too , the thing about these lads is that they were better than the Glen Kelly's and Ricky Frazer's of this World , these were the types of guys he was beating instead of facing off against WBC Champion , the late Graciano Rochigiani RIP and the True , Legitimate LHW King of the 90s , Dariusz Michalczewski who became the WBO , WBA , IBF and Lineal Titles holder after he inflicted the then King , Virgil Hill , only his second career defeat in a Unification Bout in 98 . The facts are that Jones fought a 39 years old part time Boxer , full time NYPD Officer called Ricky Frazer in early 99 , who'd only become a Professional 7 years previous , rather than face off V Rochigiani , a guy who Jones along with the cheats of the WBC , robbed his Title and didn't even have the guts to fight him for it in the US at that time . The reality is that Rocky and DM were the legitimate holders of all 4 Alphabets and Lineal Titles and they got cheated out of 3 of them , WBA , WBC and IBF , which Jones had managed to gain all 3 by beating just 2 lads , Lou DeValle , WBA and Reggie Johnson , IBF . In my opinion , Jones career stagnated especially from the mid 90s , his SMW days , up until his fights with Tarver and Johnson because the reality is , how could he improve his game by beating the likes of Ricky Frazer in 99 when he was just about the right side of 30 , then expect to beat an upcoming , hungry fighter like Tarver , who was far better than many on here will give him credit for . 🥊🥊
@@TeacherDoug7Tarver was a way better fighter than the likes of Woods , Kelly and this guy here , Ricky Frazier and so too was Glen Johnson , who also obliterated Jones , Dariusz Michalczewski and the late Graciano ( Rocky ) Rochigiani RIP , a guy who Jones unashamedly stole the WBC LHW Title from the year previous to this fight and didn't have the guts to even fight him for it in the US . Here are some facts for you , this fight V Richard (Ricky ) Frazier in early 99 , was sanctioned by the cheating cowards of the WBC instead of forcing Jones to fight Rocky , the Legitimate holder of their Title , Frazier was a 39 years old part-time boxer , full time Police Officer in the NYPD with a Boxrec 18-3-1 and had only became a Pro just 7 years before this fight , do you honestly think fighting such a guy was going to improve him as a fighter going forward ? Because I certainly don't and just how was he supposed to beat Johnson and Tarver when they were far better and way better than a lot of people will actually give them credit for. 🥊🥊
@@pauljackbyrne9439 Misha Ban has a very good point , Jones did handpick lots of opponents and the 2 Straps he's wearing here , WBC and WBA LHW , were paper Straps that were actually owned by Gracianno Rocchigiani , who was the real WBC Champion then having beaten Michael Nunn in March 97 , after it was vacated by Jones who said he was moving up to HW , only to change his mind and demanded the WBC to hand his Title back 3 Months later , June 88 . It was the 2nd time this cheating , disgusting WBC would give the Childish cheating Jones their LHW Strap for free , yes absolutely free . In November 86 , Jones fought Mike Mc Callum who was an overweight and slow 40 years old , it was Jones 1st fight at the Weight , at the end , he was Proclaimed to the World , " The New WBC LHW Champion " but this was wrong , Frenchman Fabrice Tiozzo was the " Actual Champion ". When the WBC and Jones , scandalously cheated and robbed Rocchigiani in 98 , it was the 2nd time Jones was handed the Title for nothing . As for the WBA Strap he was wearing , he won this from Lou Delvalle also in 98 but Delvalle was only Champion because he'd beaten Eddy Smulder for the Vacated WBA Strap because it was stolen from the Real , Legimitate LHW Champion , Darius Michalczewski , who'd beaten , fair and square in the Ring , Virgil Hill in 97 , meaning that he was the most decorated LHW Champion in the World , holding the WBO, WBA, IBF and Ring Magazine's Lineal Titles , only for the equally cheating IBF and WBA , strip him of these Titles . Rocchigiani and Michalczewski , Guys who were avoided like the plaque by Jones , weren't even given the opportunity to defend their Titles , and Jones didn't have the Honor to even fight them .
@@pauljackbyrne9439 Sorry got my dates slightly wrong with the Rochegiani V Nunn fight , it was March 98 , Jones was handed the Title back in June 98 , 3 Months later . I'm sure you think this is a load of BS but the late Gracianno proved in a Court of Law in New York in 03 , that he'd been robbed and cheated by Jones and the WBC , he was awarded over 30 Million Dollars compensation from the WBC but would settle for less as they were crying Poverty but most crucially and importantly of all , the Judge Reinstated him the Legitimate WBC LHW Champion and backdated it to March 98 to April 00 . This joke of a fight with Frazer was early 99 , that Court ruling in 03, rendered Jones WBC LHW Reign as Null and Void . All the best, take care .
No, he called Roy out many times. I saw it in overseas video. Roy didn't want Collins, Eubank, or Benn. He (Roy) didn't even call Collins out until TWO YEARS after Collins retired. Roy didn't want any part of the European champions. He wanted to fight Derrik Harmond, Glenn Kelly, Cliton Woods. Fighters he could "get himself up for". But were not deserving of title shots....vs fighters that were two time world champs (Benn & Eubank), or lineal champs (Michaelchezwiski).
Benn called Roy out saying he would donate $1,000,000.00 to Gerald McCllelan if he got the Roy Jones fight.....so I don't by that statement. He also called out James Toney and Don King shifted the topic to Michael Nunn.
It was sort of a combination of both. Collins had been beat by a couple of the Americans who weren't even on Jones' level, Eubank was in no hurry to fight any of the Americans, and no one was in a hurry to fight him, either, and Benn fought anyone he could. Back then the WBO belt didn't have as much prestige as it does today.
It means alot for the two fighters. they were on sky sports about a week or 2 ago and Collins really wants this fight. Jones shook his hand at the end of the show and said he was looking forward to it. Won't be the prettiest fight but will have lots of heart.
Did you watch gloves off on sky sports? i got nothing against Collins i did rate him at the time he was around but his health is still good now due to the fact that he never fought him
Frank Wilson if you're a 14 year old American with an Internet connection or a casual whos boxing knowledge consists of reading people's records on boxrec you'd think Jones would beat Collins,Benn,eubank or Joe calzaghe
Steve Collins is a straight delusional. He said Roy ducked him, why would Roy have ducked him. Collins beat who? A way past their prime and extremely shop worn Benn and Eubanks but he’d have a shot at an apex Roy. Gimme a break.
Eubank nor Benn were way past their primes. Eubank was younger than Collins, Eubank also faced much less tough opponents than Collins had in his career.
@@francishegarty8087 Joe calzage -who Collins ducked, Michael Watson twice, Nigel Benn at his peak, suga boy malinga and some other tough opponents too. Eubank was never the same after the Watson fight his finishing ability had gone.
@@sugs1191 The best fighter out of all the MWs late 80s early 90s was Mike Mc Callum , who was Streets ahead of the rest , trust me mate , this Guy was the real deal. The best MW of the 3 Brits , who were all brilliant btw, was Michael Watson , he and Herol Bomber Graham are The Best British MWs to be never Crowned World Champions and I know why , because Watson was robbed in the first Eubank fight , and had him beat all ends up in the 2nd fight but for a brilliant but lucky and devastating upper cut by Eubank , it was like a Goal against the run of play , and a flukey one at that. Do your research , Watson , who had beaten Benn in 6rds mid 89, was due to face Mc Callum early 90 but broke his nose in training , he had 25-26 Fights as a paid Professional by then , Collins , who was operating in the US in Haglers Stable under the Petronelli Brothers Pat and Goody , was the USBA MW Champion then , had only 16 Fights as a Professional , was Holidaying in Ireland , took the Mc Callum Fight at 3 Weeks notice and ran him close , February 90 losing on PTS in a tough brawl , so close that the Great Mc Callum stated he would never fight him again , which he didn't , the Fight took place in Boston. Just 2 Months later , Mc Callum would dominate and utterly destroy Watson in London , April 90 stopping him in 11 Rds. Later in 90 , Benn would travel to the US, beat De Witt for his WBO Title in devastating fashion and defend against Barkley and beat him also in such fashion but come home to the UK and lose to Eubank in a Classic. So Eubank was the new WBO Champ, Mc Callum was still WBA Champ then , challenged Eubank to a Unification Bout but Eubank shat himself and refused. When Benn became WBC SMW Champion towards the end of 92 , Mc Callum , who was dethroned MW Champion , controversially by Toney this year , challenged Benn and he too shat himself. To compare Watson, Benn, Makings and who ever else you can think of that Eubank fought , to Mc Callum is an insult , he was a genius. The facts that Collins ran him close , at his peak or at least close , told me that he had every chance of beating both Eubank and Benn , given the chance , he had fought way better opponents than them early in their Careers.
Colllins gave every fighter he fought problems. I think it would have been a great fight Jones on points. If Jones had of retired after the Ruiz fight Roy could have ranked alongside Sugar Ray Robinson as TBE and Roy would have a strong argument never the same after going to heavyweight.
@@CodyvsEveryone offering someone a completely unfair offer that they have to reject is the oldest trick in the book for ducking, but nothing is too stupid to not be accepted by boxing fanboys.
@@jamescaleb9676 go ask liles trainer. He spoke on it. He wanted more money to fight Roy.. she liles trainer was like yeah liles is playing games. See ya You on every Roy video trynna talk shit like it's facts.. she you're wrong
@@CodyvsEveryone where is the link? and of course he wanted more money. its a unification with the pfp 1. and jones ducked benn and collins, too. he ducked all the champs at super middle except toney who was a good style match up. jones fans are like 13 year old girls cheering for a boy band. you belive you're hero was superman. that doesn't exist. the only time someone looks like superman is when they duck the toughest fights.
roy jones wouldve demolished him. Talking about ducking fights, why didn't he fight calzaghe before he retired? Because he saw what calzaghe did to eubanks and he didnt want his legacy tarnished so he retired.
Steve Collins is all in his ear and you want to fight Roy so bad but you would've got your ass beat by Roy anyways. If you really wanted to fight him then you would've been a little more eager
chris, are you blind or did you not watch the video???? ive never seen another fighter get into the ring and challenge someone like that..what else do you think he could he have done to get roy too fight???? maybe punch him right there.... roy was just another mayweather, running scared afraid of a beating,
giddygiddy85 There are so many Roy Jones nut huggers. He was awesome, don't get me wrong, but Collins called him out again in 2012 - it's on youtube and Roy agrees to a fight, until the cameras weren't on him, then he stopped returning calls...
It was and still is "All about that money" If you are not a prize fighter they will not get in the ring to get banged up for crumbs. Roy's response to Collins is telling this fact. Fighting for glory is over. The money is the reason today.
McCallum was way past his prime when Roy fought him. Steve Collins beat guys like Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank, he is a Hall of Famer. If you think Collins is a bum, then Roy Jones is a bum too.
Ahh this is bollocks. Collins beat two past-prime fighters in Benn and Eubank and then swiftly retired before Joe Calzaghe could have a go at him. He ducked Joe!! He lost to an old McCallum!! Roy Jones didn't need a Collins fight, and if he took it he would have destroyed him. Any logical boxing fan would agree with me.
@@MonsterValidation nigel benn won his first belt in the states and fought here other times, too. steve collins went to pensacola and jumped in the ring to challenge roy. frankie liles is american and was the other supermiddle weight champ. roy ducked him too.
@@jamescaleb9676 Nigel Benn ducked James Toney and so did Chris Eubank, but guess who was man enough to face him???? Roy Jones. Steve Collins retired in 1997 and decided to make his comeback in 1999 against Jones, but then he got injured in training camp and decided to stay retired.
Eubank was past his best at 29 when he was younger than Collins? Thats shocking. Just face it Collins ended Eubank. Benn was past it, then again Benn took his defeats like a proper man and not a petulant child as Eubank did.
Look at the opponents Jones met in between the Toney, and Ruiz fights. There's a well over the hill Gerald McCellan, two fights with Montell Griffin, and a past prime Virgil Hill, Eric Harding. Those are the best fighters he met in that period. That is far from all time great competition, and when you get past those fighters it goes down significantly. Vinny Pazienza, who had no business as a challenger at 168. How good were guys like Richard Frazier, Richard Hall, Derrick Harmon, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, Otis Grant, David Telesco, Glen Kelly, Eric Lucus, Bryant Brannon, etc? Was it that hard to make a tough fight. Were any of those opponents that good? Maybe they were. Most of his opponents during that period were guys we don't know about.
Gerald McClellan and Roy Jones only ever fought in the amateurs, with Gerald winning. He never got a chance to be "over the hill" as a pro as he was sadly brain damaged at his peak vs Nigel Benn 1995. You are maybe confusing him with Mike McCallum.
exactly. he fought bum after bum the whole time nigle benn, frankie liles and collins were calling him out. and the worst thing is that he got away with it. now every guy on top does the same thing and we almsot never see the best fighting the best in boxing anymore.
We'll never know Steo was sumthing special but we'll never know the full potential. Love him to pieces but roy jones was a different animal or so I thought till the Welsh Rocky made an absolute show of him. Would have loved to see all these lads do it in their prime sadly boxing is politics and money
Eubank was at the height of his career when he fought Collins with a 10 million purse from Sky - Eubanks opponents at that time were picked or him from what I can rember with a number of them being fat - Eubank was a great technical fighter but he was never street - Collins was
Eubank was born 8th August 1966. Steve Collins 21st July 1964. First fight was on 18th March 1995, second fight was on 9th September 1995. Meaning Eubank was 29 in the first fight, and 30 in the second fight. Two years younger than Collins. Its just a little embarrassing how people try to make up this excuse and that excuse for the reason why Eubank lost, he couldn't handle Collins style that was it.
Why do people hate on Sreve Collins so much? I gather it is because he is an Irishman and people do not like to see Irish people to well. Roy Jones Jr ducked him ... it would of been a great payday for both fighters considering their records and achievements. Then you have the same people dissing Collins for not covering Joe Calzaghe !!!!
He didnt duck calzaghe, calzaghe even said himself during an interview that collins did not duck him and it was understandable from a business point of view why he chose not to fight calzaghe at that point of his career. collins fought mccallum, reggie johnson, Sumbu Kalambay in italy, benn twice, eubank twice. calzaghe was unknown at that stage and collins only wanted mega fights being at the end of his career, something that was said by even calzaghe. look up your facts before commenting mate.
the real question is.. why would he fight him? what use did he have for him? Money? Recognition? Absolutely not. Collins offered neither of those things. further, people peek at different times. eubank lost to collins, and was pretty much done with boxing.. lost five fights, with only 3 wins in the middle. that tells you something. Research takes like all of five seconds, you have the world at your fingertips. do a search for "What age do boxers peek?" and watch how you don't get a simple answer
Im not angry im annoyed, it annoys me when people try pass their opinions as facts, and when they tell half the story just to suit their point, If your gonna tell it, tell the full story not a biased version!
Not trying to put you down or anything but Eubank was the champion when Collins beat him. Eubank was in tip top condition and well in his prime. Collins had an iron chin and the heart of a lion. Roy jones was an absolute genius and had great skills but his chin was dodgy. Jones got put on the canvas and knocked multiple times. I would have to say Collins would beat him. But we will never know. They are still in talks to fight and it looks like the fight could happen.
Jones would not fight Collins because he knew he could not get rid of Collins, he would only get beaten up over 12 rounds and he was scared of the war.
Steve Collins was a good fighter but not in the same league as Jones jr. He beat Eubank and Benn when they were well past their best, particularly Benn who was shot to pieces by that point. Would have been about 118-110 (10-2) Jones or 116-112 (8-4) at best. Collins was never regarded as a big puncher. He may have had his moments, but wouldn't have troubled Jones.
Yeah pal, and did you watch any of those fights? He was a part time fighter when he fought Mcallum, and I had him winning both his fights against Johnson and kalambay (two fighters benn and eubank wouldnt touch at the time with a ten foot pole). I agree that I don't see how he would have ever beat a peak roy, but if your bringing up the fact he was 'Irish' I could name two Irish-American LHW greats who would.
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because there was better fighters at the time, thats why collins aint on the same level as fighters like hopkins or james toney...learn boxing and you see true legends :)
all facts. and its even worse because the whole boxing community saw that jones ducked not just collins, but all bad style matchups and got away with it. after him all the pfp 1s starting doing the same and now the best usually don't fight the best in boxing. all thanks to the fraud roy jones.
how about reggie johnson?? he was world champion when jones fought him! benn and eubank were old men when collins beat them! how many prime great fighters did collins beat???? jones beat hopkins,toney, montell griffin, lou del valle, woods,tarver, ruiz...... they were all world champions when jones beat them! look through collins's record and tell me who the hell he beat besides benn & eubank?? they were all bums besides mcCallum, johnson & kalambay & he lost to all of them!! who is collins?????
To all the Roy Jones haters, he fought and beat the likes of Bernard Hopkins, James Toney, Mike McCallum, Montell Griffin, Virgil Hill, John Ruiz at HW, and went backdown to LH to beat Antonio Tarver despite being weight drained.
@@jamescaleb9676 styles makes fights not heard that one before. Roy did not duck anyone are you crazy he was pfp number 1 ... if you think any of them could have laid a glove on him in his prime then you need a long lie down.... sure they all wanted a bit when he had half a dozen loses and was easy meat , if you're not old enough to remember a prime RJJ then , he was one of the best to ever do it . Im british but he would have KO all of those guys inside six rounds
@@MarknoblesAcidhouseparty gullible dummies like you are why guys get away with ducking the guys they don't want to fight. you're like a child worshipping a hero and believing they are superman. no one is superman, fool. thats hype.
Lol Collins future hall-of-famer? What hall of fame? British hall of fame? What belt did he hold? was it the WBO at the time when no-one considered it a viable title? Roy Jones is a Future-hall-of-famer because he held belts at 4 weight divisions and is the only middleweight in the history of boxing to lift the heavyweight title.....Who did Eubank or Benn really beat, they both ducked Michael Nunn and James Toney, none of our boys would go near either of them at the time and Jones smashed Toney!
hey Harry if YOU check the facts you might find out that 3 tests were made and the first was positive on both fighters. the 2nd and 3rd was negative so how could he be on steroids??? fuckin haters have nothing to say against prime roy because he had no weaks so you claim was on steroids.
I know Roy Jones Jr fought Mike MacCallum as an introduction to the light heavy division. Any of these fight MacCallum at middle? Watson fought him. I can't remember any of the fighters in this thread cuing up to fight him.
2:10 Steve Collins missed his opportunity ! To polite , excuse me Roy ! Steve should have just said " I fuxking knock you out " and shoved Roy ! Fans would have went crazy for the fight 🤣
F***k Steve Collins he wanted to fight Roy so bad he could have pulled and Antonio Tarver. Show up to a conference and call Roy out in front everyone. Roy in his prime had a great chin and too fast to catch. Collins wanted to beat Roy back then, he would have to catch him. A young Roy was to fast to catch.
Alex198395 We will never know. Roy looked great fighting the likes of Derrik Harmon, Richard Hall, Glen Kelly....none of who were anywhere near as good as Collins.
Wow. Calling Roy a coward after it was YOU who refused the fight. Collins is truly delusional. RUclips " Liles and Collins ducked Roy?" None other than Larry "Give no credit to Roy" Merchant says it on national tv " they refused to fight him" Nuff said. Collins RAN!!!!!!
I am not a fan of Steve for always beating guys when they were last their best and also I don't like him for the madness like this when he is so deluded that he thinks Jones ran or would have lost etc, etc when the fact is that Roy back then absolutely humiliates and embarrasses Collins and its not even close
To say Eubank was way past his best is just not true , he was a 28 years old WBO SMW Champion for 3 years and just came off 1 of his best Career wins V Wharton , Collins on the other hand was 30 , tackling the SMW Division for the first time in his life and it was his first fight in 11 Months , everything , except home advantage , was in Eubanks favor . As regards Benn , they are both the same age and I fully understand that he wasn't the same Guy that beat Mc Clellan a year earlier , but wow could he still bang , and bang he did on Collins but he could take his best shots and let's be honest here , he bullied Benn to bits , he was a different level to what Eubank and Benn were used to fighting . I totally understand why people don't like Collins , yes he wasn't flash , exciting or get the Juices flowing like Benn did but he was way better than most people give him credit for , and yes Jones ducked him , like many others.
nigel benn and eubank were past their prime when collins fought them and roy beat some of the best of his time. bernard hopkins, james toney, virgil hil...all better fighters than collins
Cut to ribbons ? he didnt cut very easy for one 2 if you thing a granite chin is all he brought to the table then your wrong, for one his pace 2 he would have got inside on jones theres no doubt about that, Jones was P4p king of the american hypego threw some of his so call 1990 fights who d he beat appart from a green bhop and james toney ???
past there best ? collins was older than eubank when he beat him lmao theres always someone with some bullshit excuse! just like jones had for collins if it was so easy why didnt he fight him ?
James Toney is embarrassing himself at this stage aswell, yeah good in his day but he's talking shite all the time now. Either Klitschko would toy with him, he only wants to fight them for the money, he knows full well he'd get the head knocked off him and if he somehow lasted the 12 he'd end up in hospital like Shannon Briggs.
@@jdig1984 If you are trying to say Jones was a big seller of Fights from a Fans point of view , in other words ,' Putting bums on seats ' or selling PPVs, you are completely wrong , this Guy couldn't attract flies during his so called Prime Years. You probably don't even know this but Jones biggest Attendance was his fight with Ruiz , in the Staples Center , which has a Top Capacity of just 19K. His return fight in 97 with Griffin , was attended by just less than 5K Fans , the Organiser's switched the Venue from Atlantic City , where the first fight took place and had a Top Capacity of just 14K, these figures are shocking , but let's be straight here , nobody was interested in him , these are the facts , and he sold no PPVs either. In the late 90s a Group of disgruntled US Boxing Fans called ' Roycott ' were formed , they decided they weren't going to subscribe to both Jones and HBO'S nonsense , rubbish fights by not attending or purchasing his PPVs , all true. He actually wasn't well liked , and despised by Genuine US Boxing Fans , have you ever wondered why ?
@@francishegarty8087 would you say the supermiddle weight division had tougher opposition for him had he stayed there or did he take on a tougher challenge at light heavy . I didn't realise he had such poor attendances at his fights. When you compare the massive fights Collins Benn and eubank had in the 90's . How do you think he would of fared against Collins Benn and eubank
@@jdig1984 Hi Jdig, the SMW Division in the Mid 90s was way stronger than the LHW Division Jones left, in terms of Genuine Quality Opponents. Jones got a free ride at LHW, he only became Undisputed after winning Titles that were stolen, blatantly and shockingly, and from Michalczewski and Rocchegianni, and never even fought them, for me to be Undisputed, you beat Your Fellow Strap Holders in the Ring, which he never did. When you consider this, Jones was declared LHW Champion after his very first fight V Mc Callum in late 96, Mc Callum wasn't even Champion then, he'd lost his Title to Tiozzo, so straight away, Jones was given a Free Title, which wasn't his, and against Mc Callum, who was 40, fat, slow and way past his best. If only he stayed at SMW, and fought V Collins, Benn, Eubank, Liles etc, and there was also some cracking but less heard of European Guys like Nardiello, Galvano, Wharton and others. What irks me most is how Jones gets a free ride for not fighting Fellow Strap Holders and priced himself out of fights with Liles and Collins. I'd have loved to see him fight Liles, whose style was all wrong for him, he was a tall and very classy and skilled Southpaw who beat him in the Amateurs, Jones killed this deal by demanding 85% of the Purse. I think Benn and Collins would have given him lots of problems, especially Collins, who would have taken him the distance, thanks for your comments and Questions, you know your Boxing, take care, all the best.
@@jdig1984 BTW, Eubank had a great chance of giving Jones a go but he lacked ambition, and stated that he was too scared to fight him, he also shat himself in 90 when Mc Callum challenged him, and his admission of not fighting Jones has added fuel to all of his fans, who just say there, even Eubank said he was scared. As for Collins being scared, not a chance, he'd have fought him anywhere, and would have done way better than the Pazienza, Byrd, Sosa, Hall, Frazier and Woods etc.
Roy Jones jr. Would have gotten torn apart by Joe calzaghe and Steve Collins he also did not want to fight Gerald McClellan I rest my case he fought Jones fought calzaghe in 2008 and got his ass kicked herreid him in his prime when Roy Jones jr. Joe calzaghe in 08 Joe made him look silly Stephen Collins
First off what your putting forward arent "facts" calling your opinion a "fact" doesnt mean its thru lol but for my own entertainment please by all means give us your so called "Facts" lol
Who was calzaghe at that point ? it wud have beena step backwards for collins not to mention he d have beat calzaghe, ye americans vastly overhype jones its ridiculous lol
I can't take this seriously. You should've been more public about it and not wait almost 20 years before you make a hard stance. Now he's a coward? This sounds like a desperate cry. Every fighter whoever felt he needed a fight, called his opponent out, especially a name as big as Roy Jones. You're supposed to take it to the champ, Period.
+MrLosguerreros wanted no part because the two fighters that destroyed Collins were in return destroyed by Roy Jones. Why would Roy even waste his time, Collins was not on Roy's radar at all. Even highlight reels suck
but you dont hear people being deluded about collins over here trying to make him out to be some sort of superhuman like ye do with roy jones jr, if collins was so far below him why was jones so afraid to fight him ? Wasnt jones caught for roids aswell lol ? At the end of the day you can talk as much shit as you like collins was ready to back up what he was saying jones avoided him! even when collins followed him around the ring !
Roy Jones Jr would have destroyed Collins inside of 5 rounds.
I seriously doubt that, Collins was a tough cookie who would easily have taken Jones the full distance
Hamza khaliq. YOU'VE TO LOOK A COLLINS BOXING AS I HAVE JONES , COLLINS CUT THE RING DOWN AND NOBODY HE FAUGHT COULD GET AWAY FROM HIM , JONES WENT FOR SHOWBOATING WHEN FIGHTING LESSER OPPOSITION AND WHEN HE MET JOE KALGAZIS GOT SHREDDED BECAUSE HE HAD NO PLAN B , COLLINS WASN'T PRETTY TO WATCH BOXING ,BUT HE JUST BATTERED HIS WAY INTO A FIGHT AND BATTERY HIS WAY OUT OF TROUBLE, WATCH EU BANK KNICK HIM UPSIDE DOWN AND I THINK HE GOT UP BETTER THAN HE WENT DOWN , THAT'S EASY TO SAY BUT TO DO THAT TOOK A SERIOUS MINDSET AND 1 HARD FIGHTER , JONES BACK PEDDLING WASN'T IN THAT LEAGUE ,AND THAT'S WHY HE AVOIDED COLLINS ,
Would would would but ran ran ran.
steve collins mother would have beat Jones, Khalig stick to your playstation games
Collins could take a serious thump and was as tough as they come. I seriously doubt Jones would’ve put him away easily. He was the better boxer for sure, but Collins had more heart and more will to win than most.
I hate when people say Roy Jones had a weak chin. Collins can say all he wants, Jones beat far superior boxers than him and it took 49(there abouts) fights before anyone finally caught him clean on the chin, and that was only after he had drained 2 full weight classes to fight. Roy Jones is one of the greatest boxers to have ever lived, period. He would have destroyed Collins and it saddens me that Roy continues to fight as its a utter shame.
so you are saying that the likes of chris eubank and nigel benn who Collins defeated were in some ways inferior boxers!! Total horseshit, they were 2 fantastic boxers in their prime along with Steve Collins
Two words, Joe calzaghe
I think Jones would of won but having said that I think Jones did duck Collins
@@rhysk9830 two words, weak resume
i hate it when idiots give people credit for things they did not do. like jones ducking all the other supermiddle weight champs but you acting like he unified.
I loved Steve Collins, but I don't think he would have beaten Roy Jones.
He was a tough guy, but I would expect Jones to win a clear and comfortable points decision had they fought.
Jones had every opportunity to fight Collins, yet was happy enough to continue to take low quality opponents for the easy money. Jones, and Jones fans, can make any claims that they would like, but the fact remains, Roy Jones Jr. refused to fight Steve Collins.
Lies
Jones was just so much better than Collins that it doesn't matter that they didn't fight.
he refused to fight ALL bad style matchups. that included collins, but also liles, benn, and eubanks.
@@michealbreathnach2928 that's teh brainwashing they did on you. no one is that good. its only possible to pretend to be that good if you duck bad style matchups like roy did. loma could have done the same, but at least he FINALLY took a chance and fought a real guy. roy ducked the real guys his whole career unless they were good style matchups like toney.
@@jamescaleb9676 I can only compare Collins V Jones to a fight that actually happened....Mayweather V Hatton. I'm sure that Hatton fans (of which I am one, cos I like the guy) would have said, if the fight never happened that Mayweather ducked Hatton. Hatton fought and beat decent, even great opponents (Tzsyu) but got horribly outclassed by Mayweather. Collins had a great chin, slowish feet and no massive punch. He was a swarmer. That style woulda just never worked against Jones.
Steve Collins was a fine champion, he worked for all of his success and came up through the ranks the hard way. Im proud to be from the same country as him. Roy Jones, in his prime was maybe the best boxer ever. Steve would have been embarrassed by him so Im glad it never happened. Jones embarrassed two all time greats in Hopkins and Toney, yes Hopkins beat Jones in the rematch years after Jones prime but we are talking primes here and Jones was incredible.
Hi Michael , if you think Jones would have embarrassed Collins at SMW between 95-97 , I don't think you fully understand or know why they never fought . When Jones beat Hopkins in 93 for the Vacant IBF MW Strap , BHop was a good 4-6 years short of his Prime , he was a late developer , a bit like Lewis , and was barely a Top 10 if even and definitely not Top 5 as other MW Champions like John and Julian Jackson , Reg Johnson and Gerald Mc Clellan , all ranked ahead of him. The James Toney he beat for his IBF SMW Strap in late 94 , was Prime as regards age , where his Career was at being Unbeaten etc but he was not Prime as regards to conditioning , nowhere near , he was in a Hospital bed just 24 hours before the fight on IVs blood drips , it a testament to his strength of will and character to have survived the fight and considering Toney gave him the opportunity , the least Jones could do was return him , which he never would . Jones would have 6 more fights at SMW V no hopers , avoiding WBA Strap Frankie Liles , WBCs Nigel Benn and WBOs Steve Collins , whose Resume was by far , the best of any other SMW 95-97 , irregardless of what people think of his 4 victories over Benn and Eubank , it was way better form than the rest . Collins called Jones out after everyone of his Victories here and even traveled over to the US , managed by Frank Warren , Jones was made really big offers in the US or UK but he kept putting obstacles in the way and overpricing himself , he also done this with Liles , who also wanted to fight him but Jones demanded 85% of the Purse , so he told him to get lost .Jones fought a Guy called Eric Lucas at SMW mid 90s , Lucas was a 100/1 outsider , Jones went playing Basketball that afternoon , to " Prove a Point " in his words , these very words came back to haunt him , he lost many Genuine US Boxing fans that day because he disrespected Lucas and most importantly , Boxing . As a LHW Champion , his Reign here was a joke , he only became WBA , WBC and IBF Champion after they were stolen from Gracianno Rocchigiani , WBC , 98 and the Best LHW of the 90s , Darius Michalczewski who had his WBA , IBF and Lineal Titles , which he added to his WBO Title after he beat Virgil Hill in 97 . Both Rocchigiani and Michalczewski weren't even allowed to defend their Titles , allowing Jones to be handed the WBC Title for Free , then beat Lou Delvalle for the WBA and an old , way past his best , Reg Johnson for the IBF Title . Collins , Michalczewski and Rocchigiani were never Ko'ed in 140 Pro fights between them and were only stopped twice , Rocchigiani and Michalczewski , 1 time each at the end of their Careers and these Guys fought like dogs in the Ring , super fit , tough , strong , endurable with rock solid chins , Collins especially , and would have taken Jones the distance , brought him to War , dragged him to the Trenches , or into deeper water shall we say , and these Guys did not lack Heart , its very fair to ask if Jones could have matched these Guys here . In this very clip there's only 1 Guy embarrassing himself and that's Jones , waving his finger like a Child saying how he can beat everyone , and holding the WBC and WBA Titles which didn't even belong to him then . Sorry for the rant , all the best , take care .
@@markrenehan4360 What about Virgil Hill, Reggie Johnson, Bernard Hopkins (the Hall of Famer), James Toney (Hall of Famer), John Ruiz (not an all time great but Collins would never have beaten him, too big), Montell Griffin.
I like blood and guts fighters like Collins and I don't like watching hit and avoid boxers like Mayweather, Jones and Ali but Jones was just way better than Collins just like Mayweather was better than Gatti.
@@francishegarty8087 Francis, you make a well argued case but I will never change my mind on this one. Collins was a sturdy fighter, tough man but this woulda been Gatti V Mayweather only bigger men. Jones would have been untouchable. Just watch them move. Look at the calibre of men both faced and how it panned out.
Maybe the best boxer ever?? Dont insult sugar ray Robinson. Muhammad Ali. Hagler. Leonard .pac man .Duran .moore Armstrong .pep. or any other fighter who fought the best competition of his time.jones didnt
@@michealbreathnach2928 Thanks for that Michael but honestly , when you say , look at the calibre They faced and how they fared out , I take it you mean Mc Callum and Reg Johnson , who both lost to Jones but beat Collins , for a start , Mike was The very best MW by a distance when he outpointed Collins in early 90 in Boston, in a tough fight , Mike was probably just past his best having turned 33 late 89 but it was only Collins 17th fight and was a late replacement with just 4-5 weeks to prepare as No 1 Contender , M Watson had broke his nose in training , Mike was almost 40 fighting Jones at LHW in 96 , had no Title has he'd lost it to Tiozzo, another guy Jones avoided and as for Reggie , once again , he beat Collins as a 32 year old also at MW in a very close fight in 92 , he was 39 years old fighting Jones in 99 at LHW and was really poor , just remember , he beat Guthrie for his IBF Title and Delvalle, another victim of Jones for the WBA Strap , had become Champion having beaten the Mighty Edy Smulder, these Titles were stolen from The Best LHW of the 90s , Dariusz Michalczewski . You say about Jones being this and that but if he brought the same performance like his first fight with Griffin and only fight with Delvalle, where he got floored , against DM between 96-98 , he gets beaten and maybe even KO'ed . I honestly can't see how any Boxing fan worth his salt cannot question just why , was Jones allowed to steal the late Gracianno Rocchigiani's Title from him and even worse , why was he allowed to not fight him ? And just why was DM stripped of the WBA and IBF Titles within a month of beating Hill in 97 ? It stinks , the whole lot of it , an absolute joke . I speak regularly , with other Boxing fans who are from the US and even they can see this , they love the Sport of Boxing but hate what he done and freely admit that he ducked many guys with Collins being the most blatant . Just look at the numbers attending Katie Taylor last week and also realise that she will fill Croker with anything from 70-90K fans , and the numbers that followed Mc Gregor , what I mean is that Jones should have fought Collins in around 95-97 , at SMW , either here in Ireland , the UK or anywhere along the Eastern Coast of the US , that's the fight the Boxing public, Worldwide, wanted to see , it would have attracted a crowd of anything between 20-50K , easily , and regardless of what you think , was a much better option than the others he was fighting at SMW , and much closer but no , Jones was too busy fighting Griffin for a 2nd time in a venue in Connecticut, a Bingo Hall which held less than 5K , says it all really . All the best Michael , take care 🥊🥊
I remember at that time Roy would not fight the top fighters, I really wanted to see Roy vs Collins I don’t know who would have won but it would’ve been a helluva fight. Roy always played it safe
He should of called him out like tarver did instead of crying about it now. Tarver got what he wanted
are you simple. he called over and over. he even jumped the ring and called him out to his face.
Tarver only got a shot at Jones because he shamed him into a Fight , Tarver called him a Myth and a Fraud , and proved it , and coming down from HW has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Their 2nd meeting was 5 Months after the 1st fight , and age has nothing to do with it either as they are the same age , the truth of it all is that Tarver was his best opponent since Toney in 94. Tarver only turned Pro in 98 at 28 years old but yet by 00 , just 2 years later , had climbed the LHW ladder quite rapidly and was No 1 Contender only for Jones to have him shunted back down the ladder to avoid him , this was before Tarver had lost to Harding , imagine Jones was genuinely scared of fighting Tarver then , a Raw Novice with just 2 years of fighting experience as a Professional.
@@francishegarty8087 Is that you, Antonio? Seriously, Tarver never accomplished anything else in boxing after beating Jones. It's funny that there was a year or two when people actually thought Tarver was good.
@@TeacherDoug7 Tarver was good in that 2 year period as was Glen Johnson , another guy who smashed Jones too , the thing about these lads is that they were better than the Glen Kelly's and Ricky Frazer's of this World , these were the types of guys he was beating instead of facing off against WBC Champion , the late Graciano Rochigiani RIP and the True , Legitimate LHW King of the 90s , Dariusz Michalczewski who became the WBO , WBA , IBF and Lineal Titles holder after he inflicted the then King , Virgil Hill , only his second career defeat in a Unification Bout in 98 . The facts are that Jones fought a 39 years old part time Boxer , full time NYPD Officer called Ricky Frazer in early 99 , who'd only become a Professional 7 years previous , rather than face off V Rochigiani , a guy who Jones along with the cheats of the WBC , robbed his Title and didn't even have the guts to fight him for it in the US at that time . The reality is that Rocky and DM were the legitimate holders of all 4 Alphabets and Lineal Titles and they got cheated out of 3 of them , WBA , WBC and IBF , which Jones had managed to gain all 3 by beating just 2 lads , Lou DeValle , WBA and Reggie Johnson , IBF . In my opinion , Jones career stagnated especially from the mid 90s , his SMW days , up until his fights with Tarver and Johnson because the reality is , how could he improve his game by beating the likes of Ricky Frazer in 99 when he was just about the right side of 30 , then expect to beat an upcoming , hungry fighter like Tarver , who was far better than many on here will give him credit for . 🥊🥊
@@TeacherDoug7Tarver was a way better fighter than the likes of Woods , Kelly and this guy here , Ricky Frazier and so too was Glen Johnson , who also obliterated Jones , Dariusz Michalczewski and the late Graciano ( Rocky ) Rochigiani RIP , a guy who Jones unashamedly stole the WBC LHW Title from the year previous to this fight and didn't have the guts to even fight him for it in the US . Here are some facts for you , this fight V Richard (Ricky ) Frazier in early 99 , was sanctioned by the cheating cowards of the WBC instead of forcing Jones to fight Rocky , the Legitimate holder of their Title , Frazier was a 39 years old part-time boxer , full time Police Officer in the NYPD with a Boxrec 18-3-1 and had only became a Pro just 7 years before this fight , do you honestly think fighting such a guy was going to improve him as a fighter going forward ? Because I certainly don't and just how was he supposed to beat Johnson and Tarver when they were far better and way better than a lot of people will actually give them credit for. 🥊🥊
Jones was a paper champion...hand picked most of his fights. Jones was a runner with a glass jaw.
Hilarious comment
@@pauljackbyrne9439 Misha Ban has a very good point , Jones did handpick lots of opponents and the 2 Straps he's wearing here , WBC and WBA LHW , were paper Straps that were actually owned by Gracianno Rocchigiani , who was the real WBC Champion then having beaten Michael Nunn in March 97 , after it was vacated by Jones who said he was moving up to HW , only to change his mind and demanded the WBC to hand his Title back 3 Months later , June 88 . It was the 2nd time this cheating , disgusting WBC would give the Childish cheating Jones their LHW Strap for free , yes absolutely free . In November 86 , Jones fought Mike Mc Callum who was an overweight and slow 40 years old , it was Jones 1st fight at the Weight , at the end , he was Proclaimed to the World , " The New WBC LHW Champion " but this was wrong , Frenchman Fabrice Tiozzo was the " Actual Champion ". When the WBC and Jones , scandalously cheated and robbed Rocchigiani in 98 , it was the 2nd time Jones was handed the Title for nothing . As for the WBA Strap he was wearing , he won this from Lou Delvalle also in 98 but Delvalle was only Champion because he'd beaten Eddy Smulder for the Vacated WBA Strap because it was stolen from the Real , Legimitate LHW Champion , Darius Michalczewski , who'd beaten , fair and square in the Ring , Virgil Hill in 97 , meaning that he was the most decorated LHW Champion in the World , holding the WBO, WBA, IBF and Ring Magazine's Lineal Titles , only for the equally cheating IBF and WBA , strip him of these Titles . Rocchigiani and Michalczewski , Guys who were avoided like the plaque by Jones , weren't even given the opportunity to defend their Titles , and Jones didn't have the Honor to even fight them .
@@pauljackbyrne9439 Sorry got my dates slightly wrong with the Rochegiani V Nunn fight , it was March 98 , Jones was handed the Title back in June 98 , 3 Months later . I'm sure you think this is a load of BS but the late Gracianno proved in a Court of Law in New York in 03 , that he'd been robbed and cheated by Jones and the WBC , he was awarded over 30 Million Dollars compensation from the WBC but would settle for less as they were crying Poverty but most crucially and importantly of all , the Judge Reinstated him the Legitimate WBC LHW Champion and backdated it to March 98 to April 00 . This joke of a fight with Frazer was early 99 , that Court ruling in 03, rendered Jones WBC LHW Reign as Null and Void . All the best, take care .
No, he called Roy out many times. I saw it in overseas video. Roy didn't want Collins, Eubank, or Benn. He (Roy) didn't even call Collins out until TWO YEARS after Collins retired. Roy didn't want any part of the European champions. He wanted to fight Derrik Harmond, Glenn Kelly, Cliton Woods. Fighters he could "get himself up for". But were not deserving of title shots....vs fighters that were two time world champs (Benn & Eubank), or lineal champs (Michaelchezwiski).
everybody other than Joe Calzaghe from Europe SUCKED! Chris fought like a fuckin robot😂😂
Eubank and Benn have both admitted they wanted nothing to do with Jones or Toney.
Benn called Roy out saying he would donate $1,000,000.00 to Gerald McCllelan if he got the Roy Jones fight.....so I don't by that statement. He also called out James Toney and Don King shifted the topic to Michael Nunn.
bullshit, they were too pussy to leave europe
It was sort of a combination of both. Collins had been beat by a couple of the Americans who weren't even on Jones' level, Eubank was in no hurry to fight any of the Americans, and no one was in a hurry to fight him, either, and Benn fought anyone he could. Back then the WBO belt didn't have as much prestige as it does today.
It means alot for the two fighters. they were on sky sports about a week or 2 ago and Collins really wants this fight. Jones shook his hand at the end of the show and said he was looking forward to it. Won't be the prettiest fight but will have lots of heart.
Steve give me and my father some of are best memories together thinks Steve think you
after what fight was this? this looks like late 90s roy.
Steve Collins in his prime stood not 1 fuckin chance of beating Roy Jones jnr END OF Roy Jones was theeeeeee best
Did you watch gloves off on sky sports? i got nothing against Collins i did rate him at the time he was around but his health is still good now due to the fact that he never fought him
cohenhaywood10 He didn't run from him, Roy doesn't duck anyone
I totally agree and i spent most of yesterday watchin Roy Jones fights and he looked even better than i remembered
Frank Wilson if you're a 14 year old American with an Internet connection or a casual whos boxing knowledge consists of reading people's records on boxrec you'd think Jones would beat Collins,Benn,eubank or Joe calzaghe
Frank Wilson why did he not fight him then?
Steve Collins is a straight delusional. He said Roy ducked him, why would Roy have ducked him.
Collins beat who? A way past their prime and extremely shop worn Benn and Eubanks but he’d have a shot at an apex Roy.
Gimme a break.
Eubank nor Benn were way past their primes. Eubank was younger than Collins, Eubank also faced much less tough opponents than Collins had in his career.
@@cormacmcquillan3005 sorry but that's bs. Eubank fought much harder opponents that Collins
@@sugs1191 Who are the better opponents that Eubank fought , compared to Collins ?
@@francishegarty8087 Joe calzage -who Collins ducked, Michael Watson twice, Nigel Benn at his peak, suga boy malinga and some other tough opponents too. Eubank was never the same after the Watson fight his finishing ability had gone.
@@sugs1191 The best fighter out of all the MWs late 80s early 90s was Mike Mc Callum , who was Streets ahead of the rest , trust me mate , this Guy was the real deal. The best MW of the 3 Brits , who were all brilliant btw, was Michael Watson , he and Herol Bomber Graham are The Best British MWs to be never Crowned World Champions and I know why , because Watson was robbed in the first Eubank fight , and had him beat all ends up in the 2nd fight but for a brilliant but lucky and devastating upper cut by Eubank , it was like a Goal against the run of play , and a flukey one at that. Do your research , Watson , who had beaten Benn in 6rds mid 89, was due to face Mc Callum early 90 but broke his nose in training , he had 25-26 Fights as a paid Professional by then , Collins , who was operating in the US in Haglers Stable under the Petronelli Brothers Pat and Goody , was the USBA MW Champion then , had only 16 Fights as a Professional , was Holidaying in Ireland , took the Mc Callum Fight at 3 Weeks notice and ran him close , February 90 losing on PTS in a tough brawl , so close that the Great Mc Callum stated he would never fight him again , which he didn't , the Fight took place in Boston. Just 2 Months later , Mc Callum would dominate and utterly destroy Watson in London , April 90 stopping him in 11 Rds. Later in 90 , Benn would travel to the US, beat De Witt for his WBO Title in devastating fashion and defend against Barkley and beat him also in such fashion but come home to the UK and lose to Eubank in a Classic. So Eubank was the new WBO Champ, Mc Callum was still WBA Champ then , challenged Eubank to a Unification Bout but Eubank shat himself and refused. When Benn became WBC SMW Champion towards the end of 92 , Mc Callum , who was dethroned MW Champion , controversially by Toney this year , challenged Benn and he too shat himself. To compare Watson, Benn, Makings and who ever else you can think of that Eubank fought , to Mc Callum is an insult , he was a genius. The facts that Collins ran him close , at his peak or at least close , told me that he had every chance of beating both Eubank and Benn , given the chance , he had fought way better opponents than them early in their Careers.
Roy Was All Talk. I'm Glad He Got Knocked The Fuck Out So Many Times!
i wish larry would have opened up a bit more there.....great upload
the issue is not whether or not he had a weak chin the problem was getting to that chin to test it 🤣🤣🤣
So lets see - let the fight happen
Colllins gave every fighter he fought problems. I think it would have been a great fight Jones on points. If Jones had of retired after the Ruiz fight Roy could have ranked alongside Sugar Ray Robinson as TBE and Roy would have a strong argument never the same after going to heavyweight.
roy ducked all bad style matchups which confuses teh stupid fans who don't know boxing into thinking he was invincible
@@jamescaleb9676 liles priced himself out of the fight go ask his trainer
@@CodyvsEveryone offering someone a completely unfair offer that they have to reject is the oldest trick in the book for ducking, but nothing is too stupid to not be accepted by boxing fanboys.
@@jamescaleb9676 go ask liles trainer. He spoke on it. He wanted more money to fight Roy.. she liles trainer was like yeah liles is playing games. See ya
You on every Roy video trynna talk shit like it's facts.. she you're wrong
@@CodyvsEveryone where is the link? and of course he wanted more money. its a unification with the pfp 1. and jones ducked benn and collins, too. he ducked all the champs at super middle except toney who was a good style match up. jones fans are like 13 year old girls cheering for a boy band. you belive you're hero was superman. that doesn't exist. the only time someone looks like superman is when they duck the toughest fights.
roy jones wouldve demolished him. Talking about ducking fights, why didn't he fight calzaghe before he retired? Because he saw what calzaghe did to eubanks and he didnt want his legacy tarnished so he retired.
lmao steve collins mad tht roy is 3 times the fighter he is. steve collins goes in 4 against jones if steves lucky roy will let him go a full 6
Steve Collins is all in his ear and you want to fight Roy so bad but you would've got your ass beat by Roy anyways. If you really wanted to fight him then you would've been a little more eager
You right if he really wanted Roy he could have did more. I don't remember Roy ducking anyone. If you want to talk about ducking. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Hes not ducking fights, hes saving pacroid for his last fight
chris, are you blind or did you not watch the video???? ive never seen another fighter get into the ring and challenge someone like that..what else do you think he could he have done to get roy too fight???? maybe punch him right there.... roy was just another mayweather, running scared afraid of a beating,
giddygiddy85 There are so many Roy Jones nut huggers. He was awesome, don't get me wrong, but Collins called him out again in 2012 - it's on youtube and Roy agrees to a fight, until the cameras weren't on him, then he stopped returning calls...
Fuck Collins!! So what if he called him out!! He's a curb anyways!!!
Roy would make Collins look stupid. No question.
Why didn't he fight him then?
It was and still is "All about that money" If you are not a prize fighter they will not get in the ring to get banged up for crumbs. Roy's response to Collins is telling this fact. Fighting for glory is over. The money is the reason today.
McCallum was way past his prime when Roy fought him. Steve Collins beat guys like Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank, he is a Hall of Famer. If you think Collins is a bum, then Roy Jones is a bum too.
jones v collins in 1999 who wins tho obviously ...
@@Bravo.2 I think u know the real answer to that
He beat Eubank after his peak- after the Watson fight. Benn had great power but not a great technical boxer.
Ahh this is bollocks. Collins beat two past-prime fighters in Benn and Eubank and then swiftly retired before Joe Calzaghe could have a go at him. He ducked Joe!! He lost to an old McCallum!! Roy Jones didn't need a Collins fight, and if he took it he would have destroyed him. Any logical boxing fan would agree with me.
2.17 how he pushes Collins away
Haha!
Roy Jones Jr never beat a unified, undisputed, or linear champion in his entire career... DID YOU KNOW THAT?!?!
Haha!
Still defeated 19 world champs and 5 hall of famers.
@@MonsterValidation yes, the carefully chosen ones. he ducked all the other supermiddle weight champs.
@@jamescaleb9676 I still feel like they ducked him, Chris Eubank never wanted to come to the states to fight the best and neither did Nigel Been.
@@MonsterValidation nigel benn won his first belt in the states and fought here other times, too. steve collins went to pensacola and jumped in the ring to challenge roy. frankie liles is american and was the other supermiddle weight champ. roy ducked him too.
@@jamescaleb9676 Nigel Benn ducked James Toney and so did Chris Eubank, but guess who was man enough to face him???? Roy Jones. Steve Collins retired in 1997 and decided to make his comeback in 1999 against Jones, but then he got injured in training camp and decided to stay retired.
Eubank was past his best at 29 when he was younger than Collins? Thats shocking. Just face it Collins ended Eubank. Benn was past it, then again Benn took his defeats like a proper man and not a petulant child as Eubank did.
Look at the opponents Jones met in between the Toney, and Ruiz fights. There's a well over the hill Gerald McCellan, two fights with Montell Griffin, and a past prime Virgil Hill, Eric Harding. Those are the best fighters he met in that period. That is far from all time great competition, and when you get past those fighters it goes down significantly. Vinny Pazienza, who had no business as a challenger at 168. How good were guys like Richard Frazier, Richard Hall, Derrick Harmon, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, Otis Grant, David Telesco, Glen Kelly, Eric Lucus, Bryant Brannon, etc? Was it that hard to make a tough fight. Were any of those opponents that good? Maybe they were. Most of his opponents during that period were guys we don't know about.
Gerald McClellan and Roy Jones only ever fought in the amateurs, with Gerald winning. He never got a chance to be "over the hill" as a pro as he was sadly brain damaged at his peak vs Nigel Benn 1995. You are maybe confusing him with Mike McCallum.
@@ProfRogers I meant Mike McCallum
@@lrg123100 paz had the IBF red belt at super middle weight at the time
exactly. he fought bum after bum the whole time nigle benn, frankie liles and collins were calling him out. and the worst thing is that he got away with it. now every guy on top does the same thing and we almsot never see the best fighting the best in boxing anymore.
We'll never know Steo was sumthing special but we'll never know the full potential. Love him to pieces but roy jones was a different animal or so I thought till the Welsh Rocky made an absolute show of him. Would have loved to see all these lads do it in their prime sadly boxing is politics and money
Classic Larry Merchant
Eubank was at the height of his career when he fought Collins with a 10 million purse from Sky - Eubanks opponents at that time were picked or him from what I can rember with a number of them being fat - Eubank was a great technical fighter but he was never street - Collins was
Eubank was born 8th August 1966. Steve Collins 21st July 1964. First fight was on 18th March 1995, second fight was on 9th September 1995. Meaning Eubank was 29 in the first fight, and 30 in the second fight. Two years younger than Collins. Its just a little embarrassing how people try to make up this excuse and that excuse for the reason why Eubank lost, he couldn't handle Collins style that was it.
I think roy would've beat steve collins by decision but I think it would've been a tough fight and I do think roy avoided him
I agree
STFU, Roy Jones would have wiped the floor with this bum
Why do people hate on Sreve Collins so much? I gather it is because he is an Irishman and people do not like to see Irish people to well. Roy Jones Jr ducked him ... it would of been a great payday for both fighters considering their records and achievements. Then you have the same people dissing Collins for not covering Joe Calzaghe !!!!
Gavin James Benn was past it but not Eubank. Eubank was 41-0 before fighting Collins.
@Ian O
Trust me, it's because he's White. It's fashionable to hate on White people these days.
Collins would have got a hiding.... deluded
Collins is a idiot and I live 5 minutes from where he lives roy Jones would of smashed him..
Roy would have shut Collins out over 12 rounds. No contest.
He didnt duck calzaghe, calzaghe even said himself during an interview that collins did not duck him and it was understandable from a business point of view why he chose not to fight calzaghe at that point of his career. collins fought mccallum, reggie johnson, Sumbu Kalambay in italy, benn twice, eubank twice. calzaghe was unknown at that stage and collins only wanted mega fights being at the end of his career, something that was said by even calzaghe. look up your facts before commenting mate.
Then why didn't he fight him - he was given enough invites
the real question is.. why would he fight him? what use did he have for him? Money? Recognition? Absolutely not. Collins offered neither of those things. further, people peek at different times. eubank lost to collins, and was pretty much done with boxing.. lost five fights, with only 3 wins in the middle. that tells you something. Research takes like all of five seconds, you have the world at your fingertips. do a search for "What age do boxers peek?" and watch how you don't get a simple answer
Collins was a great fighter. Roy would be the favourite but Steve would be hunting. I'd pay to see that one
I wouldn't want it with him either
Im not angry im annoyed, it annoys me when people try pass their opinions as facts, and when they tell half the story just to suit their point,
If your gonna tell it, tell the full story not a biased version!
Not trying to put you down or anything but Eubank was the champion when Collins beat him. Eubank was in tip top condition and well in his prime. Collins had an iron chin and the heart of a lion. Roy jones was an absolute genius and had great skills but his chin was dodgy. Jones got put on the canvas and knocked multiple times. I would have to say Collins would beat him. But we will never know. They are still in talks to fight and it looks like the fight could happen.
Steve Collins was very underrated... probably because he was a good White boxer.
He was still not on Jones's level and didn't deserve to fight him.
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Says who?? I'm not saying he'd beat Jones, but he had the potential to cause him problems. Collins in his prime was no joke.
@@rogerwilco5586 He would never have caused him problems. Collins was obviously no joke, but he would have looked like one against Jones.
@@H.K.5
Totally disagree. I'm sure it would've been a close, good fight.
collins was super active, he managed to beat both benn and eubanks but damn he couldn't carry jones' jockstrap people
That's what you probably said about Calzaghe too before he beat Roy Jones Jr EASILY.
@@frankiesparks2868 Yeah, he beat a washed up Jones.
Jones would not fight Collins because he knew he could not get rid of Collins, he would only get beaten up over 12 rounds and he was scared of the war.
I think Collins would have beaten Roy Jones Junior
Steve Collins was a good fighter but not in the same league as Jones jr. He beat Eubank and Benn when they were well past their best, particularly Benn who was shot to pieces by that point. Would have been about 118-110 (10-2) Jones or 116-112 (8-4) at best. Collins was never regarded as a big puncher. He may have had his moments, but wouldn't have troubled Jones.
Steve Collins advoided Joe Calzaghe because he was scare Joe would beat him.
lol no one would of payed 2 see that fight cos ppl over america dont evan no who collins was, he fights like a robot
Yeah pal, and did you watch any of those fights? He was a part time fighter when he fought Mcallum, and I had him winning both his fights against Johnson and kalambay (two fighters benn and eubank wouldnt touch at the time with a ten foot pole). I agree that I don't see how he would have ever beat a peak roy, but if your bringing up the fact he was 'Irish' I could name two Irish-American LHW greats who would.
calzaghe destroyed him for you anyway mate
Roy would have killed this dude...let's get serious.
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because there was better fighters at the time, thats why collins aint on the same level as fighters like hopkins or james toney...learn boxing and you see true legends :)
Because nobody knew him over here!! He would have made no money nor sense...
all facts. and its even worse because the whole boxing community saw that jones ducked not just collins, but all bad style matchups and got away with it. after him all the pfp 1s starting doing the same and now the best usually don't fight the best in boxing. all thanks to the fraud roy jones.
Clearly ur only a casual boxing fan, if you think collins vs jones wud have been one sided
I’m a massive Jones fan but I hate to say I think he ducked Steve Collins.
how about reggie johnson?? he was world champion when jones fought him! benn and eubank were old men when collins beat them! how many prime great fighters did collins beat???? jones beat hopkins,toney, montell griffin, lou del valle, woods,tarver, ruiz...... they were all world champions when jones beat them! look through collins's record and tell me who the hell he beat besides benn & eubank?? they were all bums besides mcCallum, johnson & kalambay & he lost to all of them!! who is collins?????
To all the Roy Jones apologists. Who did he really fight?
To all the Roy Jones haters, he fought and beat the likes of Bernard Hopkins, James Toney, Mike McCallum, Montell Griffin, Virgil Hill, John Ruiz at HW, and went backdown to LH to beat Antonio Tarver despite being weight drained.
Mike McCallum and Reggie Johnson. Collins fought those guys, how did that turn out for him?
how the fuck can he say roy ducked him , he beat james toney and bernard hopkins at middleweight ... both twice the fighters of steve collins
because for those who know anything of boxing know that styles make fights. roy ducked all bad style matchups like liles, collins, benn, etc
@@jamescaleb9676 styles makes fights not heard that one before. Roy did not duck anyone are you crazy he was pfp number 1 ... if you think any of them could have laid a glove on him in his prime then you need a long lie down.... sure they all wanted a bit when he had half a dozen loses and was easy meat , if you're not old enough to remember a prime RJJ then , he was one of the best to ever do it . Im british but he would have KO all of those guys inside six rounds
@@MarknoblesAcidhouseparty gullible dummies like you are why guys get away with ducking the guys they don't want to fight. you're like a child worshipping a hero and believing they are superman. no one is superman, fool. thats hype.
Lol Collins future hall-of-famer? What hall of fame? British hall of fame? What belt did he hold? was it the WBO at the time when no-one considered it a viable title? Roy Jones is a Future-hall-of-famer because he held belts at 4 weight divisions and is the only middleweight in the history of boxing to lift the heavyweight title.....Who did Eubank or Benn really beat, they both ducked Michael Nunn and James Toney, none of our boys would go near either of them at the time and Jones smashed Toney!
James tony would have beat 2 Steve Collins at the same time and couldn't land a glove on jones he beat a old Ben Eubanks and ducked the Welsh man
this is what happens when you mess up your legacy;people get funny ideas.
hey Harry if YOU check the facts you might find out that 3 tests were made and the first was positive on both fighters. the 2nd and 3rd was negative so how could he be on steroids??? fuckin haters have nothing to say against prime roy because he had no weaks so you claim was on steroids.
I know Roy Jones Jr fought Mike MacCallum as an introduction to the light heavy division. Any of these fight MacCallum at middle? Watson fought him. I can't remember any of the fighters in this thread cuing up to fight him.
Dale Cooper because McCallum was true professional who would’ve whooped a lot of these guys
Steve Collins lost by ud in his 16 pro fight.
because he keeps saying his name is roy jones doesnt mean shit. Larry trying to get the fight. he knew jones was fake
I honestly hope Roy paralyzes him this year.
So? Neither did Sugar Ray Robinson or Ray Leonard. Oh and Manny Paquiao, Floyd Mayweather.
Roy Jones fought safe fights.He used that "Mike Tyson style safety first" events.
roy jones is just an american amir khan.thats my spin on it.....only roy was protected a bit more
2:10 Steve Collins missed his opportunity ! To polite , excuse me Roy ! Steve should have just said " I fuxking knock you out " and shoved Roy ! Fans would have went crazy for the fight 🤣
I think roy jones ducked Benn too if im correct
F***k Steve Collins he wanted to fight Roy so bad he could have pulled and Antonio Tarver. Show up to a conference and call Roy out in front everyone. Roy in his prime had a great chin and too fast to catch. Collins wanted to beat Roy back then, he would have to catch him. A young Roy was to fast to catch.
Alex198395 We will never know. Roy looked great fighting the likes of Derrik Harmon, Richard Hall, Glen Kelly....none of who were anywhere near as good as Collins.
Wow. Calling Roy a coward after it was YOU who refused the fight. Collins is truly delusional. RUclips " Liles and Collins ducked Roy?" None other than Larry "Give no credit to Roy" Merchant says it on national tv " they refused to fight him" Nuff said. Collins RAN!!!!!!
Roy obvious duck. No fighter would take that abuse.
I am not a fan of Steve for always beating guys when they were last their best and also I don't like him for the madness like this when he is so deluded that he thinks Jones ran or would have lost etc, etc when the fact is that Roy back then absolutely humiliates and embarrasses Collins and its not even close
And with that statement, sir... I believe you are in swift & immediate need of a drug test as well as a breathalyzer.
Jones Jnr would have done to Collins the same what Barrera did to Hamed, Schooled him.
Jones Jr defeated McCallum and Reggie Johnson, how did Collins do against them?
@@b.x.2845 McCallum and Johnson were older then when Jones fought them. Steve fought them in there primes and he beat Johnson got the wrong deduction
But when Collins beat Eubank and Benn they were way past their best as well... and he only squeaked past Eubank.
To say Eubank was way past his best is just not true , he was a 28 years old WBO SMW Champion for 3 years and just came off 1 of his best Career wins V Wharton , Collins on the other hand was 30 , tackling the SMW Division for the first time in his life and it was his first fight in 11 Months , everything , except home advantage , was in Eubanks favor . As regards Benn , they are both the same age and I fully understand that he wasn't the same Guy that beat Mc Clellan a year earlier , but wow could he still bang , and bang he did on Collins but he could take his best shots and let's be honest here , he bullied Benn to bits , he was a different level to what Eubank and Benn were used to fighting . I totally understand why people don't like Collins , yes he wasn't flash , exciting or get the Juices flowing like Benn did but he was way better than most people give him credit for , and yes Jones ducked him , like many others.
steve collins I dont think so
nigel benn and eubank were past their prime when collins fought them and roy beat some of the best of his time. bernard hopkins, james toney, virgil hil...all better fighters than collins
Cut to ribbons ? he didnt cut very easy for one 2 if you thing a granite chin is all he brought to the table then your wrong, for one his pace 2 he would have got inside on jones theres no doubt about that,
Jones was P4p king of the american hypego threw some of his so call 1990 fights who d he beat appart from a green bhop and james toney ???
I mean of course Collins is a FUTURE Hall of Famer
Collins tried his best for to get Jones into the ring , Jones tried his best to stay out of the ring with collins , (verdict =collins would have won ,
definetly,nobody had or ever would have had an easy fight v collins.
past there best ? collins was older than eubank when he beat him lmao theres always someone with some bullshit excuse! just like jones had for collins if it was so easy why didnt he fight him ?
James Toney is embarrassing himself at this stage aswell, yeah good in his day but he's talking shite all the time now. Either Klitschko would toy with him, he only wants to fight them for the money, he knows full well he'd get the head knocked off him and if he somehow lasted the 12 he'd end up in hospital like Shannon Briggs.
No doubt Jones was the best of the best but he genuinely didn't want any of Collins....neither would I if I were him.
Boxing politics hard fight for little reward collins not big enough name in states at the time
@@jdig1984 If you are trying to say Jones was a big seller of Fights from a Fans point of view , in other words ,' Putting bums on seats ' or selling PPVs, you are completely wrong , this Guy couldn't attract flies during his so called Prime Years. You probably don't even know this but Jones biggest Attendance was his fight with Ruiz , in the Staples Center , which has a Top Capacity of just 19K. His return fight in 97 with Griffin , was attended by just less than 5K Fans , the Organiser's switched the Venue from Atlantic City , where the first fight took place and had a Top Capacity of just 14K, these figures are shocking , but let's be straight here , nobody was interested in him , these are the facts , and he sold no PPVs either. In the late 90s a Group of disgruntled US Boxing Fans called ' Roycott ' were formed , they decided they weren't going to subscribe to both Jones and HBO'S nonsense , rubbish fights by not attending or purchasing his PPVs , all true. He actually wasn't well liked , and despised by Genuine US Boxing Fans , have you ever wondered why ?
@@francishegarty8087 would you say the supermiddle weight division had tougher opposition for him had he stayed there or did he take on a tougher challenge at light heavy . I didn't realise he had such poor attendances at his fights. When you compare the massive fights Collins Benn and eubank had in the 90's . How do you think he would of fared against Collins Benn and eubank
@@jdig1984 Hi Jdig, the SMW Division in the Mid 90s was way stronger than the LHW Division Jones left, in terms of Genuine Quality Opponents. Jones got a free ride at LHW, he only became Undisputed after winning Titles that were stolen, blatantly and shockingly, and from Michalczewski and Rocchegianni, and never even fought them, for me to be Undisputed, you beat Your Fellow Strap Holders in the Ring, which he never did. When you consider this, Jones was declared LHW Champion after his very first fight V Mc Callum in late 96, Mc Callum wasn't even Champion then, he'd lost his Title to Tiozzo, so straight away, Jones was given a Free Title, which wasn't his, and against Mc Callum, who was 40, fat, slow and way past his best. If only he stayed at SMW, and fought V Collins, Benn, Eubank, Liles etc, and there was also some cracking but less heard of European Guys like Nardiello, Galvano, Wharton and others. What irks me most is how Jones gets a free ride for not fighting Fellow Strap Holders and priced himself out of fights with Liles and Collins. I'd have loved to see him fight Liles, whose style was all wrong for him, he was a tall and very classy and skilled Southpaw who beat him in the Amateurs, Jones killed this deal by demanding 85% of the Purse. I think Benn and Collins would have given him lots of problems, especially Collins, who would have taken him the distance, thanks for your comments and Questions, you know your Boxing, take care, all the best.
@@jdig1984 BTW, Eubank had a great chance of giving Jones a go but he lacked ambition, and stated that he was too scared to fight him, he also shat himself in 90 when Mc Callum challenged him, and his admission of not fighting Jones has added fuel to all of his fans, who just say there, even Eubank said he was scared. As for Collins being scared, not a chance, he'd have fought him anywhere, and would have done way better than the Pazienza, Byrd, Sosa, Hall, Frazier and Woods etc.
Roy Jones jr. Would have gotten torn apart by Joe calzaghe and Steve Collins he also did not want to fight Gerald McClellan I rest my case he fought Jones fought calzaghe in 2008 and got his ass kicked herreid him in his prime when Roy Jones jr. Joe calzaghe in 08 Joe made him look silly Stephen Collins
Steve collins ducked joe calzaghe and let Chris Eubank fight him..
i watched a documentary about it apparently steve collins knew he wouldn't win.
First off what your putting forward arent "facts" calling your opinion a "fact" doesnt mean its thru lol but for my own entertainment please by all means give us your so called "Facts" lol
Who was calzaghe at that point ? it wud have beena step backwards for collins not to mention he d have beat calzaghe, ye americans vastly overhype jones its ridiculous lol
Micky Ward is not a (future) hall of famer though, Steve Collins is.
I can't take this seriously. You should've been more public about it and not wait almost 20 years before you make a hard stance. Now he's a coward? This sounds like a desperate cry. Every fighter whoever felt he needed a fight, called his opponent out, especially a name as big as Roy Jones. You're supposed to take it to the champ, Period.
COLLINS went to ROYS HOUSE and parked outside in his car with a megaphone talkin trash nd STILL JONES wanted no part of COLLINS!
792bnz after every win for 5 years he called roy jones out lol so did benn so did ottke so did calzaghe
+MrLosguerreros wanted no part because the two fighters that destroyed Collins were in return destroyed by Roy Jones. Why would Roy even waste his time, Collins was not on Roy's radar at all. Even highlight reels suck
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but you dont hear people being deluded about collins over here trying to make him out to be some sort of superhuman like ye do with roy jones jr, if collins was so far below him why was jones so afraid to fight him ?
Wasnt jones caught for roids aswell lol ?
At the end of the day you can talk as much shit as you like collins was ready to back up what he was saying jones avoided him! even when collins followed him around the ring !
Let it go Collins Jones would have done a demolition job on you