I personally think the cons of doing a PhD outweigh the pros. Like everyone else, I thought I wanted to do a PhD as well. I'm glad I did my Master's over jumping straight into a PhD. My impression of academia has changed over time. As a Master's student, you would gain an insider's view of how academia is really like; it's not all unicorns and rainbows. It's true that people expect less from Master students, but that's no excuse for complacency. If you want to publish papers in good journals, your work has to be as good as a PhD's. You will see professors do politics, and oftentimes, it is this that gets them to where they are in academia. It's not just about being a good researcher (sometimes I wondered how some of them got their PhDs in the first place). I saw a lot of my PhD friends succumbed to mental illnesses, especially depression and chronic anxiety. The environment is plain toxic, the exploitation of students and adjuncts is real. The chances of you landing a job as a postdoc is very low because the competition is high (too many PhD graduates and limited fundings), and even lower as an entry-level lecturer because openings are only available when some old professor retires or the university opens a new department (which is a rare occurrence anyways). If you decide to join the industry after earning your PhD with zero working experience, employers will most likely think you are overqualified and will pay you lower than what you'd expect as a PhD holder. I would caution everyone to think really hard (do mental acrobatics or whatever) about doing a PhD, it is very psychologically costly if you end up working in toxic environments. If you must, make sure you are bonded to a university or any entity in the industry via scholarships to ensure immediate job placements. You are intelligent, and you don't need a PhD to prove that.
well, i needed that. Stress is major for me at masters level (2 1/2 year master). It is killing me, and made me sick. But the thing is I am crazily passionate about a specific area. I said to myself that If I am gonna apply then It will have to be something i will trully enjoy.
I think it depends on your specialty and degree of choice. People need to stop snowflaking onto that truth. For instance, a Phd in bio-engineering or Data Science and Artificial Intelligence is useful and will get you more leading opportunities than a Bsc. A PhD in lecture or history is really saturated for jobs opportunities.
Ironic, everyone always says how lonely it is but my supervisor is always making the PhDs under her supervision collaborate in one way or another and I HATE it. Honestly after my funding runs out I'm done. Glad you girls enjoyed your experience though.
I lovveee how you two talked about "Not having a life" but with a smile on your face!! I love it. Sacrifices are made for school! You do what you will for what you love.
This was more like pros and cons of PhD. The best way to decide if you should do it or not, is to do a masters. Then you will know if PhD is something you want to deal with. Masters is almost the same as a PhD, except shorter and expectations are slightly less, so is the importance and your value. But the experience tells you a lot, and you will deal with all the cons mentioned in the video. You will also learn how to chose a supervisor, and have an insider view of academia before embarking on 4-6 years of the same work - PhD. There are pros but a lot of it actually depends on the supervisor. Some supervisors are like 9-5 working hours is minimum and then some. They give you no flexibility. They even get disappointed in you when you ask for vacation time that is allocated by the university. I had to deal with 2 weeks of tooth infection and couldn't see a dentist because of the amount of work I was doing even after I was done submitting my thesis. Travelling the world: Also depends on the line of work and supervisor, sometimes you will just travel once a year or two, and all you will do is attend a conference; typically there is not much time to actually 'travel'. Salary? Not always that good, at least in Canada. In my department minimum salary a supervisor could get away with paying is $20,000 to PhD students. And from that salary you pay your tuition. If you are an international student then you will pay a hefty amount of tuition and have nothing left for living cost! For A LOT of cases in academia, supervisors don't have enough industry connections, or even if they do, they don't encourage an industry career for you or think about your benefits from an industrial connection. You are on your own. Some supervisors discourage you being a TA, or joining societies, they just want you to be their worker. The worst one: I have seen some people finish PhD in 6 years, while in Europe it take 3 years, which is the same amount of time it takes people to do a masters in Canada (2-3 years). Ridiculous! What is the difference then between someone doing a masters in Canada and someone doing a PhD in Europe? Summary, the key to a good life while doing a PhD or MSc is to choose your supervisor wisely and be clear about the expectations a supervisor has from you and the expectations you have from your education. @Amina, if you have some ideas about and could make some videos about how to choose a good supervisor that would be awesome. I don't know exactly if it is valid in the UK, but at least in Canada and in my experience this can be a make or break deal.
I loved this video. I can relate my PhD experience to most of the things you have said ;). But the tax-free salary depends on the country, here in Austria for instance it is not like that ;) Nevertheless thank you very much for reminding me of the great things a PhD has. I am slowly approaching the end of mine I can definitely use some motivation and PhD positivity :D
This video is so motivating. I am in a stage of life where I am confused to do PhD or not. Main reason is many of seniors have mentioned cons more than pros and that is not helpful
Very true! I was in a PhD program for Biochemistry and it was like I was living in the lab. I fell out of love with the “scientist life” and decided to wrap things up after my thesis and chose a different path.
That's the biggest con, I think. You're an expert on such a small, specific topic which nobody but you will ever be genuinely interested in. You spend up until your late 20s in education and leave the university bubble at an older age with minimum professional experience.
It is scary. Preparing for GRE. Right now a full time stay at home home. Took a career break and now thinking to go for PhD as corporate is not my cup of tea anymore.
Your PhD views was just limited based on your experiences as a Biochemist alone. Some of your negative views don't apply to some PhDs while some positives don't apply to some PhDs aswell. Nice vlog but limited 😃
Had a PhD in Literature from France. I completely agree with your cons but not all pros. Unfortunately we don't travel for free in France and most of the time no salary for Literature. We are the poor parent from Research. But still a really interesting video especially to know another system. Thanks Amina.
Yes, I am doing a PhD in France and I have no salary for it so I work at the same time which increases the stress I find. I will get free travel within the Region though, when I will get my student card for this year. I do like research though.
Thank you guys so much for sharing your experiences and giving so much encouragement. I definitely need help with my PhD applications, and I have a few questions about international students interested in applying to UCL--> are international students paid and given the same opportunities/benefits as a UK student?
Yes 100%. My friend in the lab was from Iran and she was able to travel everywhere like us. The only difference was that sshe had to think about visa applications and sort that out, whereas we didn't!
Alsalamu Alakuim. I want to get my PHD. I have to get one to write papers and publish books. I want to be a Scholar. I am going for Asian and European Studies and to teach English as a Second Language. 17th century to modern day History and politics. Yes I will get to travel to Asia or Europe a lot for free. I am almost done with my bachelor's and trying to go straight to PHD but my backup plan is if I don't get accepted into any PHD program. I will do master's.
Are students treated poorly because they are often paid by institutions? I can’t see why a learning investment opportunity needs to be so stressful beyond the work and effort necessary
I just applied for a PhD 🤦♂️🤦♂️. My research area is logistics and supply chain (vehicle Route problem. ) I'm an introvert and workaholic, what do i do?
@Aryan Azeem thanks. I have started with my PhD. But thank God I have become much more open now. And my research area has been coined a bit to make it more flexible. 😃😃
I thought that all PhD students would have to do a bit of TA without earning any extra money. So you get paid extra each time you give a lecture for example?
In the UK, teaching is not an integral part of the programme. If a PhD student does decide to TA, there is a decent hourly wage on top of the PhD stipend.
@@DrAminaYonis that sounds really interesting! I didn't know that. I even thought that PhD students were actually taken advantage of and made "work for free".
Also my mom is a cancer patient and I can’t stay in london the whole time will they let me in ucl to leave and come back when the supervisor needs me ??? I really hope you can see my questions
Personally (from a muslimah perspective), I think a PhD is only worth it if it allows you to access jobs that can be of real benefit to the community. So for instance (hypothetically), I would start a PhD with a sincere intention to Allah that I want to help my community and the people at large later on, so that I can use this PhD inshaAllah as an asset for my dunya and akhira. And also, during the difficulties of the PhD, I would remember this intention and it would make it easier for me. Otherwise, I would not have the energy/motivation to go through it.
ok here is a reality check for O-A levels students. Listen here, Having a Degree/Master/PhD doesn't guarantees you a good life. Have friends who are O level leavers earning up 80k a year. Most of them works at offshore rigs. Having 3 months off annually with full salary paid. Having precious time to spend with their family. Having 2 mansions and own a number of properties. And at my past workplace we have colleagues with a PhD qualification earning about 38k/year, working more than 8 hours a day, sometimes during the weekend as well , getting scolded from the executives, a maximum vacation for only two weeks in a year (with the executives pestering them even during their holidays).Oh yes and m only a diploma holder (which is why my English sucks) who is self employed full time trading stocks and currencies as we speak earning about $400 - $5K a day. Make your choice.
@Shamar Noble creepy? what the hell does that mean nor do i care what your opinion is. Sad? i am rather happy. I have a PhD lol and i have a fiance now too lol so i don't even need this. Also this was ended with a lol, hence it's partially a joke. Third you're an idiot cartoon lol. Your IQ must be seriously low, words like creepy or sad are what children use when they can't formulate an actual argument to which an offence has been committed. Your emotions are irrelevant to me nor are you the parties which whom i suggested should hit me up. If you did hit me up considering you sound like a child or a rather intellectually feeble adult i would not take your advances even if i didn't have a fiance lol. If you are male even worse so. Finally whether it be you tube comment section Facebook message a park or anywhere, it is irrelevant whereby a person chose to make a movement on another persons romantic advancement. This type of logic you proposed is again low level. I can even make a move while taking a shit in the toilet if it's a shared facility toilet mixed gendered ones in a different cubicle. Yes i specifically chose a rather "strange" sounding scenario to express the abstract. As long as there is no foul play any thing is not only possible but is fine. Damn finding low IQ people on you tube comment section is another hobby of mine or i could perhaps be wrong and you are just a troll in which case i say good for you, ;)x
@Shamar Noble I am not part of any internet memes. My IQ is 143 which makes me a genius by some standards. I have 3 published scientific papers and I have a PhD in quantum physics. I doubt you do. I doubt you do on basis that you used the term creepy and sad. This of course does not preclude your intellect but if you actually "believe" those terms are relevant then yes you're low IQ. If it's just a shaming attempt then you're just a troll which is fine. I am one too. There are of course other infinite deviations but one can't make an argument considering everything and yes formal education doesn't mean much nor do I consider it meaningful interpretation of intelligence. I do however respect IQ. So if your IQ is more than 105 then you're not an idiot. Well done. You're just an average sheep. These two females probably have an IQ 125 as that's the average for PhD. Yours as a cartoon I can only imagine
@Shamar Noble oh because i am an ENTP, if you read about that personality profile we are although intellectuals chaos driven. By throwing seeds in all directions sometimes unexpected yet favorable growths occur. I wa specifically looking for a wife so i can have smart children hence why i even considered these two and specifically from conservative cultures, i found an Ethiopian girl with an engineering degree so she's lovely. 130 Is definitely high lol like top 2%
I personally think the cons of doing a PhD outweigh the pros. Like everyone else, I thought I wanted to do a PhD as well. I'm glad I did my Master's over jumping straight into a PhD. My impression of academia has changed over time. As a Master's student, you would gain an insider's view of how academia is really like; it's not all unicorns and rainbows. It's true that people expect less from Master students, but that's no excuse for complacency. If you want to publish papers in good journals, your work has to be as good as a PhD's. You will see professors do politics, and oftentimes, it is this that gets them to where they are in academia. It's not just about being a good researcher (sometimes I wondered how some of them got their PhDs in the first place). I saw a lot of my PhD friends succumbed to mental illnesses, especially depression and chronic anxiety. The environment is plain toxic, the exploitation of students and adjuncts is real. The chances of you landing a job as a postdoc is very low because the competition is high (too many PhD graduates and limited fundings), and even lower as an entry-level lecturer because openings are only available when some old professor retires or the university opens a new department (which is a rare occurrence anyways). If you decide to join the industry after earning your PhD with zero working experience, employers will most likely think you are overqualified and will pay you lower than what you'd expect as a PhD holder. I would caution everyone to think really hard (do mental acrobatics or whatever) about doing a PhD, it is very psychologically costly if you end up working in toxic environments. If you must, make sure you are bonded to a university or any entity in the industry via scholarships to ensure immediate job placements. You are intelligent, and you don't need a PhD to prove that.
well, i needed that. Stress is major for me at masters level (2 1/2 year master). It is killing me, and made me sick. But the thing is I am crazily passionate about a specific area. I said to myself that If I am gonna apply then It will have to be something i will trully enjoy.
some people can't hack life that's you
Unfortunately nowadays you need to prove that your a Genius through a qualification
@@alhamdallah942 no. In fact people who have invented and created amazing technology don’t have any PhD or even a Masters...
Totally agreed. I also wonder how some people have their PhDs and are teaching...they can be really bad professors!
What am I even doing here? I didnt even complete my Alevels yet.
Literally the same here
mood
Glad to see two Black Muslim young women who are successful. You are breaking stereotypes.
I think it depends on your specialty and degree of choice. People need to stop snowflaking onto that truth. For instance, a Phd in bio-engineering or Data Science and Artificial Intelligence is useful and will get you more leading opportunities than a Bsc. A PhD in lecture or history is really saturated for jobs opportunities.
i am afraid the cons massively outweigh the pros speaking from a current PhD student in his final 6 months.
Well done both..you should be proud of what you have accomplished. Bless you all
I'll start my Phd soon, I am really excited and scared at the same time
I'm at the stage of interviewing and it makes me really scared and excited as well 😅
Omg girl do a favor to yourself, DONT
Ironic, everyone always says how lonely it is but my supervisor is always making the PhDs under her supervision collaborate in one way or another and I HATE it. Honestly after my funding runs out I'm done. Glad you girls enjoyed your experience though.
Thanks so much. Have enjoyed many of your videos, Amina, during my MSc, and now that I am considering a PhD, this is perfect.
I lovveee how you two talked about "Not having a life" but with a smile on your face!! I love it. Sacrifices are made for school! You do what you will for what you love.
This was more like pros and cons of PhD. The best way to decide if you should do it or not, is to do a masters. Then you will know if PhD is something you want to deal with. Masters is almost the same as a PhD, except shorter and expectations are slightly less, so is the importance and your value. But the experience tells you a lot, and you will deal with all the cons mentioned in the video. You will also learn how to chose a supervisor, and have an insider view of academia before embarking on 4-6 years of the same work - PhD. There are pros but a lot of it actually depends on the supervisor. Some supervisors are like 9-5 working hours is minimum and then some. They give you no flexibility. They even get disappointed in you when you ask for vacation time that is allocated by the university. I had to deal with 2 weeks of tooth infection and couldn't see a dentist because of the amount of work I was doing even after I was done submitting my thesis. Travelling the world: Also depends on the line of work and supervisor, sometimes you will just travel once a year or two, and all you will do is attend a conference; typically there is not much time to actually 'travel'. Salary? Not always that good, at least in Canada. In my department minimum salary a supervisor could get away with paying is $20,000 to PhD students. And from that salary you pay your tuition. If you are an international student then you will pay a hefty amount of tuition and have nothing left for living cost! For A LOT of cases in academia, supervisors don't have enough industry connections, or even if they do, they don't encourage an industry career for you or think about your benefits from an industrial connection. You are on your own. Some supervisors discourage you being a TA, or joining societies, they just want you to be their worker. The worst one: I have seen some people finish PhD in 6 years, while in Europe it take 3 years, which is the same amount of time it takes people to do a masters in Canada (2-3 years). Ridiculous! What is the difference then between someone doing a masters in Canada and someone doing a PhD in Europe? Summary, the key to a good life while doing a PhD or MSc is to choose your supervisor wisely and be clear about the expectations a supervisor has from you and the expectations you have from your education. @Amina, if you have some ideas about and could make some videos about how to choose a good supervisor that would be awesome. I don't know exactly if it is valid in the UK, but at least in Canada and in my experience this can be a make or break deal.
Yes, that sounds like a good video idea - will think about how best to produce it! Seems like the States and UK have very different PhD experiences!
I loved this video. I can relate my PhD experience to most of the things you have said ;). But the tax-free salary depends on the country, here in Austria for instance it is not like that ;) Nevertheless thank you very much for reminding me of the great things a PhD has. I am slowly approaching the end of mine I can definitely use some motivation and PhD positivity :D
Okay, that's interesting to learn! We are still seen as students here which is cool! Good luck for defence :)
This video is so motivating.
I am in a stage of life where I am confused to do PhD or not.
Main reason is many of seniors have mentioned cons more than pros and that is not helpful
loved the positive spin-off :)
That's your experience in UK, in Nigeria it is not like that, you have to pay for everything.
As a medical student I relate to a lot of these.
But all depends on supervisor most of the time supervisor are bullies and idiots
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I agree with you.
Very true! I was in a PhD program for Biochemistry and it was like I was living in the lab. I fell out of love with the “scientist life” and decided to wrap things up after my thesis and chose a different path.
Thank you Dr. Amina for your strong motivation.
That's the biggest con, I think. You're an expert on such a small, specific topic which nobody but you will ever be genuinely interested in. You spend up until your late 20s in education and leave the university bubble at an older age with minimum professional experience.
i can relate to this in so many levels i needed this talk you can't imagine thank you for lifting me up
Best of luck!
You guys are both so beautiful mashallah 😻 thank you for the video... still first year in my Bach but love the inspo ☺️
Thank you! Best of luck :)
It is scary. Preparing for GRE. Right now a full time stay at home home. Took a career break and now thinking to go for PhD as corporate is not my cup of tea anymore.
I love the 10 reasons why you should do a PhD 👍🏻
in India you don't get paid for travelling or conference in PhD .it is tough.
Your PhD views was just limited based on your experiences as a Biochemist alone. Some of your negative views don't apply to some PhDs while some positives don't apply to some PhDs aswell. Nice vlog but limited 😃
I love you hyped up people to do phd !!
Wow so joyful I have finished my PhD in Military History last year, what a long journey.
Had a PhD in Literature from France. I completely agree with your cons but not all pros. Unfortunately we don't travel for free in France and most of the time no salary for Literature. We are the poor parent from Research. But still a really interesting video especially to know another system. Thanks Amina.
Wow! I did not realise the the rest of Europe had different standards of PhD travel. Hope that changes!
Yes, I am doing a PhD in France and I have no salary for it so I work at the same time which increases the stress I find. I will get free travel within the Region though, when I will get my student card for this year. I do like research though.
I liked the positive reasons you gave about why you should a phd.
Thank you guys so much for sharing your experiences and giving so much encouragement. I definitely need help with my PhD applications, and I have a few questions about international students interested in applying to UCL--> are international students paid and given the same opportunities/benefits as a UK student?
Yes 100%. My friend in the lab was from Iran and she was able to travel everywhere like us. The only difference was that sshe had to think about visa applications and sort that out, whereas we didn't!
I'm not even going to specialize in science but this seems dope!!
I will do it, it's my dream insha allah
Alsalamu Alakuim. I want to get my PHD. I have to get one to write papers and publish books. I want to be a Scholar. I am going for Asian and European Studies and to teach English as a Second Language. 17th century to modern day History and politics. Yes I will get to travel to Asia or Europe a lot for free. I am almost done with my bachelor's and trying to go straight to PHD but my backup plan is if I don't get accepted into any PHD program. I will do master's.
Oh my..Blessings to both of you!Thank you for this video!! I am so motivated to get this phd in CompSci !😻
Good luck!
I dont know why you make comparisons between doing a degree and having a job, they are two different things
Tara Clerkin at this age you need this comparison
LUCKY! I think my salary is taxed so.... I'm moving to the UK. 👌👌👌
Haha come!
Ma shaa ALLAH, super ladies!
Are students treated poorly because they are often paid by institutions?
I can’t see why a learning investment opportunity needs to be so stressful beyond the work and effort necessary
Did both of you decide to pursue a job outside of academia after you attained you PhD?
Not all PhDs programs pay you trips. You are generalizing.
Well done, that is why many bus drivers hold a PhD degree.
Some of these cons are pros for me 😂, but I'm pretty introverted and a workaholic.
because you will be underpaid. Probably a business man will earn more money.
Im an introvert and also very lazy
I just applied for a PhD 🤦♂️🤦♂️. My research area is logistics and supply chain (vehicle Route problem. )
I'm an introvert and workaholic, what do i do?
@Aryan Azeem thanks. I have started with my PhD. But thank God I have become much more open now. And my research area has been coined a bit to make it more flexible. 😃😃
I love your name haha
I thought that all PhD students would have to do a bit of TA without earning any extra money. So you get paid extra each time you give a lecture for example?
In the UK, teaching is not an integral part of the programme. If a PhD student does decide to TA, there is a decent hourly wage on top of the PhD stipend.
@@DrAminaYonis that sounds really interesting! I didn't know that. I even thought that PhD students were actually taken advantage of and made "work for free".
Love the video thank you so much but wanted to ask you what do you think about the mphil/phd research program is it hard?
Also my mom is a cancer patient and I can’t stay in london the whole time will they let me in ucl to leave and come back when the supervisor needs me ??? I really hope you can see my questions
I recommend the MPhil/PhD programme as you get to try out a few labs first before deciding on which lab to stay in!
Like seriously, broke 💔😒. Thank you for sharing
Wow sounds like a struggle.
A struggle that's worth it!
Thank you for this! I am more than excited for a PhD right now.. Thank you thank you
I jusy love your energy
Dr Amina videoga waxa ku qoran markan arkay waan naxay maxaa yelay sanadkan ayaan bilaabi rabaa PHD. Lkn wan ku adkeystay inaan dawado Alhamdulilah cawinad fcn ayaan ka helay. Mahadsanidiin adika iyo sxbtaada
Hello,please can you tell me what is PhD? I mean the meaning.i like your channel so much.
It's a postgraduate doctoral degree.
Doctor of Philosophy in any field.
Mashallah very informative
sweet guys, i am thinking to give up my Phd
What can you advice students in harar ethiopia?
I'll go for PHD in theology is easy one
Now I'm more excited for PhD ...
Dear PhD I'm more tough
Nobody does a PHD for the money. That is silly.
Great
Its 100℅ true
Personally (from a muslimah perspective), I think a PhD is only worth it if it allows you to access jobs that can be of real benefit to the community. So for instance (hypothetically), I would start a PhD with a sincere intention to Allah that I want to help my community and the people at large later on, so that I can use this PhD inshaAllah as an asset for my dunya and akhira. And also, during the difficulties of the PhD, I would remember this intention and it would make it easier for me. Otherwise, I would not have the energy/motivation to go through it.
This vidio made me change my mind!!!😂😂😂
Yeah, interesting...like from me👏👍
sure are you holder of PhD.?
yeshiwas walle why??
Is that a humans name?
3:14 i dide
No one will ever understand your project... is it really a pro? 😂
ok here is a reality check for O-A levels students. Listen here, Having a Degree/Master/PhD doesn't guarantees you a good life. Have friends who are O level leavers earning up 80k a year. Most of them works at offshore rigs. Having 3 months off annually with full salary paid. Having precious time to spend with their family. Having 2 mansions and own a number of properties. And at my past workplace we have colleagues with a PhD qualification earning about 38k/year, working more than 8 hours a day, sometimes during the weekend as well , getting scolded from the executives, a maximum vacation for only two weeks in a year (with the executives pestering them even during their holidays).Oh yes and m only a diploma holder (which is why my English sucks) who is self employed full time trading stocks and currencies as we speak earning about $400 - $5K a day. Make your choice.
Sad how no one asked about your trading. That is something you were aiming for right?
@@Mustafa2892 ? huh? m just stating the facts. not aiming for popularity.
@@malmsteen2002 lol it's so insecure to tell people how much money you make
Why are both talking together... I can barely understand what is being said
Boo hoo
oh
i am looking for a wife. Both of you are intelligent and beatiful. If you are also kind then hit me up lol
@Shamar Noble i wasn't talking to you cartoon
@Shamar Noble creepy? what the hell does that mean nor do i care what your opinion is. Sad? i am rather happy. I have a PhD lol and i have a fiance now too lol so i don't even need this. Also this was ended with a lol, hence it's partially a joke. Third you're an idiot cartoon lol. Your IQ must be seriously low, words like creepy or sad are what children use when they can't formulate an actual argument to which an offence has been committed. Your emotions are irrelevant to me nor are you the parties which whom i suggested should hit me up. If you did hit me up considering you sound like a child or a rather intellectually feeble adult i would not take your advances even if i didn't have a fiance lol. If you are male even worse so. Finally whether it be you tube comment section Facebook message a park or anywhere, it is irrelevant whereby a person chose to make a movement on another persons romantic advancement. This type of logic you proposed is again low level. I can even make a move while taking a shit in the toilet if it's a shared facility toilet mixed gendered ones in a different cubicle. Yes i specifically chose a rather "strange" sounding scenario to express the abstract. As long as there is no foul play any thing is not only possible but is fine. Damn finding low IQ people on you tube comment section is another hobby of mine or i could perhaps be wrong and you are just a troll in which case i say good for you, ;)x
@Shamar Noble I am not part of any internet memes. My IQ is 143 which makes me a genius by some standards. I have 3 published scientific papers and I have a PhD in quantum physics. I doubt you do. I doubt you do on basis that you used the term creepy and sad. This of course does not preclude your intellect but if you actually "believe" those terms are relevant then yes you're low IQ. If it's just a shaming attempt then you're just a troll which is fine. I am one too. There are of course other infinite deviations but one can't make an argument considering everything and yes formal education doesn't mean much nor do I consider it meaningful interpretation of intelligence. I do however respect IQ. So if your IQ is more than 105 then you're not an idiot. Well done. You're just an average sheep. These two females probably have an IQ 125 as that's the average for PhD. Yours as a cartoon I can only imagine
@Shamar Noble oh because i am an ENTP, if you read about that personality profile we are although intellectuals chaos driven. By throwing seeds in all directions sometimes unexpected yet favorable growths occur. I wa specifically looking for a wife so i can have smart children hence why i even considered these two and specifically from conservative cultures, i found an Ethiopian girl with an engineering degree so she's lovely. 130 Is definitely high lol like top 2%
in India you don't get paid for travelling or conference in PhD .it is tough.
Is it so...is there no allowance