At 2:02 I forgot what the show was called when I recorded. I just remembered. It was Fight Quest. Their episode on Krav Maga was great. Definitely try to find that on Discovery Channel if possible. 2:42 That guy I know who got KOed during a pool game, he was a friend of my lawyer friend. It wasn’t a pool stick that got him, but a punch. And it was a sucker-punch too. This friend of friend flew across the room. 7:03 Elaborating on more details. This “friend” would always test bouncers. If there was a cover, he would try to sneak into a bar. He also would just antagonize people and lie to people for fun. It really was annoying because I met this really cute artsy lady at one of the bars, and she even mentioned that she got a bad vibe from my “friend.” I also just talked to another friend who was also a coworker, but he didn’t really remember this guy. I’ll talk to other former coworkers to see if anyone else ever hung out with this dude. Craig and Jeff Phillips saw this video already, so make sure to catch them in the comments! As I think of more details, I will add here. This video is generating so many more thoughts! Everyone involved is linked in the end cards and video description. I will add more details as I think of more things.
I loved that show as a kid. I think your story kind of expands upon a sort of "meta" aspect of self-defense, namely, are you putting yourself in situations that are likely to need self-defense. Are you hanging around people that are volatile or like to stir things up. Are you going to low-rent clubs and bars a lot. Are you drinking a lot yourself. It's not that you could never just be attacked randomly, but it's pretty rare in most major nations. Being a straight edge wildly diminishes a lot of the situations in which you'd even need self-defense.
There was a guy about to go drunk driving outside of a bar and his girlfriend was fighting with him over it. My brother-in-law tried to calmly reason with him and the drunk guy threatened to attack him. I jumped in and yelled at him the way I had to yell when I was in the US Army and it scared him bad enough to where he got in the passenger seat. Yelling at someone in the right way can be self defense.
As someone that has been in street fights and bar fights. You never ever take anyone to the ground unless its a one on one situation or you and friend against one person. In bar fights you need to practice fighting on a wet floor and against glassing.
The style rarely matters for these situations. Situational awareness and distancing are the only things you need to master. All the striking and wrestling is secondary.
I saw this but no notes for Craig. He did what I teach my cousins to do and has worked for them - Bar-Fu. Never take a drink from anyone but the wait staff and if possible only if you see them make it up. And if you leave one on the table - it is stale get a new one. On the sofa, It makes sense to stand up if you think a fight will happen if you do and it could be seen as a sign to start fighting. So he did not be right think lean back if you can get out of arm range. So Instead he leans back. Notice that the first punch did not connect and the second barely did. So he ate one and then was able to engage. And when he was standing he did see the “friend” had engaged and the moment he thought the other person was free turned to engage. Also, Avoid wrestling is important. But side steps and redirects are golden. And we see that a couple of times.
A LOT of martial artists learn Martial arts precisely because they Don't know how to fight, turn on aggression, and have no situational awareness. Learning the movement patterns doesn't always improve this.
When I was tackled to the ground 20 years ago by an unhinged dude yelling about religion who outweighed me by about 50 lbs, I kimura'ed the hell out of his shoulder until the cops picked him up. When asked how he got so hurt, I just said we fell 😂. I don't know how all of you are getting into fights with multiple people at once but jiu jitsu worked for me.
@@badart3204 a Guy never will attack you or me in 1 X 1 average people alone are coward normally Average People Create courage in Group, Only fighters have balls to fight in 1 X 1.
Once my brother took someone in a forward headlock to calm the guy down and sat with the guy between his legs, completely stuck. At the same time he instructed me to hold bystanders (friends from the attacker) who wanted to get involved. I am an aikidoka so tried to deescalate the situation and the persons who got closer got thrown or pushed away. After some talking and holding down the guy the situation was solved. The guy was super tired and my brother bought him a beer (fyi he was a rugbyplayer at the time 😅). Morale of the story, hang out with the people you trust the most!
@@FightCommentary Its probably a bit looser on provocation down under, than say in North America. Of course, lawyers can spin anything one way or the other.
@@FightCommentary We dont have mutual combat laws officially. but fights happen so often that police wont even bother writing it up and will instead just stop it.
I think Jeff and Jordon were on opposite extremes of the self-defense spectrum. Jeff tried to eliminate the threats as quickly as possible while Jordan tried to subdue and control and not use force until help eventually arrives (which might never happen). Jeff (aside from going to ground) would've had no issue with the threats but would've had issues with the law afterwards, whereas Jordan would've had no issue with the law, but might have gotten too hurt for that to even matter.
At around 0:47, with what Jeff Chan said about wanting to make it entertaining, this day and age, you never know. That sounds valid with these weirdo Tik Tok content creators or Kick streamers. 😅
I've been attacked in the street yes, and sometimes I've not de escalated the situation, but I haven't been hurt or gone to jail, bc it was minor fights.
Thanks for highlighting this. I loved season 1 and am enjoying season 2. I particularly appreciated your comments about how to select lifelong friends and companions. Great advice buddy.
Its got to feel great to have put in the work with your teeth and to come out on the other side with perfect looking teeth that are actually yours and not FAKE!
I enjoy the show. Like any rules based event, the winner will probably reflect the person who best played the rules. And like everything martial arts, folks will cherry pick events to confirm their own biases.
I was on my first date with my future girlfriend. After a J-Rock concert, we took a walk through the Montmartre district under the lights of Paris at night. Once we sat down together on a bench, a man came over wanting to talk to us, accompanied by a friend of him who stayed in the background. He was nice at first but started becoming increasingly inappropriate (he asked us for a threesome etc). I firmly told him to leave, as we wanted to be alone. Within two seconds, he sat down next to my girlfriend and put his hand on her bare thigh (she was dressed in a Japanese schoolgirl outfit). I immediately jumped up, he stood up right after. He attacked first with a cross or a one-hand push, I’m not sure. At the time, I was very into BJJ, so out of reflex, I attempted a flying armbar xD. That jerk went down like a ton of bricks just from my momentum. Since I still had the position, I finished the armbar on the ground. Then we ran off, looking for the larger crowded streets of the city. His friend never got involved. I was rooting for Jordan but he want to use BJJ only too bad. I think Levy got this. He has the combat sport experience and Israel warfare mindset/paranoia. The Aussie common sense is 👌👌
True, keep it indie! My predition on who will win, watching the show, knowing how Jeff Chan with his vast combat sports experience helped him win. I would think Natan Levy would likely be walking away winning this. And, after seeing Jeff Chan doing stupid things like throwing the first strikes in two alteractions and Jordan not wanting to strike, and on top of that seeing Natan Levy trying psychological tricks to get in the others heads. It's not even going to be a competition for him.
In a bar fight you mostly end stabbed, with a serious concussion, knocked out cold... There makes no much difference if you are a regular person or a fighter.
the problem with grappling if it's just 1 vs 1 (especially submission grappling) is that if you choose to do it, and are even successful in defending yourself with it, now you have to commit to your grappling and are stuck in that situation and position until someone can help you call the police since you can't run away (especially in a RNC which is what you'll see most of the times on youtube of a 'successful grappling defend on tha streetz'). if you choke him out and don't cause him any harm you can still get charged for that since the attacker was still in a position where the force wasn't needed any further than just restraint and couldn't even defend themselves (even though you are the defender). it's better to stay mobile so you can run.
Watched a very awkward 2v1 scrap. One guy really wanted to try a leg kick but kept accidentally hitting his own mate in the thigh. Twice. The fight was so funny to watch that I decided to just... Barrel roll between them for the fun of it. It concluded with surprisingly no major injuries. Not even a bruise. It felt like a play fight even when their intent was to hurt. Very anticlimactic. I don't remember who was in the wrong, but aye, most memorable moments in my life
I was at a party when i was 21 and only knew one person there. At some point the guy that owned the apartment got so drunk he forgot that i had been there the whole time, and walked over to me with a large kitchen knife. I have high functioning autism and was also drunk so I literally thought this guy was trying to show me his cool knife. I said "Whoa is that one of those that can cut a can in half?" not registering the threat at all, and brought the guy some beer cans to demo the knife for me. My friend clocked the situation and got me out of there shortly after.
The Aussie guy knew what kind of pub he was in when he was given his drink in a plastic cup… where they got the glass bottle from is anyones guess, I guess they snuck that into the pub so they could smash it over someones head.
I'd honestly love to see a woman in this. Yeah, she'd obviously be at a physical disadvantage but I think in the department of situational awareness women are usually better than most men. For example I don't think that a woman with half a brain for self defense would've picked up the spiked drink. Would also be interesting to see if there's any way she'd see to try and make up for the physical aspect.
As a female martial artist, honestly, the minute trouble happened, I would have felt uncomfortable and walked out straight away. I would be wary, but would definitely deescalate as much as possible, and I tend to be quite good at doing so. However, if attacked, I would create distance with perhaps a few strikes or a teep, then grab for an item nearby, preferably something big to keep the attacker away, and also to shield myself with, like a chair, while also yelling for help to alert bouncers, as well as make clear to witnesses that I am the victim, which will help in court. And then I would run away as soon as I can.
@@starmochi9692 I'm a pretty short and rather thin woman myself and I've been doing a combination of Judo, Kickboxing and Krav Maga (started with Judo in 2nd grade). I always said as a joke that I do martial arts because I suck at running. Definetely noticed that since I am doing martial arts (or maybe I am just paranoid lol) I got a certain sense for potential dangerous situations, even before things go south. As soon as I sense something off, I either remove myself from the situation or if I can't, I look for ways to protect myself (e.g. standing in a way that I can't suddenly be attacked from behind or looking for possible improvised weapons/an escape/...). I agree on you in most things, except the grabbing a chair or something. I'd probably throw something like a glass or bottle. Most chairs I know I can't swing hard or fast enough, especially I don't want to risk my opponent grabbing it and using it against me as realistically, most male attackers would be stronger than me. That being said I'd do everything I need to do in order to protect myself. Whatever legal trouble that may entail is 100% future me's problem. However here my physical disadvantage would probably do me a solid as no law inforcement person in their right mind could ever look at me and be like "jep, that's what an agressor looks like".
i was very impressed by craig but its been made clear that normal guy is not an apt descriptor, not only does he train combative with the show host but he also learned boxing in prison and fought in bareknuckle rings there
Club altercation; I was taking a fellow martial arts practioner to the club for his 21st bday. I was maybe late 30s, well into my prime. It was at Gotham at 3rd street promenade. Not sure if it's there anymore. Anyways I was having fun dancing by myself because a few girls rejected me. And when they saw me dance, they started to do the Roxbury move trying to slide next to me. And I said oh he'll no, go dance with someone who cares lol. Later my shy friend who was 6'3, 210 muscular built joined me with a few "nice" girls but I didn't realize he was already 4 drinks in. Well he was getting alittle too touchy feely with one of the girls and it wasnt appreciated so she told her male cousins what he did. In his drunken stupor, when confronted by 3 guys about the incident, he decided to test his new found martial arts on these guys 🤦🏼. Needless to say, when I was trying help him off the ground, one of the guys tried to sucker punch me. He missed and I just gave him a throat jab with a Phoenix fist, just to stop him from trying again and I said, 'I don't want any trouble just here to pick up my friend and leave". By that time bouncers had already came. I was certain they probably would have continued pummeling my friend at a normal house party😅. Luckily the bouncers helped us out and away from the guys that multiplied by 3 by the time we left. It was like Rush Hour 2, I think, when Carter was harassing the triad leader and his whole entourage stood up behind him lol! Lesson learned. ✌️
@@FightCommentary he apologized but it was already done. After leaving, I pinned him against the wall and told him I didn't want to go to jail tonight. Because he insisted on going back🤦🏼. His dad decided to send him to the military to gain some integrity and discipline. But unfortunately he was dishonorabley discharged about a year in, according to his dad. I'm guessing it had something to do with his uncontrolled drinking. Troubled kid. Fixable sure. He just needs to grow up, in maturity.
There was this one time me and my friend were walking around our neighbourhood and we saw a couple of middle schoolers fightings and around them were a bunch of their friends and stupidly i antagonised one of them from afar and than they started following us and one of them even threw a big rock at me and the thing that saved me was actually capoeira, i did capoeira at the time and i used one of the dodges and the rock just passed me and after that i was like two seconds from starting to fight but in the end i just threatened to call the police and they ran away
Jeff Chan is my routing guy LOL he went fucking cobra kai and struck first. He is awesome Natan Is also a favorite of mine since he took off the gloves from round 1 you can see him FUCKING and absolutely Destroying people here hahaha JeffChan: Self defense? I heard Self Offense
I think you learn how to adapt to these situations best through experience, not studying martial arts. Personally, I'm mixed race. I've learned to be cautious when I go out with Black or White friends because the social rules are completely different for me. I had a hard time avoiding a lot of bad situations hanging out with White and Black friends because they tend to think nothing will happen. I would pick up on the social ques that people didn't want me around because I look different. My White and Black friends would be like, "Ah, come on. Nothing is going to happen." It would ALWAYS happen the way I said it would happen. I learned the best way to deal with oblivious people is to just leave the situation and leave them in it if need be. Now I have strict social rules I follow when I'm around Black and White people. One of my rules is NEVER sit next to a woman you don't know! I wouldn't have sat next to her..
Very interesting! It’s so interesting how if we’re not looking like people around us, we are so much aware of social cues that other people don’t pick up. I felt it when I did a summer program in college where I was the only Asian guy among a group of 100 or so people. Did your friends have your back? Edit: I had a typo
@FightCommentary I think when you are different and you have experienced a certain amount of discrimination that leads to physical assaults, your situational awareness is heightened. Even if you are not experiencing discrimination, your situational awareness is heightened just by the feeling of being alone in a crowd. There's this instinctual need to be alert and preemptive because you're out numbered. These experiences made my traditional martial arts training very functional. Due to these situations, I was pressure tested before I was actually pressure tested. I learned martial arts out of necessity. So I approached my training differently vs. a person who is socially accepted and never attacked unprovoked. I've used kung fu, karate, and aikido in a variety of real-world scenarios with no problem. As far as the friends go, no, they never did. Friendships were strained or ended.
Yep. That’s the reality of situations. The majority of people who are hanging out with you have no idea how to step it up even a little. Looks like you’ve definitely experienced that before. My Albanian friend in college who grew up in the hood even told me how his brother who was bigger than him would run away and leave him there. So being family isn’t even a guarantee of having one’s back.
Well I'm about to be contrarian, but tbh I think this entire competition is total BS. I felt that way ever since in season 1, when one of the guys got to a very high place only accessible by ladder, and when the guys attacking followed him up, he verbally explained to them, "hey I could very easily attack you as you're climbing, but I'm not going to bc that would risk knocking you off the ladder which would actually kill you in real life." And the guys just kept coming up, and then continued attacking him with the knives or w/e it was, and all the simulated injuries that followed were counted against his score. And then there's the stuff that happened with Ramsey Dewey, which a lot of it people have said he was making excuses and like trust me I'm not trying to defend him, but the way he got his knee injured absolutely was totally f'd up. Like, seriously, they were supposed to ready for a guy to drop down from the ceiling?!? What is this self defense against Spider-man?? It's a ridiculous scenario and I can't believe anyone pretended that was a reasonable thing. But more importantly, the implementation of it was recklessly dangerous and negligent, with the guy literally falling directly on Dewey's head, and leading to the knee injury bc of how he happened to be positioned with his leg locked in the way it was. But to go back to the ladder thing, that's just the big example I remember off the top of my head, but I know there were more similar things, and that the attackers ignoring what would have been damaging attacks if the contestants were throwing them full power, and then having all the attacks they're able to land as a result of ignoring getting hit being counted as lethal, was a common criticism of s1. If I'm remembering right, I think they even addressed it in the first episode this season and said they were changing it to better recognize damage attackers take But imo they didn't actually make a significant enough change. In the first episode Natan was simulating hitting people with like a big quarterstaff/bo staff sized stick simulator, and in the replay commentary they say oh he did alright by being able to take 1 guy out that way but then got overwhelmed, but if you actually watch he was landing what could have been huge hits on way more of them than just the 1 guy who went down but they just ignored it. He rightfully complained about in the interview afterwords, and was saying like okay if that's how it is no more mr. nice guy I'm going full contact here on out. Which if I'm honest has been straight up satisfying to see at least a little of these guys getting what's coming to them. And I'm absolutely not saying that Craig didn't do well in this challenge, but I think the scoring is extremely biased. In the first episode, again Natan was scored low bc he was unfairly eliminated early. I think Jesse got the highest score, but his partner Jeff got one of the lowest. And like yeah Jeff got killed and Jesse either got away or got furthest to the car, but he was able to do that because of the strategy that he and Jeff were equal partners in. It worked better than any other plan that allowed to be fully played out (cough Natan), and it was basically good and bad luck that Jesse got away and Jeff didn't. Yeah Jesse should get the higher score, but Jeff got one of the lowest, and Jesse could not have done as well as he did without Jeff's teamwork. Like Jeff and Jesse worked together and it didn't happen to work out for Jeff, but he essentially died while putting up a great fight to let his friend be able to get away. And Jordan ignored his partner, basically left his friend to be killed so he could do his own thing, and then got absolutely annihilated once the attackers caught him. But bc he was a shorter physical distance to the car when he got stabbed to death he gets the better score. Ridiculous And in this episode, the excessive force penalties were absolutely insane. Like sure Jeff did attack too early (but tbh I wouldn't be surprised if that was due to realizing during the first event how unfairly this was going and just not giving a f**k anymore), but Natan should not have gotten that. The situation was that several guys attempted to drug them and then all together attack them, with pool sticks and /broken bottles/ as weapons. That's absolutely potentially deadly force, so responding to it with any amount of force is justified. And it wasn't even applied equally. Sure Craig said let's put the chairs down and have a fair fight instead, but he was only de-escalating it from the situation he had himself escalated it to by being the one to pick pick up a chair first and hold it ready to start swinging. But he still got points for that de-escalation/backtracked escalation. And he kicked a guy in the head while he was on the ground. He was using such an "excessive" amount of force that one of the attackers literally backed down from him and voluntarily stopped fighting, which happened with no one else. Which again I personally do see as justified, but that doesn't change how unfair it is that he got away with it when the others didn't. They also are doing the thing where they are like, incorporating the self defense pen that they're being paid to advertise directly into the competition? Feels a little scummy. A cynical person might think they're treating the competition as a gimmick through which to shill products... Between that and the unfair scoring, and noting 1) that said unfair scoring has so far targeted specifically the mma guys, and 2) that the guys running this literally sell one of those "reality based self defense" courses, it straight up feels like they're rigging the competition to make mma look worse, to try to convince people that no, it's not true that mma is the most effective way of self defense, instead you should sign up for and pay for /MY/ special self defense course! Bc look I proved not even mma pros aren't ready for "real" self defense situations, only I can teach you that! Sorry for ranting in your comments, but I really do feel like this whole thing is at best just a completely garbage quality production, and at worst a dishonest marketing gimmick or even con, but that people online seem to have had the wool pulled over their eyes and been fooled by it
Oh and also I'm seeing online lots of people saying that the sporadic training that Craig has done has included training directly with the guy who runs this self defense place, so yeah if true that's not helping at all
And the 3rd episode is the most obviously rigged yet. And Rokas is literally hearting all the comments pointing out how unfair the scoring is. The only thing I can think of that would explain that is that he's also pissed off about how unfair it ended up being, but is like contractually obligated or something to keep going along with it, and the hearting the comments is the only way he can get away with expressing that
(Commenting before watching). You're doing your clickbait titles all wrong Jerry, it's supposed to be:- YOU WON'T BELIEVE what happens with this Self Defence Test. People are ALL saying THE SAME THING!!!!!
*successfully preempts the aggression* "That's not good self-defense," Rofl. If you can put someone down and wuickly stand up, you're fine. And in those quarters, soccer kicks are really hard to employ if you dont wanna hit your buddy. Jeff was never on the ground for more than like 3 seconds. And he preempted the aggression very well in general. He also was always watching to make sure his friend was nearby and at least pulling some aggro before going to the ground.
It's disrespectful towards Chinese culture for Sensei Seth to assign Ranton as the representative of Chinese martial arts. He himself stated that he was a Shaolin monk who focused on performance over combat effectiveness. Would it not be better to choose a Sanda practitioner or someone who practices Kung Fu for effective self defense/sport fighting?
I don't think it really has much to do with Chinese culture and hembing disrespectful towards it. What I would say it has more to do with is him making a very stupid judgment call, He probably just knew "oh, ranton does kung fu since he spent time as a shaolin warrior monk" And just didn't look into his background and whether he had actually pressure tested his art as much as he should have to be in this competition representing kung fu, I don't really see that as disrespectful towards Chinese culture, and again, it's just a bad judgment call and just shows he didn't do enough research on ranton, he probably thought ranton might have had a background in sanda since ranton has talked about sanshou on his channel before, I just don't think he looked into his background as much as he should have.
@@danielburgess7785 everyone knows the best way to get rich quick is to fly martial artists from all around the world to Australia to produce niche RUclips content
At 2:02 I forgot what the show was called when I recorded. I just remembered. It was Fight Quest. Their episode on Krav Maga was great. Definitely try to find that on Discovery Channel if possible.
2:42 That guy I know who got KOed during a pool game, he was a friend of my lawyer friend. It wasn’t a pool stick that got him, but a punch. And it was a sucker-punch too. This friend of friend flew across the room.
7:03 Elaborating on more details. This “friend” would always test bouncers. If there was a cover, he would try to sneak into a bar. He also would just antagonize people and lie to people for fun. It really was annoying because I met this really cute artsy lady at one of the bars, and she even mentioned that she got a bad vibe from my “friend.”
I also just talked to another friend who was also a coworker, but he didn’t really remember this guy. I’ll talk to other former coworkers to see if anyone else ever hung out with this dude.
Craig and Jeff Phillips saw this video already, so make sure to catch them in the comments!
As I think of more details, I will add here. This video is generating so many more thoughts! Everyone involved is linked in the end cards and video description.
I will add more details as I think of more things.
I loved that show as a kid.
I think your story kind of expands upon a sort of "meta" aspect of self-defense, namely, are you putting yourself in situations that are likely to need self-defense. Are you hanging around people that are volatile or like to stir things up. Are you going to low-rent clubs and bars a lot. Are you drinking a lot yourself. It's not that you could never just be attacked randomly, but it's pretty rare in most major nations.
Being a straight edge wildly diminishes a lot of the situations in which you'd even need self-defense.
Jeff Chan: Self defense but you defend yourselves from me
MMA Fan: "Excuse me, are you Jeff..."
*Kick to the face*
Jeff is not locked in there with them. THEY are locked in there with JEFF.
Great video mate! Appreciate the love🍻👍🇦🇺
Craig! Is your boxing match online?
You are great in the Self defense championship.
lots of people root for you after viewing this second episode
Bro, Craig. You're my favorite on the show so far!
@@FightCommentary nah, sorry mate..
Craig is just average Aussie in his natural habitat LMAO.
Jeff Chan: Call the ambulance, call the ambulance, but not for me. I AM THE DANGER =)))
Crocodile Dundee :)
😂
Not enough use of furniture provided. -1 Rutten points
Every bjj person needs to watch before they get humbled.
They are all getting humbled by the average Aussie lol
@@granddaddy_funk oh yeah . Facts mate
Not that realistic a scenario, to be fair, for some reason his friend kept getting him into trouble and not helping him when the fighting happened.
@@dmfaccount1272 some friends are cunnnnnnnnnnts.
BJJ has no flaws. It's true a family of Brazilian n@zis told me so
There was a guy about to go drunk driving outside of a bar and his girlfriend was fighting with him over it. My brother-in-law tried to calmly reason with him and the drunk guy threatened to attack him. I jumped in and yelled at him the way I had to yell when I was in the US Army and it scared him bad enough to where he got in the passenger seat. Yelling at someone in the right way can be self defense.
haha. well, you don't really have anything to lose by trying this. nice.
As someone that has been in street fights and bar fights. You never ever take anyone to the ground unless its a one on one situation or you and friend against one person. In bar fights you need to practice fighting on a wet floor and against glassing.
When Jeff turns it on....its on 😂
The style rarely matters for these situations. Situational awareness and distancing are the only things you need to master. All the striking and wrestling is secondary.
I saw this but no notes for Craig. He did what I teach my cousins to do and has worked for them - Bar-Fu.
Never take a drink from anyone but the wait staff and if possible only if you see them make it up. And if you leave one on the table - it is stale get a new one.
On the sofa, It makes sense to stand up if you think a fight will happen if you do and it could be seen as a sign to start fighting. So he did not be right think lean back if you can get out of arm range. So Instead he leans back. Notice that the first punch did not connect and the second barely did. So he ate one and then was able to engage. And when he was standing he did see the “friend” had engaged and the moment he thought the other person was free turned to engage.
Also, Avoid wrestling is important. But side steps and redirects are golden. And we see that a couple of times.
Jeff Chan returned to defend his champion title. Still sacrificed his points to entertain us😂😂
Can he keep the belt at least
Jeff chan heel turn arc
A LOT of martial artists learn
Martial arts precisely because they Don't know how to fight, turn on aggression, and have no situational awareness. Learning the movement patterns doesn't always improve this.
Matt had a score to settle with Jeff after the first scenario with the helmets off.
Did Matt mention anything about it on his socials?
@@FightCommentary it all happened so long ago so I wouldn't know, but it was clearly friendly tit for tat.
When I was tackled to the ground 20 years ago by an unhinged dude yelling about religion who outweighed me by about 50 lbs, I kimura'ed the hell out of his shoulder until the cops picked him up. When asked how he got so hurt, I just said we fell 😂. I don't know how all of you are getting into fights with multiple people at once but jiu jitsu worked for me.
You get into a fight with one person and then his friend, cousin, or boyfriend joins in. Now, how you get jumped by a street preacher, idk 😂
I love how Jeff Chan just lights guys up. If this had occurred outside of this self-defense test context, we'd think he's just a total psychopath.
Hahahha 😝
BJJ on its own for self-defense is a bit sketchy. I think this challenge proves that.
Grappling is mostly for one on one situations, and not fights in the bar
@@kermit1211even if you train Grappling is good Know Muay Thai, Boxing even Silat too because in street is never 1 X 1.
@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lheh, it’s sometimes 1 on 1. Depends a lot on your local culture
@@badart3204 a Guy never will attack you or me in 1 X 1 average people alone are coward normally Average People Create courage in Group, Only fighters have balls to fight in 1 X 1.
I think his strategy and mindset to using violence was the biggest thing holding him back here
Once my brother took someone in a forward headlock to calm the guy down and sat with the guy between his legs, completely stuck. At the same time he instructed me to hold bystanders (friends from the attacker) who wanted to get involved. I am an aikidoka so tried to deescalate the situation and the persons who got closer got thrown or pushed away. After some talking and holding down the guy the situation was solved. The guy was super tired and my brother bought him a beer (fyi he was a rugbyplayer at the time 😅). Morale of the story, hang out with the people you trust the most!
How many of the person’s friends did you have to throw?
@@FightCommentary 1 got thrown, the other controlled by lifting the elbows and pushing him away.
Craig was the Goat of this scenario, handled it beautifully
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Normal Friday night in Sydney... only less beer... 😁 Love this series.
Does Australia have mutual combat laws?
@@FightCommentary Its probably a bit looser on provocation down under, than say in North America. Of course, lawyers can spin anything one way or the other.
@@FightCommentary We dont have mutual combat laws officially. but fights happen so often that police wont even bother writing it up and will instead just stop it.
I think Jeff and Jordon were on opposite extremes of the self-defense spectrum. Jeff tried to eliminate the threats as quickly as possible while Jordan tried to subdue and control and not use force until help eventually arrives (which might never happen). Jeff (aside from going to ground) would've had no issue with the threats but would've had issues with the law afterwards, whereas Jordan would've had no issue with the law, but might have gotten too hurt for that to even matter.
I wonder how other martial artist like Karate bushido, yaichi Yusuke, li shun gen, terada, or max pan would have done
There is a karate guy that goes through this scenario.
At around 0:47, with what Jeff Chan said about wanting to make it entertaining, this day and age, you never know. That sounds valid with these weirdo Tik Tok content creators or Kick streamers. 😅
I've been attacked in the street yes, and sometimes I've not de escalated the situation, but I haven't been hurt or gone to jail, bc it was minor fights.
Thanks for highlighting this. I loved season 1 and am enjoying season 2. I particularly appreciated your comments about how to select lifelong friends and companions. Great advice buddy.
You're very welcome!
Its got to feel great to have put in the work with your teeth and to come out on the other side with perfect looking teeth that are actually yours and not FAKE!
Best martial art for self defence: be Australian
Keep these coming!
Hey Jeff!! Are and Craig going to do an episode two reaction too?
@@FightCommentary sure are for the finale
I enjoy the show. Like any rules based event, the winner will probably reflect the person who best played the rules. And like everything martial arts, folks will cherry pick events to confirm their own biases.
Gotta see you in season three man!
I was on my first date with my future girlfriend.
After a J-Rock concert, we took a walk through the Montmartre district under the lights of Paris at night. Once we sat down together on a bench, a man came over wanting to talk to us, accompanied by a friend of him who stayed in the background. He was nice at first but started becoming increasingly inappropriate (he asked us for a threesome etc). I firmly told him to leave, as we wanted to be alone. Within two seconds, he sat down next to my girlfriend and put his hand on her bare thigh (she was dressed in a Japanese schoolgirl outfit). I immediately jumped up, he stood up right after. He attacked first with a cross or a one-hand push, I’m not sure. At the time, I was very into BJJ, so out of reflex, I attempted a flying armbar xD. That jerk went down like a ton of bricks just from my momentum. Since I still had the position, I finished the armbar on the ground. Then we ran off, looking for the larger crowded streets of the city. His friend never got involved.
I was rooting for Jordan but he want to use BJJ only too bad.
I think Levy got this. He has the combat sport experience and Israel warfare mindset/paranoia.
The Aussie common sense is 👌👌
True, keep it indie!
My predition on who will win, watching the show, knowing how Jeff Chan with his vast combat sports experience helped him win. I would think Natan Levy would likely be walking away winning this. And, after seeing Jeff Chan doing stupid things like throwing the first strikes in two alteractions and Jordan not wanting to strike, and on top of that seeing Natan Levy trying psychological tricks to get in the others heads. It's not even going to be a competition for him.
No surprise a bloke knew how to handle a punch up in a bar. Love how he just said "Bro 1v1 me!"
In a bar fight you mostly end stabbed, with a serious concussion, knocked out cold... There makes no much difference if you are a regular person or a fighter.
the problem with grappling if it's just 1 vs 1 (especially submission grappling) is that if you choose to do it, and are even successful in defending yourself with it, now you have to commit to your grappling and are stuck in that situation and position until someone can help you call the police since you can't run away (especially in a RNC which is what you'll see most of the times on youtube of a 'successful grappling defend on tha streetz'). if you choke him out and don't cause him any harm you can still get charged for that since the attacker was still in a position where the force wasn't needed any further than just restraint and couldn't even defend themselves (even though you are the defender). it's better to stay mobile so you can run.
A little life and street fighting experience get you a long way
Watched a very awkward 2v1 scrap. One guy really wanted to try a leg kick but kept accidentally hitting his own mate in the thigh. Twice.
The fight was so funny to watch that I decided to just... Barrel roll between them for the fun of it.
It concluded with surprisingly no major injuries. Not even a bruise. It felt like a play fight even when their intent was to hurt. Very anticlimactic.
I don't remember who was in the wrong, but aye, most memorable moments in my life
this is a normal day in Latam xd
Im sure in many big cities in many countries this is Friday night 😅
@@FightCommentary actually in small lawless towns is worse!
Oh man! I can imagine!
I was at a party when i was 21 and only knew one person there. At some point the guy that owned the apartment got so drunk he forgot that i had been there the whole time, and walked over to me with a large kitchen knife. I have high functioning autism and was also drunk so I literally thought this guy was trying to show me his cool knife. I said "Whoa is that one of those that can cut a can in half?" not registering the threat at all, and brought the guy some beer cans to demo the knife for me. My friend clocked the situation and got me out of there shortly after.
Wow. That’s crazy! I take it you never went to that guy’s parties again?
Maybe he just really wanted to slice beer cans to impress you
Great commentary on this
Hey Jerry, are you going to cover Till Gisler's latest fight?
He won via TKO in the 2nd round btw.
OMG! YES!!! IS there a link yet?
@@FightCommentary He will post one on his Instagram as soon as it's available.
The Aussie guy knew what kind of pub he was in when he was given his drink in a plastic cup… where they got the glass bottle from is anyones guess, I guess they snuck that into the pub so they could smash it over someones head.
Avoidance is the best self-defence. Does not accept 'Objection!'
How have I never heard of this?
It's still ongoing. Watch both episodes!
ok, luffy
I'd honestly love to see a woman in this. Yeah, she'd obviously be at a physical disadvantage but I think in the department of situational awareness women are usually better than most men. For example I don't think that a woman with half a brain for self defense would've picked up the spiked drink. Would also be interesting to see if there's any way she'd see to try and make up for the physical aspect.
Yeah, would be interesting!
As a female martial artist, honestly, the minute trouble happened, I would have felt uncomfortable and walked out straight away.
I would be wary, but would definitely deescalate as much as possible, and I tend to be quite good at doing so. However, if attacked, I would create distance with perhaps a few strikes or a teep, then grab for an item nearby, preferably something big to keep the attacker away, and also to shield myself with, like a chair, while also yelling for help to alert bouncers, as well as make clear to witnesses that I am the victim, which will help in court.
And then I would run away as soon as I can.
@@starmochi9692 I'm a pretty short and rather thin woman myself and I've been doing a combination of Judo, Kickboxing and Krav Maga (started with Judo in 2nd grade). I always said as a joke that I do martial arts because I suck at running. Definetely noticed that since I am doing martial arts (or maybe I am just paranoid lol) I got a certain sense for potential dangerous situations, even before things go south. As soon as I sense something off, I either remove myself from the situation or if I can't, I look for ways to protect myself (e.g. standing in a way that I can't suddenly be attacked from behind or looking for possible improvised weapons/an escape/...).
I agree on you in most things, except the grabbing a chair or something. I'd probably throw something like a glass or bottle. Most chairs I know I can't swing hard or fast enough, especially I don't want to risk my opponent grabbing it and using it against me as realistically, most male attackers would be stronger than me.
That being said I'd do everything I need to do in order to protect myself. Whatever legal trouble that may entail is 100% future me's problem. However here my physical disadvantage would probably do me a solid as no law inforcement person in their right mind could ever look at me and be like "jep, that's what an agressor looks like".
Jeff woke up and chose violence
There is also a problem with the lack of aggression.
i was very impressed by craig but its been made clear that normal guy is not an apt descriptor, not only does he train combative with the show host but he also learned boxing in prison and fought in bareknuckle rings there
Club altercation;
I was taking a fellow martial arts practioner to the club for his 21st bday. I was maybe late 30s, well into my prime. It was at Gotham at 3rd street promenade. Not sure if it's there anymore.
Anyways I was having fun dancing by myself because a few girls rejected me. And when they saw me dance, they started to do the Roxbury move trying to slide next to me. And I said oh he'll no, go dance with someone who cares lol. Later my shy friend who was 6'3, 210 muscular built joined me with a few "nice" girls but I didn't realize he was already 4 drinks in. Well he was getting alittle too touchy feely with one of the girls and it wasnt appreciated so she told her male cousins what he did. In his drunken stupor, when confronted by 3 guys about the incident, he decided to test his new found martial arts on these guys 🤦🏼.
Needless to say, when I was trying help him off the ground, one of the guys tried to sucker punch me. He missed and I just gave him a throat jab with a Phoenix fist, just to stop him from trying again and I said, 'I don't want any trouble just here to pick up my friend and leave". By that time bouncers had already came. I was certain they probably would have continued pummeling my friend at a normal house party😅. Luckily the bouncers helped us out and away from the guys that multiplied by 3 by the time we left.
It was like Rush Hour 2, I think, when Carter was harassing the triad leader and his whole entourage stood up behind him lol!
Lesson learned. ✌️
What did your drunk friend say after this incident?
@@FightCommentary he apologized but it was already done. After leaving, I pinned him against the wall and told him I didn't want to go to jail tonight. Because he insisted on going back🤦🏼.
His dad decided to send him to the military to gain some integrity and discipline. But unfortunately he was dishonorabley discharged about a year in, according to his dad. I'm guessing it had something to do with his uncontrolled drinking.
Troubled kid. Fixable sure. He just needs to grow up, in maturity.
Jeff chan using self-offense
Hahahha
There was this one time me and my friend were walking around our neighbourhood and we saw a couple of middle schoolers fightings and around them were a bunch of their friends and stupidly i antagonised one of them from afar and than they started following us and one of them even threw a big rock at me and the thing that saved me was actually capoeira, i did capoeira at the time and i used one of the dodges and the rock just passed me and after that i was like two seconds from starting to fight but in the end i just threatened to call the police and they ran away
Yeah, capoeira helps with reaction time for sure.
The UFC guy was the best
I love Australians. Craig's #1 in this. Being Craig > jiujitsu black belt.
😂 🤙🏻
Jeff Chan is my routing guy
LOL he went fucking cobra kai and struck first. He is awesome
Natan Is also a favorite of mine since he took off the gloves from round 1 you can see him FUCKING and absolutely Destroying people here hahaha
JeffChan: Self defense? I heard Self Offense
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I think you learn how to adapt to these situations best through experience, not studying martial arts. Personally, I'm mixed race. I've learned to be cautious when I go out with Black or White friends because the social rules are completely different for me. I had a hard time avoiding a lot of bad situations hanging out with White and Black friends because they tend to think nothing will happen. I would pick up on the social ques that people didn't want me around because I look different. My White and Black friends would be like, "Ah, come on. Nothing is going to happen." It would ALWAYS happen the way I said it would happen. I learned the best way to deal with oblivious people is to just leave the situation and leave them in it if need be. Now I have strict social rules I follow when I'm around Black and White people. One of my rules is NEVER sit next to a woman you don't know! I wouldn't have sat next to her..
Very interesting! It’s so interesting how if we’re not looking like people around us, we are so much aware of social cues that other people don’t pick up. I felt it when I did a summer program in college where I was the only Asian guy among a group of 100 or so people. Did your friends have your back? Edit: I had a typo
@FightCommentary I think when you are different and you have experienced a certain amount of discrimination that leads to physical assaults, your situational awareness is heightened. Even if you are not experiencing discrimination, your situational awareness is heightened just by the feeling of being alone in a crowd. There's this instinctual need to be alert and preemptive because you're out numbered. These experiences made my traditional martial arts training very functional. Due to these situations, I was pressure tested before I was actually pressure tested. I learned martial arts out of necessity. So I approached my training differently vs. a person who is socially accepted and never attacked unprovoked. I've used kung fu, karate, and aikido in a variety of real-world scenarios with no problem. As far as the friends go, no, they never did. Friendships were strained or ended.
Yep. That’s the reality of situations. The majority of people who are hanging out with you have no idea how to step it up even a little. Looks like you’ve definitely experienced that before. My Albanian friend in college who grew up in the hood even told me how his brother who was bigger than him would run away and leave him there. So being family isn’t even a guarantee of having one’s back.
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Not real is different in real life
This reminds me of the B movie The Kung Fu Game.
I’ll have to check that out!
Yellow glasses, Coffee again?
Well I'm about to be contrarian, but tbh I think this entire competition is total BS. I felt that way ever since in season 1, when one of the guys got to a very high place only accessible by ladder, and when the guys attacking followed him up, he verbally explained to them, "hey I could very easily attack you as you're climbing, but I'm not going to bc that would risk knocking you off the ladder which would actually kill you in real life." And the guys just kept coming up, and then continued attacking him with the knives or w/e it was, and all the simulated injuries that followed were counted against his score.
And then there's the stuff that happened with Ramsey Dewey, which a lot of it people have said he was making excuses and like trust me I'm not trying to defend him, but the way he got his knee injured absolutely was totally f'd up. Like, seriously, they were supposed to ready for a guy to drop down from the ceiling?!? What is this self defense against Spider-man?? It's a ridiculous scenario and I can't believe anyone pretended that was a reasonable thing. But more importantly, the implementation of it was recklessly dangerous and negligent, with the guy literally falling directly on Dewey's head, and leading to the knee injury bc of how he happened to be positioned with his leg locked in the way it was.
But to go back to the ladder thing, that's just the big example I remember off the top of my head, but I know there were more similar things, and that the attackers ignoring what would have been damaging attacks if the contestants were throwing them full power, and then having all the attacks they're able to land as a result of ignoring getting hit being counted as lethal, was a common criticism of s1. If I'm remembering right, I think they even addressed it in the first episode this season and said they were changing it to better recognize damage attackers take
But imo they didn't actually make a significant enough change. In the first episode Natan was simulating hitting people with like a big quarterstaff/bo staff sized stick simulator, and in the replay commentary they say oh he did alright by being able to take 1 guy out that way but then got overwhelmed, but if you actually watch he was landing what could have been huge hits on way more of them than just the 1 guy who went down but they just ignored it. He rightfully complained about in the interview afterwords, and was saying like okay if that's how it is no more mr. nice guy I'm going full contact here on out. Which if I'm honest has been straight up satisfying to see at least a little of these guys getting what's coming to them.
And I'm absolutely not saying that Craig didn't do well in this challenge, but I think the scoring is extremely biased. In the first episode, again Natan was scored low bc he was unfairly eliminated early. I think Jesse got the highest score, but his partner Jeff got one of the lowest. And like yeah Jeff got killed and Jesse either got away or got furthest to the car, but he was able to do that because of the strategy that he and Jeff were equal partners in. It worked better than any other plan that allowed to be fully played out (cough Natan), and it was basically good and bad luck that Jesse got away and Jeff didn't. Yeah Jesse should get the higher score, but Jeff got one of the lowest, and Jesse could not have done as well as he did without Jeff's teamwork. Like Jeff and Jesse worked together and it didn't happen to work out for Jeff, but he essentially died while putting up a great fight to let his friend be able to get away. And Jordan ignored his partner, basically left his friend to be killed so he could do his own thing, and then got absolutely annihilated once the attackers caught him. But bc he was a shorter physical distance to the car when he got stabbed to death he gets the better score. Ridiculous
And in this episode, the excessive force penalties were absolutely insane. Like sure Jeff did attack too early (but tbh I wouldn't be surprised if that was due to realizing during the first event how unfairly this was going and just not giving a f**k anymore), but Natan should not have gotten that. The situation was that several guys attempted to drug them and then all together attack them, with pool sticks and /broken bottles/ as weapons. That's absolutely potentially deadly force, so responding to it with any amount of force is justified. And it wasn't even applied equally. Sure Craig said let's put the chairs down and have a fair fight instead, but he was only de-escalating it from the situation he had himself escalated it to by being the one to pick pick up a chair first and hold it ready to start swinging. But he still got points for that de-escalation/backtracked escalation. And he kicked a guy in the head while he was on the ground. He was using such an "excessive" amount of force that one of the attackers literally backed down from him and voluntarily stopped fighting, which happened with no one else. Which again I personally do see as justified, but that doesn't change how unfair it is that he got away with it when the others didn't.
They also are doing the thing where they are like, incorporating the self defense pen that they're being paid to advertise directly into the competition? Feels a little scummy. A cynical person might think they're treating the competition as a gimmick through which to shill products... Between that and the unfair scoring, and noting 1) that said unfair scoring has so far targeted specifically the mma guys, and 2) that the guys running this literally sell one of those "reality based self defense" courses, it straight up feels like they're rigging the competition to make mma look worse, to try to convince people that no, it's not true that mma is the most effective way of self defense, instead you should sign up for and pay for /MY/ special self defense course! Bc look I proved not even mma pros aren't ready for "real" self defense situations, only I can teach you that!
Sorry for ranting in your comments, but I really do feel like this whole thing is at best just a completely garbage quality production, and at worst a dishonest marketing gimmick or even con, but that people online seem to have had the wool pulled over their eyes and been fooled by it
Oh and also I'm seeing online lots of people saying that the sporadic training that Craig has done has included training directly with the guy who runs this self defense place, so yeah if true that's not helping at all
And the 3rd episode is the most obviously rigged yet. And Rokas is literally hearting all the comments pointing out how unfair the scoring is. The only thing I can think of that would explain that is that he's also pissed off about how unfair it ended up being, but is like contractually obligated or something to keep going along with it, and the hearting the comments is the only way he can get away with expressing that
(Commenting before watching). You're doing your clickbait titles all wrong Jerry, it's supposed to be:-
YOU WON'T BELIEVE what happens with this Self Defence Test. People are ALL saying THE SAME THING!!!!!
this set up with couches and tables is IDIOTIC :)
*successfully preempts the aggression*
"That's not good self-defense,"
Rofl. If you can put someone down and wuickly stand up, you're fine. And in those quarters, soccer kicks are really hard to employ if you dont wanna hit your buddy. Jeff was never on the ground for more than like 3 seconds. And he preempted the aggression very well in general. He also was always watching to make sure his friend was nearby and at least pulling some aggro before going to the ground.
First!!!
It's disrespectful towards Chinese culture for Sensei Seth to assign Ranton as the representative of Chinese martial arts. He himself stated that he was a Shaolin monk who focused on performance over combat effectiveness. Would it not be better to choose a Sanda practitioner or someone who practices Kung Fu for effective self defense/sport fighting?
Kevin Lee would be a great choice.
I don't think it really has much to do with Chinese culture and hembing disrespectful towards it. What I would say it has more to do with is him making a very stupid judgment call, He probably just knew "oh, ranton does kung fu since he spent time as a shaolin warrior monk" And just didn't look into his background and whether he had actually pressure tested his art as much as he should have to be in this competition representing kung fu, I don't really see that as disrespectful towards Chinese culture, and again, it's just a bad judgment call and just shows he didn't do enough research on ranton, he probably thought ranton might have had a background in sanda since ranton has talked about sanshou on his channel before, I just don't think he looked into his background as much as he should have.
@@peterfan8650 idk man, didn't he lose pretty badly against Jesse Enkamp in their spar video?
@@gnos1s171 As a whole the martial arts community disrespects Chinese culture.
@@SirPlusOfCamelot He does have a size dis-advantage but he's sneaky and might get away some of the challenges.
It's all about the money. Dumb show.
Deep analysis. Thanks for commenting this. I learned a lot and have much to reflect upon.
@@anattasunnata3498 Stupid comment. It's still about the money.
@@danielburgess7785 Again, enlightening. Kind regards.
@@anattasunnata3498😂😂😂
@@danielburgess7785 everyone knows the best way to get rich quick is to fly martial artists from all around the world to Australia to produce niche RUclips content
cool test, its hard either way