Doing a blind a/ b test really early into my entry into this hobby was really eye-opening. I don't know why audio enthusiast would be upset to learn cables don't matter. It's good news. It means you can spend your money on other stuff or save it for a rainy day.
" I don't know why audio enthusiast would be upset to learn cables don't matter. " Easy, you're invalidating their $5k cables that they just bought, plus it diminishes the snoob factor regarding their high end purchase.....you're suppose to go wow, not you're a fool.....
@@jammadan Isn't it amazing that the characteristics that allow them to hear the difference between their purchase, and cheap cables, always puts them in an elite group that you possibly couldn't be a part of. Like the quality (expense) of their equipment, or their inhuman ability hear.
Those self-proclaimed audiophiles aren't really music enthusiasts. They are obsessed with gear to a level that it could be considered a medical precondition. Therefore they need also step into bizarre areas such as "audiophile Ethernet cables" and all sort of other nonsense. 🤷♂️
I wouldn't begrudge companies and people for buying expensive cables because they think they look cool and they're a conversation piece. I just get frustrated because that's usually not the justification or marketing. It's almost always magic audiophile beans or pseudoscience.
A lot of these people have gotten all bent out of shape because technology has increased so much in the past 20 years. Expensive cameras? Our phones have better than lots of the ones from 10 years ago that you'd spend a fortune. Vehicles have gotten better, computers have gotten better, and yes, audio equipment has gotten better. Anyone who says a Sansui 70s amp sounds better than a typical $300 well-made amp is in love with its sound characteristics, not reality. And reality is those components are 50 years old and are dying - just like most audiophiles.
Howdy. I get the impression the table has turned. Audiophiles are under attack now. It used to be the other way earlier. Earlier regular listeners were under attack by audiophiles. So yes. These days the snake oil legion sings in chorus "snake oil here, snake oil there, snake oil everywhere". I should think maggot oil has seeped into the snake oil legion. Regards.
I love this man, figuratively speaking,totally relate to you brother. I have come to the conclusion that,if people are really hearing a difference,then it has to be the manufacturer adding a capacitor to the cable,where then it has some equalizer effect.As I build all my audio equipment Turntable,single ended tube amps,tube pre amps,speakers and cables,the only equipment not built by me are my DAC and CD player,I can change the sound of my tube amps and tube pre amps simply by changing the coupling caps,and to some degree plate resistors,but not by much as you'll wear them out too quickly.
Yeah, although I hesitate to lump those two things together. I personally wouldn't buy a $2,000 headphone but at least you can truthfully make the claim that a $2,000 pair of headphones will sound different from other headphones. But this cable stuff, and the MQA stuff.... Absolutely predicated on either duplicity or a lack of transparency. But that's not to excuse companies who make outrageous claims on their overpriced headphones and amplifiers as well. And content creators who let them get away with it.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 Each item has a diminishing return line, will a $2K headphone sound better than a $500 set, brand signature sound aside. Just like bookshelf speakers, past 1K and you're paying for finish and or the looks. I just bought a pair of Wharfedale Denton 80's for $550 and they have amazing build quality and sound. I also did an AB test with a Schiit Modi 3+ and Schiit Modi Multibit, between 5 people no one could tell the difference on the same system.
@@thomasward00 it's weird though, how the limit of "diminishing returns" is always, in every case, exactly as much as the person speaking has spent on their own system
@@WeeWeeJumbo Not always, even through I spent $800 on my 50W Arcam int amp.... I could certainly see spending more for a more powerful unit to account for listening space. Lower Mid Fi in my opinion is the best bang for buck, past that sound quality doens't improve much.
I love it when people use that claim "well, just because SCIENCE cannot measure it doesn't mean I can't hear it!" I made a video about this subject recently, I love hearing people try to defend expensive cables. They make no difference, but people are convinced they do. I challenge them all to a double blind test. But beyond speaker cables, and even MORE absurd, are the ones who pretend a 71,000.00$ gold braided POWER cable will give 'more definition' 71k? Really? Are these people just dumb? I mean, I know a little about sound, and it seems the first thing an 'audiophile' would learn about, how electricity works, etc. They make up such drivel.
If you and I are thinking of the same guy, was this a guy who also bought a $400 power outlet (just the outlet) and said the difference was amazing especially after it was "broken in"?
The crazy thing is in the original video he admits this is a controversial subject. So then wouldn't you want to do the A/b testing in order to demonstrate your point? Of course this isn't a controversial issue. It's a no-brainer issue that is only " debated," seriously due to charlatans and greedy companies. I'm willing to bet half of these content creators shilling cables are getting theirs for free, or are selling them.
I like this topic. Hope you don't think me a loudmouth, I'm more of a bullshit artist. Audio cables, ah yes. There possibly are differences in cables, but is it worth the cost?? As for rich folks, buy whatever you want. Truth is, there will ALWAYS be a market for the best (allegedly) of anything. There were rich folks walkin' round when Jesus was livin' but the audio was crap, there's rich folks now and there'll be rich folk in the year 5050. Wanna get some flak?? mention audiophile speaker cables. Whatta can-o-worms that is. Lastly, I know you ain't that thin skinned and will take some comments in stride.
Some things matter. Capacitance, impedance, conductivity, shielding and insulation. In the cases where moderately expensive cable makes a difference is in a recording studio where, in some cases gold plating for conductivity is needed to retain signal quality where signal paths can get really lengthy in the processing chain. But that is moderate costs. Not over the top.
@@weetjewatikwil1 noise prevention in the context of studio environment where 100 s of linear feet of cable is needed… speaking from experience (30+ years) I’m not an idiot… good day, troll.
Acoustic Research AR9, top model, 1979, in malual states "night lamp cord #18 strand may be used", again, for their TOP MODEL! "jumpers" connecting Hi and LO terminals is a piece of iron wire, again, fo their TOP MODEL! For my AR9 i use QED79, 3 euro/meter and no chance to give a cent more whad did in AR knew we don't know today?
Yeah, 18 ga (zip cord) was usually recommended back in the 1970's. By 1979 I was using 16 ga and have ever since. I think the two colored speaker wire sold was actually 20 ga. Them, there AR9's were boss. Had a friend with AR-90's run off a Pioneer SX-950 and sound was fantastic, though his neighbors didn't necessarily agree. Betcha a lotta folks couldn't tell between sound quality of 14ga or 20ga wire. "You pays your money and takes your choice", Bogie quote from The African Queen.
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Audio quest comes to mind as their products are powered by unicorn's farts😂😂
LOL they are a rather obvious example of it.
@@baldmetalnerd lmao, indeed lots of sorcery and flat earth science goes into their products
You sniff unicorn farts and get tea bagged by silverbacks.
Baldy, you are spot on.....
Doing a blind a/ b test really early into my entry into this hobby was really eye-opening. I don't know why audio enthusiast would be upset to learn cables don't matter. It's good news. It means you can spend your money on other stuff or save it for a rainy day.
A/B testing is a priceless tool! It's taught me a LOT about this hobby and has allowed me to cut through the marketing BS completely.
exactly! Except they already spent the money, now they are trying to justify it :)
" I don't know why audio enthusiast would be upset to learn cables don't matter. "
Easy, you're invalidating their $5k cables that they just bought, plus it diminishes the snoob factor regarding their high end purchase.....you're suppose to go wow, not you're a fool.....
@@jammadan Isn't it amazing that the characteristics that allow them to hear the difference between their purchase, and cheap cables, always puts them in an elite group that you possibly couldn't be a part of. Like the quality (expense) of their equipment, or their inhuman ability hear.
Those self-proclaimed audiophiles aren't really music enthusiasts. They are obsessed with gear to a level that it could be considered a medical precondition. Therefore they need also step into bizarre areas such as "audiophile Ethernet cables" and all sort of other nonsense. 🤷♂️
I think the term you are looking for is audiophile jewelry. It might look nicer but it doesn't make a difference besides costing you more money.
I wouldn't begrudge companies and people for buying expensive cables because they think they look cool and they're a conversation piece. I just get frustrated because that's usually not the justification or marketing. It's almost always magic audiophile beans or pseudoscience.
A lot of these people have gotten all bent out of shape because technology has increased so much in the past 20 years. Expensive cameras? Our phones have better than lots of the ones from 10 years ago that you'd spend a fortune. Vehicles have gotten better, computers have gotten better, and yes, audio equipment has gotten better. Anyone who says a Sansui 70s amp sounds better than a typical $300 well-made amp is in love with its sound characteristics, not reality. And reality is those components are 50 years old and are dying - just like most audiophiles.
Lol what an apt analogy.
Howdy.
I get the impression the table has turned. Audiophiles are under attack now.
It used to be the other way earlier. Earlier regular listeners were under attack by audiophiles.
So yes. These days the snake oil legion sings in chorus "snake oil here, snake oil there, snake oil everywhere".
I should think maggot oil has seeped into the snake oil legion.
Regards.
I have a 15k system with less than 500 in cables XLR and speaker.
Cables are for audio suckers.
I love this man, figuratively speaking,totally relate to you brother.
I have come to the conclusion that,if people are really hearing a difference,then it has to be the manufacturer adding a capacitor to the cable,where then it has some equalizer effect.As I build all my audio equipment Turntable,single ended tube amps,tube pre amps,speakers and cables,the only equipment not built by me are my DAC and CD player,I can change the sound of my tube amps and tube pre amps simply by changing the coupling caps,and to some degree plate resistors,but not by much as you'll wear them out too quickly.
There is a company that will 'burn in' your speaker cables over 20 days for $99.
Snake Oil and Diminishing Returns is rampant in the Audio industry. A person has to set reasonable limits to what they will spend.
Yeah, although I hesitate to lump those two things together. I personally wouldn't buy a $2,000 headphone but at least you can truthfully make the claim that a $2,000 pair of headphones will sound different from other headphones.
But this cable stuff, and the MQA stuff.... Absolutely predicated on either duplicity or a lack of transparency. But that's not to excuse companies who make outrageous claims on their overpriced headphones and amplifiers as well.
And content creators who let them get away with it.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 Each item has a diminishing return line, will a $2K headphone sound better than a $500 set, brand signature sound aside.
Just like bookshelf speakers, past 1K and you're paying for finish and or the looks. I just bought a pair of Wharfedale Denton 80's for $550 and they have amazing build quality and sound. I also did an AB test with a Schiit Modi 3+ and Schiit Modi Multibit, between 5 people no one could tell the difference on the same system.
@@thomasward00 it's weird though, how the limit of "diminishing returns" is always, in every case, exactly as much as the person speaking has spent on their own system
@@WeeWeeJumbo Not always, even through I spent $800 on my 50W Arcam int amp.... I could certainly see spending more for a more powerful unit to account for listening space. Lower Mid Fi in my opinion is the best bang for buck, past that sound quality doens't improve much.
@@WeeWeeJumbo I laughed as I have often thought the same thing.
YAWWNNNN When you gear sucks you will not hear a difference.
Typical dumbass response
I love it when people use that claim "well, just because SCIENCE cannot measure it doesn't mean I can't hear it!"
I made a video about this subject recently, I love hearing people try to defend expensive cables. They make no difference, but people are convinced they do.
I challenge them all to a double blind test.
But beyond speaker cables, and even MORE absurd, are the ones who pretend a 71,000.00$ gold braided POWER cable will give 'more definition'
71k? Really?
Are these people just dumb? I mean, I know a little about sound, and it seems the first thing an 'audiophile' would learn about, how electricity works, etc.
They make up such drivel.
If you and I are thinking of the same guy, was this a guy who also bought a $400 power outlet (just the outlet) and said the difference was amazing especially after it was "broken in"?
The crazy thing is in the original video he admits this is a controversial subject. So then wouldn't you want to do the A/b testing in order to demonstrate your point? Of course this isn't a controversial issue. It's a no-brainer issue that is only " debated," seriously due to charlatans and greedy companies. I'm willing to bet half of these content creators shilling cables are getting theirs for free, or are selling them.
Yeah there's a pretty profitable niche industry backing this crap self delusion is STRONG among the "true believers" in this stuff.
It's like a/b testing if the earth is flat. Flat earthers wouldn't believe it anyway. Same goes for cable fools.
With "!Ultra" USB cable, zero (0) is more round and one (1) is more sharp :-)
Cables matter.... to a point. There is snake oil. I'd go for the audioquest golden gate rcas beyond that in their line probably not.
I hate those snake oil moon audio cables
I like this topic. Hope you don't think me a loudmouth, I'm more of a bullshit artist. Audio cables, ah yes. There possibly are differences in cables, but is it worth the cost?? As for rich folks, buy whatever you want. Truth is, there will ALWAYS be a market for the best (allegedly) of anything. There were rich folks walkin' round when Jesus was livin' but the audio was crap, there's rich folks now and there'll be rich folk in the year 5050. Wanna get some flak?? mention audiophile speaker cables. Whatta can-o-worms that is. Lastly, I know you ain't that thin skinned and will take some comments in stride.
I'm glad you liked it my golden ears need to be oiled now.
Absolutely right, if you want/can pay 10000 % more for 1 % improvement, just do it
Some things matter. Capacitance, impedance, conductivity, shielding and insulation. In the cases where moderately expensive cable makes a difference is in a recording studio where, in some cases gold plating for conductivity is needed to retain signal quality where signal paths can get really lengthy in the processing chain. But that is moderate costs. Not over the top.
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@@weetjewatikwil1 noise prevention in the context of studio environment where 100 s of linear feet of cable is needed… speaking from experience (30+ years) I’m not an idiot… good day, troll.
You are wrong buddy,plating in gold, silver or Rodium is to stop oxidation on the connector it's self,not for the BS you are spouting.🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@johnbravo7542 👍 anytime! Glad I could help you feel better about yourself.
RUclips virtue paTROLL. Keep calm, they’re only here to fact check your OPINIONS.
Acoustic Research AR9, top model, 1979, in malual states
"night lamp cord #18 strand may be used", again, for their TOP MODEL!
"jumpers" connecting Hi and LO terminals is a piece of iron wire, again, fo their TOP MODEL!
For my AR9 i use QED79, 3 euro/meter and no chance to give a cent more
whad did in AR knew we don't know today?
Yeah, 18 ga (zip cord) was usually recommended back in the 1970's. By 1979 I was using 16 ga and have ever since. I think the two colored speaker wire sold was actually 20 ga. Them, there AR9's were boss. Had a friend with AR-90's run off a Pioneer SX-950 and sound was fantastic, though his neighbors didn't necessarily agree. Betcha a lotta folks couldn't tell between sound quality of 14ga or 20ga wire. "You pays your money and takes your choice", Bogie quote from The African Queen.
@@martyjewell5683 Absolutely right, man
Neighbors are always "an issue" 🙂