The fall of the Arsenal Invincibles discussed by Thierry Henry, Gary Neville & Jamie Carragher
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How did Arsenal go from undefeated champions to not winning another Premier League title since? These were the thoughts of Thierry Henry, Gary Neville & Jamie Carragher on the matter back in August 2015.
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This never would have happened if they kept Jeremy Swaz Lynch the best player on the ball at arsenal.
Straight facts
Who
Exactly. Especially at only age 15!!!!!! He was better than the first team.
@Stuntman Mike Mr swazzerz you know the guy that's getting a lambo
Swaz tekkers mate better than the first team when he was 15
1:58 that moment when the frenchman has to help the englishman find the right english word.
I think he was tryna put it mildly, when Henry suggested “sympathy” he just took it up
The moment when the English have to come and save the French in world wars. Oh wait 2x now :P
@@ragedapeevo7560 as an Englishman, this is one of the most pathetic and poor responses I have ever seen. Well done, you silly twat
Stupid comment.
|The fact you had to add "as an Englishman" and go against your own country for a silly comment from me shows you're not English. Your response to my response was dire.
One of the most straightforward, honest to god conversations i've seen. Neville and Henry nail it and point out a key area about the slow decline of arsene wenger. Wenger got tricked into thinking modern football is all about young, technically gifted player with alot of talent. He failed to realize that a huge factor in winning is having players who are strong, physical, imposing and who have a rock-solid winning mentality. He dipped way too deep into players who are very talented footballers, but weak both mentally and physically. I think Ozil is pretty much the tell-tale player in this transition.
I dont agree ... Pep won the league twice with a record tally of points without the so-called strength and power players. Wenger failed to coach the team to defend well without the ball.
@@pradhan2008 pep had kompany, toure and co
Pradhan he had Kompany !
@@pradhan2008 but pep had players on the pitch who had the winning mentality and a strong one too. What the OP is talking about isn't who can bench press the most, he's talking about players that put their body on the line
@eoe123321 Busquets not so much ... Barca are not physically strong (they were mentally) but a well drilled team on a certain philosophy. Also add that La Liga referees then was more strict on fouls than in England.
The reason for the fall: They dint replace Patrick Vieira. Its been 14 years now.
no one can replace patrick vieira
Didn't *
15 years. He left in 05
@Tanay Vardam Smart man....
Thomas Partey is coming Finally
the admin of this channel is a living legend
@@WakaWaka2468 na man. Credit where credits due.
@@JM-jb9wk as in credit for uploading archives : /
Why?
For doing his job posting classic content?
Innit
In the middle, we saw them discussing Arsenal’s poor recruitment. What is amazing is how, since 2017, we have made fantastic signings for big money, even being able to replace the irreplaceable Sanchez just a fortnight later. Yet we didn’t go from 2nd to 1st after 2015-16, we went from 2nd to 5th to 8th in 5 years,
sometimes you have to take 1 step back to make 2 steps forward. arsenal over the years were making no steps and towards the end of the wenger reign it felt like 1 step back each season. You see Spurs with 7-8 out of 11 starters playing consistently in the last 5 years and the year after the ucl final with the newest stadium in europe, a fantastic new training facility and the highest net spend in the top 5 leagues were worse off in the 2019-20 season. Sometime things take time to gel
@one indian boy rent free
Tell me who are the fantastic players apart from auba leno
Which isn’t surprising because even when finishing 2nd they weren’t challenging for the league. To put it simply the style of play is the problem, you have too many technical players and are more concerned about looking good on the eye rather than winning football matches. This has been going on for over 10 years, it’s just that now all the other teams have gotten a lot stronger and arsenal have been left behind because they are stuck in their ways.
@@goodebening6564 tierney
They forgot that United was playing with Tevez, Rony and Ronaldo when Wenger had chamach and Bentner as his best atrackers.
arsenal did also have Van Persie and Adebayor at that time
@@TheNorwegianSkillerHD you're seriously comparing van persie and adebayor to tevez/rooney/ronaldo?
@@martinpardede5748 Van Persie and Adebayor were quite prolific. Arsenal had game, what they lacked was a couple of dominant defensive players, a CB, a proper CDM and a better GK from challenging United and Chelsea
That never actually happened. Bendtner and Chamakh were never our best attackers at any point, Chamakh didn't even sign for Arsenal until 2010, the year after Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez last played together at Utd. Anyway, Van Persie was our best forward then, shame he was always injured. Everyone saw how great he was once he got 2 years or so without injuries.
Eduardo looked incredible till the injury too,
Gary "Why did Arsenal and Arsene change the profile of player?"
Henry "Fabregas changed how Arsene set a team up and the way he thought about football"
Gary "I can't understand why they didn't buy stronger players"
Henry "Fabregas changed how Arsene looked at football..."
Gary "I don't understand why they didn't buy stronger players"
MY GOD...
tbf, Henry didnt know what was in Arsene mind and what happened in board room. Its all speculation regarding Fabregas because thats how Henry felt in those seasons with Fabregas in the squad.
@@NobleArch I know, but my god.
Henry just told Gary what he thought and Gary kept asking the same question...
@@NobleArch sorry im not from england.. may i know what speculation about fabregas that you mention
Meor Safuan I believe Wenger saw what Barcelona were doing (playing with small players, passing the ball around, less physical players) and tried to emulate that after the invincibles. Clearly didn't work. Problem is wenger didn't know when to stop buying those types of players.
@Cylenium It did answer the question. Teams must have balance between physicality and technical ability. Wenger bought smaller technical players instead of physically strong ones. While Chelsea bought a combination of both, same goes with United, City and Liverpool now.
and later on gary moved to valencia and become a legendary manager
🤣 lmafo
Yap he is a tactician 😂😂
I can't cook. Does not stop me from saying the food is shit.
@@rutvikrs true 😂😂 but if you are not a doctor why would you give medical advice 🤣
But Gary won double the premier leagues than Arse
Watching Thierry Henry’s analysis is great. Shame he left Sky to manage Montreal Impact.
Chouda04 is it a shame? I think it’s great that he’s moving on with his career.
Chouda04 His ambition is management not pundit, why is it shameful? We should wish him all the best and luck.
I think Thierry is a bad pundit and so far he's stunk as a manager
@@JordynNexus I think he was just making a simple remark about how he will miss his opinions at sky...
he's back
One of the key reasons Arsenal were unable to rebuild was because they lost key players like Vieira, Edu, Keown, Camball and were unbale to rebuild the spine. Arsenal team couldn't compete with Chelsea's riches so had to keep putting youngsters in the starting line up so they lost thier status in the league as a title contender. Another major factor was Arsenal had to pay of thier stadium debt so they had to keep selling thier best players to rivals and foreign teams to generate funds. Teams around Arsenal got stronger and figured out how to play against them so Wenger's style of play became predictable and beatable.
I started watched football 06/07 season. Only got to see 1 season of henry which he was injured alot but still scored some ridiculous bangers. Greatest player arsenal will ever have. Sad I didnt watch his whole career
The Arsenal team from 2007 to 2010 was actually quite decent. They had one of the best midfields in the league and played the best football during that period too. However, the goalkeeper and the two centre back positions are what cost them. Not having a fully fit striker that could play & score week in and week out didn't help either.
Poor defending and not being physical enough cost Arsenal big time.
@Ayoo in 2011 they were the only team who HAD A RESPONSE to that seemingly unbeatable Barca. But ofc UEFA likes aiding Spanish teams so they found a way to squeeze blood(y red card on Van Persie) out of a rock
@Ayoo are you kidding. There were two fouls in Barca's 18 yard that busacca didn't call out.
Rewatch van persie's offside kick and tell me how that red card was justified.
Even if you believe it was justified, the game was no longer fun to watch after the card.
I bet you blindly defend S. Busquets dive against inter Milan.
@Ayoo Looool Bousquets received a hand to the NECK not the FACE. And it was a gentle touch. Football is a game of contact. By your logic if a player accidentally bumps into another while competing for the ball he should be given a yellow... by heck by your logic players should not even make any contact. This disqualifies Bergkamp's goal against Newcastle, as he touched the defender or Henry's goal vs. Real Madrid as he also competed by shoving the defender aside.
See I lack respect for fans who wouldn't admit something that is unfair
@Ayoo Hey if RVPs card was justified, what of the foul against Diaby and Wilshere in the 18 yard box? The referee never called for it. Admit it, the game was rigged. BTW, Drogba (I think it was against man U,) kicked a ball after the whistle... and he wasn't given any card.
Yet here you are Justifying a wrong call and a clearly rigged game. Looool...
Hmm imaginenof they had signed Yaya Toure, would have been different.
However, the 'dimunitive' midfielders is not the problem, Barcelona managed fine and so have many diminutive midfielders before and since like David Silva.
It is simply Wenger trusted in his younger players, and gave them the chance. He gave chances to players that other big clubs wouldn't sign. Wenger gave the chances to very inexperienced and unproven players constantly, and turned them into brilliant players.
He kept faith and made the names of Vieira, Anelka, Henry, Adebayor, Nasri, Giroud, Van Persie, Fabergas, Song & many more.
The sad thing is, his best players kept leaving before he could build a winning team... He needed to keep them and then add the few extra jigsaw pieces.. but Fabregas, Song, Adebayor, Nasri and even Van Persie all left. It is a shame.
Is is exactly their point, those players at their young age will never win you the title, when they were matured and experienced enough to win the title what happened? The club sold them and that is why Arsenal don't deserve sympathy only the fans
@@topboy2151 No, they don't deserve sympathy, they deserve respect and admiration, or at least Arsene Wenger does.
Not many clubs are more successful than Arsenal, they are in the top 2-3% of clubs worldwide.
Also, not many clubs fans get to enjoy the huge success of the Vieira years, and less enjoy seeing such talents as Henry, Bergkamp, Pires & co for several seasons at their stadium.
Even in the years of Adebayor, Van Persie, Wilshere & Giroud... Arsenal played some of the most smooth and beautiful football worldwide, and all while not being able to financially compete with mega rich owners (Chelsea/Man.City) or the top tier powerhouse clubs (Man.Utd/Barca/Real).
I suppose the shame or sympathy you refer to is, perhaps the club could have had some more success like the previous years, they came close several times. This is always going to be a hard ask, no club has the right to win and doing so with less resources is always difficult.
However, that is not the be all and end all, Wenger's reign at Arsenal evolved the english game, and the english style.of football, helped make the Premier League a global brand with Global superstars (e.g. Henry). He did this largely developing players, teaching and nurturing them. Other clubs often purchased finished articles, Wenger polished and created them.
Wenger was a blessing to Arsenal football club, a true gentleman of great character and fortitude, and a credit to the Premier League, English and world football.
The Professor is a legend of the game, and an inspirational man.
Wenger dropped out of top 4 because he lost the dynamism in midfield in his latter years. With Koscienly losing his pace and departure of mertesacker, he bought Mustafi, he bought Granit xhaka who was not an arsene wenger type of player. His poor recruitment in 3 years caused his team to fall out of top 4. Another reason is arrival of the legendary Wolfgang Frank's philosphy in premier league, "Gegenpressing" which is like an antithesis to possession football that Wenger liked. That's where he needed to adapt again.
You can't forget as well that the board were in the process of trying to build the Emirates and needed funds to do so, so selling their best players and breaking up of that team directly led to the new stadium. After that when Kroenke came in, they had a strict wage cap and outright refused to talk new contracts with their best players which led to them leaving and led to the general belief that Arsenal were not interested in titles. What Arsene was able to do was absolutely phenomenal and the only thing that could be taken away from him was his last few years when he had some bad recruitment, but he wasn't helped by the board whatsoever. David Dein leaving changed absolutely everything as well. Wenger took the fall for the boards lack of desire to make them the best club in England, which with their history, size, and fanbase, they absolutely SHOULD be.
@@StriderDSC Well, no club SHOULD be anything, it is a competitive sport, and for fans to like it, we need competition.
However, you are spot on about David Dein, and especially the boards stance afterwards.
As an exaggerated example, it's like blaming Sean Dyche for not signing Kai Havertz... Not really his fault.
Flamini-Fabregas CM partnership worked great for Arsenal in the 07/08 season. A combative Flamini with creative Fabregas, Hleb and Rosicky formed a great midfield for them with Van persie and Eduardo upfront.
Hleb and rosicky should never ever have been bought. Clear cut for me at that time and as a gooner.
Plus Arsène never had a clue when it came to defensif play at a block.
Yes he brought in sol and kolo both superb players for us but look at the whole picture. Bar Flamini we never ever had a good defensif midfielder. So the 4 defenders oftenly had to work on their own. I remember 1997 98 when Tony said that he couldn't do it anymore and that the back 4 had no protection at all from the midfield.
That was the key moment...the rest is history.
But from 2004 on this mentality was gone. No more keown no more parlour gilberto also to old. Game over. Ufortunately.
@@jeannotschumacher1024 Well, we had 2 GREAT defensive midfielder under Wenger, both of them brought us trophies. Manu Petit and Gilberto Silva. I think it was because of his obsession with possession football (to play like Barcelona), we never bought another proper defensive midfielder.
@@hon_lordthanatos absolutely agree. I loughed my socks of when i saw the main page of a "gooner" from that time titling: snow white and the 7 dwarfs.
Absolutely spot on😅
Arsenal was terrifying at Highbury. Loved watching them play at that stadium. Such a great atmosphere
invincibles were not just strong physically, they were strong mentally as well, the batch after them were not strong mentally and physically. Mental in soccer is at least as important as, if not, even more important than physical.
Mental in soccer is at least as important as, if not, even more important than physical.
Arsenal definitely had players after the invincibles who were strong mentally and physically, they just weren't the same players. Not counting Kolo Toure because he was an invincible, the only ones I can think of would be Sagna, Diaby, Wilshere and Giroud. They also didn't have enough leadership on the pitch after Vieira, Henry etc. had left.
Injury after that injury as well
@@merrymonarch injury to who?
@@andyng5321 lots of their players got injured in that time period as well
Thierry Henry - what a gentleman with his hand gesture
Arsenal and United was the Rock and Austin. 2 dominating giants.
But arsenal only won 3 league titles as compare to United manyy during Ferguson's and Wenger eraa
@Troy Krentz good times
I would say that liverpool and united are the rock and austin. Arsenal is more like undertaker and spurs is "kane". Chelsea is cena cuz everybody hates him
Lmao wish Arsenal turned heel, joined with Vince McMahon to screw Man Utd out of the championship at Wrestlemania
The Rock is the best and 🐐,so is arsenal,the invincibles
Thinking they needed a big stadium to be a big club. Highbury was special.
It's about the money. Highbury was special but tiny. Emirates holds almost double the number Highbury did.
I think Flamini was brilliant for us in that 07/08 season. He was also good in our run to the CL final in 2006.
G Nev hits the nail on the head EXACTLY what I’ve been saying since arsenal left Highbury. Why change a winning formula??
“Small weak minded players” replacing big strong leaders. This is why I hate the move because it was never about the team it was about the cash. At Highbury we were winners. Ever since it’s been small and weak.
Are you calling Fabregas a weak minded player?
Gary Neville is just upset because he's got about 8% of Cesc's talent and ability...
Caragher’s voice still cracks me up 😂
I can't speak for all Arsenal fans, but I know that after those amazing years at the start of the 2000s, losing Patrick Vieira, Pires, Bergkamp (retired), Ashley Cole, Lauren & Sol in ONE SEASON, then Thierry, Freddie & Reyes going in the next season... I don't think I've ever forgiven the club for giving up like that.
Since then, the acquisition of average players became a thing and we began to set our sites lower than they were. We know you can't just go and get a Patrick or Thierry, obviously, but to not even try was gut-wrenching for sure, especially when - as they said, Utd were improving, Chelsea were improving, etc.
It was at that time the board showed their priorities - almost as if they said "well we've done that now, so the fans'll be happy - let's see how much value we can get out of these guys now" and became top 4 merchants to get the UCL money. Problem is, when you aim for 4th instead of 1st, you can falter out of that top 4, and now we are where we are: on a downward slope.
Here's hoping that Arteta can make it right.
Spot on 🔴⚪
Exactly. Forget about replacing Vieira and Henry. Not replacing Lehman, Campbell makes me angry the most. FFS we had Almunia in goal and Senderos, Djourou, Squillaci in CB. A decent gk, cb didn't cost 50m back in those days. Could have addressed that position with 15m in total. I respect father Wenger but I will not forgive him for not addressing the weak areas of the team.
@Adam Dunkley
Vieira left a season before Bergkamp, Cashley, Campbell, Lauren & Pires.
The Invincibles remind me of Monaco's team in 2016 (Bakayoko, Lemar, Silva, Mendy and of course Mbappe)
They were promising, in UCL's semi-finals and could have been the best team in Europe for the next 5 years. But then, all of them left the club...
Imagine if Diaby stayed fit.... I used to be scared every time he went in for a tackle
Not only him mate Many of our important players were injured
In a nutshell, weak characters who didn't want to put in the elbow grease, players who went missing at crucial times were the guys who embodied Wenger's final decade at the club
Well said
@@jammydodger6932 not the money? Alex Song? Abou Diaby? Gilberto (stayed there for a little).
THE WALKING BLUES The whole team tbh. UCL campaigns under Wenger were terrible. That 15/16 season after Xmas was disgraceful. At the very least they turned up in the fa cup and gave Wenger a few more trophies🤷🏽♂️ still not good enough though
I don’t even think it’s that. It’s about money at the end of the day wenger never had a strong team at the new stadium there will always 2 or 3 stars that carried the whole team but around was dog shit if wenger had half the budget of Chelsea or city he would have won many Leuges
@@MESSI-fx1ob I agree. Of course, it's speculation, but it's not far-fetched because he was always getting Arsenal in the top 4 with an anemic budget.
There was a lot of issues following this season...the change of the stadium, issues with upper management, the growing need for financial prowess, the loss of Jeremy Lynch...they all came together
Gary Neville still salty after Reyes nutmegged him twice in a game, and ran circles around him in the charity shield same year. #RIPReyes
Anniversary of the Battle of Old Trafford (2003) when Keown shouted in RVN's face
What's happened at Arsenal over the past 14 years has been disgraceful.
True.. Only if we have a owner that is interested in football and not NFL then we will be able to challenge for the League Title again.. The Kroenke are trash.. Arsenal deserved a better owner
Banter FC 😂😂😂
Thierry really trying to put Cesc Fàbregas signing and implementation to our midfield is lazy interpretation tbh.
2020 was a good year for Arsenal
It’s changing now it’s a new era with Arteta
Thierry Henry and Ronaldinho are by far my favorite living football legends, they are the reason I fell in love with football in the first place, they are part of my childhood... Henry should have won at least one or two ballon d'or in the 2003 and 2004 seasons, he was so unique and underrated back then, he was almost unstoppable and genuinely a very good all-rounder authentic player. ☯️✌️
Diaby was probably the closest player in the mould of Vieira that Wenger bought in. The problem was due to the style of play Wengers teams had and the attitude refs and teams had towards us, damn near all of our players was getting long term injuries on a regular basis. ‘Arsenal don’t like it up em’ was the term, like what team does? Teams would purposely go hard in the tackles on us to stop us playing. Ramsey, Walcott, Van Persie, Ox, Wilshere, Rosicky, Eduardo, Diaby, Cazorla, Coquelin, Koscielny, Vermealen etc all experienced this. How can you win the league if your key players are constantly out injured for months because of this problem?
You might be right.
Noble Arch it’s true, this was well known. Ever since Man Utd kicked us off the park at Old Trafford ending the undefeated run (only God knows how United didn’t escape with 8-9 men on the pitch that night), this was a regular occurrence.
‘The only way to stop Arsenal is to kick Arsenal’ - Arsene Wenger after Eduardo’s career ruining injury in Birmingham 2008.
Such a true point no one talks about this.. the refs really hated and bullied us a lot at arsenal after some key players left.
dozz87 man, I don’t even need to go into it with you. A former Stoke player even admitted this recently. That was the aim of many teams in the league at that time.
Diaby never had Vieira’s aggression or leadership
My friend's opinion (a life long arsenal fan) was that Arsenal's transfers were never the same quality after David Dein was forced out. Dein was the one who was the deal maker and responsible for transfers, he left in 2007. Dein was the major factor in Wenger being appointed as manager. The transfers profile changed after Dein left. Your Director of Football in all but name being vice chairman and in charge of transfers.
“Turned Arteta into a midfield player”
“Played Ramsey in midfield when he’s a wide player”
Is Neville good? I’m sure Arteta always played midfield and Ramsey was pushed out onto the wing but was always naturally a midfielder
Funny how Neville can't get his head around anything. But it makes sense looking at his coaching career.
I don't think it was solely about money. The main problem was as henry said Wenger changed his game mentality completely just because of hw good fabregas was. He removed physicality in one of the qualities of a good player.
This would have never happened if Arsenal board hadn’t wasted the money on a new stadium
Nah, Kroenke should have dug deep into his pocket so that the issues of the stadium did not affect our spending. his stingyness has cost us BIG time.
4:10 The template is money. Jose was a chequebook manager
I wasn’t sure if Partey should be our priority over someone more creative, but this helped change my mind. if Arsenal could replace lacazette and sign zaha (nelson going the other way) then i’d take that. sign max aarons if bellerin leaves - would be a good investment. give willian and smith rowe ozil’s role this season and replace him once his contract expires next summer. we’ve made a net profit this window so surely we need to start investing properly like every other pl club?
This is good and all but Kroenke needs to take his finger off his arse
Not a Wenger fan, but that man didn't get the respect he deserves bcoz of some stupid AFTV fans(troopz, DT, ...).
I believe no other managers could do what he had done during those difficult years.
I doubt those stupid people would become arsenal fans if it's not for Wenger 🤦♂️
For me Wenger gets far too much respects. The team and players Wenger had including the invincible team was one of the best in the world in one of the biggest clubs in the world at the time. Final result 3 league wins in 22 years and zero european trophies. For me that is unacceptable result.
Wenger clinged on to his postion for 2-3 years longer.....his style of play wasn't up to the mark anymore.....if u see ferguson left Man Utd at the right time.....Wenger just clinged on to his position for too long.......As an arsenal fan i consider Wenger the best manager the world has ever seen......but i believe at the end he left the club in a worst position than he had found it.......
logirex yes ! but how are you gonna win the European tropies with all those players after the 03/04 season ? They did have a few relevant players like Cesc, Van Persie, Rosicky, Nasri, and Sanchez but thats it. The others were not at the level to carry the team to the top to win European trophies.
Very disrespectful comment, they are not stupid. They were rightfully angry and frustrated at failure. We consistently made the same mistakes and we never improved.
Dubem Udemezue How many respectful anger did they show towards wenger ? I don't have any obligation to respect them(disrespectful pack of barking dogs) anyhow 🤦♂️
They had a great team in 07/08...they really should have won the league... And thats coming from a United fan... They were so effecient but there were a couple of key injuries that distabilized them at a key time...Flamini was excellent that year... He then left on a free...
Exactly. Arsène never had estime for him . Tells you all. No real clue about the importance of a defense.
4:01 Response To Carragher --> ruclips.net/video/LqByGaNzP-k/видео.html (3:21)
How Arsene kept them at Top 4 all those years, blows your mind doesn't it. Dont know what u have until he's gone but for a player/captain who played under him to bring them back up is passing on the torch and legacy in itself. would be a great story
Watching Jamie and Henry next to each other reminds me of the time Henry almost broke his back without even touching him where Arsenal won 4-2 against Liverpool
what's happened has happened, we as Arsenal fans can see some light under Mikel and we can see young players coming in, the mentality changing, and of course the rebuild takes years, but if there is any club that can go ahead and do that it is arsenal in our own and beautiful way. COYG!!
Henry top 10 footballer of all time.
Change my mind.
Sebastian Elytron I will not change your mind
Pele, maradona, zidane, cruyff, ronaldo, Cronaldo, Messi, Ronaldinho, Zlatan. 9 who are better than him for sure. Tenth is debatable. I'd put xavi, iniesta, roberto carlos, Raul, Figo over him. Probably top 15 undebatable for me.
@@Unusedname1234 don't get me wrong, Zlatan is phenomenal. But Thierry Henry is a vastly better player than Ibra
Nick Wee Henry >>> Zlatan
Pele, Garrincha, Didi, Di Stefano, Puskas, Eusebio, Riva, Moore, Charlton, Facchetti, Yashin, Best, Cruyff, Krol, van Henegem, Neeskens, Maier, Beckenbauer, Muller, Netzer, Breitner, Dalglish, Passarella, Zico, Scirea, Platini, Zoff, Maradona, van Basten, Gullit, Matthaus, Baresi, Maldini, Romario, Redondo, Ronaldo, Cafu, Rivaldo, Cannavaro, Thuram, Zidane, Nesta, Buffon, Ronaldinho, Riquelme, Casillas, Pirlo, Xavi, Iniesta, Eto’o, Marcelo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi
Thierry Henry always brings the quality analysis.
Henry has exactly the some voice as Auba!
Arsenal would’ve won the 07/08 Premier League title if Eduardo didn’t suffer a broken leg. Completely changed their season.
All retrospective insights. AFC was so close to winning the league in 2007-08 season - almost looked like runaway winner until a series of crazy events just made them lose their way in the final 5-6 games. These guys would have had a completely different discussion then. And yes, Cesc was great in that season.
We were never gonna be runaway winners though, Man Utd and Chelsea were too good for that to happen. Look who contested the Champions League final that season: Man Utd and Chelsea. We may have been 5 points clear in February but a couple of draws and they were right back in it, and of course we still had to go to Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge. We lost both those games 2-1 when we only lost one other game all season. We just drew a few too many games, that was the problem, that's all it took for Man Utd and Chelsea to finish above us.
And it’s only that Arsenal have signed a proper CDM who can consistently deliver good performances in Declan Rice and look what the team is doing this season! Couldn’t agree more with Neville, fantastic analysis, can’t argue with it because it’s a fact. Can’t go from Vieira, Petit & Gilberto and expect to still win the league, it’s clear that Wenger tried to copy Barcelona. Big difference is that those Barcelona players wouldn’t have been admit to dominate week in and out in the premier league
England problem at every level is putting physically along side ability and teamwork
This video is unreal. All 3 of them lads having a great conversation with no bias. gg
Even way before the invincibles in 2001 arsenal had to pay for the land for the new stadium. Arsenal were never at any point one of the biggest spenders in England or Europe so wenger deserves alot of respect. However the destruction of the invincibles team in 2 years is one of the biggest crimes in sports history. Very sad we couldn't build on that and keep players
Between them, the three pundits identified: limited signing fees, the potential of Fabregas, and poor talent evaluation (Neville) as reasons why Arsenal did not sustain its success from Arsene's first 10 years as manager. But there's more to it, and you mention player transfers. How many of those players that left from 2005-2007 were sold, and how many accepted better offers when their contracts were up?
Neville has no clue what he was talking about, Cesc was probably the best player in the league next to Drogba, of course that the team is going to be built through him. Plus they never signed player with Viera type, or any quality defensive midfielder. Things I blame Wenger the most, is signing Xhaka instead of Kante, that's his biggest mistake of his career. Arsenal downfall began with signing Ozil, instead of Hazard, another mistake that Wenger made. Signing mustafi instead of anyone else, playing Mertesacker, plaaying monreal, that was horrible to watch.
Wow, have you seen the club badges in the background 😬 this was a low time for the premier league as most of that lot are now back in the championship where they belong. The premier league is so much stronger nowadays 💪
Losing Vieira, Ashley Cole, Bergkamp, and the last thread in Gilberto, that was the last of the great Arsenal teams.
The thing is we lost our backbone in defence and midfield. Our attack has always been stellar, end Wenger era and post Wenger. But our defence and midfield has been lacking. It’s as easy as that.
We sold iwobi for 35m. Let that sink in, when you see the signings arsenal did during 04-09
Who !!
Wenger still in Highbury, with the old board, would have rewritten the last 10 years of his tenure.
They moved stadium and are owned by Americans known for happily maintaining their league status rather than investing for progression.
The *WengerOut* brigade blamed the wrong person, he became the scapegoat
None of you guys have the right to talk about Arsenal wenger look at Henry and Neville managerial careers and carragher he is scared to get in to management....
Love to hear Henry talk he knowns his stuff
Highbury had a different feel!!
Alberto no it’s not a super market
Pandurang I bet you have never been to a game..
I'm a Chelsea fan. Sadly never got a chance to go to Highbury. I miss traditional grounds like that. Not many left these days. In away I'm happy our Stamford Bridge development has been put on hold.
Say what you want Gary but Eduardo was a top striker,fantastic finisher,and only reason he didn't became a Premier League legend is that horiffic leg injury...
He had 4 PL goals before that injury. Cristiano was on 19 PL goals at that point in the season.
@@cddb5408 you missed my point,Arsenal were top of the table prior to his injury,you can see for yourself.
Losing him for the rest of the season was a massive blow for the team.
Check his goals for Croatia,such a shame what happened.
@@Cro17st They were narrowly top. But 1 week before that game they should've had what 4 red cards vs ManUtd in the FAcup 4-0 to ManUtd game, they only received 1 and he (Eboue) was the only player who got a suspension because the FA didn't even give the likes of Gallas, Flamini suspensions after that game despite looking at replays.
I think if they'd missed some key players for a few games after that and kept Eduardo they would've dropped the same amount of points if not more.
Part of the problem was resting on their laurels and that started with Wenger. Where as Fergie and United had that mentality of moving on to the next challenge I feel as if Wenger; as great as he was, was almost content with that unbeaten season. Once the run came to an end (which it was going to do eventually) there wasnt much of a plan B. Couple that with the disbanding of the squad (average age of 28 in May 2004) for the youth project it gradually went wrong...
Wrong.
The CL final against Barca changed everything, Wenger was obsessed with small nimble players instead of the physically dominant ones that Chelsea, City and currently even Bayern have in their squads.
@@theyeking7023 so whats your hypothesis then?
Wenger bought a stadium, reached a cl final ,kept us in cl for the next 12 years and won three fa cups. This has no correlation with your assertion that Wenger was content with the invincibles and softened up.
@@theyeking7023 you're already missing the whole point. Have you even read the title of the video? The question at hand is what happened to the Invincibles? Why you're bringing FA cups which took place a decade after, i'm not too sure. What did Arsenal win in the few years post invincibles? 1 FA cup. Yes the stadium played a part, but as we've seen that was soul-selling process so I have no sympathy when it comes to that
sheesh. never thought about it like this before. but i have to agree with Thienry . . . Cesc changed the look the team and all the players bought were of that physical build
Arsenal sold all the winners and replaced them with utter shit that was the problem. We get rid of Cole, Lauren, Sol and Toure and brought in defenders who couldnt defend. We lost Vieira and Gilberto who were rocks, we lost Pires and Ljungberg who could score and make goals and never replaced them.
Read Wenger autobiography he explains the money crunch. The banks wanted surety first rule salary was to be 50 percent at most of clubs budget. Wenger needed to sign a 5 year deal as the banks wanted him. 2008 housing market crashed while Arsenal was building the stadium. David Dean leaving the club, current owner becomes majority stockholder and changes the culture to more of a business then a football club
Also, Arsenal didn't keep on the legends at the club and therefore young and up and coming players were not so much encouraged to join.
Man U had CL legends like Giggs and Scholes and Neville to look up to who were still at the club post 30 years old and be in awe of for young and up and coming players such as Ronaldo.
Very true I agree
Facts which annoys me abt Wenger which ppl who doesn't understand the club y we get frustrated y he didn't have players still at the club with that winning mentality that we lost
@@BestInTheWorld13x Vieira wanted management but went to City. Adams wanted management badge. Keown wad a colossal figure for us but instead we had Bould as defensive yes man coach.
I remember Giggs at 34 played at right back for Man U and got MOM with great performance. Arteta doing right by bringing in experienced heads to help the team.
Wenger = floored genius...love him nevertheless
@@thegreatiam6849 yh facts just annoys me cuz the amount of times we could've won the league even when we should've won a CL at least once and the fact Chelsea did b4 us was a disgrace.
@@BestInTheWorld13x oh the pain of Chelsea winning CL before us (dont remind me) and the joy that the Spuds lost in the CL final...
Can't hate Wenger, with finances lower than his big competitors he consistently managed to finish the league in a spot which got them into the Champions league
This irony hurts so much because this is exactly what United need right now, some balls with central defence midfielders and centre backs
Arsene Wenger built the team to play the way he felt the team suited the best. The reason Wenger changed formation was because he felt his players were more suited to the new 4.3.3 formation. Wenger didnt have his own special way that his team had to play, he set his teams up to suit the players he had.
I think the 08 season was really unfortunate, shouldve won the league that season and made a good effort at the champions league until a certain cr7 destroyed us. If we won the league that year it wouldve really helped the rebuild
@@agentbuizel9875 Yes. Plus could of easy won 06 Champions leauge vs Barca which would of been massive for Arsenal. Feel like that was were everything started to go downhill.
Jackie Moon banter club HAHAHAAH 20 league 3 champions leagues
@@humayraayusuf2690 Okay then?? Weirdo
Arsene Wenger got us top 4 and fa cups... even with average squads without spending much....
I am saying give that team to any manager... specially Pep he won't be able to do it
The development of Rooney and Ronaldo at united and Terry and Lampard at Chelsea were also huge reasons. 4 players who went on to be the best in the league for the next 5 seasons all signed before arsenals invincibles
True, apart from Rooney who was signed the summer just after the Invincibles season finished.
@@ashleythomas4112 knowledge
That was my frustration during those years at Arsenal. Why not replace, Vieira, Petit, Gilberto... Why?
No money
Money was the main problem
Mine too
Gary Neville's analysis that they needed to buy tough powerful players doesn't hold water. Barca 2010-11 dominated football with a team made up mostly of small players. If you look at that list the problem was a combination of bad luck and us not being able to compete financially:
Eduardo - Was playing well and got injured
Rosicky - Same
Nasri - Left for more money
Flamini- Left for more money
Hleb - Left for more money
Ramsey - Injury
The rest were quality but just didn't have enough quality players around them
A clueless boy like Gary criticising Arsene Wengers pedigree 😂😂😂 kill me now
Greatest prem player of all time
Deluded
Greatest player the premier league have i ever seen the king henry
@@avikarsewpersad9856 It was Emile Heskey right?
@@avikarsewpersad9856 *Deluded* - the only word you know.
What’s happened to arsenal is happening to Man U. Once you have a elite team and those players retire and you can’t replace because they were that good you are in trouble. The same reflection is happening at Barcelona without xavi and iniesta
AC Milan after Maldini, Pirlo, Kaka, etc.
Realist Gooner in the premier league you had the money teams also and that happened to them also, look at Chelsea when mourinho was in the door for the first 2 seasons and Man City with pep. It always comes to the end and I think Man City will head in that direction to
Arsenal was always near the top during the so called last ten years of Wenger. Arsenal was almost always the best team in the league for a half season. Arsenal had lost his best players for big money spenders and did not get enough protection from the tough league for their proper football. Wenger was a genius and he lost it at the end due to his principles.
The problem started from the time Stan kronke bought club the other 4 clubs spent more money on transfers over the years and slowly overtook arsenal whilst Stan showed no ambition.
Something Manchester United are slowly realising in recent years and feeling the effects of bad owners
They put up that noteable signing list as if those players weren't absolute ballers and capable of guiding a team to glory. Hleb, Cesc , Nasri, Reyes, Rosicky, Sagna were all world class in their prime. The biggest problem wasn't the change in the profile of player we were signing the problem was that we could never keep a team together. When we challenged for the title in 07-08 we had a great team but then Hleb and Flamini left that summer and Hleb in particular was absolutely crucial in the way we played that season.
A big component of Arsenal's lack of success was showing a gross neglect to the goalkeeping and centre back positions. We needed to replace Lehmann with someone better than Almunia who was one of the major reasons we capitulated at the end of the 07/08 season and we also failed to replace Sol Campbell and Ashley Cole adequately. We dropped the ball big time by letting Ashley Cole leave as he would have been the bridge between the old era and new era. He was a leader through and through and would have been our captain for the rest of his career. We should have paid him whatever he wanted instead of low balling him. You think Cole would have given away a penalty in the last minute against Birmingham the way Clichy did in 07/08? People underestimate how catastrophic it was for Arsenal FC to lose Cole. The straight swap with Gallas might have been one of the worse bits of transfer business in the history of football.
The last of anything good arsenal produced was 2006 in the champions league final after that it went downhill Henry went Pires went Bergkamp went and we replaced all those players with teenagers with no experience. We had no strength we traded hard-core experience for a team with better cardio .. we never stood a chance against the other clubs
Lmao anyone else looking at that Liverpool team on the screen and remembering just how bang average we use to be 😂😂😂
98 mil net spent compared to the other teams with 250+ mil lol, the type of players brought in were because AW believed in youth development more period. We were never going to win the league or reach top 6 after buying the stadium for at least the next 5-6 years but AW managed to get arsenal in the top 4 every with the squads he's had. Till this day there hasn't been a midfielder like Patrick Viera in the world or football. So I still don't understand why people keep talking about replacing him lol.
Henry said it all. Investing in the stadium was the beginning of Arsenal long term problem. It affected their transfers, hence they couldn't buy the best of the best
But they were still doing great. Just needed a player like Vieiera to play alongside Fabregas to win the league
It was mostly down to losing steel in midfield. In the space of 12 months they lost Vieira, Edu, Gilberto Silva and Flamini. Without that shield their defense shipped in a lot of goals, and Wenger never really got back a defensive midfield solidity.
You’re bugging edu, vieira left 2005 and silva and flamini left 2008.
Cesc wasn’t the problem. I remember when he signed for Barcelona, I saw an arsenal highlight of cesc passes to his arsenal forwards. Countless assists lost, so many shots squandered. Adebayor was average. Had they signed ONE absolute world class forward to work with rvp, they would’ve lasted longer. A shame cescs best years were wasted.
Arsenal used to lose 3-4 goals every game for shitty finishing. If those shots converted fabregas would've been the best midfielder of all time with assist at least doubled from every other player. Rvp was a sitter too shame
Rosicky would have made it into the invincibles. He was an incredible player.
Diaby should have been the guy- his injuries were a real tragedy; Arsene once said he was the first name on the France national team sheet when he was fully fit. They did also try and bring in a few players with a bit of tenacity, who never quite made the grade, on a limited budget for a nominal fee or on loan- Baptista eventually came on loan from Real after they had first attempted to reinvest the Vieira fee by signing him as a direct replacement from Sevilla, there was also Denilson, Coquelin etc. brought in cheaply and speculatively while still raw, there were also a few youngsters like Frimpong and Muamba that they knew had a half chance of making the grade, and there was also Song who was another brought in for a nominal fee and developed, proved he had a little bit about him, then due to those continuing cash constraints they ultimately sold to Barcelona when he was getting good.
I love how he looked at G Neville and said you guys kept upgrading. And he did not look at loserpool Carragher because they were shit in EPL 😂😂😂
What about now? Liverpool just pissed the league whereas United are huffing and puffing with their PE teacher
What Ferguson did in 2006-07 was masterful, he sold van Nistelrooy and bought Carrick; suddenly his team got its balanced back and were winning the league again. He followed up with Tevez, Nani and Anderson... upgrading indeed. Meanwhile Benitez signed Kuyt but used him as a winger; signed Torres but surrounded him with dubious signings and got rid of Bellamy and Voronin quickly after realizing they were not up to it. So Benitez was never able to build a fully functional XI the way Wenger, Mourinho and Ferguson did, not helped by his penny-pinching Texas owners but also by his own poor judgement.
These days it is the reverse. Klopp is constantly upgrading his team in the right areas whereas United and Ole... no comments needed really.
Yes we were. The current manager wouldn't spend his time in a team that don't want to win. This guy (Klopp) will improve the team and keeps reigning in PL
@This is the best name i could come up with How could they be a one season wonder if they won the league last season and the CL the season before that? Also, Liverpool have always had one of the largest fanbases in the world you're acting like they're gloryhunters.
@@bikramarora1819 nah... You can't denying a lot of glory hunters are swarming around Liverpool rn
Wenger obviously had to prioritize every transfer window, hence he chose the players that were key to his attacking philosophy. For example, when we signed Ozil, we brought in Yaya Sanogo & Flamini. The options: Suarez (Failed), Ozil, Di Maria, Benzema (maybe) - we could only sign one. We also tried to get Demba Ba on loan, Mourinho blocked the move after we signed Ozil). Even when we lost 8-2 (go and look at the starting lineup on the day), we had to wait till we beat Udinese in UCL qualifiers before we signed Arteta, Per, Santos, Park Chu Young, and Benayoun on loan.
Wenger lost his job when we signed Xhaka, Mustafi, and Perez. He preferred Vardy, Kante, Mahrez, and Manolas, when none worked out, we signed Mustafi & Perez (Fans pressure got to him towards the end (in the past, he’d rather go into a season with Djourou or a 5ft tall defender from the academy at center half than sign Mustafi - he tried to ship Mustafi at the end of his first season to Inter btw. That year, most of our rivals did better in the transfer market and till date we have been unable to make up the ground we lost.
If you had to pick, it makes sense to pick the most important one; if we added Vardy, Kante, Mahrez to a squad that had Ozil, Cazorla, and Sanchez at their prime, we would have won the league. On a positive note, we should be thankful he signed Aubameyang and not Lemar.
Since he left we have been horrible in the transfer market; last season was hilarious; we let technical players, senior players and players with EPL experience leave (Cech, Ramsey, Iwobi, Mikhitarian, Koscienly, Monreal, Elneny) and we were left with (Pepe, Ceballos, Martinelli, Reiss Nelson, Willock, Tierney, Saka - players that had never played in the EPL) and David Luiz.
Hopefully with our newly found solidity, we can add better players (Mari, Cedric, Gabriel, Ceballos, El neny) so far. We definitely need one or two great ones. Especially when you consider the players the clubs that finished in the top four have signed from January till date.
Just look the name of the stadium they left: Highbury. A name representing power and a fortress. Compare that with the name of the new stadium: Emirates, which just represents a foreign country run by a dictator. Add that insult to the selling of their best players, the invincibles, and you understand the suicidal action of Arsenal.
I have always believed it was moving from Highbury, but it needed work each year and so you have to move but Highbury had that magic and it stayed when they left
Is that the legendary Benteke up top for Liverpool lol
The man, the MYTH, THE *LEGEND*
The striker using the word very loosely who scores every one hundred match's ... Still getting paid handsomely as well.
@@thetruthk5138 I'd use the word striker loosely to. The proper word is Lord
@@jamesduffy7549 *daddy
Wenger inherited George Grahams defence.When they aged Arsenal went backwards quickly.Wenger never knew how to build a defence.They were a pushover physically.
He changed his philosophy because of European football. And it was somewhat successful as they made champions league finals, semi finals a few times. But the problem was goal keeper and defence, and not keeping our best players. Fabregas, Nasri, Flamini, Hleb, Adebyor, Clichy, Sangna. Then injuries to Diaby, Eduardo, didn't help. But I think Vieira should have had another season also.
Neville: "I can't think of a word to describe that bunch.."
Yes he did, they were cheap.
Cheap AND weak.