There is actually something you forgot to mention for Pokkén, as when you fight Shadow Mewtwo for the first time, Nia says she checked the Cinnibar Island logs on Mewtwo, thus confirming the Team Rocket one does exist in that timeline
@@TheZeroNeonix Not necessarily, because Nia just checked the info, she didn't find Mewtwo herself. It would moreso depend on "when" Anne had her Mewtwo encounter, as well as timeline placement (this could be before Let's Go thus making TR's Mewtwo possible, or after LG which in turns means this has to be the Mewtwo from Oblivia because Chase/Elaine would've caught TR's Mewtwo by then).
In theory, there should only be one (per universe) with few exceptions: Mainline games - This holds true. Mewtwo could have simply migrated from Kanto to Kalos in order to get stronger and harness the power of Mega Evolution. Spinoff games (like Pokemon Ranger, Pokken) - are non-canon and/or take place in alternate timelines. It's possible multiple Mewtwos and legendaries exist in the spinoffs. Adventures Manga - Refutes the idea that there is only one Mewtwo and it did travel to become the guardian of the hidden Pokemon village in Kalos, but was the original Kantonian Mewtwo. Anime - There are two canonical Mewtwo(s?). One created by Team Rocket in the first movie, has a second appearance in the Johto arc, and a final appearance in the Journeys Arc. Mewtwo #1 is potentially male and cannot Mega Evolve. As for the 2nd Mewtwo, it debuted in late Generation 5 and had only once appearance in the Genesect Movie (and tie-in special episodes). Mewtwo #2 was created by an unknown organization (possibly Team Plasma), is potentially female, and can Mega Evolve into its Mega Y variant. As for how this is possible, it seems that the creators of the 2nd Mewtwo got hold of the data of the creation of the original Mewtwo, which is implied but not confirmed.
Regarding anime, I am not 100% persuaded that Mewtwo in Journeys is the same as the one that appeared in Kanto and Johto saga, despite Bulbapedia stating it is. Mewtwo in Johto is clearly the same one that was created by Team Rocket, as there are many references to the first movie in Mewtwo Returns and also that Mewtwo clearly recognized Ash and his friends. Mewtwo in Journeys, however, shows no recognition of Ash. Also its behaviour is quite different than the one in previous appearances. The only prove shown by Bulbapedia admins is some promo material in the talk page, which is dubious to say the least. Mew in Journeys is considered different than the one in first movie, so, why not Mewtwo? I don't say it can't be the same Mewtwo as in Kanto and Johto saga, but there's enough little tidbits that make me doubtful it is. If the team in Unova was able to create their own Mewtwo, couldn't another group did the same? It sure is possibility within the anime world, isn't it?
@@petrnovak7235 I think the idea was to keep Mewtwo's previous encounters with Ash vague as the Pokemon anime is fluid with its continuity (I mean Ash is still practically 10 years old and never ages). To keep things inclusive to newer Pokemon fans, you can totally start watching the anime directly from the start of Journeys and not feel lost. However, the series had a lot of throwbacks to earlier seasons and was kind-of a "greatest hits" of Ash's overall Pokemon journey. So technically, you can interpret Mewtwo from Journeys any way you want, but for myself who grew up on the original series (Kanto & Johto), that's THE Mewtwo from the first movie. In all honesty, I question the canonicity of the Unovan Mewtwo, to me it never existed because the idea of two/multiple Mewtwos makes very little sense. It's even theoretically implied that the movies may or may not happen canonically with the TV show timeline (minus the first two movies which have direct tie-ins to the TV show).
@@scro910 Yup, because it's a fictional TV show where nothing makes sense, inconsistencies fly left and right, and the protagonist is an idiotic 10 year old that never ages. So logic and facts don't really carry much weight. Everyone's entitled to their own head canon and theories and can enjoy the series the way they want to. But we love the series anyways.
@@Axecon1 Well, there is a special that connects the Unova Mewtwo with the main show through Virgil, the guy that won the Unova League Championship, with Ash, Iris and Cilan also appearing at the end of that special, being pointed to the movie location by Professor Oak. Though, I personally wish the whole BW saga was not a cannon, for how they treated Ash and not just him, I can't force myself to make that kind of headcannon 😅
I don't think that room in the Sky Fortress was designed specifically for Mewtwo, more it was a repurposed room. The chamber Mewtwo is kept in is clearly clean metal and glass while the surrounding room is made of stone covered in moss and cracks. While this doesn't exclude the idea that it is a different Mewtwo to the one seen in Kanto/Johto, the reasoning of one existing in the past doesn't really work. The big thing with Guardian Signs is that we don't know exactly when it takes place. We know Ranger 1 is implied to take place after Emerald's events via references to Groudon and Kyogre having wounds from a recent fight, and Ranger 2 takes place after 1, and 3 after 2 given the progression with the technology relating to Capture Stylers. We just don't know the exact time between each of the games. But it's likely that at this point, Ranger 3 is quite a few years after Kanto and Johto, making it possible to be the same Mewtwo Meanwhile, Let's Go has so many continuity issues with the rest of the franchise that trying to slot it in just doesn't seem worth the effort as there's so much to reconcile with the other games in the franchise.
Ranger 3 references the protagonist from Ranger 2 (who wasn't a ranger before the events of ranger 2) so ranger 3 has to have happened after ranger 2. There's also 2 characters (murph and professor hastings) that appear in all 3 ranger games without appearing significantly older between the games, so I'd say there'd be at most 10 years between the events of ranger 1 and ranger 3. But that could definitely be enough time for a mewtwo to travel around a bunch between regions
It doesn't really change anything significant, but it's worth pointing out that there's a pretty good likelihood that Red canonically did catch Mewtwo in FRLG and then simply released it as he only wanted it to fill out its slot in the Pokedex, which would explain why he doesn't have it and it's still capturable in Cerulean Cave. The reason this is relevant is because Red's primary objective was filling out the Kanto Pokedex, something we know he was completely obsessed with as he was willing to search far and wide for any potential obscure Pokemon and eventually even ended up on Mt. Silver, presumably training up his team in the harsh climate of the summit or searching for the mythical Mew which Red did know to exist as he went through the Cinnibar Mansion. Red learned all about Mewtwo and it being a clone of Mew.
Thing to remember with Pokemon canon is that not everything the player does is a canonically true event, we often only get to learn what the canon is in later games. For example I fully believe that majority of the protagonist do not actually become the league champions Gold doesn't canonically beat Red, as otherwise he'd be a lot more present as a character ^^ In Gen 5 you can meet Cynthia, who will say that the player reminds her of the gen 4 protagonist, but when you get her to her last Pokémon she does mention not remembering the last time anyone pushed her this far - meaning that Dawn canonically either never made it to Cynthia or lost the fight before Cynthia had to use her ace Funnily enough, my personal favourite champion - Leon - despite in canon being the strongest champion is one of the very few champions that we do canonically know lost ( And I do wish this at least meant we would get Gloria in other games ) So yeah, generally speaking we can not assume Red caught MewTwo unless we see him use it - even of we assume that Red completed the pokedex, this doesn't have to include a man made aberration that Oak doesn't know about. In later games, filling the pokedex is just busy work given to all trainers to have fun with, Cynthia does mention the times she was running around filling the pokedex herself, but again we shouldn't assume this means every trainer caught every legendary Pokémon ^^
I must say that the holding chamber for Mewtwo in Pokemon ranger does not necessarily mean that a Mewtwo was created thousands of years ago. It simply means that they construted the containment chamber for a pokemon roughly on the level of Mewtwo, but it might as well have been Mew, Deoxys or a member of the lake trio.
I think the intended logic is that in each game where a legendary exists they are either not caught canonically or if the trainer catches it they release it back into the wild at some point, hence why legendaries sometimes appear in completely different regions
Don’t forget Pokémon loves undercooked time travel stories. It’s possible the mewtwo in Ranger could be from modern era, and was simply transported back in time and locked away in the Sky castle thingy.
@@imperlast2 that would be a cool headcanon for versus mode to not break continuity. Shadow Mewtwo being the ancient one and normal from being Rocket's
Personally, the thing I think is overlooked is the existence of Mewtwonite at all. For a Pokemon that’s supposed to be artificial to get not only one, but TWO mega stones, something not artificially manufacturable (as far as we know) tells me that Mewtwo as a species is much less artificial than it seems. Perhaps anyone that tries to replicate mew unnaturally creates Mewtwo on default, explaining the anime having multiple, the ancient rangers Mewtwo, and more. Any who fail to clone Mew create a ditto, any who succeed generate a Mewtwo as a sort of DNA failsafe. I personally chalk the Kalos Mewtwo up to being created based on experimentation on the Mewtwonites, trying to reverse engineer the species that is attached to the stone. As such it could’ve been Team Flare’s fault using Lysander’s funds before they uncovered Xerneas or Yveltal respectively. I think this largely because the Mewtwo seen in Kanto already thinks itself the strongest life form, and thus would have little reason to travel all the way to Kalos. The only explanation for why it would leave in my mind is that Red beat it to prove himself and get the Dex entry then released Mewtwo, making it feel unsafe and find a new home in Kalos where it acquires the Mewtwonite. This doesn’t explain it returning to Kanto though, unless it decided to seek out Red for a rematch…in which case it wouldn’t be hiding in its cave again. TLDR: Artifical Pokemon having a mega stone is weird and you have to go through more logical leaps to explain Mewtwo region hopping to be in future games than to just assume one of the numerous evil teams made a second one that they couldn’t control
In the animated series Pokemon Origins (which is more directly based on the games than the main anime), Mr Fuji is the one who gave Red his Mega Keystone and Charizardite. Being the man who created Mewtwo, the implication seems to be that he was studying the Mega Stones to create the Mewtwonites.
Mewtwo is created with the DNA of Mew, who's a common ancestor of most Pokémon. Instead of thinking "How did they create a stone that resonates with a species that doesn't exist?" consider that Mewtwo might have just resonated with the stones, and they were named after it later.
The stones are all artificially created, why else are they specific to certain Pokemon regardless? Mewtwo is not natural, we literally already know the origins of Mewtwo - it's a clone of Mew, it is literally artificial. This would propose the same force that created megastones was made to create Mewtwo's megastones as well.
I think the anime has canonically 2 mewtwo. 1 created by team rocket (og with male voice) and 1 created by team plasma years later (female voice), together with the genesect. The rockets mewtwo used Blaine's (human male) DNA combined with mew to create mewtwo. Team plasma most likely used a females DNA with mewtwo thinking that would be better since team rockets mewtwo went rogue.
Don't think too hard about Team Plasma Mewtwo. The script was pretty clearly written under the assumption it would be the same Mewtwo as the first movie. It turned out that Takeshi Shudo retained a bunch of rights to the first three movies and the characters introduced in it, so they had to give it a distinct voice and tack on a scene that established it as a different Mewtwo. The Pokemon Company ultimately ended up just buying up those rights in order to make the CGI remake, which is why Movie 1 Mewtwo starts appearing again in the last season of the show.
Smash Bros is multiverse/timeline shenanigans. You can have four Red and four Leaf fight against each other, meaning at least four alternate timelines are being accessed for Pokemon specifically, which would make these Mewtwo the same Mewtwo from Oblivia and Kanto being pulled in from different universes.
Smash brothers seems to actually be a sub universe that copies things from other universes as it is just someone's imagination with very few things leaving to other games like some fire emblem characters in fire emblem fates and the smash ability in Kirby.
Even more so I would say because Conquest SUPPOSEDLY takes place in the Sengoku era but it also has things like air travel, wind farms, computerized banking, and mechanized factories.
I always wondered why Mewtwo appeared in conquest. I have played guardian signs a lot. But it always conveniently forgot to look a bit more into you two being created by an ancient civilization thing. As such, Mewtwo can show up in any time. Though I would prefer to see homuncios Mewtwo Born of magic. Instead of science. But okay.
@@BJGvideos I recall there's a one off line in the game that implies that everything happening in conquest is around the same timeframe as the other games and the region is just mostly isolated from outsiders (which given how often things are going down in that region I can kinda understand keeping a distance)
Funny that you didn’t mention the detective Pikachu movie because Mewtwo is featured in that too but even in the movie itself, they state that the Mewtwo that appears is the same one that fled Cinnabar Island and the Kanto region so it also doesn’t change the Mewtwo count either.
7:19 and thanks to PLA we even have a plausible explanation for how that works. Space-time rifts! That’s exactly how we get Pokemon like magnezone or scizor before they exist or the conditions to create them exist. Pretty neat!
I like the idea of the 2 Mewtwos diverging at the beginning of mega energy in universe there explaining how they megaevolve into two branches. If gamefreak introduces a mewtwo created by the AZ weapon and gives it a Z mega it would be so epic.
@@regionfuego6 Fairy type and Mega Evolution would place it in the "mega" timeline by default, as otherwise ORAS would have nothing to expand on in the first place.
@ fairy type, just like steel type and dark type and just like the move split can just be shoved under the rug as something that “just happened”. Mega evolution is something explicitly stated to be seen only in Kalos through the XY games and they even talk about how they don’t know the reason why they only exist in that region. The mega evolution timeline contradicts this by just having mega evolution everywhere.
My thoughts: 1 Kanto Mewtwo: Although it is not mandatory to catch Mewtwo in order to complete the game, one of the key parts of the story is to complete the Pokedex. You have to catch'em all. That includes Mewtwo, the last Pokémon in the dex. So I think it's safe to assume Red caught Mewtwo. 2 Johto Mewtwo: In Gen 2 Cerulean cave is sealed, and there's no wild Mewtwo to catch, just like you said. But in the Gen 2 Johto remakes, both the legendary birds and Mewtwo are available just like in Gen 1. The real world reason is obvious: for completionism's sake, since the last time Mewtwo was available was in GBA's FRLG. But we were never given an in-game reason. I'd just assume Mewtwo was released by Red between the games. It is what makes most sense. (But if I was in charge of Pokemon games, I'd make a new storyline with Giovanni teamming up with the team Rocket cientist from the Sevii Islands storyline to make a brand new Mewtwo as a new final/secret boss in a possible Johto remake...) 3 Ranger Mewtwo: I can't say much because I haven't played the Ranger games, but like @AdvancedEon said, "I don't think that room in the Sky Fortress was designed specifically for Mewtwo, more it was a repurposed room. The chamber Mewtwo is kept in is clearly clean metal and glass while the surrounding room is made of stone covered in moss and cracks.". So I don't think Mewtwo is from the ancient past. It's not plausible that two different civilizations, centuries apart, created THE SAME modified clone of Mew. But I'd have to play the games in order to give a more based oppinion on the matter... 4 Kalos Mewtwo: I played Pokémon Y AFTER Pokémon Sun, so when I finally got to the end of my Kalos journey, I've always interpreted that Mewtwo appearing out of nowhere as a nod to the Ultra Wormholes. Like a teasing of the future from GF. They did that with the Strange Souvenir item, so the main plot of Gen 7 was already developed. ORAS gave me this boost that this headcannon of mine could be right, since they confirmed the existence of the multiverse... 5 LGPE: The Let's Go games are not set after the XY story. That's just impossible. In LGPE Blue said that when he was in his journey, he didn't have a Pokedex, that was a new invention by his grandad. Also, it's in the events of this game that the Champion becomes the last oponnent in the Pokémon league. In XY Diantha is already Champion of the League. So XY can't possibly be before LGPE. Just because Blue travelled to Kalos, it doesn't mean the XY story happened alredy. The region existed before the events of XY, you know? LGPE is set on its own in Pokemon's continuity, an alternative version of events of the Gen 1 games and that's it. 6 Alola and Galar Mewtwos: Like you said, they are from different universes/timelines. Nothing to add. 7 BDSP Mewtwo: Ramanas Park is just an odd feature. It's just like Alola Wormholes, Hoenn Hoopa Rings, Galar Dynamax Adventures... But with a lazier excuse....
Honestly, I am placing it in my head canon that the female voiced Mewtwo in Genesect and the Legend Awakened, may be that ancient Mewtwo, who was discovered and taken before she woke up, and experimented on, and perhaps that ancient civilization created the Mewtwoite mega stones, which where taken with her as well, with the X one going missing, while the Y one was implanted into Newtwo”Newt” (Using a nickname I learned from TC-37 on Deviant art, as I had no idea Awakened Mewtwo was nicknamed Newtwo) alongside a keystone or something, so she can mega evolve on her own. Then she woke up, and due to being asleep all this time, she has no idea how old she is. Lol
About Kalos Mewtwo, after you catch it, Trevor claims he also caught one, so that would have to mean there were at least two Mewtwos in Kalos at the same time, could be the Kanto one and the Ranger one I guess, but it does give legitimacy to there absolutely being at least 2 Mewtwos since XY itself doesn't feature any multiverse shenanigans
The funny thing about Masters is that the Giovanni that has Mewtwo in that game is Rainbow Rocket Giovanni because the suit he wears has the rainbow R logo, instead of the red R. But since Masters canon is very loose, any inconsistency to the mainline games can just be explained by multiverse shenanigans. As such, Masters Giovanni can be interpreted as an alternate version of USUM Giovanni, which in turn is an alternate version of the original Giovanni from Generations 1-4. The confusing thing is that Masters Giovanni also has partnered up with Persian, clearly a reference to Pokemon Yellow, and to an extent, the anime. The story that accompanies him teaming up with Persian has him talking about how he wants to wear his old suit (the one with the red R) in order to go back to his roots. But make no mistake, this is still Rainbow Rocket Giovanni. And I feel like the game will never introduce the original Giovanni as a totally separate entity from Rainbow Rocket Giovanni in order to prevent casual fans from being confused.
The Mystery Dungeon games canonically take place in the alternate "Pokémon World", where Pokémon are like people, can talk, and have their own civilization. The player is a human from the human world that is sent to the Pokémon world and turned into a Pokémon with no memory of their human life (except for knowing they are/were a human and that Pokémon don't normally talk). We don't know whether the human world mentioned in the mystery dungeon games is actually canonically the same world that the main Pokémon games take place in though. So I wouldn't say that it's definitely not canon, since it *could* be connected (that connection just never being mentioned/explored in the main games). Either way it would be a separate/alternate universe, so not relevant to this video but wanted to stand up for my fav spinoffs :D
My understanding would be that there was one Mewtwo created by Mr Fuji (R/B/Y/FR/LG). X/Y exists in a different universe where Mega Evolution exists, and Mewtwo's Mega Stones were artificially created along with it. Let's Go exists in another universe from X/Y and S/M. The Team Rainbow Rocket Mewtwo hails from a timeline where Team Rocket funded Mewtwo's creation, similar to the anime. Ultra Space is a different dimension. BD/SP is another timeline.
That's incorrect. XY are part of the original timeline. In XY mega evolution is only found in Kalos, and is an unknown phenomenon to the rest of the world.
@@regionfuego6in the original timeline mega evolution doesn’t exist, it’s not just unknown, mega evolution exists in xy so they’re not part of the original timeline.
@jackwilliams8399 that's not how it works. You can just have it on the original timeline just like Terastalization and Gigantamax are exclusive to their regions. In Kalos, there just happens to be mega evolution. ORAS is different, as Mega Evolution is widespread across all regions. SM even builds from this as Sinia and Lexio straight up state that mega evolution is something they brought from their home region, and how people of Alola just weren't familiar with the concept.
@@regionfuego6 They actually meant the Zinnia dialogue from ORAS. She stated there was another Hoenn with no Mega Evolution, where the Ultimate Weapon wasn't fired 3000 years ago, which apparently means no Mega Evolution in the whole timeline... I hate it but whatever. Anyway, unless this means there is a third version of Hoenn we haven't seen yet that is similar to RSE, or we have a timeline with Megas and one without them (unless we say Zinnia got details wrong) 💀
Let’s go probably exists in the same timeline as S/M X/Y and OR/AS, the timeline lines up for this to be the case and mega evolution proves that it’s in the Mega universe
Mewtwo wasn't created by Team Rocket. It's strongly implied in Emerald, Fire Red/Leaf Green and the Let's Go games, and outright confirmed in the Pokemon Origins anime that Mr Fuji created Mewtwo. Also the Pokemon X Pokedex entry for Mewtwo is the same as the Red/Blue and Leaf Green entry: "It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments." This likely means it's the same Mewtwo.
@nonenone4560 No, he worked for Team Rocket (likely with Blaine) to make Mewtwo. He likely worked for Silph before that, like a lot of the other scientist Rockets who infiltrated Silph during the takeover. Saying Team Rocket didn't create Mewtwo is like saying Nintendo didn't create Mario, Shigeru Miyamoto did.
@@KeiranTrick Do you have any source that Team Rocket was involved in the creation of Mewtwo that isn't the anime, manga, or some other stand-alone canon?
Doesnt the ORAS delta episode prove that every game is a separate universe, therefore only in RB, FRLG and LGPE are the only universes where we guaranteed know that one mewtwo was made, therefore every other game could theoretically have had others made. This also explains how two games can get mewtwo.
It only proves that there’s two universes with OG hoenn being the non-mega universe and ORAS hoenn being the mega universe, we know that LGPE is in the mega timeline since mega evolution exists and and it’s also likely around S/M due to blues age which this video pretty much mentions, realistically there’s only one Mewtwo, guardian signs doesn’t necessarily mean that there is a second since the tank could have been used for a different legendary Pokémon
@@qwart22 LGPE doesn't work due to stuff like Mina (the Fairy Trial Captain) at the age of 13 to 15 in Kanto while Mallow said Trial Captains have to leave the position at the age of 20, and with what we know about timeline of pokemon that makes it impossible for that to work.
While Mewtwo is probably the easiest to rationalize the existence of multiple specimens of since after all *it's a clone* of Mew. What does kill the suspesion of disbelief however is the fact that _how come all of the Mew clones are identical Mewtwo?_ Is there like an exact blueprint for Mew cloning? (the Genesect movie at the very least implied that the Mewtwo in that movie is different to the one from the first movie because it has a female voice) And how come there haven't been any attempts of creating a perfect replica of Mew, indistinguishible from the original? Is it because Mewtwo is objectively superior?
The voice is odd, since Mewtwo doesn't speak verbally but through psychic powers, so whatever voice it uses wouldn't necessarily be bound to physical form.
Mewtwo is superior to mew in battle and you don’t really wasn’t to mess with a proven successful formula I doubt the scientists will ever mess with the mewtwo blueprints
The rockets mewtwo used Bill (human male) DNA combined with mew to create mewtwo. Team plasma most likely used a womans DNA with mewtwo thinking that would be better since team rockets mewtwo went rogue. Giving the anime 2 canon mewtwo that have significant differences.
The existence of multiple Mewtwo mega stones implies that Mewtwo has existed for quite a long time. Given the mega stones seem to have been made when the weapon fired 3000 years ago.
If i remmenber correctly, in the mainline games mewtwo is never stated as something created by Team rocket, that plot is an anime and manga thing. Plus Lets go cant be a game that takes place in the Mega Timeline cause Red is never a champion in Lets go, and he never defeats Team Rocket, still in Sun and Moon, a game with Mega evolution, Red is introced to the MC as a former champion and the one who faught team Rocket. And also Red is an adult in Sun moon, if lets go was in the mega timeline in between xy and Sunmoon like u hipotised, then why is dexio and Sina almost around the same age in xy and sunmoon, but red is a kid in lets go and an adult in sun moon. Just my thoughs on the matter, But i still enjoyed the video a lot, thanks for the hard work Responder
The games somewhat rely on anime/manga canon to fill in a few of the gaps, however the Origins/Generations anime does more fully explain it for the games. Essentially Mewtwo was created in Cinnabar Mansion by the likes of at least Dr. Fuji, with potential help from Professor Oak, Blaine, and Giovanni, along with scientists that may have ended up joining team rocket or were already members of it. It's unclear whether the creation of Mewtwo predates the organization of the evil team or if it was created by Giovanni to help him hunt for Mewtwo, which is a solid theory and explains why he would be after the Master Ball and other tools during the story of RBY. The games themselves really only give us 5 short journal entries, and it's only speculation that they're written by Dr. Fuji anyways. Involving Team Rocket in the story makes their existence and actions during the game make more sense, just in general.
I mean, Wally also still looks like a child in SM, despite ORAS being implied to be as long ago as whatever the "Mega Evolution" timeline's version of the Kanto games take place in because that was the case in the original timeline. However, don't Let's Go still say Red and Blue "finished their journey long ago" or something? They are still legendary trainers in Let's Go, so they would arguably still be called (foreign) Champions in Alola due to that reputation. Now, them saying Red defeated Team Rocket? That's a good point, but you could also say some details get lost in hearsay the further it goes.
@@portwise23 Mewtwo is implied by the audio drama to have been created at the order of Giovanni's mother who was obsessed with Mew to near the point of madness. The drama also gives the reason why Giovanni is so lenient with Jessie and James... Can't remember if Mewtwo's human DNA being Mr Fuji's daughters is from the games as well or not from when he was created.
Theory, team rocket stole the ancient tech to make mewtwo during the process unlocking the beginnings of mega evolutions. But basically just enhanced 1 of probably many mew clones. And we only see a mewtwo who was stable enough not to destroy the lab and every clone. While the others could have been locked away, destroyed or reverted to a ditto. Mewtwo could in thoery work together with Palkia Dialga Arceaous or Garitina to traverse other realities.
A theory I have on HGSS and Let's Go is that Red did catch Mewtwo. But released them and the legendary birds after completing the Pokedex. (Along with Mew if you somehow got them) It was said in cannon that Red was Kanto's first Pokemon master and completed the Pokedex. But we can see that he didn't have Articuno, Zapdos, or Moltres on his team when battling him. I can only conclude that he released them, as we can see the said legendaries in HGSS and Let's Go. This also leads me to believe that the same was done for Mewtwo.
Just because the Snatchers didn't have time to make the room, doesn't mean they didn't put the Mewtwo there since we didn't see the room when it was first raised(it takes some time to get to the Fortress), so it could be the same one from Team Rocket that they've subdued somehow and are keeping it in that state until they have something strong enough to control it(like the Armour), but good video and quite interesting.
I find it weird that Fairy Type is considered a potentially universe changing retcon. Sure it changed some Pokemon's types but so did Steel and Dark's introduction back in Gen 2. Mega Evolution, on the other hand, is explicitly said to be of a different dimension. There is a world with Megaevolution and a world without. The kicker is that I'd you REALLY want to get into the weeds, then every version takes place in its own universe. The argument can be made that there is only 1 Mewtwo canon to each Pokémon universe and how it comes to be differs from game to game.
I think you should counted the events, but only the ones that aren’t like you out a code and you get the Pokemon, but the ones that makes you go to x place to capture the Pokemon, making so it’s have a explanation in-universe. If we considere that there maybe be a third Mewtwo in Hoen still hidden from humanity…
I'm pretty sure Red 100% canonically encountered Mewtwo, and decided against catching him because he empathized with his story. He would be familiar with his creation origins, having explored the lab on Cinnabar Island
My theory is Mewtwo is the creation of a mew when you try to clone it or it is pushed to give birth naturally. Like Manaphy create Phione when you try to breed it. But in Mew's case its likely at some point other Mews or the species Mew could breed with ceased to be. So there should be some Mewtwos around but not a lot because Mew is so ancient. OG timeline probably only ever had one or two Mewtwos but the new timeline theres probably like 8 of em due to timeline/dimension shennanigans and just more scientific experimentation in general and also explains why there's mewtwo mega stones.
Everyone wants to downplay Gen 1's legendaries because of how their generation of Pokémon contributed to watering down the magnitude of the Legendary class constantly shoving out new legendaries every game lol.
How'd the lore have been like if Red did catch Mewtwo in Gen 1's events? And if he battled you with it in Gen 2's post-game? Then if Red canonically lost to Gold and as a reward, gives him the Mewtwo? And if Gen 3 took place 3 years after Gen 2? And from Gen 3 onwards, every new protagonist recieves that same Mewtwo from the previous one after beating him/her at a final boss?
6:50 the mewtwo pod machine is very different from the rest of the area. It's very plausible it was brought into by the evil dudes. As for the rest, you can just presume every past champion just knocked mewtwo out instead of capturing, giving the current player a chance to get it.
This video relies to much on the multiverse crutch IMO. Let’s Go has too many contradictions to be considered canon, and the Fairy type doesn’t mean alternate universes are in play. Really, they could just say there ARE multiple Mewtwo out there and it’d be fine.
@@djdjdijonthe story of let’s go makes it clear that things didn’t play out the same in that universe as they did in the original games. It makes no sense to say they happened in the same timeline.
@@djdjdijon Red didn’t beat team rocket, Giovanni is still in charge of both team rocket and the viridian city gym if red has taken them down like he did in the originals then that wouldn’t be the case. The fact that koga is leading his gym and not Janine means that even if they are in the same universe it definitely isn’t after gen two since his daughter took over his gym and he became an elite 4 member between red/blue and G/S. Other little things like the the let’s go protagonist being the one to deal with the marowak ghost in the Pokémon tower rather than red doing it years earlier. They’re meant to be indirect remakes of the originals, taking story beats and characters from the original while updating others for a younger audience, I don’t think they cared too much about where it fits in the timeline.
The Pokemon special manga which is a separate continuity from the games but the events still correlate with the games shows that the Team Rocket Mewtwo is the same Mewtwo as the Kalos Mewtwo
8:46 could it be that Fairy type moves are human creations, taking advantage of the newly discovered type, and any fairy-type moves in the wild are moves learned from released Pokémon? That's an interesting thought
Considering that there is more than one team of scientists that created multiple Typenull’s between 2 generations and the existence of 2 different Mega Stones for a Pokemon that didn’t exist yet says to me at least one Mewtwo that didn’t originate in the kanto. Also canonically all the MC’s of each gen would have had to catch Mewtwo to complete their Pokédex. If there was only one it would mean all the MC’s would canonically have released Mewtwo after completing their Pokédex.
I view each game as its own branch of an infinite timeline. It's much easier to explain the inconsistencies this way. Even the Red that you encounter in Gold and Silver isn't the same Red you play, whom you may have given a different name, but is another timeline's version of the same character.
Celebi exists and is capable of time travel time travel, meaning it is possible the Mewtwo in Ranger could be the same Mewtwo created in Kanto after having been time displaced by Celebi. The chamber iit is found in for that game, rather than a place of creation, might instead be sone kind stasis tank Mewtwo was sleeping in to get back to the present the long way around.
In the U.S. versions of Red & Blue, the Cerulean Cave was still called the Unknown Dungeon. Still prefer the name "Unknown Dungeon"; it sounds mysterious, ominous.
From what I know: the first Mewtwo from R/B, the Mewtwo from X/Y, and Giovanni's Mewtwo from USUM which is from another universe. Oh, and on that note, the Mewtwo you can catch from an Ultra Wormhole. There might be one from ORAS too, but I forgot. There's also way more from spinoffs too like the two Mewtwos from the anime, the ones from Mystery Dungeon, an uncountable amount from Go, and Shadow Mewtwo from Pokkén.
Pokémon Conquest has a "Mewtwo of legend" that implies he's a well established part of Conquests long existing history. The one in the Kalos Cave i think can't be the same one. Or at the very least a 3rd Mewtwo existed in Kalos 3,000 years ago. Because why does Mewtwo have irradiated Megastones specific to it in the region if it's not native, and Megastones come from the ultimate weapon firing 3,000 years ago.
Technically, the mewtwo in Ranger could have also gotten there through time travel shenanigans. I mean this is the same gen with Dialga we're talking about
IMO them mentioning that there's an alternate version of hoenn without mega evolutions and ORAS being clearly in the same universe as XY (with the AZ reference) makes it clear that the XY mewtwo is clearly different from FRLG one
Reminder that Pokémon Mystery Dungeon is a, Huge spoiler from a game that pretty sure I cried over An isekai, you are a human transferred to the mystery dungeon world. It's been a second so I forget if your player character came from a world with Pokémon.
Easiest answer to the question is near-infinite. I still think the original intention for every game to be its own universe holds true so that’s the Get Out of Jail Free Card for things there should be just one of, being on every save file
I thought it was recently confirmed that all pokemon games take place in their own timelines. Like even Red in Gold/Silver is not the same Red you play in Red/Blue, but just that character from the Gold timeline. And in that regard... there is only one Mewtwo, per timeline. But there are as many Mewtwos as there are timelines. This is just what I heard was recently confirmed regarding timelines.
I'm saying this now: There is only one Mewtwo in any universe. It cannot and should not be caught or owned by anyone, and to not only find another fossilized strand of Mew DNA but perfectly clone it in the same manner without any of the same research or conditions would be downright impossible without Arceus' divine intervention. Mewtwo isn't in Oblivia's past, meaning Societea definitely built that. Why would an old fortress with grass and moss growing in the bricks have clean and futuristic lab equipment?
For the Sky Forretress Mewtwo, it’s possible that the current Mewtwo time traveled to the past and ended up there. There isn’t any evidence of this to be the case that I know of, but it is possible.
1st point: Technically, the actual lore of this franchise is that every individual cartridge is it's own parallel timeline. 2nd point: in terms of timeline we do have rough knowledge Gen 1 Gen 2. This is it's own timeline. Gen 3 Gen 4 BW -2 years> B2W2 Gen 6 Alola Let's Go SwSh SV Now, we know that the Mega Timeline can't be in the same universe as Gen 1 or 3 because of Let's Go, and Blue mentioning that his and Red's Pokedex were done on paper.
SV is confirmed to be in the same timeline as PLA/BDSP, and take place after SWSH, since SV's protagonist is a reincarnation of the Sinnoh/Hisui and Galar protagonists, according to SV itself. Mega Salamence is confirmed to exist through Roaring Moon's entry, which would likely place it in the mega timeline
@@liamdell6319 There's an NPC who gives you phone cases based on your save data from the other Switch games - Which, slight correction, also includes LGPE, meaning Chase and Elaine are included in this confirmation. The NPC is a fortune teller, and the canon explanation behind this NPC is that she's looking into the protagonist's past lives through the Rotom phone.
I've always headcanoned it as one per location we find it in, plus _possibly_ the project that Team Plasma worked on before Genesect assuming it survived. So that basically means the Cerulean Cave Mewtwo, the Kalosian Unknown Dungeon Mewtwo, the Ultra Space Mewtwo, the Max Lair Mewtwo and the Ramanas Park Mewtwo, plus _possibly_ one in Unova. Now, if you then include the anime appearances, you also have the Team Rocket Mewtwo that features in the First Movie and Mewtwo Returns special. The Mewtwo from the Genesect movie, or Newtwo as fans have collectively decided to call her, is most likely the Team Plasma Mewtwo. Obviously we're not counting those, but I'm just noting it. And no, I'm not going to entirely agree that "simply counting the Mewtwos" is wrong. The problem is that it's hard to justify that multiple appearances are the same Mewtwo when it's supposed to be canon that the player character in each game eventually catches that Mewtwo. Plus, the Ultra Space Mewtwo complicates the idea that they're the same Mewtwo further unless you want to try and claim that Mewtwo somehow has the powers of Solgaleo or Lunala (or Necrozma), something that's never displayed. Really, it's a matter of Occam's Razor. Assuming they're the same requires a more complex array of assumptions (why is it here, did another player character catch it only to release it afterwards or was it never caught to begin with, why is it _here,_ etc.) than assuming they're different (who created it).
I think even if there was only one I think that it could have fairly easily created alternate versions of itself if it wanted to and I also think that if the first Mewtwo create other Mewtwo I think they could have pretty easily took control of and inhabited there own area of land and build there own colony.
I think most optional/post-game content is not canon. I also think player characters release their unused Pokemon more often than actual players do. I believe Red may have fought Mewtwo, Mewtwo went to Cinnabar to do research and destroy the island, then went to Kalos for a mega stone. We hear a lot about how player characters are champions but never about how they completed the Pokedex. We also don't know how long post-game stuff takes in-game, so Red could've spent years working on the Pokedex after becoming champion.
Great video, just one mistake! If Fairy type games are separate continuity, then that verse has only one Mewtwo since there wasn't fairy type remake of Ranger
Regarding the kalos mewtwo, iirc they mention during the game that megastones were made out of the pokemon the died when the ultimate weapon was shot to end the war, so this would technically confirm at least 1 more mewtwo that was present in the war. Regarding the one present at that time, i feel like its a new one, but i got no justification eitherway, so may be the same one
Kalos Mewtwo is definitely meant to be Kanto Mewtwo. The Grove you find it in is supposed to be some kind of sanctuary mirroring it's journey in the Anime, I think its supposed to be the Kanto one going on a Journey and visiting or establishing that sanctuary
In the original games the register says not that the Rockets created Mewtwo, but that mew "give birth" to Mewtwo. Since the anime interpretation with the lab creation this version has slowly becoming the oficial, being used in future games. But with the original story it is possible that Mew give birth to several Mewtwos
what if the original mewtwo manipulated team rocket into giving it a mate (like frankenstein’s monster), and the kalos mewtwo and the shadow mewtwo are the first two’s descendants?
Well if we take the cartoon as canon so we know Lugia had kids abd Dittos exist so i wouldn't be surprised if Mew Two managed to reproduce some time in the future
Could Shadow Mewtwo in Pokken be the Oblivia Mewtwo...? It would've never been lured away in BDSP nor have the affiliation with Cerulean Cave that would've led to its capture in Let's Go. If we assume it is still roaming after the events of Guardian Signs, and saved Anne from a the Shadow Synergy Stone at some point after it, during essentially the prologue to Pokken. It helps that we don't know how far apart both titles would be, and if Pokken takes place before Guardian Signs, then in that same universe it could instead be mainline Mewtwo before the events of Let's Go. There are still so many ways to make it still be the same as either of the previous two Mewtwo.
Personally I see no evidence there's more than 1 in the video games ever. I've always preferred the idea there is only one of each Legendary Pokemon, makes more sense given the roles their supposed to serve. Some exceptions sure, but for the most part, I'd say it works like that. Regarding Mewtwo's other appearances, it's either the same one or a result of the time warping, dimension hoping, etc. Mewtwo is supposed to be one of if not the most powerful Pokemon ever. Early on in the series run, that was pretty easy to say since most Pokemon were just animals with elemental powers (up to and including earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, etc, but relatively grounded in the grand scheme of things). Well as the series went along, we started adding god level threats that could affect time, space, reality, dimensions, etc. Mewtwo is still said to be one of if not the most powerful anyway, so that should suggest that he at least has some ability to deal with beings on those levels as well if not be able to do those things himself in one way or another. As such, him being made in say 1996 and showing up in 996 is plausible as well. This becomes more plausible when we factor in ORAS outright confirmed multiple universes and Sun and Moon explored that idea further with alternate dimensions.
I believe that to be another Mewtwo, one that we actually never get to see, Because it died. So, when they explain the origins of the mega-stones, they say that they used the Life Energy Pokémon to Power the Ultimate weapon. What is never actually stated, but I always believed it to be the case, was that the mega-stones were the ones they were because of the Pokémon that were harvested for their energy. So, the Blatoiseite stone makes a Blastoise mega-evolve because inside it lays the live energy of the Blastoise that was used to power the Ultimate Weapon. And the same would be for the Mewtwoite X/Y, but for that to be the case, there should have existed another Mewtwo 3,000 years ago in the Pokémon world. Which, thanks to Rangers, we know it was, at the very least, possible. This is something I've believed and taken as fact for so long I was shocked when I learn that other people don't believe this and I was even more shocked when I went back to XY for evidence and I found no explicit mention of this to be the why the mega-stones are the ones that they are. But, since there's no evidence against it either, I will hold my belief and share it around and see if I can convince anyone else to believe it too.
Iirc dynamax adventures doesn’t have multiverse shenanigans. They’re just a massive set of caves beneath that just so happen to contain legendary pokemon… for some reason. yeah gamefreak did not think through the lore reasons as to why there are legendary Pokemon in there.
What if the two Mewtwo are the same, the team rocket Mewtwo got sucked into a space time distortion and ended up a thousand years before Guardian Signs got sealed in the sky fortress,
7:22 Even if we go with your interpretation that there's no time to have created such machine during the game story, we could still take the much more logical interpretation that it was a Mew containment room, given Mew is a legend it would make sense ancient people also belived in him I don't know how that would affect the count since I haven't played the Ranger games but given what you said in the Kalor part it should be possible
There is actually something you forgot to mention for Pokkén, as when you fight Shadow Mewtwo for the first time, Nia says she checked the Cinnibar Island logs on Mewtwo, thus confirming the Team Rocket one does exist in that timeline
So does that make the Pokken Mewtwo a third Mewtwo, or could it have been the same one that Rocket made?
@@TheZeroNeonix Not necessarily, because Nia just checked the info, she didn't find Mewtwo herself. It would moreso depend on "when" Anne had her Mewtwo encounter, as well as timeline placement (this could be before Let's Go thus making TR's Mewtwo possible, or after LG which in turns means this has to be the Mewtwo from Oblivia because Chase/Elaine would've caught TR's Mewtwo by then).
Take a drink every time he says " Mewtwo "
Lol I just noticed that 😅@@Tyler-q3k
In theory, there should only be one (per universe) with few exceptions:
Mainline games - This holds true. Mewtwo could have simply migrated from Kanto to Kalos in order to get stronger and harness the power of Mega Evolution.
Spinoff games (like Pokemon Ranger, Pokken) - are non-canon and/or take place in alternate timelines. It's possible multiple Mewtwos and legendaries exist in the spinoffs.
Adventures Manga - Refutes the idea that there is only one Mewtwo and it did travel to become the guardian of the hidden Pokemon village in Kalos, but was the original Kantonian Mewtwo.
Anime - There are two canonical Mewtwo(s?). One created by Team Rocket in the first movie, has a second appearance in the Johto arc, and a final appearance in the Journeys Arc. Mewtwo #1 is potentially male and cannot Mega Evolve. As for the 2nd Mewtwo, it debuted in late Generation 5 and had only once appearance in the Genesect Movie (and tie-in special episodes). Mewtwo #2 was created by an unknown organization (possibly Team Plasma), is potentially female, and can Mega Evolve into its Mega Y variant. As for how this is possible, it seems that the creators of the 2nd Mewtwo got hold of the data of the creation of the original Mewtwo, which is implied but not confirmed.
Regarding anime, I am not 100% persuaded that Mewtwo in Journeys is the same as the one that appeared in Kanto and Johto saga, despite Bulbapedia stating it is. Mewtwo in Johto is clearly the same one that was created by Team Rocket, as there are many references to the first movie in Mewtwo Returns and also that Mewtwo clearly recognized Ash and his friends. Mewtwo in Journeys, however, shows no recognition of Ash. Also its behaviour is quite different than the one in previous appearances. The only prove shown by Bulbapedia admins is some promo material in the talk page, which is dubious to say the least. Mew in Journeys is considered different than the one in first movie, so, why not Mewtwo? I don't say it can't be the same Mewtwo as in Kanto and Johto saga, but there's enough little tidbits that make me doubtful it is. If the team in Unova was able to create their own Mewtwo, couldn't another group did the same? It sure is possibility within the anime world, isn't it?
@@petrnovak7235 I think the idea was to keep Mewtwo's previous encounters with Ash vague as the Pokemon anime is fluid with its continuity (I mean Ash is still practically 10 years old and never ages). To keep things inclusive to newer Pokemon fans, you can totally start watching the anime directly from the start of Journeys and not feel lost. However, the series had a lot of throwbacks to earlier seasons and was kind-of a "greatest hits" of Ash's overall Pokemon journey.
So technically, you can interpret Mewtwo from Journeys any way you want, but for myself who grew up on the original series (Kanto & Johto), that's THE Mewtwo from the first movie. In all honesty, I question the canonicity of the Unovan Mewtwo, to me it never existed because the idea of two/multiple Mewtwos makes very little sense. It's even theoretically implied that the movies may or may not happen canonically with the TV show timeline (minus the first two movies which have direct tie-ins to the TV show).
@@Axecon1so it’s ur head cannon and not really rooted in facts…..got it
@@scro910 Yup, because it's a fictional TV show where nothing makes sense, inconsistencies fly left and right, and the protagonist is an idiotic 10 year old that never ages. So logic and facts don't really carry much weight. Everyone's entitled to their own head canon and theories and can enjoy the series the way they want to. But we love the series anyways.
@@Axecon1 Well, there is a special that connects the Unova Mewtwo with the main show through Virgil, the guy that won the Unova League Championship, with Ash, Iris and Cilan also appearing at the end of that special, being pointed to the movie location by Professor Oak.
Though, I personally wish the whole BW saga was not a cannon, for how they treated Ash and not just him, I can't force myself to make that kind of headcannon 😅
I don't think that room in the Sky Fortress was designed specifically for Mewtwo, more it was a repurposed room. The chamber Mewtwo is kept in is clearly clean metal and glass while the surrounding room is made of stone covered in moss and cracks. While this doesn't exclude the idea that it is a different Mewtwo to the one seen in Kanto/Johto, the reasoning of one existing in the past doesn't really work. The big thing with Guardian Signs is that we don't know exactly when it takes place. We know Ranger 1 is implied to take place after Emerald's events via references to Groudon and Kyogre having wounds from a recent fight, and Ranger 2 takes place after 1, and 3 after 2 given the progression with the technology relating to Capture Stylers. We just don't know the exact time between each of the games. But it's likely that at this point, Ranger 3 is quite a few years after Kanto and Johto, making it possible to be the same Mewtwo
Meanwhile, Let's Go has so many continuity issues with the rest of the franchise that trying to slot it in just doesn't seem worth the effort as there's so much to reconcile with the other games in the franchise.
Ranger 3 references the protagonist from Ranger 2 (who wasn't a ranger before the events of ranger 2) so ranger 3 has to have happened after ranger 2. There's also 2 characters (murph and professor hastings) that appear in all 3 ranger games without appearing significantly older between the games, so I'd say there'd be at most 10 years between the events of ranger 1 and ranger 3. But that could definitely be enough time for a mewtwo to travel around a bunch between regions
It doesn't really change anything significant, but it's worth pointing out that there's a pretty good likelihood that Red canonically did catch Mewtwo in FRLG and then simply released it as he only wanted it to fill out its slot in the Pokedex, which would explain why he doesn't have it and it's still capturable in Cerulean Cave. The reason this is relevant is because Red's primary objective was filling out the Kanto Pokedex, something we know he was completely obsessed with as he was willing to search far and wide for any potential obscure Pokemon and eventually even ended up on Mt. Silver, presumably training up his team in the harsh climate of the summit or searching for the mythical Mew which Red did know to exist as he went through the Cinnibar Mansion. Red learned all about Mewtwo and it being a clone of Mew.
I doubt red caught mewtwo. There is absolutely nothing that implies he did. And nothing says his primary objective was filling out the pokedex
All that work and he never checked under the truck in Vermillion harbor
Thing to remember with Pokemon canon is that not everything the player does is a canonically true event, we often only get to learn what the canon is in later games.
For example I fully believe that majority of the protagonist do not actually become the league champions
Gold doesn't canonically beat Red, as otherwise he'd be a lot more present as a character ^^
In Gen 5 you can meet Cynthia, who will say that the player reminds her of the gen 4 protagonist, but when you get her to her last Pokémon she does mention not remembering the last time anyone pushed her this far - meaning that Dawn canonically either never made it to Cynthia or lost the fight before Cynthia had to use her ace
Funnily enough, my personal favourite champion - Leon - despite in canon being the strongest champion is one of the very few champions that we do canonically know lost ( And I do wish this at least meant we would get Gloria in other games )
So yeah, generally speaking we can not assume Red caught MewTwo unless we see him use it - even of we assume that Red completed the pokedex, this doesn't have to include a man made aberration that Oak doesn't know about. In later games, filling the pokedex is just busy work given to all trainers to have fun with, Cynthia does mention the times she was running around filling the pokedex herself, but again we shouldn't assume this means every trainer caught every legendary Pokémon ^^
No, he was there for training.
I must say that the holding chamber for Mewtwo in Pokemon ranger does not necessarily mean that a Mewtwo was created thousands of years ago. It simply means that they construted the containment chamber for a pokemon roughly on the level of Mewtwo, but it might as well have been Mew, Deoxys or a member of the lake trio.
It may even be the same Mewtwo, it's one of the strongest psychic types, it may just be from an alternate timeline or something
I’m all for Mewtwo being such a powerful psychic it hacked time travel.
@@snarkyshawn right?
Agree
Well if legends arceus is canon you can transfer Mewtwo back in time through Pokémon Go so that could be the Mewtwo in Ranger
I think the intended logic is that in each game where a legendary exists they are either not caught canonically or if the trainer catches it they release it back into the wild at some point, hence why legendaries sometimes appear in completely different regions
It’s more likely that they are never caught
Yea even as a kid kinda bothered me that it was so easy to get a God monster both fpm gameplay perspective and lorewise
That makes sense, since legendary pokemon are probably immortal, and would eventually out live their trainers.
Don’t forget Pokémon loves undercooked time travel stories. It’s possible the mewtwo in Ranger could be from modern era, and was simply transported back in time and locked away in the Sky castle thingy.
what if its the dark one becaus he said both places were advanced
@@imperlast2 that would be a cool headcanon for versus mode to not break continuity.
Shadow Mewtwo being the ancient one and normal from being Rocket's
He probably ticked off Celibi or something 😂 poor guy, freaking humans just won't leave him alone.
Personally, the thing I think is overlooked is the existence of Mewtwonite at all. For a Pokemon that’s supposed to be artificial to get not only one, but TWO mega stones, something not artificially manufacturable (as far as we know) tells me that Mewtwo as a species is much less artificial than it seems. Perhaps anyone that tries to replicate mew unnaturally creates Mewtwo on default, explaining the anime having multiple, the ancient rangers Mewtwo, and more. Any who fail to clone Mew create a ditto, any who succeed generate a Mewtwo as a sort of DNA failsafe.
I personally chalk the Kalos Mewtwo up to being created based on experimentation on the Mewtwonites, trying to reverse engineer the species that is attached to the stone. As such it could’ve been Team Flare’s fault using Lysander’s funds before they uncovered Xerneas or Yveltal respectively. I think this largely because the Mewtwo seen in Kanto already thinks itself the strongest life form, and thus would have little reason to travel all the way to Kalos. The only explanation for why it would leave in my mind is that Red beat it to prove himself and get the Dex entry then released Mewtwo, making it feel unsafe and find a new home in Kalos where it acquires the Mewtwonite. This doesn’t explain it returning to Kanto though, unless it decided to seek out Red for a rematch…in which case it wouldn’t be hiding in its cave again.
TLDR: Artifical Pokemon having a mega stone is weird and you have to go through more logical leaps to explain Mewtwo region hopping to be in future games than to just assume one of the numerous evil teams made a second one that they couldn’t control
In the animated series Pokemon Origins (which is more directly based on the games than the main anime), Mr Fuji is the one who gave Red his Mega Keystone and Charizardite. Being the man who created Mewtwo, the implication seems to be that he was studying the Mega Stones to create the Mewtwonites.
Mewtwo is created with the DNA of Mew, who's a common ancestor of most Pokémon.
Instead of thinking "How did they create a stone that resonates with a species that doesn't exist?" consider that Mewtwo might have just resonated with the stones, and they were named after it later.
The stones are all artificially created, why else are they specific to certain Pokemon regardless? Mewtwo is not natural, we literally already know the origins of Mewtwo - it's a clone of Mew, it is literally artificial. This would propose the same force that created megastones was made to create Mewtwo's megastones as well.
I think the anime has canonically 2 mewtwo. 1 created by team rocket (og with male voice) and 1 created by team plasma years later (female voice), together with the genesect.
The rockets mewtwo used Blaine's (human male) DNA combined with mew to create mewtwo.
Team plasma most likely used a females DNA with mewtwo thinking that would be better since team rockets mewtwo went rogue.
Team Rocket used Blaine's DNA
@zoa1-99....... you are right
@@zoa1-99....... that's only in the manga
@gabymogax4283 And the games say nothing about Bill's DNA being used.
Don't think too hard about Team Plasma Mewtwo. The script was pretty clearly written under the assumption it would be the same Mewtwo as the first movie. It turned out that Takeshi Shudo retained a bunch of rights to the first three movies and the characters introduced in it, so they had to give it a distinct voice and tack on a scene that established it as a different Mewtwo.
The Pokemon Company ultimately ended up just buying up those rights in order to make the CGI remake, which is why Movie 1 Mewtwo starts appearing again in the last season of the show.
Ummmm, actually, 🤓theres at least 8 Mewtwos. In Smash Bros, you can have 8 Mewtwo fight against each other. Smash Bro is very much canon 😼
Smash Bros is multiverse/timeline shenanigans.
You can have four Red and four Leaf fight against each other, meaning at least four alternate timelines are being accessed for Pokemon specifically, which would make these Mewtwo the same Mewtwo from Oblivia and Kanto being pulled in from different universes.
Smash brothers seems to actually be a sub universe that copies things from other universes as it is just someone's imagination with very few things leaving to other games like some fire emblem characters in fire emblem fates and the smash ability in Kirby.
Take a shot every time he says " mewtwo "
Actually, it's not mutivers4 at all. The fighters are just a bunch of toys collectibles and statues@FroststormFrenzy
@@xtrabit05 Could've sworn I remembered something about Joker's appearance being canon to Persona
Crazy you forgot about Pokemon Conquest, which has an appearance of Mewtwo that's about as intriguing as Guardian Signs
Even more so I would say because Conquest SUPPOSEDLY takes place in the Sengoku era but it also has things like air travel, wind farms, computerized banking, and mechanized factories.
I always wondered why Mewtwo appeared in conquest. I have played guardian signs a lot. But it always conveniently forgot to look a bit more into you two being created by an ancient civilization thing. As such, Mewtwo can show up in any time. Though I would prefer to see homuncios Mewtwo Born of magic. Instead of science. But okay.
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I recall there's a one off line in the game that implies that everything happening in conquest is around the same timeframe as the other games and the region is just mostly isolated from outsiders (which given how often things are going down in that region I can kinda understand keeping a distance)
@JamesWuellner The line about other regions keeping pokémon in balls, right?
@@BJGvideoscelebi or Dialga fucking with the time stream
Funny that you didn’t mention the detective Pikachu movie because Mewtwo is featured in that too but even in the movie itself, they state that the Mewtwo that appears is the same one that fled Cinnabar Island and the Kanto region so it also doesn’t change the Mewtwo count either.
7:19 and thanks to PLA we even have a plausible explanation for how that works. Space-time rifts! That’s exactly how we get Pokemon like magnezone or scizor before they exist or the conditions to create them exist. Pretty neat!
I like the idea of the 2 Mewtwos diverging at the beginning of mega energy in universe there explaining how they megaevolve into two branches.
If gamefreak introduces a mewtwo created by the AZ weapon and gives it a Z mega it would be so epic.
XY are still part of the "original" timeline though. Is not part of the "mega" timeline
@@regionfuego6 Fairy type and Mega Evolution would place it in the "mega" timeline by default, as otherwise ORAS would have nothing to expand on in the first place.
@ fairy type, just like steel type and dark type and just like the move split can just be shoved under the rug as something that “just happened”. Mega evolution is something explicitly stated to be seen only in Kalos through the XY games and they even talk about how they don’t know the reason why they only exist in that region. The mega evolution timeline contradicts this by just having mega evolution everywhere.
My thoughts:
1 Kanto Mewtwo: Although it is not mandatory to catch Mewtwo in order to complete the game, one of the key parts of the story is to complete the Pokedex. You have to catch'em all. That includes Mewtwo, the last Pokémon in the dex. So I think it's safe to assume Red caught Mewtwo.
2 Johto Mewtwo: In Gen 2 Cerulean cave is sealed, and there's no wild Mewtwo to catch, just like you said. But in the Gen 2 Johto remakes, both the legendary birds and Mewtwo are available just like in Gen 1. The real world reason is obvious: for completionism's sake, since the last time Mewtwo was available was in GBA's FRLG. But we were never given an in-game reason. I'd just assume Mewtwo was released by Red between the games. It is what makes most sense. (But if I was in charge of Pokemon games, I'd make a new storyline with Giovanni teamming up with the team Rocket cientist from the Sevii Islands storyline to make a brand new Mewtwo as a new final/secret boss in a possible Johto remake...)
3 Ranger Mewtwo: I can't say much because I haven't played the Ranger games, but like @AdvancedEon said, "I don't think that room in the Sky Fortress was designed specifically for Mewtwo, more it was a repurposed room. The chamber Mewtwo is kept in is clearly clean metal and glass while the surrounding room is made of stone covered in moss and cracks.". So I don't think Mewtwo is from the ancient past. It's not plausible that two different civilizations, centuries apart, created THE SAME modified clone of Mew. But I'd have to play the games in order to give a more based oppinion on the matter...
4 Kalos Mewtwo: I played Pokémon Y AFTER Pokémon Sun, so when I finally got to the end of my Kalos journey, I've always interpreted that Mewtwo appearing out of nowhere as a nod to the Ultra Wormholes. Like a teasing of the future from GF. They did that with the Strange Souvenir item, so the main plot of Gen 7 was already developed. ORAS gave me this boost that this headcannon of mine could be right, since they confirmed the existence of the multiverse...
5 LGPE: The Let's Go games are not set after the XY story. That's just impossible. In LGPE Blue said that when he was in his journey, he didn't have a Pokedex, that was a new invention by his grandad. Also, it's in the events of this game that the Champion becomes the last oponnent in the Pokémon league. In XY Diantha is already Champion of the League. So XY can't possibly be before LGPE. Just because Blue travelled to Kalos, it doesn't mean the XY story happened alredy. The region existed before the events of XY, you know? LGPE is set on its own in Pokemon's continuity, an alternative version of events of the Gen 1 games and that's it.
6 Alola and Galar Mewtwos: Like you said, they are from different universes/timelines. Nothing to add.
7 BDSP Mewtwo: Ramanas Park is just an odd feature. It's just like Alola Wormholes, Hoenn Hoopa Rings, Galar Dynamax Adventures... But with a lazier excuse....
Honestly, I am placing it in my head canon that the female voiced Mewtwo in Genesect and the Legend Awakened, may be that ancient Mewtwo, who was discovered and taken before she woke up, and experimented on, and perhaps that ancient civilization created the Mewtwoite mega stones, which where taken with her as well, with the X one going missing, while the Y one was implanted into Newtwo”Newt” (Using a nickname I learned from TC-37 on Deviant art, as I had no idea Awakened Mewtwo was nicknamed Newtwo) alongside a keystone or something, so she can mega evolve on her own. Then she woke up, and due to being asleep all this time, she has no idea how old she is. Lol
About Kalos Mewtwo, after you catch it, Trevor claims he also caught one, so that would have to mean there were at least two Mewtwos in Kalos at the same time, could be the Kanto one and the Ranger one I guess, but it does give legitimacy to there absolutely being at least 2 Mewtwos since XY itself doesn't feature any multiverse shenanigans
The funny thing about Masters is that the Giovanni that has Mewtwo in that game is Rainbow Rocket Giovanni because the suit he wears has the rainbow R logo, instead of the red R. But since Masters canon is very loose, any inconsistency to the mainline games can just be explained by multiverse shenanigans. As such, Masters Giovanni can be interpreted as an alternate version of USUM Giovanni, which in turn is an alternate version of the original Giovanni from Generations 1-4.
The confusing thing is that Masters Giovanni also has partnered up with Persian, clearly a reference to Pokemon Yellow, and to an extent, the anime. The story that accompanies him teaming up with Persian has him talking about how he wants to wear his old suit (the one with the red R) in order to go back to his roots. But make no mistake, this is still Rainbow Rocket Giovanni. And I feel like the game will never introduce the original Giovanni as a totally separate entity from Rainbow Rocket Giovanni in order to prevent casual fans from being confused.
I'm very glad that you focus on the important questions of Pokémon.
The Mystery Dungeon games canonically take place in the alternate "Pokémon World", where Pokémon are like people, can talk, and have their own civilization. The player is a human from the human world that is sent to the Pokémon world and turned into a Pokémon with no memory of their human life (except for knowing they are/were a human and that Pokémon don't normally talk). We don't know whether the human world mentioned in the mystery dungeon games is actually canonically the same world that the main Pokémon games take place in though. So I wouldn't say that it's definitely not canon, since it *could* be connected (that connection just never being mentioned/explored in the main games). Either way it would be a separate/alternate universe, so not relevant to this video but wanted to stand up for my fav spinoffs :D
Little me actually thought they was a second Mewtwo because of the genisect movie had Mewtwo voice female
As much as we want them too because Mewtwo is a man made clone and anyone who invests money into having a mewtwo generator can have it.
My understanding would be that there was one Mewtwo created by Mr Fuji (R/B/Y/FR/LG). X/Y exists in a different universe where Mega Evolution exists, and Mewtwo's Mega Stones were artificially created along with it. Let's Go exists in another universe from X/Y and S/M. The Team Rainbow Rocket Mewtwo hails from a timeline where Team Rocket funded Mewtwo's creation, similar to the anime. Ultra Space is a different dimension. BD/SP is another timeline.
That's incorrect. XY are part of the original timeline. In XY mega evolution is only found in Kalos, and is an unknown phenomenon to the rest of the world.
@@regionfuego6in the original timeline mega evolution doesn’t exist, it’s not just unknown, mega evolution exists in xy so they’re not part of the original timeline.
@jackwilliams8399 that's not how it works. You can just have it on the original timeline just like Terastalization and Gigantamax are exclusive to their regions. In Kalos, there just happens to be mega evolution. ORAS is different, as Mega Evolution is widespread across all regions. SM even builds from this as Sinia and Lexio straight up state that mega evolution is something they brought from their home region, and how people of Alola just weren't familiar with the concept.
@@regionfuego6 They actually meant the Zinnia dialogue from ORAS. She stated there was another Hoenn with no Mega Evolution, where the Ultimate Weapon wasn't fired 3000 years ago, which apparently means no Mega Evolution in the whole timeline...
I hate it but whatever. Anyway, unless this means there is a third version of Hoenn we haven't seen yet that is similar to RSE, or we have a timeline with Megas and one without them (unless we say Zinnia got details wrong) 💀
Let’s go probably exists in the same timeline as S/M X/Y and OR/AS, the timeline lines up for this to be the case and mega evolution proves that it’s in the Mega universe
Mewtwo wasn't created by Team Rocket. It's strongly implied in Emerald, Fire Red/Leaf Green and the Let's Go games, and outright confirmed in the Pokemon Origins anime that Mr Fuji created Mewtwo.
Also the Pokemon X Pokedex entry for Mewtwo is the same as the Red/Blue and Leaf Green entry: "It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments." This likely means it's the same Mewtwo.
You wouldn't believe who Mr Fuji worked for at the time of creating Mewtwo! 😂
@@KeiranTrick Most likely Silph Co.
@nonenone4560 No, he worked for Team Rocket (likely with Blaine) to make Mewtwo. He likely worked for Silph before that, like a lot of the other scientist Rockets who infiltrated Silph during the takeover.
Saying Team Rocket didn't create Mewtwo is like saying Nintendo didn't create Mario, Shigeru Miyamoto did.
@@KeiranTrick Do you have any source that Team Rocket was involved in the creation of Mewtwo that isn't the anime, manga, or some other stand-alone canon?
Doesnt the ORAS delta episode prove that every game is a separate universe, therefore only in RB, FRLG and LGPE are the only universes where we guaranteed know that one mewtwo was made, therefore every other game could theoretically have had others made.
This also explains how two games can get mewtwo.
It only proves that there’s two universes with OG hoenn being the non-mega universe and ORAS hoenn being the mega universe, we know that LGPE is in the mega timeline since mega evolution exists and and it’s also likely around S/M due to blues age which this video pretty much mentions, realistically there’s only one Mewtwo, guardian signs doesn’t necessarily mean that there is a second since the tank could have been used for a different legendary Pokémon
@@qwart22 LGPE doesn't work due to stuff like Mina (the Fairy Trial Captain) at the age of 13 to 15 in Kanto while Mallow said Trial Captains have to leave the position at the age of 20, and with what we know about timeline of pokemon that makes it impossible for that to work.
How many venonat exist in the pokemon world
A Venomillion
While Mewtwo is probably the easiest to rationalize the existence of multiple specimens of since after all *it's a clone* of Mew. What does kill the suspesion of disbelief however is the fact that _how come all of the Mew clones are identical Mewtwo?_ Is there like an exact blueprint for Mew cloning? (the Genesect movie at the very least implied that the Mewtwo in that movie is different to the one from the first movie because it has a female voice)
And how come there haven't been any attempts of creating a perfect replica of Mew, indistinguishible from the original? Is it because Mewtwo is objectively superior?
The voice is odd, since Mewtwo doesn't speak verbally but through psychic powers, so whatever voice it uses wouldn't necessarily be bound to physical form.
Maybe the same organisations have created mewtwo multiple times to try and control its power
All of the mewtwo clones? You mean both?
Mewtwo is superior to mew in battle and you don’t really wasn’t to mess with a proven successful formula I doubt the scientists will ever mess with the mewtwo blueprints
The rockets mewtwo used Bill (human male) DNA combined with mew to create mewtwo.
Team plasma most likely used a womans DNA with mewtwo thinking that would be better since team rockets mewtwo went rogue.
Giving the anime 2 canon mewtwo that have significant differences.
The existence of multiple Mewtwo mega stones implies that Mewtwo has existed for quite a long time. Given the mega stones seem to have been made when the weapon fired 3000 years ago.
So the Mewtwo in Detective Pikachu is its own thing?
Each mewtwo would be different though. Theyre all Mew combined with Human DNA as explained in the original red/blue.
If i remmenber correctly, in the mainline games mewtwo is never stated as something created by Team rocket, that plot is an anime and manga thing.
Plus Lets go cant be a game that takes place in the Mega Timeline cause Red is never a champion in Lets go, and he never defeats Team Rocket, still in Sun and Moon, a game with Mega evolution, Red is introced to the MC as a former champion and the one who faught team Rocket. And also Red is an adult in Sun moon, if lets go was in the mega timeline in between xy and Sunmoon like u hipotised, then why is dexio and Sina almost around the same age in xy and sunmoon, but red is a kid in lets go and an adult in sun moon.
Just my thoughs on the matter, But i still enjoyed the video a lot, thanks for the hard work
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Yes there's no link to team rocket in the original games just created by unnamed scientists through horrific experiments.
The games somewhat rely on anime/manga canon to fill in a few of the gaps, however the Origins/Generations anime does more fully explain it for the games. Essentially Mewtwo was created in Cinnabar Mansion by the likes of at least Dr. Fuji, with potential help from Professor Oak, Blaine, and Giovanni, along with scientists that may have ended up joining team rocket or were already members of it. It's unclear whether the creation of Mewtwo predates the organization of the evil team or if it was created by Giovanni to help him hunt for Mewtwo, which is a solid theory and explains why he would be after the Master Ball and other tools during the story of RBY. The games themselves really only give us 5 short journal entries, and it's only speculation that they're written by Dr. Fuji anyways. Involving Team Rocket in the story makes their existence and actions during the game make more sense, just in general.
I mean, Wally also still looks like a child in SM, despite ORAS being implied to be as long ago as whatever the "Mega Evolution" timeline's version of the Kanto games take place in because that was the case in the original timeline.
However, don't Let's Go still say Red and Blue "finished their journey long ago" or something? They are still legendary trainers in Let's Go, so they would arguably still be called (foreign) Champions in Alola due to that reputation.
Now, them saying Red defeated Team Rocket? That's a good point, but you could also say some details get lost in hearsay the further it goes.
@@portwise23 Mewtwo is implied by the audio drama to have been created at the order of Giovanni's mother who was obsessed with Mew to near the point of madness. The drama also gives the reason why Giovanni is so lenient with Jessie and James...
Can't remember if Mewtwo's human DNA being Mr Fuji's daughters is from the games as well or not from when he was created.
The video implies multiple mewtwo are called mewtwo, not mewtwos and honestly I'm here for it
Theory, team rocket stole the ancient tech to make mewtwo during the process unlocking the beginnings of mega evolutions. But basically just enhanced 1 of probably many mew clones. And we only see a mewtwo who was stable enough not to destroy the lab and every clone. While the others could have been locked away, destroyed or reverted to a ditto. Mewtwo could in thoery work together with Palkia Dialga Arceaous or Garitina to traverse other realities.
A theory I have on HGSS and Let's Go is that Red did catch Mewtwo. But released them and the legendary birds after completing the Pokedex. (Along with Mew if you somehow got them)
It was said in cannon that Red was Kanto's first Pokemon master and completed the Pokedex. But we can see that he didn't have Articuno, Zapdos, or Moltres on his team when battling him. I can only conclude that he released them, as we can see the said legendaries in HGSS and Let's Go. This also leads me to believe that the same was done for Mewtwo.
This is exactly what i need more pokemon knowledge, thank you!
Just because the Snatchers didn't have time to make the room, doesn't mean they didn't put the Mewtwo there since we didn't see the room when it was first raised(it takes some time to get to the Fortress), so it could be the same one from Team Rocket that they've subdued somehow and are keeping it in that state until they have something strong enough to control it(like the Armour), but good video and quite interesting.
I find it weird that Fairy Type is considered a potentially universe changing retcon. Sure it changed some Pokemon's types but so did Steel and Dark's introduction back in Gen 2.
Mega Evolution, on the other hand, is explicitly said to be of a different dimension. There is a world with Megaevolution and a world without.
The kicker is that I'd you REALLY want to get into the weeds, then every version takes place in its own universe.
The argument can be made that there is only 1 Mewtwo canon to each Pokémon universe and how it comes to be differs from game to game.
I think you should counted the events, but only the ones that aren’t like you out a code and you get the Pokemon, but the ones that makes you go to x place to capture the Pokemon, making so it’s have a explanation in-universe. If we considere that there maybe be a third Mewtwo in Hoen still hidden from humanity…
I love how this implies that mewtwo went on a holiday to france
I'm pretty sure Red 100% canonically encountered Mewtwo, and decided against catching him because he empathized with his story. He would be familiar with his creation origins, having explored the lab on Cinnabar Island
My theory is Mewtwo is the creation of a mew when you try to clone it or it is pushed to give birth naturally.
Like Manaphy create Phione when you try to breed it. But in Mew's case its likely at some point other Mews or the species Mew could breed with ceased to be.
So there should be some Mewtwos around but not a lot because Mew is so ancient. OG timeline probably only ever had one or two Mewtwos but the new timeline theres probably like 8 of em due to timeline/dimension shennanigans and just more scientific experimentation in general and also explains why there's mewtwo mega stones.
Everyone wants to downplay Gen 1's legendaries because of how their generation of Pokémon contributed to watering down the magnitude of the Legendary class constantly shoving out new legendaries every game lol.
How'd the lore have been like if Red did catch Mewtwo in Gen 1's events? And if he battled you with it in Gen 2's post-game? Then if Red canonically lost to Gold and as a reward, gives him the Mewtwo? And if Gen 3 took place 3 years after Gen 2? And from Gen 3 onwards, every new protagonist recieves that same Mewtwo from the previous one after beating him/her at a final boss?
Something about this gives me the creeps/chills. Like a mythical monster that is on loose. And it just one
I think if there was multiple mewtwo’s it would become Pokémon’s version of Kang the conqueror
6:50 the mewtwo pod machine is very different from the rest of the area. It's very plausible it was brought into by the evil dudes.
As for the rest, you can just presume every past champion just knocked mewtwo out instead of capturing, giving the current player a chance to get it.
Great video mate you should try this with other legendary Pokemon if you're UpTo it
This is highly fascinating. Please makes more videos for each Pokémon.
This video relies to much on the multiverse crutch IMO. Let’s Go has too many contradictions to be considered canon, and the Fairy type doesn’t mean alternate universes are in play.
Really, they could just say there ARE multiple Mewtwo out there and it’d be fine.
Yeah we know someone from Macro Cosmos got ahold of top secret data and made more Type: Null, a species that had previously only had three members
Let’s Go is fine and fits without a problem it’s clearly set post Gen 2 but pre Gen 7
@@djdjdijonthe story of let’s go makes it clear that things didn’t play out the same in that universe as they did in the original games. It makes no sense to say they happened in the same timeline.
@ give one solid example
@@djdjdijon Red didn’t beat team rocket, Giovanni is still in charge of both team rocket and the viridian city gym if red has taken them down like he did in the originals then that wouldn’t be the case. The fact that koga is leading his gym and not Janine means that even if they are in the same universe it definitely isn’t after gen two since his daughter took over his gym and he became an elite 4 member between red/blue and G/S. Other little things like the the let’s go protagonist being the one to deal with the marowak ghost in the Pokémon tower rather than red doing it years earlier. They’re meant to be indirect remakes of the originals, taking story beats and characters from the original while updating others for a younger audience, I don’t think they cared too much about where it fits in the timeline.
Kanto mewtwo is now know as Mewthree : also explains the tablet on the wall of mewtwo in the mainline anime
The Pokemon special manga which is a separate continuity from the games but the events still correlate with the games shows that the Team Rocket Mewtwo is the same Mewtwo as the Kalos Mewtwo
8:46 could it be that Fairy type moves are human creations, taking advantage of the newly discovered type, and any fairy-type moves in the wild are moves learned from released Pokémon? That's an interesting thought
Multiple universes is canon - thanks delta episode!
So, Mewtwo VS ShadowMewtwo could actually happen, no continuity break? That's cool.
Considering that there is more than one team of scientists that created multiple Typenull’s between 2 generations and the existence of 2 different Mega Stones for a Pokemon that didn’t exist yet says to me at least one Mewtwo that didn’t originate in the kanto. Also canonically all the MC’s of each gen would have had to catch Mewtwo to complete their Pokédex. If there was only one it would mean all the MC’s would canonically have released Mewtwo after completing their Pokédex.
I view each game as its own branch of an infinite timeline. It's much easier to explain the inconsistencies this way. Even the Red that you encounter in Gold and Silver isn't the same Red you play, whom you may have given a different name, but is another timeline's version of the same character.
Celebi exists and is capable of time travel time travel, meaning it is possible the Mewtwo in Ranger could be the same Mewtwo created in Kanto after having been time displaced by Celebi.
The chamber iit is found in for that game, rather than a place of creation, might instead be sone kind stasis tank Mewtwo was sleeping in to get back to the present the long way around.
Regarding the sky fortress, that containment room could have been for any legendary pokemon, it may have been intended for the original mew.
In the U.S. versions of Red & Blue, the Cerulean Cave was still called the Unknown Dungeon. Still prefer the name "Unknown Dungeon"; it sounds mysterious, ominous.
From what I know: the first Mewtwo from R/B, the Mewtwo from X/Y, and Giovanni's Mewtwo from USUM which is from another universe. Oh, and on that note, the Mewtwo you can catch from an Ultra Wormhole. There might be one from ORAS too, but I forgot.
There's also way more from spinoffs too like the two Mewtwos from the anime, the ones from Mystery Dungeon, an uncountable amount from Go, and Shadow Mewtwo from Pokkén.
Pokémon Conquest has a "Mewtwo of legend" that implies he's a well established part of Conquests long existing history.
The one in the Kalos Cave i think can't be the same one. Or at the very least a 3rd Mewtwo existed in Kalos 3,000 years ago. Because why does Mewtwo have irradiated Megastones specific to it in the region if it's not native, and Megastones come from the ultimate weapon firing 3,000 years ago.
Technically, the mewtwo in Ranger could have also gotten there through time travel shenanigans.
I mean this is the same gen with Dialga we're talking about
IMO them mentioning that there's an alternate version of hoenn without mega evolutions and ORAS being clearly in the same universe as XY (with the AZ reference) makes it clear that the XY mewtwo is clearly different from FRLG one
Reminder that Pokémon Mystery Dungeon is a,
Huge spoiler from a game that pretty sure I cried over
An isekai, you are a human transferred to the mystery dungeon world. It's been a second so I forget if your player character came from a world with Pokémon.
This would imply that canonically we always fail to catch MewTwo.
Which does make perfect sense
The 3DS games and Let's Go! are in their own universe, ORAS specifically points that out due to the stuff in the Delta Episode.
I appreciate that you consider the orre games canon
Easiest answer to the question is near-infinite. I still think the original intention for every game to be its own universe holds true so that’s the Get Out of Jail Free Card for things there should be just one of, being on every save file
I thought it was recently confirmed that all pokemon games take place in their own timelines. Like even Red in Gold/Silver is not the same Red you play in Red/Blue, but just that character from the Gold timeline. And in that regard... there is only one Mewtwo, per timeline. But there are as many Mewtwos as there are timelines. This is just what I heard was recently confirmed regarding timelines.
I'm saying this now: There is only one Mewtwo in any universe. It cannot and should not be caught or owned by anyone, and to not only find another fossilized strand of Mew DNA but perfectly clone it in the same manner without any of the same research or conditions would be downright impossible without Arceus' divine intervention.
Mewtwo isn't in Oblivia's past, meaning Societea definitely built that. Why would an old fortress with grass and moss growing in the bricks have clean and futuristic lab equipment?
For the Sky Forretress Mewtwo, it’s possible that the current Mewtwo time traveled to the past and ended up there. There isn’t any evidence of this to be the case that I know of, but it is possible.
So, the X/Y mewtwo fled there from another region. You learn that, along with WHY in the games... I'm gonna say it IS the rocket mew two still.
1st point: Technically, the actual lore of this franchise is that every individual cartridge is it's own parallel timeline.
2nd point: in terms of timeline we do have rough knowledge
Gen 1 Gen 2. This is it's own timeline.
Gen 3 Gen 4 BW -2 years> B2W2
Gen 6 Alola Let's Go
SwSh SV
Now, we know that the Mega Timeline can't be in the same universe as Gen 1 or 3 because of Let's Go, and Blue mentioning that his and Red's Pokedex were done on paper.
SV is confirmed to be in the same timeline as PLA/BDSP, and take place after SWSH, since SV's protagonist is a reincarnation of the Sinnoh/Hisui and Galar protagonists, according to SV itself.
Mega Salamence is confirmed to exist through Roaring Moon's entry, which would likely place it in the mega timeline
@@FroststormFrenzy I'm going to have to question you on the reincarnation bit, I've seen nothing to suggest that.
@@liamdell6319 There's an NPC who gives you phone cases based on your save data from the other Switch games - Which, slight correction, also includes LGPE, meaning Chase and Elaine are included in this confirmation.
The NPC is a fortune teller, and the canon explanation behind this NPC is that she's looking into the protagonist's past lives through the Rotom phone.
I've always headcanoned it as one per location we find it in, plus _possibly_ the project that Team Plasma worked on before Genesect assuming it survived. So that basically means the Cerulean Cave Mewtwo, the Kalosian Unknown Dungeon Mewtwo, the Ultra Space Mewtwo, the Max Lair Mewtwo and the Ramanas Park Mewtwo, plus _possibly_ one in Unova.
Now, if you then include the anime appearances, you also have the Team Rocket Mewtwo that features in the First Movie and Mewtwo Returns special. The Mewtwo from the Genesect movie, or Newtwo as fans have collectively decided to call her, is most likely the Team Plasma Mewtwo. Obviously we're not counting those, but I'm just noting it.
And no, I'm not going to entirely agree that "simply counting the Mewtwos" is wrong. The problem is that it's hard to justify that multiple appearances are the same Mewtwo when it's supposed to be canon that the player character in each game eventually catches that Mewtwo. Plus, the Ultra Space Mewtwo complicates the idea that they're the same Mewtwo further unless you want to try and claim that Mewtwo somehow has the powers of Solgaleo or Lunala (or Necrozma), something that's never displayed.
Really, it's a matter of Occam's Razor. Assuming they're the same requires a more complex array of assumptions (why is it here, did another player character catch it only to release it afterwards or was it never caught to begin with, why is it _here,_ etc.) than assuming they're different (who created it).
I think even if there was only one I think that it could have fairly easily created alternate versions of itself if it wanted to and I also think that if the first Mewtwo create other Mewtwo I think they could have pretty easily took control of and inhabited there own area of land and build there own colony.
I think most optional/post-game content is not canon. I also think player characters release their unused Pokemon more often than actual players do. I believe Red may have fought Mewtwo, Mewtwo went to Cinnabar to do research and destroy the island, then went to Kalos for a mega stone. We hear a lot about how player characters are champions but never about how they completed the Pokedex. We also don't know how long post-game stuff takes in-game, so Red could've spent years working on the Pokedex after becoming champion.
Why would it not be canon?
Great video, just one mistake!
If Fairy type games are separate continuity, then that verse has only one Mewtwo since there wasn't fairy type remake of Ranger
This was genuinely a surprising answer!!!!
Regarding the kalos mewtwo, iirc they mention during the game that megastones were made out of the pokemon the died when the ultimate weapon was shot to end the war, so this would technically confirm at least 1 more mewtwo that was present in the war. Regarding the one present at that time, i feel like its a new one, but i got no justification eitherway, so may be the same one
Kalos Mewtwo is definitely meant to be Kanto Mewtwo. The Grove you find it in is supposed to be some kind of sanctuary mirroring it's journey in the Anime, I think its supposed to be the Kanto one going on a Journey and visiting or establishing that sanctuary
In the original games the register says not that the Rockets created Mewtwo, but that mew "give birth" to Mewtwo. Since the anime interpretation with the lab creation this version has slowly becoming the oficial, being used in future games. But with the original story it is possible that Mew give birth to several Mewtwos
The created in a lab thing was in R/G and R/B if you read the files on Cinnabar Island's burned out lab.
what if the original mewtwo manipulated team rocket into giving it a mate (like frankenstein’s monster), and the kalos mewtwo and the shadow mewtwo are the first two’s descendants?
Well if we take the cartoon as canon so we know Lugia had kids abd Dittos exist so i wouldn't be surprised if Mew Two managed to reproduce some time in the future
I always assumed it was the same Mewtwo. I saw no evidence or reason to think otherwise.
Could Shadow Mewtwo in Pokken be the Oblivia Mewtwo...? It would've never been lured away in BDSP nor have the affiliation with Cerulean Cave that would've led to its capture in Let's Go.
If we assume it is still roaming after the events of Guardian Signs, and saved Anne from a the Shadow Synergy Stone at some point after it, during essentially the prologue to Pokken. It helps that we don't know how far apart both titles would be, and if Pokken takes place before Guardian Signs, then in that same universe it could instead be mainline Mewtwo before the events of Let's Go.
There are still so many ways to make it still be the same as either of the previous two Mewtwo.
Its possible red released Mewtwo later on. Felt bad cause the movie showed us hes basically a god and talks.
Thank you so much for not saying "Mewtwos"
considering pokemon is a multiverse now, there can be infinite mewtwo
Personally I see no evidence there's more than 1 in the video games ever. I've always preferred the idea there is only one of each Legendary Pokemon, makes more sense given the roles their supposed to serve. Some exceptions sure, but for the most part, I'd say it works like that. Regarding Mewtwo's other appearances, it's either the same one or a result of the time warping, dimension hoping, etc. Mewtwo is supposed to be one of if not the most powerful Pokemon ever. Early on in the series run, that was pretty easy to say since most Pokemon were just animals with elemental powers (up to and including earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, etc, but relatively grounded in the grand scheme of things). Well as the series went along, we started adding god level threats that could affect time, space, reality, dimensions, etc. Mewtwo is still said to be one of if not the most powerful anyway, so that should suggest that he at least has some ability to deal with beings on those levels as well if not be able to do those things himself in one way or another. As such, him being made in say 1996 and showing up in 996 is plausible as well. This becomes more plausible when we factor in ORAS outright confirmed multiple universes and Sun and Moon explored that idea further with alternate dimensions.
Well Red also could have just defeated Mewtwo and not wanted to catch it.
Or felt bad and released him later.
Mega evolution in Kanto is through import from Kalos, none of these stones are from Kanto.
I believe that to be another Mewtwo, one that we actually never get to see, Because it died. So, when they explain the origins of the mega-stones, they say that they used the Life Energy Pokémon to Power the Ultimate weapon. What is never actually stated, but I always believed it to be the case, was that the mega-stones were the ones they were because of the Pokémon that were harvested for their energy. So, the Blatoiseite stone makes a Blastoise mega-evolve because inside it lays the live energy of the Blastoise that was used to power the Ultimate Weapon. And the same would be for the Mewtwoite X/Y, but for that to be the case, there should have existed another Mewtwo 3,000 years ago in the Pokémon world. Which, thanks to Rangers, we know it was, at the very least, possible.
This is something I've believed and taken as fact for so long I was shocked when I learn that other people don't believe this and I was even more shocked when I went back to XY for evidence and I found no explicit mention of this to be the why the mega-stones are the ones that they are. But, since there's no evidence against it either, I will hold my belief and share it around and see if I can convince anyone else to believe it too.
The Ranger Mewtwo might be a time traveler.
Iirc dynamax adventures doesn’t have multiverse shenanigans. They’re just a massive set of caves beneath that just so happen to contain legendary pokemon… for some reason. yeah gamefreak did not think through the lore reasons as to why there are legendary Pokemon in there.
Each cartridge is it's own cannon
More than one mew definitely exists. I think they hide though by transforming into other Pokémon
What if the two Mewtwo are the same, the team rocket Mewtwo got sucked into a space time distortion and ended up a thousand years before Guardian Signs got sealed in the sky fortress,
7:22 Even if we go with your interpretation that there's no time to have created such machine during the game story, we could still take the much more logical interpretation that it was a Mew containment room, given Mew is a legend it would make sense ancient people also belived in him
I don't know how that would affect the count since I haven't played the Ranger games but given what you said in the Kalor part it should be possible
Pokémon Go will make the number of Mewtwo in the Billions.
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what if dittos ramdomly turn into mewtwos after some time we dont know whats the condition but they can turn under such rare circumstance 🤣