"I Have no Mouth but I Must Balance Whine" is without question the most terrifying Protoss science fiction short story ever. Written by Adoon Asimov iirc.
He makes it look like Terran was ridiculously overpowered all along, but the problem was that all Terran players (including him) simply sucked until now.
What little edges do you mean? He simply sieges up 7 Liberators you cant attack into and then destroys shields with Ghosts.You cant trade against this and it has nothing to do with edges.
A well microd terran army is hard to beat. Protoss lacks a strong way to deal with liberators, tempest seem like the right idea, but they hit like noodles. Needing 6 (according to winter) to take down liberators is a lot of supply doing very little other than poke while vikings pick them apart.
@@Fam0usFarm3r We need to make it common knowledge that pre-sieging a unit like Liberators requires no skill while countering it requires insane micro, apm and skill! And APM is a ressource! And Terran has lots of this: Dropping marines for example requires little apm, but countering it requires a lot of apm. Ghosts requieres little apm, countering them requieres lots of apm. This is true for most Terran units. And thats the whole problem: Little effort big reward for almost anything Terran plays
He gives insights about what's going to happen, what should be done, and what shouldn't, instead of just telling the real time progression commentary of the game. He really knows the game and the players with minute details. That sets him apart from other commentator for me.
@@imadude85 Yeah I agree, and the funny moments about Jim, Brenda, the music when à fleet beacon is constructing, etc etc, makes him even more entertaining and awesome to follow and watch =)
Is there a reason Toss players don't just make like a single Phoenix to dislodge the medivac with marines in the back? Like at 04:42. I can see the stargate isn't being used for anything. It seems like a better way to dislodge the drop than just endlessly patrolling stalkers in the area. I also noticed this in Clem's games with Her0 where Clem killed like over a dozen workers of Her0's with a Raven in the back that Her0 never dealt with.
I'd imagine it's because the Phoenix won't actually kill the medivac since they have such low damage and range or it's just too much to manage as pro level protoss is already a lot to control
"Is there a reason Toss players don't just make like a single Phoenix to dislodge the medivac with *marines* in the back?" well you just said it. 1 phoenix will just die to marines
@@benismann which means you also need enough stalkers to kill 8 stimmed marine's sitting where ever the medivac tries to unload overall its way too much effort to dislodge 550/100 by spending 650/300 on units alone
Clem made a Raven to look for observers. Now thats something you rarely see a terran do. Most of the time they just scan whenever they can or battle, leaving alone how much inf those observers give. Sadly it didn't last. 19:27 Clem can't make the medivac upgrade since Showtime destroyed the fusion core.
16:11: It's crazy how many Ruptors and Templar Showtime lost to pick-offs and bad routing this game 🙈 21:23 😂 23:30: Missed opportunity. If the Zealots had been told to cut off the army that could have been a game-winning ambush. 38:42:
Weird I've been subbed to this channel for forever and just remembered you existed and had to search for proof of life. Your stuff never shows up anymore.
Every time I watch a protoss player play these top tier terran, I wonder why they bother with disruptors. It seems like they can never land a shot, or maybe a single decent one in the entire game. About the only purpose they seem to serve is in allowing the protoss army to retreat since the terran has to back up to avoid. Is that really worth it? Is this really the role they're supposed to serve? Like, for actual aoe, the psi storms and colossus just seem so much more effective.
It's so frustrating watching a Protoss manage to fend off an early drop harass with little to no losses, then manage to pull off a good counter, taking out more SCVs and doing more economic damage, only for it to not matter in the slightest. Doubly so in the late game when mules take over, and the Terran is able to just build up a mass of OCs to just spam them and constantly spam scan sweep - meanwhile Protoss can't really do much for detection, because scan sweep spots observers and Ghosts can EMP them, allowing them to run amok in the Protoss army with impunity. And even Oracles can only get so close to provide temporary detection, and can't get close at all if there are Vikings in the air. The fact that Showtime had zealots _in Clem's base_ tearing up his production and reinforcements, but still it didn't matter. Man, what is this game? Protoss air cannot reasonably counter Terran air, not with so many Vikings in the air, and that lets the Liberators go wild on the ground forces, it just makes fighting almost impossible. Especially when Vikings outrange the units meant to counter them, and are cheaper to mass than the Tempest. And then on top of all of that, clumps of marines/marauders just melt through buildings so insanely fast with stim, it feels so oppressive to play against. That they also just rip through units that on paper are supposed to counter them is crazy to me.
Protoss just sucks and pvp is boring outside of cheese. Blizzard is just really bad at doing regular balance updates & so have little to no experience how to balance stuff. Like there was never a time when voidrays were good but also fun to play against.
Showtime showed how a Protoss can be strategic and winning advantages at various stages of the game even against the best Terran, but in the end Clem is just too strong for Showtime - Showtime couldn't macro and micro at the same time nearly as well, and in the end his resources ran out at times and the army couldn't be replenished quick enough. Of course, I'm sure the gold and silver level toss players are just gonna whine their guts out as usual - it just explains why they're so bad at the game LOL
@@MrVeryfrost and do what with those lose them to a lib siege? mmm at that point with +3 will rip that appart, and he DID fight on batteries it just doesn't help that much super battery/batteries in general have been GUTTED over a series of patches genuinely there needs to be some form of decent ranged AA anti armor for toss tempests phoenix and voids all get absolutely annihilated by Vikings which only worry about HT and stalkers neither of which fly since air is the only way to dislodge a lib ghost terran but toss loses in the air to a single unit
Watch out. The bronze league hero who said so little in so many words is pointing out the obvious again. It is much harder to deal with 2 medivacs full of bio than it is to deal with 15 zealots, protoss doesn't have many good harass defense options, and even less offensive harass options. Not to mention, 1 ghost does like 1000 damage with EMP, making protoss have to back off instantly or lose the fight.
The first game was so disgusting, only the bs race can be fine after taking that massive worker damage so early in the game, Clem was 26 workers down at 7 minutes (with only 36). I'm not watching a cast of any game with Terran again.
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"I Have no Mouth but I Must Balance Whine" is without question the most terrifying Protoss science fiction short story ever. Written by Adoon Asimov iirc.
Harlan Jealouson actually
😂😂😂
Prostagma Khalos!
Lol... i just read that and now i am seeing references to it EVERYWHERE
I can see why protoss players would be alcoholics too.
38:00 that reference to the song "Should I stay or should I go" :D cheff's kiss. thanks winter.
Clem really sees the Matrix now with terran. He just knows which units, which action, when to use at the perfect time. It's crazy
He makes it look like Terran was ridiculously overpowered all along, but the problem was that all Terran players (including him) simply sucked until now.
Everytime I see Clem Play I can almost hear his opponents scream in frustration:
WHY! WON'T! YOU!! DIE!!!
Shaq at the free throw line 😂
That cracked me up 😂
When 2 pokemon love each other, they have a special hug, and nine months later an archon is born.
„Fade away“ to discripe retreating while disruptor shoots go off - I like it a lot
26:56 somehow Clem has returned
You can't leave me hanging for a whole day! I had to go back in time to get my WinterSC fix! addicted
Had to listen to your intro about 100 times over the months, realised I wasn’t even subscribed. I just did, keep going you jimmy
i think showtime has the right idea, clem just finds the little edges using his crazy micro to find picks w/ his ghosts.
What little edges do you mean? He simply sieges up 7 Liberators you cant attack into and then destroys shields with Ghosts.You cant trade against this and it has nothing to do with edges.
A well microd terran army is hard to beat. Protoss lacks a strong way to deal with liberators, tempest seem like the right idea, but they hit like noodles. Needing 6 (according to winter) to take down liberators is a lot of supply doing very little other than poke while vikings pick them apart.
@@Falorik the high templar consistently getting sniped by cloaked ghosts diving into enemy lines
@@Fam0usFarm3r We need to make it common knowledge that pre-sieging a unit like Liberators requires no skill while countering it requires insane micro, apm and skill!
And APM is a ressource!
And Terran has lots of this:
Dropping marines for example requires little apm, but countering it requires a lot of apm.
Ghosts requieres little apm, countering them requieres lots of apm.
This is true for most Terran units.
And thats the whole problem: Little effort big reward for almost anything Terran plays
@@Falorik WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Do you want a pacifier baby ?
that crank and mana exchange was hilarious XD
11:05 "unwieldy!" not often you catch vinter slippin, but when he does...
Wow, Clem is an absolute beast!
Our boy MaxPax wouldn't have lost that game with that huge lead
WinterStarcraft, loving the consistent uploads, keep it going
Reaver's getting some love, look at the Special effects on the bomb. Craters, explosive obliteration, giblets.
They look absolutely fcked compared to disrupters
11:52 Dad joke regret is a real feeling
Just came across your videos this past week, great work! Love the commentary! Keep it up! Definitely Subbed
I literaly feels good when I watch Winter, he is the best !
Great job !
He gives insights about what's going to happen, what should be done, and what shouldn't, instead of just telling the real time progression commentary of the game. He really knows the game and the players with minute details. That sets him apart from other commentator for me.
@@imadude85 Yeah I agree, and the funny moments about Jim, Brenda, the music when à fleet beacon is constructing, etc etc, makes him even more entertaining and awesome to follow and watch =)
Hope to see more Maxpax and Reynor! As always, marvelous job winter!
Yay, more content!
Hey! Clem's trading card has been updated!
Year, smashed the like-button.
I love friendly pro player banter. I was there was more of it
Is there a reason Toss players don't just make like a single Phoenix to dislodge the medivac with marines in the back? Like at 04:42. I can see the stargate isn't being used for anything. It seems like a better way to dislodge the drop than just endlessly patrolling stalkers in the area. I also noticed this in Clem's games with Her0 where Clem killed like over a dozen workers of Her0's with a Raven in the back that Her0 never dealt with.
I'd imagine it's because the Phoenix won't actually kill the medivac since they have such low damage and range or it's just too much to manage as pro level protoss is already a lot to control
"Is there a reason Toss players don't just make like a single Phoenix to dislodge the medivac with *marines* in the back?"
well you just said it. 1 phoenix will just die to marines
@@benismann which means you also need enough stalkers to kill 8 stimmed marine's sitting where ever the medivac tries to unload overall its way too much effort to dislodge 550/100 by spending 650/300 on units alone
because pheonixs deal negative damage to units that are not mutalisks. it would just be tickled as it ferried units across.
Me = bronze level idiot putting 2 cannons behind every mineral line because $300 costs less than 12 dead probes.
Nice video! as usual! can i ask you why you stoped upploading BAR videos? did you stop play ?
Thank you Winter!
Clem made a Raven to look for observers. Now thats something you rarely see a terran do. Most of the time they just scan whenever they can or battle, leaving alone how much inf those observers give. Sadly it didn't last.
19:27 Clem can't make the medivac upgrade since Showtime destroyed the fusion core.
Is it even worth it for protoss to play out long matches with terran? It seems so Terran favored
Last game was the best! ;)
Shaw at the free throw line, your “post youth” comment of the day :)
It feels wierd coming bsck i hope winter is enjoying himself still, he sounds dsdder then the past
You going to try out the new terran 3rd person shooter SM2, winter?
16:11: It's crazy how many Ruptors and Templar Showtime lost to pick-offs and bad routing this game 🙈
21:23 😂
23:30: Missed opportunity. If the Zealots had been told to cut off the army that could have been a game-winning ambush.
38:42:
I haven't watched Starcraft without Zerg in many years. So weird! =D
Lol the bonus game was better than the main event!
Funny bonus game 10/10🎉
EVO is a cool game for the spoiler shield game
Clem is OP 😄😄😄
Ghetto blink xD, that one got me
I do miss being young and playing brood war…mostly being young but also playing as toss. Now I’m sc2 Terran. Despicable.
More Clem
Thank You
Om nom nom
That was the best protoss play against clem. I believe emp has to be nerfed just a tiny bit. It makes archons absolute.
RIP Rick, the Reaper
thank
good day indeed
Remember when pros never repaired ?
Best Caster ever ❤
yes it is legal to be good and ambush a retreat example, even if it hurt
I had the shittiest of days, but it just got a whole lot better!!
i announce it: i beat majority of pros in 6minutesif necessary and they usually not do what necessary for resist it, builts
thanks
33:34 😂😂😂😂
Weird I've been subbed to this channel for forever and just remembered you existed and had to search for proof of life. Your stuff never shows up anymore.
Good stuff
This channel should be renamed “ClemPlayStarCraft” but gotta admit Clem is by far the most entertaining player to watch
Every second game I click has serral. Protoss vs Terran is rather rare on this channel, imo.
Added my like
now I wish SC2 queens had scarabs...
It's not a best of 3 it's a best of 2 in the WTL.
Well, well, well, Jimmy!, Winter Casting SC2 ✨️ 👌 With Clem featured. Ahh, Fanboys unite🎉🎉
Crank got shafted.
I want to test Jimmy, can you commentate a 4V4?
Every time I watch a protoss player play these top tier terran, I wonder why they bother with disruptors. It seems like they can never land a shot, or maybe a single decent one in the entire game. About the only purpose they seem to serve is in allowing the protoss army to retreat since the terran has to back up to avoid. Is that really worth it? Is this really the role they're supposed to serve? Like, for actual aoe, the psi storms and colossus just seem so much more effective.
Great games. Excellent Anti Spoiler! GGFTF!
I knew Clem was going to be great the first time I watched him play. Back then he had the right idea but just couldn’t find his style.
I forgot reavers existed in sc2
It's so frustrating watching a Protoss manage to fend off an early drop harass with little to no losses, then manage to pull off a good counter, taking out more SCVs and doing more economic damage, only for it to not matter in the slightest. Doubly so in the late game when mules take over, and the Terran is able to just build up a mass of OCs to just spam them and constantly spam scan sweep - meanwhile Protoss can't really do much for detection, because scan sweep spots observers and Ghosts can EMP them, allowing them to run amok in the Protoss army with impunity. And even Oracles can only get so close to provide temporary detection, and can't get close at all if there are Vikings in the air.
The fact that Showtime had zealots _in Clem's base_ tearing up his production and reinforcements, but still it didn't matter. Man, what is this game? Protoss air cannot reasonably counter Terran air, not with so many Vikings in the air, and that lets the Liberators go wild on the ground forces, it just makes fighting almost impossible. Especially when Vikings outrange the units meant to counter them, and are cheaper to mass than the Tempest. And then on top of all of that, clumps of marines/marauders just melt through buildings so insanely fast with stim, it feels so oppressive to play against. That they also just rip through units that on paper are supposed to counter them is crazy to me.
Please let this help me fall asleep.
TvP isnt really a fair matchup
Protoss just sucks and pvp is boring outside of cheese.
Blizzard is just really bad at doing regular balance updates & so have little to no experience how to balance stuff.
Like there was never a time when voidrays were good but also fun to play against.
Lol
Lmao even
Reavers imba!
Showtime outplayed Clem that first game, upgrades, economy, run by, etc. Terran is too efficient
You've have the like and subscribe. Now I can offer you a second watch because I fell asleep and would like to watch this again.
At this point you can tell only raynor barely beats clem with 28376367 rmp per second...
Nice
.. I've usually a ratio of 1 on 50,means need 50 units warriors for kill me an scv lol
Showtime! Nerf Terran!
Plot twist: there is no Jimmy😅
Some "likes'n'subscribes" in advance, will watch it later
I bet Clem does mind additional pylons in his main base. (More on my dronelyfans)
Does Jimmy exist?
empo like give a chanceto enemy and let em try.. play with em as a cat play with a mouses hours
Showtime showed how a Protoss can be strategic and winning advantages at various stages of the game even against the best Terran, but in the end Clem is just too strong for Showtime - Showtime couldn't macro and micro at the same time nearly as well, and in the end his resources ran out at times and the army couldn't be replenished quick enough. Of course, I'm sure the gold and silver level toss players are just gonna whine their guts out as usual - it just explains why they're so bad at the game LOL
I'd argue it also does show the issues protoss has it just cannot effectively deal with lib ghost
Instead of throwing 200 zealots, he could have planted a forest of cannons and/or batteries.
Incoming "Nerf Terran" whiners. Any moment now
@@MrVeryfrost and do what with those lose them to a lib siege? mmm at that point with +3 will rip that appart, and he DID fight on batteries it just doesn't help that much super battery/batteries in general have been GUTTED over a series of patches genuinely there needs to be some form of decent ranged AA anti armor for toss tempests phoenix and voids all get absolutely annihilated by Vikings which only worry about HT and stalkers neither of which fly since air is the only way to dislodge a lib ghost terran but toss loses in the air to a single unit
Watch out. The bronze league hero who said so little in so many words is pointing out the obvious again. It is much harder to deal with 2 medivacs full of bio than it is to deal with 15 zealots, protoss doesn't have many good harass defense options, and even less offensive harass options. Not to mention, 1 ghost does like 1000 damage with EMP, making protoss have to back off instantly or lose the fight.
He should have done air toss earlier
Wow, you guys are so quick to comment.
I've got to refresh constantly to try and be first around here.
🌩
"They heal which Protoss can do nothing of the sort."
EVERY UNIT AND BUILDING HAS SHIELDS THAT RECHARGE
whoops, had to get that off my chest. XD
Moar SC Evo
dronely fans gets me everytime.
swag
Day 43 asking for a Brenda t shirt.
"Get off my CREEP!!"
exceptif you wanna win in 5mintes,it'suseless send useless units as zergling,reapers and adepts on start of a game.. at least vs me
There are Masters, Grand Masters and Clem Masters. Showtime is in a lower league. RIP
#FreeJimmy
The first game was so disgusting, only the bs race can be fine after taking that massive worker damage so early in the game, Clem was 26 workers down at 7 minutes (with only 36).
I'm not watching a cast of any game with Terran again.
EMP should be nerfed.
Clem is OP... Not terrans
En taro complaino about my wife-o
Seeing clem is just getting boring as he wins all the time
Lol, indeed. I'm a terran, so I'm biased towards him and other terrans. 😊