Madeline Soto Murder: Stephan Sterns' Secret Text Messages
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- Murder suspect Stephan Sterns was using Telegram, an encrypted instant messaging app, the night before Madeline Soto was reported missing. #CourtTV's Vinnie Politan investigates an image seen on the app and how it all possibly connects Sterns to the murder of the 13-year-old.
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04:50 Stephan Sterns' Telegram App Usage
17:59 Expert Analysis
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00:00 Madeline Soto Case Backgrounder
04:50 Stephan Sterns' Telegram App Usage
17:59 Expert Analysis
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The timetable in the first minute is wrong, as it says Monday 27th and it was the 26th.
Thank you!
Telegram is a garabage app that promotes criminal activity.
What Gray Is talking about called the Nth chatrooms. This happened in South Korea. All the information about that case is available for research.
The perps were making the victims do horroble things for subscribers.
I am not going to talk about it here, research it for ypurself.
I think the worst thing is that over 234k were subscribed.
I was saying this on FB there is no way he just kept all those images for himself...
Stay safe everyone, please...
26:05 Did the video end here for all of you? under the conversation? This happens to me very often on court TV...
Is it just me or someone else?
So Gray can talk about the Nth chatrooms and we can't comment?
It is imperative that the two are connected. That Stephan was busy on the telegram app.
It puts two amd two together.
You shouldn't restrict ppl's right to be informed.
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"sexual performance by a child" 5 words that should NEVER be used in a sentence. Sickening.
This country the way thecpeople in charge are running it are looking to normalize pedophilia ......I dont know how anyone can support this ......biden himself said and I quote ....they are not just your children they are everybodys unquote !!!!
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It's ghastly 😮
I agree
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The "mother" knew. She's known for years. I don't care if she was scared, or even a victim herself. She had a duty to protect that child and she didn't. She is 100% complicit and should rot in jail too
She looked and acted so dense in the interview. And the breaking their normal pattern with him taking her to school instead of her and the timeline implicates the mother. 😮
How the Mother claim to not knew he been doing this for years,I find that very hard to believe.....
As someone who has been in the cell phone industry for 22 years, you CANNOT accidentally factory reset your phone. There are multiple steps to complete this.
And I'm sure that a factory worker wouldn't have time to put that kind of stuff on the phone to begin with. I would be very surprised if they did.
@@karentucker2161 that’s not what a factory reset is😭😭😭😭 grammy
Yep. Theres no way absolutely not
Exactly.
cellphone industry or not it’s commons sense really we know it takes some clicking double clicking etc and swiping to reset and premission from the device
Why does no one else find it incredibly bizarre that they threw a birthday party for her on a day her mom had to work? Like I cannot fathom anyone throwing a party for me as a child on a day my MOTHER wouldn’t be able to attend…
@Cmoreau27 said this from the beginning.. ESPECIALLY that they weren’t even celebrating ON her actual birthday..( not uncommon) WHY choose a day that mom “cannot “ be there..
She was called into work. Mom had a special day with maddie on her actual bday
Her mother didn't protect her. I hope she gets arrested and charged too
Her mother might of not have known it’s ridiculous to accuse her without knowing the facts there are children who are abused by there own biological fathers who are married to biological mothers & the mothers don’t know or had no idea men like him are good at what they do
@jennifersantos7307 she knew she was lying about her daughter abiding that sick man. His friend said he stayed woth Jenn because he liked doing crazy sexual stuff and most women didn't want to do , but Jenn went along with it, and an ex girlfriend claims he wanted her to wear pigtails and act like a child during sex and call him daddy during performance. So stop excusing her ! That's what she did for this man.
She knew , she wouldn't of lied to police if she was cluelesss
I'm not sure if she is Sane 🤔
Or just not here
@jennifersantos7307
The mother lied in the televised interview about seeing her get dressed at 8 am. when she was dead laying out in his car. They have a video of him throwing her backpack and her school tablet away at 7:15. She also said we took her to school and she lied about that. She knew she absolutely knew. You might want to listen and read the facts...
This man only got close to the mom to get to the child
They were groomed for sure
True.😢
Fact 😞
mom is just as guilty she was in on it
Yes!!!!! No doubt!
She saw her getting dressed at 8am (which we know is a lie based on evidence) but never spoke to her that morning??? That’s the worst attempt at a lie I’ve ever heard.
Once this case is complete and he is exposed we are all going to stunned by the horror. This poor child kept this secret for 4 years!
😢 horrible.
I agree. I worked with a guy who adopted a girl when she was young come to find out he was sodomizing her and doing everything he's now in prison
So alone😢
She was a minor and her Mom will probably never allow the details to come out. We will probably never know even how she died.
@@MandySisk unless there's a trial
I hate when the put the pic of the victim next to the predator. She deserves better in her memory.
I can’t stand it. She looks happy, sweet, full of life and he looks like he has no soul….
I was literally thinking the very same!
Yes I always think of that when you google this kind of stories is the pic of the victim next ti the monster forever is gross
Same!
I totally agree with you.
I love how Vinny hates Stephan
Vinny is a spicy meatball! As a Jersey girl, I can attest! We ALL need a little Vinnie in our lives 🩵
Me toooooo!!! The hate is UNMATCHED
Me too he says what I'm yelling at screen and it makes me feel better.
Stephan
Me too!!
Did the mom ever take her to yearly checkups ? Did doctors never notice anything abnormal? This is so sad 😢
Does your pediatrician do pap smears on prepubescent children as part of an annual checkup?? That's extremely abnormal and I'd find a new doctor.
Id say itd be up to a parent to express those concerns before they would do it.
I was taken to.yearly exams and my doctors never knew. They usually don't do those types.of exams that young.
I believe the mom knew though but can say it's possible not to know I can for 💯 say my mom did not know til I opened up and spoke
There would have been abnormalities in her underclothes that any mother could have spotted and any doctor could have noticed had she been properly cared for. In fact, pediatricians are trained to check quickly babies once over and possibly even children to make sure there is nothing wrong down there in the case of child abuse. It's totally a thing!
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Trust NO ONE with your children! They deserve to be cherished and protected above all else.
Yep! Cant believe the amount of people who get a partner and willingly let them around their children leaving them vulnerable 😢
I won't let my just turned 8 years old, have sleepovers at her school friends' houses. She is not happy about it. But I'm not willing to risk it.
So that sicko was brazen enough to livestream his assault on poor girl. All the adults in her life failed her miserably
Plus the idea that some other sickos encouraged him to such a thing perhaps for profit.
I had a feeling it was too much of a coincidence being her 13th birthday. Look into the case that just happened in South Korea. There's a bunch of men that compete with the abuse. It was called 'the Drs room'
What is wrong with people!?!????? Seriously!! 😒
no. he had the ability to, but we don't know if he did or not.
@@WindTurbineSyndromeexactly right. Those sickos sharing disgusting acts on these poor babies.
I already feel bad for the public defender that has to defend this monster.
Same
No, I don't think he has a public defender. This man lived in a gated community, and has made tons of money selling kiddie porn.
They have said all along that he Lawyered up. He didn't request a P.D. he hired or already had his own lawyer.
I’ll be shocked if there is a trial. The incriminating evidence is so stacked I don’t see how he could plead anything but guilty, especially on the current charges.
@@PJTYLERGated communities are not uncommon in central FL, I live nearby and can tell you that community is nothing special. There's a lot of vacation rentals in there for tourists. Jenn's family owns that property, probably was a vacation home investment. Again not uncommon or very expensive. If you look across the street from that community, there's one of the nastiest ghetto run down neighborhoods in Kissimmee. His family on the other hand do seem to be pretty well off. The last I heard is he does have a public defender.
Sounds like a job for Jose Baez. 🙄
That poor little girl had the saddest eyes.
I thought that too. They seem to tell her whole story. It breaks my heart to look at her.
That what I said how her dame grandma and aunties or what ever evil family didn't noticed if hope they burned in hell same as her mother who was infatuated bro this man oh God her own dad let her alone without his support and spend time with her may be she will teld him Dad I need you my mom and her lover are doing nasty things to me but she never did cuz never had a real dad. Shame on this man never will be bless cuz he forgot his daughter well being now is up to God she can have justice this little girl
@rosalainz2165 Agreed. She was failed by every single person in her life. 🥺
That 8am comment is going to lock her up.
We pray that lady go jail
I can’t understand why they had her birthday party while mom was at work. I’ve raised three kids on my own and I have always been the one to plan and “host” their parties, even when the parties were at Grandmas house.
Exactly
Shows the degree of disfunctionality in this family.
The party could have been done the weekend before or after Madeleine’s birthday. It was her 13th birthday,which is a big deal.
Also, the party was at the grandmother’s home. That means Stephan took Madeline home after the party. Madeline was alone with him for the rest of the evening and night.
Jenn is sick! Letting her daughter get abused. There is no way she didn’t know.
I’m sure that woman don’t work 24/7, so it’s safe to say that she didn’t want to attend her daughter’s birthday party.
Yes, that's so weird that she'd throw her daughter's birthday party on a day when she's working.... that makes no sense at all
That’s one thing I’ll never understand…how does a mother miss her child’s birthday party? Especially her 13th birthday? If she had to work, why not schedule it for a different day or ask for the day/time off. It makes no sense.
Yep. Exactly what I said in a previous comment. I’m a single mom and I work full time so I completely understand the challenges that come with that…however, there is NOTHING that would keep me from my daughters 13th bday party. Absolutely nothing!!!
My thoughts exactly.. no sense.
Mom didn't give a damn that's how. Not one tear shed. Even now she hasn't spoken out against this man. She is sick and may be behind it all
I'm thinking that the way things work in Florida is that everyone is crazy and it's full of sexual perverts.
It's not easy to get time off for such occasions for your children. But for their funeral. Some of these companies are heartless. I'm not making excuses for excuses for her mother. Just my experience. This is heartbreaking.
As soon as I heard the word Telegram I knew what it was. This sicko was sharing all the images of poor Madeline/ or whoever else. Madeline’s mom absolutely had something to do with it. Justice for Madeline❤
Yep.
He was probably making a ton of money on there
She's sleeping in the way to school yet wanted to walk half a mile to school?
It was a lie.. the police have video of her in the car and she wasn't alive although i don't understand how they are completely sure of that
"Mothers" stop peddling your daughters to hold onto a man!
Yas!!! 👏
Even if you don't have children, you shouldn't stay in a "relationship" with a scumbag, out of fear of being alone.
Right?? I can’t even wrap my freaking head around it! 🤯🤬🤬
I agree. All those people should be put in jail forever!!!
@@MiraculousAngelTarot 100% agreed!
WHY did the mother report the girl missing at 8 PM that night rather than right after she was not there at school ???!!!!!! Mother is guilty with her conflicting stories and body language in her interviews. She had to have KNOWN her daughter was being abused by this creep.
Or he has her threatened and petrified
Perhaps, but I doubt this. This has been going on too long for a caring mother not to DO something over the years. There could be pedophiles in her immediate family she grew up in. It's all just a sad and very sick case. @@julieboice180
She called the police around 4pm but they didn’t send a unit out until 8
That's not what has been reported. Where did you get this ???? A missing child could be killed within 24 hours, and they often are. And she WAS.@@birdie9240
If the mother was at the at the school to pick her up, evidently she didn’t know everything
That dude definitely not making past 3 months in prison
Vinny’s disdain for Stephan is UNMATCHED
Sterns seen with her body deceased in the car and discarding her belongings in the trash is proof and reason enough to arrest him for murder wth
Soon as charged are filed the clock is ticking. With Sterns in jail on other charges they have time to properly gather evidence and create a case.
They need to take their time and make it a slam dunk case. The charges he has now is enough to keep him in jail forever. They want to get justice for Madeleine at this point and they will.
I think they will but they want to have all their ducks lined up. They do not want this creep to get off on a technicality.
He will be charged, but they want to build a solid case first.
When cops investigate on stuff like this they want to make sure they have the hook, line and sinker. They don’t want him to be able to get out of any of the charges they bring
She looks sicker to me the older she gets. Her eyes look hollow. Poor baby. This sickens me.
Trauma 😢
I agree. Saddest thing to watch happen, in the pictures of her.
I noticed too how bad she looks in some pictures. So sad her mom and I use that word loosely did not notice or chose to ignore it.
Probably pregnant😮
@@crm208 I wondered that too. If that’s why.
How in the hell do you look a child in the face during the daytime and know that you are abusing her in private … I would literally be sick to my stomach if I were Madeline all the time.
She was groomed.
That is child neglect, the mom should be responsible as well
“There’s predators everywhere”. Yes… I’ve realized that too 😞 it’s scary. Very scary.
It's our job to be vigilant
A lot of them, is insane
Predators on adult women too so be careful! Serial gropers are out there! It’s so scary how you can get assaulted!
There seems to be no depth to Sterns' depravity. That poor kid. Florida is waiting for all the facts from autopsy and toxicology and trying to get a case built before charges will be filed. He ain't going nowhere.
Yes, it is so important that they get every detail right for a charge like that to make a case stick legally. Fortunately, he's not going anywhere. The justice system has time on its side.
Yes sick guy. An ex gf was interviewed on a video n she said in intimacy that he was very tough n it hurt her a mom of 3. She says she feels soo sorry for maddie such a young girl go thru this n ontop of it tough aggressive… Sweet Maddie I wish you n all other abused kids would never have to go thru these horrible things.. Prayers for family n friends who actually loved her…🙏🙌🙏
I think his depravity goes deep. There's apparantly no end to the depth of it. Imo
I don’t understand how no other adults were aware of this abuse if it had been happening over the course of 5 years 😒
No one knew about mine that went on for 3 years. 1 in 9 US children are s.e.x.u.a.l.l.y abused and it is not always known.
Her grandmother seems to be partecipant in Madeline's life, I would be surprised if she didn't notice.
I’m VERY sure her mother knew, but just turned a blind eye so she could hang onto her man. Absolutely disgusting.
@@TwoShedsJackson What evidence is there that she knew. Please show me where this is. Give me your evidence that police don't have.
Poor baby!!! After all the abuse, she manages to keep a smile on her face.
Look at Harmony. Big smile in every pic. 💔
They tormented this child! Her Mother is a poor excuse for a Loving mother! Why the heck was he crying and she petting him like a cat? Were they both responsible for her death? Who assaulted the child? Who gave Madeline the blows to her head and took her breath out of her body? Did Madeline finally fight back? Was Mom aware of the entire situation? Why are these two covering for each other? What kind of twisted life was Madeline forced to live? I have no pity for either of them!
Crying? Did you see any tears? I did not. Maybe I missed them.
We don’t even know how she died & stop blaming her mother we don’t know if she knew how about wait for the facts before u speculate everyone attacking her mother when we don’t know what her mother knew it seems like her mother didn’t know anything
@@Go_Ask_M0m oh, he was trying real hard to cry and said, “It’s his fault that she’s not here.” Why is it his fault? What is the Real story?
@@jennifersantos7307are you Jen in disguise??? Her mom is totally at fault
@@weddletina777 after what came out today… I think he killed her during/after he assaulted her and he sold the video for a lot of money
The mother also needs to be locked up. She failed her daughter.
Dad too
Parents, Teach your kids the difference between good and bad touch!! Weirdos, Leave kids alone!!!!!!
Her mother was either active and involved, or at the very least either aware and complicit of what was going on and what happened to her and you can’t convince me otherwise. I hope she gets charged too.
That selfie of sterns.... it is disturbing, he looks so weird, specially his eyes🤢
You can just see the darkness in his eyes. He has a creepy vibe about him
Yes he gives off creep vibes to me
What is the time in this video where the selfie you are talking about comes up?
His eyes are very creepy. You have to look away its that creepy
@@anonymousfx486 it’s at 4:54.
He has demonic eyes.
I can't stand his face!
Dead eyes.
His eyes look black. Like his soul.
He is the devil
I read that her mom is refusing to cooperate with the investigators. There's no way the mom didn't know, she's his accomplice and deserves the same fate.
I know someone who has bipolar depression and they medicate them self too much to where they sleep as much as they can . Maby Maddie’s mom wasn’t involved as much as she should have been. She was dealing with depression and terrible thoughts. She probably took things to help her knock out and sleep that’s why she wakes up tired because she’s groggy from medication. And that man took advantage of both of them. He knew exactly what he was doing. I pray for maximum justice.
I think the same thing. I think her mental health is a huge factor in this case. She reminds me of Helga Pataki's mom in the show Hey! Arnold. Always under the influence, never really there.
You are 100% correct.
Someone who knew Maddie's mom said exactly what you posted.
This guy is a monster. That poor child. Still waiting on ME report and autopsy. She looks pregnant in her birthday photo. How horribly sad.
And her mother is a co conspirator when she lied about dropping her off at school.
I’m sure her mom knew and had her on the pill
@@terricaf4621 Are you "sure"? Sure?! How is that even possible? you people are crazy
@@esme765 because anybody can get on birth control you people are stuppppid as f
She didn’t lie she literally corrects herself in the same interview I say we also when it comes to my child I always say we including my husband it’s just something I do he does it as well even if he isn’t involved in whatever we are talking about I always say we she could have been nervous in shock still like she had just found out her daughter was missing a few hours beforehand y’all are so vicious & so quick to blame her mother you don’t even know the facts yet you don’t know anything stop blaming her mom for something this man did
From watching a lot of predator hunter videos and seeing more than enough horrible crime stories involving children, it seems Telegram is a predators playground.
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Facts
If they can ban TikTok why not Telegram?
@@moonpixyart4562 They should ban all encrypted and easy delete apps cause all they really do is protect creeps like these from being held accountable.
In Spain is banning telegram now.
There's no way the mom did not know.
Vinnie good reporting thanks for your time and you are always speaking for the victims. I will never forget this young girl she deserves Justice. Justice for Madeline ❤️🌸
Thank you Vinnie for always fighting for the victims and keeping these cases in the forefront of people’s minds.
So mom says she saw her before school??? Sure you did
They "believe" she was dead before school. Autopsy has not come in so time of unliving isn't known.
Mom is a liar and she should be arrested asap
You guys are ON IT!!!! Thank you 🙏🏼
One minute Grey Hughes says Court Tv sucks, next minute he’s a guest 😂
He is a bully.
He’s disgusting
Yeah, Grey attacked me in a very disturbing way simply because I thought his first guest of a friend of Stephan admitting he knew 10+ years ago that Stephan had child p on his computer and never reported it because they were paid off, was despicable.
That visor hair combo is criminal
Not surprised he was using Telegram. Here in Italy there are hundreds of groups sharing all kinds of disgusting stuff, but as soon as one gets taken down a new one is born😥
Mrta.etc..sue .millions.and close down..these sites..dark web.etc..filthy money being made..bill gates..who r u.and others as urself...how can u sleep..😢😢😢😢
So very sad. Disgusting heartbreaking and infuriating
Humans are so scary nowadays.
@@Jenny-dv2trthey've always been, now u have more access to that information
YEA ANYTHING ON TELEGRAM IS DISGUSTING AND A SCAM
Poor child surrounded by evil in her own home 💔😪
The autopsy will reveal what happened to her !! I don’t get why it’s taking them so long to say what really happened to this beautiful little girl ! She deserves justice ASAP
He's in custody for all the charges pertaining on what was found on his phone. They don't want to rush it before gathering critical information. I understand that part, she needs justice so getting and looking into all the information is critical to be able to achieve justice.
If mom was aware of the activity, she may have felt jealousy against her daughter😢
I wonder how many other victims he’s responsible for? This can’t be the first he disposed of a victim.
I think the murder could have been an accident; maybe he was going to abuse her again before school and maybe she fought back and he killed her for it
I think that’s why it’s taking so long. They are trying to figure out all of his victims and where all those images went to.
You will have justice Madeline.
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Hi Vini! Love your guys channel & live feeds on fb! Thank you for this video
What an excellent and informative video! Gray's work in this has been riveting!
Why can't you tell when the mother got off of work? Did she drive home? Seems like there needs to be a better time-line of mom.
Police most likely know.
The police are mum about Jenny because I think they are skinning her. She has made things difficult probably by lawyering up. The police will make the big reveal after they have her confession. And knowing that criminals don't spill the beans easily, we have a long wait probably.
Why is Telegram allowed and they want to ban Tik Tok??
Tiktok is more dangerous when compared to Telegram. Here in India, our government banned ALL Chinese apps.
Seriously!?
Tik Tok is garbage too!!! 🤦♂️
Right?!
good question
Thx Vinnie, another great report
You too together always do awesome work!! Gray Hughes is so good and thorough with his investigation! Thank yall for the great work!
My heart is broken for Madeline.
She’s a beautiful Angel now in Heaven, no more pain 🕊️👼🪽❤
This isn't normal?! It seems more than clear to me that Sterns has everything to do with sweet Madeline being murdered... did he agree with her mother to lie to everyone?! I don't know, but something isn't right here, and I hope with all my heart this gets resolved quickly so Madeline can rest in peace.
Grey = a yt content creator accused multiply times on his platform to thousands that Kaylees’s sweet EX was her murderer AND the murderer of the other 3 (Idaho 4) as well. He never apologized EVER for his obscene accusations. That’s is the kind of MAN he is. This guy claims he talked to four friends (MAYBE MAYBE NOT). He says nothing insightful or new on the Maddy case. ZERO
Gray Is A Scammer..
Thank you for the information 🙏
The telegram makes me wonder if he gave her to someone. Also how many girlfriends with kids has he had? And what about his friends? 🤢
With what little I've heard about that app, I wouldny be a bit surprised. Sickos on there.
The mother knew.
Did you notice Stephan said in an interview he's surprised in 2024, there aren't more cameras?
I really wish he would quit calling her Jen, as if she's a close friend . She has a part to play in this horrific tragedy She's NOT Jen She's Jennifer a person of interest.
It’s highly offensive that one of your contributors cracked a “Weekend at Bernie’s” joke relative to poor Maddie’s body being driven around. In fact, when you have these panelists/experts/guests they (and you Vinnie who I normally admire) should cease and desist with the coy and snarky insiders type commentary when discussing these serious topics. Imagine a family member tuning in and hearing that child’s post-murder car trip being compared to a lame sick joke movie. Shame on you.
That caught me off guard too, plus all the panel guests sat there grinning as they're introduced..you're about to discuss the ab÷se & murder of a young girl & you're smiling like you're about to promo your album release, wth. They need to show more respect for what they're talking about. The Weekend At Bernie's thing was so shocking. It's a deceased child..what are you doing sir?!
Misogyny sells! 🤑🤡🌎💁♂️
People are using this tragedy to line their own pockets, sickening.
No respect for the victim, clear as day
I agree despicable!! People are sick.
Totally agree, this is not the first time a panelist on Vinnie's show has made an inapproriate or disparaging comment. This has happened several times, I can't help but think they are coached to say controversial things. Shame on CourtTV for having such low standards for content.
I’m shocked Telegram is allowed to operate. If illegal activity is occurring on their website, they need to be held accountable unless those customer conversations are provided to law enforcement.
There is illegal activity happening on every app in existence. Get real. I knew some bonehead would misinterpret this as a call to action against telegram. The problem is Stephen Sterns, not the app.
@@lorenfulghum2393exactly. There’s no controlling the amount of predators out there. They’ll always find a way. All you can do is be careful yourself as a parent
Has nothing to do with Telegram. Whatsapp does the same thing. Even iMessage is end to end encrypted and Apple in the past has been hesitant to give investigators messages.
I think the stipulation should be, in a perfect world, that in child endangerment all of these apps and services should be required by law to give up the data.
Any messenger app is only as bad as the actors using it. Not everyone using Telegram is doing bad things. These predators know what to use to communicate to stay hidden from LE. This is just one of their means.
The problem is that people want their privacy, so what happens in other apps is that the app has more visibility and control over what it’s shared within it but the companies also sell your data. Telegram promises full privacy to their users, so they are not liable for what it’s shared within it as it’s each user responsibility and obviously people doing illegal activities will choose this option, that’s why criminal organizations and terrorists usually have Telegram groups
Yes, I’m so glad you’re giving Gray Hughes credit for this information!!!!!
loving this segment….Bravo to all
i can't even stand to see this monsters face. it creeps me out. it's the face of hidden evil on a level that is incomprehensible.
Hello Vinnie from Canada, how come we're not hearing from any of the family members? If you don't have anything to hide, why lawyer up?
There is but it's in Spanish.
@therealz360z7 The family has made statements after Sterns arrest? On Spanish news?
I can just imagine him creeping up next to her on her birthday and telling her that she looks beautiful and trying to get close to her and her saying no. And I hope that's how it went down I hope she said no and that she took her power back even if it was for one moment.
When you hurt a child, baby, toddler, or handicap person your rights should be taken away ( my opinion), no rights at all.. The harshest sentence must and should be imposed the 1st time, no 2nd chances.. These crimes against children have to stop, hold these mothers accountable as well.. And if they're holding him for what he has in his phone in regards to his abuse of this child, should be enough to convict his tail.. Disgusting
Since she was 8, almost half her life. He is a monstrous creature.
And the timeline for the images he took was every few days, so it was relentless.
@@leeluvslife Oh God!
We are blessed enough to have such comfortable lives in the US, that most people can’t even imagine how prevalent and deep the bad can be. Keep shedding the light in the darkness.
Always a great show with the Silver Foxes 🦊 Vinnie and Gray, quite possibly the best duo ever ❤
Proven: mom lied.
Why haven't they arrested her? She was there when her body was carried out and brought back and forth.
I think they are trying to give her enough room to screw herself. Also, I think she’s in a mental hospital right now. She did that so she wouldn’t be questioned any further, and the police can’t arrest her while she’s there
Right! I'm so sick of people being like, "I'm still on the fence. She could have been in shock & just repeating what Stephan told her." So, Stephan told her she was there and then she wasn't-? He told her she saw her the night before, then oops nvm, she saw her that morning before school-? He told her she called to report Maddie missing at 4:45 PM when she actually called around 8 PM-? He told her to make sh*t up and she just did-? And don't get me started on the whole "she might be afraid of him" BS. She was SURROUNDED by LE after Maddie was reported missing. At no time did she tell them SHE was in danger or scared.
I don't care how terrified I am, NO ONE can force me to repeat lies about the disappearance &/or m*rder of my ONLY child. I'll scream the truth from the rooftops & then you can take me out bc my life would be over at that point. No way in he11 I'd go down protecting the man who SA'ed and ki11ed my only child.
She lied. She wasn't scared. She failed her daughter her whole life. No one should be defending her.
This is so tragic.
Great conversation of issues
As a survivor, what you are not understanding is that the abuser threatens to murder your family and do more harm to you. Unless you have lived it, you have NO right to throw accusations at the mother! Time will tell . It was years before I knew that my family would be safe if I came forward. NOTHING would cause me to believe my family would not die if I told.
@Liveanotherday Not in every case. Mine made no threats, it went on for 3 years and he lived with us. I agree, throwing accusations at the mother at this point is wrong. My parents didn't know. If there is grooming, fear isn't used really. They manipulate instead of threaten.
Nobody asked or cares that you’re a survivor. Ur story has nothing to do with this shut the hell up.
Where were you at momma? Why didn't YOU protect your daughter?
She was complicit
MOM AND BOYFRIEND
If he threw her backpack in a dumpster why hasn't he been charged with murder already at least 50 or more charges.
So sad =( thank you for the updates on Madeline=(
Can you please update us on the Mahogany Jackson case as well? Thank you. 🙏
Hes eyes are so creepy 😞 poor baby rip Madeline 😿
Thanks to Vinnie and the Think Tank. Much appreciated.
Thank you Sir
What is really telling is the mother saying she saw the daughter getting dressed at 8 am. Her interviews are also telling. She seemed entirely detached, she put more emotion into laughing at the parrot than she put into even pretending to care about her missing daughter.
The mother didn't go out with others searching for her child, she said she didn't think she was getting her back okay, she just didn't appear to care. Then there was the video of her all over her boyfriend while he pretended to cry. So very much wrong here.
Please start calling it CSAM. It’s abuse material, not porn. Please.
Very good observation. There is a distinction.
Well said I say this all the time,time to call it what it is, abuse
Regardless they are both revolting and victimising someone for likes
Since the party was at the grandma's house, someone should ask her if Stephan left there with Madeline that evening. I'm wondering if he took her with him and did something seriously bad during the night. Jenifer said she talked with her the night before so where else could Madeline have spent the night? Jenifer was so nervous as well and she said she was with him that morning so I wonder if they both disposed of the body.
This is just on repeat!!!
It's pretty cool to see someone from my state, Delaware, on CourtTV!! ❤
7 hr between the telagram app use and throwing away the book bag 😢 WOW! Her Mother WAS home during that time , the mom saying she saw her getting ready for school. I would think mom would be held responsible for something. After all isn't she Primary Care Taker? Mom is legally Responsible for Maddie. She is a part of this , just by getting on the news and spewing lies .
What time did the mom get home from work? How do you know she was home by then?
@@birdie9240 the mom SAID she was home that Sunday evening and they talked about the party.
@@bsouth7944 evening or night? Could have been at 11pm for all we know…looks like the party went into the evening… I would be interested to find out.
This is the first time I've heard a more mainstream channel mention telegram!!
Someone shut that app down!! Please! I only ever hear it's mentioned on predator catcher websites and that it's full of awful things!
Twice in one day; the veterinarian predator used the App too
Might as well throw the accidental reset out. You have to go to settings and find reset button and it's purposely put in three levels so you don't accidentally hit it! 😊
Telegram needs to be looked at. There was/were cases recently in Korea where a guy who called himself "The Doctor" (The Doctors Room) and another guy calling himself "God God" (The Nth Room) and it was sickening on what they made young girls do. They used Telegram. I think Stern's is involved in something like this and this is one of the reasons the police are taking their time as they should (the main reasons are medical reports).