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Raven was great. Completely agree. Bischoff has said multiple times that he didn't like the character despite what fans thought
I've heard him say that too. Which makes zero sense. It's like dude, if you don't like him or his promos so you don't want to push him, then why did you sign him? The same can be asked about Bret later. Eric if you don't know what to do with him then don't pay him.
Bischoff was on his damn high horse. I loved watching the Raven, Jericho, Juvi, Eddie and so many others.
Raven was never a top guy, his ring work wasn't great and his promos weren't the best. The flock sucked only Saturn who was more talented that raven and Kidman actually had any talent. Raven wasn't even upper midcard with fan favourites buff, DDP and great work horses like Benoit, Eddie.
Raven looked and drressed just like the lead singer of Pearl Jam..And Grunge music lost its popularity by the mid 90'$ Raven was never gonna. A main eventer on the level of Hogan..Sting..Macho..Goldberg ETC.
This is what annoys the shit out of me about people who profess to be business geniuses. They constantly make decisions based on their own personal emotions and rob people of a whole career.
Raven was one of my favorites. Raven fit the 90s era perfectly and was great on the mic. The flock had some great talent in that group too!
100
Don't be a dork and expose your nastolgia! The history books have him labeled as a jobber! And you're associating yourself with a jobber. Even as kids, we all knew he was a jobber
@@brentmichael4770 Well now YOU'RE being full of shit we didn't know he was a "JOBBER" we just saw him and was like THAT GUY??? AGAIN? Hate that guy.
@@brentmichael4770 he held titles in ECW, WCW, and WWE/F that hardly makes him a jobber.
Imagine a Feud between Crow Sting and Raven that would have been money!!!
Raven played the part like a champ, seen him stand in line, buy a beer, walk back to his seat and chill at a Nitro show in Detroit.
“What about me, what about Raven?!”
Most mind grating, annoying catchphrase of my childhood.
"That doesn't work for me brother"
” Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.”
That's WCW in a nutshell, they had some great ideas but executed them awfully, the Flock could have been Amazing.
True. But then Kevin nash came out one Thursday night and destroyed.
Especially if there were less members and only really good ones
Even if things were executed better, Hogan and the like put a stop to anything that drives attention away from that lot.
Whether it's Raven's Flock or the Wyatt family, the rich guy in charge (and his top chosen gimps) refuses to let any organic group steal their thunder or undermine even vaguely perceive threaten mountain of money. Control freaks that routinely deny us and future fake and marks lick their boots for it.
Sadly a lot of the "higher-up" types in WCW and WWF(E) didn't understand Raven's gimmick and that was the real setback. But all of us fans sure as hell got it.
Because it is, whether people like it or not, a fairly backward and creatively stunted business and culture. Also toxic to the core.
I'm not a wrestler, but I have enough personal insight to figure out where Raven fell short. And to make it clear I always liked Raven. When I was a kid in the mid to late 90s, I always wanted to be a wrestler particularly in WCW and All Japan (AJPW), and the character I created was called "Scourge". He was pretty grungy and reflective of that era, but unlike Raven, Scourge still had the cartoon-ish 1980s aspects. From what I have told "old school" wrestlers I've met & chatted with asking for feedback, they think it would've gotten over well with good money. Same whenever I meet old-timers today. I ultimately decided not to pursue wrestling when WCW sold in 2001 and AJPW sold in 2003. I think that might have been Raven's problem, not being able to balance grunginess with a more "traditional" type of wrestling character. If he did, I'm sure he would've went further than he did.
To give an idea, Scourge's gimmick was that of a Hun that was a direct descendant of Attila The Hun, where Scourge was a nomadic Hungarian shaman who practiced black magic. At the same time, he was a cocky & arrogant bully with a self-inflated ego, a natural non-forced heel. I'm 5 foot 10, but with boots on I'd be 6 foot. He'd wear red, black or green traditional trunks with a metal stud belt (much like in heavy metal) & a noseless skull buckle with a red blood tear (black tear for PG shows), boots with the same skulls on them, and had a nice shirtless physique with tattoos saying "𐱅𐰭𐰼𐰃" ("Tengri" in runes) and a Hungarian tricolor headband.
Aesthetically, he'd be like Nine Inch Nails album art, but other than that Scourge was based on the old school "wrestling bubble" template and would've started out in the territory system (most likely AWA if I was born in the 1960s hehe). Raven's character on the other hand had completely different roots in the underground wrestling scene & music industry (outside the "old school bubble"), which is where Hogan, Bischoff and the old-timers didn't "get" Raven.
Imagine marking for a certified shitter…kwab.
WWF didn't like Scott after the Johnny Polo fallout, so when he came back in 2001, he already had way too many enemies including Vince.
@@ordohereticus3427 That used to be more true in the past. With the company being sold that kind of old school attitude is being phased out. WWE will continue to shift more towards a normal business and not a McMahon playground.
Raven was what a heel should look like. Great on the mic, great gimmick.
And a fuckin solid hand too.
0:11 Raven made the cover of that video game because Raven was one of the game developer's favorite wrestlers--not because he was super over. Here's the quote from Raven on the issue:
"To answer the burning question (hopefully not in your crotches), of why I was on the cover of the video game...
The guy who created the game told me later, that I was his favorite wrestler so he put me on the cover... & also the Illuminati were recruiting me"
I still appreciate the sentiment from Stevie Richards.
Raven as a character is still underappreciated. Kevin Sullivan and probably a few others were obviously VERY high on him in WCW. Glad he surfaced back with a new group in MLW recently.
When do new episodes of MLW start back? I was enjoying it weekly on my DVR recordings but it hasn't shown any new shows in several weeks
Yeah I thought he was underrated, he could work with just about anybody. He put together that match where Goldberg wins the US title and really helped get him over.
Raven is one of my all time favorite wrestlers. He could've been so much bigger esp in WCW. Would've loved to see a Raven Sting feud.
me too
Stevie seems like a really cool down to earth guy.
He is. Never complained, bent over.backwards to help ecw and he was one of the more fan approachable guys(next to tommy dreamer)in the business
Don't be a Dbag! You don't know this guy, we can jump in my time machine and go back to 1929 and do a podcast with a 20 year old Adolph Hitler, and you would suck his balls off! An interview tells very little about the subject, and when he walks away from that mic, he is a different person! If he meets you in public, he will tell you to F OFF when you go running for your little autograph!
Definitely a rare one in the wrestling business
Unless he’s changed in the last ten years…..no. He knows when to turn it on in front of a camera but he practically lived with us for a summer and he was a nonstop complainer. If anyone was coming over it was nonstop complaining, countless times I as made to leave my own room because he “didn’t want people around”. He swore Taz crippled him, swore Raven crippled him, swore D-Lo Brown stole all of his stuff in the locker room (jewelry) and even bitched at me for an hour once because I wouldn’t let him take my high school jersey, make it a cut off shirt so he could “get over” on an Indy show here in Alabama 😂 Stevie whined nonstop. A lot. Maybe he’s a whole different guy now. That was a long time ago.
Am I the only one that's going to call out that this title is completely clickbait. And it's just another reason to put false information out there on hogan. Like the guy asks stevie the question, and even hesitates may I add and just completely make some BS up.
Raven was a cool idea for character, he nailed a look and presence and he was a talented pro wrestler. Loved his time in WWF/E in the hardcore division. His entrance theme was on the album
Huge Raven fan overall, he helped Billy Kidman breakout! The Flock should’ve rivaled the NWO.
No.
The Flock should've been either a smaller, fringe group, or they should've been pushed like the DoD was in early '97: rivaling the nWo B team.
what lmao!?
When I was 10 years old in 1998 raven was definitely one of my favorite characters he just felt real
You type like a 10 year old
Stevie's relationship with Scott/Raven is so fascinating. You can hear the awe and gratitude and love in Stevie's voice, but also genuine disapproval and fear and misgiving. It's like their character dynamic isn't far from the truth of what the real men are to each other.
Raven was the reason I tuned in to WCW. And it was the beginning of the end when he lost the US title to Goldberg.
Goldberg Dominated The WWE 1998
I could listen to Stevie Richards for hours. He always knew his role which made him one of the best.
Love the Raven vs DDP feud and Raven vs Benoit vs DDP match.
GREAT STUFF! DDT VS DIAMOND CUTTER!
One of the funniest things I have ever seen is a shoot interview with raven and axl rotten. Axl getting more and more annoyed but trying to remain polite with Raven because he just wouldn't stop talking and cutting him off and calling him fat. Good stuff.
Axl, god rest his soul, was not in his right mind during that interview tho.
that interview is pretty funny except if you look at axl's hands he has horrible track marks and a huge staff infection
@@ducklife420 yeah, it's hard to watch. Such a nice dude, just couldn't best his demons.
The Flock was one of the greatest gimmicks and biggest lost opportunities ever in wrestling. I agree, the way they were introduced, week by week, was just fantastic. Everyone says they want innovation but when something truly innovative comes along it's often squashed because it threatens the entrenched powers that be.
Trailblazers often pave the way for the followers to prosper at their own expense.
They Are Ranked #5 Of WCW Best Factions Of All Time. They Could Beat Ministry Of Darkness & The Corporation. Cause They Had More Built Wrestlers.
Biscoff has also said on his own podcast that he never really like Raven. Didn't like the brooding grunge thing. I imagine Hogan played a part in that as well as they both loved that 80s style.
Bischoff loses all credibility when he talks about Raven
@@maxwelljacobfreedom he loses credibility when he talks about a lot of things
@@maxwelljacobfreedom not really. Raven was never going to be a main event on the level of Hogan, Sting, Goldberg etc. Ge was missing The it factor in the ring. He had it outside the ring. In the ring he didn't have the athleticism to make up for his lack of size and he didn't have the size to make up for his lack of athleticism.
Grunge has been dead for 10 years and wasn't a gimmick which was going to be a star. Raven was a midcarder well behind top midcarders like DDP, Benoit, Eddie, bam bam
@@petesmart1983 wtf? "Grunge" has been dead way longer than 10 years and they could've definitely pushed him past "midcarder" status if they wanted.
Still remember that episode of Thunder where the Flock wound up brawling with both nWo factions as the show went off the air, and… then nothing. Ever again.
Would have been a windfall for the whole angle, having Raven and company work against the stale factions as anti-heroes, but COULDN’T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE GOING OVER.
I Was Gone Which Thunder Was That.
Fun fact: Raven made the cover of WCW nWO Revenge because the guy who did the cover was a big fan of Raven.
It was short but I love that Goldberg and Raven match
Jericho and Goldberg were going to have a match but Bill wanted a squash match with Chris.
Jericho said he had been to successful in WCW to just lose in two minutes.
Witch Chris was to high on the card to have a match with putting up zero offense. In my opinion.
Jericho was okay taking the fall but not being squashed.
@@briansmith48 I am a Goldberg fan, but I disagree with Chris getting squashed. That feud had great potential, especially with Jericho mocking Goldberg's entrance with his security haha. Pure gold!
@@Bigjizay . It would have elevated the both of them.
@@Bigjizay Roofus..........
If they had sone hogan vs sting properly in 97, Raven would have been a perfect title challenger to Sting
Raven was definitely top 15 top guys in the late 90s in all 3 companies and that’s saying a lot
He was in ECW but definitely not in WWF and especially not WCW
@@champlainscrap6076 The story goes that Vince didn't know to much about the signing of Raven and was just told about this guy that was over in ECW and half used properly in WCW...
Vince was walking down a corridor talking to a few people when he saw Raven and said "Who the F re-hired Johnny Polo?"
He was dead as a character after that...
He was a star in trash ECW doing trash matches but in company's he needed to wrestle he wasn't good enough, same in TNA too fans got bored with his mic skills and his wrestling was poor
@@champlainscrap6076u have your opinion and I have mines which I only give a shit about is mines
@@petesmart1983but yet he was on the cover of WCW vs NWO Revenge. 😆 STFU u probably a 22 year old kid who only heard his dad say something about Raven and wasn’t even around during the 90s
The Flock could have NEVER challenged the nWo because Raven was the only member of the group that was taken seriously. Richards, Riggs, Kidman, Reese, etc. were all treated as fodder. In the abstract, it sounds like it would have been a great idea, but if you put any logic into it whatsoever, it would have never worked. The Flock didn't have star power. It was booked the exact same way Raven's Nest was in ECW. One guy at the top and everyone else is there to bump for Raven and be a goof.
C'mon, man. The opener for Uncensored '98 definitely could have been a tag between Buff, Norton, Adams and Vincent vs. Kidman, Hammer, Reese and Lodi
You're spot on raven's flock was not strong. wasnt that great of a stable.
@@kazman_6899 lol
Yeah, but admit you would have popped when the nWo b theme hit after the Flock were already in the ring. Buff hits the blockbuster on Kidman for the pinfall. 10m 18s. 1 and a half twinkles.
I remember Raven on Meltzer's old eyada show back in '99 and he went off on Hogan. He'd been told that Hogan was saying " He cant draw money" behind his back to Bischoff.
I'll never forget. Win 75, for the US Title against Raven. That's when Goldberg was lost on me...
That's when I realized he was eventually just going to beat everyone, face or heel. Crowd favorites, or villains. That's when (as Kevin Nash would say) became the Yankees.
And, that's why I bought Starcade. To see Kevin Nash beat him.
Hell, when Goldberg had that match against Hogan my thoughts were, "Maybe he will finally break that damn stre...aaaannd he's gone. We're running out of guys!"
By the time Goldberg was facing Nash the man was getting booed.
Raven wasn't randomly on the cover of that game. He was on there because The Flock was one of the four major stables due to having so many members.
Hogan for nWo, Nash for Wolfpac, Raven for Flock, Goldberg for WCW.
Raven's Flock vs DDP and Chris Benoit was so fucking good
If Hogan was really trying to hold someone down he would have done it with Goldberg. I mean Goldbear was on fire so why would Hogan do that to Raven?? If Hogan wanted to beat Raven, he would have done so and no one would object. Let's be real, the place where Raven was buried was WWE, so enough lies .
Goldberg was untouchable for hogan
@@Dman4901 No, you liar. It was Hulk Hogan idea to lose to Goldberg. And if Hogan wanted to win against him that night or any night after that, he would have won whether you agreed or cried. Do not forget that Hogan has creative control, so it is easy for him to beat Goldberg, genius. But he did not do that because he is a professional and not as you and other liars say lol
Hulk hogan didn't even know who raven was
JJ Dillion is an insanely underrated authority figure. He had moments on top where he put the heels down and he had times where the heels made him eat crow. JJ’s stuff with Raven and Jericho was outstanding.
Hogan probably didn’t even know who Raven was.
Raven was the most 90s guy and the fact that Bischoff and Vince "didn't get him" just baffles me.
He was tailor made for that era.
They're old lol
In Vince’s case, it wasn’t so much that he didn’t get Raven, it more because of the influence he was having on Shane. Vince hated it. That’s why Vince didn’t like him. Vince even said when he found out Raven had been signed, “Who the hell hired Johnny Polo?”
@@seanman1231 not true
@@BrandonLeegit92 Actually, it is true.
Dude...Stevie Richards is a mark for himself here. Raven's Flock was a midcard stable. Raven was the star but was not in Goldberg, Sting, and NWO level. Not even close. Raven and Hogan went a long well, there's a video of Raven talking about Hogan meeting him in a limo, and they talked.
Raven is just mad that he was passed over and the other guy from his flock got to beat Hogan. Yep Billy Kidman baby !
I remember buying WCW NWO Revenge....looking at the cover ..and seeing raven on it with Hulk, Goldberg and Nash... coolest thing to see
Hulk was Jealous if Raven's Hair.
Now Raven Has Hair Just Like Hogan...
Summer of 1997 I went to the public library and checked out Edgar Allen Poe book with the Raven in it all because of Raven!
Its true, but Hogan at least tried to understand the character, god bless that man he tried. Terry couldn't cope, he had Bischoff bury Raven with the whole 'spoilt rich kid' story. Raven got hot. When and after the fact, Scotty found out, he snapped and vowed revenge, so went back to ECW.
Stevie, you're a natural on these. Love your insight!
The Flock was amazing I always liked Raven
I was a big Raven fan but he made the cover of the N64 game because he had his own faction in the game.
Tyvm everyone on that cover was the leader of their group
The guy who helped create the game said this year. That raven was his favorite character, so that's why he picked Raven on game.
What about me? What about Raven?
Goldberg vs Raven ‘98 is one of the greatest matches I have ever seen
My favorite all time wrestler. I loved him in ecw and wcw as a teen .
I never understood Bischoff signing guys that are super over elsewhere, then they get to WCW and get over, and then they just piss away talent to stroke Hogan's ego
Hulk was a real jerk ass hold people back that could've been sum new fresh air in wrestling can we say Stone Cold on wat he did was sum Amazing ever week on TV
Raven is like a 90 overall but was treated like a 82 in WWE
For awhile i thought or hoped The Flock was going to be the next group to try and take over WCW after the nWo and that was going to be the next heels Sting was going to fight to save WCW again lol
Raven actually is a genius. Literally. He’s in MENSA so his IQ is probably around 160. Problem in life is when you’re that intelligent, authority can’t stand you. That’s why despite his mic work and psychology, he never could go that high
& he was kinda short too. not Tazz short, but still.
Saturn has said that Raven is the dumbest intelligent person he knows. Raven may have the capacity for intelligence, but Bischoff is actually much more intelligent. All you of have to do is hear them speak. No comparison.
@@kazman_6899 a Guy who got his face tattooed probably isn’t the best judge of who’s intelligent and who’s not…
@@Derek70388 Did you get your face tattooed? Are you able to discern? Do you believe you can tell who's intelligent, or are you one of the many who think that there's no one more intelligent than themselves? A quick listen should tell you that Bischoff is much more intelligent than Raven. Vince, Shane Stephanie, Prichard, Heyman, Schiavone, Callis, Foley, even Disco... all more intelligent than Raven
@@kazman_6899 triggered much?
Perfect upper mid card champion but I didn't see a main eventer even then
You serious Clark? Raven did'nt get held down by nobody but his own character.
WCW just didn’t need him and he didn’t need them. What a waste. He got paid, I guess.
Look up Chris Jericho vs Raven Halloween Havoc 98. They were over big time.
Raven made money because of hogan.
Raven was a dog shit gimmick didn’t work outside of ECW
Goldberg vs Raven is Goldberg's best match ever IMO.
Fun fact i was at EB Games the day Stevie Richards got his XBOX 360 in 2005. Dude is all class.
The Flock vs Goldberg angle was super entertaining as a kid.
Hogan was a punk from Day 1.
I never liked him
I don't like Hogan anymore, he seems like a big hater.
He's freaking Hulk Hogan Some of you guys need to get a grip
Raven was a fantastic character. The time he came along was perfect. He should have gone over even more.
I used to own the Raven shirt with the ankh on it and people would ask me what band it is I'm wearing 😂
Raven is one of my favorite matches, he has such a gr8 mind for the business ❤
Raven was my favorite ECW and WCW wrestler. There was so much potential for his character and I feel that he could feud with anybody and make it interesting.
I've met raven, got to do a tattoo for him as well. He was easily the smartest most eccentric person I've met. A very cool good guy.
Still wish we got that Raven/Savage match that got teased.
Raven wore comic book covers on t shirts so he was always cool with me
"He's Hogan's nephew!?! I had no idea"😂😂😂
Who???
Stevie should have gotten spots similar to Christian as far as a singles wrestler. I also would have mind seeing a raven stevie Richards edge and Christian rivalry either.
I couldn't agree more! That wouldve been a great feud!
I doubt Raven was even a dot on Hogan's radar. Why would he care about some meaningless midcarder? He never interacted with him.
"If you take care of my nephew for me, brother, I'll let you polish my boots"
Exactly 😂😂
WCW should have crushed WWF before the Attitude era started but they were too stupid to know how to manage the egos.
I think WCW ruined the Raven character when they revealed he came from a rich family and he was just a spoiled brat who pretended he had a hard life. It killed the mystique of the character.
Always cracks me up where Stevie tries to negotiate Raven's contract, he demands a rent a car with a tape deck. LOL
If they would’ve actually taking more from The Crow…they could’ve had The Flock be like Top Dollar’s gang….
Now I've got to watch The Crow again. I'm guessing this would work in a Sting v Raven program
Raven and the Flock were like Nirvana and NWO was like Metallica of wrestling. Kevin Nash always reminded me of James Hatfield anyway.
Raven was over the moon during that time I still can't believe they just fed him to Goldberg. He should of been in the main event
Raven was a damn good character and a damn good wrestler...he deserved to be in the top teir of the crop..but that damn hulk Hogan and bischoff
That stare down between Macho Man & Raven…&&then Raven beat up Stevie some more 😂 Tells you all you need to know.
I remember one episode the Flock and the NWO walked past each other coming in and out the ring. Raven and one of the NWO members looked at each other as they passed by.. I thought something would come out of it, but nothing never did. would've been nice to see
Ravens flock and Jericho were my favorite in WCW. Wcw wasted so much talent and dropped the ball on so many story lines. Raven was so awesome 😎
a realistic "Hollywood" Hulk Hogan promo on Raven: "Johnny Polo/Scotty "the Body" Flamingo doesn't WORK for me, BROTHER. I'd rather have a Nasty Boy (Brian Knobbs or Jerry Sags: one of Hogan's cronies) or the Zodiac/Disciple (Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake: another Hulkster go-to friend) by my side instead." The only time that Raven came close to Hogan was when he was in a tag-team match with Horace (Hogan's bald nephew) vs. Perry Saturn and Van Hammer (for a WCW Saturday Night TV show: July 11, 1998). I liked when they (the WCW bookers, like a Kevin Sullivan (not Kevin Nash) ) put a classic skit together, that was filmed in some mansion: Raven as a spoiled rich kid, with "Jim" (Hardcore Hak (in WCW)/The Sandman), and (Chris) "who bettah than" Kanyon (aka "Mortis"), with Chastity (from ECW) and two middle-aged women, with one of them playing Raven's mom. ("Scotty !" the mom says in a whiny tone.). Hilarious... Like when Ric Flair was filmed in a house; it would be the first glimpse of pro wrestling fans' exposure to Ashley (the future "Charlotte Flair" in the WWE). Hilarious...
Raven went to a meeting that ATM Eric/Easy E had with several of "The Boys" in WCW. Two questions that Bischoff had asked some of his employees, I think, was: "Are you happy ? Do you really want to be here ?" Raven's attitude was: Hell no. F#%k this place. I'm outta here (Atlanta, GA). I don't wanna be "where the Big Boys play" in WCW ("Double Ya C Double Ya" - a Scott Hall impression)... Raven could have been a booker to replace (Kevin) Sullivan; that's a nice story of the match that Raven had for (Bill) Goldberg. Oldberg actually SOLD Raven's offenses ? Shocking...
Steve Richards is a great as a podcaster! We need more of him. 😃☝🏼
Perfect gimmick, PERFECT timing, not nearly enough of the spotlight. Should have been RULING over WCW because of the brilliance of it all. Felt a little flat because of the Nirvana sound-alike, but Kurt wasn't around enough to really see how much he had in common with people ripping off his song.
WCW was notoriously bad at spotting talent. Or using it properly. After all the list of Hall of famers, they let go of is unbelievable. Undertaker, HHH,Jericho, Benoit,Guerrero Austin, Raven, it just doesn't stop.
Loved Raven! Stevie's podcast is outstanding.
Thanks for the show gents!
One of WCWs biggest misses. The NWO angle started literally at the same time I started watching with my dad. I was 7 years old and since birth it seems, I always loved Nirvana, Alice In Chains, smashing pumpkins and all that 90s grunge, so when I first saw Raven, I just thought he was the coolest, n always loved his ripoff come as you are WCW theme lol n I’m glad Stevie mentioned the Goldberg match on 420 1998. Besides him beating hogan and match with DDP and NWO Sting, his match with raven was always one of my favorites
At the time, I thought it would have been cool for Sting to come back and triumph over Hogan, then not too long after have Sting and Raven feud.
Unfortunately, Hogan and Bischoff fucked the finish at Starrcade and they likely wouldn’t have had the foresight (or humility) to build a top feud between Sting and Raven. So much squandered opportunity.
Raven was not the WCW guy on the cover, that was Goldberg. The game is all about factions, and the Flock was one of them. NWO B&W, Wolfpac, Flock, and WCW. There were also fake factions to pad it out and have more to choose from
Raven should of been in the main event picture
Man, what a letdown when Raven was pseudo introduced into the WCW vs NWO feud when he jumped the railing in one of those NITRO endings where guys squared up against the NWO.
And Raven vs. Sting would have been money.
WCW dropped the ball, but what else is new?
Raven was on the cover of wcw revenge because he was the leader of the flock which was one of the 4 faction in the game. goldeberg for WCW, Hogane for NWO white and Nash for NWO wolfpack. Raven was at best a midcarder in Wcw and the WWF. He had 0 chance to do anything in both company because there were 10 to 15 guys better than him. He was a Bigfish in a small pond in ECW. and a minow in WCW and WWF.
Ravens flock could have been bigger than what it was. Raven really filled in that anti authority late 90s style. There should have been wcw like establishment guys like Piper, Flair etc. Then the Nwo. Then the 3rd choice being the flock which is its own thing. Maybe the flock gets together with wcw to take down the nwo. Or vice versa. In the video games they made the flock a thing. Raisin was good
I don’t know if Hogan held Raven down or not, but I think WCW was just bad in general at building up new stars. There were a few exceptions, like Goldberg and DDP, but most of their main event roster were guys who were already stars from the WWF.
Say what you will about Scott Levy, but the Raven character was GOLD. Paul Heyman knew it. Hogan knew it & was jealous of it. Bischoff & Vince were too ignorant to realize what they had. Stevie was spot on in every word. Raven made Goldberg that night, one of the best Nitro shows ever. He wasn't an ant-hero, Raven was an anti-everything. He was a cult-like leader who could have gone much further, perhaps in the vein of what Bray Wyatt accomplished much later. Scott can always be proud of what he built & pioneered in E.C.W. ( R.I.P. )