that man was STRESSED. literally running a whole hotel and was taking care of 4 kids that wasn't his the whole time!? nah that's his hotel at this point.
Out of all the Suite Life characters, I enjoyed Mr. Moseby the most because of his high-strung willingness to try to keep the Tipton Hotel in order, his exuberant eloquence, his moments of warmth and hilarity with London, and his overall prim and proper attitude. Speaking of moments of warmth with London, he also demonstrated that, despite his irritation with her air-headedness, he was strong enough to be akin to a father to her, for she herself needed guidance and direction which are something not even money can buy her way out from real-world situations.
yes i love the acknowledgement that the magical negro doesn't have to literally have supernatural magic powers to be "magic" for the white characters in the narrative
Damn you give me so much hope for the future. Your editorial style, narration and opinion is a refreshing reminder that not everyone on RUclips is determined to promote a facade. As a mother I’m happy my school age white daughter has an opportunity to hear uncensored unbiased un-propagandaish truth about black values culture and history. Because let’s be honest she ain’t getting it in school and it’s not something I have the experience of to give. Thank you.
Bonnie Bennett from The Vampire Diaries is literally one of most infamous examples of the Magical Negro Trope in television history. Like, they did that girl SO FUCKING DIRTY on that show. 😭
I've thought for a long time about how a spinoff series about the Bennett family would've been so much more interesting a premise than the Originals. That character and her roots had so much potential that the CW let just float away like a fart in the wind. Over EIGHT SEASONS. Infuriating.
@@jourdonpatron212 Bonnie is always the first thing I think of when I talk about how racism makes shows not just "problematic" (for us nerds who care about that) but FUCKING BORING!!!!! Wasted ass potential thy name is the Vampire Diaries.
As much as I loved The Suite Life of Zack and Cody for things such as subverting the "dumb blonde" and "smart Asian" cliches, I admit it has its issues. One of the BIGGEST issues with the show is its portrayal of black characters in general. Mr. Moseby fits into the "magical negro" stereotype as you pointed out and Nia didn't get enough screen time to develop into a better character. I honestly think they should have given Nia more screen time. She was the PERFECT foil to Maddie AND London so adding her to their friendship dynamic would have been very interesting!
It's been forever since I watched the Suite Life series. The stereotype of Mr. Moseby makes sense though. Unfortunately. I don't recall ever seeing an episode about Mr. Moseby where it didn't revolve around the kids. He truly deserved better. Other than that, I LOVE YOUR PURPLE HAIR 😍💜🖤
While the trope is problematic, Mr. Moseby is my favorite because he was rightfully super annoyed with those annoying twins 😂. YES I said that because THEY ARE!!!! Moseby had a lot on his plate as the hotel manager PLUS making sure the owner's daughter London, can be taken care of. Moseby's exactly the type of father figure that London needed. Her real dad was neglectful.
I haven't rewatched the series in a long time but looking back on it now Maddie Fitzpatrick seems like a really on-the-nose Irish stereotype as well. Catholic schoolgirl from a huge, rowdy, implied-alcoholic poor family in Boston. Suite Life (both series) had a BIG problem with ethnic caricatures.
Before Suite Life of Zach & Cody, Phil Lewis (who played Mr. Moseby) played Chandler's boss from Friends where the show sorta gave his character (Don't know his character's name from Friends) that same trope. Heck, even after Suite Life of Zach & Cody, he voiced a hotel manager in Phineas & Ferb, reuniting with his co-star Ashley Tisdale (who played Maddie) where the show gave his unnamed cartoon character that same tiring trope too. SMH. Shout out to Phil Lewis, such an amazing actor who deserves better roles.
Your content and perspective are always so refreshing! I've heard of the magical negro trope before but never thought about how it applies to Mr. Moseby. Thanks for another great video 💕
That title is a hot take and a half, but you made some good points in your video to support it. Now I'm just disappointed that even good-ish representation by Disney has problems.
One thing I never understood is why even decades after Disney disavowed Song of the South, they still used the movie for the Splash Mountain theme and it took George Floyd being murdered for Disney to replace it with a Princess and the Frog theme.
One, love your hairstyle. Two, it just hit me that Recess also has an example of the Magical Black Man (I'm not saying the n-term cuz I'm not black) in that Christmas episode.
Mr Moseby Was The father figure, Maddie was like the Big sister too London, Zack and Cody was the little brothers too London, and Karey was kinda the mother Figure, and Bailey was the little sister too London.
Once bigoted always bigoted applies to companies especially. Consume independent media. Avoid the old media like the plague. Know when a corporation is playing you.
You know, i really came to this video expecting an analysis of all the wacky and unexplainable things Mr. Moseby do throughout the Suite Life of Zack and Cody but hopefully I'll find a video similar to that
It's an odd coincidence that you posted this video the day that you did because I watched The Green Mile yesterday and hooo boy it plays into this trope to the extreme. In my opinion, it's the one glaring issue that holds it back from greatness, and I became eager to hear other people's thoughts on the trope. When it comes to Zack and Cody, however, I'm more familiar with On Deck than the other seasons so I'd be interested in hearing your comparison if that's on your to-do list!
huh, I always thought Mosby was dealing more with butler tropes but its real interesting and kindof horrifying to realize there was a rascist undertone to it.
I like your analysis with the magical negro I never knew this I always thought black characters were what we see ourselves in with the media we have available to us I have to watch entertainment from a critical view now not just for entertainment
When they call him a "Good black," do you think they are trying to call him an Oreo? It could be sarcasm!🙁 Most black people don't really think that that's a good black person. At least I don't think most of us thing that... I think that this is more of a sarcastic remark. They're probably just trying to call him an Oreo.
I hate how people always bring up the actor phil lewis’s past for no reason I always see comments like that I get what he did was bad but damn y’all act like people can’t change clearly he did.
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@@harriyanna Disgusting, only six episodes. Watching your channel and others like yours made me realize why I was only a casual viewer of a lot of these shows, I couldn't connect to them any deeper than that because of the underlying hate that they obviously have for black girls and women it's so weird but things for your amazing content to point this out and put words to things that a lot of us have only just felt.
When you mention there being a magical negro and token black character in plenty of Nickelodeon shows, the thing I wind up thinking about was Franklin from Peanuts. Charlie Brown already had a friend in Linus, but it seems like it was just easier for Charlie to befriend Franklin once he moved in the neighborhood. A constant tripe of us really just being there to make the lives of white people a little better than before.
Is it possible to like a character even if they count as a stereotype? Or is liking them just encouraging the stereotype itself and making things worse for the future?
Replying so I can know how others reply. Personally, I don't know, but it's _possible_ to like *any* kind of character. I just don't know if it's _advisable_ per se.
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Roger that, Harriyanna.
This is off-topic but I love the purple afro. It compliments her chocolate skin. 😘💜🍫
@@devontamosley4487 it's 2022 and you still say that?
@@hiroramos2819 Say what? This is off-topic? That's just habit of me.
I really like Moseby's relationship with London. In my ways, he's a way better father figure than her actual father.
I agree. I always liked seeing them together. Especially when London was leaving after graduation. That always made me tear up.
Mr. Moseby is London's dad. Mr. Tipton is London's sperm donor.
You're right and you should say it.
Yea I loved their relationship
I did too. I thought it was really sweet
As much as I love Mr Moseby, I acknowledge how problematic the trope can be. Also them bad ass kids did treat him DIRTY.
Moseby had his hands full dealing with them two lil white boys 😭
that man was STRESSED. literally running a whole hotel and was taking care of 4 kids that wasn't his the whole time!? nah that's his hotel at this point.
Oh, for real.
Plus a spoiled asian girl who had an absent daddy
Out of all the Suite Life characters, I enjoyed Mr. Moseby the most because of his high-strung willingness to try to keep the Tipton Hotel in order, his exuberant eloquence, his moments of warmth and hilarity with London, and his overall prim and proper attitude. Speaking of moments of warmth with London, he also demonstrated that, despite his irritation with her air-headedness, he was strong enough to be akin to a father to her, for she herself needed guidance and direction which are something not even money can buy her way out from real-world situations.
That man was everybody's surrogate daddy. Even some of the adults 💀
yes i love the acknowledgement that the magical negro doesn't have to literally have supernatural magic powers to be "magic" for the white characters in the narrative
@@Anonymous-wi6ig man stop being intentionally obtuse
@@Anonymous-wi6ig I’m not a girl.
@@Anonymous-wi6ig no racialized. this is a comment for people with wrinkles on their brain so move on small thinker
Ooooh i could imagine Raven killing it as a 13 y/o running the Tipton…like a Black Eloise 😭
that would have been so cute
Damn you give me so much hope for the future. Your editorial style, narration and opinion is a refreshing reminder that not everyone on RUclips is determined to promote a facade. As a mother I’m happy my school age white daughter has an opportunity to hear uncensored unbiased un-propagandaish truth about black values culture and history. Because let’s be honest she ain’t getting it in school and it’s not something I have the experience of to give. Thank you.
Bonnie Bennett from The Vampire Diaries is literally one of most infamous examples of the Magical Negro Trope in television history. Like, they did that girl SO FUCKING DIRTY on that show. 😭
Fr
I've thought for a long time about how a spinoff series about the Bennett family would've been so much more interesting a premise than the Originals. That character and her roots had so much potential that the CW let just float away like a fart in the wind. Over EIGHT SEASONS. Infuriating.
@@Diana-mu7pc RIGHT! The Bennetts had a hand in everything that happened in the vampire diaries but Bonnie never got her own storyline surrounding it.
@@Diana-mu7pc I'M SAYING
@@jourdonpatron212 Bonnie is always the first thing I think of when I talk about how racism makes shows not just "problematic" (for us nerds who care about that) but FUCKING BORING!!!!! Wasted ass potential thy name is the Vampire Diaries.
Is it Appreciate Mr. Moseby hours already? I've always liked him, especially his relationship towards London but boy the Magical Negro trope can burn.
As much as I loved The Suite Life of Zack and Cody for things such as subverting the "dumb blonde" and "smart Asian" cliches, I admit it has its issues. One of the BIGGEST issues with the show is its portrayal of black characters in general. Mr. Moseby fits into the "magical negro" stereotype as you pointed out and Nia didn't get enough screen time to develop into a better character.
I honestly think they should have given Nia more screen time. She was the PERFECT foil to Maddie AND London so adding her to their friendship dynamic would have been very interesting!
It's been forever since I watched the Suite Life series. The stereotype of Mr. Moseby makes sense though. Unfortunately. I don't recall ever seeing an episode about Mr. Moseby where it didn't revolve around the kids. He truly deserved better. Other than that, I LOVE YOUR PURPLE HAIR 😍💜🖤
While the trope is problematic, Mr. Moseby is my favorite because he was rightfully super annoyed with those annoying twins 😂. YES I said that because THEY ARE!!!! Moseby had a lot on his plate as the hotel manager PLUS making sure the owner's daughter London, can be taken care of. Moseby's exactly the type of father figure that London needed. Her real dad was neglectful.
"Problematic"
Jesus Christ what is it with u freaks & this stupid word?
I haven't rewatched the series in a long time but looking back on it now Maddie Fitzpatrick seems like a really on-the-nose Irish stereotype as well. Catholic schoolgirl from a huge, rowdy, implied-alcoholic poor family in Boston. Suite Life (both series) had a BIG problem with ethnic caricatures.
Before Suite Life of Zach & Cody, Phil Lewis (who played Mr. Moseby) played Chandler's boss from Friends where the show sorta gave his character (Don't know his character's name from Friends) that same trope. Heck, even after Suite Life of Zach & Cody, he voiced a hotel manager in Phineas & Ferb, reuniting with his co-star Ashley Tisdale (who played Maddie) where the show gave his unnamed cartoon character that same tiring trope too. SMH. Shout out to Phil Lewis, such an amazing actor who deserves better roles.
Don't let this video distract you from the fact that kids are still running in his lobby.
Great video though, fr.
I agree
aww, I’m glad to see mr mosbey get his own video… he was my favorite character on suite life…
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I love the purple curls! And the video title; I'm already excited.
My favorite moment from the show is when he teaches London how to drive and he explains PRNDL to her 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Your content and perspective are always so refreshing! I've heard of the magical negro trope before but never thought about how it applies to Mr. Moseby. Thanks for another great video 💕
That title is a hot take and a half, but you made some good points in your video to support it. Now I'm just disappointed that even good-ish representation by Disney has problems.
Girl I'm living for this hair! 💜
One thing I never understood is why even decades after Disney disavowed Song of the South, they still used the movie for the Splash Mountain theme and it took George Floyd being murdered for Disney to replace it with a Princess and the Frog theme.
One, love your hairstyle. Two, it just hit me that Recess also has an example of the Magical Black Man (I'm not saying the n-term cuz I'm not black) in that Christmas episode.
Love this return to form. I'm proud of you and this was a great video.
also the purple wig is a certified slay you look so good
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I love how you answered the phone at 8:38
I LOVE the hair Harriyanna!!! I need me an afro like that 😍😍💖
Mr Moseby Was The father figure, Maddie was like the Big sister too London, Zack and Cody was the little brothers too London, and Karey was kinda the mother Figure, and Bailey was the little sister too London.
I don’t remember much of Suite Life but I do remember Mr. Moseby being funny but a really great person
Once bigoted always bigoted applies to companies especially. Consume independent media. Avoid the old media like the plague. Know when a corporation is playing you.
Your video quality has improved so much! Remember where you were 5 years ago
Mosby and london back and fourth was the helight of the show😂
Mr Marion Moseby and Esteban Julio Ricardo Montoya de la Rosa Ramirez were the best damn characters on that show. lol. No Joke.
You know, i really came to this video expecting an analysis of all the wacky and unexplainable things Mr. Moseby do throughout the Suite Life of Zack and Cody but hopefully I'll find a video similar to that
It's an odd coincidence that you posted this video the day that you did because I watched The Green Mile yesterday and hooo boy it plays into this trope to the extreme. In my opinion, it's the one glaring issue that holds it back from greatness, and I became eager to hear other people's thoughts on the trope.
When it comes to Zack and Cody, however, I'm more familiar with On Deck than the other seasons so I'd be interested in hearing your comparison if that's on your to-do list!
huh, I always thought Mosby was dealing more with butler tropes but its real interesting and kindof horrifying to realize there was a rascist undertone to it.
I'm pretty sure he took care of 6 kids. Don't forget about Arwin. 😂
GORL I LOVE YOUR HAIR!
He was so funny. I absolutely love him. But yes, it’s a super harmful trope.
You’re hair is so gorgeous ❤🔥
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Off topic, but I love the purple hair 💜
Thank you Harriyanna for this video and educating us on the Magical Negro troupe I never noticed that until now
What song did you use for your bonnet commercial, I can’t get it out of my head
if it's love on your mind by the spice girls, the link should be in the description box
I LOVE YOUR HAIR SM
Would you think that trope and the manic pixie dream girl share a lot in common in terms of the mostly similar tropes?
TK from The Wayans Brothers. And the token black from Yes Dear
I'm so sorry, but I am so IN-LOVE with your hair! 😍 It's so beautiful.
I like your analysis with the magical negro I never knew this I always thought black characters were what we see ourselves in with the media we have available to us I have to watch entertainment from a critical view now not just for entertainment
Poor mister moseby
I love Mr. Moseby. He was a great character.
When they call him a "Good black," do you think they are trying to call him an Oreo?
It could be sarcasm!🙁
Most black people don't really think that that's a good black person. At least I don't think most of us thing that...
I think that this is more of a sarcastic remark. They're probably just trying to call him an Oreo.
I hate how people always bring up the actor phil lewis’s past for no reason I always see comments like that I get what he did was bad but damn y’all act like people can’t change clearly he did.
@Rokenrol Bro 2019 He got into a car crash circa 1991. Someone died as a result of the crash.
@Rokenrol Bro 2019 yes, was drunk though.
The title of this video scalped me IMMEDIATELY 😂 I love it!
You always have the greatest takes I love your content 💜🐲🔥
I love the hair color 😍💜
I think one of Disney’s most famous rides was once song of the south. I think splash mountain
You are right.
@@freakytostadacartoon I thought so. I watched a documentary about it on RUclips.
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unrelated but what is the anime in the disclaimer @ 0:20?
Ohh this is gonna be a good one, I've always loved mr moseby as a kid LMAO
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Wait, am I the only one who legit just learned that Mosby had a niece? They sure didn't feature her a lot but that's coming from a very casual viewer.
She used to be in some episodes
lmaoooo she was only in 6 episodes and was there when ashley was away. tbh you didn't miss much she was terribly written. just straight up misogynoir
@@harriyanna Disgusting, only six episodes. Watching your channel and others like yours made me realize why I was only a casual viewer of a lot of these shows, I couldn't connect to them any deeper than that because of the underlying hate that they obviously have for black girls and women it's so weird but things for your amazing content to point this out and put words to things that a lot of us have only just felt.
Look like lavender from matilda
The title love it😂
well its true!!
When you mention there being a magical negro and token black character in plenty of Nickelodeon shows, the thing I wind up thinking about was Franklin from Peanuts. Charlie Brown already had a friend in Linus, but it seems like it was just easier for Charlie to befriend Franklin once he moved in the neighborhood. A constant tripe of us really just being there to make the lives of white people a little better than before.
You got a like based on the title alone, because it is indeed facts.
*sees title and thumbnail* oh crap, he is 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
Why did my brother just say Cinna from hunger games?😭😭
Is it possible to like a character even if they count as a stereotype? Or is liking them just encouraging the stereotype itself and making things worse for the future?
Replying so I can know how others reply. Personally, I don't know, but it's _possible_ to like *any* kind of character. I just don't know if it's _advisable_ per se.
i love this character while he is a stereotype. it's ok if you are aware of the flaws.
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