Christians React To Rhett And Link’s Purity Culture Video
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- ‘Christians React To Rhett And Link Purity Culture Video’
It’s time to talk PURITY CULTURE! Big time RUclipsrs Rhett and Link (Good Mythical Morning) recently opened up on their Ear Biscuits podcast about their experiences growing up under purity culture and the effects it had on their dating lives and views on s*x. For those who may not know, Rhett and Link are former Christians who fell away from the faith. Their conversation around purity culture is one I think many Christians can relate to. There are a lot of strong opinions against purity culture. We’ll use their video to decide where we stand!
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Hey P&M Fam, what are your thoughts on Rhett and Link’s conversation or just on purity culture in general?
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Thought they only did food videos?my brother tried to get me into them.
Can you guys talk about this too:-
People this era be like "ouh its okay you're just young and naive just do what ever you want even if its wrong because it will past and become the past" is this right? Because I feel like people are using this (it will become the past) as a reason to do the thing, is that okay or is it just being selfish to get the thing they desire
Nobody talk about this too so can you guys make a video about this too please
Love y'all and god bless 🙏🐑
When can I come cook lamb for y'all 🐑❤️
I've seen videos that try to make that believing in God is wrong and I never knew what to say without sounding rude or dumb lol glad Rhett and Link didn't do any of that I love watching their videos I remember seeing em eat the carolina reaper I recently ate that never again lol.
Purity culture is DAMAGING. I can’t say this enough times. I’ve been personally damaged by purity culture and I know I’m not the only one
sex positivity is even more damaging imo
It was damaging for me, and I didn’t even grow up in the culture. The minute you make your love of God linked with your natural human desire, is the minute you leave a church and enter a cult. Teaching the message of waiting, is always beneficial. But teaching that humans are not allowed to deviate, or they’ll be called mistakes or sins…nah not cool. God doesn’t want you to live like that. He want you to recognize his love for you. He wants you to call him if you find yourself sixteen, drunk, and at a party. He doesn’t want you get in the backseat of a car with a drunk stranger bc you are too ashamed. Nah my God does judge, he uplifts. He show the way, and I will do my best, as a human, to follow. When I fall short, I will remember, I am human not God, it’s ok to fall short, so long as I do my best. Anyone who says different has not been woken by true love but false love.
@@messer12 i’m sorry it damaged you. but its not linked. of course i don’t believe in judging others but we also need to be held accountable for our sins. premarital sex IS a sin, the bible clearly states that. why are we so scared to talk about sin? Jesus died for our sins. it’s ok to admit our sins and own up to them and ask for forgiveness. so we don’t have to be ashamed or guilty of them. yes God loves but God also shakes us and corrects us. we can’t just do whatever we want. that’s not the true word of God
@@sarai637 hahahahaha lol dude just said I didn’t grow up in this culture, find new person lol hhahaaa
I grew up in purity culture, and the most harmful thing about it, for me, was that, when I was sexually assaulted, I was so ashamed that I didn't say anything about it until many, many years later. I felt like a "chewed up piece of gum" that no one would ever want.
I'm no longer religious, and, honestly, I think the harm that purity culture did to me and my mental health is the biggest reason for that. When I finally got out of the church and the really shameful and harmful environment it was for me, I was finally able to talk about what I'd gone through. I also went through what many would call a "slutty phase" as a way to take control of my sexuality that resulted in a lot of unhealthy sexual relationships, and I'm not sure that would have happened if I'd been able to be open about what happened to me. If I'd felt comfortable talking to adults in my life at the time who were supposed to love, guide, and support me, I think I'd have been much healthier, mentally, and it wouldn't have taken me until my late 20s to understand healthy sexual and romantic relationships.
I appreciate that you guys talked about this. I agree with so much of what you said! I personally do not like purity culture because it always focused on women and it also built shame into me and others when God does not want us to feel shame. Don't get me wrong, purity is important, but it should never take the place of God and I have seen and watched many people make it into one. God offers forgiveness, not shame.
Appreciate the comment, Emilie :) But don’t you think we should feel a degree of shame if we’re living in sin?
@@PaulandMorgan I think that’s more conviction. Shame and conviction feel different to me and yes you should feel conviction.
Take every thought captive
Funny to hear the complaing from Ameticans online moan about "purity culture" and hear friends and colleagues complain about "hookup culture" (and seeing the stats) and it says a lot about how many seem to hate the former but be less bothered by the latter.
But somehow, a social norm against pre-marital sex "women most effected" and when complaining about a sexual free for all "women most effected." It is almost as if the conclusion is set and the topic can be switched in and out.
I've been waiting to how christans responds to stuff like this I'm a christian but sadly I never know what to say without sounding dumb or rude. I want to be a better christan wish I knew what to say to these kinds of things I might watch their video later lol it's a really long video.
Of course we are forgiven when we repent and seek forgiveness from God for our sin, but there are still lasting consequences.
We cannot throw the baby out with the bath water concerning the purity culture. It was birthed from a place of right heart intentions.
Sheila Gregoire’s excellent new book THE GREAT SEX RESCUE is helpful in addressing mistakes of the purity culture, as well as harmful teachings from books written on the topic of sex in marriage. I highly recommend it!
A fruit of the spirit is self-control! With God all things are possible!
Yup, I don't want a pre chewed banana
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One negative I don’t think gets mentioned often is that when I child grows up in purity culture and is sexually abused (which happens fairly often) the child feels a lot of misplaced shame. A child doesn’t have the understanding that an adult is doing something to them without their consent but instead the simplified messaging of sex/sexual activity is for marriage leads the child to think they are bad. The child believes they have become the chewed up piece of gum/petaless flower. Also I think it’s more common then not in “purity culture” to not discuss sex further than don’t do it, which breeds a place for predators to abuse children - Children without a proper understanding of what is happening to their body and what consent is and that it is a bad/sinful thing so it remains a secret, often because they fear themselves getting into trouble.
Like most things I think purity culture has pros and cons but I do think this is a major con that outweighs a lot of its pros.
That was something that bothered me too.
holy crap that is so horrible the only thing i can say is i am here to help if you need it.
this was exactly my experience growing up in the church and being exposed to purity culture!
Purity culture IMHO breeds sexual abuse and rape. Having been a part of churches that engaged in this, I saw sexually abusive/aggressive behavior on numerous occasions. Purity culture has done a lot of damage throughout the years.
The main issues of purity culture for me are 1) the shame many sexual abuse and molestation survivors feel afterward and 2) as you point out, the disproportionate onus placed on women to safeguard everything and be pure. If men are called to lead then they should lead in this area as well.
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Yes yes and amen!
I think there’s a big problem with it. God created us to have a partner for ever and to be loved that’s the point. That should be emphasized you’re not made for the pain of a breakup after intimacy, or to be pregnant without full support. I truly believe God had women’s back, and wanted the bond it being between two people forever. Why isn’t it talked about that way. Absolutely too, God can change our hearts and minds and renew them at any point and after anything !
Please try and talk to Jimmy Snow! I'd love to see you both discussing JLP and I'm sure you'd feel far more comfortable with Jimmy ☺️
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Not sure talking to someone who makes fun of everything you believe is helpful. I like his videos on mormon religion but alot of Atheists put down make fun of christians dont see the point.
Actually he hypes morgan up so watch it frfr
Can you write your opinion. I look up to you guys
@@jaymielee1110 Yeah, cause christians are sooooo nice to atheists, right?
Purity Culture and 'Kiss Dating Goodbye' ruined lives, ruined dating for a lot of people, including myself. I will never support anything about that movement, it's caused irreparable damage, and I don't wish that on anyone trying to navigate through the dating scene.
Growing up my dad was a pastor and they gave me a purity ring, I ended up loosing mine in a high school relationship and my family made me feel like I was never gonna be worth it. I went to the other extreme for 8 years after high school and never thought I’d become a Christian again because of stuff like that happening. 3 years ago god found me in a really unsuspected place and has shown me that’s not what HE meant you kno? I am forgiven and loved and am about to celebrate 2 years of marriage with an amazing godly husband 💕 it just been so beautiful. I love watching you guys and this is SUCH an important topic♥️✨
Let me start with, I’m a Christian who absolutely agrees with saving sex for marriage, dressing modestly, and honoring God in all areas of life.
Having grown up in the early 2000s wave, I read “I Kissed Dating Goodbye” and grew up in that culture. I’ve seen good and bad out of it.
Good:
-You should be looking at eventual marriage in your dating relationship
-Don’t get into toxic relationships.
-Honor God.
However, I also saw bad things taught/come out of the relationship:
-People rushing into marriages because dating around was equated to emotional adultery. Many people ended up in abusive relationships as a result.
-Entitlement with God-purity culture was taught as a “if you do these purity things, then God will bless you with a great marriage and a great honeymoon.” When that didn’t happen, or people ended up in toxic relationships, they grew angry with God because He did not “hold up His part of the bargain.” A lot of people walked away as a result.
-Men and women afraid of forming any kind of relationship with each other: men grew afraid of women because they might accidentally lust and women became afraid because we were taught that men are lust monsters and we need to be their gatekeepers.
-Assault victims being condemned.
I think purity culture intended well, but the one I knew left the grace of God far behind and introduced a sex based prosperity gospel. It needs to be reformed according to the Scriptures.
Growing up in the same evangelical environment has seriously effed me up for a long time. I am so glad that I escaped the nonsense. I would never want to raise my daughter with her thinking that sex is disgusting. That's what I grew up being taught. And if you did have sex you are damaged, you are broken, you're less than.
No.
I will never make my daughter feel the way the evangelical church made me feel.
I think you got the message wrong. The church doesn’t think sex is disgusting. It’s a beautiful thing. It just needs to be experienced in context of a marriage commitment because it bonds two people together emotionally, chemically, etc. It’s not that you’re dirty if you have sex outside of marriage but more that it’s damaging to you emotionally when you do. It’s just not the best way to live your life, which is why Christians try and pledge to live life in a way that will be healthier and less emotionally damaging.
I think it’s really interesting watching this video because I feel like I’ve grown up in the wake of purity culture where Christians were working so hard to make up for the hurt done by purity culture that we kind of ignored purity (atleast that’s what I experienced in the churches i was in growing up). I feel like it’s made me more focused on sexual purity because it was not talked about much when I was in middle and high school. There were certainly things wrong with the purity movement, but there has to be a balance.
That’s interesting insight, I hear you🙏
Totally!
I agree with you--there should be a balance, and we the church need to make sure we are actually following the principles of the Bible, not just emphasizing cultural norms in the name of cherry-picked Bible verses.
What I wish the movement was, personally:
-God created you, loves you, and died for you.
-Sex does belong in a marriage--however, you are a sexual being (married or not) and when you grow, biologically you will feel urges. This does not make you dirty--you are simply growing up. There are hormonal factors that will affect this, i.e., menstruation (Note: I'm not saying this justifies porn, masturbation, etc, I'm just say that that is an aspect of human biology).
-Lust is a choice--not just a "feeling." It's okay to find someone attractive.
-Both men and women need to be in the conversation about lust and modesty.
-Singleness is hard. So is being in a relationship. Be honest about the struggles in both.
-"Following the rules" does not obligate God to give you a perfect spouse or have perfect sex (although He will reward in His own way).
-Be wise about dating--exercise self-control and don't get married super quickly because you want the "benefits" of marriage. Marrying just for sex is an awful idea.
-Assault survivors are loved and made in the image of God (they are not "lesser" for not having their virginity taken from them). Also the assailant is to be charged with the guilt, not the victim (none of this
-Every sin is redeemed at the foot of the cross.
-Habitual sin is wrong.
So another theme of my whole year 😂 to keep a long story short, instead of asking “Lord, what is permissible?” Or “IS this permissible?” for things I at first thought were vague, in my conviction (which should never be ignored, because the Spirit is trying to show you something you may subconsciously refuse to see), my question changed to “Lord, does this glorify You?” I realized that when those two questions are posed to the same situation, I more often than not end up with two completely different answers.
Thanks for sharing😊
what glorifies for you maybe doesn't for another?
I think you still have some very damaging views on this. Only dating a short amount of time just so you don’t fall into temptation is ridiculous. You should really know a person before marrying them. Morgan I was agreeing with you when you said sex is not the answer but then you ruined it with unless you’re married…sex is never the answer. It shouldn’t solve your problems. Sex is great but it is not the answer!
I'm sorry, as someone who grew up in purity culture, and I'll be absolutely honest on the fact I've no idea how I'm still alive. It's disgusting. Period. And even if it's now just about sexual purity, the things said to VERY young girls and is drilled into their heads their whole lives is essentially how worthless a woman is (not a man, though, they just get frowny faces) if she isn't sexually pure until marriage.
It's horrid. I've walked away from any church, choosing to have my walk with God in my way and steer from most Christians.
I did not grow up in purity culture. My grandmother did grow up with a little bit of it. She had her first time at 15, I at 20 or 21 yo. Kids these days are getting older before having sex, waiting longer. Average age of first times went up by 1 entire year in just 5 years.
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Okay? Thank you for telling me your family's uh...intimate...moments.
@@MissMoontree yeah that's because women have more autonomy nowadays?
I believe in the bible but I see that God really protected women from being used and abused by men and left with children without help. I think it’s horrid as you said the way that gets twisted into a matter of fear, or guilt rather than God sharing in a he wish for a man and a woman to love each other, and take care of each other forever. Sorry you went through something so bad, all the best to you.
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This was the nicest comment. Thank you so much, and God bless you too, friend. 🥰
Im not a christian, but for everyone that reads this comment, I highly recommend On her knees by Brenda Marie Davis, such a good book that talks about purity and sex and safety. I urge you if you are a christian to read this book. Lets not stay with what someone tells us, lets explore all the arguments and points of view. I grew up in a christian household, eventally left religion and after all i learnt i dont wanna save sex for marriage but i havent had sex yet and i genually feel happy with my decision and i know whenever i do have sex itll be because i wanted to and said yes and not because i didnt know anything about sex and just went with my physical urges. Again, please look into On her knees by Brenda Marie Davis!!!
YES! Love her! I grew up in an extremely conservative Christian home and was given a purity ring to wear/taught all the typical purity culture things. It did SO much damage as I was later sexually assaulted. I eventually decided not to save sex for marriage after doing more research into purity culture and seeing what the Bible actually said about it (something Brenda talks about!). I have a daughter now and I'm so glad I'm better equipped to teach her about these things and keep her far away from purity culture.
eh no she's done some things she openly talks about that are against the bible. Atheists like her thats the first red flag.
I do respect you guys a lot, there is however one thing I do disagree on, which is not waiting too long to get married. I agree that you don’t have to wait 5, 6 years, but from personal experience I know a lot of people that dated for a year or less because they were afraid of sinning, and they didn’t truly take the time to get to know each other, see if that person was The right type of person for them, if they had the qualities they wanted along with the flaws that they knew they could handle. When you date for not that long, it can be very easy to overlook or to miss certain flaws in someone’s personality, and I feel like, of course everyone has flaws and no one is perfect, and there is no such thing as a perfect person, but some people are more compatible than others, and yes the purpose of marriage is also working on yourself and becoming better for yourself and for your partner, as well as just growing as a person in general, however there are flaws that are harder than others for some people to overcome or Work on, and it is very important for you to know if the person you are going to marry has flaws that you can handle, and is willing to work on themselves for themselves and for you. Of course every case is different, and not having a lot of physical contact in your relationship definitely helps you to have time to actually talk and get to know each other better , as well as ask those hard questions. My only concern is that people can take the advice to not date for too long a little to The extreme and focus more on that then truly taking the time to see if this is the person they want to spend the rest of their life with. I am truly of the belief that after excepting Jesus, who you marry is one of the biggest decisions in your life, so I would just encourage people to not make that decision To Hastily.
Appreciate you sharing your perspective :)
Yeah, I feel like dating for under a year is a little too far. I'm sure it works out for a lot of people, but in general, it's good to give yourself that first year to really see that person go through multiple seasons of their lives
Agreed as someone who had been dating the same person for over a year. We are not at a place where we can get married yet, but we believe it’s worth the wait. We do want to get married and because of that, I actually really don’t want to have sex and neither does he. The thought of doing it actually makes me sick because I know it would not be right and we would both hate it as we are not ready and want to wait. God has the best plan 🙏🏼
I agree. It is different for everyone but don't rush it (unless you feel ready). I know a godly woman who only dated her now husband for 6 months before getting married and she said she cried herself to sleep the whole first year she was so miserable and she felt she didn't fully know who he was at that point (he is a good godly man as well) but she just didn't know some of his quirks and said it is worth it to know who you are marrying before you marry them (they are happily married now). There is the exceptions too :-) Just don't marry someone super quick because you are trying to stay pure, also get to know that person too :-)
Also ‘lovebombing’ is a tactic used by narcissistic/abusive partners in order to get you under their control, and they can do this for months/a year. Getting married before that period ends is really dangerous for ending up in an abusive relationship which is the incredibly difficult to leave.
My pastor always says something along the lines of, "When culture departs from God, women are always the first to suffer." Another way to put it is the most vulnerable always suffer. I think about that a lot. It's not fair or right necessarily, but just kind of the way things are ordered. This can result both from toxic purity culture and from hyper-feminism and sex-positive culture. Like y'all said, it needs to be somewhere in the middle. God exists in perfection and perfect balance, but humans tend to swing too far to one end or the other. And I think the only way we have hope of achieving His balance is being completely dependent on Him and constantly seeking Him, instead of trying to find a formula to accomplish it ourselves. Anyway, that was a lot for a video I'm late to, but I thought I'd share anyway.
You are wrong Alias
It becoming more countercultural to be a Christian. Boldness is a necessary part of the Christian life.
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Just because a poll says someone is a Christian doesn’t mean they are lol.
I broke up with a guy a few days ago because I told him I wanted to wait till marriage. His response made me feel judged and belittled. His argument for not staying pure until marriage was that the times are different. That women don’t get married as young as they used to, right when they enter into womenhood, so basically have sex with whomever whenever, you don’t have to wait. Which I found was a very different interpretation of how I read Gods word.
Wow that’s really sad to hear. Doesn’t sound like he’s a Christian. Good job for standing your ground🙏
You dodged a bullet. This was not someone interested in respecting your boundaries. You don’t want to be involved with someone like that.
I can feel each of your personal shame towards sex in this video. I hope you can heal.
Thank you for talking about this I had sex before marriage and I really needed to hear this it was a literally like 3 years ago before I made the decision to get serious about Jesus
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Hi Alisha! I noticed you saying in the live chat today, that you would like to chat with other Christians for encouragement, do you have Instagram? If you become a P&M patreon you can chat with us on Discord, but if you cannot afford that, I know of a couple other groups you can join ☺🤗🙏
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My biggest frustration with the church personally, was that they would talk about sin, and what we shouldn’t do, and the rules that God in the Bible had given us, but in my experience I almost never saw them explained why God gave us these rules and limits. It wasn’t because God is cruel or boring or unreasonable, it was to help give us guidance and counsel and strength in this world that is full of pain and hardship and Confusion. Only after finding the man I would marry, after so much heartache and disillusion did I understand that God’s Word when it came to love, sex and relationships was to protect me from having to go through all that unnecessary hurt. I feel like if we came at purity culture more from the perspective that God gave us these rules for a reason, out of love and guidance, and not judgment or wrath, it would be so much more productive and help so many young men and women see God for who he truly is, and understand The true beauty and love in his teachings.
Appreciate the perspective :)
This is so true. I agree with your perspective. God has rules for us because He loves us and wants to guide and protect us. He is good. ❤
Some churches don’t know how to explain it biblical way, they speak with no wisdom or the purpose of why God wants to save ourself to marriage, there needs to be why because everything God does has a purpose.
I agree 100%
Wow, I’m really surprised by your stance on a lot of this! I don’t agree with everything in this video but I really appreciate you speaking on the shame that comes from purity culture and the damage it can do. That’s really important coming from influencers within the Christian community. Also well done to Morgan for being so open and candid about your experiences and your experiences with purity culture as a woman!
Appreciate your boldness in speaking on this!
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I think a huge part of the disparity between men and women in purity culture now isn’t AS MUCH who we hold responsible (though that is still a present disparity), but it’s who is treated with more shame later on down the road. Men are seen as more lustful and thus are given a little more grace but women are not seen the same way. A saying in Cambodia ive heard about from a nonprofit there is that men are gold and women are white cloth, which gets at the idea of which gender is seen as permanently damaged and unable to be redeemed. I think that ideology is fairly prevalent globally
Appreciate the insight
The only reason I don't like being a Man is to be allotted with how men are generally. I am so far not like them that some of my loved ones think I am not normal because I'm not lusting after women on a regular basis. Yes, Women are Beautiful Creations but growing up in the family I have I always learned and came to believe that I would rather go through life as a virgin than to be like the average man. I am far from perfect but just because I think a certain woman is attractive does not mean I want or think about being intimate with her.
“There’s no shame or condemnation in Christ Jesus”
Except… sin… eternal hell…
MaKe iT MaKe SeNsE. (You can’t).
The natural consequence of sin is death and eternal separation from God (aka: hell). Christ took that punishment from us when he died on the cross and rose again, conquering death. When we place our faith in him, we no longer have that condemnation and eternal consequence to pay.
hi paul and morgan! i don’t think you’ll ever see this but i started off watching mr atheist and honestly, hating you. i’ve started watching you more and i truly have grown a love for you both despite our differences. my question is, have you looked into false translations regarding homosexuality in the bible? if so, what are your thoughts? if not, i highly recommend you take a look
I do think God wants us to save sex for marriage but I also think purity culture is kinda weird. 😂
I think you nailed it when you said the church got a little carried away with this. Like it’s coming from a good place, but I think it led to a lot of guilt for a lot of people like you just can’t ever do good enough. It makes it more of a legalistic thing which I don’t believe is a godly perspective.
Thank you so much for posting this. Paul & Morgan, i love y'all for always speaking the truth boldly in love. I am a 40 year old virgin. I got saved at 17. I never read I kissed Dating Goodbye because that was already my lifestyle before the book came out. Lol, now I'm ok with dating. But, the majority of my life, I was very religious and hoped to go from God's heart straight into marriage because I did not want a string of broken relationships. Trusting God to unfold that divine love story in my life. :)
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I didn’t have a negative experience with purity culture. I didn’t even know that was a thing lol. I was simply trying to follow and obey Gods word. The Joshua Harris book was actually really helpful for me Lol, and it helped me stop dating non believers and focus on my relationship with the Lord
Yeah I think some southern churches went really nuts with this stuff in the 90’s and 00’s. Like having purity ceremonies in church, etc. I never was in a church like that though we had talks in youth group about saving sex for marriage. It wasn’t the cringe legalism stuff they’re talking about though.
I don't think purity culture is bad. Just like anything you can take it to an extreme. Boundaries are good. I grew up in the same era in a Pentecostal church and it wasn't forced upon us. It was just enforced that we be good Christian citizens of the world.
Yes Morgan...I’m sorry but it is still not entirely equal re purity and it’s direction towards women, less towards men. I have found women be judged harsher in the area of sexuality, boundaries etc. Even now.
U r not just a convo. U r informing thousands x how dare u insist they do something U can’t even remotely do. Teens need real info and data for safety and consent and healthy sexual behaviors. Their blood is on your hands. How dare u take this so casually.
I didn’t grow up in the church. I got baptized at age 20. I had already lost my virginity to the guy I was dating at the time, he also got baptized the same day as me, we both found God while dating and came to Jesus and started a new season together. We got married the week after we got baptized.
All that to say, we both wished we had waited. He had had other partners before dating me. I only had him. It’s a struggle. Been married 17 years now, and we both wish it would of been different.
When we were 5 years in our journey in Christianity. We became church leaders to the youth and would take teens to purity camp twice a year. I wish I can speak to you all about how wonder this camp was!
The problem with purity culture is…. It is targeted towards women so so much. They are the ones preached at about it.
What we liked about our purity camp was that both teen boys and girls attended but were separated in some portion of the days to receive the purity message specifically for them.
The guys had a bunch of married men In their 30s and 20s talking to them men to men and it was a blessing.
We had women talking to the girls.
In the staff we had a nurse give her testimony about her experiences before marriage and how that lead to an abortion. She is now a labor and delivery nurse. Repented and saved and spreading the message about waiting for marriage.
I mean I can go on and on.
But what I’m saying it’s got to be balanced and not shameful.
Purity culture is good if done correctly.
Thank you for sharing this! 💜
Perfectly said!
Would you guys be open to having a conversation with Jimmy Snow, I would love to see that!
The following is my personal experience & opinion of the overwhelming amount of shame caused by purity culture. The values of purity & modesty are extremely important, but the problem lies in the way that they are taught & portrayed.
The Holy Spirit should be our ultimate guide in terms of purity, but the problem is that purity culture does not encourage that idea. Instead, it pushes so much negative imagery regarding our bodies that it causes young people to develop shame about their sexual development; and it pushes so many strict ‘rules’, that it becomes more about people-pleasing than about the heart.
I am almost 30yo and am still dealing with the shame, disgust, misunderstanding, disconnection, and fear regarding my own body that those teachings created.
The purity teachings often portrayed what should have been personal choices as strict rules, which perpetuated overwhelming guilt & shame. Any form of physical contact was looked down upon. What should have been exciting innocent moments in our lives (first time holding hands or first kisses) were instead turned into memories of “sin”, shame, and regret. Kissing before the wedding day was looked down upon, and couples were often judged if they chose to kiss (even though it is clearly a personal choice, and looking back from where I am now, this seems so ridiculous). I’ve heard too many stories in which people were so ashamed that they contemplated suicide! This fact right here is proof that purity culture is toxic and not safe!! Something is seriously wrong with a method of teaching if it is causing young people to go into depression and suicidal thoughts.
This brings me to another very important point: the difference between shame and conviction. Yes, we should feel conviction if we are living in sin. Conviction makes us realize that OUR ACTIONS are wrong and must be changed. However, shame makes us feel like we AS A PERSON are bad, horrible, and worthless. Shame attacks your self-worth. It’s crazy how when you are taught it all from a young age, it becomes your “normal” and you don’t even recognize that you aren’t supposed to be feeling that way. We were manipulated to believe that the shame we were feeling was conviction, which is so twisted because it causes us to confuse the two and believe that it was normal to feel ashamed about our sexual desires.
The modesty teachings stem from the idea that women must cover/hide their bodies, as a form of respect, so that men don’t lust after them. In the mind of a child, this also implies the opposite- that if a man lusts after my body (or gives unwanted/inappropriate attention) then it must be my fault... This creates a lot of pressure and the constant thought of “what do other people think of me” based on how I am dressed. Combined with other purity culture teachings about sexual development, or lack thereof, this develops in the subconscious as feelings of shame, disgust, and fear of your own body- especially as a girl’s body begins to mature. Instead of being seen as natural & beautiful, the female body is portrayed as the ultimate source of lust & immorality and must be hidden. This negative imagery regarding your changing body then causes you to not develop appropriate self-worth or confidence. This causes doubt in your own ability to make decisions and creates a constant mental struggle regarding other people’s opinions of you (not only boys/men, but also [sometimes more so] those in authority over you, as you constantly try to measure up to their subjective expectations of modesty)! Now imagine having to deal with all of these negative thoughts as a CHILD- because these teachings start at a young age. This is way too much pressure.
These beliefs and (a lot more) similar purity culture teachings have affected an entire generation of young people. Many young people are now coming forward and admitting that they have dealt with sexual dysfunction in their marriages, traumatic medical conditions (research vaginismus), and even have emotional/mental symptoms identical to those of childhood S.A.!
Purity culture is toxic- but the messages have been pushed for so long, that most people don’t even realize the harm that they are causing! That is why those of us in our late twenties are just now coming to the realization that the messages pushed by purity culture are the culprit of our perpetual shame, fear, and disconnection between our minds and our bodies/sexuality. I know that the parents and leaders at the time had good intentions, but we can not ignore the fact that a large number of people were hurt by these methods of teaching during their formative years! Now that we know this, it is even more harmful to ignore it.
Dismissing people’s feelings after they’ve been so deeply hurt in these ways by the purity culture movement is not helpful. I believe we should all try to be more understanding and compassionate regarding this topic. I also suggest that you take a step back and reevaluate your own life to see if you may have been affected by purity culture as well, in ways that you have not realized yet. My prayer is that God will help us distinguish between the man-made law that causes shame, guilt, & fear versus His ultimate design/purpose for our sexuality that brings healing & freedom to our lives.
How can you post opinion videos but no words and opinions in your videos commentsI've literally commented on ten plus videos and seen people reply only to get a smiley. C'mon.
It’s because they don’t actually like their rigid interpretation (or more accurately Paul’s interpretation) of the bible to be even lightly challenged because they don’t actually have any real counter arguments that have any substantial basis.
I can't finish this video, I got half way through, but your views are still too much for me.
Watched y’all with sweet Caroline GOOD SHOW!! 👍🏻 and just a small FYI I HATED when lily Anne would watch these guys. I would hear it and think maybe they were believers and then all the sudden say something abominable. I raised kids during this time. Saw it for what it was $$$$. But we opted for being examples of loving Jesus and hoped they’d love Him too, and follow His purity. But I am convinced that my kiddos generations, mill and genZ were given a special dispensation of evil, bw technology and the internet it is only by Gods grace they survived and thrived. Maybe the Whole “purity” thing was supposed to be a help before the age of widespread computers, video games pornography.
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Hey Yvonne! Really interesting insight, thanks for sharing❤️
I feel like Morgan is my favorite unintentional/low-key feminist. Girl's got some strong opinions and I hope she knows it's more than okay to be a strong woman+feminist+Christian.
I've heard this discussion on purity culture before. I respect your beliefs and once believed in purity culture like you. I would encourage you both to either read or learn about the harm of purity culture and some outside perspectives. You never have to agree with them, just learn about them. I think Shameless by Nadia Bolz-Weber could be a good start.
Yes, Paul! I also immediately think of the Jonas brothers when someone mentions a purity ring! 😂 And l am also with Morgan on l wanted a purity ring but l don’t ever wear jewelry! 😂
Haha nice. I can’t remember if I ever wanted one😊
Me and you both. I love the purity ring analogy but I barely wear jewelry and I feel like it has to be cute and I don't have the 💰💰for such
Another thing, I feel like purity must also be from the heart other than the "physical part" of it. So I am still working along the purity lines and then I feel it will be appropriate to get one and I will learn to wear it😂😂😂though I'm not really into jewelry
I was in high school and college through purity culture and maybe it was just my group and the people around me, but it was not directly only to the ladies. I thought the boys were really strongly spoken to as well. And it was not damaging to me at all. There was plenty of talk about repenting when you messed up. Plenty of info about how Jesus restores, but don't turn back to it after you repent. When you do, repent. Like it was balanced, it was directed at both ladies and gents, it was filled with the Gospel and grace where I was. And my husband and I loved I Kissed Dating Goodbye. We did not agree with everything in the book, we took what we thought was great, and didn't follow the parts we didn't agree with and we are not damaged. I hate that it damaged people. Makes me sad.
Also at 31 minutes, sex is never the answer unless you're married. Well sort of but not really, even when you are married sex is not the answer to problems or issues with no intimacy. Sex is a result of intimacy, not the maker of it.
The only real issue I have with this video is Paul's use of "get right with God." Positionally, if you are born again, you are always right with God. When we sin we have an advocate with the Father in Jesus. Sanctification is not always linear, and I believe it is unbiblical to tell a believer that when they sin, they are knocked out of "being right" with God. Sin breaks our fellowship with him, and so we repent to reenter that. But we don't just stop being saved, which is what "being right with God" actually means. I don't know if Paul means it that way, but I do think he should rethink that term when speaking about this. Everything else was spot on though.
HI, I don't think Paul meant it that way, he meant to repent ''''get right with God'' to go through the process of humbling yourself and repenting. asking God for forgiveness and for help so you don't fall into temptation again.
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Whether you’re born again or not, as far as I know or what I was taught…if you push God away long enough and don’t come back to Him you can lose your salvation. There are so many so called Christians who think that once saved always saved garbage and it’s not at all true. I’m not saying walk on eggshells but just keep God first. I believe in the middle ground like Paul said but yeah. I didn’t finish watching the video by the way either so it’s up to you if you wanna take what I said into consideration.
@@Hope4Life26 Maybe - I’m not sure where I fall on that particular argument, but regardless, God promises to keep us. He establishes that he shall not lose a single one of his children (which sounds more like those people who do fall away from God were never actually saved to begin with, not that they lost salvation). The point is, to be “right with God” means to be justified in his sight. And that is possible through the death and resurrection of Jesus, given to us freely. It isn’t something we lose and gain and lose and gain again every time we sin because Jesus is our advocate with the Father and our final, once for all, atoning sacrifice. We are being sanctified in this life, and that comes with hardships, struggles, and sometimes backsliding. It isn’t always an instant change. But our justification is in Christ, not in our works.
And it’s fine if that’s not what Paul actually meant, but it’s what it sounded like, and to a weak (new, struggling, what have you) Christian, it can be confusing. That’s all I’m trying to say.
Yeah it is hard for me to even see a girl as beautiful without thinking that I have sinned (especially in the summer). It is almost like we forgot that we are still sinners and that we are still drawn to be attracted as males and females to each other.
I had a different experience in the church in the 90's, I guess. My church definitely spoke to men more in terms of purity. Women seemed to be treated as if they were perfect in this area, and as if men were constantly tempted more than women. To the church's credit, they spoke to both genders equally when it came to our roles and responsibilities. I thought the movement was mostly good, encouraging us to take our faith seriously.
I’d be really interested in hearing more of your guys’ thoughts on their Sextember episodes, honestly.
I think I have mixed opinions on purity culture. On one hand, I have heard some pretty strange things, even in this video. I grew up heavily involved in the church, and I never heard any of those metaphors or purity pledges. I had never even heard of a purity ring until my parents got me one when I was 14 or 15. They kind of did the thing from the movie courageous (though, they swear they planned it before the movie came out). We did talk about purity, but it was always only about the spiritual/relational aspect. No one ever talked about the physical part of it. Any mention of it was always left so vague it was less than unhelpful. There was no talk about practical boundaries physically or otherwise. I was left with "Honor God with your body and relationships" and "Sex is something physical meant for marriage." But, the "how do you do that?" and "what even is sex?" are questions I had that no one ever answered (until I was 19 and meant my abusive ex-boyfriend, but most of that is a whole other story). So fast forward, the amount of shame and guilt and self hatred I felt after having sex before marriage was so heavy and dark; it (along with many other things) pushed me to question my entire faith in God. I had convinced myself that no matter how bad things got the only way I could ever make it right was to stay with that guy and eventually marry him. I stayed in that relationship for almost 3 years longer than I should have, and almost committed suicide. (Also a story for another time). It took me almost another year after getting out to finally accept that I could be forgiven and to move on and heal.
Anyway, that was a really long way of saying Purity culture contains some good things, but in the church we need to teach both spiritual and physical purity, as well as, include practical tools to walk in purity and set boundaries. It is also hugely important to emphasize the gospel and God's forgivness.
Really appreciate you sharing that, Michaela. I think many have experienced something similar to what you and Morgan went through. Praise God for His mercy and forgiveness❤️🙏
Why is there such an overemphasis into the female in purity culture? Because the female carries the brunt of it if she gets pregnant. The male could potentially get off Scott free in some cases while the female literally carries the burden in pregnancy and shame
Because purity culture isn't about God. It's about sexism.
@@maraphernalia no it’s not. It’s about actually caring that our children walk with GOD. However it is being handled or mishandled, the intention is for the children to know GOD and walk hand in hand with HIM.
@@jenniferneff1244 but also feel shame and guilt if they wanna have sex? Mmmkay
So decide if you want to believe that GOD created you. Decide if you believe that HE gave us HIS WORDS in the Bible. Decide if you want to live by those words HE wrote for us to live by. Decide if you want to believe that HE has an opinion on your behaviors, your words, even your thoughts. It’s what it means to call JESUS “LORD.” It’s ownership. And we accept ownership or we don’t. If we do accept that, then we agree to CARE what HE says enough to listen and try to apply HIS WORDS to our life. Good news is that if we choose to do this, we can ask HIM to help us and HE does! 😊💗 but our CREATOR decides what sin is, we don’t. And fornication is sexual immorality. Depending on which translation you are reading it’s listed as one or the other. It’s all over the Bible. HE ***definitely*** has an opinion on it. If you want to be a Christian, you cannot ignore this and just do what you want. HE lets us know what sin is. We get to believe that and obey HIM or disbelieve and ignore it. Surrender or rebel. That’s every one of our free will choice.
The smiley faces just seem so easy. Why ask for opinions or 5 dollars to be on a tier list. No judgement I'm just wondering considering what other say and then I see it also
I don't do the 'you better not ' but I watch a lot of vlogs that when I stumble, I remember the words from the blogs and go🤨🤨you better not 😂😂😂😂 and for me to remain pure, I go ' yes girl you have an urge to commit adultry/fornication with that guy in your heart but imagine Jesus came back today, would you be raptured immediately?' That fear kept me intact😅
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The purity culture I experienced was more focused on “stay pure for your future husband” and didn’t focus on staying pure for God, who loves me and wants good for me. It was hard to stay pure when it’s for a future person I may never meet. After coming to know God, and rededicating my life to Jesus, deciding to wait is easy.
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“Wants what’s good for you,” huh?
Riiiiiiight… because that’s _totally_ not what every dictator throughout history has said.
@@DesGardius-me7gf He can't be called a dictator because He gave us the choice to love and worship Him. But loving and worshipping the God of love and power and every amazing thing that He is, is a privilege. I'm amazed and in awe of Him every single day for who He is and it's changing my reality to truth. The love and peace and life that comes from Him is not even describable. Thank you Jesus for dying for a sinner like me.
@@jenniferwalsh1731 If I held a gun to your head and said “You have have the free choice to give me all your money or not, you don’t have to of you don’t want to, but if you don’t, I’ll shot you!” does that sound like you have a choice in the matter? Of course not.
“Free” means to give or receive something without the expectation of return. Call it “circumstantial will,” because that’s what it is.
@@DesGardius-me7gf thank you for your response, but I’m afraid that analogy doesn’t fit. God doesn’t put a gun to our head, he does give us a choice. Most people love their sin.. I used too… I had a choice I could continue to deny Christ and stay in my sin or come to Christ and receive the free gift he offers. I still sin and I definitely don’t deserve salvation, but he offers it to EVERYONE who makes the choice to trusts in him and what he did on the cross. I’m glad I made that choice, I hope maybe one day you see things differently.
Just signed up for the $5 a month membership on Patreon finally! Excited to search those posts. :)
I have a 14 year old nephew that lives with my husband and I full time and I don't notice very much of the purity stuff/talk happening with him, like I know it did when I was his age. I'm not sure if it's his gender or if it's the change of purity culture though, so I'm trying my hardest to talk to him myself. I'd be so sad to find out he thought God wouldn't forgive him for anything he ends up doing before marriage though. I know I've struggled with that feeling myself and it's horrible.
Aww welcome to the Patron Fam, Megan! I’m sure you’re a good influence on your nephew :)
Really enjoyed this video guys!
It was a really good conversation and you brought up some excellent points about the pros and cons of purity culture.
It all comes back to if we try to be righteous by our own strength it’s just too hard. But if we rely on Jesus and accept the authority placed in us and the forgiveness he’s given us it’s going to succeed.
I believe that many people are pushed into religion rather than being taught about God’s true principles and love. Religion destroys people while God actually saves people. Religion puts the pressure on us to want God while when you fall in love with God He gives you the desire to live for Him.
I feel like you guys covered this really well, so I don’t have much to add, but I do want to say how my youth group handled purity culture and how not only did it stick with me, but I really feel like it was handled well. They used youth group leaders that were younger, probably newly out of college age, and had them talk to us. They used the analogy of a paper heart and actually talked about how when we give our hearts to someone, such as dating, kissing, sex, so on and so forth, we give a piece of our heart away and they proceeded to pull the heart apart so it was in pieces. The part that really stuck with me to this day is how they ended it with, if we do this then we have an incomplete heart, but then they went to the gospel and how we can be completely restored because of what Jesus did. Our hearts can be completely put back together and not just with tape, but as if it has never happened if we repent and commit to Christ so we can be whole for our future spouse. It honestly helped me so much when I did fall away and then came back, eventually, to Christ.
That’s really cool to hear that your youth group handled it well!
Hi! I hope you know that you are always complete no matter what.
I’m so thankful I was thought this way and was able to later on teach it this way!
Guys. Can you actually write words to my comments
The initial background reason for Purity Culture, the sanctity of the marriage bed, is worth teaching. The marriage bed is a symbolism of the covenant between believers and God. As such, it's meant to be sanctified for that reason. However, the problem is where Purity Culture makes women feel guilty for their bodies looking desirable and having sex before marriage makes you no longer worth anything that makes Purity Culture so destructive.
You can not equivocate sex and road rage. That belittles the actual reasons way one believes in God, and has faith. Sex and marriage, are not the only reasons why one has faith. Should be one have lust, no. Should someone feel shame for it, no. Should you ask for guidance, yes, should you do better, yes. Shame over wronging someone is good, shame over your feelings, nah. God helps you deal with human feelings, not suppress them. That’s how people end up on “snapped.”
Among my problems with the idea of purity culture is that, from a Scriptural standpoint, it is adding rules to the rules, just as the Pharisies did. The Bible forbids sexual intercourse before marriage, but the avoidance of that in obedience to our Saviour is going to look different for each one of us.
Also, I think a lot of the problem when it comes to guys and lust is twofold:
First, many even so-called Christian guys don't see women the way Christ sees them: as unique, individual humans created in the image of God.
Second, I think a lot of it is a misplaced desire for affection. Teenage and young adult males want cuddling, but they're told they aren't supposed to want that any longer and they're supposed to want sex all the time instead.
Also, girls, forget the purity ring, invest in a shoe and learn how to use it if necessary.
I think Morgan was reading this scripture when she got her tattoo "Set me as a seal upon your heart, as a seal upon your arm, for love is strong as death, jealousy is fierce as the grave. Its flashes are flashes of fire, the very flame of the Lord."
Song of Solomon 8:6 ESV or she was listening to Jesus Culture You Won't Relent.
One thing I don’t think you are considering, is Christians who did the “right” thing and saved themselves and struggled in their marriage because of purity culture. I think it had good intentions but was also soooo damaging in many ways.
Thanks for the vulnerability!
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Excellent perspective. This is not unclear in the Word. Yes, God expects purity. But that culture is shame based, and that's NOT ok.
She got shamed. He still thinks she is shameful for premarital sex. And there is absolutely nothin helpful here. Only hypocritical non-advice.
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Toy Poodle😊
I appreciate the values growing up in a family that used purity culture instilled in me, however, the scars are there. I am saving myself for marriage and dress modestly, however I have only recently been able to break free of the shame I felt about my own body. When I started to develop a womanly figure, I thought I was going to be a distraction/temptation for the guys around me, I was ashamed that I was a woman and not an amorphous blob. That same shame also made me feel disgusting for being attracted to boys, I felt gross when I had a crush because I thought it was lustful. Recently I have started to see that God designed the woman body to be beautiful, and it is possible to dress modestly in a way that still allows God's design to shine though. In addition, God designed sex to be a fun and amazing thing that bonds a husband and wife together in a deeper way than anything else, but He designed it to be reserved for marriage because of that aspect. What tends to be forgotten is that all sins are equal and all sins can be forgiven, purity is your state with God not the state of your body. While virginity cannot be renewed, purity can, and there is always hope for every person. Sorry for the mini Ted Talk, I hope someone can read this and be more confident in their faith.
I started listening to Responsible Faith channel because of similar church backgrounds - Pentecostal. All of the videos are good. There is one related to what you are talking about. It's called The Harm of Modesty Culture in the Church.
Yeah... this movement got way out of hand.
It idolized marriage and the chastity(of women mostly) and delivered to an inexperienced youth, an action/reward doctrine and called it Biblical truth.
It subsequently impacted other subcategories of which it also began to develop "doctrine" for, such as Dating and Modesty.
Edit: It also never really presented a healthy view of singleness. It was passively presented as a waiting period or the in-between time before you get to the finish line of marriage. It didn't really highlight the fact that singleness is a very blessed and exciting season of life as well nor did it provide opportunities for young adults to live in that space without the pressure of the culture.
A way to test that: how many single ministries are out there?... of those, how many aren't low-key (or high-key) focused on getting ready for marriage?
If purity culture was all a young person was exposed to growing up in church, it really did cause some people to not have a balanced perspective of reality. Some people were left ill-equipped when it came time to move away from the communities that harnessed that culture.
Also, not dating or having sex does not make you exempt from pain or heartbreak. You can actually go through the same level of pain by being ill-equipped in handling and navigating your own thoughts emotions which can exist (if full) without sex being a part of the equation.
My opinion as a 20 year old dude who was not raised Christian whatsoever or grew up in "purity culture" and who only came to Christ around 2 years ago and who isn't a virgin is this: You can't claim to be a sincere follower of Christ if you don't care about purity. Furthermore, as far as "value" is concerned, I do think my value has diminished because of this. For both myself and for my future wife because I will always have those images of the person I slept with in my mind and bring those images into my marriage bed. Furthermore, my future wife will also know I've been with another woman. It affects both her and I in different ways. If I could go back and time and not do it, I would. Having said that, I've repented and its been forgiven. This also doesnt mean "I'm living in constant shame" No I don't, but I can still say that the canvas has been tainted irrevocably
Appreciate the honest comment🙏❤️
Wise 20 year old dude! 🙌...God bless you and keep you on His path.
The canvas tainted irrevocably is nonsense man
@@keef5 why do you say that?
It makes me sad because "purity culture" as they called it was such a blessing in my life... maybe it was those who took it to the extreme. I always felt my parents had a good balanced view in their teaching and the other leaders in my life as well. I just can't identify at all from those who felt harm from it. And in our culture both sex's were held accountable. In fact in the book I kissed dating good-bye Josh came down hard on the guys way more then the girls.
That’s really cool to hear!🙏
It’s not a blessing, it’s a curse.
Jesus loves you and died so you can have eternal life. Repent and turn to Him because He is coming soon! He loves you!
big fans of rhett and link!! I listened to all of their purity culture podcasts. I was here looking for ur Jessie Lee Peterson video cus i'm a big fan of Jaclyn LOL but I'm happy to have found this video! I anticipate it will be really interesting :)
Morgan you should be commended for repenting and realizing Christ is the way
The reward / punishment balance is not established in mainstream christianity much. It's easier and lazier to scare people into doing stuff. It takes a master to turn somebody else into a master.
Hey can y’all review the Netflix series (midnight mass)
It’s suppose to be church based but it’s pretty wild
I never heard of purity culture until I find out about modesty I hated this modesty
That's great you guys waited til marriage. I also dislike jewelry and tattoos on women (especially earrings) so I feel that shows a very based centered woman. But I think purity culture has always existed lol every civilization has it it's just commercialized in America. PS read 1 John 3
Thank you for staying Biblical and not swayed by the world in your responses to these tough topics! God bless!🤗
My husband and I dated for 6.5 weeks and were engaged for 10.5 weeks. I had been in a 2.5 year relationship where I did NOT cross boundaries I had made and was able to stay pure, but my husband who loved God had some casual sex experiences with another woman. He had to repent. He saw how that sin brought darkness into his life. He re-dedicated himself to purity and self-control, and three+ years later we met and waited until marriage for all forms of sexual intimacy. We see the blessing over our marriage for that. I am so blessed that I stayed pure, even when it was so hard. I have been free from those shackles. My husband has been restored by God’s grace and his repentance, but he had to face the darkness those choices brought to his life for some time. God had a lot of healing work to do. I love my husband and regard him as completely forgiven, changed, and pure.
As you talk about responsibilities for women versus men…I am reminded of your old video regarding modesty where Paul talks about how a man going without a top at a pool is not an issue like women wearing bikinis. How that doesn’t cause lust issues in the same way. I’m surprised that you Morgan are willing to say that the church hasn’t placed enough responsibility on men, and yet your Chanel also doesn’t place the same burden of responsibility on men.
Also as a note, as a Christian that did not wait for marriage I feel no shame! I’m thankful that I don’t adhere to that dogma. My marriage is thriving and beautiful and we have no regrets. It’s only baggage if you make it baggage. :)
Hey, how do you reconcile your decision not to wait with the word of God?
Great question-I wish I could link resources here. But there’s a fair amount of teaching that indicates that Jewish peoples didn’t see premarital sex as sinful or good-rather something to be careful about. I agree with that! Sex is important and should be had wisely.
Additionally, there are lots of sources that say adultery has been mistranslated-it’s not about sex before marriage but about sex with someone that isn’t your partner.
I have also heard arguments against “sexual immorality” but could you tell me what is immoral? I have never seen a source that clearly states that it is having premarriage sex. In my view, true sexual immorality would be poor sexual ethics, coercion, deceit in sexual encounters….etc.
But for full transparency, I also do not believe the Bible to be literal. So even if there was a literal and direct law against pre-marital sex (which there is not) then I still wouldn’t feel bound to it, because of my understanding of what scripture is.
I highly recommend the book Reading the Bible again for the first time by Marcus Borg.
Additionally, personal experience. My sex with my now husband has never once felt sinful. It has always edified always encouraged and always grown our relationship. And it didn’t cheapen our wedding night or hurt or sex after marriage. If you can tell the goodness of something by the fruit, then I can tell you our relationship is very good.
Honestly I hope you guys hear all I have to say with kindness. I started watching y’all when I was still very conservative. But I still watch because I enjoy pondering ideas. Honestly wish I could connect with you two in person, I think we would have fun and heated conversations.
I do wonder, would y’all be willing to make a video on clearly entailing what you must/must not belief yo be saved? I find peoples answers fascinating!! Blessing
@@mkmoore8999 wait what video did Paul say it wasn’t an issue?
People get all upset about emoji responses like they're owed a 5 page essay in MLA format as a response. If they try to respond to every comment with a complex, nuanced answer, they're not going to have time to make videos, or they're going to give an answer that doesn't come across how they intend it to. Calm yourselves.
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I’d call it a purity movement not a “culture”, and apart from taking in a bit of money from people buying rings etc, the movement has failed miserably since unfortunately only very small minority of people stay pure, the only culture that exists in regards to sex is a sinful culture of debauchery and promiscuity and that’s why purity pledges almost always fail since sexual temptation is everywhere and extremely hard to resist. Most churches don’t give a crap about purity and the ones that do don’t teach it the right way.
Sex is just sex. Its just a practice between, idealy, two consenting adults. You religious types make it much more of an ordeal than non believers. Its something every living thing does. its as natural as our butt naked bodies and the dirt beneath our feet. Its not that big of a deal.
@@infinitedragonbellyx.x For God is since fornicators and adulterers wont inherit the kingdom of God.
Hi, I really enjoy reaction and collab videos, would be so fun to see a reaction vid of you reacting to jimmy snow reacting to your jlp vid and a collab with jaclyn and David would be awesome too (I’m so curious if you saw her video on all the hate she got for having a baby). Also I’ve been watching a lot of videos of Morgan singing and your incredibly talented, anyway you seem a lot happier atm I really hope you are you have such fun energy and a pretty smile. Hope you have a nice weekend. I hope everyone’s happy and healthy and please let’s all try to be kind to one another. Love k xx
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Love y'all ...great video
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I think this is an excellent discussion of the whole courtship/purity culture thing. Purity culture had/has such good intentions, but often lacked a foundation of why it was there in the first place. People need to know the whys, not just the whats.
But it was based on a lie by josh Harris ( false prophet ) and quotes : "I want to say that I am sorry for the views that I taught in my books and as a pastor regarding sexuality ".
Another thing- One of the most key reasons I stayed pure was because I chose to for ME as a way to honor God. If you are being preached at to do something but haven’t yet found that relationship and that reason to actually believe in it, it becomes empty. Empty like the Bible is without the Spirit bringing life to it. If a person has no connection to the topic, and feels shamed, cornered, and forced, they will almost never stay on the straight and narrow. Another tricky aspect is that while you can guide your children to have these realizations, they simply cannot be forced. You can’t force someone to have a true and deep understanding of God. So we do our best to gently guide and set rules, but then also to loosen the rope and let older kids begin to make some of their own decisions to develop their own understanding.
27:10 I feel that Paul. This Video was so good 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Thanks Michael!
God calls us to love ourselves and each other and Him- any analogy that doesn't encourage us and resonate in love and harms our psyche doesn't have a place.
Even though it was a hard relationship/breakup it’s probably better because it lead you to Paul! Do you believe in the idea of “everything happens for a reason?”
Yes, it does deserve the heat.
Forcing people to embrace doctrines that teach that they have no sexual agency under threat of torture is abuse, Paul & Morgan, period.
There’s no such thing as “sexual sin”, it’s a stupid concept concocted by a madman in 1st Century Anatolia named Paul of Tarsus, who was a narcissistic cult leader and misogynist. I don’t care how “remorseful” he came off as in his epistles, every sociopath in history has done this.
Also, in regards to my previous comment on another video of your’s about Leviticus 25:44-46, you still haven’t answered. Why? Because you have no answer, that’s why. If you’re willing to follow a book that condones slavery, you have no business telling people how they should behave sexually.
I think that a lot of these conversations with the key elements of purity in the Bible, which is a purity was designed by God not as a sin to be punished for, but as a protection for women and men from the pain and suffering suffering that having sex with the wrong person can bring. These metaphors of the crumpled paper and the deflowered rose don’t consider gods grace and don’t leave room for redemption, which feels non-Christian.
Alcohol and tattoo parlor don't mix!
what I feel is missing in the way some Christians talk about sex today. If your faith calls you to abstinence before marriage, that is fine and good. But the problem for me is when people start preaching that their interpretation is the only way or the holiest way or the right way. From what I’ve witnessed, the fruit that this kind of teaching produces is often overwhelming guilt, anger, and pain.
And bad reason to get married 101- hurry up and get married to whom your dating so your not tempted and you can have sex. Wow!