This brother hitting it on the head. I BEEN like this as well. Been speaking on these things and in this manner. Why? Because it's REAL. You're not LESS Christian or godly because you speak on REAL topics and say words like "clit" 😄 That's why a LOT of young people or those outside the walls DONT want to listen, because many times the church is still TOO stand offish on REAL topics and conversations that need to be had for the well being and forward movement of the culture. Glory to Yah. Praying for this brother
He's not right because virginity has one definition. Event he most strict of Islamic scholars say it's a penis entering the vagina. That's it. Sexual acts doesnt mean loss of virginity. Technically kissing someone can make you lose your virginity by this guy's failed logic
I honestly don’t know the difference because people who stop having sex for a short time say they’re both lol. How would you describe each as the true definition?
@@1stMikeWhite abstinence is a choice of the self which can be good if it’s applied fully. Celibacy is a choice made of the self for holy purposes that God gets the glory out of it and there is no compromise because it’s a commitment spiritually. I’m saying that abstinence is human and celibacy is Godly. It’s a close call because of the definitive factors.
@@GodsChild4Ever446 good observation. Yet most of the stuff God wants us to do is for our own good too though. It helps us avoid pain both physical mental and spiritual emotional etc. lol I can’t even explain why I don’t want to marry someone who hasn’t waited for sex without sounding like a narcissist lol, But it’s my earthly preference as well as spiritual.
@@1stMikeWhite why do you think you sound like a narcissist concerning your truth? That’s interesting to me because it sounds like you’ve been misjudged for sticking to your truth.
@@GodsChild4Ever446 yeah, it’s because of a lot of reason. This society sells physical attraction and sex in nearly everything and I believe it destroys the meaning of sex. That’s one reason I’m misjudged. The other and main reason I would sound like a narcissist is more personal. I just can’t see myself loving certain women for their sexual history. I’m not judging a women’s ability to love, but I believe once you have a soul tie with someone they’re part of you for life. I believe when you have casual sex you can’t show you spouse the same affection as if they were the only one. People even try to go to witches to break it but it’s unsuccessful. I don’t want a wife who’s had that at all, I rather experience everything with her for the first time lol. Women who have casual sex are heartless and I can’t have that at all lol. With men it’s different though. It’s hard out here forreal.
The church went over board at one time Christianity was controlling, bullying, a witch hunt and Ruled by fear. Now it's watered down, tolerant and all inclusive. Where is Jesus in all of it. Just speak the true gospel in love and allow people to use their free will to chose. Just like Jesus did. He didn't manipulate or use fear tactics or gimmicks.
You are right, he is preaching, sadly christians are not getting any TEACHING thus causing a lack of growth where spirituality is concerned (LOST SHEEP).
Tim Ross keep running. I think your a forerunner for biblical conversation within the black community and Christian culture. I don’t think every conversation is for the pulpit and four walls of the church But should be discussed according to Biblical standard.
…..and we wonder why some people don’t connect with church. 🙄🙄🙄🙄. Tbh, I’ve never dealt with toxic purity culture personally, but it’s like, why do we as the church like painting everything that has to do with sex as demonic????? Why not have a hip, trendy church that uses and teaches the Bible correctly concerning topics like this without brushing it away as not spiritual? Kudos to u Tim Ross for bringing this up
It was a thing I got told by everyone in my local community that this is how the LDS youth get around it. With rational gymnastics and call it "soaking." They have to sign a contract when attending BYU university that they will not engage with each other unless married. Before he moved on doing his thang, The singer to "Imagine Dragons" got expelled for engaging with his girlfriend.
Yes! I went to school with a lot of LDS kids and as long as it wasn’t vaginal it wasn’t “sex”….like nope, you’re still having sex like everyone else but ok
Tim I agree with you and witnessed that iin a freewill baptist private school. Where most of all the girls who where teens were not virgins Biblically, but becuase they didn't do it the correct way they called themselves "virgins". Also, their mouths, minds, and hearts weren't too. So dude, I agree with you. To which toxic purity culture needs to be addressed and we need to be Bibilically correct in all areas, including sex. ADONAI created sex as a covenant reafriment of love with husband and wife. Also the "girls" you mentioned are not virgins, cuase once you have sex for the first time. You are no longer a virgin. But welcome to the distorted culture we live in.
Technically, virgin? No, sir, they're not virgins it's called oral and anal SEX. A virgin is someone who has not had sexual intercourse. This way of interpretation, as with many private interpretations, leads to these types of error.
The Church is preaching what the teaching of God is. To abstain is to invoke and ask the holy spirit, allow the Holy spirit to help you to control the sin of the flesh, lust, the desires of the flesh. Which its meant to be for the marital covenant spouse. That is the teaching. To say that it's toxic purity is wrong. It's not toxic to speak to truth. The truth is to teach repentance and asking the Lord to help guide tour desires and tmdo his will not our own.
Purity is rooted in Christ. The fact that people have looked for a way around sexual intercourse to do other things does not change the fact that they have entered into the act in another way. Purity is to keep oneself from sin, not do something that gets you that feeling in another way.
Idk the church that i grew up in made it pretty clear that any kind of sex is sex. I havent been to a church that said "no vaginal sex, everything else is ok." This sounds like a tim ross issue lol
That is clear. It's biblical. My question is what are you actually saying? Can you share with us what you think is being spun? I agree with what he is saying. In college, when I was not living for the Lord, I had a woman tell me you could not have vaginal intercourse with me because she did not love me but she could perform oral sex. Likewise, I was hearing how prominent the idea was among Catholic girls in particular because it allowed them to be engage in sexual activity while remaining virgins. Being transparent, this was great news to a young man in the world looking to use women for sinful, lustful desires. The girls who did not have a conviction about intercourse could satisfy that desire and the ones who were more susceptible to oral sex to maintain their "purity" were good for that purpose. It's ugly and I'm not proud to disclose this but this is 100% exactly what was happening in my teens. I'm asking you to make your comment clear and direct so we can discuss versus speculate on what you mean.
@@denno3124 Greetings! First, let me thank you for your respectful approach in wanting to understand my post, which I will gladly elaborate on. Since the Garden of Eden, satan has been manipulating man's (human beings) perspective in an effort to make us be in rebellion against Almighty God. What He made (to be) good, satan came right behind Him and corrupted it. His (satan) agenda is very clear when we look at all the chaos, destruction, premature death (via its many forms) and so much lack of love, respect, godly boundaries, etc. for one another in the world. Schools can teach how to have "responsible" sexual relations (condoms, birth control) but not biblical reasons for who (and the actual purpose) Almighty God created it for in the first place. And let me be clear, I was not raised in a Christian home so I was worldly more than godly because I was lacked knowledge with regard to the Bible. But, had I been armed with the knowledge and understanding of it (as someone who has always been self aware), I believe I would have made a lot better decisions as a young adult.
Since you asked... Using their feet to stroke the gents. Toxic purity is one of the greatest evils in the land. Pastors try to use that verse from the Bible that talks about don't talk about what people do in secret. And ignore the verse about my people perish for a lack of knowledge. We would all be better off learning about these things the real the good and the bad from our parents and leaders, in a controlled loving safe open environment where the real can be discussed without shame. But instead we acting like we won't get eaten by the alligator in the water if we pretend it's not there. We say "don't tell him about that! then they going to want to go do it" And we should be saying "we need to tell them about that so they can know not to do it" rather than just fall into it because of their own sinful desires and temptation by familiar spirits in their bloodline or a monitoring spirit that found a way in through a foothold in the doorway to their hearts and minds.
Toxic purity culture isn't just abstinence. It's the promise that if you wait until marriage it will be amazing. How can you even promise that? Three years into marriage, and let me tell you...penetration isn't always possible. It's not just a myth or something people say to scare virgins into obedience...it really is a thing, and it isn't always fixable. It doesn't just kill sex, but family dreams as well. It's messed with my head. God blesses to the thousandth generation the one who loves the Lord. Like, we must really have done something wrong to not be blessed to even consumate let alone have another generation. So, yeah, even the promise of sex after marriage being "the bomb" is a part of toxic purity culture too.
He's not right because virginity has one definition. Event he most strict of Islamic scholars say it's a penis entering the vagina. That's it. Sexual acts doesnt mean loss of virginity. Technically kissing someone can make you lose your virginity by this guy's failed logic. I agree there is a toxic purity culture out there but to give a new definition of something just because you feel guilt you arent a virgin is wrong. That's like someone saying murder is the same thing as hitting someone. Yes, hitting can LEAD TO murder but hitting at its essence is NOT murder.
Purity comes from the heart to not sin, not how to get away with it. #TrueStory #LetsGoJesus
bro this right here hit different 👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾
AMEN
I've been saying this for years. Terrible about explaining sex because they're afraid to talk about it when God created it.
This brother hitting it on the head. I BEEN like this as well. Been speaking on these things and in this manner.
Why? Because it's REAL. You're not LESS Christian or godly because you speak on REAL topics and say words like "clit" 😄
That's why a LOT of young people or those outside the walls DONT want to listen, because many times the church is still TOO stand offish on REAL topics and conversations that need to be had for the well being and forward movement of the culture.
Glory to Yah. Praying for this brother
He's not right because virginity has one definition. Event he most strict of Islamic scholars say it's a penis entering the vagina. That's it. Sexual acts doesnt mean loss of virginity. Technically kissing someone can make you lose your virginity by this guy's failed logic
I Love how you Truth it out Bruh... Praise God for the truth🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
People don’t understand the difference between abstinence and celibacy.
I honestly don’t know the difference because people who stop having sex for a short time say they’re both lol. How would you describe each as the true definition?
@@1stMikeWhite abstinence is a choice of the self which can be good if it’s applied fully. Celibacy is a choice made of the self for holy purposes that God gets the glory out of it and there is no compromise because it’s a commitment spiritually. I’m saying that abstinence is human and celibacy is Godly. It’s a close call because of the definitive factors.
@@GodsChild4Ever446 good observation. Yet most of the stuff God wants us to do is for our own good too though. It helps us avoid pain both physical mental and spiritual emotional etc. lol I can’t even explain why I don’t want to marry someone who hasn’t waited for sex without sounding like a narcissist lol, But it’s my earthly preference as well as spiritual.
@@1stMikeWhite why do you think you sound like a narcissist concerning your truth? That’s interesting to me because it sounds like you’ve been misjudged for sticking to your truth.
@@GodsChild4Ever446 yeah, it’s because of a lot of reason. This society sells physical attraction and sex in nearly everything and I believe it destroys the meaning of sex. That’s one reason I’m misjudged. The other and main reason I would sound like a narcissist is more personal. I just can’t see myself loving certain women for their sexual history. I’m not judging a women’s ability to love, but I believe once you have a soul tie with someone they’re part of you for life. I believe when you have casual sex you can’t show you spouse the same affection as if they were the only one. People even try to go to witches to break it but it’s unsuccessful. I don’t want a wife who’s had that at all, I rather experience everything with her for the first time lol. Women who have casual sex are heartless and I can’t have that at all lol. With men it’s different though. It’s hard out here forreal.
Tim Ross be speaking straight facts.
Dang bro… this was raw but right.
The church went over board at one time Christianity was controlling, bullying, a witch hunt and Ruled by fear. Now it's watered down, tolerant and all inclusive. Where is Jesus in all of it. Just speak the true gospel in love and allow people to use their free will to chose. Just like Jesus did. He didn't manipulate or use fear tactics or gimmicks.
Pricisely! very well put!! 👏👏👏
Amen 🙏🏾
Tim just saying all the things.
Saying the truth that no one wants to hear.
Oh wow. Come on Tim! Preach!
You better preach! 💯💯💯💯💯
You are right, he is preaching, sadly christians are not getting any TEACHING thus causing a lack of growth where spirituality is concerned (LOST SHEEP).
This is why I love your channel/podcast. YOU KEEP IT SO 💯!!! It's refreshing to see Christians talk publicly like this.
Tim Ross keep running. I think your a forerunner for biblical conversation within the black community and Christian culture. I don’t think every conversation is for the pulpit and four walls of the church But should be discussed according to Biblical standard.
Amen to that thank u so much
Not to throw shade but man my Mormon friends love using the no vaginal intercourse excuse
Chileee
…..and we wonder why some people don’t connect with church. 🙄🙄🙄🙄. Tbh, I’ve never dealt with toxic purity culture personally, but it’s like, why do we as the church like painting everything that has to do with sex as demonic????? Why not have a hip, trendy church that uses and teaches the Bible correctly concerning topics like this without brushing it away as not spiritual? Kudos to u Tim Ross for bringing this up
It was a thing I got told by everyone in my local community that this is how the LDS youth get around it. With rational gymnastics and call it "soaking." They have to sign a contract when attending BYU university that they will not engage with each other unless married. Before he moved on doing his thang, The singer to "Imagine Dragons" got expelled for engaging with his girlfriend.
Yes! I went to school with a lot of LDS kids and as long as it wasn’t vaginal it wasn’t “sex”….like nope, you’re still having sex like everyone else but ok
Tim I agree with you and witnessed that iin a freewill baptist private school. Where most of all the girls who where teens were not virgins Biblically, but becuase they didn't do it the correct way they called themselves "virgins". Also, their mouths, minds, and hearts weren't too. So dude, I agree with you. To which toxic purity culture needs to be addressed and we need to be Bibilically correct in all areas, including sex. ADONAI created sex as a covenant reafriment of love with husband and wife. Also the "girls" you mentioned are not virgins, cuase once you have sex for the first time. You are no longer a virgin. But welcome to the distorted culture we live in.
Facts
This is the truth!!
Yep and they're Technically LYING! TELL THE TRUTH IN LOVE! GOD got you fam! Thank You for your podcast!
Speak truth!!
thank you
Dang Bro! You went there; this in itself is a lot to unpack
This true i haven’t had sex but fell into some sexual things and will always be open about it I messed up as well
Truth..
Technically, virgin? No, sir, they're not virgins it's called oral and anal SEX. A virgin is someone who has not had sexual intercourse. This way of interpretation, as with many private interpretations, leads to these types of error.
That’s his message. He put “technically” in quotes. Listen again, perhaps you’ll understand what he’s saying
I’m glad more people are seeing the problems with it inside the church.
The Church is preaching what the teaching of God is. To abstain is to invoke and ask the holy spirit, allow the Holy spirit to help you to control the sin of the flesh, lust, the desires of the flesh. Which its meant to be for the marital covenant spouse. That is the teaching. To say that it's toxic purity is wrong. It's not toxic to speak to truth. The truth is to teach repentance and asking the Lord to help guide tour desires and tmdo his will not our own.
Purity is rooted in Christ. The fact that people have looked for a way around sexual intercourse to do other things does not change the fact that they have entered into the act in another way. Purity is to keep oneself from sin, not do something that gets you that feeling in another way.
Idk the church that i grew up in made it pretty clear that any kind of sex is sex. I havent been to a church that said "no vaginal sex, everything else is ok." This sounds like a tim ross issue lol
Noo virgin means no sex at all🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
Ya the hymen matters the most in toxic purity culture so 😅
The true teachings of abstaining was to show how to control self and flesh. It's got to be taught in EVERY area of life.
But at the same time, you can only abstain for so long before it has physical mental and emotional negative health effects.
@@ashleyspurling5701 is that in everything or just s3ggs
Wow, satan sure knows how to spin it 🤦
That is clear. It's biblical. My question is what are you actually saying? Can you share with us what you think is being spun? I agree with what he is saying. In college, when I was not living for the Lord, I had a woman tell me you could not have vaginal intercourse with me because she did not love me but she could perform oral sex. Likewise, I was hearing how prominent the idea was among Catholic girls in particular because it allowed them to be engage in sexual activity while remaining virgins. Being transparent, this was great news to a young man in the world looking to use women for sinful, lustful desires. The girls who did not have a conviction about intercourse could satisfy that desire and the ones who were more susceptible to oral sex to maintain their "purity" were good for that purpose. It's ugly and I'm not proud to disclose this but this is 100% exactly what was happening in my teens. I'm asking you to make your comment clear and direct so we can discuss versus speculate on what you mean.
@@denno3124 Greetings! First, let me thank you for your respectful approach in wanting to understand my post, which I will gladly elaborate on.
Since the Garden of Eden, satan has been manipulating man's (human beings) perspective in an effort to make us be in rebellion against Almighty God.
What He made (to be) good, satan came right behind Him and corrupted it. His (satan) agenda is very clear when we look at all the chaos, destruction, premature death (via its many forms) and so much lack of love, respect, godly boundaries, etc. for one another in the world.
Schools can teach how to have "responsible" sexual relations (condoms, birth control) but not biblical reasons for who (and the actual purpose) Almighty God created it for in the first place.
And let me be clear, I was not raised in a Christian home so I was worldly more than godly because I was lacked knowledge with regard to the Bible. But, had I been armed with the knowledge and understanding of it (as someone who has always been self aware), I believe I would have made a lot better decisions as a young adult.
You will not get an explaination from him...period ,because is does lack knowledge of truth.
Yep, he's been doing that ever since he tempted Havah.
Wait, wait, wait…what the girls out here doing with their feet?!?!
Since you asked... Using their feet to stroke the gents. Toxic purity is one of the greatest evils in the land.
Pastors try to use that verse from the Bible that talks about don't talk about what people do in secret.
And ignore the verse about my people perish for a lack of knowledge.
We would all be better off learning about these things the real the good and the bad from our parents and leaders, in a controlled loving safe open environment where the real can be discussed without shame.
But instead we acting like we won't get eaten by the alligator in the water if we pretend it's not there.
We say "don't tell him about that! then they going to want to go do it" And we should be saying "we need to tell them about that so they can know not to do it" rather than just fall into it because of their own sinful desires and temptation by familiar spirits in their bloodline or a monitoring spirit that found a way in through a foothold in the doorway to their hearts and minds.
Toxic purity culture isn't just abstinence. It's the promise that if you wait until marriage it will be amazing. How can you even promise that? Three years into marriage, and let me tell you...penetration isn't always possible. It's not just a myth or something people say to scare virgins into obedience...it really is a thing, and it isn't always fixable. It doesn't just kill sex, but family dreams as well. It's messed with my head. God blesses to the thousandth generation the one who loves the Lord. Like, we must really have done something wrong to not be blessed to even consumate let alone have another generation. So, yeah, even the promise of sex after marriage being "the bomb" is a part of toxic purity culture too.
I love this!! I'm glad I grew out of thinking it was okay to do everything except for actual penetration.
Yup...Facts!!! Me too...
🙌🏽🙏🏽
Preach
What episode is this??
“I am beautifully bewildered”. Such a good episode!!
@@Team_Blackledge found it thanks!!
Just follow what the scriptures say and walk in holiness. Hell will house many man made excuse makers.
I need to know which episode this is from
I think its 23 dear.
I’m beautiful bewildered “ name.
I like this
Dated a woman like that.
Waiting for the “how to be celibate” episode lol
Ummm well he didn’t say not to do it sooooooo🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️ I’m gonna guess and say we’re clear to walk that wayyyyyy😂😂🫣
Why is vaginal and clitoris bleeped out?
He's not right because virginity has one definition. Event he most strict of Islamic scholars say it's a penis entering the vagina. That's it. Sexual acts doesnt mean loss of virginity. Technically kissing someone can make you lose your virginity by this guy's failed logic. I agree there is a toxic purity culture out there but to give a new definition of something just because you feel guilt you arent a virgin is wrong. That's like someone saying murder is the same thing as hitting someone. Yes, hitting can LEAD TO murder but hitting at its essence is NOT murder.
This guy has controlled the ones who love sooth sayings therefore that has given him the oppertunity to show his split demonic personality.
Could u elaborate