How Purity Culture Led to Murder: Atlanta Spa Shootings
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- Опубликовано: 26 мар 2021
- The man who committed the murders in Atlanta is 1000% responsible for his own actions. With that being said, I think its vital to look at factors that contributed to this atrocious situation. The man cited "eliminating temptation" as a reason for his crime - so lets look at purity culture & the lie of temptation.
Another important video addressing this situation from @GodisGrey :
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I actually heard a piece of a sermon where the preacher said that married womens' bodies belong to their husbands. Um, no! Everyone's body, married or not belongs to them alone. No one else. That's just wrong .
Ye in Paul's letter to the Ephesians it says “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Saviour”. Even more scary is someone tried to use this as a defence in a rape case he thankfully is doing 5 to 10 years as the court said and I paraphrase here “that is just crazy”.
Okay.Go and kill some women because you were trying to control temptation!!
Go figure!!
"God Watches Me Poop??What a Pervert!!"-Chris Griffin"Family Guy".
@@cbair2272The wife hath not power over her own body, but the husband; and likewise also the husband hath not power over his own body, but the wife.
1 Corinthians 7:4
He lied to you.
Well,Dennis Praeger believes that "marital rape" is okay.
One night in high school I wanted to try sleeping with no clothes on but in the end I felt like I was being to sexual when all I was doing was laying there existing in my own body!
Nothing wrong with that. Sleeping naked is harmless under most circumstances. Naked in the snow is probably bad (not going to try that myself).
@@Fer-De-Lance yeah I wouldn't want to try that either!!!
I mean, I suppose that since our society isn’t used to nudity outside of sexual contexts, it makes sense that there may be people who who would see something like nude sleeping as being sexual. To that, I say there’s nothing inherently wrong with something being sexual, but also that nudity itself is only as sexual as society decides it is, and that nudity therefore is not sexual by any objective standard.
@@Fer-De-Lance why would you- in the snow!?
It makes me so happy to see Jo being so inclusive of LGBTQ+
Religion has done incalculable damage to countless people. I hope someday it will be nothing more than a footnote in history books.
I would not say that's in keeping with the spirit of Jo's channel, no matter how one interprets this incident.
Well, at the very least, I’d like to see religion become something people just personally follow, believe in, and so on without it negatively affecting how they treat those who disagree with them politically and socially. Unfortunately, that’s probably going to be difficult for many religious people.
Most of the women in the business were in their 60s, the oldest was 74 and the youngest 33. One witness said that he knocked on the door of the treatment room and and shot the people that opened the door.
It's bad enough that we do next to nothing to encourage young people to grow as well balanced human beings .But dominant forces in our culture re-enforce racism and sexism as well as downright neglect .
Thank you for continuing to discuss this. It’s incredibly healing for those of us who were raised in this strict purity culture.
Wow how did I never hear about this? This happened in my own backyard in Atlanta and I believed purity culture lies for a decade. Wow, slipped my watchful eye.
As a guy it just don’t make any sense. Yes, pretty women will make one to turn and look. But real men look away and keep moving.
Well, honestly, I think the standard to be a "real man" can be a bit higher than that even.
Criiinge
Yes, and I would also point out that gay men and lesbian women are around people of their own gender in states of undress in locker rooms and such, and even most of the conservative religions acknowledge that some are natural tempted by people of their own gender. Therefore, they should also be arguing that gay and lesbian people should only be around the opposite gender in states of undress, since they only tempted by their own gender.
In that culture, noticing a woman is considered lust. Feeling attracted is considered sin. Once you've already sinned by noticing, you might as well eat the whole tamale. 🙄
It's sick!
A real man would treat women like people regardless of their beauty
Thank you for your constant consideration of condemning the violence despite your evaluation of his reasoning. I automatically feel angry whenever anybody brings up the shooter's reasoning, because it feels like they're making excuses for him, like the cop who said, "he was having a bad day". The way you talked about this helped me step out of that frustration and take an honest look at a very real part of the equation.
This is such a tragedy. When I heard what he said his motive was, my mind immediately went to purity culture... I think race played a factor, but his twisted view of his own sexuality was the major driver in his actions. Thank you for sharing this. It's important work you are doing here Jo. 😭
I agree that purity culture was an aspect and I respectfully disagree. The reason being in listening to the various people from the AAPI communities, from my understanding alongside the need to appropriately call the actions a hate crime, this person could’ve chosen other places that would be considered to some “temptations” but the killer did not. Specifically the man who did this choose and drove distances to be in spas where Asian women worked, and targeted them. As I’m not part of the AAPI community myself, I don’t want to explain anything that I don’t have a full understanding to when it comes to being a minority I just wanted to share my thoughts. I hope they came across as how I intended.
@@mnickrowe I see your point. You're correct that he didn't choose adult bookstores or strip clubs.
@mnickrowe It's a Trajesty!!It's a Kardastrophe!!
I love you Jo, and thanks for sharing this 😭😭😪, needs to be stopped
I honestly can not imagine growing up like that. Makes me appreciate my upbringing. Not to say it was 100% perfect but I was never made to feel wrong about my thoughts and/or my body. My brother and I were both encouraged to ask questions and talk about anything that was bothering us.
The perp who committed those murders is a disgusting waste of space.
The most extreme thing I had ever done was force myself to take ice cold showers. I thought I was being extreme.
Then I heard of a man who had entered an adult bookstore with the intention of seeing a peep show or something, and ended up having a mental crisis about it and set the place on fire, I remember as much as I knew it was unhinged and how the hell could he let it get to that point, I could also dimly realize that a person could just go totally lone wolf in their thought process by taking these teachings to heart. I mean if this guy had sought counseling, I can picture the guy just thinking the counselor was the world or devil trying to lead him away from God. Scary but I can see how it could happen that way.
Telltale (atheist channel on RUclips) essentially got chased out of his town after bringing his daughters school to account for a teacher preaching at students during health class.
Love you friend. Thank you for this.
Thank you for this ❤
Thank you for this...bringing this to light will help so many people to know yhat they are not alone... it gives us a voice and possibly a path out...
Thank you for this channel, please keep speaking
I think the most heartbreaking part of this whole thing has been to see the way that law enforcement and the media has used that motive almost as a way to excuse his actions. I'm so so tired of watching murderers and rapists be excused for their actions.
I learned last night that the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled that being drunk or under the influence of drugs does not warrant a lack of ability to consent. Which means it's now perfectly legal to take advantage of drunk people and rape them.
I literally just sobbed. I don't live in Minnesota but just the fact that this is happening anywhere breaks me. It feels like we're moving backwards.
Thank you 🙏
"Follow the breadcrumbs" to see how someone could come to the conclusion that it's okay to harm others? Yeah, I wasn't raised quite so hardcore in the purity culture, but it was there. Let me tell you, the same groups that teach this kind of thing also lean HARD into the "our God is a wrathful God!" mindset too. If bad things keep happening to you, maybe you're a sinful person. So yes, there's a very clear and logical (to them) process to which a person like this guy could make the leap that he had to do what he did.
Something else that I find particularly disgusting is that, apparently, the police also took to investigating the massage parlor(s) he shot up to find out if they were offering other services, which those establishments can be known for. As someone who's fought through a puritanical upbringing and seen pretty up close how destructive such teachings can be, I've changed my views on the subject of prostitution completely. I'm 1000% (yes, thousand) pro-legalization of the "oldest profession". I mean think about that label, for a moment. Prostitution has been around for a VERY long time. It is, to me, the epitome of a victimless crime. So for the police to respond to this by, for one thing, assuming that any of the victims committed a crime themselves that may have "provoked" this response is disgusting. It really does not matter whether or not any of the places he targeted offered "happy endings".
Thank you Jo, for making these videos. I hope that you can heal and are recovering from the harmful effects of purity culture and I hope that you are having a better day. Thank you for making this content and sharing your voice with us 💜
Yeah, this is the main type of thing that bothers me about the concept of purity. Granted, I have interact with some good people who personally believe in purity and ego say that think it would be best for others, especially fellow believers, to abide by that. I really don’t care about that, so long as they don’t force it on other people. But in general, I feel that purity culture, when taken to its most extreme, can lead people to resentment, becoming incels, and other really bad things.
Purity culture. Its in the name.
I agree. I think it's the same thing as when religious/christian people say being gay is a sin and all that. Even if it stops there for them, they can be responsible for putting that message in the head of someone who will take it to the extreme and be violent toward them.
Sticker that loses its stickiness? Yup, in front of the entire congregation, our pastor brought the entire youth group up to the front of the church and had a sticker that he put on several of our shirts until it lost its stickiness and fell to the floor... 😬😬😬
Wow
yup.
yasss queen.
"SAVE YOUR URGINGS!!REMAIN A VIRGIN!!".
Hello im navod im from japan im dating someone and she told me about her past and it’s so bad about sexual assault and her ex boyfriend punched her in the face and she almost dead in that moment she’s crying all the time and she told me she want to die and hurting her self cut her hand with knife i don’t want to see she’s hurting her self. she really loves me she’s telling me she wants to get in to a relationship with but she’s brain telling everything’s unsafe. I really love her i want her to be better and i dont want to lose her but she push me back sometimes. But I’m telling her im with you don’t worry it’s all gonna be better I don’t know what to do please help me I’m begging you 🙏😓
Do you want to talk about it? Maybe I can help you
Given the experiences you've had, I can see why you're really furious about this. All groups who glom on to secondary issues , because they are simple to sell, and raise those to the level of law, need to examine themselves and count the possible cost. Wish I could add something more helpful, sorry.
This is fair and true madness is whit in the church so I understand completely. To be honest most people would be batter off whit out the teaching of the Bible.
I doubt his real motive was anything related to a desire to rid the world of temptation. That’s just a bs excuse he’s using to try to convince people he had some altruistic motive for murdering people. It’s a sorry attempt to gain a modicum of empathy from the world.
The bible clearly states shes supposed to gouge out his eyes, not harm another person. None of this makes sense. Religion is nonsense.
Ever hear of metaphors?