Nomura enters with a copy of DDD: HEEEEEYY WAAAASSSUP EVERYBODY! Do you like time travels? Of course you do. Here take some of these. And complete unnecesseraly plot twists? What a silly question, of course you like. AND TAMAGOCHIS? DO YOU LIKE TAMAGOCHIS? EVERYBODY LOVES TAMAGOCHIS. LETSMAKEAWHOLEGAMEWITHTAMAGOCHSOFHALSBDLAIGK
"I'm respecting your autonomy as an independent game by knocking, but asserting my authority over the franchise as a whole by coming in anyway!" Tetsuya Nomura is Timmy Turner's dad confirmed.
I didn't realize until after the video that this is literally an inversion of the Aqua analysis - in the debut material, Aqua's motivations had an incredibly flawed logic and was thus an unsatisfying character, but was fixed in her subsequent appearance in 0.2. Xemnas, on the other hand, had fantastically tragic motivations based on the logic of what Nobodies are/lack... only to be overwritten in 3D by reducing those masterstrokes to logical inconsistencies and thus now an unsatisfying character.
Well, to be fair, Xemnas was always planning on backstabbing the Organization and getting Kingdom Hearts to himself from all indication. There's also the fact that he intentionally made himself a Nobody in the first place, which makes it harder to sympathize with him. But he definitely lost interesting aspects of his character by becoming Baldynort's toady.
DDD managed to make sense out of the mess that was Xemnas' plan though. Let me elaborate. Xemnas: "Wow Roxas has a keyblade and it's the only one that can destroy heartless for us and complety Kingdom hearts, better force axel to kill him" "MM Sora is trying to kill us now that we almost complete our new kingdom hearts, better send what's left of my organization one by one to kill him instead of just going with everyone" "Better send Demyx to die for no reason whatsoever, I mean we still need Sora, so him dying at this point would hurt our plan ,so why would I even order Demyx to attack him? actually why did I even send anyone to attack him?" "Maybe if we kill Sora we could get Roxas again! you mean the Roxas you ordered us to kill? yeah that one!" Even more, he didn't really needed to do all the mess up crap he tried, he only needed to send someone with a keyblade to kill heartless that's it, that's literally everything he ever truly needed, no need to send his organization to other worlds and create more nobodies by making people into heartless, there were already plenty of heartless, he could have literally just asked Sora for help, it's idiotic that he even tried to manipulate him for nothing, when the heartless were already a problem he would have fighted in anyway. If something every single other nobody in the other organization except Xemnas had the whole tragedy going on, because they were tricked into doing all the mess up stuff by Xemnas, they couldn't stop to think about it because they lacked the ability to care and they genuinely thought this was the only way to be whole again. DDD managed to take out the nonsense of that, but I do get what the idea behind him was in KH2, I just think that since every single one of his actions seemed to against what he said was his goal, it just wasn't all that compelling to me as a character.
You forgot one crucial thing: the batter is the foundation for which it is all possible, blended by the implement of creation and destruction. Therefore, it's not a stretch to say that THE PANCAKE BATTER SPATULA IS THE TRUE X-BLADE.
Even though it had its flaws I feel KH3 managed to fix Xemnas character again. It made it so that Nobodies could develop hearts but made it seem as if Xemnas although he could get a heart chose rather to abandon his emotions instead. True his motivation is still lessened but I found his final moments rather interesting where he reflects on the heart and what he did and regrets throwing away the few people he could've actually cared for as comrades, truly differentiating him from his core being as a part of Xehanort. Ansem and Xemnas had become their own people too, and in the end only when it was too late did they realize their faults and the true power of the heart
Yeah no ansem can’t become his own person DID YOU FORGET HE IS THE MAIN HEART ESSENCE AND XEHANORT HIMSELF he’s literally xehanort with a name swap and no physical form until riku possession what ansem said at the end of his story still pretty much sums up xehanort when They betrayed us I found I did not care then nothing seem to matter anymore that still xehanort straight up and foreshadows xehanort end as well aka xehanort coming to terms just as his own heart did Xemnas however I give you that But thanks to DARK ROAD he still goes by the irony of still being xehanort as a new being that is remember what happened to young xehanort aka loss his friends aka his comrades So thanks to dark road they really are still xehanort main split existence essence with ansem obviously being him directly Hell DDD already explained this especially with the ansem thing And replica riku nort in KH 3 when taking about the time travel as he said xehanort went back in time as ANSEM while he left a piece of him in Xemnas Enough said
@@temporaneo617 Especially considered the fact that in khux a moogle actually crafted a keyblade (moogle O'glory) and wanted to use it but the keyblade was picky and it went into the hands of the player.
@@ameladaptivedaydreamer949 I think introducing the concept of nobodies was the turning point for the story, KH & CoM are very simple stories, just light vs darkness, I don't recall any of the OG13 members in CoM yapping about becoming "whole," only trying to make Sora their puppet, so I don't recall them being nobodies being a topic of discussion on CoM. Still, it was still manageable until Time Travel; that was sort of the last straw, I still love KH, but I'm basically just willing to accept whatever dumb twist they send our way now.
@@NigelsPad They did discuss about Nobodies in CoM. Riku asked if Vexen were with Ansem, then Vexen said "You are half correct". After that, Vexen basically said that his boss was actually Ansem's Nobody.
You guys are forgetting about Xemnas real motives, about how he swore revenge upon all keyblades for stealing his ice-cream this was hinted way back in Spider-Man 2
He's unironically the most interesting, even when you consider the plot twist in 3D. He had no emotions, not because he couldn't, but because he didn't want to. Him not having emotions was a self restraint to further his plan to make everyone xehanort by leading everyone to think they couldn't have emotions, and in KH3, when you beat him, he feels for the first time in god knows how long. And during those years, the emerging memories of his time as Terra began to push through, with no real outlet. And the first things he feel? Loneliness and regret. Not anger, not hatred, not maddened joy from how close he was to victory, none of those things. He felt dead inside. He went from someone with a clear cut purpose in life, to an obsolete heart with no purpose now that Xehanort and Terra were both alive and well. He became, for lack of better terms, a true nobody.
Yes but each Xehanort was tragic in their own way Ansem is a Heartless that knows nothing but darkness, and after traveling and fighting with Riku and others he reveals he actually was proud of their progress and no longer cares even after he discovered Vexen’s treachery which made Roxas’ Replica Xemnas: he was somewhat shaped by Terra’s sense of friendship but couldn’t feel. At his final moments he revealed he regretted treating his members as pawns, how he now felt lonely and having nothing and how he hated how painful a heart is and actually admired humans for enduring it. Young Xehanort was formerly a boy merely with the dream to be free, and see other worlds. Before he was destined to get his freedom, his other self made his dream come true early in a twisted way, he became his future Self’s herald to make the Real Organization XIII and Keyblade War happen As Woody stated he’s Hollow because he has nothing else but the ambitions of a future self that’s not his own yet, he’s still a boy that has no idea what he wants for himself. And he would be sent back to the present doomed to relive everything that’ll happen in a time loop Terranort: created from a fusion of hearts, Terra’s rage and Xehanort’s obsession warped him into becoming all those tragic figures and like Young Xehanort has nothing of his own Apparently all of those guys were sacrificed to become fragments to recreate the X-blade as well Master Xehanort: he’s curious yes, but he had to throw everything away that once meant something to him, his training world, Eraqus, Ventus as he actually once cared for him, his simple dream of freedom and exploration, his own individuality by splitting himself to make his alternative selves of the Organization, only to find out he himself was a pawn at the end with nothing left of his own
I don't know, I think Just A Pancake is a good RUclipsr, just making it above mediocre with funny dialogue and motivations. But hey at least there is absolutely no way to make his channel irrelevant now. *Kingdom Hearts 3 release approaches... slowly*
Honestly, as much as I give DDD shit for jumping the shark with the time travel stuff, I would argue that Xemnas's characterization in that game makes sense since his goals were more than just wanting a heart. He ultimately wanted kingdom hearts all for himself for power, treating his subordinates as tools for this goal. While he genuinely does want a heart, he eventually has his Xehanort-ness show thru and becomes obsessed with anger, hatred, and nothingness. This is purely speculation but I almost feel it's sort of how Terranort lost his memories and genuinely wanted to piece everything together, but when he did, that's when he became full-xehanort once more. Also, It always made sense to me that Nobodies regenerated their hearts after time? Even back in the KH2 days and especially more evident in 358/2 Days, seeing the Organization XIII members get angry, feel sympathy, and in Axel's case, ACTUALLY MAKE FRIENDS that made me heavily doubt Yen Sid's claims that "if a nobody shows emotion, they're lying." If anyone got ruined, it's Ansem SoD and how he suddenly is able to time travel only once, which by extension also ruins Young Xehanort by making him the lame time travel plot device... Yeah, I hope they tone things down greatly in KH3.
this is exactly why I think KH2 has the worst story in the series. That and the POINTLESS supplot involving the YRP fairies which exists SOLELY to give you a new keyblade (unless you don't talk to them in which case they just disappear and do nothing)
As sad as Xemnas’ story is(pre-DDD), could you imagine how heartbreaking it would be for him to regain emotions only to realize the countless that died to make his kingdom hearts?
....THAT WOULD WORK EVEN BETTER. Something out of Shakesphere...he was obsessed with feeling emotion and was willing to do evil stuff to do it. And then when he finally did get it he is Then haunted by sadness over the things he did go get them.
I did like how it was hinted that nobodies could feel emotion so I do like how xemnas real plan was to turn everyone into xehanort it does rip away his motivation but I thought it was a alright twist
He literally said before the final fight in KH2 that he wanted to open Kingdom Hearts and create a new world. Literally the same as what Ansem, Seeker of Darkness wanted.
I thought his original motivation was just to make a universe for Nobodies to live in, one where they wouldn't be destroyed by the laws of reality, and could form their own hearts. To become people like you and me. An understandable motivation considering the nature of Nobodies, but he did incredibly evil shit in pursuit of his goal. Kinda like some interpretations of Lucifer trying to usurp God, or in JRR Tolkien's mythology when Morgoth tried to create his own song to rival Eru's. Tetsuya Nomura was just SUPER vague about what the hell anything was in KH2. Like it's hard to tell just how much he intended the final result, and how much was just flying by the seat of his bezippered pants.
his original goal and intent is the same shit Xehanort wanted but that goal and plan got fucked up badly and the seeker of darkness and Xemnas both tried to do what the original wanted
KH1, KH2, BBS, The re: games. Long ago, the four nations live together in harmony, then everything got even more convoluted when 3D attacked. 6 years have passed and my sister and came across toy story and monsters inc. These disney worlds were in a game call kingdom hearts 3. If it can master all the disney worlds, it can bring balance to the story once again. Although its gameplay great, it still has alot to learn before fans can appreciate its exsitance. But one day I believe kingdom hearts 3 will change the world.
I think the two portrayals can be reconciled if you view Xigbar as the shadow leader of the Organization with Xemnas as his amnesiac puppet. Because Xigbar was the only member unconcerned with being killed while even Xemnas was horrified. You can argue that Xemnas didn’t actually know the true purpose of the Organization until being pulled from the timestream and by that time he resigned to the fact that he’s just as expendable as the lackeys he abused so he just went along with it (before the memory wiping bs at least)
To be fair, even back in KH2, let alone Days, there were plenty of hints at Nobodies having hearts. Really, I actually think Xemnas is still a good villain. Think about it like this: Nobodies can grow hearts if they are exposed to emotions, like Roxas did because of Ven's heart, and Lea because of proximity to Roxas. The Organisation was set up with every member numbered, given a new name, wearing identical clothes, living in identical rooms, told not to interact with anyone outside their group, living in a building of drab grey colours, told all their emotions are fake, that they can't feel real emotions, and that they are incomplete, non-human. The Organisation was basically a cult specially designed by Xemnas to prevent the other members from growing hearts until he could infect them all with copies of Xehanort's, possibly by growing his heart over and over, possessing each in turn. Roxas screwed that up because of Ven. There's some real psychological fuckery going on from Xemnas that makes him seem a lot more devious than he actually appeared in-game.
TaliesinMyrddin I actually agree with this comment. His true intentions were to brainwash the entire Organization XIII (except those that already knew his plans and were willing to help) into believing that they were to remain without hearts forever until they could carry out their mission to completion. He also made them all believe that their emotions were "fake" and just a product of their memories, re-enacting their time as a human. I was also never satisfied with the idea that they didn't have hearts while watching the interactions between the various members of the organization, especially the interactions between Axel, Roxas, and Xion.
A LOT of people seem to not notice that Organization XIII was pretty much a cult, with Xemnas literally worshiping Kingdom Hearts for power, and him brainwashing his followers into believing that they are merely empty shells without hearts, that any emotion they felt was just them using memories of their past life as opposed to genuinely feeling it, and that the only way to obtain a heart was to do as he ordered, with Xemnas even threatening them with death or turning them into a dusk if they disobeyed. KH2 told us that initially nobodies are created from nothing and lack hearts but DDD revealed that Xemnas never told the nobodies under him that *the heart will attempt to replace/reconstruct itself the first chance it gets* Xemnas knew all along that nobodies will eventually develop hearts naturally and withheld that fact from them, so that they could stay as empty shells for him to use as vessels. In a way the nobodies ended up falling prey to what Apprentice Xehanort originally did as experimentation as a scientist, get the heart to renounce itself. Which is also why Xemnas changed their names, to separate themselves as nobodies from their original self's.
I'm not defending the horrible writing of this series, but Axel, Saix & Xigbar have all said that xemnas has had a secret agenda he wasn't telling anyone. So I guess that counts for something...but not really.
Uhm, it was pretty clear from the game itself that Xemnas wanted different things. Nobody having emotions was also pretty clear. Axel sacrificed himself for sora and felt emotions. KH2 FM made it even more clear. He also wanted kingdom hearts and didnt care about the others.
Except Chain of Memories literally told you that Axel was genuinely enjoying himself as he went around betraying everyone, to the point even Axel says he shouldn't be feeling what he's feeling.
The explanation was that they were using their memories of their past lives to emulate emotion, Chain of Memories had Axel saying he was genuinely feeling emotion when he let Namine free he says this when Marluxia and Larxene both aren't there. then there is the unused line Xemnas says in KH2 in his final battle when he's in a suit of armor while in the dragon. _See my heart's power... Feel it... Know it... Accept it_ ruclips.net/video/1GXsT5tp0N0/видео.html
Well, he wasn't technically lying about his motivation being the need to be "complete"... he just lied about wanting any of his Organization XIII to be complete either.
Technically there were a number of lines in KH2 that implied Xemnas only cared about merging with Kingdom Hearts and creating a new world but there's still the sense that because he only remembers anger, rage and other negative emotions of the heart, maybe he wouldn't be so bad if he actually had his heart back and had a chance to experience positive emotions... Then DDD happened.
In fairness, it explains the plot holes in earlier games. Such as Roxas and Axel expressing legit emotions even though they are nobodies who couldn't feel anything if they tried.
Random Internet Surfer It might be a bit confusing,but I like the story,because there are some things I could understand after analyzing. Except BBS secret ending,that's the craziest thing of the whole franchise.
Mental Palace of Marcelo BBS Secret ending next story is in KH 2.8: BBS 0.2 If you are confused because of 0.5/0.2 stuff, BBS was considered as KH 0, because before KH 1. When you reached Secret Story, 0.5 indicates for a progress story to KH 1, same with BBS 0.2 in KH 2.8
Amurillo Reno I know that. I meant the secret ending,Blank Points (where Aqua encounters Ansem the Wise in the Realm of Darkness). The scene with Sora,Riku and Kairi Lost it's sense due to DDD coming out.
>LiviX37 The fact that Aqua knows that Riku and Sora grow up to save the world makes the emotional ending to blank points and Aqua's surprise not make sense. Replay the games or Rewatch the cutscenes and you'll see what I mean
@@zawarudo596 And it would have been so easy to not retcon it. Nomura could have just made Mickey say that he had friends helping him without saying their name.
@@spencerc4252 Which is what makes a good villian. A good villian is someone who is evil not because he is evil but because he uses questionable means or a questionable logic to solve a problem that is not evil in itself. Good Villians aren't evil just to be evil. Noone thinks of themselves as evil.
This man is evil because he likes D A R K N E S S This man is evil because he is curious And this man doesn't know why he is evil, but he is evil But this man is different (Indeed)
Alternate ending Sora: But what about your cool motivation. Xemnas: You silly goose, I was always evil! that cool motivation was the other organization members I was using them to make the God-moon
The best thing about him was that he lacked the ability to care and it was this exact thing that he was trying to fix... until his character got ruined.
Well, one can argue that his motive for obtaining the kingdom heart in 2 is not to reclaim his lost heart, but for power and immorality. So, he has always been evil, and not so "ruined" in 3D.
Don't forget turning all the members into Xehanort. Idk though. Seeing someone like Larxene turn into Xehanort sounds very weird.Does that mean he would have made her part Male? :/
DetectiveEthanaterSpiritOfBobbyFulbrightGamer I dunno. Seems like it's a case-by-case basis/depends on the person. Like, Axel/Lea didn't turn, but Saix/Isa turned. Xigbar said he is alr part Xehanort, but Marluxia seemed like he isn't.
>DetectiveEthanaterSpiritOfBobbyFulbrightGamer He wouldnt have made her part male, anatomically speaking anyway she would just have his ambitions and maybe the yellow eyes and pointy ears. She would also be the only female he is inside of though. Unless Xion is the 13th member of something. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Xehanort motivation is that he wants to get to the real Kingdom hearts and create a new world with it that fits his ideals of perfect balance between light and darkness. What makes him evil is that he's willing to kill someone he refered to as his brother, physically abuse a multiple children, sent a girl to literall hell and risk an apocalypse to do it. Eraqus thinks it's just curiosity because he didn't knew that Xehanort's investigation revealed the whole "Kingdom hearts allows you to create a new world" thing, which being fair is mentioned in a single Xehanort report so I don't blame most people for missing it. Btw the sources for Xehanort's motivations are the Xehanort reports 4-7-8.
One, the realm of darkness is not literal hell. It is more akin to the phantom zone. Two, thats the problem. You shouldn't have to find an optinal note just to fully grasp the villains motivation.
Kh1 through to 2 are incredible (yes I'm including days but only talking about story) . It's just after that the series goes off the deep end. The story comes to a fantastic, eye-watering finale after one of the most climactic, satisfying boss fights ever and all the loose ends are tied nicely (except the whole ansem is xehanort thing but that's only there to artificially make a reason for bbs to exist) I'm glad there's a voice in the kh fan community which is willing to point out the problems with the story now (and even the stuff that's weird in kh1-2) it just feels like kh fans can't take any criticism of the story and think Nomura is some writing God
Actually the fact that Nobodies can grow hearts explained an important plot hole of KH2, Chain of Memories and 358/2 Days: if Nobodies really can't feel anything because their lack of an heart, why Roxas, Axel and Xion displayed so many emotions. Not to mention about Axel going for all that trouble only for Roxas.
The way I always saw it was even Xemnas during KH2 was unaware of this all, and it was only during the time travel trips where he learned all this and inherited Xehanort's motives, but when he goes back he loses memory of that. In fact, maybe that subconsciously plays into his obsession with controlling the Keyblade in 358 Days? Just trying to rationalize.
Tbh i think 3d revealing nobodies regrow hearts actually does work in a sense. Organization XIII could already be compared to a cult, and this just drives it further home. Xemnas was effectively teaching thought stopping techniques and keeping the nobodies away from contact with other people specifically so they would remain empty shells and could be made into vessels for xehanort. It reframes him as a ruthless cult leader who doesn't really believe what he's preaching, but keeps doing it anyway because it gives him control. That isn't to say there's no reason for him to make kingdom hearts, then. ASOD and Xemnas were probably just exploring other potential avenues to manifest kingdom hearts and obtain its power without the X-blade (ansem via the final keyhole, and xemnas via the organization)
I've never played a KH game and almost everything I know about this franchise comes from this channel, but my memory is not the freshest. Why is it a bad thing for a Nobody to have a heart when the Heartless also exist?
The names are reversed when you think of them literally, but figuratively they make sense... Heartless are made out of abadoned hearts, but they're called heartless bc they behave like mindless "killing" machines, their only goal being to take other hearts. Nobodies are actually ONLY bodies, devoid of any heart (and thus no emotion). They're called Nobody in the sense that they are no one. Since they have no heart to be swayed by either light of dark, they aren't welcomed into either realm & are considered pointless by both sides.
I think the reason for the weird naming was the dev team's non-native English skills. They saw "heart" and "body" in both words and realised it also works figuratively and were like "haha nice" but didn't realise the literal interpretations make them sound incorrect
I always though Xemnas wanted to destroy everything and create a new world because of his distorted view of the heart. Since Xemnas is a nobody, he couldn't comprehend feelings, he never knew there was more to the heart than just anger and hate. Actually all the villains up to DDD had their own goals and desires. In BBS Xehanort wanted to create the "X-blade' because it was the "ultimate weapon" forged by darkness and light according to legend from the previous Keyblade war. In the original Kingdom Hearts Ansem wanted absolute darkness because that's how he thought everything was before the worlds were created and want everything thing to return back to the darkness. Now after DDD everyone is just a Xehanort with the same goal and character. How did Xehanort persuade all these different characters with different goals from different times? Why "13" darknesses and "7" lights? How is this story more of a cluster fuck then it was before?
ShockinglyBleh Because Xehanort goal since the start has always been to recreate the X-Blade, which would have triggered the Keyblade War, and that's what Xehanort wanted: to see what would happen after. Even Ansem SoD and Xemnas had the same goal. Ansem SoD wanted to let darkness swallow the worlds in order to reunite the 13 original darknesses and make them clash with the 7 princess of heart, ergo the 7 lights, while Xemnas wanted to create a fake Kingdom Heart and fuse the other members to it so that all the other could receive his heart and become Xehanort, ergo the 13 SoD. Why 13 darkness and 7 lights? Because that's how many parts the original X-Blade shattered after being destroyed during the Keyblade War.
But isn't it already heavily implied that they could grow/have hearts given the actions of Axel, Roxas, and Xion. Sure you could argue Roxas only does so because he has Ventus' heart within him and Sora, and you could prob say the same for Xion too, but then what about Axel? :v
It was originally stated that they could only mimic the emotions they could remember; they couldn't actually _feel_ said emotions. Roxas was a special case since he already had a heart, and Xion wasn't even a real Nobody.
And yet, Axel kind of ruins that. Either we go with DDD's explanation and Axel's sorrow and grief over Roxas' decision to abandon the Organization was genuine, or we stick to the idea that Nobodies don't have hearts, which opens up a new problem: if it's just pretend, why does Axel get so worked up about Roxas leaving? He shouldn't care about what Roxas does outside of killing Heartless, but he absolutely does. If it's just pretend, then how hard is he pretending to make it clear that he feels that way? I mean, he'd essentially be pretending hard enough to actually feel that way, which would render staying in the Organization to be almost entirely pointless. Also, let's be real: if each member of Org. XIII was entirely emotionless, they'd be super boring.
Gotta agree with Anastasia here, Axel is practically defining proof that Nobodies have some semblance of a heart and that it wasn't just pulled out of the air in DDD. There's no reason at all for him to go through all of that trouble just to pretend he cared about Roxas.
I guess that's true. If I remember correctly, it was during Chain of Memories that was when this sort of thing was hinted at, since Axel noticed he was legitimately enjoying himself after freeing Namine.
Oh come on, it was obvious in KH2 that he was just using the rest of the organization for his own goals, and that his goals weren't what they seemed. Pretty much everyone in the Organization knew this, and that's why there were so many traitors.
There was 2...only 2 marluxia and larxene no one else, vexen was only after completing his research (for malicious reasons not the bs 3 says) and axel got rid of him because he was giving to much away, and zexion was eliminated to tie up lose ends.
I fucking despise DDD so much for this. One of my favorite scenes in all of Kingdom Hearts is when Sora asks xemnas if he remembers any emotions other then anger and hate and his response is simply "unfortunately... I don't". It's so obvious how much he wants to be whole again but he just doesn't know any other way other then through the power of kingdom hearts.
Игры
If people kept on calling me Mansex I'd be evil too.
How about Xesnam?
- King - "Also, my name spelled backwards is Man-
And I'm dead."
Actually woke comment right here
Well mansex is the best kind ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
"Curse you Nomura!"
This was made as an excuse to zoom in on his face
[Xemnas' face intensifies]
Zoomed in on his beautiful face
What a well-made excuse my good pancake 👏👏
Just a Pancake We really need a format like that again please, like RIP VEXEN 😂
Yamete
I think liking darkness is a pretty good motivation thanks nomura
Ok i agree with you
Light is overrated anyway
Understandable,have a nice day
yeah it's a great motive
okay edgy
Did someone say ruining something? *DDD breaks down door with battering ram.
Michdie:TheRogueSimulator *Screaming: Oh yeah!!*
Nomura enters with a copy of DDD: HEEEEEYY WAAAASSSUP EVERYBODY! Do you like time travels? Of course you do. Here take some of these. And complete unnecesseraly plot twists? What a silly question, of course you like. AND TAMAGOCHIS? DO YOU LIKE TAMAGOCHIS? EVERYBODY LOVES TAMAGOCHIS. LETSMAKEAWHOLEGAMEWITHTAMAGOCHSOFHALSBDLAIGK
Nomura: It's all connected to the box. I assure you.
"I'm respecting your autonomy as an independent game by knocking, but asserting my authority over the franchise as a whole by coming in anyway!"
Tetsuya Nomura is Timmy Turner's dad confirmed.
+Knight Of ANGUISH Okay, I believe you
*A wholesome villain.*
AAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I GET IT
lmao
*KEYBLADE*
Oh wait wrong villain
*DARKNESS*
There we go
*CHI BLADE* *
No. For Xemnas its *NOTHING*
Nothingness is eternal
No it's Darkness. He is the new Ansem now.
I would say *YAMETE* but ok
I didn't realize until after the video that this is literally an inversion of the Aqua analysis - in the debut material, Aqua's motivations had an incredibly flawed logic and was thus an unsatisfying character, but was fixed in her subsequent appearance in 0.2. Xemnas, on the other hand, had fantastically tragic motivations based on the logic of what Nobodies are/lack... only to be overwritten in 3D by reducing those masterstrokes to logical inconsistencies and thus now an unsatisfying character.
Well, to be fair, Xemnas was always planning on backstabbing the Organization and getting Kingdom Hearts to himself from all indication. There's also the fact that he intentionally made himself a Nobody in the first place, which makes it harder to sympathize with him. But he definitely lost interesting aspects of his character by becoming Baldynort's toady.
KINGDOM HEARTS... FILL ME WITH THE POWER OF NOMURA...
But Nobodies having hearts was the only point of Days existing as a title in the series. This isn't some asspull that DDD gave us.
DDD managed to make sense out of the mess that was Xemnas' plan though.
Let me elaborate.
Xemnas: "Wow Roxas has a keyblade and it's the only one that can destroy heartless for us and complety Kingdom hearts, better force axel to kill him"
"MM Sora is trying to kill us now that we almost complete our new kingdom hearts, better send what's left of my organization one by one to kill him instead of just going with everyone"
"Better send Demyx to die for no reason whatsoever, I mean we still need Sora, so him dying at this point would hurt our plan ,so why would I even order Demyx to attack him? actually why did I even send anyone to attack him?"
"Maybe if we kill Sora we could get Roxas again! you mean the Roxas you ordered us to kill? yeah that one!"
Even more, he didn't really needed to do all the mess up crap he tried, he only needed to send someone with a keyblade to kill heartless that's it, that's literally everything he ever truly needed, no need to send his organization to other worlds and create more nobodies by making people into heartless, there were already plenty of heartless, he could have literally just asked Sora for help, it's idiotic that he even tried to manipulate him for nothing, when the heartless were already a problem he would have fighted in anyway.
If something every single other nobody in the other organization except Xemnas had the whole tragedy going on, because they were tricked into doing all the mess up stuff by Xemnas, they couldn't stop to think about it because they lacked the ability to care and they genuinely thought this was the only way to be whole again.
DDD managed to take out the nonsense of that, but I do get what the idea behind him was in KH2, I just think that since every single one of his actions seemed to against what he said was his goal, it just wasn't all that compelling to me as a character.
Anthony Saylor think you just don’t get kingdom hearts and it’s purpose.
This channel is the number one source for both analyzing villains motives and unnecessarily zooming in on faces.
True true
*necessarily zooming in on faces.
*_Okay, I believe you. (Zooming in on face)_*
"Xemnas is a good villian."
Understandably have a nice day.
INDOOGILY!
*OK...*
*I BELIEVE YOU!*
Xemnas WAS a good villain
Thanks DDD
Fatality is that you?
Xemnas: "A heart is just pain."
Sora: "Pain is being human, Xemnas."
Xemnas: "OK I BELIEVE YOU."
Yamete
honestly he can just do ASMR and most people probably wouldn't have the will to try lifting a finger against him.
So kingdom heart is basically
just a Pancake
The pancake is the plot. The Syrup is the Disney. And the butter is the mindfuckery.
You forgot one crucial thing: the batter is the foundation for which it is all possible, blended by the implement of creation and destruction.
Therefore, it's not a stretch to say that THE PANCAKE BATTER SPATULA IS THE TRUE X-BLADE.
Oh, am I mistaken? I thought I heard something about delicious pancakes.
Even though it had its flaws I feel KH3 managed to fix Xemnas character again. It made it so that Nobodies could develop hearts but made it seem as if Xemnas although he could get a heart chose rather to abandon his emotions instead. True his motivation is still lessened but I found his final moments rather interesting where he reflects on the heart and what he did and regrets throwing away the few people he could've actually cared for as comrades, truly differentiating him from his core being as a part of Xehanort. Ansem and Xemnas had become their own people too, and in the end only when it was too late did they realize their faults and the true power of the heart
Yeah no ansem can’t become his own person DID YOU FORGET HE IS THE MAIN HEART ESSENCE AND XEHANORT HIMSELF he’s literally xehanort with a name swap and no physical form until riku possession
what ansem said at the end of his story still pretty much sums up xehanort when They betrayed us I found I did not care then nothing seem to matter anymore that still xehanort straight up and foreshadows xehanort end as well aka xehanort coming to terms just as his own heart did
Xemnas however I give you that
But thanks to DARK ROAD he still goes by the irony of still being xehanort as a new being that is remember what happened to young xehanort aka loss his friends aka his comrades
So thanks to dark road they really are still xehanort main split existence essence with ansem obviously being him directly
Hell DDD already explained this especially with the ansem thing
And replica riku nort in KH 3 when taking about the time travel as he said xehanort went back in time as ANSEM while he left a piece of him in Xemnas
Enough said
"My first surge of emotion in years... for as long as I can remember... and it's loneliness."
That shit actually kinda messed me up. I wasn't expecting him to respond like that
His death in KH3 was pretty sad. Reminded me of his KH2 character
*claps*
You're a douche
his famous last words in kh2 UUUUUUUUUUEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHH
N O T H I N G N E S S W I T H I N N O T H I N G N E S S
BetoXeto D R E A M W I T H I N D R E A M
Nothing within Nothing.
THE LIGHT OF DARKNESS AND DARKNESS OF LIGHT
K E Y B L A D E W I T H I N K E Y B L A D E
We know who the true mastermind villains are though.
Moogles.....
Master of Masters?
3 Moogles in a Black coat
Now this is a theory I can get behind
@@temporaneo617 Especially considered the fact that in khux a moogle actually crafted a keyblade (moogle O'glory) and wanted to use it but the keyblade was picky and it went into the hands of the player.
I'm still confused as to how there are moogle nobodies like the shopkeeper in 358/2 Days, Xgom (or Xomg if you want to be cringe about it).
"Thanks Nomura" pretty much sums up every single story decision Nomura has made since KH2
You mean after KH2
@Adr Lulu Nah, just after 2
@Adr Lulu This whole series was a mistake from the beginning....... Still fun games when you look away from the convoluted story :D
@@ameladaptivedaydreamer949 I think introducing the concept of nobodies was the turning point for the story, KH & CoM are very simple stories, just light vs darkness, I don't recall any of the OG13 members in CoM yapping about becoming "whole," only trying to make Sora their puppet, so I don't recall them being nobodies being a topic of discussion on CoM.
Still, it was still manageable until Time Travel; that was sort of the last straw, I still love KH, but I'm basically just willing to accept whatever dumb twist they send our way now.
@@NigelsPad They did discuss about Nobodies in CoM.
Riku asked if Vexen were with Ansem, then Vexen said "You are half correct". After that, Vexen basically said that his boss was actually Ansem's Nobody.
You guys are forgetting about Xemnas real motives, about how he swore revenge upon all keyblades for stealing his ice-cream
this was hinted way back in Spider-Man 2
He's unironically the most interesting, even when you consider the plot twist in 3D. He had no emotions, not because he couldn't, but because he didn't want to. Him not having emotions was a self restraint to further his plan to make everyone xehanort by leading everyone to think they couldn't have emotions, and in KH3, when you beat him, he feels for the first time in god knows how long. And during those years, the emerging memories of his time as Terra began to push through, with no real outlet.
And the first things he feel? Loneliness and regret. Not anger, not hatred, not maddened joy from how close he was to victory, none of those things.
He felt dead inside.
He went from someone with a clear cut purpose in life, to an obsolete heart with no purpose now that Xehanort and Terra were both alive and well. He became, for lack of better terms, a true nobody.
Yes but each Xehanort was tragic in their own way
Ansem is a Heartless that knows nothing but darkness, and after traveling and fighting with Riku and others he reveals he actually was proud of their progress and no longer cares even after he discovered Vexen’s treachery which made Roxas’ Replica
Xemnas: he was somewhat shaped by Terra’s sense of friendship but couldn’t feel. At his final moments he revealed he regretted treating his members as pawns, how he now felt lonely and having nothing and how he hated how painful a heart is and actually admired humans for enduring it.
Young Xehanort was formerly a boy merely with the dream to be free, and see other worlds. Before he was destined to get his freedom, his other self made his dream come true early in a twisted way, he became his future Self’s herald to make the Real Organization XIII and Keyblade War happen
As Woody stated he’s Hollow because he has nothing else but the ambitions of a future self that’s not his own yet, he’s still a boy that has no idea what he wants for himself. And he would be sent back to the present doomed to relive everything that’ll happen in a time loop
Terranort: created from a fusion of hearts, Terra’s rage and Xehanort’s obsession warped him into becoming all those tragic figures and like Young Xehanort has nothing of his own
Apparently all of those guys were sacrificed to become fragments to recreate the X-blade as well
Master Xehanort: he’s curious yes, but he had to throw everything away that once meant something to him, his training world, Eraqus, Ventus as he actually once cared for him, his simple dream of freedom and exploration, his own individuality by splitting himself to make his alternative selves of the Organization, only to find out he himself was a pawn at the end with nothing left of his own
I agree. Pre-DDD Xemnas was the best. Although he was part of Xehanort, he was completely his own thing. Now he's just a depressed, breathy Ansem.
3d messed him up and then kh3 just kinda destoryed him
I actually think kh3 picked up what was left of his kh2 character.
Xemnas is unironically the best villain, especially after KHIII.
That sexy voice.
OK I BELIEVE YOU
Joshua Veneros Pommier Okay *WE* believe you
"You're wrong! I know now, without a doubt, Kingdom Hearts... Is a mediocre at best RUclipsr!"
Ezriah Black Is a mediocre
AH.. ugh... . Memes...
*Dead
I don't know, I think Just A Pancake is a good RUclipsr, just making it above mediocre with funny dialogue and motivations. But hey at least there is absolutely no way to make his channel irrelevant now.
*Kingdom Hearts 3 release approaches... slowly*
Donnel Waddle Dee
No u
Medicore... but why?
*fades into the comment section*
Honestly, as much as I give DDD shit for jumping the shark with the time travel stuff, I would argue that Xemnas's characterization in that game makes sense since his goals were more than just wanting a heart. He ultimately wanted kingdom hearts all for himself for power, treating his subordinates as tools for this goal. While he genuinely does want a heart, he eventually has his Xehanort-ness show thru and becomes obsessed with anger, hatred, and nothingness. This is purely speculation but I almost feel it's sort of how Terranort lost his memories and genuinely wanted to piece everything together, but when he did, that's when he became full-xehanort once more.
Also, It always made sense to me that Nobodies regenerated their hearts after time? Even back in the KH2 days and especially more evident in 358/2 Days, seeing the Organization XIII members get angry, feel sympathy, and in Axel's case, ACTUALLY MAKE FRIENDS that made me heavily doubt Yen Sid's claims that "if a nobody shows emotion, they're lying."
If anyone got ruined, it's Ansem SoD and how he suddenly is able to time travel only once, which by extension also ruins Young Xehanort by making him the lame time travel plot device... Yeah, I hope they tone things down greatly in KH3.
Warp Diver Sorry I don’t speak Spanish.
The New SHIT Podcast huh?
Watch sora's grand adventure.
Time travel stuff is almost inesistent and Xemnas’ character is mostly the same until the end
this is exactly why I think KH2 has the worst story in the series. That and the POINTLESS supplot involving the YRP fairies which exists SOLELY to give you a new keyblade (unless you don't talk to them in which case they just disappear and do nothing)
As sad as Xemnas’ story is(pre-DDD), could you imagine how heartbreaking it would be for him to regain emotions only to realize the countless that died to make his kingdom hearts?
....THAT WOULD WORK EVEN BETTER.
Something out of Shakesphere...he was obsessed with feeling emotion and was willing to do evil stuff to do it. And then when he finally did get it he is Then haunted by sadness over the things he did go get them.
Oh you're definitely gonna like KH3
@@Talia_Vantas Exactly xD
Hi Nostradamus
@@Talia_Vantas you say that as if it actually happens (or your being sarcastic)
I did like how it was hinted that nobodies could feel emotion so I do like how xemnas real plan was to turn everyone into xehanort it does rip away his motivation but I thought it was a alright twist
Rip away his motivation? You mean his motivation to open up Kingdom Hearts? Which all of them were trying to accomplish from the start. lol
His original motivation was to make himself whole again boi
He literally said before the final fight in KH2 that he wanted to open Kingdom Hearts and create a new world. Literally the same as what Ansem, Seeker of Darkness wanted.
I thought his original motivation was just to make a universe for Nobodies to live in, one where they wouldn't be destroyed by the laws of reality, and could form their own hearts. To become people like you and me. An understandable motivation considering the nature of Nobodies, but he did incredibly evil shit in pursuit of his goal. Kinda like some interpretations of Lucifer trying to usurp God, or in JRR Tolkien's mythology when Morgoth tried to create his own song to rival Eru's. Tetsuya Nomura was just SUPER vague about what the hell anything was in KH2. Like it's hard to tell just how much he intended the final result, and how much was just flying by the seat of his bezippered pants.
his original goal and intent is the same shit Xehanort wanted but that goal and plan got fucked up badly and the seeker of darkness and Xemnas both tried to do what the original wanted
just a Pancake is the best kh villian
Johnny is the best KH villain lol.
NANI
Za Warudo
Say Nani.
Now say Johnny.
Pancake is the villain we Need.
The villain we Deserve.
No, I am not going to make a Mansex joke
Shawn GD but I will
Xemnas loves mansex...
don't worry I will see myself out now....
Your number of likes is a sex joke tho 😂
Indeed
Xemnas is cool and all, but does he know what Kingdom Hearts actually is?
Luke McLellan Obviously lol.
Nobody knows what it is. It could be Sora's mom at this point
Plot twist; Soras dinner was Kingdom Hearts all along!
What is Kingdom Hearts?
_Does not compute, does not compute, system shut down.
Luke McLellan I mean, do you?
When the camera zoomed in on each of his expressions, I felt that.
Ansem: *DARKNESS* Master Xehanort: *X~BLADE* Now what's Xemnas's catchphrase? *NOTHING*
Figures
Hearts Nothing Nothingness Darkness Hearts
*NOTHINGNESS WITHIN NOTHINGNESS*
Xemnas: INDEEEEEDDD
I can’t believe I had an IHOP pancake ad before this video.
KH1, KH2, BBS, The re: games. Long ago, the four nations live together in harmony, then everything got even more convoluted when 3D attacked. 6 years have passed and my sister and came across toy story and monsters inc. These disney worlds were in a game call kingdom hearts 3. If it can master all the disney worlds, it can bring balance to the story once again. Although its gameplay great, it still has alot to learn before fans can appreciate its exsitance. But one day I believe kingdom hearts 3 will change the world.
DSoulA3 change the world? sounds like maverick talk to me.
That Nobody XD
The realm of gameplay also needs balancing
Dude he is talking about avatar the last air bender. Shame to everyone who didn't notice...
Dupe sap this guy gets it.
I think the two portrayals can be reconciled if you view Xigbar as the shadow leader of the Organization with Xemnas as his amnesiac puppet. Because Xigbar was the only member unconcerned with being killed while even Xemnas was horrified. You can argue that Xemnas didn’t actually know the true purpose of the Organization until being pulled from the timestream and by that time he resigned to the fact that he’s just as expendable as the lackeys he abused so he just went along with it (before the memory wiping bs at least)
To be fair, even back in KH2, let alone Days, there were plenty of hints at Nobodies having hearts.
Really, I actually think Xemnas is still a good villain. Think about it like this: Nobodies can grow hearts if they are exposed to emotions, like Roxas did because of Ven's heart, and Lea because of proximity to Roxas.
The Organisation was set up with every member numbered, given a new name, wearing identical clothes, living in identical rooms, told not to interact with anyone outside their group, living in a building of drab grey colours, told all their emotions are fake, that they can't feel real emotions, and that they are incomplete, non-human.
The Organisation was basically a cult specially designed by Xemnas to prevent the other members from growing hearts until he could infect them all with copies of Xehanort's, possibly by growing his heart over and over, possessing each in turn. Roxas screwed that up because of Ven.
There's some real psychological fuckery going on from Xemnas that makes him seem a lot more devious than he actually appeared in-game.
TaliesinMyrddin I actually agree with this comment. His true intentions were to brainwash the entire Organization XIII (except those that already knew his plans and were willing to help) into believing that they were to remain without hearts forever until they could carry out their mission to completion. He also made them all believe that their emotions were "fake" and just a product of their memories, re-enacting their time as a human.
I was also never satisfied with the idea that they didn't have hearts while watching the interactions between the various members of the organization, especially the interactions between Axel, Roxas, and Xion.
A LOT of people seem to not notice that Organization XIII was pretty much a cult, with Xemnas literally worshiping Kingdom Hearts for power, and him brainwashing his followers into believing that they are merely empty shells without hearts, that any emotion they felt was just them using memories of their past life as opposed to genuinely feeling it, and that the only way to obtain a heart was to do as he ordered, with Xemnas even threatening them with death or turning them into a dusk if they disobeyed.
KH2 told us that initially nobodies are created from nothing and lack hearts but DDD revealed that Xemnas never told the nobodies under him that *the heart will attempt to replace/reconstruct itself the first chance it gets* Xemnas knew all along that nobodies will eventually develop hearts naturally and withheld that fact from them, so that they could stay as empty shells for him to use as vessels.
In a way the nobodies ended up falling prey to what Apprentice Xehanort originally did as experimentation as a scientist, get the heart to renounce itself. Which is also why Xemnas changed their names, to separate themselves as nobodies from their original self's.
You guy's should watch frustrated Jacobs video on the matter. He goes into depth why that logic is incredibly.
Kye Dysarthria Would it be possible for you to leave a link? I am interested
+Kye Dysarthria Um... incredibly what? Flawed? Sound? Okay? Bagels?
So Aqua sucked Xemnas' development and became interesting while he got boring?
Interesting.
DreamOfTheRebel Aqua sucked Xemnas' what now????
I think I said development but rereading my original comment I can see why your mind would go there.
Seeing how obsessed Xemnas seems to be on Aqua I'm pretty sure he wouldn't mind Aqua sucking him off.
He was only obsessed with her armor. Maybe he is an armorophile.
+DreamOfTheRebel lol
Xemnas just gives off evil/mysterious vibes and has such an ethereal kind of presence that I don't even question why he's doing what he's doing
"Nobodies can have hearts but that doesn't matter for me because mine is already been taken over by Xehanort again." What a necessary plot twist.
Thank Mr. Xemnas 4 being wholesome
This is why my headcanon is that the whole "nobodies can grow hearts" thing never happened. That makes things much better.
“Thanks Nomura.”
>KH in a nut shell
I'm not defending the horrible writing of this series, but Axel, Saix & Xigbar have all said that xemnas has had a secret agenda he wasn't telling anyone. So I guess that counts for something...but not really.
Uhm, it was pretty clear from the game itself that Xemnas wanted different things. Nobody having emotions was also pretty clear. Axel sacrificed himself for sora and felt emotions. KH2 FM made it even more clear. He also wanted kingdom hearts and didnt care about the others.
Except they already had an explanation for their emotions with them remembering their past lives.
Except Chain of Memories literally told you that Axel was genuinely enjoying himself as he went around betraying everyone, to the point even Axel says he shouldn't be feeling what he's feeling.
@@meteornome2556 again, they already had an explanation for that.
The explanation was that they were using their memories of their past lives to emulate emotion, Chain of Memories had Axel saying he was genuinely feeling emotion when he let Namine free he says this when Marluxia and Larxene both aren't there. then there is the unused line Xemnas says in KH2 in his final battle when he's in a suit of armor while in the dragon.
_See my heart's power... Feel it... Know it... Accept it_
ruclips.net/video/1GXsT5tp0N0/видео.html
Well, he wasn't technically lying about his motivation being the need to be "complete"... he just lied about wanting any of his Organization XIII to be complete either.
Xemnas: _"us Nobodies can have Hearts."_
Also Xemnas: _"I don't need Hearts. I shal scatter them all to the winds!"_
Thanks Nomura for giving us such a good plot twist that makes every other game predetermined and thus no one has free will.
Nobodies have no hearts...
KH:DDD - Nobodies CAN have hearts...removing the ONE DEFINING TRAIT of a Nobody
Technically there were a number of lines in KH2 that implied Xemnas only cared about merging with Kingdom Hearts and creating a new world but there's still the sense that because he only remembers anger, rage and other negative emotions of the heart, maybe he wouldn't be so bad if he actually had his heart back and had a chance to experience positive emotions... Then DDD happened.
Knock knock
Who's there
Nomura
Nomura who
Nomura this nonsense
,🤣
💀
And he has the most powerful voice I heard ever with exception of Kratos´ voice from God of War
In fairness, it explains the plot holes in earlier games. Such as Roxas and Axel expressing legit emotions even though they are nobodies who couldn't feel anything if they tried.
Kingdom Hearts,so weird...I'm starting to regret this.
SuperSmashFan3303 I know,that was the joke.
SuperSmashFan3303 but it ain't that good from a story point though.
Random Internet Surfer It might be a bit confusing,but I like the story,because there are some things I could understand after analyzing.
Except BBS secret ending,that's the craziest thing of the whole franchise.
Mental Palace of Marcelo BBS Secret ending next story is in KH 2.8: BBS 0.2
If you are confused because of 0.5/0.2 stuff, BBS was considered as KH 0, because before KH 1. When you reached Secret Story, 0.5 indicates for a progress story to KH 1, same with BBS 0.2 in KH 2.8
Amurillo Reno I know that. I meant the secret ending,Blank Points (where Aqua encounters Ansem the Wise in the Realm of Darkness). The scene with Sora,Riku and Kairi Lost it's sense due to DDD coming out.
Thanks Nomura.
Always pulling bullshit out of nowhere.
Also did I mention that blank points is now ruined?
Blank Points was basically invalidated, the whole kazoo got retcon'd. All to explain why Mickey didnt have a shirt that one time...
Nomura only answers the questions that really matter, can't why to find out why Sora wears big shoes in KH3
>LiviX37
The fact that Aqua knows that Riku and Sora grow up to save the world makes the emotional ending to blank points and Aqua's surprise not make sense.
Replay the games or Rewatch the cutscenes and you'll see what I mean
@@zawarudo596 And it would have been so easy to not retcon it. Nomura could have just made Mickey say that he had friends helping him without saying their name.
aqua sucks
But I'm still curious what is Yen Sid's name spelled backwards.
In a nutshell: "Thanks Nomura."
Well seeking knowledge and going about in a psychotic way does make Master Xehanort a good villain.
@@spencerc4252 Which is what makes a good villian. A good villian is someone who is evil not because he is evil but because he uses questionable means or a questionable logic to solve a problem that is not evil in itself. Good Villians aren't evil just to be evil. Noone thinks of themselves as evil.
0:31
HOW is Xemnas Shrug not a meme?
This man is evil because he likes D A R K N E S S
This man is evil because he is curious
And this man doesn't know why he is evil, but he is evil
But this man is different
(Indeed)
Read the title as Xemnas is a good violin 🎻
The shit posts are getting to me...
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
*that one note of Darkness of The Unknown*
Alternate ending
Sora: But what about your cool motivation.
Xemnas: You silly goose, I was always evil! that cool motivation was the other organization members I was using them to make the God-moon
Lmao xenoblade music in the background
The best thing about him was that he lacked the ability to care and it was this exact thing that he was trying to fix... until his character got ruined.
Well, one can argue that his motive for obtaining the kingdom heart in 2 is not to reclaim his lost heart, but for power and immorality. So, he has always been evil, and not so "ruined" in 3D.
Don't forget turning all the members into Xehanort. Idk though. Seeing someone like Larxene turn into Xehanort sounds very weird.Does that mean he would have made her part Male? :/
DetectiveEthanaterSpiritOfBobbyFulbrightGamer I dunno. Seems like it's a case-by-case basis/depends on the person. Like, Axel/Lea didn't turn, but Saix/Isa turned. Xigbar said he is alr part Xehanort, but Marluxia seemed like he isn't.
>DetectiveEthanaterSpiritOfBobbyFulbrightGamer
He wouldnt have made her part male, anatomically speaking anyway she would just have his ambitions and maybe the yellow eyes and pointy ears. She would also be the only female he is inside of though. Unless Xion is the 13th member of something.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Xion doesn't exist anymore, though. Technically.
>BlueMageDanny
I doubt its gonna happen, Nomura is the King of ass pulls though. We can never be *too* sure.
Xehanort motivation is that he wants to get to the real Kingdom hearts and create a new world with it that fits his ideals of perfect balance between light and darkness.
What makes him evil is that he's willing to kill someone he refered to as his brother, physically abuse a multiple children, sent a girl to literall hell and risk an apocalypse to do it.
Eraqus thinks it's just curiosity because he didn't knew that Xehanort's investigation revealed the whole "Kingdom hearts allows you to create a new world" thing, which being fair is mentioned in a single Xehanort report so I don't blame most people for missing it.
Btw the sources for Xehanort's motivations are the Xehanort reports 4-7-8.
One, the realm of darkness is not literal hell. It is more akin to the phantom zone. Two, thats the problem. You shouldn't have to find an optinal note just to fully grasp the villains motivation.
Kh1 through to 2 are incredible (yes I'm including days but only talking about story) . It's just after that the series goes off the deep end. The story comes to a fantastic, eye-watering finale after one of the most climactic, satisfying boss fights ever and all the loose ends are tied nicely (except the whole ansem is xehanort thing but that's only there to artificially make a reason for bbs to exist) I'm glad there's a voice in the kh fan community which is willing to point out the problems with the story now (and even the stuff that's weird in kh1-2) it just feels like kh fans can't take any criticism of the story and think Nomura is some writing God
Actually the fact that Nobodies can grow hearts explained an important plot hole of KH2, Chain of Memories and 358/2 Days: if Nobodies really can't feel anything because their lack of an heart, why Roxas, Axel and Xion displayed so many emotions. Not to mention about Axel going for all that trouble only for Roxas.
The way I always saw it was even Xemnas during KH2 was unaware of this all, and it was only during the time travel trips where he learned all this and inherited Xehanort's motives, but when he goes back he loses memory of that. In fact, maybe that subconsciously plays into his obsession with controlling the Keyblade in 358 Days?
Just trying to rationalize.
My motivation is to defeat KSI, the guardian of light.
Seeker of Darkness Logan paul
*"Okay i belive you"*
Best thing about this video are the ads but not just any ads just a pancakes ads
Tbh i think 3d revealing nobodies regrow hearts actually does work in a sense. Organization XIII could already be compared to a cult, and this just drives it further home. Xemnas was effectively teaching thought stopping techniques and keeping the nobodies away from contact with other people specifically so they would remain empty shells and could be made into vessels for xehanort. It reframes him as a ruthless cult leader who doesn't really believe what he's preaching, but keeps doing it anyway because it gives him control.
That isn't to say there's no reason for him to make kingdom hearts, then. ASOD and Xemnas were probably just exploring other potential avenues to manifest kingdom hearts and obtain its power without the X-blade (ansem via the final keyhole, and xemnas via the organization)
I always really liked xemnas as a villain, especially knowing he used to be Terra, it was kinda sad. Too bad KHDDD fucking ruined it
Then III came in and revealed that ultimately he did feel remorse for what he’d done, at his dying breath anyway.
I've never played a KH game and almost everything I know about this franchise comes from this channel, but my memory is not the freshest. Why is it a bad thing for a Nobody to have a heart when the Heartless also exist?
Heartless have Hearts.
Nobodies have Bodies.
You thought it was a poem but it was me, Dio.
Yay for confusing names!
The names are reversed when you think of them literally, but figuratively they make sense...
Heartless are made out of abadoned hearts, but they're called heartless bc they behave like mindless "killing" machines, their only goal being to take other hearts.
Nobodies are actually ONLY bodies, devoid of any heart (and thus no emotion). They're called Nobody in the sense that they are no one. Since they have no heart to be swayed by either light of dark, they aren't welcomed into either realm & are considered pointless by both sides.
I think the reason for the weird naming was the dev team's non-native English skills. They saw "heart" and "body" in both words and realised it also works figuratively and were like "haha nice" but didn't realise the literal interpretations make them sound incorrect
Wow, Xemnas just became that much more tragic for me, in more ways than one.
Kingdom Hearts Melody of Memory ad...its a sign. A sign to subscribe to Just a Pancake before he returns.
0:34 I was starting to miss these excuses of yours :')
I think Nomura just writes as he goes along with no clear end goal. Maybe that is why he keeps pulling up this confusing story shit out of his ass
I think theres a lucky emblem around here.
Insert overused "Okay I believe you" comment here
*okay I️ believe you*
Okay,I trust you
Okay, WE believe you.
Youth, o Noob Gamer ok, I believe you.
Understandable. Have a nice day.
I always though Xemnas wanted to destroy everything and create a new world because of his distorted view of the heart. Since Xemnas is a nobody, he couldn't comprehend feelings, he never knew there was more to the heart than just anger and hate. Actually all the villains up to DDD had their own goals and desires. In BBS Xehanort wanted to create the "X-blade' because it was the "ultimate weapon" forged by darkness and light according to legend from the previous Keyblade war. In the original Kingdom Hearts Ansem wanted absolute darkness because that's how he thought everything was before the worlds were created and want everything thing to return back to the darkness. Now after DDD everyone is just a Xehanort with the same goal and character. How did Xehanort persuade all these different characters with different goals from different times? Why "13" darknesses and "7" lights? How is this story more of a cluster fuck then it was before?
And that's why KH 3D sucks.
ShockinglyBleh Because Xehanort goal since the start has always been to recreate the X-Blade, which would have triggered the Keyblade War, and that's what Xehanort wanted: to see what would happen after. Even Ansem SoD and Xemnas had the same goal. Ansem SoD wanted to let darkness swallow the worlds in order to reunite the 13 original darknesses and make them clash with the 7 princess of heart, ergo the 7 lights, while Xemnas wanted to create a fake Kingdom Heart and fuse the other members to it so that all the other could receive his heart and become Xehanort, ergo the 13 SoD. Why 13 darkness and 7 lights? Because that's how many parts the original X-Blade shattered after being destroyed during the Keyblade War.
Soul6 while that makes sense, it’s an incredibly contrived plot that’s just completely lame. Ruined the series for me.
kingdom heart is a good franchise.
kingdom heart is a good franchise.
*okay I️ believe you*
KEYBLADE (Kingdom Hearts is a good franchise.)
No, it's not.
KEYBLADE (Yes, it is.)
Ok, i believe you.
The number one channel for character analysis.
Thanks Nomura. Kingdom Hearts in a nutshell. Taking something that was great (KH1) and then do things with it.
I have been refreshing for days, I am excited to watch!
Glad somebody says it.
i want xemnas to encounter the lingering will and we finally see terra again with long xemnas length hair and the black cloak.
I need a playlist just for this channel tbh.
I hope wherever my bro is he knows big brother is watching.
No really, Nomura. Thanks for making Nobodies completely pointless. This totally doesn't ruin them in the previous games or anything.
But isn't it already heavily implied that they could grow/have hearts given the actions of Axel, Roxas, and Xion.
Sure you could argue Roxas only does so because he has Ventus' heart within him and Sora, and you could prob say the same for Xion too, but then what about Axel? :v
It was originally stated that they could only mimic the emotions they could remember; they couldn't actually _feel_ said emotions. Roxas was a special case since he already had a heart, and Xion wasn't even a real Nobody.
And yet, Axel kind of ruins that. Either we go with DDD's explanation and Axel's sorrow and grief over Roxas' decision to abandon the Organization was genuine, or we stick to the idea that Nobodies don't have hearts, which opens up a new problem: if it's just pretend, why does Axel get so worked up about Roxas leaving? He shouldn't care about what Roxas does outside of killing Heartless, but he absolutely does. If it's just pretend, then how hard is he pretending to make it clear that he feels that way? I mean, he'd essentially be pretending hard enough to actually feel that way, which would render staying in the Organization to be almost entirely pointless.
Also, let's be real: if each member of Org. XIII was entirely emotionless, they'd be super boring.
Gotta agree with Anastasia here, Axel is practically defining proof that Nobodies have some semblance of a heart and that it wasn't just pulled out of the air in DDD.
There's no reason at all for him to go through all of that trouble just to pretend he cared about Roxas.
I guess that's true. If I remember correctly, it was during Chain of Memories that was when this sort of thing was hinted at, since Axel noticed he was legitimately enjoying himself after freeing Namine.
This is even more sad in KH3
Gemdowner ikr
>Doesn't have the ability to care about anything
>Still cares about being whole again
🤔
Oh come on, it was obvious in KH2 that he was just using the rest of the organization for his own goals, and that his goals weren't what they seemed. Pretty much everyone in the Organization knew this, and that's why there were so many traitors.
True, but those motives were originally revealed in KH2.
There was 2...only 2 marluxia and larxene no one else, vexen was only after completing his research (for malicious reasons not the bs 3 says) and axel got rid of him because he was giving to much away, and zexion was eliminated to tie up lose ends.
I love how he makes funny video but talking about serious topics ^^
I love when you put that "im back Baby" in :D
I fucking despise DDD so much for this. One of my favorite scenes in all of Kingdom Hearts is when Sora asks xemnas if he remembers any emotions other then anger and hate and his response is simply "unfortunately... I don't". It's so obvious how much he wants to be whole again but he just doesn't know any other way other then through the power of kingdom hearts.
Xemnas might be ruined but at least they got the voice god Paul St. Peter to return as him.
"Xeman is a good villain"
John Cena: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT
Ur videos are my religion
those pics of xemnas 😂
T H A N K S N O M U R A