A Picture Of Dorian Yates
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- This video investigates the rise of Dorian Yates and the parallel emergence of the mass monster era.
Did Yates change the game, or were their other forces at play?
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Mate, these are really great videos. Bravo. I’ve been following BB for 30 years, and you manage to find photos or videos that I’ve never seen - that rarely happens. Also, love the quotes and feedback from fellow competitors. 🎉
Means a lot to get such positive feedback. I love going deep on the topics and try to dig around for those rare pics, quotes and anecdotes. Thanks again for watching!
Wow, excellent commentary.
I like the way Dorian handled himself. He knew when to quit and has set himself up well for a successful retirement.
I wasn't aware that his ascent though the bodybuilding ranks attracted so much criticism from established "titans" such as Arnold and Sergio, even Lee Labrada "chipped in" with his criticism of Dorian's tattoos. Still it didn't affect his success.
Dorian is gritty, sober in reflection and exceptional in his application.
Thanks for this episode.
His alpha stage presence was out of this world, and his persona was something new. I've always been against the mass monster era, but this video did make me appreciate his achievements, particularly as he came from nothing and did it alone.
Yeah he's an interesting guy. Marches to the beat of his own drum which I appreciate. Never had to kiss ass or play the game. He let his results do the talking and that alone deserves mad respect. The self made man might be considered a myth, but guys like Dorian are literally self-made when it comes to that paradigm. Thanks for commenting!
Well put together video, good job mate!
Thanks so much. Loved exploring this topic, so I'm happy you enjoy the end result.
Lots of hard work in this one.
The twin towers at the end was not lost on me. Dorians comments on it showed he has a poor crasp of rationality
Thanks for posting
Yes, I debated some of those frames used, simply because the reification of some of these bodybuilding legends attracts a lot of aggressive backlash if I offend someone's "hero-sensibilities".
The fact is that Dorian has made some comments over the years as a part of his journey and I don't criticise or excoriate him for saying them - especially on his road to reinvention/reawakening/individuation etc. Ideas, like knowledge, can and do evolve over time.
I think free speech should be allowed, weighed and measured in the marketplace of ideas - never censored or cancelled. It's all part of life's growth process.
Thank you for watching with an eye for detail. I sometimes put these little things in hoping people will recognise and raise them in discussion as I find the complexity of these men I cover endlessly fascinating.
@@carvedouttastone he still sticks to his ideas, he just realized that it’s better not to voice them
It's insulting to just call dorian a mass monster.he made sure his conditioning was also better than anyone else .that grainy dry granite look has never been matched since. He never sacrificed condition for size like alot of bodybuilders do.the detail in his back was so detailed and massive.he was definitely a bodybuilding specialist.he never gets credit for his smarts .if anything he sacrificed size for condition.his legs were impressive he didn't have a weak bodypart (sounds obvious but so many Mr 0 winners have poor calves)size is nothing without conditioning and proportions and dorian had it all.a great champion.
Agree with everything you said. Hopefully the video reflected those sentiments.
Can you make content on the uncrowned king Kevin Levrone
Absolute love Dorian's story and I think it's absolutely UNFAIR to say Dorian fucked up bodybuilding. He brought something new but achieved the highest level of definition and size.
Great video.
Thanks Igor! Yeah, self admittedly, I used to think Dorian messed up the game - but I was wrong and on more exploration and reflection, there were more forces at play. He simply decided to take all the variables as far as he could push them and you can't fault a high level athlete for wanting to do the same. Cheers again for the support
Still unrivaled in mass combined with grainy condition! Blood and Guts!
I agree. Set the standard and then broke the mould. Even Dorian admits that in this day and age, he probably couldn't replicate what he did then as "The Shadow". Thanks for your comment mate.
Thanks for the upload, my idol since I started bodybuilding more than 30 years ago, huge respect. His strongest muscle was his mind, the never say die or quit attitude paid huge dividends, but unfortunately came at a huge price in the form of injuries.
Lest we forget he managed to remain on top the competition of the 90s era, which have seen some of the best and the most complete physiques of all time.
Yes I was thinking of his mental fortitude - him and Arnold had that in common. Both unbreakable determination and never say die spirits. Thanks for that comment
Like to see his diet used to maintain that massive physique
Diet or vials?
His book Blood and Guts outlines his diets - offseason it was around 5000 - dieting he went down to around 3500 cals. Cheat meals were never really a thing - he apparently just ate "more" of what he deemed bodybuilding food. Crazy though to think he can gain some of that huge offseason size on a mere 5000 cals though.
Dorians toughest exercise was getting those spandex shorts on
He‘s almost like a fictional movie or comic character. Although his physique isn‘t the best when it comes to classic aesthetics, i love his personality. It just showed that the lone wolf, working in his dungeon, can achieve great things. If introverts would have a leader, it would be Yates.
Super summary of a dramatic change in bodybuildings direction.
Thanks Mark - I thought Dorian would be a notable figure to cover representing and influencing a significant crossroads of bodybuilding history. Cheers always for supporting the channel
@@carvedouttastone You could argue he was the result of the iffb pushing for bigger physique. But certainly not the cause. Ask Zane. For him , Haney beating Terrilli years prior was the start of the « mass monster »era, not Dorian. With guys like Bertil fox , Mike Christian and Haney on the rise. Gaspari was blocky , short but massive for his height. Samir fell off and the physiques like Zane at 170 pounds would just not cut it. Even Labrada at similar height was weighing 190 to be competitive.
Nahhh don't agree
The *BEST* essay on Dorian , TY
Yates criminal!
That's very high praise mate. Thanks for that awesome support and I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Good to hear some bodybuilding commentary from someone that can actually string a sentence together.
Haha thanks. Glad you appreciate the content. Some say it's too convoluted, but I'd rather pitch something that makes people think and perhaps raises more questions than answers. Cheers for the supportive comment
No problem. Clever title too.@@carvedouttastone
No one today is doing it on their own like him he had no nutritionist no guru no internet all on his own with a training partner in a tiny underground gym in Birmingham
The definition of the self made man indeed
Agree..now today the coaches have coaches lol.
I never liked Yates and never understood why he won all those Olympias. 93 was probably the only time I thought he was the winner. Otherwise, his physique was blocky and out of proportion. When people way that the Olympis is won from the back, then I wonder why we should bother training the rest of our bodies. It's a stupid excuse. It's BODYbuilding, no Backbuilding.
I did try his style of training for a couple of weeks and stopped because it was extremely boring and didn't do anything for me.
He should have never won again after tearing his arm. He always said he would only compete at his best, but he showed up OFF all the time. I don't understand why, but it seemed like he would win no matter what. I was very happy when he retired. FInally we would actually have an Olympia contest.
I did meet him and tried to talk to him at an Arnold Classic, but Yates was extremely quiet and boring.
cool story lol
I'll take a guess that your obvious disdain for him was projected in a manner that he picked up on, so he just closed shop until you went away. Seems fair.
@@matthewsmith6051 Seems to me you can't accept that someone doesn't agree with your fandom, so you badmouth them and make up things when you weren't there.
He was like that with most people. He's just a quiet a shy guy. Nothing terribly wrong with that. I've met a lot of pros. Some are outgoing and happy to meet fans. Some aren't.
And no, I don't have disdain for him. I just wasn't a big fan and didn' think he was the best. That doesn't mean I hate him.
I wasn't a big Gunter fan when I met him, but he was so cool and engaging with me and many others, that I couldn't help but totally like him. Never thought his physique was good enough to win, but the dude is completely cool and went out of his way to be friendly.
@porcupinecraig yes I understand where you're coming from. I get that Dorian was as focused as a laser beam for the years he competed, but some of the stories I read from people he brushed off, dismissed or his general stony demeanor towards fans/people/competitors, paints him as bit of a dick in those days and totally unnecessary in the scheme of things. One account I read is when "Dorian walked through the hotel lobby with his entourage of Praetorians - refusing to acknowledge the smiles, well wishes etc of people and looking straight ahead". Would it be too much to smile and wave? Would that have cost him some muscle, conditioning or a placing? He's changed today I get it - but these "stoic bros" were always the guys I hated in the gym who wouldn't look at or acknowledge anyone and thought they were the centre of the universe that the entire gym revolved around
@@carvedouttastone Except he created his own space and didn't bother being part of a crowd that he wanted to Lord it over. They didn't call him The Shadow for nothing. He doesn't owe anybody his time, so get over your own egos and deal with it.
Idiotic walking chemical plants. The 'sport' is a joke.
this is a wonderfully narrated video👌👌👌 well done ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ and thank you 👍👍👍
Thanks for the positive feedback. Check out my other vids if you want more :-)
It's so impressive how proportionate that level of mass was. The photo at 12:27 is a great example; those calves especially are unbeliveable.
Yes exactly! What strikes me looking back is how proportional and pretty god-damn aesthetic his physique was before things started breaking apart. The calves were probably some of the best I've ever seen - maybe from all that marathon running ;-)
great video mate
Wow, what a magnificent montage of DY footage and a story well told! 👏👏
Well done!
I look forward to more of your videos!
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Well written!
Thanks Joseph. Anyone you'd like to see profiled in the future, let me know.
Masterpiece of video. Congrats.
Appreciate that so much mate. I'm forever trying to improve, I still suck at the flashy technical side of presentation, but hopefully improving my story telling.
Elite video. Elite channel.
Really appreciate that Simon. Vids are a bit slow in coming out, but I'm glad people are enjoying what I do.
Just found your channel wow that was a great video I'm off to watch more and I have subscribed and liked thank you
I like Dorian Yates' thoughtful, intelligent and eloquent commentary to a variety of topics, but he is one of the main culprits that ushered body-building into the era of mass monsters(8:55 and 8:59), bubble guts and disproportioned physiques.
Both examples are off-season
Never seen your videos before but this incredible, really nice to see well written bodybuilding content. A well earned sub and ill be catching up on your catalogue over the next few days
That kind comment blows me away as I've caught a lot of negativity over this particular vid. Please explore my other videos and let me know what you think and if you have other topics you want me to cover. Glad to have you here. My subscribers are the best
I think he contributed to a change gym culture. Go into most gyms now and the biggest bodybuilder is usually always completely zoned out and completely non plus. Quite the opposite of the Arnold era where it seemed like you had to have a larger than life personality to get away with carrying excess muscle. There's never been as many gym's, but the camaraderie has long gone.
I agree. It's the viral component that's missing these days that used to make going to the gym not just a workout, but an experience you looked forward to multiple times per week.
@@carvedouttastone Young people tend to hang out in the gym more now than in the pub, at least in the UK. Only it's not a hang out.
Another top vid bro. Keep em coming
Seriously excellent content. Superb narrative.
Thanks mate. Really appreciate the kind comments. Check out some of the other vids if you like similar content
This is great work. I’ve been a Yates fan since I was a skinny 13 year old kid. We’ll done on unearthing some real gems.
i met dorian at an australian supplment store and bought his new preworkout and dvd and magazine and he signed them
Was that back in 92? I missed seeing him but caught Kevin in 93
somehwere in the late 2000s i think, he was retired, had lost all his gains. he was promoting noxpump @@carvedouttastone
A poetic masterpiece. You are the unofficial poet laureate of Bodybuilding. I returned to this video after seeing a lot about Yates. It is an excellent and thoughtful piece. I would have liked to see Labrada win and even in the small glimpse we get in this video, his proportional physique is astounding. I remember reading the 1992 Olympia report in 'Flex' and Labrada's comment about his distain for his tattoo. To be fair, and I paraphrase due to poor memory, Labrada in the same comment did say that Yates had superb legs. I respect Yates's iron will and the earlier physiques he brought to the stage. Your video serves as a cautionary tale that what can make you can also break you. Yates freely admits that he could not turn down the volume on his training because he was too locked in.
@@stind1299 I really enjoyed making this one so I'm glad it hit with a few people. It's funny because Im listening to an interview with DY on Mike Thurston's channel which just dropped now and will review it with Craig at the end of the week. I'll get back to these kind of commentary vids but they take forever as I only get one day per week to dedicate to content/writing these days. Thanks always for your awesome support and comments Stind!
Your best work yet. Amazing vid bro
That's extremely high praise and very appreciated Steve. Hopefully I did the man and the topic justice. I try to go deep and from a different angle. Too much "same-ole-same -old" content saturating the RUclipss :-) Thanks again
Fantastic commentary.
Thank you mate! Glad you enjoyed it. Check out some of my other stuff if you like.this kind of content
Another brilliant film!!!
Wasn't expecting this video, loved it 👍🏻 Been a long time fan of Yates 💪🏻 thanks
You're welcome. Yes, I'd like to do more profiles of interesting and game changing figures in the sport's history.
Amazing…speechless!
Blown away by your appreciation for my work, mate. Thanks so much for taking time out to comment.
Very well done, I am impressed by the level of script and the inclusion of thought provoking imagery.
Great journalism as always.
The “ socks “ pics in colour were mediocre at best ….. in B &W they are awe inspiring….at least they were in ‘93 ;)
Always appreciate your comments Eric. I still vividly remember seeing those pics in my 93 issue of Flex and thinking WTF. Mission accomplished on Dorian's part. :-) Thanks again for your support
@@carvedouttastone ;)
Beautifully told.
Excellent work, great documentary quality video.
Thanks for watching mate. This one feels so long ago now so I'm glad someone's still watching and enjoying it
lee hayney had the best physic ever well balances not over the top like jay cutler, ronnie,yates
He was definitely the last of the old school era classic physiques - even the new classic physiques don't have it like Haney did. Thanks for commenting
Good video 👍
Thanks buddy
You're very welcome mate. Cheers for the comment
Your channel, while I do not agree with all of your stances, is by far the most thoughtful channel on strength culture (and I mean "thoughtful" in every sense of the word). I would love to see you do Paul Anderson vs Doug Hepburn. The people person verses the introvert, the travelling evangelist vs the man who lived in the gym, and, ultimately, the strongest man in the world vs the second strongest man in the world.
Thank you for the comment and for expressing your thoughts respectfully rather than the usual "you're full of shit" remarks I get minus any counterargument 😂
I was thinking of a Tommy Kono vid...Doug and Paul are also very interesting guys, but I recently read John Fair's new book on Tommy and thought it would make for a good video.
Thanks again for the kind words - really appreciate you watching my work and giving me feedback :-)
That sounds awesome, would watch that. It's sad that we have to big folk up for a basic level of respect, but here we are@@carvedouttastone
He is still healthy in his older age unlike sadly many others
Yes he made it out the other end after a difficult transition from the sport
Truly one of the best!
Absolutely. I miss those days
Very well written
Cheers mate. Glad you enjoyed and thanks again for supporting me with a comment
Surprising he had a bit of a turtle gut back then. I thought that was a newer phenomenon.
Layed it on a bit thick for this vid, did we?
What did you not like for this one?
It's just personal taste. I can't fault it objectively.@@carvedouttastone
Very nice and informational video.
To limit is to define.
He did 1 work set to failure per exercise..the other sets were just warm ups. Obviously for naturals he advises 3 days a week training.
Indeed they were "warm-ups", but those ramping sets still have a training effect. When you're warming up for 315 or 405 etc, that's still placing a strain on your joints, ligaments, musculature and CNS
Sam Sulek comes into mind everytime I think about Yates story and spirit of the time.
Lol. 100 per cent fuck no
Where did the information stated in the beginning about the blood doping come from? I've been part of the scene since 1982 extensively and never heard anything like that. Or were you taking that from the fictional work you were also referring to with the fictional name? It's not fair to our youth to make such careless statements.
Take it from me if you stay natural granted you won't look like Dorian but then who the hell wants you to? I take Arnold's look any day and today given the advances in diet, nutrition and cutting-edge supplementation and our knowledge of how musculature developes; you CAN achieve the classic look naturally and that look any woman will prefer over the mass monster one and is what the sport is about. Its not supposed to be about druging yourself to near death defying absurdities. God bless, Jurassic Jack: Mr Mass Media x6 and Grand Elite Masters Champion x2 1991-1998 ISSA Certified Fitness Trainer/Bodybuilding Coach.
Did you listen to the video or are you just throwing out random insinuations regarding "careless statements" I've supposedly made.
@@carvedouttastone Watched and listened, though I found the opening difficult to follow given it seemed to deal with a work of art; play; writing whatever that as an American I'm not similar with nor the statements you based upon it as actually part of Dorian's true story. Instead of questioning me you need to further clarify for the many like me not familiar with this aspect and better define what's fiction and what's fact. That or shut up about it.
You can say what you want about his size etc ..but there’s still no one with that hardness and condition to this day ✌️
WHITE HOPE.. ARYAN WARRIOR
The white dope back then. But I like him now surprising how he did a 360
Very well made video!
Yates was the very best .
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Jesus chirst write a novel, and leave the hyperbolic verbiage and far fetched imagery alone already. Seriously, Clockwork Orange?
Lol you sound like you're gonna cry 😭😂
@carvedouttastone That childish reply actually proves how little substance there is beneath your over ambitious delivery. "Lol" 😅😆
@@M1tjakaramazov cool verbiage bro. Prove me wrong with your own video reply. Oh that's right - you haven't got shit except your crocodile tears 😭
Great ending - awesome video once again!
Bodybuilding is the most resource draining activity. An olympian is a product of the perfect storm comprising of genetics, desire, disposition,discipline, knowledge and resources.
Perfect storm is a good way to describe it. Maintaining the storm's fury for years to enable to end result to coalesce is also a large part of an olympian's success