The Cheater Who Ruined RuneScape's Hardest Challenge
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- RuneScape's Fight Caves were SUPPOSED to be the games hardest challenge. Until one smart player figured out an exploit to get "free" fire capes. You don't want to miss this OSRS video!
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I remember back in the day, safe spotting tzhaars using a rune halberd, while chatting with people doing their fight cave attempts. I miss those days. I'd never safe spot with a halberd nowadays, but I look back on those days fondly. Great times. I honestly miss not knowing the best/most efficient way to play the game. Everyone was much more social, mini games were popping, and nobody cared that someone was "wasting XP".
I miss those days too. :( Lumridge Castle's courtyard was always full of people just sitting around and chatting.
Timetravelling?
Yeah early internet days were amazing. A lot of games lose a lot of fun once metas set in which is just modern gaming in general nowadays.
I did 70-92 str at tzhaars with d hally and reg attack /str pots from the burthorpe. was lit. slow as hell but anime helps haha
That’s how I still play 18 years later
I remember attempting the fight caves as a noob with 43 prayer and full rune. I was ready for anything. Got my ass ended to me by a 90, didn't even get to the magers
Dude same, i went in full rune and a d long. Inv full of sharks and some super restores. At one point, i was like where is this mfer. LOL i was like 12.
Prayer pots and candies
So, I don't think this means Chrisaki ruined the fight caves. In a way he - like some bug abusers - actually helped bring to light an update riddled with errors, which was brought to Jagex's attention.
Some bug abusers....definitely have truly ruined a lot more than that.
Seeing players with the fire cape way back then was always so mesmerizing. “How long did it take?” “About 2 hours..”
Also bare in mind there was no logging in and out of waves, you were in the fight cave for 2 hours straight!
Also playing something for 2 hours straight was a long time back then too.
still took my im about 2 hours with rcb lol
But yeah, I took breaks
@@djdentonyo Very uncool
@@scott4207 it only took 2 hours if you sucked. I beat the caves with magic at lev 85cb. Back in 2006 maybe a little earlier.
Man that clip at the beginning of the dude in mystics water blasting the blob sent me back. I was a kid when fight caves came out and I didn’t fathom completing it. I’d go in and use it to train all my combat stats up to wave 30 or so- magic and melee especially. Never knew things were set in stone wave wise, so I always thought a mager would come out of nowhere and 1 shot me at any time.
Thats awesome hahah. During this video while I was getting clips, I did the same thing. Just afking in the caves gaining XP.
I was in the clan with him back in 2005 when he had the cape. He was actually in a clan called demonic empire. I actually recently reached out to some people that used to be in the clan as well and it turned out he used to date one of them which no one knew about. He was a nice guy back when I spoke to him. No idea what he’s doing now.
J1mmy's attempt on byrelease was insane enough as it is. Keep in mind he had access to a decade of worth knowledge and settled guiding him and he still barely scraped by. Can't imagine what it'd be like as a kid in 2005.
as someone who was a kid in 2005 i can tell you i never made it past the rangers
We tried, were awed by its difficulty, and gave up knowing that better players would become legends to their friends, and maybe eventually teach us how :P
This was back when every other milestone also felt extremely far off and impossible. I trained 99s in melee combat at no greater than 45-50k exp an hour at optimal best!
Because almost any extreme achievement felt a very long away, the fight caves yawning difficulty gap didn't feel unfair, it felt like something to eventually overcome like all the milestones in the game. That said I still don't have a fcape
hi chaika
@@ASDKFJ1234 mwee
@@nocturn333 I miss her...
I remember doing this back in the day, used two crystal bows where one was meant to be kept at full power and the second bow would fire the last few shots so that it would take the degradation hit. That way you'd have a 10/10 bow for most of your attacks.
Ah yes, i remember when no one knew how to play the game, it was honestly a more fun and relaxed time. You'd find out most things by word of mouth, we'd even do quests the old fashioned way.
For real I still do quests the old fashioned way
Not true
i really miss the days when it was normal to go in games blind, trading was between people and learning a close window shortcut cost you a mithril longsword
@@UltraProchy There were already people making popular guides back then and disseminating them. Their spread was literally only limited by poorer internet access.
Ya but RUclips wasn’t popular back then. In fact most RUclipsrs were drama queens. No one over 12 years old wanted to watch that shit show of a site let alone look up guides there.
If you manage to exploit safe spots like this with a reward like the Fire Cape, which can't be traded and while it makes you a bit more powerful doesn't break the game, you should be allowed to keep it. That an oversight on Jagex' part, not you breaking the game.
Yeah, maybe they could have made it into an unwearable version unless you used another firecape on it. Then you could just make people get a 2nd to prove they could do it. Also would make a super rare account if they left the fire cape unwearable to this day.
I agree. It's definitely not cheating at all and it was in no way a player ruining the fight caves. I watched this entire video waiting for the part where someone cheated. Nope. Just a bug in the game.
Yeah, not a cheat at all. even today, OSRS is stuffed with safe spots. I used one to train my ranged on a scorpion in Al kharid. There's a triangle of bushes you can lure it into that it can't get back out of if you stand on the north side.
imo for it to be a cheat, they'd have to be literally injecting code to get the item, not using the own game's oversighted mechanic to their advantage. That's just cheesing.
@@mr.messofgeorgia
You make a fair point to an extent and I agree somewhat however to play devil's advocate this isn't the same thing as luring a scorpion behind some bushes or safe spotting being an oversighted game mechanic. This is breaking NPC aggression and nulling the NPC entirely. 10:43 you can see it is not only within range but within path to hit him but is not even aggressive to him because it is in a state of returning. Similar to how when you run away from an NPC and it drops aggro then returning to it's area. Only here it cannot find the pathing to return and returning has prio. That is what was being done by luring it away from Italy Rock. This is exploitation and against the games rules. Broke the fight caves entirely because they were using this lure method to null most of the waves.
They could have given 2nd different coloured fire cape after they fixed the safe spot.
Impaler99 here, writer of original guide and second fire cape acquired - Funny to realize how many people I got killed with that little bit of poor wording, but I assumed people would not be in melee range of Jad. XD Appreciate the shout outs! Great video my man!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video! :)
To clear up some of the bit about the clan mentioned, Imperial Forces - I was in the clan at the time (refer to my youtube name). As far as I'm aware the person who played the account at that time was not the person who got the original fire cape - i.e. gave the account away to someone else. This was 13-14 years ago or more, so my memory is a bit spotty, but this is what I recall. I think he may have turned up to one clan war, but again, not the same person. Nice to feature briefly in your video though! (lol)
Bro I'm watching this at work and burst out laughing at the Caramelldansen edit. Love you.
Ranger boots? 500K? Take me back to the good days.
Rangerboots were actually a few mil, between 3-5mil. And the ranger hat was about 25 mil. Fury was closer to 15 mil, and Guthans was way pricier than that, 9 mil was the price after a while. When it first came out it was closer to 30
@@trl2151 I've had 3 ranger hats from clues and sold each for under 2m.
I remember doing this with karils bow and black d hide back in the day I was bumping Linkin Park while doing it and I got my first cape that way it was so EPIC! it felt like when I beat inferno just recently pure dopamine adrenaline at the end ahah miss those days :( Evolution Of Combat was the end for me....until OSRS came out again :)
I felt the same way when I got my first cape. Such an amazing feeling :)
Got my first fire cape early 2006 after 13 failed tries on a very slow internet, was super satisfying. Still got that original cape on my rs3 acc.
i would absolutely love a boss stage where you need to stealth across somewhere and use the ring of stone and other form altering stuff to hide from them. that'd be fucking cool
This video ended really abrubtly, I thought you were gonna be like "and it was Chrisaki who got the d2h, which raised further suspicions that he didn't legitimately get the firecape, nor the d2h" and explore that further, but it was like "and it was chrisaki who got the first d2h, cya"
Raid shadow legends needs a subscription service to stop seeing its ads
"GO TO THE BATHROOM YOURE SHITTING YOURSELF" Hahahah wtf?
The grind is real 😎
At first I thought that was the WoW episode of South Park.
7:45 - Haha, love the Soup callout 😛
Subscribed at the part with Mom screaming in the background. That was so relatable!
7:08 that one caught me offguard xD
"Much like a Soup quest guide, ton of information, but not all of it correct" Thats an understatement. 😂
Imagine you playing minecraft and 20 years later someone makes a video about you and it gets almost 100k views crazy
Ay thanks for the heart man made my night
My RS3 account was made in 2005 and it's long since maxed but I still don't have a fire cape.
An individual whose name is still in the credits for tip.it's Fight Caves guide was my friend at the time and I was a child basking in their infinite wisdom and skill, it seriously felt that way.
Now we can feel that Jad is relatively simple - but how great it was when everything was a mystery, and your friend at school that day would eagerly talk during recess as he'd just discovered something you've never seen before! It all felt so new and fresh and I'd waste my single hour of RuneScape time a day (thanks mum but i still didnt get homework done lol) running blindly around areas or asking people solely about stuff they did in the game and the money they made.
Everyone above a certain status felt like a celebrity and when you stumbled across a group of players who talked to each other regularly, it really felt like a community.
I remember in mid 2006 seeing a pure with a fire cape and thinking, how the heck, he was only about level 50ish as well
Could've been uaex, he used to have record for lowest level fire cape
ruclips.net/user/uaexpkervideos
Wow, I had no idea the Chaos Elemental was that old!
That fkr killed me in wildy when I accidentally stumbled upon it. There were revenants too walking around.
Ioved the tzhaar area as a kid so many memories in fight pits and killing tzhaars made my first couple mill from obby shields, capes and a few mauls.
Lmao I remember not doing Zulrah or Olm with F-Keys years back and my friends were so shocked, I was so hesitant to learn them for some reason
There's definitely a bit of a learning curve, so I could see why haha
I still don't use them and i have 350 corrupted gauntlet, 100 toa, 75 tob, 1.5k hydra and vork lmfao
RuneHq was key back then for doing anything
I'm doing my first ever fight caves attempt this Friday with some buddies in Discord...this noob is super pumped.
ill never forget the feeling of my first firecape. glad i was in your clan chat when it happened it was pure euphoria! these caves never cease to be difficult for someone!
So true! Its such an amazing feeling. :D
Such nostalgia!!
I've been playing since 2005. Remember getting my first cape in 07
With crystal bows and Sara brews.. omg...
Those were the days when osrs was at its best!!
And I've still got that same cape!
I remember not being able to stop from start to finish!
Good Times!!!
Nice video, very well done. I enjoyed playing osrs for a couple years, then tried the fight caves and after numerous attempts the entire fun of the game was gone.
I completely understand no one taking credit for it.
I like how impaler99 says "jagex fixed the safespot, thankfully" and then 5 seconds later is like HOLY SHIT THERES A NEW SAFESPOT I JUST DID IT!!!
Lol, Yeah I was wrong - and it wasn't a new safespot, it was the same one. I was nice enough to share it with everybody too!
At 9:15 warlord might have been a higher rank than it seems, closer to leader or high council. In my clan at the time we did a lot of clan wars and we had the same rank structure. We had a warlord. The warlord was responsible for setting up clan wars with other clans warlords. The warlord's posts on the forums were treated similar to a leader. The warlord also called the shots in the wars, they would be in charge of choosing who to focus and would be the only one really talking in the teamspeak. If the warlord died in the wars then the leader would take over until the warlord got back to the fighting area.
I remember using the caves to train my melee. I would go in with full guthan and just last as long as I could until the enemies out dps me. Then just go right back in since it restored your stats when you died lol
"The Cheater Who Ruined RuneScape's Hardest Challenge" is kinda an agressive title for a guy that discovered a safespot right?
I didn't realize that disco jad was a thing I needed
Back in 2005/2006 there was a a pure that managed to get his fire cape at lvl46. Happens all the time now, but back then people were flabbergasted that this guy managed to do it without full guthans. Things were much more simple back then, good times.
Damn, I had no idea the caves were so difficult on release. We are spoiled today lol
True! They're a breeze today compared to launch.
@@ColonelloRS login in and out of waves never existed back then!
Everything was more difficult then
I remember getting that back in late 08/early 09 after coming back. The brews and diamond bolt tips really made a difference by then (as well as I guess pray switching guides, but 1 ticking was still kinda hard with the internet/etc.)
I got my cape in mid 2009 and switching between inventory and prayer tab made me so anxious each time. It felt sooooo rewarding. I drooled watching The Murder21 videos killing Jad many ways (the most favorite is "Jad within 20 seconds"). Getting Zuk cape in RS3 felt almost as rewarding for me :)
you just got me rickrolled thanks
No dude seriously you're on to something when you said we need a boss with a mechanic where you have to wear a ring of stone to dodge some sort of attack or mechanic, bro.. GENUIS!! WE NEED THIS JAGEX MAKE IT HAPPEN.
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@@Donorito boohoo.
@@aarons6935 you probably rwt
anyone remember the "release notes" on the fight caves with the picture of that dude in full guthans fighting jad getting smacked like a 70? Ive been looking for that pic forever for nostalgia reasons.
I remember several Easters ago. When I was looking for my basket. There he was. Chrisaki. Just standing there with my basket. Then he ran off into the woods nearby and I never saw him again.
Hearing that ranger boots used to be 500k made me laugh
Hearing tales of long past mmo glitches/exploits is always a fun time even if I never played the game
Wow thats insane! I remember Chrisaki helping me escape the Varrock sewers back when I was a noob. I was scared to death of those deadly red spiders and asked Chris to help me get out and he was pretty cool about it. Never thought I'd see his name pop up in a video though!
I can remember in roughly 2006 I bought 10m gp on my main, tried the fight caves in full gilded with a dragon longsword and was swiftly banned for rwt 😂 lesson learned very fast!
I remember bringing a full invent of food into the fight pits not caves, thinking that surviving that long enough got you the fire cape lol. People didn’t even know how to get it back then ahhaa. Also back then if you had over a 10mil bank you’d done some sketchy shit to get it
Hahah thats awesome!
That Fire Cape flip was just a preview of the Enchanted/Unenchanted Jewellery flip.
Nice to see my account name appear somehow in a youtube video. His account was only "way" above my combat level through summoning. I never bothered to complete wolf whistle
I waited until a monthish after fight caves and Guthans was going for a little over 20mil at that point. Did fight caves in full guthans, glory, obby cape black dhide body and karils xbow. It took anywhere from 2.25-3hours depending on how often you had to stop and melee to heal but you were able to bring 4 range potions to be potted the entire time at least. It really was a challenge back then.
That fire cape was such a flex back in the day lmao
This is exactly how I got my fire cape back then. I tried every rumored method, including the ring of stone and of course nothing worked, until I found Chris's post. I had my cape just a few hours later.
*my* post, not chris. XD
@@jfesta6 no shit? Damn, so long ago I can’t remember. We are old now 😆
@@sdksniper Yes sir! We sure are ahaha! Colonelo found me on reddit and interviewed me for this. So cool! I had no idea at the time he was such a big youtuber!
@@sdksniper Glad my info was able to help you get it! I thought it was the right thing to do to let everybody else know the the safe spot tactic, since testing it got me mine as well. Getting the second fire cape in the game is still a great memory for me ahaha.
@@jfesta6 brother that is awesome. And yes it did help tremendously. Such an awesome trip down memory lane. Thank you man 🙏
I remember back in the day when Santa hats were about 25m, I just reached a 20m cash stack and had a debate, money make and save for santa, or spend it on prayer... I went with prayer
Bro u hit the nail on the head. Ive been playing since classic and this is exactly how it was. Karis xbow with a cbow, and guthans. Had to borrow my clan mates guthans for the runs because i couldnt afford 9m+. Wearing that cape back then was like wearing the zuk cape. Not sure about the safe spotting tho, i had no idea about that but italy rock was known
I remember how you couldn't see Jad's attacks coming because how tall he was. So you had to depend on sound cues to know what prayer to turn on.... And shortly after finally obtaining this cape a new better cape was introduced the soul cape.
"You'd be paying at least 9-10m" I sold a Guth helm for 9m around that time
You finally caught me.
I've been bragging about getting a fire cape on dial up for like 17 years. I didn't actually beat jad until like 2018.
I quote that "go to the bathroom" clip on a weekly basis
Lmfao I was not ready for that sponsor transition 🤣
I remember when it got released lol, the whole point was it was supposed to be mysterious, hence the weird names for the obsidian stuff
Random question, but where is that sound from at 3:00? It’s driving me crazy
Nice vid!
These young whippersnappers don't even have to start jad in the morning to maybe get a cape by the evening.
I have a screenshot of my first ever fire cape from 2006. full guthans, karils xbow, proselyte skirt, god cloak. was legendary
Chrisaki was a pretty known guy from the leadership of one of the top clans up until EOC hit runescape, it’s weird you mention that you never found anything about him; google is full of results from forum posts where he’s mentioned
Funny to know that he’s made history since 2004 lmao what a guy
When I was doing my first fire cape last week I asked opera's ai for some advice and got stuff i already knew, however it also lied to me and told me jad had a special attack, didn't know it was an old rumor
Dude. When you said that bit about gear prices vs phat...I literally sold a purple phat for 25m to get guthans/dharoks back then🤦♂️ 😅
5:53 omg he predicted the Web Skipping manoeuvre during Sarachnis fights, it kinda is a mechanic now lol
toughest thing i remember grinding was doing this back in 2007 on my 1 def pure basically trying to conserve prayer the whole time
Actually one thing with 'what Jad uses at the start' when he spawns, if you are at a distance, he will always use a Ranged attack first and then at random, what the post claims. In the same post you showed he also mentions he also uses all 3 styles of combat, but what he's implying there is the very first attack he does when he spawns, before going all random. Am not sure, if this is a weird case of Deja Vu, but I remember that being the case mentioning it even on older guides.
Interesting! I appreciate the insight. :)
almost positive Jad attacked randomly, it was not a guaranteed range attack.
But it's also been so many years so could be misremembering.
The oslo smithing clip hahahahaha HOLY
Surprised you didn’t mention that you had to right click attack back then as anything higher level than you. We are spoiled with left click attack all levels now.
Good catch! I actually completely forgot about that
Remember way back I saved everything for 2 years cause I wanted a Santa at 8m. I went on vacation with my fam at 5m and came back and the Santa was 60m lol. The rest was history
Same thing happened to me. I had like 9m and wanted to buy a rare and Green H'weens were the cheapest, going for 13m. So, I just needed a little bit more money and was working on it, and within a week, Green H'weens rocketed up to 117M each. Needless to say, I didn't get my ween lol.
chrisaki...
chris aki...
chris arki....
chris arci...
chris archi...
...CHRIS ARCHIE?
Is he still a mod? Or was that a rumor
i remember when it first came out, i was 3 waves from jad and my friend accidentally kicked my router and unplugged the internet
i remember doing fight caves back then! never got firecape. could get to jad. but KO straight away, and the two hours was intense when i was like 15/16years old. but i remember having purple sweets. but it so long ago. i thiiink the begging they wasnt out. nearly 15 year later i smashed it haha!
happy scaping all! the old days where the best days =)
So i have some information to add to this story! Chrisaki was actually a Women - lived with my mates mum for a short while when i was younger, Had a few very high level accounts and the Clan was actually Demonic Empire!
Now, She definitely had access to the account, but as with alot of clans back then alot of accounts were shared - so she might not have been the actual player to do the cave or original owner but did frequently use the account
She gifted me an Obby set (Cape + Shield) and full rune on my very noobish account and showed me how to get Klank's gauntlets which were BiS at the time.
I had a roller ball mouse at the time which barely worked so was next to impossible to prayer switch fast enough without a miss click here and there. Got past the healers and was on the home stretch and missed a prayer switch... Good times.
Video games like Runescape were so much harder back in the day, most people didn't know much about the game and information wasn't easily available. It was a bitch to play but my god was it rewarding when you finally succeeded.
Yes, everything is harder without giant masses of information at your disposal
the nostalgia is shocking. i remember when ghostly robes came out and I saw someone in them for the first time. they were at castle wars running around in ghostly robes and I thought it was so cool. i used to spend hours and hours at castle wars. santas were 100k and yes, blue party hats were 30m. i remember ALMOST convincing someone to give me their santa hat because i told them it was my birthday. i was collecting water/fire runes at the scorpion pits when they would spawn lol. god i miss 3rd/4th grade.
Idk why I remember this buy Guthans was exactly 13m at this time. I remember not even knowing about how Jad swapped attack styles and tried to brute force it with guthans LOL
Great video one thing you should have done was do a comparison of the prices you used for fury/guthans etc. 1mill back in 2005 is about the equivalent to about 25mill on osrs right now (you have to remember the amount of gold currently in osrs is like 1000x more than there was back in 2005
Great point! :D
chrisaki was a underated legend.
I thought RuneScape’s hardest challenge was not dying to wintertodt
You forgot to mention that changing your prayers would cause you to stop attacking which made jad even more difficult.
Karils and black dhide are the exact same dps, karils just has slightly better defense bonuses. I would also argue safe spotting isn't really cheating since it's technically a mechanic in the game (even if it was unintended) similar to how tick eating wasn't supposed to be possible either but it's considered a mechanic now as well.
I remember when this update first dropped. It's so weird looking back and remembering what the bis was compared to now. Bis back then is like mid tier at best now. Wonder if any of the new content is reliable to do with the old gear.
I've seen a lot of ironmen do modern content with older gear. Unsure of how well it works for them though. :)
Remember not too long later trying to work things out through Rune HQ and Zybez. Good times
11:20 players harassing safespotters... Man, runescape players were a better breed back in the days.
Brings back so much memory
9-10m for Guthans is lower than it was worth. I used to merch and have SS from this time for guthans at around 12-18m
I got my first cape with MSB and rune arrows lol. Then after I could afford the 900k first recharge of a crystal bow when I got it, was when I started using that.
I know when the knowledge base still existed on the RuneScape website there was a page for minigames, which included articles for both the fight pits as well as fight caves (they were probably classified as minigames due to safe deaths). Is there any way to track down these pages from over a decade ago? No idea if these existed when Jad was still new though.
What do you mean you could only move camera with arrow keys? runelite has some additional feature for this?
So... He wasn't actually a cheater? It was just a safe spot :/
So as someone who vividly remembers the year barrows and FC came out… I wanna point out, a set of Guthan’s couldn’t be purchased for less than 13m.. the cheapest set was usually Torag’s for 2.3m.
You’re welcome lol.