Bill confessing his sins to Roselyn and receiving some forgiveness... then Saul coming to Adama at the end to confess his sins and receive his own forgiveness. Another odd parallel... both Adama and Gaius Baltar are both walking around secretly blaming themselves and feeling the guilt for the Cylon attack on the colonies.
I disagree with the negative comments about this episode. But I'll tell you, I had mixed feelings about it when it aired and I can understand the negativity. But this series is - above all - a character study more than it is about a plot. It's a show about moral ambiguities. It's among the least "black and white" TV series of all time. This episode allows Adama a measure of salvation for his guilt and self-doubt about his own secret role in the attack on the Colonies. And it ends with Saul finally ready to admit to Adama about his own role in the death of Ellen and surrendering his ego to repair their relationship. I thought it was a throwaway episode when it aired. But I see the intent behind it now. The name of the episode is "Hero." And that's exactly the concept it holds up for examination.
Doesn't hold a candle to Billy Bob Thornton. That guy cheated on Angelina Jolie. Thus far, nothing much. But she tried to salvage their marriage. That is a credit to his magnetism. They went to marriage counceling. And the SOB SEDUCED a marriage councilor. How good do you have to be to seduce a woman that handles cheaters for a living?
Carl Lumbly (Bulldog) had already a long career when thios episode was aired. I've known him as the voice Martian Manhunder in Justice League, and asagent Dixon in JJ Abrams' Alias.
There are at least three ways to see visions: One, have a head six in your brain. Take Kamala Extract. Or die and be resurrected. In the space between life and death it's possible to glimpse pieces of a greater reality at play. The nature of the Cylon mind makes it possible. But the awareness has to be deliberate. Like lucid dreaming. At least for the 8 human models. Leoben was the first model to learn this trick. Now the 3s have joined him. The Hybrids have always been more connected. They can glimpse the reality between life and death while conscious. Which explains why they think and speak in jumbled riddles. It's too much for a conscious mind to handle.
There's a couple of issues i have with this episode, one is continuity related The episode places the flashback events one year prior to the Cylon attack. However, this conflicts with earlier information that Adama served on Galactica for several years, Tyrol under him for at least five years and Gaeta for three years. The other is Adama isn't really responsible for the Cylon's attack, as the episode implies. Because Boomer must have been covertly infiltrated into the colonies much earlier than just a year before the attack.( Takes time to graduate military training and rise in the officer ranks to LT, about 2 years if compared to current US air force guidelines ), If a colonial ship crossing the armistice line is a sufficient action to negate the peace treaty, what then of the Cylon's violating it by infiltrating the colonies with sleeper agents. They couldn't just appear in the colonies. They must have crossed over the line from the cylon side in some kind of transport to get to the colonies..
Nobody thinks the Cylons were somehow justified in their actions, nor was that the point of the episode. The point is that Adama THINKS he has some responsibility for what happened, and carries around a lot of secret guilt on his shoulders.
@Mr.Ekshin And my point is that while he may feel responsible, he shouldn't.. and others in the episode definitely imply they think he has some responsibility. Not that they think the Cylons were justified, just that this incident was the cause of the attack..
Agreed. There's no way Adama is responsible, the Cylon plan would take so much time. Head Six even says in the miniseries that 'she' (Caprica Six) and Baltar had been sleeping together for 2 years. The massive infiltration of so many aspects of Cylon society definitely seem to be longer in planning. The only possible thing I'd say on the timing of the mission is that maybe the Admiralty selected Adama for the mission and he transferred to Valkyrie for the duration (smaller battlestar, more advanced sensors, smaller signature, etc) to do the mission. If he succeeded, maybe they would have let him keep her and continue serving. Instead, they "shuffled him off" back to Galactica. I think its a stretch but its the only thing in my head that "works".
I guess it's possible that although the Cylons were already infiltrating the humans, maybe they hadn't yet fully decided on the whole nuclear annihilation plan - whether the humans were really still bad enough to warrant the genocide. And missions like Bulldog's violation of the armistice line pushed them over the edge, fully convincing them that humanity would never be able to live in peace with the Cylons. Highly speculative, of course. And I don't think that's the case - 1 year before the attack, the Cylons must have already been well prepared and stocking up on weapons, ships, nukes, etc.
I'm just wondering how he figured out how to fly the Raider; sure, Starbuck did, but she was stuck on a moon, not literally on a baseship surrounded by Centurions... like, it seemed like she took a few hours or so to figure out how to get it to move- Bulldog, while on a hangar deck had to go up to a Raider, KILL IT, get inside, figure out flight controls (including, I believe, jumping- which Starbuck didn't do until much further study and a navcomp from the Colonials), get off the deck- and never once wonder why none of the Centurions and just two Raiders seemed to notice.
@@RamblersInc Indeed; heck, wondering about the conversation earlier... Fred? Fred the Raider: Yeah Okay, this is weird, but we're gonna pop open your bottom panel, and we're gonna install a pilot joystick in you- we've got this plan we're running, and don't need this Danno spending a few hours poking around you to figure out how to go. We're also gonna give you some anathesia, but we're gonna need you to jump wherever Bob and Gothrax the Destroyer tell you to. FtR: Wait, what're they gonna be doing? Chasing you- but don't worry, just play chasing; they won't hit you. FtR: I drew the short straw, huh? Yeah, it happens
Giving you guys a comment and a like for th algorithm, but boy I can barely stand to watch this one. This is the worst episode of the series, and it only here b/c NBC was pressuring RDM to make more standalone episodes.
You don't think Bill having potentially contributed to the attack on the colonies is a significant plot twist to the series? He's essentially carrying the same guilt that Baltar has been enduring all this time. This literally goes all the way back to the series pilot where he's giving his retirement speech, and says, “You cannot play God then wash your hands of the things that you’ve created. Sooner or later, the day comes when you can’t hide from the things that you’ve done anymore.” This episode showed how deeply he was affected by the things he'd done leading up to the attack.
.Yes. The first of the Season 3 stand alone episodes pushed on the writing room by Television executives. The worst of them? It's got some competition for that award.
@Mr.Ekshin I'll drop part of a copy of a comment i just made about this episode as it applies to this discussion. "Adama isn't really responsible for the Cylon's attack, as the episode implies. Because Boomer must have been covertly infiltrated into the colonies much earlier than just a year before the attack.( Takes time to graduate military training and rise in the officer ranks to LT, About two years in the US Air force for comparison ), If a colonial ship crossing the armistice line is a sufficient action to negate the peace treaty, what then of the Cylon's violating it by infiltrating the colonies with sleeper agents. They couldn't just appear in the colonies. They must have crossed over the line from the cylon side in some kind of transport to get to the colonies.." The Cylon's were planning long before the Bulldog incident..
Colenol Tigh really came into his own in this season. Him being such a crusty old bad a$$ was quite the surprise for many viewers.
Arrrrrr 🏴☠️🦜
Bill confessing his sins to Roselyn and receiving some forgiveness... then Saul coming to Adama at the end to confess his sins and receive his own forgiveness.
Another odd parallel... both Adama and Gaius Baltar are both walking around secretly blaming themselves and feeling the guilt for the Cylon attack on the colonies.
No wonder Gaius wants to be someone else....or something else.
I disagree with the negative comments about this episode. But I'll tell you, I had mixed feelings about it when it aired and I can understand the negativity. But this series is - above all - a character study more than it is about a plot. It's a show about moral ambiguities. It's among the least "black and white" TV series of all time. This episode allows Adama a measure of salvation for his guilt and self-doubt about his own secret role in the attack on the Colonies. And it ends with Saul finally ready to admit to Adama about his own role in the death of Ellen and surrendering his ego to repair their relationship. I thought it was a throwaway episode when it aired. But I see the intent behind it now. The name of the episode is "Hero." And that's exactly the concept it holds up for examination.
Well said. In the very least...t's definitely not a filler.
Gaius sleeping with 6 AND Dianna?
YES HES A HERO!
Hes MY hero!
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Baltar is a pimp!!
Doesn't hold a candle to Billy Bob Thornton.
That guy cheated on Angelina Jolie. Thus far, nothing much.
But she tried to salvage their marriage. That is a credit to his magnetism.
They went to marriage counceling. And the SOB SEDUCED a marriage councilor.
How good do you have to be to seduce a woman that handles cheaters for a living?
He takes the phrase "Smart is Sexy" as a personal bet!
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@@technofilejr3401 gets kidnapped by the enemy/living his BEST life 🤣
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Carl Lumbly (Bulldog) had already a long career when thios episode was aired.
I've known him as the voice Martian Manhunder in Justice League, and asagent Dixon in JJ Abrams' Alias.
I remembered Justice League but completely forgot him in Alias. That was such a great show.
There are at least three ways to see visions:
One, have a head six in your brain.
Take Kamala Extract.
Or die and be resurrected. In the space between life and death it's possible to glimpse pieces of a greater reality at play. The nature of the Cylon mind makes it possible. But the awareness has to be deliberate. Like lucid dreaming. At least for the 8 human models. Leoben was the first model to learn this trick. Now the 3s have joined him. The Hybrids have always been more connected. They can glimpse the reality between life and death while conscious. Which explains why they think and speak in jumbled riddles. It's too much for a conscious mind to handle.
I'd love a complete episode on Hybrids. They're fascinating.
There's a couple of issues i have with this episode, one is continuity related
The episode places the flashback events one year prior to the Cylon attack. However, this conflicts with earlier information that Adama served on Galactica for several years, Tyrol under him for at least five years and Gaeta for three years.
The other is Adama isn't really responsible for the Cylon's attack, as the episode implies. Because Boomer must have been covertly infiltrated into the colonies much earlier than just a year before the attack.( Takes time to graduate military training and rise in the officer ranks to LT, about 2 years if compared to current US air force guidelines ), If a colonial ship crossing the armistice line is a sufficient action to negate the peace treaty, what then of the Cylon's violating it by infiltrating the colonies with sleeper agents. They couldn't just appear in the colonies. They must have crossed over the line from the cylon side in some kind of transport to get to the colonies..
Good point on Boomer.
Nobody thinks the Cylons were somehow justified in their actions, nor was that the point of the episode. The point is that Adama THINKS he has some responsibility for what happened, and carries around a lot of secret guilt on his shoulders.
@Mr.Ekshin And my point is that while he may feel responsible, he shouldn't.. and others in the episode definitely imply they think he has some responsibility. Not that they think the Cylons were justified, just that this incident was the cause of the attack..
Agreed. There's no way Adama is responsible, the Cylon plan would take so much time. Head Six even says in the miniseries that 'she' (Caprica Six) and Baltar had been sleeping together for 2 years. The massive infiltration of so many aspects of Cylon society definitely seem to be longer in planning.
The only possible thing I'd say on the timing of the mission is that maybe the Admiralty selected Adama for the mission and he transferred to Valkyrie for the duration (smaller battlestar, more advanced sensors, smaller signature, etc) to do the mission. If he succeeded, maybe they would have let him keep her and continue serving. Instead, they "shuffled him off" back to Galactica. I think its a stretch but its the only thing in my head that "works".
I guess it's possible that although the Cylons were already infiltrating the humans, maybe they hadn't yet fully decided on the whole nuclear annihilation plan - whether the humans were really still bad enough to warrant the genocide. And missions like Bulldog's violation of the armistice line pushed them over the edge, fully convincing them that humanity would never be able to live in peace with the Cylons.
Highly speculative, of course. And I don't think that's the case - 1 year before the attack, the Cylons must have already been well prepared and stocking up on weapons, ships, nukes, etc.
That is the great Carl Lumbly, aka the voice of Martian Manhunter on Justice League.
Iconic voice. Best Martian Manhunter ever. I hope we get to doing that series one day (obivously starting with Batman TAS).
@@RamblersInc He played Martian Manhunter`s father on the Supergirl tv series!
@RandomNPC001 perfect choice.
I'm just wondering how he figured out how to fly the Raider; sure, Starbuck did, but she was stuck on a moon, not literally on a baseship surrounded by Centurions... like, it seemed like she took a few hours or so to figure out how to get it to move- Bulldog, while on a hangar deck had to go up to a Raider, KILL IT, get inside, figure out flight controls (including, I believe, jumping- which Starbuck didn't do until much further study and a navcomp from the Colonials), get off the deck- and never once wonder why none of the Centurions and just two Raiders seemed to notice.
He learnt that way too quickly right? Hmmmm 🤔
@@RamblersInc Indeed; heck, wondering about the conversation earlier...
Fred?
Fred the Raider: Yeah
Okay, this is weird, but we're gonna pop open your bottom panel, and we're gonna install a pilot joystick in you- we've got this plan we're running, and don't need this Danno spending a few hours poking around you to figure out how to go. We're also gonna give you some anathesia, but we're gonna need you to jump wherever Bob and Gothrax the Destroyer tell you to.
FtR: Wait, what're they gonna be doing?
Chasing you- but don't worry, just play chasing; they won't hit you.
FtR: I drew the short straw, huh?
Yeah, it happens
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Giving you guys a comment and a like for th algorithm, but boy I can barely stand to watch this one. This is the worst episode of the series, and it only here b/c NBC was pressuring RDM to make more standalone episodes.
You don't think Bill having potentially contributed to the attack on the colonies is a significant plot twist to the series? He's essentially carrying the same guilt that Baltar has been enduring all this time.
This literally goes all the way back to the series pilot where he's giving his retirement speech, and says, “You cannot play God then wash your hands of the things that you’ve created. Sooner or later, the day comes when you can’t hide from the things that you’ve done anymore.”
This episode showed how deeply he was affected by the things he'd done leading up to the attack.
.Yes. The first of the Season 3 stand alone episodes pushed on the writing room by Television executives. The worst of them? It's got some competition for that award.
@Mr.Ekshin I'll drop part of a copy of a comment i just made about this episode as it applies to this discussion. "Adama isn't really responsible for the Cylon's attack, as the episode implies. Because Boomer must have been covertly infiltrated into the colonies much earlier than just a year before the attack.( Takes time to graduate military training and rise in the officer ranks to LT, About two years in the US Air force for comparison ), If a colonial ship crossing the armistice line is a sufficient action to negate the peace treaty, what then of the Cylon's violating it by infiltrating the colonies with sleeper agents. They couldn't just appear in the colonies. They must have crossed over the line from the cylon side in some kind of transport to get to the colonies.."
The Cylon's were planning long before the Bulldog incident..