Agreed, I have the 870E Aorus Elite, this was helpful. Unfortunately, the memory tune locked my system up at POST. I had to flash the CMOS and try again. I have Corsair 6400 CL36 memory that came with the board from Newegg. The memory tune was the problem, I think. I'm not liking this memory but not sure if it's worth changing it. I'll have to do some research on how to best set it up to work with this CPU. My GPU is the 4080 Super not the 4090, we'll see how this tune works soon.
You are the first RUclips channel I have seen that has broken this down in detail. I tend to spend days fine tuning new builds mainly focusing on getting as steady as possible frame time graph, trying to keep my 1pct and .1pct lows as consistent as possible. It is hard to explain how important this is, and how much tuning actually effects 1440p and 4k, everyone want to argue online about how unimportant high res gaming is in CPU benchmarks. But there is a huge performance difference at high res with up scaling that no one take into account. some Processor do up scaling way better than others, and tuning makes a big difference. I think it has taken Stalker 2 to really make people see how important CPU performance is with up scaling.
thanks for recognizing some of the hard work i put into my content, I really appreciate it. It seems like the large majority of people just parrot what they see in 1 or 2 videos they skim for a few minutes and then act like an expert lol. I'm used to it now, but I hope my content will continue to be useful for those who care to take a deeper look
Nice turorial ! However -40 allcore CO is most likely not stable at all in heavy loads (not gaming). My 9800x3d is only stable at -15 in heavy benchmarks (Prime95 LFFT / Y-Cruncher / OCCT etc) . In games I can do -35 ,but i dont risk the potentional BSOD and corrupted windows/ save files ,so i stick with -15. Tip : you SOC is waaay too high for only 6000 RAM /2000FCLK , you can lower it to 1,15 - 1,2Vfor sure .
that SOC setting only sets high limit. in practice, it only hits around 1.2. I dont usually do synthetic benchmarks as I use these rigs for gaming/editing so they will never see that level of stress its not useful for me personally but thats good to know. Others I spoke to have been running -40 with no issue as well
@@palmz4060 I understand your point of view and i respect it. To me stabe means stable in every scenario . Some games are just as demanding as a synthetic benchmark, for example shader compilation in Stalker2 or The Last of Us . I want my system rock stable all the time and not worry about BSOD. I stresstest my new rigs in the first few days /week ,setting stable OC; and after that forget it and keep playing.
Noice! I have mine set at 5.4Ghz using PBO maximums, but definitely feel like there's more the CPU can give. I have a feeling that this will be a Legendary CPU.
@@monkeywizzi2025 I can run 5.4Ghz using +200Mhz that PBO allows. If I try to increase it to 5.5Ghz by increasing the BUS speed the CPU starts using a lot of voltage (1.32v) and temps jump to near 90C. Whereas, at 5.4Ghz I run at about 1.28v under load and temps are at 86C. The performance difference was none, I think because the CPU was running too hot at 5.5Ghz. I'm using -25 Curve Optimizer. My CPU lotter doesn't seem to be as good as some other overclockers, but I'm satisfied with 5.4Ghz stable. At this point, all I care about is stability.
Hard work details right there. I will try them when i get on my hands the 9800x3d but i will have the msi mag tomahawk wifi so i think its gonna be a drag
I see that your timings are 32-48-48-32. Does that matter in relation to the RAM timings? For example, would your timings stay the same for these two ram options? (Both DDR5 2x16GB) 30-36-36-76 (CAS latency 30) 36-36-36-96 (CAS latency 36)
Can you point me in the right direction for getting started with tweaking ram timings and such? Maybe like videos/guides I could follow? Most I've ever done is flip on XMP. I don't even know where to start, or if there's different guides for different ram kits or if that even matters. Thanks, love the vids and they're what helped me solidify my purchase of the 9800x3d!
One more thing I would like to add that not many people are actually aware of is turning HPET (High precision event timer) off. While by itself it's only a like 1-2% FPS boost, it makes the game feel quite a bit smoother, even though the actual FPS number is the same, and also seemingly more responsive. It worked wonders for when I wanted to run streets on my old 7700K and actually made it playable, and now on my 7800X3D it still is a noticeable difference.
Phenomenal tutorial ! Question though, I have trident Z5 Neo 6000 CL30 - 38 - 38 - 96 1.35V Should I copy your provided timings exactly even if that means increasing some of my secondary timings higher than what my kit can do with it's EXPO profile ? For example my kit will do tRP at 40, should I raise it to your value of 48 in the video ?
So I am wondering, and hope you can clarify this, If I understand correctly the x3d turbo mode turns off smt mode automatically when enabled. My only concern is that it may cause microstutters in titles that utilize mutithreading. Since the 9800x3d has a single ccd the mode is not that useful so would it be more ideal to turn x3d turbo off and keep smt on? (I am also aware it may do something with memory as well but not certain) Let me know your thoughts/experiences, thank you.
yeah manually shutting off SMT with X3D turbo mode is kind of redundant because turbo mode already does it, but I just do it anyways. It will be dependent on the specific titles. Most games will benefit from SMT disabled. There are some titles where it may not show benefit, but you'll have to see that on a game to game basis. All the titles I play benefit from maxing out each core to full capacity instead of spreading it across multiple cores.
@@pyurologie but dont you technically end up with 8 threads instead of 16, reducing the CPU's capability by half? Many many games use more than 8 threads these days.
Hello I have ryzen 7 9800x3d and x870e gigabyte aorus pro. I have noticed that my cpu clock in games dropping to like 3600 mhz and goes up to 5216 or drop to 4800mhz. I was watching many videos there is people with the same cpu and the cpu clock never changes. I tried to undervolt, I have the latest bios version. No idea what to do
@@pyurologie It's like 50-52c in the game, I tried pbo +25 only. For example I was other people playing same game with stable 5225 mhz while my is fluctuating
Hello bro :) Can you make a video with the best motheboards you can buy for 9800x3d? Budget, Mid range and High Range. Can I make the same BIOS specs with an MSI B650 Tomahawk ? Thank you :)
this is my video comparing mobos for 7800X3D, same applies for 9800X3D really A620 vs B650 vs x670E comparison: ruclips.net/video/p530Zqt7Itc/видео.html yes, i use same settings on entry level B650 DS3H no issues
Do you have a 7800X3D tuning video? I have one on the way and it'll be paired with an ASUS PRIME B650M-A mobo and id like to optimize it for Tarkov specifically.
I did the same settings like shown in the video than i saw something strange, my cpu core count was cut in half like the threads were off or something, anyone have any idea why that happened? I would enjoy to use the settings but i cannot because my cpu usages go high because of that problem
I have 9800X3D, 64GB 2x32GB DDR5 6000MHz CL30 but the Expo doesn't work for me on Asus X670E-F ... I had to turn on Expo and tune down the speeds on 5800MHz ...
maybe elden ring actually uses multithreading, most games don't and benefit from it being turned off.. i haven't played elden ring or tested it so not sure
i did those exact settings and it was crashing my computer and wouldn’t even load up. I pulled the battery on my mobo and reset bios. I’m running a 3080 TI / 9800x3d / B650 Aorus Elite AX. Any help? I want to maximize my cpu the best it can but I’m not sure what’s crashing it. Please help!
When you say otherwise everything runs smooth, what happens when things aren't running smoothly? Like are you witnessing frame drops? Screen tearing? Etc
@@lukefloyd9760 Actually everythings runs smooth except for "Streets" on EFT - sometimes you get those FPS dips down to 70-90 but I would say it's still playable. I reverted the +200Mhz and 10x Scalar boost though. Not worth the heat increase and I went down with the VSOC from 1.4 to 1.25
yes it should be fine. if you're worried about longevity at all, then maybe skip the scalar setting step. otherwise, everything else is not pushed very much
Can't wait to come back to this video to learn how to optimally underclock it whenever I get my antec flux pro in canada(if its ever in stock) and my 9800x3d. IT STILL HASNT SHIPPED. And our parcel service is on strike which sucks. Probably will get it around December I hope before next wipe. I am curious though, what motherboard would you recommend, I was thinking the b650e taichi, the x870 steel legend, or the x870 taichi even(since I feel like this board will be good whenever the 11800x3d comes out. Only reason I'm thinking about getting it). I know the nova is really good too but, its sold out everywhere in Canada and its like 100$ less than the taichi so I might aswell go top end top end if I am going top end. Do you think the x870 steel legend would hold up in 2 to 3 years whenever the next x3d chip drops? Since it will be on am5 too. Just curious about your recommendations or advice.
I’m contemplating on upgrading from my i7-12700f to a i7-14700k or i7-14700kf on my b660m plus ASUS motherboard so I can’t run ddr5 on it, but they updated the bios on the motherboard so I’m good to to upgrade just not sure which one would be better for gaming. Or for an extra $100 I could just get the i9-14900k or i9-14900kf I’m looking for which one would be better for gaming I play R6,red dead, apex, gta mainly r6 on all of these games I play medium or low presets/ quality setting. It’s going to be for 1440p/4k
Getting a 9800x3d this weekend. How important is it to touch the memory? Can't I just enable XMP and do the clock speed/ voltage changes and call it a day?>
fine tuning memory is not really necessary and can vary with memory sets, just showing what i did with mine. you can just use your XMP/EXPO profile and be good. tuning secondary and tertiary is like squeezing the last bits out of it, but it won't be substantially different than XMP/EXPO. the PBO settings and turbo mode will make the most difference.
@@pyurologie So i got this ram CMH32GX5M2B6000C30W if i just leave it on XMP and increase the Vcore SOC to like 1.25 is that enhough for Ifinity clock 2200?
@@MexicanBatman As vsoc goes up, you can raise memclk speed better. To help raise fclk, LOWER vsoc. Biggest memory gains are with lower cas and higher fclk. I was running 2133/6400 with vsoc at 1.25, set ram back to expo at 6000, and had to reduce vsoc down to 1.15 for 2200 fclk to stabilize.
@@dkindig Are lower latency ram kits usually better for overclocking too or no? I got the cl28 royal neo and I am wondering if it's even worth overclocking to 6400mhz.
both are great. need 8000 to not get latency penalty at 1:2, my 7200CL34 hits 8000 but it depends on your silicon and whether you want to tune. 6000CL28 will be more "plug and play" to an extent
@@pyurologie I'm getting higher scores with 7200 mhz then 6000mhz in 3dmark, what are the settings for 7200->8000 , the voltage and latency,can you please help me out!!!
I went with Corsair Dominator Titanium RGB DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) 6000mhz. I selected AMD profile 1. When the memory training was done the hertz was set at 6200mhz, 1.4volts. I was confused how 6000mhz can go past what it's set at.
Do you know if the Scalar has any negative impact on CPU longevity? I have mine set to 10X, and it seems stable. Does a higher scalar increase power draw, or provide a more consistent voltage to the CPU? I can't really find good information on this. Thanks!
it basically allows the CPU to push harder in terms of voltage, which technically increases heat. Since the 9800X3D runs so cool anyways, I'm personally not very worried about it decreasing overall life of the CPU. It's just allowing it to reach whatever voltage it needs to stay boosted longer. On top of that, boost clocks are capped by PBO, so it's not like it's pushing the CPU indefinitely. In cases where the temp would go to an unhealthy level, then I'd be worried about longevity. But, even on 10X scalar for me, my chip stays extremely cool in the 50s. Hope that explanation helps. If you're extremely cautious, then remove the scalar setting, but overall I'm not worried one bit about longevity using it after seeing the temps and voltages on these settings.
@@pyurologie Great, thanks! I'll keep an eye on it, and try some other lower settings to see if it changes voltages much. I get about 83C when running Cinebench R24 with 150w power draw. In gaming, it only pulls about 75W and stays around 55-60C with a 360mm AIO.
I'm running 10X with a Scythe Fuma 3 air cooler with 3 fans, max temps 87* in Cinebench R23 with 165W draw. Gaming temps are in the low to mid 60's at around the same power draw (75W). Looks like there's a consistent 5* differential between our cooling methods.
@@dkindig Cinebench R23 this my CPU harder than R24 does. In R24 I get about 83C, but in R24 I get 87C, with a 7X scalar currently. My wattage is lower than yours though, at about 155w in R23. I tried a manual overclock to 5.4Ghz @ 1.240v and temps and power draw were about the same, but it crashed in R23. Interestingly, I can run PBO + 200 offset to reach 5.4Ghz and it passes R23. Maybe I just need more voltage in the manual overclock, but I was already pushing high 87C as it was and didn't feel like trying higher core voltage. Anyways, I'll be happy where it is for now. It's still a huge boost in performance from my old 10900K. :)
most likely yes, I've spoken to a few 9800X3D owners already and all seem to be able to run fine on these settings. If you're having issues, you can lower the CO value -5 at a time
@ also disabling SMT should not affect other games performance right? I did hear that disabling it increases performance in games little bit but i’m not aware of current situation
yes, completely safe to undervolt. there's no way to damage hardware with undervolting because you're actually feeding it less voltage to try and maximize efficiency.
great vid, im building a custom loop and im going to direct die the 9800x3d, just waiting for the cpu to be delivered lol do you think i'll be able to do +300mhz or maybe even 400 ? thx
I've seen others push the clocks further than i am manually, I'm just staying within PBO limits. I think with enough heat management, you can push the clocks. I havent tried it yet personally though
yes, you should have no issues with an X870 using the same settings. Even my B650 hits the same values. X3D don't care much what motherboard is being used
I may have missed it but how far down did your temps drop after these adjustments? I just got a x870 gigabyte aorus elite board and the 9800x3d and 6000mhz ddr5 cl30 ram, the temps under full load hit 95c in cinebench, im curious if these curve optimizer settings can help reduce the max temps. gaming is fine, i see anywhere from 45-65c in games depending on the title.
I have a full all new pc build with 9800x3d with everything identical to what you used in this video except the gpu. I either want to find a good black friday deal or possibly buy a used gpu. What do you recommend? I ONLY play tarkov and dont really want to spend a lot on the graphics card.
congrats! well good thing about tarkov is that cpu is the star of the show. what resolution are you planning to play? then i can give u my recommendations
I have a PC with ryzen 7 9800x3d and rtx 4090. Should I do something to give it more power ? Looking at your videos on the streets map I don't have so many FPS.
for tarkov and a lot of games, they're optimized for single core performance. this setting ensures each core is at full capacity instead of spreading it across cores
You go from 400fps at 2k to 200fps at 4k? oof. Curious how the 5090 will peform in this. Debating on going for a 4k 240hz monitor or 2k 480hz monitor in my next build. Great videos btw!
@@pyurologie i was not actually on latest bios, so i tried updating bios but somehow bricked it with usb flash even though i did not remove the stick when it updated. Anyway a tech guy Got it working again and i upgraded ram to 6000 cl30 kit. I was Also having trouble using PBO to oc, it would not go over 5.25 no matter what, hopefully new bios Update will fix that.
How is the performance with streaming. I currently gonna try your setting. Performance on games like Hunt Showdown, my performance tanks when trying to stream. Compared to a 13900k ecores off. Locked at 5.6 all core. 7200 xmp. Was thinking on sending this 9800X3d back. /sadface Hopefully this video will help change my mind.
Let me know what happens. I have the 9800x3d here. It was going to retire my 13900k. So far I can’t see why i would. Doesn’t seem to be worth the $1000 (cpu/mb)
streaming performance is great. it really depends on your stream settings. Here's a recent single PC stream playing in 4K with amazing performance ruclips.net/user/livesSOo-YZ1cQU?feature=shared
got an msi tomahwak x670e refurbished for $185 US put it in yesterday and everything has appeared to be good. one thing i wanna know is i had the option to update the bios to a beta version specificaly for the 9800x3d. i dont know much about pc stuff when it comes to things like that so i just went with the update previous to that one that supports 9000 ryzen chips. if i were to go ahead and undervolt it with these settings would you reccomend I update to the beta version of the 9800x3d bios update?
you should be able to run the same secondaries and leave your CAS rating as is lmk if you have questions. you can hit me up on discord as well pyurologie discord: discord.gg/c7SvvDAuMZ
Hi Pyur, do you use FMF2 in Tarkov or nah? Getting my 9800X3D in pair with 6800XT and thinking if i need to use it in 1080p. Thanks for video! (360hz monitor)
@@themarketgardener ye he said before that from version 2 it is not very noticeable, but i forgot that he is on 4090 now and there is no FMF2, so to rephrase it, would he use it if he had amd card
@avpro3904 yes FMF2 is amazing, the added input latency even with FMF1 was a non factor if starting with 80-100 fps. with FMF2, it wasn't even noticeable. FMF2 is so good. you wont need it with 6800xt for 1080 or even 1440, but you can boost to insane frames with it on if you like ruclips.net/video/mBSij0g8tjY/видео.htmlfeature=shared
yeah gonna wait till my bios update gets out of beta before trying anything like this (msi x670E gaming plus wifi, was very cheap where i live while still having all the pcie-5 goodies and ports/slots plus for upgrade path down the road)
haveing problems with my 0.1% lows did same testrun as you on streets with 170 avg fps and 130 1%lows but my 0.1% low was 62 any help is greatly appreciated : )
Will this preset work fine for running Star Citizen with a rtx4070 TI Super, 64gb ddr5 c40, crucial t705 2tb, corsair h150 cooling, gigabyte x870 aurus elite mtb with the latest bios
If I have a Teamgroup EXPERT DDR5 48GB 6400MHz CL32 [32-39-39-84]1.35v kit how would the settings differ? do i increase the system memory multiplier to 64?
Quick question, does disabling smt mode help on every game? Or is it only for tarkov. And if I'm using process lasso to disable smt for tarkov, is disabling smt on motherboard still necessary?
Why in some games like Thronz and liberty or STALKER but in loading shaders for stalker my cpu is used 100% ? This used is just for stalker when he was loading shaders in loading screen but in Throns and Liberty in a main city sometimes my processor goes up to 80/90% used sometimes not , is 9800x3d and all cores are 5225 mhz ? Is it oke or ? I played 1920x1080
@@DeadMar0z Late reply, actually i dont have it in my hands, was just checking the kits for my next upgrade. Looks like all the CL30-32 are the good ones i suppose.
Got a question my system is ryzen 7 7700 non x with 32gb ram 5600 at cl28 in first set of timings last number on mine is 96 will it hurt anything if I drop it down to 28 same as my first number?
You would actually benefit from a boost greatly, I switched from a 5800x to a 5800x3d when it was on a big sale, and in labs I can hit like 200 to 300ish frames. On maps like woods I average around 150 to 250 etc. The only map I struggled with was streets but, that is the most demanding map. You can check out his other videos but, this game is geniuenly really cpu/ram dependent. Especially on the vcache. That would be a massive upgrade for you in tarkov and many other vcache heavy games like farcry 6 or Baulders gate 3 too if you are thinking of doing a small upgrade for now.
@ I watched his 5700x3d vs 5800x3d comparison and will probably upgrade to the 5700x3d simply because I can’t find any 5800x3d’s. And it’s basically the same performance for cheaper …more or less.
Omg -60??? Mine freezes 5 minutes into cinebench multi-core at -25. I keep at -15 for guaranteed stability. No difference in 4K gaming performance on these margins for me anyway. Either way, great video walkthrough.
I got so lucky you went with Aorus as well! Amazing guide and easy to follow instructions! Thank you again brother!
Thanks, I'm glad it was helpful!
Agreed, I have the 870E Aorus Elite, this was helpful. Unfortunately, the memory tune locked my system up at POST. I had to flash the CMOS and try again. I have Corsair 6400 CL36 memory that came with the board from Newegg. The memory tune was the problem, I think. I'm not liking this memory but not sure if it's worth changing it. I'll have to do some research on how to best set it up to work with this CPU. My GPU is the 4080 Super not the 4090, we'll see how this tune works soon.
@@JamboneManhow did it perform, I have your exact same setup
Not sure how I missed this earlier! Cant wait to these settings out tomorrow dude. Youre the best 🎉
You're welcome! Enjoy!
Damn dude, these are some serious gains😮
yeah i actually wasnt expecting that much of a boost.. its got a good amount of headroom
You are the first RUclips channel I have seen that has broken this down in detail. I tend to spend days fine tuning new builds mainly focusing on getting as steady as possible frame time graph, trying to keep my 1pct and .1pct lows as consistent as possible. It is hard to explain how important this is, and how much tuning actually effects 1440p and 4k, everyone want to argue online about how unimportant high res gaming is in CPU benchmarks. But there is a huge performance difference at high res with up scaling that no one take into account. some Processor do up scaling way better than others, and tuning makes a big difference. I think it has taken Stalker 2 to really make people see how important CPU performance is with up scaling.
thanks for recognizing some of the hard work i put into my content, I really appreciate it. It seems like the large majority of people just parrot what they see in 1 or 2 videos they skim for a few minutes and then act like an expert lol. I'm used to it now, but I hope my content will continue to be useful for those who care to take a deeper look
Nice turorial ! However -40 allcore CO is most likely not stable at all in heavy loads (not gaming). My 9800x3d is only stable at -15 in heavy benchmarks (Prime95 LFFT / Y-Cruncher / OCCT etc) . In games I can do -35 ,but i dont risk the potentional BSOD and corrupted windows/ save files ,so i stick with -15.
Tip : you SOC is waaay too high for only 6000 RAM /2000FCLK , you can lower it to 1,15 - 1,2Vfor sure .
that SOC setting only sets high limit. in practice, it only hits around 1.2. I dont usually do synthetic benchmarks as I use these rigs for gaming/editing so they will never see that level of stress its not useful for me personally but thats good to know. Others I spoke to have been running -40 with no issue as well
I run -40 and zero issues, only for gaming. Don’t even bother with synthetic benchmarks.
@@palmz4060 I understand your point of view and i respect it.
To me stabe means stable in every scenario . Some games are just as demanding as a synthetic benchmark, for example shader compilation in Stalker2 or The Last of Us . I want my system rock stable all the time and not worry about BSOD. I stresstest my new rigs in the first few days /week ,setting stable OC; and after that forget it and keep playing.
@@csabauri351that’s fair enough and makes sense
@@pyurologie Was also running -40 on mine but got crazy freeze frames in Elden Ring. -35 seems stable for me.
holly molly this chip is insane! thanks for the content ! unique and quality!
thanks so much, i appreciate the support!
Great video man.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Subscribed thank you!
thanks so much! much love
This is exactly what I need. Just built a new PC with the 9800x3d and a 4090. Now I need to OC it.
congrats, beast build! hope it's helpful!
Noice! I have mine set at 5.4Ghz using PBO maximums, but definitely feel like there's more the CPU can give. I have a feeling that this will be a Legendary CPU.
Did you make OC ?? Is there big difference ??
@@monkeywizzi2025 I can run 5.4Ghz using +200Mhz that PBO allows. If I try to increase it to 5.5Ghz by increasing the BUS speed the CPU starts using a lot of voltage (1.32v) and temps jump to near 90C. Whereas, at 5.4Ghz I run at about 1.28v under load and temps are at 86C. The performance difference was none, I think because the CPU was running too hot at 5.5Ghz. I'm using -25 Curve Optimizer. My CPU lotter doesn't seem to be as good as some other overclockers, but I'm satisfied with 5.4Ghz stable. At this point, all I care about is stability.
@@Darkswordz do you have 9800 x3? Did you make some optimization ? Because I saw the videos of @pyurologie and he get more fps than me. Big difference
YOOOO sick video bro thanks for this!
thank you! np!
for some funky reason the gigabyte site has a later version of amd chipset than the one on official site lol
oh really? lol hmm im still using the amd one but ill check it out
Awesome tutorial as always!
thanks dude!!
Amazing video sir thanks
You're welcome, glad you liked it!
Hard work details right there. I will try them when i get on my hands the 9800x3d but i will have the msi mag tomahawk wifi so i think its gonna be a drag
thank you! appreciate the support 🙏
would definitely like to see this done for rust
Best guide and straight forward.easy to understand ,also you are right .
Thanks! I appreciate the feedback! 🙏 Glad you found it helpful!
I see that your timings are 32-48-48-32. Does that matter in relation to the RAM timings? For example, would your timings stay the same for these two ram options? (Both DDR5 2x16GB)
30-36-36-76 (CAS latency 30)
36-36-36-96 (CAS latency 36)
Can you point me in the right direction for getting started with tweaking ram timings and such? Maybe like videos/guides I could follow? Most I've ever done is flip on XMP. I don't even know where to start, or if there's different guides for different ram kits or if that even matters. Thanks, love the vids and they're what helped me solidify my purchase of the 9800x3d!
One more thing I would like to add that not many people are actually aware of is turning HPET (High precision event timer) off. While by itself it's only a like 1-2% FPS boost, it makes the game feel quite a bit smoother, even though the actual FPS number is the same, and also seemingly more responsive. It worked wonders for when I wanted to run streets on my old 7700K and actually made it playable, and now on my 7800X3D it still is a noticeable difference.
I wonder why?
Copied these exact setting and my display wouldn’t come on after. Had to clear the cmos and reset my bios.
not every chip and RAM will be able to hit the same settings. did you copy the RAM timings too?
Phenomenal tutorial ! Question though, I have trident Z5 Neo 6000 CL30 - 38 - 38 - 96 1.35V
Should I copy your provided timings exactly even if that means increasing some of my secondary timings higher than what my kit can do with it's EXPO profile ? For example my kit will do tRP at 40, should I raise it to your value of 48 in the video ?
sorry for the late reply, I'd try with your expo timings and try these tertiary timings
So I am wondering, and hope you can clarify this, If I understand correctly the x3d turbo mode turns off smt mode automatically when enabled. My only concern is that it may cause microstutters in titles that utilize mutithreading. Since the 9800x3d has a single ccd the mode is not that useful so would it be more ideal to turn x3d turbo off and keep smt on? (I am also aware it may do something with memory as well but not certain) Let me know your thoughts/experiences, thank you.
Need to know too
yeah manually shutting off SMT with X3D turbo mode is kind of redundant because turbo mode already does it, but I just do it anyways.
It will be dependent on the specific titles. Most games will benefit from SMT disabled. There are some titles where it may not show benefit, but you'll have to see that on a game to game basis. All the titles I play benefit from maxing out each core to full capacity instead of spreading it across multiple cores.
@@pyurologie but dont you technically end up with 8 threads instead of 16, reducing the CPU's capability by half? Many many games use more than 8 threads these days.
I like to use process lasso for defining priority/affinity/smt on a game-by-game basis. Has been very convenient, set and forget.
@@pyurologieI’ve heard to turn it on if you have the 9950 or 7850x3d. But with the 7800 or 9800x3d, keep it off
Hello I have ryzen 7 9800x3d and x870e gigabyte aorus pro. I have noticed that my cpu clock in games dropping to like 3600 mhz and goes up to 5216 or drop to 4800mhz. I was watching many videos there is people with the same cpu and the cpu clock never changes. I tried to undervolt, I have the latest bios version. No idea what to do
do you have PBO enabled? it can also be application dependent.. and also what are your CPU temps in game?
@@pyurologie It's like 50-52c in the game, I tried pbo +25 only. For example I was other people playing same game with stable 5225 mhz while my is fluctuating
Hello bro :) Can you make a video with the best motheboards you can buy for 9800x3d? Budget, Mid range and High Range.
Can I make the same BIOS specs with an MSI B650 Tomahawk ? Thank you :)
this is my video comparing mobos for 7800X3D, same applies for 9800X3D really
A620 vs B650 vs x670E comparison: ruclips.net/video/p530Zqt7Itc/видео.html
yes, i use same settings on entry level B650 DS3H no issues
Nice Manual bro
Appreciate it! Thanks for checking it out!
i sometimes dont understand tuning giving that much of a difference in performance, if there's that much headroom why doesn't the manufacturer do it?
Do you have a 7800X3D tuning video? I have one on the way and it'll be paired with an ASUS PRIME B650M-A mobo and id like to optimize it for Tarkov specifically.
here's an undervolt video for Ryzen 7000, same settings I use for my 7800X3D: ruclips.net/video/-D2gPn95jS8/видео.html
I did the same settings like shown in the video than i saw something strange, my cpu core count was cut in half like the threads were off or something, anyone have any idea why that happened? I would enjoy to use the settings but i cannot because my cpu usages go high because of that problem
smt disabled turns off multithreading
@@pyurologie and i can use the settings with smt enabled? or my pc will go crazy xD
I would like to know what the temps before and after and what type of cooling used.
I have 9800X3D, 64GB 2x32GB DDR5 6000MHz CL30 but the Expo doesn't work for me on Asus X670E-F ... I had to turn on Expo and tune down the speeds on 5800MHz ...
damn. have u tried raising voltages a little?
@@pyurologie nope.
i might try that if you haven't yet.. if you need some suggestions on settings, feel free to hit me up on discord: discord.gg/c7SvvDAuMZ
@ thank you! I might just hit you up.
Turbo Mode causes stutters in Elden Ring for me. I wonder if it’s universal
maybe elden ring actually uses multithreading, most games don't and benefit from it being turned off.. i haven't played elden ring or tested it so not sure
Do I need to do everything or can I only do pbo?
i did those exact settings and it was crashing my computer and wouldn’t even load up. I pulled the battery on my mobo and reset bios.
I’m running a 3080 TI / 9800x3d / B650 Aorus Elite AX.
Any help? I want to maximize my cpu the best it can but I’m not sure what’s crashing it. Please help!
what RAM are you running if you copied the RAM settings?
I love ur guide!! Just a question are you using win 10 or 11? Thx!
My 9800X3D can go max. 25- allcore CO otherwise everything runs smooth, thanks mang
no problem, yeah its dependent on your silicon and use scenarios. thanks for sharing!
When you say otherwise everything runs smooth, what happens when things aren't running smoothly? Like are you witnessing frame drops? Screen tearing? Etc
@@lukefloyd9760 Actually everythings runs smooth except for "Streets" on EFT - sometimes you get those FPS dips down to 70-90 but I would say it's still playable.
I reverted the +200Mhz and 10x Scalar boost though. Not worth the heat increase and I went down with the VSOC from 1.4 to 1.25
this is crazy how much of a difference OC made. how were the temp changes or did you not track that?
temps were basically exactly the same.. in 50s in games
Boys you can save that coin regarding 4090, 9800X3D is doing majority of the work here. AMD DDR5 And 9800X3d you will never look back!
Great video. I will buy it once I get paid for all my work in earth ❤ with love, J Christ.
thank you!
Sheeeesh! Another one.
🎉🎉
is 100% safe for cpu?
yes it should be fine. if you're worried about longevity at all, then maybe skip the scalar setting step. otherwise, everything else is not pushed very much
How safe are the voltages that you showed?
Do you have a video like this for 7800x3d? sorry maybe i just cant find it
Do you have a video for the 7800x3d pls
Can't wait to come back to this video to learn how to optimally underclock it whenever I get my antec flux pro in canada(if its ever in stock) and my 9800x3d. IT STILL HASNT SHIPPED. And our parcel service is on strike which sucks. Probably will get it around December I hope before next wipe.
I am curious though, what motherboard would you recommend, I was thinking the b650e taichi, the x870 steel legend, or the x870 taichi even(since I feel like this board will be good whenever the 11800x3d comes out. Only reason I'm thinking about getting it). I know the nova is really good too but, its sold out everywhere in Canada and its like 100$ less than the taichi so I might aswell go top end top end if I am going top end. Do you think the x870 steel legend would hold up in 2 to 3 years whenever the next x3d chip drops? Since it will be on am5 too. Just curious about your recommendations or advice.
You have xmp disabled for tarkov?
I don't use XMP value, I set my own memory timings.
Do you have a video like this for the 5700x3d?
I’m contemplating on upgrading from my i7-12700f to a i7-14700k or i7-14700kf on my b660m plus ASUS motherboard so I can’t run ddr5 on it, but they updated the bios on the motherboard so I’m good to to upgrade just not sure which one would be better for gaming. Or for an extra $100 I could just get the i9-14900k or i9-14900kf I’m looking for which one would be better for gaming I play R6,red dead, apex, gta mainly r6 on all of these games I play medium or low presets/ quality setting. It’s going to be for 1440p/4k
Getting a 9800x3d this weekend. How important is it to touch the memory? Can't I just enable XMP and do the clock speed/ voltage changes and call it a day?>
CMH64GX5M2B6000C30
This is the memory kit I got
fine tuning memory is not really necessary and can vary with memory sets, just showing what i did with mine. you can just use your XMP/EXPO profile and be good. tuning secondary and tertiary is like squeezing the last bits out of it, but it won't be substantially different than XMP/EXPO. the PBO settings and turbo mode will make the most difference.
I just now realized its an XMP memory kit. Will it work for EXPO?
why turn off SMT?
i cant get infinity to 2200 just 2100 from 2000 any advise? i only changed the setting
you matched voltages as well? sometimes it can depend on silicon, but it seems like most 9800X3D users I spoke to can hit 2200.. lmk
@@pyurologie So i got this ram CMH32GX5M2B6000C30W if i just leave it on XMP and increase the Vcore SOC to like 1.25 is that enhough for Ifinity clock 2200?
@@MexicanBatman As vsoc goes up, you can raise memclk speed better. To help raise fclk, LOWER vsoc. Biggest memory gains are with lower cas and higher fclk. I was running 2133/6400 with vsoc at 1.25, set ram back to expo at 6000, and had to reduce vsoc down to 1.15 for 2200 fclk to stabilize.
@@dkindig Are lower latency ram kits usually better for overclocking too or no? I got the cl28 royal neo and I am wondering if it's even worth overclocking to 6400mhz.
I have 6000mhz 28cl ram and 7200 mhz 34cl ram , which should I keep
6000 cl28 with 1:1 mode
both are great. need 8000 to not get latency penalty at 1:2, my 7200CL34 hits 8000 but it depends on your silicon and whether you want to tune. 6000CL28 will be more "plug and play" to an extent
@@pyurologie I'm getting higher scores with 7200 mhz then 6000mhz in 3dmark, what are the settings for 7200->8000 , the voltage and latency,can you please help me out!!!
would this be as beneficial for games outside of tarkov too? or just a bit?
yes, this tune in general helps me in all titles I play
I went with Corsair Dominator Titanium RGB DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) 6000mhz. I selected AMD profile 1. When the memory training was done the hertz was set at 6200mhz, 1.4volts. I was confused how 6000mhz can go past what it's set at.
I found stuttering to be a problem with SMT off in BLOPS6
if i want my ram to be at 7000mhz instead of 6000 what do i need to change??
Do you know if the Scalar has any negative impact on CPU longevity? I have mine set to 10X, and it seems stable. Does a higher scalar increase power draw, or provide a more consistent voltage to the CPU? I can't really find good information on this. Thanks!
it basically allows the CPU to push harder in terms of voltage, which technically increases heat. Since the 9800X3D runs so cool anyways, I'm personally not very worried about it decreasing overall life of the CPU. It's just allowing it to reach whatever voltage it needs to stay boosted longer. On top of that, boost clocks are capped by PBO, so it's not like it's pushing the CPU indefinitely.
In cases where the temp would go to an unhealthy level, then I'd be worried about longevity. But, even on 10X scalar for me, my chip stays extremely cool in the 50s. Hope that explanation helps. If you're extremely cautious, then remove the scalar setting, but overall I'm not worried one bit about longevity using it after seeing the temps and voltages on these settings.
@@pyurologie Great, thanks! I'll keep an eye on it, and try some other lower settings to see if it changes voltages much. I get about 83C when running Cinebench R24 with 150w power draw. In gaming, it only pulls about 75W and stays around 55-60C with a 360mm AIO.
I'm running 10X with a Scythe Fuma 3 air cooler with 3 fans, max temps 87* in Cinebench R23 with 165W draw. Gaming temps are in the low to mid 60's at around the same power draw (75W). Looks like there's a consistent 5* differential between our cooling methods.
@@dkindig Cinebench R23 this my CPU harder than R24 does. In R24 I get about 83C, but in R24 I get 87C, with a 7X scalar currently. My wattage is lower than yours though, at about 155w in R23. I tried a manual overclock to 5.4Ghz @ 1.240v and temps and power draw were about the same, but it crashed in R23. Interestingly, I can run PBO + 200 offset to reach 5.4Ghz and it passes R23. Maybe I just need more voltage in the manual overclock, but I was already pushing high 87C as it was and didn't feel like trying higher core voltage. Anyways, I'll be happy where it is for now. It's still a huge boost in performance from my old 10900K. :)
So i can use those same settings without a problem? There is no silicon lottery involved?
most likely yes, I've spoken to a few 9800X3D owners already and all seem to be able to run fine on these settings. If you're having issues, you can lower the CO value -5 at a time
@ also disabling SMT should not affect other games performance right? I did hear that disabling it increases performance in games little bit but i’m not aware of current situation
is it normal if my boost clock override aint stable at 200
it can be dependent on your silicon. Maybe try lowering to 150 and test stability
@@pyurologie ty how much scalar do i start with
Im New to undervolting is this safe for my CPU?
yes, completely safe to undervolt. there's no way to damage hardware with undervolting because you're actually feeding it less voltage to try and maximize efficiency.
great vid, im building a custom loop and im going to direct die the 9800x3d, just waiting for the cpu to be delivered lol
do you think i'll be able to do +300mhz or maybe even 400 ?
thx
I've seen others push the clocks further than i am manually, I'm just staying within PBO limits. I think with enough heat management, you can push the clocks. I havent tried it yet personally though
Building a new PC, what are your thoughts on 870 Aorus master? Would I be able to do similar tunings as you did with the 670E extreme?
yes, you should have no issues with an X870 using the same settings. Even my B650 hits the same values. X3D don't care much what motherboard is being used
will all these settings work for my ryzen 7800x3d. i have that same ram too.
settings are different for 7800X3D, here's an undervolt guide for 7800X3D: ruclips.net/video/-D2gPn95jS8/видео.html
Does smt affect the game that much ?
i haven't done a test specifically testing only SMT yet but it's the ideal setting for gaming technically
I may have missed it but how far down did your temps drop after these adjustments? I just got a x870 gigabyte aorus elite board and the 9800x3d and 6000mhz ddr5 cl30 ram, the temps under full load hit 95c in cinebench, im curious if these curve optimizer settings can help reduce the max temps. gaming is fine, i see anywhere from 45-65c in games depending on the title.
If I’m freezing do I just keep lowering the pbo boost by 25 til it stops?
freezing in game or during post?
I have a full all new pc build with 9800x3d with everything identical to what you used in this video except the gpu. I either want to find a good black friday deal or possibly buy a used gpu. What do you recommend? I ONLY play tarkov and dont really want to spend a lot on the graphics card.
congrats! well good thing about tarkov is that cpu is the star of the show. what resolution are you planning to play? then i can give u my recommendations
@@pyurologie 1440p I am currently watching your video on the subject from almost a year ago lol.
@@ericseawright8476 a 4070 and above is probably a good pick
id go for a 4070 ti super prob
I have a PC with ryzen 7 9800x3d and rtx 4090. Should I do something to give it more power ? Looking at your videos on the streets map I don't have so many FPS.
is it the same with Asus B650 PLUS Tuf Gaming motherboard?
yeah, i use the same settings on my B650 DS3H with no issues.
I need same tutorial for 7800x3d so hard...
here's an undervolt video for Ryzen 7000, same settings I use for my 7800X3D: ruclips.net/video/-D2gPn95jS8/видео.html
Hello, just curious but why should you disable SMT? Thanks
for tarkov and a lot of games, they're optimized for single core performance. this setting ensures each core is at full capacity instead of spreading it across cores
You go from 400fps at 2k to 200fps at 4k? oof. Curious how the 5090 will peform in this. Debating on going for a 4k 240hz monitor or 2k 480hz monitor in my next build. Great videos btw!
this was for the labs comparison. I think you have a resolution video. I'll watch that, looking forward to the 5000 series videos
is ok if i use the cpu settings from this video and for ram to use xmp ?
yeah absolutely
Can’t find x3d turbo mode.
X870-P Asus prime
I think it's called turbo game mode for asus boards
@@pyurologie yeah still don't see an option:/
are you on the latest BIOS?
@@pyurologie i was not actually on latest bios, so i tried updating bios but somehow bricked it with usb flash even though i did not remove the stick when it updated. Anyway a tech guy Got it working again and i upgraded ram to 6000 cl30 kit.
I was Also having trouble using PBO to oc, it would not go over 5.25 no matter what, hopefully new bios Update will fix that.
How is the performance with streaming. I currently gonna try your setting. Performance on games like Hunt Showdown, my performance tanks when trying to stream. Compared to a 13900k ecores off. Locked at 5.6 all core. 7200 xmp. Was thinking on sending this 9800X3d back. /sadface Hopefully this video will help change my mind.
Let me know what happens. I have the 9800x3d here. It was going to retire my 13900k. So far I can’t see why i would. Doesn’t seem to be worth the $1000 (cpu/mb)
streaming performance is great. it really depends on your stream settings. Here's a recent single PC stream playing in 4K with amazing performance ruclips.net/user/livesSOo-YZ1cQU?feature=shared
got an msi tomahwak x670e refurbished for $185 US put it in yesterday and everything has appeared to be good. one thing i wanna know is i had the option to update the bios to a beta version specificaly for the 9800x3d. i dont know much about pc stuff when it comes to things like that so i just went with the update previous to that one that supports 9000 ryzen chips. if i were to go ahead and undervolt it with these settings would you reccomend I update to the beta version of the 9800x3d bios update?
thats a steal! nice find.. yeah unless you want a specific feature in the BIOS id just go with the latest official release
Have you had any blue screens with your build? I might just copy your setup tbh
nope been rock solid in all games i play, even running -50 now
Will those RAM settings work for my Corsair Vengeance 32Gb (6k @ CL28)? If not, is there somewhere I can look to get the correct settings?
yeah i would like to know aswell
you should be able to run the same secondaries and leave your CAS rating as is lmk if you have questions.
you can hit me up on discord as well
pyurologie discord: discord.gg/c7SvvDAuMZ
Hi Pyur, do you use FMF2 in Tarkov or nah?
Getting my 9800X3D in pair with 6800XT and thinking if i need to use it in 1080p. Thanks for video! (360hz monitor)
He has videos with FMF2 but it introduces some input lag afaik
@@themarketgardener ye he said before that from version 2 it is not very noticeable, but i forgot that he is on 4090 now and there is no FMF2, so to rephrase it, would he use it if he had amd card
@avpro3904 yes FMF2 is amazing, the added input latency even with FMF1 was a non factor if starting with 80-100 fps. with FMF2, it wasn't even noticeable. FMF2 is so good. you wont need it with 6800xt for 1080 or even 1440, but you can boost to insane frames with it on if you like ruclips.net/video/mBSij0g8tjY/видео.htmlfeature=shared
@ thanks a lot for answer man!!! Going to try everything now, just installed 9800x3d, going to be huge after 9600k 🤞
But how can it be that you play in 4K on the stream and have over 150 - 200 fps in streets?
most likely because I'm using DLSS on stream to offset the performance hit for streaming
@@pyurologie DLSS really makes that large of a difference? thats actually crazy
Quock.qiestion about ram. Does it matter if it xmp or expo r set?/if I get a intel xmp r set does that affect performace?
Very new to actually tweaking BIOS settings, is there any risk for the cpu with doing all of these steps?
I think I have D-die ram... is there different RAM timings I should use? or just not bother with it and just do eveything else in the video?
yeah gonna wait till my bios update gets out of beta before trying anything like this (msi x670E gaming plus wifi, was very cheap where i live while still having all the pcie-5 goodies and ports/slots plus for upgrade path down the road)
I wish you had one for a Asus rog strix mbo.. I'm so new to all this and the interface is so different
i can help you through it on discord if you want
@pyurologie that would be great! When would you like to do it?
haveing problems with my 0.1% lows
did same testrun as you on streets with 170 avg fps and 130 1%lows
but my 0.1% low was 62
any help is greatly appreciated : )
I'm not seeing a pbo limits setting on my Asus tuf B650-e board. Running the latest bios. Is this an issue?
Will this preset work fine for running Star Citizen with a rtx4070 TI Super, 64gb ddr5 c40, crucial t705 2tb, corsair h150 cooling, gigabyte x870 aurus elite mtb with the latest bios
If I have a Teamgroup EXPERT DDR5 48GB 6400MHz CL32 [32-39-39-84]1.35v kit how would the settings differ? do i increase the system memory multiplier to 64?
Quick question, does disabling smt mode help on every game? Or is it only for tarkov. And if I'm using process lasso to disable smt for tarkov, is disabling smt on motherboard still necessary?
Why in some games like Thronz and liberty or STALKER but in loading shaders for stalker my cpu is used 100% ? This used is just for stalker when he was loading shaders in loading screen but in Throns and Liberty in a main city sometimes my processor goes up to 80/90% used sometimes not , is 9800x3d and all cores are 5225 mhz ? Is it oke or ? I played 1920x1080
The turbo gamemode makes my games stutter like hell. No clue why
Hello, is this Kingston kit KF564C32BWEAK2-64 Hynix a-die? Generally how do you indentify if a kit is hynix a-die? Thanks for the video!
What does the sticker on one of your RAM-Sticks say? We might find that out pretty fast
@@DeadMar0z Late reply, actually i dont have it in my hands, was just checking the kits for my next upgrade. Looks like all the CL30-32 are the good ones i suppose.
Got a question my system is ryzen 7 7700 non x with 32gb ram 5600 at cl28 in first set of timings last number on mine is 96 will it hurt anything if I drop it down to 28 same as my first number?
yeah it probably won't run without changing some of the other settings i'm guessing
After all of this i started crashing on bo6. I uave 6000mhz ram 32gb and that might jist be the only difference. Any suggestions?
try lowering undervolt or revert RAM to regular XMP/EXPO settings
I currently have a Ryzen 7 5800x …is it pointless to switch to a ryzen 7 5700x3d for tarkov?
You would actually benefit from a boost greatly, I switched from a 5800x to a 5800x3d when it was on a big sale, and in labs I can hit like 200 to 300ish frames. On maps like woods I average around 150 to 250 etc. The only map I struggled with was streets but, that is the most demanding map.
You can check out his other videos but, this game is geniuenly really cpu/ram dependent. Especially on the vcache. That would be a massive upgrade for you in tarkov and many other vcache heavy games like farcry 6 or Baulders gate 3 too if you are thinking of doing a small upgrade for now.
@ I watched his 5700x3d vs 5800x3d comparison and will probably upgrade to the 5700x3d simply because I can’t find any 5800x3d’s. And it’s basically the same performance for cheaper …more or less.
Omg -60??? Mine freezes 5 minutes into cinebench multi-core at -25. I keep at -15 for guaranteed stability. No difference in 4K gaming performance on these margins for me anyway. Either way, great video walkthrough.
This was cool…
thank you!
@@pyurologie would u give me a few tips on the volts after I finish deliding my 9800x3D ? thanks
You should max out your tREF 65535 if u can
😂😂 Cat is a dumbass
Thanks brother ❤❤❤
Thank you too
Pc dont boot after this setting
I m sitting here dont find cmos battery its say ec for 4 hours any help?
you can reset cmos and try lower settings lmk if u want suggestions
@SpYBukkit what motherboard do you have
@@pyurologie im in discord :(