I've been wanting an RV9 for a long while, using a Yamaha 3cyl Turbo engine. If it "has" to fly upside down, the RV14 would be my choice. Velocity would be my ultimate build, but takes much longer than a Van's.
That's a good dilema to have. I heard somewhere that you can't use an experimental for charity flight work. If that is a factor, you'd have to keep the Piper. in that case, go with the RV8. If not do the Velocity. That thing is sweet, and I can't say anyone else on RUclips has built one... That may be a detriment to you as a builder though, since there are significantly fewer Velocity's and a lot smaller knowledge pool.
I would build an airplane with retractable gear like your Arrow, they’re more efficient, but I live in Europe with high gas prices. Lancair, or Velocity with a Delta Hawk engine have been my dream, but Velocity has some disadvantages when it comes to icing (I live in icing Sweden) and both need quite long runways. Metal airplane seems to have a longer lifetime, so a RV my be a good choice, but they have no retractable gear (but are quite efficient anyway). Delta Hawk diesel engines have been in business surprising long time so they may work. You seems to live in a warm climate so Velocity may be the airplane you need and can replace your Arrow completely and then reduce your cost. You can put in regular Continental and Lycoming as well and they can’t be so hard to build and I think you will love their efficiency in the long run (would be more interesting to see you building one also, they’re not so common). Since you’re very well experienced pilot, insurance cannot be so expensive? Nice channel!
Thank you for all of that great feedback and information. The RV's are so aerodynamic and light, that the extra weight from retractable gear would probably negate the aerodynamic gain. Again, thanks for commenting and for watching!
Velocity insurance will be 6x the cost of an Arrow if you can get it. You will also have to constantly be buying props, as all take damage even if just sitting still.
Loved the restoration videos and this Oshkosh video. For AngelFlight, though, we can only fly certified aircraft, so best to have the Arrow and a sporty acrobatic RV.
BTW, asked a few times at the AngelFlight Town Halls to consider adding Experimentals, as I also have a Sling TSI High Wing on order and that is probably safer than my 40 year old Cessna.@@BlueSkyFlight
Going to reveal that in a video soon. I really appreciate your watching. Glad you enjoyed it. I’ve been busier than usual with work the last couple of months, but shot a new video on Sunday. Posting that this week with more to come.
RV8 is a great for cruising if your passenger is OK with tandem. Most shoulder space and room, and most fun when your alone, Only downside, not great platform for training
I have wondered why they havn't UPSIZED it even more and make it a VELOCITY STARSHIP 2500 ;) and did the BEECH STARSHIP 2000 in ''kit'' form, or partial build kit......... BEECH 2000 (Starship) was on MY wall not a labomo
@@alexmikhael5061 Now you are talking upwards of $600K. It will be interesting to watch the prototype's progress. I've always wanted to see economical GA turbines, however on most airplanes, these TBS TP100's would be a bit weak, but the twin V they're OK.
Your next project could be stripping and painting the Arrow and/or a panel refresh if you'd so desire. My favorites in EAB circle are the Sling TSI and the Lancair ES which someone with your piloting experience would absolutely love. Excellent reviews from Sling builders. You did review some great options out there.
Thanks for all of that. I have heard good stuff about the sling. I thought about paint and panel, but the money I would spend on that is close to the cost of the kit for the 8. I’d like to update the paint scheme, but hard to justify it because the paint is in really good shape overall. As for the panel, I wouldn’t mind that, but again just hard to justify the cost if I’m going to build something. Thanks for all of your thoughts on this!
Do you want comfort and ability to get somewhere quickly, or more sport flying? Gonna have to make up your mind. Take you places economically and comfortably and cover ground fast would be a Velocity. Good news is new avionics are cheep for uncert A/C. What do you do for a living? Is travel required? PS. I wrote Velocity even before looking at the caption above. and they will do a great job of helping you the most to do final assembly.
Yeah the velocity kind of check all the boxes… travel, speed, comfort, 4 seats, and aerobatic.. not sure if I really want all the resin fun every day or not though. But I’ve had my eye on that thing for 20 years. I fly commercially for my job, so this is more for fun and personal travel. And the problem is I like all types of flying, lol.
Oh yes... the L-39 has definitely been a consideration... also thought about buying and restoring a warbird of some kind... Leaning toward a kit build for the enjoyment (headache) of the build process. I know its a lot, and will take several years, but still looks like something that would be very rewarding in the end.
And have you ever built or assisted a build before? As I'm sure you know it's a huge project that will take years. Even with a quick build option and a simple build, most people will spend 3-4 years of all their free time building. I started an RV6 many years ago (before prepunching) and after two years of nothing but building any moment I could, I burnt out and sold it. I was tired of not having a life outside of the shop. I'm only mentioning because when you throw that Velocity into the mix, now you're talking a whole different commitment level and many years, unless you're having someone build it for you. I think you should also consider the RV7A. Smaller and sportier, potentially a quicker build. Only issue would be if you want to put two really big people into it. And on the RV8A, the person in the back will be a passenger and some people don't care for that. Very few are built with full rear seat controls.@@BlueSkyFlight I currently fly a Decathlon and am on the verge of buying an RV4 as a second faster sport plane. I know I don't want to spend the time building again.
This would be my first build. Yes I know about the time it takes, but not in a hurry - kind of like the ultimate lego kit.. Having the arrow to feed the flying bug during the build will help I think. Thanks for all the info. I'm sure it can get old after a while. About half way through the Arrow renovation, I was kind of like "I want to fly my plane".. but like I said, at least I will have a working plane while I build. know its a big commitment for sure. The 7 is a nice airplane, I've looked at several. I think if I was going to build a 2 seat side-by-side, it would be the 14 for the extra room. If I build the 8, it would be mostly for me as a fun airplane, I know the rear seat wouldn't be much fun for x-country for the passenger. Decisions... decisions... lol
Obviously you have to decide what your primary mission is... But my mission and flying desire leans directly at the RV-10. I like the idea of having a lift and haul capability, because you never know when you may have to Jam.
Yeah my problem is too many missions, lol. But yes I agree.. need to narrow that. I agree about the lift. I love the 10… but every now and then I want to go upside down, and it’s not built for that. That’s what led me to the 14, but then you lose the back seats… and round and round I go. Lol… thanks for the feedback
one of each a piper and the 8 enjoy them both
Thank you
I've been wanting an RV9 for a long while, using a Yamaha 3cyl Turbo engine. If it "has" to fly upside down, the RV14 would be my choice. Velocity would be my ultimate build, but takes much longer than a Van's.
Thank you for all of that.
honestly probably the 14, or 8. I would try to ride in each and see what you think.
Definitely planning to do sone rides.. thanks for the feedback
RV10 has the seats and cargo.Would produce a lot of content for the channel with how to vids.
Good points. Thank you
That's a good dilema to have. I heard somewhere that you can't use an experimental for charity flight work. If that is a factor, you'd have to keep the Piper. in that case, go with the RV8. If not do the Velocity. That thing is sweet, and I can't say anyone else on RUclips has built one... That may be a detriment to you as a builder though, since there are significantly fewer Velocity's and a lot smaller knowledge pool.
All good points. I’ll check into the experimental issue. Thank you for the feedback
I would build an airplane with retractable gear like your Arrow, they’re more efficient, but I live in Europe with high gas prices. Lancair, or Velocity with a Delta Hawk engine have been my dream, but Velocity has some disadvantages when it comes to icing (I live in icing Sweden) and both need quite long runways. Metal airplane seems to have a longer lifetime, so a RV my be a good choice, but they have no retractable gear (but are quite efficient anyway). Delta Hawk diesel engines have been in business surprising long time so they may work.
You seems to live in a warm climate so Velocity may be the airplane you need and can replace your Arrow completely and then reduce your cost. You can put in regular Continental and Lycoming as well and they can’t be so hard to build and I think you will love their efficiency in the long run (would be more interesting to see you building one also, they’re not so common). Since you’re very well experienced pilot, insurance cannot be so expensive? Nice channel!
Thank you for all of that great feedback and information. The RV's are so aerodynamic and light, that the extra weight from retractable gear would probably negate the aerodynamic gain. Again, thanks for commenting and for watching!
Velocity insurance will be 6x the cost of an Arrow if you can get it. You will also have to constantly be buying props, as all take damage even if just sitting still.
Great feedback. Thanks for all of that!
Loved the restoration videos and this Oshkosh video. For AngelFlight, though, we can only fly certified aircraft, so best to have the Arrow and a sporty acrobatic RV.
I was going to look into that… thanks very much for sharing the info. That helps a lot… and thanks for watching!
BTW, asked a few times at the AngelFlight Town Halls to consider adding Experimentals, as I also have a Sling TSI High Wing on order and that is probably safer than my 40 year old Cessna.@@BlueSkyFlight
Velocity fits all the bills.
It really does… just not sure if I want to do all that glass work… kinda messy
Found your channel yesterday and have been binge watching it….
So what did you decide to get?
Going to reveal that in a video soon. I really appreciate your watching. Glad you enjoyed it. I’ve been busier than usual with work the last couple of months, but shot a new video on Sunday. Posting that this week with more to come.
Man, keep the arrow after all that work to sell it ???
I hear you. She was a labor of love for sure. If I do sell it would be a few years down the road for sure.
I’d keep the Arrow and build the RV8 to cure your wild side
Thank where I’m leaning…. Most of the time :) thanks!
RV8 is a great for cruising if your passenger is OK with tandem. Most shoulder space and room, and most fun when your alone, Only downside, not great platform for training
Thanks for the feedback!
8 comments, I was LIKE number 8 .... it's AUG.....
but... VELOCITY .... sigh....
Yeah! Lol
I have wondered why they havn't UPSIZED it even more and make it a VELOCITY STARSHIP 2500 ;) and did the BEECH STARSHIP 2000 in ''kit'' form, or partial build kit.........
BEECH 2000 (Starship) was on MY wall not a labomo
Just add rocket engines and catch a ride with spaceX :)
Ahh, man, that Velocity is on my bucket list! It is so cool looking and would fit my needs (and beagles).
Yeah is definitely a comfy ride.
perfect world, that 6 person Velocity V2 with turbines?? wait... that one??? SCHWIIINNGGGGG!!!
@@alexmikhael5061 Now you are talking upwards of $600K. It will be interesting to watch the prototype's progress. I've always wanted to see economical GA turbines, however on most airplanes, these TBS TP100's would be a bit weak, but the twin V they're OK.
Yeah, that would definitely be a bigger project than I would want to tackle :)
i did a search and stuck between the RV and Sling TSI, have you had the Sling in mind ?
I hadn’t, but it is a nice looking plane. I’ll look a little deeper.
Your next project could be stripping and painting the Arrow and/or a panel refresh if you'd so desire. My favorites in EAB circle are the Sling TSI and the Lancair ES which someone with your piloting experience would absolutely love. Excellent reviews from Sling builders. You did review some great options out there.
Thanks for all of that. I have heard good stuff about the sling. I thought about paint and panel, but the money I would spend on that is close to the cost of the kit for the 8. I’d like to update the paint scheme, but hard to justify it because the paint is in really good shape overall. As for the panel, I wouldn’t mind that, but again just hard to justify the cost if I’m going to build something. Thanks for all of your thoughts on this!
Do you want comfort and ability to get somewhere quickly, or more sport flying? Gonna have to make up your mind. Take you places economically and comfortably and cover ground fast would be a Velocity. Good news is new avionics are cheep for uncert A/C. What do you do for a living? Is travel required? PS. I wrote Velocity even before looking at the caption above. and they will do a great job of helping you the most to do final assembly.
Yeah the velocity kind of check all the boxes… travel, speed, comfort, 4 seats, and aerobatic.. not sure if I really want all the resin fun every day or not though. But I’ve had my eye on that thing for 20 years. I fly commercially for my job, so this is more for fun and personal travel. And the problem is I like all types of flying, lol.
@@BlueSkyFlight Well that is a problem. May I suggest a Garrett 731 powered L-39... just kidding, not sure if you are turbine etc
Oh yes... the L-39 has definitely been a consideration... also thought about buying and restoring a warbird of some kind... Leaning toward a kit build for the enjoyment (headache) of the build process. I know its a lot, and will take several years, but still looks like something that would be very rewarding in the end.
How much aerobatic and TW time do you have?
Not a ton but I do enjoy it and would like to do a lot more. Not planning to build the tail wheel version. I like the look of the nose wheel.
And have you ever built or assisted a build before? As I'm sure you know it's a huge project that will take years. Even with a quick build option and a simple build, most people will spend 3-4 years of all their free time building. I started an RV6 many years ago (before prepunching) and after two years of nothing but building any moment I could, I burnt out and sold it. I was tired of not having a life outside of the shop. I'm only mentioning because when you throw that Velocity into the mix, now you're talking a whole different commitment level and many years, unless you're having someone build it for you.
I think you should also consider the RV7A. Smaller and sportier, potentially a quicker build. Only issue would be if you want to put two really big people into it. And on the RV8A, the person in the back will be a passenger and some people don't care for that. Very few are built with full rear seat controls.@@BlueSkyFlight
I currently fly a Decathlon and am on the verge of buying an RV4 as a second faster sport plane. I know I don't want to spend the time building again.
This would be my first build. Yes I know about the time it takes, but not in a hurry - kind of like the ultimate lego kit.. Having the arrow to feed the flying bug during the build will help I think. Thanks for all the info. I'm sure it can get old after a while. About half way through the Arrow renovation, I was kind of like "I want to fly my plane".. but like I said, at least I will have a working plane while I build. know its a big commitment for sure. The 7 is a nice airplane, I've looked at several. I think if I was going to build a 2 seat side-by-side, it would be the 14 for the extra room. If I build the 8, it would be mostly for me as a fun airplane, I know the rear seat wouldn't be much fun for x-country for the passenger. Decisions... decisions... lol
Obviously you have to decide what your primary mission is...
But my mission and flying desire leans directly at the RV-10.
I like the idea of having a lift and haul capability,
because you never know when you may have to Jam.
Yeah my problem is too many missions, lol. But yes I agree.. need to narrow that. I agree about the lift. I love the 10… but every now and then I want to go upside down, and it’s not built for that. That’s what led me to the 14, but then you lose the back seats… and round and round I go. Lol… thanks for the feedback