3 Reasons to NOT Let Your Kids Train in MMA
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Don’t let your kids or teens train or compete in MMA if there is head contact. All concussive trauma is brain damage, brain damage is forever, and kids and teens can’t meaningfully consent to an activity that can have severe lifelong implications. There are safer and better training options for kids and teens that don’t have as high a risk of brain damage and CTE.
Now on the other hand, if you’re an adult and are aware of the consequences then fight, spar, and knock yourself out! I totally support your right to take risks and bear the consequences thereof so long as you’re beating the crap out of other people who have also consented to take the same risks!
Fantastic and extremely important PSA from a seasoned Martial Artist. Parents would do well to heed his warning.
Great points, Stephan! Thanks for your insights 🙏
This is why I've always felt it was legally and morally appalling to let young teens box or do muay thai or contact tae kwondo. I would just edit the title of this video to "3 Reasons to NOT Let Your Kids Train in CONTACT MMA"
Made me give up completely on wanting to compete. Just train striking for myself and fitness now and focus on BJJ and Judo. I just can't bring myself to harm others and at the same time I don't want to hurt my body for superficial reasons. Sometimes I feel like MMA rings are the same as colosseums with gladiators fighting.
I agree with your last line.
I agree wholeheartedly with what you are saying. My even more unpopular opinion is that it is the 21st century, it's time to move past beating each other in the head and calling it a sport.
Agreed.
also kids should not lurn to fight they should lurn to be gentle and kind
thank you, you`re right.
That's a very, very good announcement! When I was a kid we fought a lot, but if someone was on their back we would never have hit them, we won and that was good. Thank you Stephan for these words ❤
You're doing God's work here. Thank you for saying this.
Thanks for the info I was a young mma kid and mui Thai
Hi your book done with B. Mullins arrived to me. I really love it. I'm doing the solo drills at home and trying to memorise and hit the moves in the gym. My game is starting to leveling up. And learned that there are so many new options with skills i have alredy developed.
Agreed 100% - however, having played soccer my entire life I gotta say it’s not from heading ball, except maybe in England, it’s from the head butts, knees to the head, elbows to the head - people see the diving and are fooled Into thinking it’s not rough - only players know how rough it is - we don’t collide every minute but when we do it’s full speed without pads.
It's more, the big goal kick, and trying to head the ball, I fear, is stupid. That big kick up in the air, and, being over competitive to head, the ball. Nope. I heard 'Head on it' shouted, in the playground. Many, times. Yeah! But, I always.
Shout, 'No!' or tried, to shout 'No'.
Sure, it always amazed me. But, worse was attending Kickboxing lessons, really. Just, to be with friends.
Like: "Want to go to a club?"
Me: "Sure!"
But, then. In Kickboxing, club. I got the impression in a different school. They, were having Boxing competitions.
So, that led, to students, trying to organise boxing competitions, which was a really bad idea.
But, no. Actually. In games, sure. We, never had, boxing lessons at all. But, I heard they do one session. For British Army recruits, actually.
But, I heard, The (British) Royal Navy, sometimes had, a Wrestling Competition. And, my Grandfather was the Champ!
@@MrRobertFarr started Taekwondo in the 80’s and we used to kick each other in the head full force all the time for decades. Lots of KO’s - nothing like heading the ball in futbol.
@@FR-ty5vn You can't kick someone hard, usually. With, a high kick surely? YES. I also trained some Tai Kwon Do. With, the son. Of a Taxi Kwon Do man.
@@FR-ty5vn lucky you are still alive! Most Boxers end up as vegetables.
@@FR-ty5vn lucky you are still alive! Most Boxers end up as vegetables.
What do you say about other martial arts?
Concussive head trauma is concussive head trauma no matter what the art is called. So, for example, I am against kids and teens doing full Kyokoshin sparring with punches and kicks o the head. Or TKD sparring with head kicks.
@Stephan Kesting What are your thoughts on American football, and Rugby? In terms of head contact and meaningful consent. Its a very interesting conversation. Thank you
I respect Mr. Kesting’s opinion. But there are ways to train to strike without brain damage. There’s headgear, lighter sparring, to the body sparring, and grappling too. And as far as whether someone gets brain damage, a lot of that has to do with how good you are too. If you’re good, you have top defense, top cardio, and top offense to minimize the damage to your brain. If you’re not good, you shouldn’t be there.
Sure, I agree that that's a good approach for adults who can (presumably) assess the risk and decide to accept the consequences. I don't believe that's something that kids and most teens can do.
@@StephanKesting Assuming that the teens want to learn the discipline or already have some, with headgear on and only going to the body, I can’t imagine this would cause significant damage. I’m also assuming their instructors wouldn’t let them do such sparring without having the discipline not to hit each other in the head if they’re just going to the body. It’s possible to do light sparring too. I would agree that a 25 year old man hard sparring or fighting someone under 18 seems like a bad idea. But as mentioned there are ways for the kids to prepare their striking without such damage before then.
Title of this is a bit misleading. You can train MMA as a kid, just not make them do full contact, as in sparring with each other and hitting each other in the head. You can still train MMA without having kids go through those.
I don’t disagree. Sparring without head contact is a nuance that is hard to put into a title, which is why I discussed it in the video and also was more clear about it in the video description
Do u think bjj puts u at risk. Or even judo when standing and taking a fall
All activity involves risk, as does inactivity. That being said, concussions in BJJ are quite rare. Concussions in Judo are sadly more common - it’s how I got my own very first concussion. The thing is that brain damage in judo has not been studied as extensively as brain damage in boxing and soccer, and thus it is hard to tell exactly how widespread it is
@@StephanKesting thank you for ur reply.
@@StephanKesting Every judo practitioner has been rattled by a throw. I saw a competitor get knocked clean out at a tournament over the weekend. It happens. However, it has to be safer than willingly taking kicks and punches to the head.
I guess those muay thai kid fighters in Thailand all got a raw deal.
Yes, I do believe they did.
They certainly did. How many of them really chose that lifestyle as opposed to it being forced onto them by poverty or other factors.
Absolutely right 👍
Thanks for repeating this message. A lot of MMA fighters have memory loss but don’t admit it. Some fighters develop brain damage with only a few fights. I used to box when I was in college. One day I was speaking with one of my training partners and realized I was not able to understand him due to worsening slurring of his speech. I cleaned out my locker the next day. I am now very happy training Jiu-Jitsu with my brain intact.
I trend in cull fontact AAM as an ageteener and it never dun't me any bad
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I HAD too train MMA. I was getting bullied relentlessly. I would've killed myself if it wasn't for MMA.
For anybody who doesn't care: Last time i was tested 135IQ.
@Bad Bucko That test was years after training MMA.
I'm not showing any symptoms of any concussion related illness.
@@thisismyname8627 How old are you ? I don't want to scare you, but it will often show up later in life. In any event the more exposure you have to head trauma the higher the risk. So if you just did some training and amateur MMA it isn't going to be anywhere near as risky as a pro who had dozens of fights. There's people that smoke cigarettes and live to 90, but it doesn't mean that smoking isn't dangerous. Bullying is terrible and it is good that MMA helped you, but other people being bullied could consider sports like Wrestling, BJJ, Judo and so on. Also it's fine to train striking using mittwork, heavy bag etc.
Frankly, even most adults can't truly give informed consent in the honest meaningful sense since even adults' perceptions of reality are warped and filtered through the various forms of media, which are controlled by a malevolent group with their own particular interests.
Great video, always love your content! Interesting, talking about kids unable to give informed consent- you just made the case against putting kids on hormone blockers and engaging in genial mutilation. The point you make here about kids doing mma is a great analogy for that!
OK, I have very little faith that this will be an honest discussion, but let me illustrate why these two situations are quite different.
1) no young kids are having genital surgery. That happens much later.
2) When a 12 year old is put on hormone blockers it is to DELAY puberty. It is to give that individual another 6-10 years to make an intelligent decision. If the person chooses not to go through with the transition then they come off the puberty blockers and puberty proceeds as normal. These medications have been used for decades by children who go into puberty too early
3) During that time the individual in question meets with doctors, counselors, and has many conversations with their parents. There is a tremendous amount of informing that is done, so that the ultimate decision is informed consent
4) I very much doubt that you will do so, but if you actually want to learn of the science behind this (as opposed to parroting half truths from Fox News and evangelical organizations) then I suggest you check out episode 370 of the strenuous life podcast
I think, brain damage. Can, heal. It's normal to, feel a bit woozy. Wobbly, groggy.
I think a person, can recover. From, a surprise attack. I got punched, a few times, but after a while. You, are kind of recovered hopefully.
Surely, yes. In sparring. Definitely for, under 16s it should be, no chances, of. Head injuries. He, is right there is, an issue with consent there and, well.
I am exploring the, ideas around consent and, when brain growth has actually Finnished. With, people. Maybe, assuming that, all kids, might be like themselves perhaps? Or, if there are any reliable studies out there on brain development.
@Bad Bucko I was out of breath!
It might be more “dangerous”, however there are much more stringent protocols and procedures to check for signs of brain injury and keeping fighters safe. If a opponent is injured the ref steps in. In football you make the play and wait until ten 200lbs+ people have jumped on to your concussed head before you try to hide it, because the refs have too much to look for with the game and your health will go right over their head. It’s not the safest sport in the world, but then again what is safe these days?
3 Reasons to NOT Let Your (Kids) Train in MMA.
He is talking about KIDS.
Teens are another story though. Not sure if he includes a Teens or not.
It is tragic that even sub-concussive trauma has been shown to cause brain damage. For example in boxing it’s not how many times you’ve been knocked out (ie the big shots), it’s how many rounds of sparring you’ve done (lots of little shots) that determine the level of brain damage.
A brain injury is a brain injury. Having protocols for identifying AFTER THE FACT that you are ruined is cold comfort. Also, the micro tears that don't warrant interventions add up. Just ask Mohamad Ali.
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Heavy drinking causes brain damage too. I know almost most teens do that, more so than sparring. I'm pretty sure most of us watching this vidieo did when we were younger as well as a lotnof other wreckless things.. I'm sure a lot of us took up Karateor some other form of striking martial art as kids and are just fine as adults know in the cognitieve department. IJS
You will notice that I did not encourage children and teenagers to engage in heavy drinking in this video. Hopefully if I ever make a video on that topic you will help spread the word
In pure bjj you can also have brain damage with the choke . And also lot of damage to the ligament etc…
Brain damage from chokes is pretty rare. Somebody would need to hold a choke for longer than four minutes which is the point at which brain damage from hypoxia typically occurs. And I don’t know about you, but I would rather go through life with an elbow at half function that a brain at half function
@@StephanKesting accident can happen very quick with choke …Long time before I choke out in a judo ne-waza sparring another judo black belt who forgot (or maybe no have the time?) to tap .Hopefully I feel than he not moving and stop defend himself and I stop my choke and he recover very quick .
In my opinion I had more painfully accident with my bjj practice than with my boxing . (Maybe by the fact than I train and,fight in boxing in my 20 and begin bjj after 35 ).
I love bjj but my ligament seem not love it….