Jehovah's Witnesses, Disproving Jesus Raised a Spirit
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Chicken Scratch Apologetics. Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus was raised as a Spirit Creature. They deny his resurrection was physical. Is that what the Bible teaches, or are they just trying to cover other false doctrines.
One of the usual opponents of these messages once told me that Jesus manufactured a physical body and put the nail and spear marks on it to convince the disciples that he had been raised. That seems like he was accusing Jesus of deception. In response to Jesus saying "Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have" (Luke 24:39), he said that Jesus was talking about an evil spirit or ghost. He was denying being a specific kind of spirit, not totally ruling out being a spirit. To be fair, the Greek term there could be interpreted in that way, but it feels a lot like cherry-picking given how often that term means something else in other places in the Bible. It's one assumption made to support another. They have to do that. If they let the Greek term mean what it means in so many other places, they are once again making Jesus out to be a liar. After all, he's explicitly denying being a spirit , not a specific type of spirit.
1 TIM 6:16 - says "he one alone having immortality,s who dwells in unapproachable light,t whom no man has seen or can see." NOTICE, NO MAN CAN SEE NOR EVEN DWELL IN THE UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT. JESUS can see and live in that Light, so JESUS IS NOT PART OF THAT MAN AND NOR A MAN (human being in Original Greek). If Jesus remained as HUMAN , then u r saying 1 tim 6:16 is a LIE. Jesus DWELLS AND CAN SEE THAT LIGHT, but it says NO MAN (HUMAN BEING) CAN SEE. No exceptions. To be able to see that LIGHT and DWELL IN THAT LIGHT. JESUS IS NOT A MAN(human being) anymore.
Just one of the signs
Go back to school. Learn to read
G 'day again D H, I really liked your comment on the Conmen. It's a point I have never considered. It's true what you said, any conman could come along and say "I'm the Risen Jesus". In JW thought, I think that is what is happening.
Also Luke was a Doctor, I think most people forget Luke is describing what he is an expert in. Confirming the miraculous raising of a Body from the viewpoint of a Medical Doctor.
Say it with me :
“Nooooo..... NO!”
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This was so informative and helpful! I just spent 3 hours playing on low speed, looking up scriptures and seeing the logic. I took extensive notes and everything you are saying rings completely true in context with the Bible! Thank you for this 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Great Message D H, I hope you are feeling better.
As I have asked JWs so many times, if Jesus had wanted to convey to the Church that his resurrection was a "raised spirit", why did He include so many details like Seeing, Touching, Tasting and Hearing?:
1) They were startled and frightened, thinking they SAW a ghost.
2) “Why are you troubled?
3)LOOK at My hands and My feet.
4) It is I myself! TOUCH ME AND SEE
5) a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you SEE I have.
6)He SHOWED them his hands and feet
7)Do you have anything here to eat?
8)They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and He TOOK IT AND ATE IT in their presence.
Jesus is not doing a very good job of convincing them, (or Us) that He was raised a spirit.
Again in John 20
1) But he said to them, “Unless I SEE the nail marks in HIS HANDS and put MY FINGER where the nails were, and PUT MY HAND into HIS SIDE, I will not believe.”
2)Then he said to Thomas, “Put YOUR FINGER here; SEE my hands. Reach out YOUR HAND and put it into MY SIDE. Stop doubting and believe.”
3)Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Jesus again is doing a pathetic job of convincing me or anyone else that he was raised a spirit. He's asking the Disciples to use their PHYSICAL SENSES to confirm his Physical Bodily Resurrection.
Christ is Demonstrating the use of the Senses
1)Eyesight
2)Hearing
3)Touch
4)Taste
Christ is the Greatest Teacher ever, and has clearly demonstrated He rose Physically.
Jesus showed up as A MAN just like the angels did when they ATE with Abraham,. So you think Jesus is powerless to not be able to became a man again? 1 Cor 15 shows HE BECAME A LIFE GIVING WHAT? SPIRIT
gal 1:1 - nor through a man, but through Jesus Christ notice NOR THROUGH A MAN
@@Mr.DC3.1914
The promise from the Father was a resurrection of the BODY. The prophets prophecied a resurrection of the BODY, that is the promise, not a resurrection of the "spirit."
@@mattmurdock2868Jesus went to Heaven. ("Flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom." - 1 Corinthians 15:50) He IS a spirit. You have to sweep too many verses under the carpet to deny that. The Annointed (144,000) also get resurrrected to Heaven in spirit bodies. The Great Crowd will remain on earth in physical bodies, as will those resurrected after Armageddon.
@@Mr.DC3.1914when did Jesus make Paul an apostle? Before he went to heaven or after?
What’s the context of this video? The scripture you used clearly doesn’t like up with any of the questions I raised
The first challenge all JWs have, if they really start searching for truth, is the NWT of the Bible. When I read an NASB for the first time, I couldn’t believe what I was reading. You cannot find truth in NWT.
Thanks for your videos!
G'day Austin, I agree 100 percent with your views on the NASB compared to the NWT.
I have both the NASB 77 and NASB 95.
I just received the NASB 2020 2 days ago in the Super Giant Print font size 16.
As 1 reviewer said "you can read this bible from the next state" the font is that large. I love the new NASB 2020, in my opinion only, I find it a little bit easier to read, more flowing.
As you stated above, the NWT is not a bible with the Truth in it. Just an awful and diabolical translation.
@@RowanTasmanian I read that they were sued for doing this, they purchased the rights and then altered the bible to back their doctrines, why it’s so hard to reason with them. They have been instilling fear into them to not dare to look at any other bible, it’s too hard, I have found scriptures changed and one time an added scripture, I was really upset but as Jesus says that “ Not one can be snatched away from God that is his, that’s comforting.
@@davidagnew8792 Here you go, I'll have Dr Julius Mantey the famous Greek Translator along with Dr Walter Martin tell you.
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After viewing this can you please advise me who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
1) Charles Taze Russell
2) 144,000
3) The Remnant
4) The Watchtower Magazine
5) all Jehovah's Witnesses
6) The Governing Body.
7) Joseph Rutherford
Who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave that the Watchtower Society declared in 1919 was Chosen by Jesus and Jehovah.
Who is this Slave?
Who is This Slave please?
@@davidagnew8792 you can start with 2nd chronicles chapter 5 I cannot see clear but you can start by reading that in context. You seem to need to read the whole Bible, just one verse is not enough if it were then why is the bible so full of books and scriptures, it took. a master writer(God) to get all he deemed important and the great God of confusion to cause false religion to be so confusing, if it were not confusing then why was jesus here? Satan is working hard to mislead the entire earth, not one religion But all religions, all of them beyond blind. Oh my, I never heard that before but beyond blind is p good title for a book but no way is the arch angel Michael Jesus. God would not replace Jesus with no other. That is Gods son!! Use your heart of reasoning. See revelations. The whole book and find the scriptures that explain the first 1000 years, not the fantasy , it’s very clear , God is not capable of lying, he dose not change, no need for new light , it’s all there in the bible , even how he spits out the Luke warm from his mouth, that’s there in revelations. the final book is the one that helped me see so many false teachings, I’m amazed they cannot see, those that have eyes to see, and ears to hear, even the blind can purchase an audio of the bible and play it on the DVD player, no excuse,
@@davidagnew8792 please note how the GB is working not only to install massive fear but to impress they are in the place of Jesus , no one can replace Jesus He is perfect, yet they insist we follow them. Jesus says “do not follow men. !! “. They all follow these men as they are taken to the 2nd. Resserection. The one that is to desth
These vids are just excellent - thanks so much for all the work you put into them.
The absurdness of this feels demonic. Because why? Why do they misunderstand so completely.
What do they "misunderstand"?
How is this even a question. The Bible directly speaks of this.
1 Cor 15:42 So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. 44 It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Jesus is the last Adam. Jesus is now in heaven, in the kingdom of God, where flesh and blood cannot inherit.
From that same chapter. 50 But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom,
Did you watch it? Can you address what I said in the content?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry No, but I have seen this argument several times. And without question Jesus was resurrected with a spirit body as the verse I provided shows. But I will watch it now and comment.
:38 Jesus, as a spirit creature, was able to materialize physical bodies, like the angels were able to in the past. Jesus did this to ease their tensions that he was not a wicked spirit, or apparition. Did you notice he appeared behind locked doors?
5:05 No, Adam did not have that. And he died. Immortal means cannot die.
Around 6:00 I saw your explanation of the verse I provided, but it just sounds like cognitive dissonance. IMO
7:20 Receiving holy spirit and having a spirit body are two different things.
And you appear confused when the Bible uses the word spiritual. Like in spiritual food. Yes, spirit can mean many different things, but having a spirit body is not ambiguous.
8:00 About 1914 we have both a specific Bible prophesy, pointing to this time as the end of the gentile times, when God would set up His Kingdom, and install His King. And we see the fulfillment of the sign Jesus gave that would indicate his presence, and the conclusion of this system of things.
Sorry, but your video seems a lot like copium.
@@777Tralfaz777 Glad you watched it, here's my response.
:38 Jesus, as a spirit creature, was able to materialize physical bodies, like the angels were able to in the past. Jesus did this to ease their tensions that he was not a wicked spirit, or apparition. Did you notice he appeared behind locked doors?
>Jesus walked on water, defying physics, he was making himself unseen to them, plus, ( you don’t believe this but it’s biblical ) He’s God, and he is perfectly capable of appearing anywhere he wants, which apparently glorified flesh can do.
5:05 No, Adam did not have that. And he died. Immortal means cannot die.
>JW’s believe that adam was created perfect and couldn’t die until sin came into the earth. Also why does this mean he’s a spirit creature. Which text says only spirit creatures are immortal?
Around 6:00 I saw your explanation of the verse I provided, but it just sounds like cognitive dissonance. IMO
>Your opinion is wrong. Read Phil 2:5-11, Hebrews 2, John 1,
7:20 Receiving holy spirit and having a spirit body are two different things.
And you appear confused when the Bible uses the word spiritual. Like in spiritual food. Yes, spirit can mean many different things, but having a spirit body is not ambiguous.
>Where does the Bible say that Christ now has a “spirit body”?
8:00 About 1914 we have both a specific Bible prophesy, pointing to this time as the end of the gentile times, when God would set up His Kingdom, and install His King. And we see the fulfillment of the sign Jesus gave that would indicate his presence, and the conclusion of this system of things.
>How did Christ start reigning in 1914 when he was already reigning in 30AD? Matthew 28:18-19, Hebrews 10:12-13, 1 Cor 15:25. Only WItnesses believe this, with no evidence. There is no prophecy for 1914, you can watch my content on that.
Sorry, but your video seems a lot like copium.
>Might seem that way to you, but to many others it’s called Biblical exegesis.
What’s your response to Luke 24:39, when Jesus said he’s NOT a spirit, how to you reconcile that?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry You said about Jesus "He’s God, "
No sir. He is God's Son. He was able to preform miracles by mean of God's holy spirit. Which proved God supported him. John 8:54 Jesus answered: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, the one who you say is your God.
Who did the Jews claim was their God? He was also Jesus' God.
John 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
You said "JW’s believe that adam was created perfect and couldn’t die until sin came into the earth."
Yes, that he would have lived forever, or have everlasting life if he was able to eat from the tree of life. However, he would always rely on God's provisions for life. Like food, water, and air.
Jesus was sinless, and could have lived forever as a man, but was still "corruptible" in that he could be pierced and die. 1 Cor 15 shows the spirit body is incorruptible.
You said "Your opinion is wrong."
😅 It is clear what 1 Cor 15 42- is saying.
(Philippians 2:5-11) Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, did not even consider the idea of trying to be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human. 8 More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake. 9 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend-of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground- 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
This show Jesus was not God, but a spirit prior to coming to earth, and indicates being given a better position then previously, by his God and Father. I am not sure how you think this supports your view.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry You said ">Where does the Bible say that Christ now has a “spirit body”?"
The verse I first provided. "42 So it is with the resurrection of the dead. ...44 It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. ...The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
You said ">How did Christ start reigning in 1914 when he was already reigning in 30AD?"
Jesus was Lord of the Christian congregation, but the kingdom was not set up at that time.
You said "There is no prophecy for 1914, you can watch my content on that."
There is a prophesy that pointed to that date. The 7 times prophesy in Daniel.
You said ">Might seem that way to you, but to many others it’s called Biblical exegesis."
Closer to eisegesis.
You said "What’s your response to Luke 24:39, when Jesus said he’s NOT a spirit, how to you reconcile that?"
I did address that I believe. I said "Jesus did this to ease their tensions that he was not a wicked spirit, or apparition. Did you notice he appeared behind locked doors?"
It was necessary for Christ to die a physical death for 2 reasons 1) To provide the Ransom and 2) To enable him to ascend back to heaven. Point 2) is esssential because apostle Paul said that - "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corithians 15:50) that is, mortal human bodies cannot exist or live in heaven and the resurrected Jesus was no exception to this rule. He materialized in different human bodies to show himself to his disciples like angels had previously done.(Mark 16:12)
Well you didnt pay attention to the scripture-who told the risen lord has blood??
His blood was the ransom..
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom not flesh and bone...
@@Fjmaster2023 its the same whether Flesh & blood or Flesh & bone. Its talking about mortal human bodies contrasted with spirit ones as Paul said. He points out that mortal bodies cannot exist in heaven. And Christ by dying as an accused criminal shed his human blood once and for all time. - Hebews 9:12
Thank you for this, I have family in this cult, trying to wake them up is harder then a bee telling a fly that honey is better then shit, wow, I can’t get a word in about Jesus, they hang up on me every time, frustrating
Mark Twain once said it’s easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled. Praying now for God to save your family members.
G'day Rita, thanks for comment. May I suggest an absolutely brilliant book on the problem you are facing with your family.
The book is titles "Tactics" by Greg Koukl. it describes how to question your family about their beliefs instead of your trying to convince them.
Everyone in the Apologetics field has a copy. It gets your opponent to have to think about a question you asked. It forces the brain of your opponent to have to supply reasons for believing in this or that.
I would be happy to send a copy to a PO Box if you don't have the resources (free of charge).
It really is a game changer and instead of you getting angry or frustrated with their mindset, you keep on asking pertinent questions.
Greg Koukl is one of the Church's greatest Apologists endorsed by Dr Frank Turek and many others.
Did Jesus remain A MAN? . What does the Bible say? Rev 2, 3:22 called Jesus a spirit. 1 Cor 15 called Jesus a LIFE GIVING SPIRIT.
1 TIM 6:16 - says "he one alone having immortality,s who dwells in unapproachable light,t whom no man has seen or can see." NOTICE, NO MAN CAN SEE NOR EVEN DWELL IN THE UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT. JESUS can see and live in that Light, so JESUS IS NOT PART OF THAT MAN AND NOR A MAN (human being in Original Greek). If Jesus remained as HUMAN , then u r saying 1 tim 6:16 is a LIE. Jesus DWELLS AND CAN SEE THAT LIGHT, but it says NO MAN (HUMAN BEING) CAN SEE. No exceptions. To be able to see that LIGHT and DWELL IN THAT LIGHT. JESUS IS NOT A MAN(human being) anymore.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Where's Musi my masquerading Friend
@@RowanTasmanian u have such a twisted mind, well well well
No,NOOOO LOL love it
Thank you 👍❤️
There also isn't a verse that says Jesus has blood. Being that he's no longer mortal, he wouldn't have blood. Flesh and bones, no blood.
1 Cor 15:42 So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. 44 It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Good stuff 👏 👍
A related point. Greek words for body, sarx. : a physical body unit, corpse. Soma: the body according to its parts. SOMA. CAN ALSO REFER TO THE BODY OF A SPIRITUAL BEING.
After Jesus’
Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh or Spirit?
After Jesus' Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh or Spirit?
The Bible’s answer
The Bible says that Jesus “was put to death in the flesh but made alive [resurrected] in the spirit.”-1 Peter 3:18; Acts 13:34; 1 Corinthians 15:45; 2 Corinthians 5:16.
Jesus’ own words showed that he would not be resurrected with his flesh-and-blood body. He said that he would give his “flesh in behalf of the life of the world,” as a ransom for mankind. (John 6:51; Matthew 20:28) If he had taken back his flesh when he was resurrected, he would have canceled that ransom sacrifice. This could not have happened, though, for the Bible says that he sacrificed his flesh and blood “once for all time.”-Hebrews 9:11, 12.
If Jesus was raised up with a spirit body, how could his disciples see him?
Spirit creatures can take on human form. For example, angels who did this in the past even ate and drank with humans. (Genesis 18:1-8; 19:1-3) However, they still were spirit creatures and could leave the physical realm.-Judges 13:15-21.
After his resurrection, Jesus also assumed human form temporarily, just as angels had previously done. As a spirit creature, though, he was able to appear and disappear suddenly. (Luke 24:31; John 20:19, 26) The fleshly bodies that he materialized were not identical from one appearance to the next. Thus, even Jesus’ close friends recognized him only by what he said or did.-Luke 24:30, 31, 35; John 20:14-16; 21:6, 7.
When Jesus appeared to the apostle Thomas, he took on a body with wound marks. He did this to bolster Thomas’ faith, since Thomas doubted that Jesus had been raised up.-John 20:24-29.
You copied this word from word from the Watchtower, which I debunked in the video.
The Jehovah's Witnesses are engaging in Spiritism.
Mary Magdalene was the first to SEE him.
The belief that someone can see spirits is called Spiritism which includes consultation with mediums who communicate with the dead and spirits.
This practice is forbidden by Deuteronomy 18 : 9 through 12 and Levitucus 19 : 31.
By seeing Jesus as a spirit only is saying that Mary was a medium. The Bible clearly condemns that practice.
St. Thomas touched JESUS. Spirits cannot be touched.
St. Mary Magdalene and St. Thomas did not communicate with spirits.
The Bible doesn't contradict itself. Either Spiritism is a sin or it isn't. The Jehovah's Witnesses are spiritists.
I think you're taking that a bit far. Who told Mary that she would give birth to the Messiah? Did that make her a medium?
@@evanwindom3265when an angel is seen, they are physical beings and here is why.... Angels can take on human form so that they can be seen just as Gabriel did when making the announcement to Mary. Hebrews 13 : 2 says "Some have entertained angels without knowing it".
The scriptures tell us that the angels who visited Sodom and Gomorrah were seen as men by the citizens there. Angels are not only spirit beings. We would be aware that we are entertaining angels if they were spirits. That would be too obvious. One eyes cannot perceive anything that isn't physical.
@@evanwindom3265 it's also a matter of physics why we cannot see spirits. Therefore JESUS could only be a physical being as well when he was raised. The wounds on the body of JESUS were physical. St. Thomas couldn't have touched them if he was a spirit. Even in human form, angels don't receive wounds like those on the body of JESUS.
@@Episcopalianacolyte My point is that JWs will claim that Mary could see Jesus because he was once again an angel. We're on the same side of this. I just think your argument could use some work.
@@evanwindom3265 thanks for the critique. I certainly do have to work on that.
The prophecy about Jesus was that God wouldn't allow him to remain dead. God would resurrect Jesus before his body began to decompose.
(Acts 2:27) because you will not leave me in the Grave (hell - KJV), nor will you allow your loyal one to see corruption.
Jesus' mission as a human sacrifice was ended. He logically couldn't get back what he had sacrificed.
God resurrected Jesus back into his angel SPIRIT form. 1 Peter 3:18.
In such a form, Jesus could walk into locked rooms, disappear at will and return to heaven.
Does quicken by the spirit means became a spirit??
@@Fjmaster2023 : quicken, - means to make alive or lively.
1 Peter 3:18 KJV
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but QUICKENED by the Spirit:
ASV
Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but MADE ALIVE in the spirit;
Peter is contrasting the forms Jesus died in with what he was resurrected in.
@@jimjuri6490 answer questions honestly bro...
Does quicken by the SPIRIT and MADE ALIVE in the spirit means Christ became a spirit...
We have been made alive with Christ. Eph 2 vs 5....are we Christ?
@@jimjuri6490 when Christ became flesh,it was easy to note as the scripture puts it to us...
What difficult is there to say and now Christ became a spirit creature??
@@Fjmaster2023 : What was Peter talking about in 1 Peter 3:18?
Read it an explain it. If possible please.
The fake ending at 0:45... epic.
1 jOhn 4:2-4
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is not of God; and such is the spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already it is in the world.
They wrong according 1 John 4:2-4....He come in THA FLESH! so every other teching is from antichrist!
They JWs reeding holy bibel with 66 parts in 60 lektions for new ones , strange ! Is it not a they having spirit of antichrist??? 666? tha trueth going to set you free! orginal bibel having 73 parts!!! 777
eternal blessings
So what are we witnessing here ??? thath they having spirit of antichrist and they on wrong way ! Good lyck to evryone ....thanx for your work -walk in trueth 888.
The fact that the Roman soldiers were able to impale and kill Jesus shows that he did not then have immortality.
He chose to lay down his life-read bible to understand what's going on there.....no man taketh it from him..john 10:18
@@Fjmaster2023 no point if Jesus were to resurrect his own body.
@@roeltingzon758 Why did Jesus came to earth in the first place...what was the purpose of his coming?
@@Fjmaster2023 as he said it straight to the point to Pontius Pilate it was to teach/declare the Truth. And secondly to give his perfect human life as a ransom for the two classes of peoples he then would save. One group who would go to heaven to be co-rulers with Christ and they would number 144,000. And the secondary group, obedient faithful humans who demonstrate their support for God's kingdom who would be unnumbered and open to every tribe, race and all sorts of people who would live on a Paradise earth forever. (Revelation 7:1-3,9,)
@@roeltingzon758 you don't even know why Jesus came,sad..
JESUS SAID IM NOT A SPIRIT; HE DON'T LIE . BIBLE EXPLAIN.
Jesus did this to ease their tensions that he was not a wicked spirit, or apparition. But it was really Jesus. Did you notice he appeared behind locked doors?
G'day everyone, just to let you know ************* Mr D C1 is masquerading as another Identity on RUclips, known as Vusi Mngomezulu*******************
He one and the same person Mr D C1 and adding comments from a JW POV
STOP YOUR LIES, you never stop don't you. i don't even know who this vusi that you are talking about
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Rubbish. you were caught out impersonating another person. shame on you Mr D C1
@@RowanTasmanian again, that's just your own twisted lies and imagination. you like to invent twisted lies don't u. no surprises there coming from you
Excellent. One thing that you didn't address is how he appears in a room to the disciples with the door locked .
I know right. I edited everything, and said that to myself. All it would have taken was…he walked on water when flesh, he didn’t stop preforming miracles when he rose…there’s also the way he’s hiding their eyes, I think it’s less he’s walking through walls, and more he’s blocking their vision, but it’s open to debate.
Yeah, I've heard that argument couched as "Only angels can do that" to which I respond, "Who says?" We're talking about the same person who, while in the flesh, broke the laws of physics constantly. Witnesses would argue that he was using holy spirit to perform those miracles. Okay... what's the difference between him doing that while in physical form before or after crucifixion? It's another case of the WT declaring rules for how things have to be because that's what makes sense to them (or what aligns with their doctrine). Great question, though.
@@evanwindom3265 good points 👍👍
@@evanwindom3265 G'day Evan, I hope all is well with you.
C S Lewis would agree with everything you wrote there and your other comments on this. Great dissection of the argument.
@@evanwindom3265 angels get their power from God John 17:2 KJV
Author of this video wil go to great lengths to give his 'conjectures' and word gymnastics concerning 1 Peter 3:18. The fact that after his resurrection, Jesus was by then no longer human was proven when he vanishes right before the eyes of Thomas and his other disciples. And no Mary Magdalene did not encounter Jesus' as a ghost because she was able to cling to him as the account in John 20:17 says.
So what was Jesus when he was being clung to? A spirit or a man?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry he took on a body of an Garderner...so the account says Mary Magdalene thought he was the garderner or caretaker of the tombs. Mary didnt recognize him right away, thats why she asked the man where he MAY have put his body away. Mary was unaware that it was the materialized Jesus until he called her name. (John 20:14,15)
@@roeltingzon758 Does it say he took the body of the Gardener, or that she thought he was. This was in the early morning, still dark, when gardening was done, to avoid the heat. Let me ask you, where is the body of Jesus. It wasn't in the tomb, so what happened to it. Show me from Scripture.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry when the disciples reached Jesus tomb it was already daybreak and visibility was good so Mary Magdalene had no problem seeing the man she thought was a garderner because he may have been dressed as one, and perhaps before the day of Jesus' burial there, she may have had already gone over to that place and saw some of the garderners but she didnt talk with them. True there is no verse or scripture saying that Jesus at his resurrection took on the body of an garderner as well as there are also many small details of the Bible that are missing, like the name of Noah's wife and the name of the Pharoah involved the in days of Moses. Nevertheless they do not affect the overall message that the bible contains that we need for our time. The account says Mary did not readily recognize Jesus appearance but she may have remembered how he looked like when he died...this man talking to her as she was visibly distraught was unknown to her so she asked him where did he put away Jesus body....although not mentioned in the scriptures God may have simply disintergrated Jesus physical body so it was no longer in the tomb. This was done to fulfill the prophecy in Psalms 16:10 that said God's loyal one (Jesus) would Not remain in the grave to see corruption or a complete decomposition. Mary was distraught that his body was gone...but when the man uttered her name in a gentle tone and in a voice she was familiar with, she was dumbstruck and quickly realized it was Jesus!...."Rabboni!" She exclaimed...then she clung onto him tightly for she feared he would disappear again never to be seen...the resurrected Jesus thus appeared to her in the body of an garderner....Mary makes no mention about seeing wound holes in his hands and doubting Thomas did not say that an garderner appeared to him because evidently Jesus took on different forms when he showed himself to his disciples as Mark 16:12 (KJV) says.
@@roeltingzon758 You are correct, there is no scripture that says his body disintegrated, but says the opposite, as his body was raised from the dead, as Jesus said he would do John 2:19-22. You it leaves you with no proof that his body just evaporated, this is a falsehood created by false teachers who manipulate the resurrection of Christ. Also, you can't use Psalms 16:10 or Acts 2:27. This could just as easily mean that his body didn't see corruption, because God raised it from the dead. You can not choose your own interpretation as evidence. Also, why are you using Mark 16? You own society and Bible says that Mark 16:12 is an addition and doesn't belong in the Bible. Even if it does, Luke 24:16 expands on this, saying Jesus kept their eyes from noticing them. From the disciples perspective, he appeared different, because Jesus kept their eyes hidden, not changed his body. You are using an atheist argument that is typically leveled against Christianity, that the disciples didn't see the risen Christ, but fakers posing as Jesus.
1 cor 15:49 - And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust,g we will bear also the image of the heavenly one. Notice those resurrected will bear the IMAGE OF THE HEAVENLY ONE, what is the IMAGE OF THE HEAVENLY ONE? the word Heavenly's usage also means SPIRITUAL so they will become SPIRITs as well. Even Jesus is called a SPIRIT in Rev 2 & 3
A SPIRITUAL BODY IS NOT A SPIRIT; STUDY 1COR 15 CHAPTER ? AMAZING.
Yep! It's in the bible, so it has to be true. Case closed.
Gnostics....again
Jesus said "I am not a spirit" in Luke because he temporarily ceased being a spirit to appear to his followers (as we know spirits can do; for example, the angels in Genesis 6). He was still raised a spirit (as Paul explicitly said).
You want Jesus to be spirit _and_ flesh at the same time, but that actually contradicts Jesus' statement that "a spirit does not have flesh and bones". So, since Jesus is a spirit (1 Cor. 15:45), he doesn't have flesh and bones. QED.
Does spirit always been an invisible spirit creature?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
Please re-phrase that question. I'm not sure what you're asking.
@@Bowen12676 something being spiritual, or having spirit, do those words only define an invisible spirit creature?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
No, but I'm not talking about Jesus being "spiritual" or "having spirit". I'm talking about Jesus *being a spirit,* as 1 Cor. 15:45 says Jesus became at his resurrection. As Adam "was made into a living soul" at his creation, Jesus "was made into a life-giving spirit" at his re-creation (his resurrection).
The reason Jesus had to become a life-giving spirit is because "flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom" (1 Cor. 15:50). Thus, Jesus had to receive a "spiritual body" at his resurrection.
@@Bowen12676 Read Romans 8:9-11. It’s the indwelling Spirit of Christ that grants us eternal life. This is what John 14:23 says as well. Paul in 1 Cor 15 is not giving us the ethereal nature of Christ but using comparisons in his language. On an simple read you might get Christ is a spirit creature, but you have to go deeper, take in the context and proper hermeneutics. In my experience, many people default to what they’ve been taught rather than letting all scripture speak. You have Christ explicitly saying, I AM NOT A SPIRIT, and twice Paul calls him currently a man, not to mention Christ being a current high priest. I can’t ignore these scriptures, so therefore 1 Cor 15 must be taken figuratively.
You really need to research gnostic beliefs, because the JW position reaks of paganism.
1 Peter 3:18 Holman Christian Standard Bible
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God, *after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm.*
So you used the one Bible translation that inputs "realm." So it Holman the translation you trust completely? What's John 1:1 say in that translation?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry To show the meaning of "raised in the spirit". Jesus was raised to spirit life in the spirit realm.
Did Jesus ever appear and disappear before his death as a human? So why after his resurrection was he able to appear and disappear?
1 Peter 3:18
Holman Christian Standard Bible
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God, *after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm.*
New International Version
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. *He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.*
New Living Translation
Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. *He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.*
English Standard Version
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, *being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,*
Berean Standard Bible
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. *He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit,*
Berean Literal Bible
because Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, so that He might bring you to God, *having been put to death indeed in the flesh, but having been made alive in the spirit,*
How do we know Jesus was a spirit immediately upon his resurrection? Jesus declared a message in the spirit realm.
1 Peter 3:19
New International Version
After being made alive, *he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits-*
New Living Translation
So he went and *preached to the spirits in prison-*
Weymouth New Testament
in which He also went and *proclaimed His Message to the spirits that were in prison,*
Along with this Jesus appeared to his followers, even in a locked a room. The bible shows that Angels/spirits have the ability to materialise or take a physical form (just like energy can be converted into matter).
John 20:17-19,26,27 New Living Translation
*17“Don’t cling to me,” Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father.* But go find my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
18Mary Magdalene found the disciples and told them, “I have seen the Lord!” Then she gave them his message.
Jesus Appears to His Disciples
19That Sunday eveningb *the disciples were meeting behind locked doors* because they were afraid of the Jewish leaders. *Suddenly, Jesus was standing there among them!* “Peace be with you,” he said.
26Eight days later the disciples were together again, and this time Thomas was with them. *The doors were locked; but suddenly, as before, Jesus was standing among them.* “Peace be with you,” he said. 27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!”
Luke 24:28-31 New Living Translation
28By this time they were nearing Emmaus and the end of their journey. Jesus acted as if he were going on, 29but they begged him, “Stay the night with us, since it is getting late.” So he went home with them. 30As they sat down to eat,d he took the bread and blessed it. Then he broke it and gave it to them. 31Suddenly, their eyes were opened, and they recognized him. *And at that moment he disappeared!*
Acts 1:2,3 New Living Translation
*2until the day he was taken up to heaven* after giving his chosen apostles further instructions through the Holy Spirit. *3During the forty days after he suffered and died, he appeared to the apostles from time to time, and he proved to them in many ways that he was actually alive.* And he talked to them about the Kingdom of God.
*Jesus could now appear and disappear because he was now a spirit being.*
@@mo2874 Could Jesus walk on Water because he was a spirit being?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Upon his death and resurrection Jesus returned to what he had always been...
John explained Jesus origins...
John 3:31-34 New Living Translation
*31“He has come from above* and is greater than anyone else. We are of the earth, and we speak of earthly things, *but he has come from heaven* and is greater than anyone else.j 32He testifies about what he has seen and heard, but how few believe what he tells them! 33Anyone who accepts his testimony can affirm that God is true. *34For he is sent by God.* He speaks God’s words, for God gives him the Spirit without limit.
Jesus confirmed he was from heaven...
John 8:23 New International Version
But he continued, “You are from below; *I am from above.* You are of this world; I am not of this world.
*God resurrected him as a spirit being, back to what he was before being human...*
John 17:5 English Standard Version
And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory *that I had with you before the world existed.*
Philippians 2:6-9 English Standard Version
*6who, though he was in the form of God,* did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,b 7but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,c *being born in the likeness of men. 8And being found in human form,* he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. *9Therefore God has highly exalted him* and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,
What "form" is God? *That tells us what form Jesus was in prior to coming to the earth and what he returned to when resurrected and elevated/exalted...*
John 4:24 New International Version
*God is spirit,* and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
@@mo2874 Is a man judging the world?
What difference does make if Jesus rose as a spirit or as a body? The point is he overcame death. One thing I know for sure; Jesus did not have shit stains on the front of his underwear.
It matters because the promise of the, resurrection and the fulfillment of prophecy is a resurrection of the BODY.
We are promised, prophecied, a PHYSICAL resurrection.
There was no promise or prophecied resurrection of the spirit, but of the BODY.
Watchtower would make God a liar...
It matters because his being raised again as a spirit enabled him to return to heaven. (See also 1 Corinthians 15:50)
@roeltingzon758 yes he did go to heaven as a spirit and was able to make his followers see him eat a fish and show his wounds.
@@xxxxyz854 he simply materialized that is why they were able to see him. Its like what angels did before he came to earth as a man. He was no longer human by then because after his resurrection he had the ability to just popup out of thin air. And he will also return as an invisible Spirit which will be preceded by a visible sign in the heavens that every humans will see...when he said that "then they will see the sign of the Son of Man coming in the clouds with all his angels" to execute God's judgement on this corrupt world. - (Matthew 24:30)
@@roeltingzon758 That's how his followers saw him. Yes.
The Greek word for SPIRITUAL in 1 Cor 15 means BELONGING TO A SPIRIT, So there you are. Also, in verse 45 states " became a life-giving spirit" Notice BECAME and you think Jesus only became LIFE GIVING when he was resurrected? NOPE. He was already LIFE GIVING when Jesus was a man, and what he BECAME OR come into being? A LIFE GIVING WHAT? SPIRIT
1 TIM 6:16 - says "he one alone having immortality,s who dwells in unapproachable light,t whom no man has seen or can see." NOTICE, NO MAN CAN SEE NOR EVEN DWELL IN THE UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT. JESUS can see and live in that Light, so JESUS IS NOT PART OF THAT MAN AND NOR A MAN (human being in Original Greek). If Jesus remained as HUMAN , then u r saying 1 tim 6:16 is a LIE. Jesus DWELLS AND CAN SEE THAT LIGHT, but it says NO MAN (HUMAN BEING) CAN SEE. No exceptions. To be able to see that LIGHT and DWELL IN THAT LIGHT. JESUS IS NOT A MAN(human being) anymore.
The point is Man cannot see because of sin.Christ is sinless therefore he can even with his human body. The priest could not enter into the holy of holies if he had not confessed or repented his sins,that is why they tied a chain to his legs just incase he died while he was there.
@@davzbalian295 it says plainly NO MAN Can see, it doesn't say, NO SINFUL MAN can see, so stop adding
Here we go again, so called Christians bashing others, and you wonder why athiests so not want to know LOL
Ephesians 5:11
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry And they probably say the same about you.
@@Kyroblox So how does on determine who is right and who is wrong?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Read Gods word without going into your church and having people telling you "God the son" the moment you walk in. When I decided to read Gods word 34 years ago I read the Gospel accounts myself without any interference from any church or religion. Gods spirit was all I needed
Jesus showed up as A MAN after his resurrection just like the angels did when they ATE with Abraham,. So you think Jesus is powerless to not be able to became a man again? 1 Cor 15 shows HE BECAME A LIFE GIVING WHAT? SPIRIT
Correct. You also have the angel that wrestled with Jacob, and the rebellious angels that manifested physical bodies to fornicate with (And impregnate!) women in the days before the flood.
@@mattgardiner614 that's true!
@@mattgardiner614 It is most astonishing that you support your theological beliefs with a Bible text, but are not aware that the same Bible text you quote refutes the core teaching of your organization.
Chapter 15 of the Apostle Paul's first letter to the Corinthians deals with the doctrine of the resurrection. In this chapter, Paul summarizes in his own words the quintessence of the gospel he preached publicly at God's command.
1 Corinthians 15,22-23 (NWT Study Edition)
"For just as in Adam a l l are dying, so also in the Christ a l l will be made alive.
23 But e a c h one in his o w n proper o r d e r:
Christ the firstfruits,
afterward those who belong to the Christ during (note: greek: "en" in the sense of "at") his presence ("note: PAROUSIA")
1 Corinthians 15,50-52 (NWT Study Edition)
"50 But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Look! I tell you a s a c r e d s e c r e t : We will not all fall asleep in death, but w e w i l l a l l b e c h a n g e d ,
52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during* (note: greek: "en" in the sense of "at") the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and w e w i l l b e c h a n g e d."
Matthew 24,30 (NWT Study Edition)
"Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and a l l the t r i b e s o f t h e e a r t h will beat themselves in grief, and t h e y w i l l s e e the Son of man c o m i n g on the clouds of heaven with power and g r e a t g l o r y ."
Reveleation 1,7 (NWT Study Edition)
"Look! He i s c o m i n g with the clouds,o and e v e r y e y e will s e e him, and those who pierced him; and
a l l the tribes of the e a r t h will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen."
The resurrection is described by Paul in this chapter as an indispensable condition for man born in imperfection to reach the state of immortality.
Accordingly, all Christians will experience from God the transformation of their bodies at the parousia or return of Christ. The apostle Paul immortalized the same prediction in his letter to the Philippians. (Philippians 3:17-21). This fact is undeniable. How this glorified body will be designed, however, is not described in the Bible.
That Jesus was perceptible to his disciples in human form in this glorified body is evident from the descriptions of the same Bible book. (1 Corinthians 15:3-5).
Therefore, as rightly emphasized in the video, it is about the question of how the parousia or return of Jesus will manifest itself. The authors of the New Testament have also left us unmistakable messages on this crucial issue.
Questions to the great Bible scholars of the last days: just before the last day of the last days.
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1.) According to the Apostle Paul, will all Christians experience the transformation of their bodies at the return of Christ or only a negligible minority? In other words,. Is it conceivable that Paul, as a preacher of nations, had no knowledge of a second class of Christians, although he claimed that the divine truth had been entrusted to him personally through Jesus Christ? (Galatians 1:11-12; Ephesians 3:1-6).
2.) Will Jesus reveal Himself visibly or perceptibly to all people on earth at His future return, or only 8 chosen people in New York? (Luke 21:26-27).
3.) Why was the return of Jesus in his capacity as the "Son of Man" already announced in the Hebrew Scriptures? (Daniel 7:13; Matthew 24:30).
It would be very gratifying if this time you would concentrate on the elementary teachings and not dwell on trivialities.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 It is most astonishing that you support your theological beliefs with a Bible text, but are not aware that the same Bible text you quote refutes the core teaching of your organization.
Chapter 15 of the Apostle Paul's first letter to the Corinthians deals with the doctrine of the resurrection. In this chapter, Paul summarizes in his own words the quintessence of the gospel he preached publicly at God's command.
1 Corinthians 15,22-23 (NWT Study Edition)
"For just as in Adam a l l are dying, so also in the Christ a l l will be made alive.
23 But e a c h one in his o w n proper o r d e r:
Christ the firstfruits,
afterward those who belong to the Christ during (note: greek: "en" in the sense of "at") his presence ("note: PAROUSIA")
1 Corinthians 15,50-52 (NWT Study Edition)
"50 But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Look! I tell you a s a c r e d s e c r e t : We will not all fall asleep in death, but w e w i l l a l l b e c h a n g e d ,
52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during* (note: greek: "en" in the sense of "at") the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and w e w i l l b e c h a n g e d."
Matthew 24,30 (NWT Study Edition)
"Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and a l l the t r i b e s o f t h e e a r t h will beat themselves in grief, and t h e y w i l l s e e the Son of man c o m i n g on the clouds of heaven with power and g r e a t g l o r y ."
Reveleation 1,7 (NWT Study Edition)
"Look! He i s c o m i n g with the clouds,o and e v e r y e y e will s e e him, and those who pierced him; and
a l l the tribes of the e a r t h will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen."
The resurrection is described by Paul in this chapter as an indispensable condition for man born in imperfection to reach the state of immortality.
Accordingly, all Christians will experience from God the transformation of their bodies at the parousia or return of Christ. The apostle Paul immortalized the same prediction in his letter to the Philippians. (Philippians 3:17-21). This fact is undeniable. How this glorified body will be designed, however, is not described in the Bible.
That Jesus was perceptible to his disciples in human form in this glorified body is evident from the descriptions of the same Bible book. (1 Corinthians 15:3-5).
Therefore, as rightly emphasized in the video, it is about the question of how the parousia or return of Jesus will manifest itself. The authors of the New Testament have also left us unmistakable messages on this crucial issue.
Questions to the great Bible scholars of the last days: just before the last day of the last days.
=========================================================================
1.) According to the Apostle Paul, will all Christians experience the transformation of their bodies at the return of Christ or only a negligible minority? In other words,. Is it conceivable that Paul, as a preacher of nations, had no knowledge of a second class of Christians, although he claimed that the divine truth had been entrusted to him personally through Jesus Christ? (Galatians 1:11-12; Ephesians 3:1-6).
2.) Will Jesus reveal Himself visibly or perceptibly to all people on earth at His future return, or only 8 chosen people in New York? (Luke 21:26-27).
3.) Why was the return of Jesus in his capacity as the "Son of Man" already announced in the Hebrew Scriptures? (Daniel 7:13; Matthew 24:30).
It would be very gratifying if this time you would concentrate on the elementary teachings and not dwell on trivialities.
@@MR-gx3gc u r still stuck..
Did Jesus remain A MAN? . What does the Bible say? Rev 2, 3:22 called Jesus a spirit. 1 Cor 15 called Jesus a LIFE GIVING SPIRIT.
1 TIM 6:16 - says "he one alone having immortality,s who dwells in unapproachable light,t whom no man has seen or can see." NOTICE, NO MAN CAN SEE NOR EVEN DWELL IN THE UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT. JESUS can see and live in that Light, so JESUS IS NOT PART OF THAT MAN AND NOR A MAN (human being in Original Greek). If Jesus remained as HUMAN , then u r saying 1 tim 6:16 is a LIE. Jesus DWELLS AND CAN SEE THAT LIGHT, but it says NO MAN (HUMAN BEING) CAN SEE. No exceptions. To be able to see that LIGHT and DWELL IN THAT LIGHT. JESUS IS NOT A MAN(human being) anymore.
Do you think posting the same comment multiple times makes it true? Just curious...
@@evanwindom3265 LOL - Did Jesus remain A MAN? . What does the Bible say? Rev 2, 3:22 called Jesus a spirit. 1 Cor 15 called Jesus a LIFE GIVING SPIRIT.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Did you watch the video?
@@evanwindom3265 gal 1:1 - nor through a man, but through Jesus Christ notice NOR THROUGH A MAN
@@Mr.DC3.1914 All that's saying is that Paul was called by Christ, not by men like, say, a governing body... Nobody is questioning Paul's authority. I'm just amazed at how far you will go to take a verse -- any verse --- out of context to try to make a point, even if that point makes no sense.
1 TIM 6:16 - says "he one alone having immortality,s who dwells in unapproachable light,t whom no man has seen or can see." NOTICE, NO MAN CAN SEE NOR EVEN DWELL IN THE UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT. JESUS can see and live in that Light, so JESUS IS NOT PART OF THAT MAN AND NOR A MAN (human being in Original Greek). If Jesus remained as HUMAN , then u r saying 1 tim 6:16 is a LIE. Jesus DWELLS AND CAN SEE THAT LIGHT, but it says NO MAN (HUMAN BEING) CAN SEE. No exceptions. To be able to see that LIGHT and DWELL IN THAT LIGHT. JESUS IS NOT A MAN(human being) anymore.
1 TIM 6:16 - says "he one alone having immortality,s who dwells in unapproachable light,t whom no man has seen or can see." NOTICE, NO MAN CAN SEE NOR EVEN DWELL IN THE UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT. JESUS can see and live in that Light, so JESUS IS NOT PART OF THAT MAN AND NOR A MAN (human being in Original Greek). If Jesus remained as HUMAN , then u r saying 1 tim 6:16 is a LIE. Jesus DWELLS AND CAN SEE THAT LIGHT, but it says NO MAN (HUMAN BEING) CAN SEE. No exceptions. To be able to see that LIGHT and DWELL IN THAT LIGHT. JESUS IS NOT A MAN(human being) anymore.
The JW's apply 1 Tim. 6:16 in reference to Jesus as well as to God.
They are confused.
@@fredrolinners8903 1 TIM 6:16 - NO MAN, no exceptions, so you think Jesus CANNOT SEE HIMSELF?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Irrelevant. The JW's affirmed it refers to God and Jesus.
@@fredrolinners8903 IT SAYS "NO MAN" can see , so if Jesus remained as a MAN, then for you Jesus CANNOT SEE himself or cannot even see the unapproachable light or cannot even see GOD as he remained as a man, notice it says "NO MAN" and no exceptions were given
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Yeah, so?