SPOILER: I picked up that she was dead about half way through when I realized no one ever really interacted with her. Which is strange for me because I don’t usually even try to “look” for the twist.
I agree with that. You can remember certain vague events but nothing like this book describes. Pity because I loved rock paper scissors. I’ve lost patience with it half way through.
Spoiler: I agree with you, the "dark justice" really doesn't work and reveals the 2 good characters as profoundly more evil than the others, especially because the 1988 incident also was an accident. Even Daisy is appalled and would never have wanted this done. Also I'm not sure what Trixie was planning to tell the police? Sole survivor and beneficiary in the will, didn't immediately summon police as soon as possible, walked the dog instead, like she's not going to be suspected? Also that grandmother killing herself right in front of her great-granddaughter, no, no no. I get what the author was shooting for here, A for effort, but didn't work for me, characters are allowed to be evil but it didn't make sense.
Yeah the dark justice had me majorly struggling since it seemed so overly done. Go to the police... something other than massacring a ton of people. I also definitely thought about what the heck she'd tell the police because she'd obviously be a suspect as the only survivor.
I don't understand how you think the grandma and Trixie are more evil?? Her sisters hated her their whole lives and her mother was a witch and never wanted Daisy to get better. Did you miss the part where she was actually alive??? Hitting her with the car was one thing but immediately throwing her over the cliff instead of trying to get help was evil not to mention the whole family knew about it and pretended it didn't happen as if daisy was trash. I was glad when they all died the only thing I didn't like about it was that Daisy was really dead I wish she was actually alive I also wished we got to see more repentance Conner should have been begging for his life for what he did.
@@hachi7100 Being able to commit cold blooded murders like that and being completely fine with it mentally is the sign of a VERY evil person, yes. Trixie is a psychopath, she's not some kind of hero.
Yeah I agree it was still and accident it felt very out of character for all of them, even if Connor was a neighbourhood friend Daisy never did anything to him and he was the one suggesting to just dump her on the cliff? And the 2 "good" characters like people don't switch that quickly. Very disappointing book....
I definitely agree with your opinions about this book. . SPOILER: . . . . I predicted that daisy was dead from the moment that Connor wasn't talking to her after getting logs outside whilst seeing that VHS tape in the kitchen. I also had a hunch that Nana was the killer just because it made sense since I already read Agatha Christie's And Then There Were None Overall, my feelings over this book is just meh, not special and yes I agree it's a drag. But hey, this is just my 2nd Alice Feeney book. I liked her Rock Papers Scissors though.
I finished this book last night, it was chosen by my book club. I was so disappointed! I guessed Daisy’s twist the moment she got to the house. Spoilers: I’m like, Nana’s only talking to the dog! Throughout the story Daisy is always talked over, comments ignored, she doesn’t eat or drink, she doesn’t have a real job (volunteers “helping” people at the nursing home), and so many more obvious signs that I laughed out loud when Trixie finally revealed the twist. I kind of like that Nana planned the whole thing, but also she killed the whole family so Trixie could have a better life? I’d love to know what the plan was for the next day… piles of bodies, and a house to take care of all put on a 15 year old… hmm… Also all the pop culture references, technology and the dates were taking me out of the story so much. I’m sorry but VHS camcorders were not readily available for home movies in 1975. Other dates were just wrong too. Like Care Bears didn’t come out until the year after the girls got them. So many things like that. If the whole book were set 10 years later the VHS tape thing would be believable. They could have had cell phones but no service. Fixed! I honestly don’t read many books, especially not this genre, so I don’t have a lot of basis of comparison. But it was for a book club, and I can’t wait to find out what the others thought.
I'm really curious what the rest of your book club is going to think since this seems to be a pretty divisive book. I didn't even catch the stuff with the dates so that's super interesting and now has me thinking about that more so thanks for pointing that out!
I hated guessing it early too. It was pretty obvious they were never addressing her directly, and she constantly complained of being ignored. The final decider was the family putting Connor in Daisy's room. Lol! Without consulting her, and with no words exchanged between them. I hung on to find out "whodunnit", and that part was ridiculous.
I just finished this book and really enjoyed it! I think you have to really like Gothic literature to enjoy it. The overall dark themes and narration really nod to the Gothic genre.
No they weren’t. Trixie was 15 not 13. I remember my teenage years fairly clearly and it is a pretty big difference. Did you really read the book or just Super Summary🤣
Don't bee too practical when you read this book. I see absolute beauty even with the few of its flaws. The atmosphere, the personalities of the characters and the setting was all perfect. I don't see anything bad about this book coz i didn't have any expectations.
Spoilers That's exactly how I felt. I had stayed with this book for so long, to find out the ending. I thought the book was great until then. I was so disappointed. When I was in college, my lit teacher taught us about something called machination. If I remember correctly, it had to do with throwing everything together at the end of a piece of literature, regardless of how it actually fit. The ending just really made me mad because I thought it was one of the best books I had ever read until the ending. It was just too much to buy into. I do not believe that Nana could have made her breathing so shallow that everyone thought she was dead. Ridiculous. And to take a chance with your great- grandchild's life by letting her inject insulin, and then assuming that you would be able to get the glucagon in her before she died just isn't believable either. I just felt like I was being made a fool of by the end of the story.
Spoiler : I thought it was Trixxy from the beginning. I figured this was the prequel to her becoming a serial killer since she has a limited life span anyway
I wasnt impressed with the ending, the constant reminiscing too, jumping too and fro with the "were in the room, now a memory/day dream". Like i get we need the back story but i felt like the story could have been made shorter than it was. Infact id go as far as saying the reminiscing was needed to help extend the reading time. I dont want to wreck it for anyone but the ending was just "bla". part of it was like wooooo ok, i kinda wernt guessing that but now it makes a little sense but there were parts of the book where its lilys turn? How did no one in the room notice that she ended up you know, holding.....
SPOILER I actually read the part at the beginning and took it literally 😂 so I knew Daisy was dead from the beginning and that twist did nothing for me at all
Not having read it, but maybe it is a sort of Cinderella riff? The similar family dynamics, the one who connects with animals, perhaps? It is meant to be a moral tale, or fairytale?
I liked the book quite a bit. Love a good revenge story. How horrible of her family to do what they did. Kind suspected the killer, but was not 100 % sure. I have certainly read worse !! LOL
Great review. I haven’t been the biggest Feeney fan. I have found her books to be a bit repetitive, sort of just a generic thriller. This one sounds worse than usual, so I’ll likely skip it. Glad to have found your channel from this video. :)
It gave The Twilight Zone episode The Masks vibes with And Then There Were None. I stopped reading at the last twist Spoiler: I don't consume spiritistic media period and this book didn't need that twist at all. It could've been so much better without daisy dying smh
Thank you for your frank criticisms of this book. At first I thought the plot of this one might be something my wife would enjoy -- a breezy modern homage to Christie's masterpiece And Then There Were None, which we both thought was superb. So glad I didn't click before seeing your video. Hard pass! Negative reviews can be just as helpful as positive ones. Thx.
This is Alice’s favorite of her books, I can see why, 6 sense and Then Their Were None vibes, I like many enjoyed the “ghost” aspect and loved the relationship with Nana, teary eyed at the end
I think I agree with you I really wanted to like it. I loathed Lilly as I continued to read I loathed her more and more. From childhood she was just the most vile character and I lose interest with characters like that. No there was no cohesive dynamic with all . of the characters. I must say I’ve ditched it half way through and I NEVER do that. There are too many excellent books around to waste time reading . Thank you for your review it was spot on.
The reason it felt it dragged to me is the chapters with the times under them. The times would be 2:20, 2:50,3:15...litterally felt like the minutes took forever and the night wasnt ending... was that intentional? Im not sure but the book dragged with pointless info as well at times
I agree with you, it is a mix between The Sixth Sense and And then there were none, but in a bad way. I did not like the book at all, maybe because thrillers are my favorite genre to read. Maybe if you are not an avid reader of thrillers, you might like it.
****Spoilers ahead*** I agree with you 100%. I just finished this book and was pissed off for wasting my time. I was promised “And Then There Were None” instead I got a lifetime movie. *I loathed all the backstory VHS bs.I did not care. *Daisy wanted love so bad she kept putting herself in harms way with her nasty sisters and that asshat Conor. (I see why now his father beat his ass on the regular.) *Daisy was treated like trash day 1 out of the womb. *Nana killed herself bc she let that shit ride for 13 years she could’ve stopped it like she intervened with Conor’s dad. *I knew Trixie was in on it when she was “always” left behind while the others went to see what was going on. * I was so damn pissed when Conor and Lily threw Daisy off that cliff. *I also loathe when books drag “the secret” out the whole damn book. *Conor was trash for sleeping with both sisters and how the hell did he not know he was Trixie’s daddy when we the reader did?! *This book annoyed me as nothing happened until the last 50 pages. Alice Feeney should’ve kept this in her damn drafts from 2015. Ughhh *What grinds my gears the most is the big plot twist is Daisy is a damn ghost. Casper my ass.
Spoilerrr,,,,,About 70 percent of the book was good buuttttt the end really shocked me ,if i were the writer i would make it this way,the disy was killer herself and she wanted to take revenge and then she wrote a book about this , because the family and the sisters really deserved death ,but i dont know why this book ended like this 😮
So I really liked this book. Spoilers below I felt Connor’s backstory was necessary to fully understand the pain and betrayal Nana felt when she found out what he did to Daisy. She cared for him like a son and even helped his career only to find out that he was not that different from his father. I was really liking Conor after his backstory and felt there’s no way he’s killing everyone in the house, but then the twist. It’s crazy how all of them were accused of killing someone in the house when in reality they were all responsible for killing Daisy who’s been stuck in the house. I agree though that it is very sad and DARK, hence the title lol. I really liked Rose and didn’t want her to die.
Spot on! Spoiler: I realized that she's dead very early in the book, because it's just really weird that nobody's talking to her ever?? I finally decided to stop reading it because the whole time I kept noticing the ways the author hid and hinted at that twist. I read the plot summary on the internet and so glad that I DNF-ed it lol
I completely agree with your review! I read this book this weekend- a weekend I’ll never get back 😂 The ending ruined the book which was shaky to begin with. There are so many other way more interesting ways it could have gone but it didn’t. Big disappointment
Wow, some stories I like dark, but when it's just a trudge fest, wading through tragedy after tragedy it's disappointing. Your review reminds me when I watched 1922 or The VVitch - both I highly anticipated, but it ended up making me feel a similar way here.
I really enjoyed the book the characters were hsrd to get through i didnt really enjoy the death twist but I could put up with it. I think it definitely helps that i related to Daisy darker so much someone who isnt loved by anyone not even their family no one really knows who they are. I just burst into tears about them murdering daisy I was glad about the twist of Nana halping to kill though that was the best part for me
LOL I FORGOT ABOUT THAT AND NOW I'M RETRAUMATIZED. 🤣 Anytime I get a new comment on this video, it makes me cringe and question what the heck even was this book
it better if you listen to the audiobook , Stephanie Racine voice performance is making this book 10 times better than what it is ❤ but really the twist is really bad 😂😂😂😂
This is an adult mystery book and there are definitely some darker themes that it just depends on what you let your 13/14 year old read. There are mentions of gruesome deaths, strangulation, and other adult themes.
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I picked up that she was dead about half way through when I realized no one ever really interacted with her. Which is strange for me because I don’t usually even try to “look” for the twist.
That's impressive!! I definitely didn't see it coming.
Wow. I didn't know this until it was revealed. You're good
Same for me it was kinda like wait a minute yeah she did something and this why they are ignoring her but this is a bit much
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I always think abt how trixie will be the i only one alive when the tide clears what would tthe police think
exactly!!!
I’m sorry but does anyone else hate when the main character remembers event as a 5 year old and in such eloquent description? I hate it!
I agree with that. You can remember certain vague events but nothing like this book describes. Pity because I loved rock paper scissors. I’ve lost patience with it half way through.
Spoiler: I agree with you, the "dark justice" really doesn't work and reveals the 2 good characters as profoundly more evil than the others, especially because the 1988 incident also was an accident. Even Daisy is appalled and would never have wanted this done. Also I'm not sure what Trixie was planning to tell the police? Sole survivor and beneficiary in the will, didn't immediately summon police as soon as possible, walked the dog instead, like she's not going to be suspected? Also that grandmother killing herself right in front of her great-granddaughter, no, no no. I get what the author was shooting for here, A for effort, but didn't work for me, characters are allowed to be evil but it didn't make sense.
Yeah the dark justice had me majorly struggling since it seemed so overly done. Go to the police... something other than massacring a ton of people.
I also definitely thought about what the heck she'd tell the police because she'd obviously be a suspect as the only survivor.
I don't understand how you think the grandma and Trixie are more evil?? Her sisters hated her their whole lives and her mother was a witch and never wanted Daisy to get better. Did you miss the part where she was actually alive??? Hitting her with the car was one thing but immediately throwing her over the cliff instead of trying to get help was evil not to mention the whole family knew about it and pretended it didn't happen as if daisy was trash. I was glad when they all died the only thing I didn't like about it was that Daisy was really dead I wish she was actually alive I also wished we got to see more repentance Conner should have been begging for his life for what he did.
@@hachi7100 Being able to commit cold blooded murders like that and being completely fine with it mentally is the sign of a VERY evil person, yes. Trixie is a psychopath, she's not some kind of hero.
@@enriquesanchez9016 oh so you agree that Rose and Lilly and Conner are evil too then since they literally committed the cold blooded murder of Daisy
Yeah I agree it was still and accident it felt very out of character for all of them, even if Connor was a neighbourhood friend Daisy never did anything to him and he was the one suggesting to just dump her on the cliff? And the 2 "good" characters like people don't switch that quickly. Very disappointing book....
I definitely agree with your opinions about this book.
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I predicted that daisy was dead from the moment that Connor wasn't talking to her after getting logs outside whilst seeing that VHS tape in the kitchen.
I also had a hunch that Nana was the killer just because it made sense since I already read Agatha Christie's And Then There Were None
Overall, my feelings over this book is just meh, not special and yes I agree it's a drag. But hey, this is just my 2nd Alice Feeney book. I liked her Rock Papers Scissors though.
I loved Rock Paper Scissors. I’m impressed you guessed the daisy twist. I didn’t see it coming at all 😂
Read his and hers and I don’t think it was any better 😔. Sad that I started her books with Rock paper scissors. It will be such a hard thing to top
I loved this book so much! Def will be one of my top of the year
I'm glad you liked it!
I guessed one of the first twists immediately 😂
I finished this book last night I couldn’t stop reading it I was like ohhhhh shiiiiittt at the end plot twist
I finished this book last night, it was chosen by my book club. I was so disappointed! I guessed Daisy’s twist the moment she got to the house.
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I’m like, Nana’s only talking to the dog! Throughout the story Daisy is always talked over, comments ignored, she doesn’t eat or drink, she doesn’t have a real job (volunteers “helping” people at the nursing home), and so many more obvious signs that I laughed out loud when Trixie finally revealed the twist.
I kind of like that Nana planned the whole thing, but also she killed the whole family so Trixie could have a better life? I’d love to know what the plan was for the next day… piles of bodies, and a house to take care of all put on a 15 year old… hmm…
Also all the pop culture references, technology and the dates were taking me out of the story so much. I’m sorry but VHS camcorders were not readily available for home movies in 1975. Other dates were just wrong too. Like Care Bears didn’t come out until the year after the girls got them. So many things like that. If the whole book were set 10 years later the VHS tape thing would be believable. They could have had cell phones but no service. Fixed!
I honestly don’t read many books, especially not this genre, so I don’t have a lot of basis of comparison. But it was for a book club, and I can’t wait to find out what the others thought.
I'm really curious what the rest of your book club is going to think since this seems to be a pretty divisive book.
I didn't even catch the stuff with the dates so that's super interesting and now has me thinking about that more so thanks for pointing that out!
I hated guessing it early too. It was pretty obvious they were never addressing her directly, and she constantly complained of being ignored. The final decider was the family putting Connor in Daisy's room. Lol! Without consulting her, and with no words exchanged between them. I hung on to find out "whodunnit", and that part was ridiculous.
I just finished this book and really enjoyed it! I think you have to really like Gothic literature to enjoy it. The overall dark themes and narration really nod to the Gothic genre.
I actually love Gothic books. Especially gothic horror and dark gothic romance books and I still just didn't like this because of the twist.
I enjoyed it, but your critique on the characters is spot on. 👌
I’m glad you enjoyed it!
No they weren’t. Trixie was 15 not 13. I remember my teenage years fairly clearly and it is a pretty big difference. Did you really read the book or just Super Summary🤣
I respect your take.. very entertaining, but I actually enjoyed the book. enjoyed the book and your review.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I always get sad when I don't like a book, so I'm always excited when other people do like it.
I just finished the book and I really don't like how it ends.
It had such good potential but that ending was just so not it.
agreed :/
Don't bee too practical when you read this book. I see absolute beauty even with the few of its flaws. The atmosphere, the personalities of the characters and the setting was all perfect. I don't see anything bad about this book coz i didn't have any expectations.
I actually really liked this book and enjoyed the dark twist
Good! I'm excited you enjoyed it! I love seeing more positive reactions to books.
It felt like the last couple of chapters the author was just trying to wrap things up
Spoilers That's exactly how I felt. I had stayed with this book for so long, to find out the ending. I thought the book was great until then. I was so disappointed. When I was in college, my lit teacher taught us about something called machination. If I remember correctly, it had to do with throwing everything together at the end of a piece of literature, regardless of how it actually fit. The ending just really made me mad because I thought it was one of the best books I had ever read until the ending. It was just too much to buy into. I do not believe that Nana could have made her breathing so shallow that everyone thought she was dead. Ridiculous. And to take a chance with your great- grandchild's life by letting her inject insulin, and then assuming that you would be able to get the glucagon in her before she died just isn't believable either. I just felt like I was being made a fool of by the end of the story.
Spoiler : I thought it was Trixxy from the beginning. I figured this was the prequel to her becoming a serial killer since she has a limited life span anyway
I agree. Drag, drag, drag, sensational event, end. Not for me.
😂😂 best description of this book I’ve ever heard
I wasnt impressed with the ending, the constant reminiscing too, jumping too and fro with the "were in the room, now a memory/day dream". Like i get we need the back story but i felt like the story could have been made shorter than it was. Infact id go as far as saying the reminiscing was needed to help extend the reading time. I dont want to wreck it for anyone but the ending was just "bla". part of it was like wooooo ok, i kinda wernt guessing that but now it makes a little sense but there were parts of the book where its lilys turn? How did no one in the room notice that she ended up you know, holding.....
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I actually read the part at the beginning and took it literally 😂 so I knew Daisy was dead from the beginning and that twist did nothing for me at all
Omg I love that 🤣🤣🤣 I wish I had taken it literally too
Not having read it, but maybe it is a sort of Cinderella riff? The similar family dynamics, the one who connects with animals, perhaps? It is meant to be a moral tale, or fairytale?
I feel like it has to be? But, like, there is no mention of it anywhere which is bizarre.
I liked the book quite a bit. Love a good revenge story. How horrible of her family to do what they did. Kind suspected the killer, but was not 100 % sure.
I have certainly read worse !! LOL
Great review. I haven’t been the biggest Feeney fan. I have found her books to be a bit repetitive, sort of just a generic thriller. This one sounds worse than usual, so I’ll likely skip it. Glad to have found your channel from this video. :)
It gave The Twilight Zone episode The Masks vibes with And Then There Were None. I stopped reading at the last twist
Spoiler: I don't consume spiritistic media period and this book didn't need that twist at all. It could've been so much better without daisy dying smh
Thank you for your frank criticisms of this book. At first I thought the plot of this one might be something my wife would enjoy -- a breezy modern homage to Christie's masterpiece And Then There Were None, which we both thought was superb. So glad I didn't click before seeing your video. Hard pass! Negative reviews can be just as helpful as positive ones. Thx.
This is Alice’s favorite of her books, I can see why, 6 sense and Then Their Were None vibes, I like many enjoyed the “ghost” aspect and loved the relationship with Nana, teary eyed at the end
I think I agree with you I really wanted to like it. I loathed Lilly as I continued to read I loathed her more and more. From childhood she was just the most vile character and I lose interest with characters like that. No there was no cohesive dynamic with all . of the characters. I must say I’ve ditched it half way through and I NEVER do that. There are too many excellent books around to waste time reading . Thank you for your review it was spot on.
I loved it!!!
The reason it felt it dragged to me is the chapters with the times under them. The times would be 2:20, 2:50,3:15...litterally felt like the minutes took forever and the night wasnt ending... was that intentional? Im not sure but the book dragged with pointless info as well at times
I didnt even think about that and I 100% agree that that made it slower.
I agree with you, it is a mix between The Sixth Sense and And then there were none, but in a bad way. I did not like the book at all, maybe because thrillers are my favorite genre to read. Maybe if you are not an avid reader of thrillers, you might like it.
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I agree with you 100%. I just finished this book and was pissed off for wasting my time. I was promised “And Then There Were None” instead I got a lifetime movie.
*I loathed all the backstory VHS bs.I did not care.
*Daisy wanted love so bad she kept putting herself in harms way with her nasty sisters and that asshat Conor. (I see why now his father beat his ass on the regular.)
*Daisy was treated like trash day 1 out of the womb.
*Nana killed herself bc she let that shit ride for 13 years she could’ve stopped it like she intervened with Conor’s dad.
*I knew Trixie was in on it when she was “always” left behind while the others went to see what was going on.
* I was so damn pissed when Conor and Lily threw Daisy off that cliff.
*I also loathe when books drag “the secret” out the whole damn book.
*Conor was trash for sleeping with both sisters and how the hell did he not know he was Trixie’s daddy when we the reader did?!
*This book annoyed me as nothing happened until the last 50 pages. Alice Feeney should’ve kept this in her damn drafts from 2015. Ughhh
*What grinds my gears the most is the big plot twist is Daisy is a damn ghost. Casper my ass.
Spoilerrr,,,,,About 70 percent of the book was good buuttttt the end really shocked me ,if i were the writer i would make it this way,the disy was killer herself and she wanted to take revenge and then she wrote a book about this , because the family and the sisters really deserved death ,but i dont know why this book ended like this 😮
So I really liked this book.
Spoilers below
I felt Connor’s backstory was necessary to fully understand the pain and betrayal Nana felt when she found out what he did to Daisy. She cared for him like a son and even helped his career only to find out that he was not that different from his father. I was really liking Conor after his backstory and felt there’s no way he’s killing everyone in the house, but then the twist. It’s crazy how all of them were accused of killing someone in the house when in reality they were all responsible for killing Daisy who’s been stuck in the house. I agree though that it is very sad and DARK, hence the title lol. I really liked Rose and didn’t want her to die.
Spot on! Spoiler: I realized that she's dead very early in the book, because it's just really weird that nobody's talking to her ever?? I finally decided to stop reading it because the whole time I kept noticing the ways the author hid and hinted at that twist. I read the plot summary on the internet and so glad that I DNF-ed it lol
Ugh I wish I had DNFed it. I'm so jealous that you didn't have to suffer through the entire book 🤣
I completely agree with your review! I read this book this weekend- a weekend I’ll never get back 😂 The ending ruined the book which was shaky to begin with. There are so many other way more interesting ways it could have gone but it didn’t. Big disappointment
There was just SO MUCH that could have been done differently and it would have made the book so much better.
Wow, some stories I like dark, but when it's just a trudge fest, wading through tragedy after tragedy it's disappointing. Your review reminds me when I watched 1922 or The VVitch - both I highly anticipated, but it ended up making me feel a similar way here.
Exactly! It just makes you feel depressed and kind of weird while watching/reading something like that
I really enjoyed the book the characters were hsrd to get through i didnt really enjoy the death twist but I could put up with it. I think it definitely helps that i related to Daisy darker so much someone who isnt loved by anyone not even their family no one really knows who they are. I just burst into tears about them murdering daisy I was glad about the twist of Nana halping to kill though that was the best part for me
are all Feeney’s books based on Christie’s?
I’m halfway through this book and I’m struggling to finish
😭 I’m sorry! I hate that you’re struggling I struggled too when I read it.
But like what was with the baby rat in the cradle part????
LOL I FORGOT ABOUT THAT AND NOW I'M RETRAUMATIZED. 🤣 Anytime I get a new comment on this video, it makes me cringe and question what the heck even was this book
it better if you listen to the audiobook , Stephanie Racine voice performance is making this book 10 times better than what it is ❤
but really the twist is really bad 😂😂😂😂
Is this YA? Would it be okay to read for a 13 or 14 year old?
This is an adult mystery book and there are definitely some darker themes that it just depends on what you let your 13/14 year old read. There are mentions of gruesome deaths, strangulation, and other adult themes.
books ? wait you mean people still read books? I thought everyone just listened to podcasts now days...
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lea michelle? is that you?