Yo B what mouse skates are you using on there and how did you get the one for the ring around the sensor? Hyperglides don't offer the ring for some reason...
I'm a bit skeptical as to if the G Pro wireless is a sponsor as most sponsors give leeway for mice. Think of all the players who used to use Zowie mice. But GPW could still be a sponsor. G640 is 100% sponsor, QCK is at least cheap to replace and a much better surface. Shroud is 100% a shill. Razer > Logitech
In keyboards and mousepad yes. But most of the orgs in FPS games don't force their players to use their mouse. Take TenZ for example (Cloud 9 Valorant) He's on cloud 9 which is sponsored by Hyper X but he uses g pro wireless / razer viper ultimate / viper mini
@@szymacs7106 of course there are pros that use different mice. but even without sponsor forcing to use their mouse, they literally get unlimited mice from the sponsor, so why would they buy own mice with OWN money, if they can get like 5 logitech mice from logitech if the team is sponsored by logitech? And either way g pro wireless is still basically better than most of those "lighter light weight mice" on the spec side. So if u add the sponsor and the quality there just isnt any other reason to use any other mouse yet other than the weight and shape, but usually if u try to find lighter mice, they have wire and too often worse sensor or switches(yes i know the difference isnt big nowadays in sensors for exam. but theyre pros, they recognise it easier. And even 60g WIRED mouse feels same weight as g pro WIRELESS while it is 80g. Based on my own exp ofc.
@@nikohippi5363 I disagree I'd pay 50 dollars for a model o of it will maximize my performance especially if it's my job. I dont see why pros wouldn't buy their own mice
@howl I didnt mean it that way I just randomly said a mouse I meant to say that if they ahd to pay a couple hundred bucks to maximize their performance I'm sure they wouldn't mind getting it over a worse free mouse ya feel
logitech: how should we make our business bigger? person a: lets make the best mouse shape, that's light, with great quality control, crisp clicks, grippy coating, and good aftermarket skates and feet person b: lets make spons- Logitech: THAT'S IT!
@@bedirhanozdemir that problem can be solved where the squeak is coming from and press it really hard, there is a guy in the Internet that explain this problem
I wanna say sponsorship definitely plays a big role into it. GPW's shape really isn't all too great, it's decent for most people, but probably not the best available. A fresh 640 is real nice, the mousepad makes more sense why they use it! They don't have to worry about durability. In addition, it's probably what pros are used to and they might not be open to change and trying something new.
Fun fact CS:GO teams are not bind to using their sponsors gear anymore. This was a huge case back in the day with Logitech. Now most use zowie mice and qck mousepads.
I just recently switched to the G640 a couples days ago from the SteelSeries QCK which I had for months now. I notice that they are both very different in feel. The Logictech G640 is more of a control mousepad while the SteelSeries QCK is a Speed mousepad. I honestly don’t know which one to use, but I’ve gotten use to the Logictech G640 which is massive and feels nice. My Steel Series Qck is tiny and it feels really nice to. Do you guys think that washing and cleaning these mousepads will give them a little bit of the brand new feel back? I cleaned my SteelSeries mousepad by using Bacteria Wipes and it felt very quick right after using it and looked almost brand new.
@@JAAR826 i assume that they get the mouse for free as part of sponsor (CMIIW), if i'm on their position ill do the same, i mean ill choose the best/flagship product
If I had to guess I'd say familiarity is a big part of it. If they're already playing at a high level they probably don't want to deal with that initial adjustment period that comes with a new mouse or pad.
When it comes to mouse 90% of all pros, at least in the CS:GO scene are free to use whatever mouse they prefer but have to use the sponsors keyboard and mousepad. Of course some contracts don't allow this but most do. The G pro is just favoured on most fps games because of the sensor and universal shape. Also as of right now with the scheduling they are using the players simply do not have time to become inconsistent in the game by trying a new mouse becuase they constantly have tournaments going on.
I can t agree more. Trying to things new weight new shape require time. After this time maybe you ll become better but in e sport tournament and big match are so frequent you have no time and when there is time those player use it to rest. There are a significant amount of burnout case in esport already.
This is a very real discussion and I love that BT has brought this forward. A lot of the equipments that these Pros are using is not really the best choice in terms of general consumer. People should do their own research before just buying the the thing because some Pro uses it
Hiko, the inhuman reactions guy. He has been trying out mice lately, longtime gpw user, then tried new zygen, and now has model o-, he could change it again but he is trying out alot of options
Great topic, BT! I do believe sponsorships and seeing peers at LAN events plays a major role in how a professional decides what to use. I also believe pros, once comfortable and perform to their expectations on a device don't feel the need to always find the next "end game". Us nerds are always looking and appreciating the latest and greatest! =P
Thanks Jaypher! I feel like if I was a pro I’d wanna use the best possible equipment especially if my team was struggling. Even if it only helped me 5-10%. I wonder if we’ll see a trend of pros trying new peripherals in the future. Would be crazy to see
@@BTaesthetics But searching the best gears is very long for a very minor improvement like a little more accuracy .assuming most pros are already freaking beast in individual skill it s just suranalysing at this level. They spend days scrimming and training as a team and days working on a lot of more important detail like communication positionning team play strategies this is a work a real work. Most of them can t allow them to list time finding the right mouse because there is a time to adapt and during this time they risk to perform bad. The same goes with lightweight mice. Playing a semi final in a major tournament involve a lot of stress and sometimes shaking in those case heavy mouse reduce the impact of shaking.
I can call myself an oldskool FPS gamer and after having tested so many different gaming peripherals in the past 20 years, mousepads are indeed one of the most inconsistent peripherals, they just wear over time and the glide is not consistent, until I found the Aorus AMP 500. This is a half-hybrid mousepad and the glide is so consistent, it's absolutely amazing. Atm I got an MM710, GPW and Glorious Model O- at home and the MM710/GMO- are my 2 favorites, glides so well too on the AMP. Lightweight is the bomb. My dream mouse would be a +- 45-50 gram lightweight ambidextrous wireless mouse, I'd pay big money for that if the finished product is of high quality.
Pretty sure most pros use it for such a long period of time because of contracts. For me the PERFECT gaming mouse would be: -Xm1 with slightly rounded edges where the ring finger is(this edge is always irritating me ) -wireless -larger mouse feet Done would never change ever again.
Love my xm1. I would also love to see the bigger feet and the Kailh switches from the rgb one in the non rgb version. I would also love some different color ways to match my setup aesthetic but that's it.
I think that mouse enthusiast are a very small group, most pros and people in general don`t know how much variety of mice are all out there, so sticking with the flasgship mice of one of the most popular brands of peripherials it`s a good choice for everybody. And sponsorship too, of course.
I too have the GPW+G640 and it extends a little bit past just sponsorships, TSM just won the November major for Rainbow 6 and every player has the exact same peripherals with very slight inconsistency in the monitors. Not only are they paid to use it but just the fact that they are good with it gives people like me the vision of if he's good with it I could be good with it and since it a well-rounded mouse I do good with it. This happens to a lot of people and it gets to the point where people now think that they need a mouse or a certain peripheral. But what a lot of people don't see is the pros can probably be good with any mouse/keyboard/mousepad that's decent. But mostly it just comes down to the fact they are paid to use a good product.
@@AcediaFPS I felt strange about the right click as well like a year a go, but it has been fine after that. Everything is still working just fine. I am not sure what happened, but it could be firmware related I guess. Now my G Pro has v15.2.26 firmware.
@Bertones I don't use razor products personaly bc most of my freinds use razor products and have always had issues with there keyboards and mouses through out the years. For the G Pro wireless 2 all they are doing is reducing it's weight to 60-66 grams from 80 grams and putting the hero 25k sensor on it.
@Bertones 💯 agree. Even tho I believe it's a great mouse. The most common complaint I see is it having double click issues. I haven't yet experienced it. But hopefully V2 will be better.
I use a G305 and I absolutely love it! I use it with a AAA NiCd battery and an adapter (it originally uses AA batteries), and this way it weights about 88-89g. I like the fact that it uses regular batteries instead of an internal rechargeable one, if it's low you just change it. No need for an extra cable (and btw my keyboard, the G413, has a passthrough where I put the dongle, so there's no need for that ugly USB extender cable), remembering to charge it every night and the hassle of opening it up to change the battery when it goes bad, that is, IF you can find its battery model when the time comes. And it's quite cheap, too, unlike the G PRO Wireless.
Yeah I kinda fell into the hype trap for the GPW, cause all my favourite players used it. When I got it, my aim got worse in every game, and I gave the mouse at least 2 weeks. Went back to 305 and 303 and aim back to good.
My case is the opposite: went back to GPW from 305 :) More consistent results on Kovaaks and especially DMs. Also tried and tested Viper / Viper Mini / XM1 / UL2 / FK2 / S2 / ZA13.
@@luminozo1610 Yeah just went back to my g303 after using gpw, viper ultimate, g305 and FM Capetown. Nothing just fits me well. I think g303 is the only small ish - medium mouse, that acutally sits well in large hands.
I just keep reading it, I grabbed one but made sure to grab the best buy protection for $20 I'll take it to the store and grab a second viper ultimate if that's the case. (mooshy keys are acceptable vs double clicking)
I just bought a g pro wireless last week, and it's honestly changed everything for me. Came from a model d then d minus, and even though the g pro is heavier, it's hardly noticeable. Immediately set a personal best in kovaaks, destroyed in overwatch, and absolutely bullied everyone in the cold war beta. Its a fantastic mouse.
ive had tons of mice just this past year, G pro wireless, G pro wireless Limited (White), Finalmouse UL2, Pure Pwnage Custom wireless(to big for my hands), G wolves skoll mini sks-ace, Aerox 3 wireless (great mice, mice feet are meh, why little mice feet?), G Pro Superlight x has been the best mice ive used(PRICY).Ebay only place I found it. I've been the most accurate on the G pro wireless and G pro wireless superlight x mice with tracking. Mouse pad ive had zowie GSR, Artisan Zero, cooler master mp510, and currently on the logitech G840 a 640 XXL size(8 months). Ive switch back and forth between all of them artisan was not a game changer(meh), Zowie GSR is a great mouse pad u have alot of control some would say that muddy feeling, rocketninja review of the mp510 was rated very high but i didnt do great on it switching sensitivity in game to hone in my accuracy (apex legends), rough on ur mouse feet u can feel that friction. the 640 and 850 has been the best mouse pad that i have used with tracking players. Might buy that newer artisan ninja fx hayati outsu its just a bit pricy for something that u might be dissapointed in. G pro superlight x seems to be my end game mice
I used this mousepad for a year with a EC1 and G pro. Its not lost any color for me and still feels the same but kind of high sensitivity player. My arm isn't shooting all over the mousepad only on big movements. Most pros are not forced to use the mouse or mousepad just because of a sponsorship.
I honestly have no preference anymore lmao. I've kept switching my sens almost everyday since Corona started. At the time, I started to paint my finalmouse, so I had to use my g502. Now I'm so used to it and cant even play with my air58 lmao. Honestly, if I like something, I'll play well with it.
i have a glorious model o glossy, its a bit too large for my baby hands but the one thing i hate most about it is the glossy finish. Its so damn slippery, like holding a bar of soap
@@dust7962 and I never said I couldn't tell the difference. Please stop making dumb points to fit with your arguement. Of course I can feel the difference.
@@dust7962 you have no rights to talk with that profile picture and your youtube description, always cringe but funny at the same time how fortnite scrubs think they have good aim.
The g pro wireless is such a great shape and it’s gotten lighter and lighter until the g pro wireless cane out and obviously it’s wireless it’s also been out for awhile so if it’s not broke don’t fix it or change it
Last year Shroud said that if you switch your gear every couple months you'll never improve, since you're throwing off your muscle memory. Lots of pro's use Logitech gear because they're a massive company that is going to be around for years to come, and in the case of n0thing are willing to make custom mice for their pro's.
I’ve tried multiple mouses such as G305 , Model O, Deathadder Elite , a few Zowie mices, Viper Ultimate, and last of all gpw. I think I have found the perfect mouse for me, I love the gpw and how it fits in my hand and it just overall feels a lot better than my old main mouse (G305)
I love my white gpro and my G840 mouse pad on both of my pc's, I've had them a long time and play at least 8-10hrs a day and haven't had any of the problems you've mentioned.
gonna be honest when i found this mouse it was like finding a soul mate i love simple shapes i love 80 grams the size is great for me the sensor is amazing and modular side buttons and i have never had a problem with this mouse just my opinions with this thing tho
Had the double clicking issue on the right button for my G pro wireless as well. Swapped the omron switches for Kailh GM4.0 Reds and the issue was fixed for me
I myself am using the full logitech g pro setup and it is really amazing. I know there are newer mice, keyboards headphones etc. But tbh they dont make much of a difference for a ll i know. Correct me if im wrong but the g pro set is worth every penny
I always go back to the GPW. No matter how good the new mice get, the GPW just feels perfect. My brother for example, has been going through all the latest top mice for the last 2 years and now, he bought his own GPW and has stuck with it.
Vast majority of pros aren't forced to use sponsored gear. They used to have to for a limited time, but not anymore. That's why you still have a lot of people sponsored by Logitech or Razer or whatever that use different brands of mice.
been using the razer viper ultimate and razer goliathus extended chroma for about 9 months now and they are basically in perfect condition, i could sell them as new and no one would know.
I want a G Pro wireless that's ever so slightly larger. Maybe they could make a couple more, 1 and 2 size steps up? Sometimes I just feel like the G Pro wireless isn't quite wide enough.
@@bogieatk a bit late to this comment, but have you noticed any signs of the mousepad wearing out and losing its coating? Just curious because a lot of ppl reporting bad durability
@@ok-ue7yl yeah, ive had it for 4 months and its starting to lose its coating (i play 10-14 hours a day though(because of online school and my insomnia)), but for the quality im willing to keep buying new ones
As a former G640 User I can confirm, after a month the pad doesnt feel as smooth anymore. Even carefully washing the pad doesn't do anything. If new its like one of the best pads imo. (Note: Only for users who like low friciton pads) but buying a new pad every month or so is just ridiculous. After that I've got the Zowie G-SR-SE which is similar but holds a longer and even washing helped to regain the low friction feeling again. Unfortunately they don't sell them anymore. Currently im testing the successor GTF-X
The big thing for me is that yes, there are a lot of new mice out that are amazing, but there really isn't that many options for wireless mice. I have firmly moved into the "once you go wireless, you can't go back" camp. That really only leaves us with a few competitors in the space. I'm still holding out hope that logitech releases a wireless g303 as that is the ultimate fingertip mouse for me but the wire was always so stiff. To me, the g pro wireless and the viper ultimate are the top two wireless mice and until something else comes along, that's what we will be stuck with. I've tried other wireless mice like the pwnage ultra custom, and it is a great mouse in all aspects except I couldn't stand the clicks on it, so im back with my g pro wireless. Also, I dont know if you know, but logitech released a firmware update that seems to have fixed the double click issue on the g pro wireless. My g pro wireless had that issue since release (although it wasn't super noticeable) but after the firmware update, it seems to be gone entirely. So that's good news!
I feel like Artisan pads would be a good way for pros to get the feel they want. I tried one of them out (Raiden) and it was prob the best mouse pad I've tried. Super smooth and slick and very consistent!
Not many wireless options. Years ago when razer released the mamba, I had battery and charging issues. The viper ultimate has an issue charging with the dock, nothing has changed. Logitech has better warranty and being popular, it's among a smaller list of mice that you can buy quality feet for.
I still go back to GPW after having tried all these ultralight mice and even viper ultimate though. At least for me, there is something about GPW shape + it being wireless that I think makes it a great FPS mouse. As for G640, I agree they are using it purely due to sponsorship. Then again, it is a good if not a great mousepad if you can always use it on "new" state
As a competitor in csgo, I can say this: "You'll only be as good as you are at the game" What I mean is, after you go beyond a certain point, the gears you use will have a very limited impact on your skill. It will make playing more comfortable and probably last longer, but it will not improve your skills instantly. I've seen people at tournaments using a G102 on a beaten up knockoff razer goliathus mouspad, and still manage to kick some ass. Practice and good habits will have way more positive impact than switching from a good mouse to a great one.
A mouse plays a big role in my gaming as I have carpal tunnel syndrome (8+ hours of using a mouse during work + 3-4 hours of gaming every day does that to you), so picking out the perfect mouse for me is crucial. I used to use a Steelseries Sensei Ten (awesome mouse, no doubt about that), but the shape and the cable drag (even with a bungee) hindered my performance and caused me pain after a longer session (2+ hours). Ever since I switched to the G703 (wireless, ergo, better balanced - once you remove the weight holder, better quality - subjective, I feel like it's a better quality mouse overall) my performance has skyrocketed, and I can hold on to longer sessions without pain. I know my case is a rare one, but regarding pros - why play on an old mouse or mousepad when you can afford the best in class? It's the same for me as a software engineer - I could code on a $400 laptop no problem, but why risk hindering my performance for which I get paid for when I can afford a great workstation?
@@krypton9808 For pros, it's also a matter of priority. "If the current setup works why spend the time researching and getting used to new stuff, when I can use that time practicing and studying the game?" Of course, when a big enough upgrade becomes available this priority shifts around, but in the end of the day the player is the main factor. And it's gonna be a similar thing even for you, once you find that the G703 works for you, I doubt getting a supposedly better G703-like mouse will improve your performance in-game, the G703 is "that certain point" for you.
As much as I can understand not liking the idea of replacing a mat every so often, this is hardly a situation that is specific to gaming and gaming gear. In an sport like skateboarding, for example, your "gear" gets worn out and/or broken, and needs to be replaced. This is applicable to all parts but very specifically the deck that is ridden can break at any moment. A lot of times you'll see pros in videos go into a warehouse and just grab stacks of boards, never really worrying about how long they will last because they can just grab a new one. When it comes to cloth pads, I'm well aware of fabrics not staying 100%^ the same through their lifespan. I go into it knowing I'll probably end up replacing a pad roughly every 6 months or so.
Well whenever Logitech comes out with an actual updated version of the G Pro wireless and not just one that is skinned with Shroud's colors and logo I'll probably go back to it but my first and only one that I had. One of the side buttons crapped out and then I switched to the Razer Viper Ultimate. Other than that another mouse that I and a lot of other people really like is the G502 but at 115 grams (for the updated wireless version) it's not quite competitive. If they make that at a sub 80 gram weight, that would be my go to mouse.
I am in top 10 in quite a few drills on Aiming.pro, Aimbeast and Kovaaks. I thought my aim was pretty good but the analysis on aiming.pro showed me that my speed sucked. I switched from a control pad to a hard pad. And got myself the Logitech pro x superlight. Now my aim is even better. I am a wrist player with fingertip/claw grip. Try out hard pads :) give it a chance.
Yesterday I was watching Hal in Apex tourney and TSM has a Logitech sponsor so he's using their peripherals but yesterday he had finalmouse. So I would say it's because: 1) They have to use them because of the contract 2) It's free and top tier, why would I make a change 3) There's not to many PRO's who like change things and they are not fanatics in peripherals in general
I use a G Pro Wireless with the PowerPlay recharging mousepad. It's nice to have a wireless mouse that never needs to charge or change batteries. It's a great mouse but I wish I would have waited until they released the G502 Lightspeed Wireless. The G502 was my baby.
Tbh I don’t think pros will even want to upgrade to other mice or mousepad, they do used to what they use to the point they would reject an artisan mouse pad. But if they can except something new they might get better but how many pro will care enough to try something new and work their aim from the ground up again, it’s just not comfortable for them.
I would agree one of the reasons is sponsors. Another reason I would say is that they’re just very used to the gpro and its one of the best mice so why change?
Yeah the mousepad sucks. Dont know why but after 3 months of use there started to be spots that my mouse refused to register on, similar to pixel skipping. I have cleaned it over 15 times I'd say and for about 4 days to a week it would be fine, then out of nowhere (not eating or getting anything on my mousepad in these times) the spots would reappear. You cant see it on the mousepad itself, but the mouse censor just loves to not pick up on these spots. Like I said, if i clean it it's fine for a little, then they come back. I'm not fond of having to clean a mousepad every week. Happend on all my mice so it has to be a mousepad issue.
lmao just because something is "new" doesn't mean its always better. Especially if its a comparison between the gpw and the razer viper ultimate. They are both amazing, specifications wise the razer viper ultimate is better but it wont be better for everyone specifically. You saying the gpw needs an update is right. It does need an update.
@@nurjohann it's absolutely a good mouse in general but might not be good for a particular person if they don't like the shape. Techne/boardzy fanboy I'm guessing
i just bought the gpw two days ago to try out wireless and the shape to see if i’d want to buy the super light coming out since i’ve been trying mice left and right the last 2 months. long story short, wireless is nutty and so is this damn mouse. the shape is p e r f e c t
I think if I was a pro without a sponsorship I would gravitate towards the Glorious lineup with the model O/O- and D/D-. But its all about those sponsorships though.
Maybe I’m the odd ball but I prefer the g903. I feel if it was around the same weight as the g pro it would be the perfect mouse because I have long fingers and I’m a hybrid palm grip.
I had 3 and all 3 started double clicking im over it. Its a really good mouse but the switches go out to fast, but now im using the razer viper ultimate and I love it !!
I've been using the gwolves Skoll (with aftermarket grips to cover the holes) on the aqua control plus for a while now and haven't been compelled to try anything else yet. Very satisfied.
honestly, i've tried a slew of pads and i always end up going back to the 640. I've cleaned it twice over the last twoish years and haven't ever noticed a difference in how it plays. It just feels the most consistent imo. The only thing I hate is the baby blue siding/undercoat
I’ve tried a ton of mice (endgame, viper ultimate, model o) yet I always end up coming back to the g pro wireless (with corepadz). I just love the light tactile clicks and smooth glide with the corepadz
The G pro is probably the smoothest mouse I’ve gamed with, but it’s not the most reliable nor comfortable for me personally. I know use the razer basilisk v2, it’s a little heavy but it’s my favorite hands down.
i think i like the rvu better but i dont know what ill think once the model o wireless comes. Thanks for hearting this btw I love your content soooo much I’m stupid I just edited the comment now the hearts gone 😭😂
People need to realize that lighter mice doesn’t essientially mean better. 70-85 grams is a good middle ground for low to high sens. Ultra light mice should only be used in very low sens cases as its hard to be precise with ultra light mice with middle to high sens as less force is needed to move the mouse therefore less room for precision
Largely sponsorships, partly familiarity and availability. If something goes wrong with a GPW, you can replace it faster than pretty much any non-big named company. Literally run over to best buy real quick and pick up a replacement if you need to. As far as the mousepad goes, the newer "blue" 640's are pretty nice and don't have the raised logo. The regular black ones are cheap like the QCK's and get muddy real quick. I also think Shroud's has a similar surface to the blue version and has no raised art. They even seem to have a more even X,Y resistance which surprised me. I do hope Esports tiger gets more popular though so they make more pads, I LOVE their designs.
![BLACK BAG - Official Trailer [HD] - Only in Theaters March 14](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Du0Xp8WX_7I/mqdefault.jpg)
Let me know your thoughts on this.. You think pros need to branch out more?
Yes
If they haven't....
They should try XM1‘s and Artisan Mousepads, then they‘re good lol
Yo B what mouse skates are you using on there and how did you get the one for the ring around the sensor? Hyperglides don't offer the ring for some reason...
I'm a bit skeptical as to if the G Pro wireless is a sponsor as most sponsors give leeway for mice. Think of all the players who used to use Zowie mice. But GPW could still be a sponsor. G640 is 100% sponsor, QCK is at least cheap to replace and a much better surface. Shroud is 100% a shill. Razer > Logitech
One word: *Sponsors*
In keyboards and mousepad yes. But most of the orgs in FPS games don't force their players to use their mouse. Take TenZ for example (Cloud 9 Valorant) He's on cloud 9 which is sponsored by Hyper X but he uses g pro wireless / razer viper ultimate / viper mini
@@szymacs7106 of course there are pros that use different mice. but even without sponsor forcing to use their mouse, they literally get unlimited mice from the sponsor, so why would they buy own mice with OWN money, if they can get like 5 logitech mice from logitech if the team is sponsored by logitech?
And either way g pro wireless is still basically better than most of those "lighter light weight mice" on the spec side. So if u add the sponsor and the quality there just isnt any other reason to use any other mouse yet other than the weight and shape, but usually if u try to find lighter mice, they have wire and too often worse sensor or switches(yes i know the difference isnt big nowadays in sensors for exam. but theyre pros, they recognise it easier.
And even 60g WIRED mouse feels same weight as g pro WIRELESS while it is 80g.
Based on my own exp ofc.
@@nikohippi5363 I disagree I'd pay 50 dollars for a model o of it will maximize my performance especially if it's my job. I dont see why pros wouldn't buy their own mice
@howl I didnt mean it that way I just randomly said a mouse I meant to say that if they ahd to pay a couple hundred bucks to maximize their performance I'm sure they wouldn't mind getting it over a worse free mouse ya feel
@@szymacs7106 and the zowie S2
logitech: how should we make our business bigger?
person a: lets make the best mouse shape, that's light, with great quality control, crisp clicks, grippy coating, and good aftermarket skates and feet
person b: lets make spons-
Logitech: THAT'S IT!
@MasterSquid isn’t that their three prong usb c cable? Isn’t that a three prong fork?
Logitech is doing this with the G Pro Wireless Superlite
@@razzclatt The logitech trident.
@@bedirhanozdemir that problem can be solved where the squeak is coming from and press it really hard, there is a guy in the Internet that explain this problem
@@orlandowho5294 poorly aged comment
I wanna say sponsorship definitely plays a big role into it. GPW's shape really isn't all too great, it's decent for most people, but probably not the best available. A fresh 640 is real nice, the mousepad makes more sense why they use it! They don't have to worry about durability. In addition, it's probably what pros are used to and they might not be open to change and trying something new.
g640 feels sooooo good when you first get it
I hate the GPW at 80G they need to make a mini GPW like right now...
@@TonyTheTiger1000
So before 80g mouse what were you using?
I bought a g pro thinking it would be a good mouse but the shape is just so bad, wasted 120 basically
Pros these days don't have to use sponsored hear they can use whatever it's just that the gpw is a good mice
Fun fact CS:GO teams are not bind to using their sponsors gear anymore. This was a huge case back in the day with Logitech. Now most use zowie mice and qck mousepads.
Yeah i think only s1mple now uses the G Pro Wireless. But that's saying a lot since hes the best player like ever.
@@lime4 shox uses it too
@@lime4 not
most professionals use G Pro Wireless
I just recently switched to the G640 a couples days ago from the SteelSeries QCK which I had for months now. I notice that they are both very different in feel. The Logictech G640 is more of a control mousepad while the SteelSeries QCK is a Speed mousepad. I honestly don’t know which one to use, but I’ve gotten use to the Logictech G640 which is massive and feels nice. My Steel Series Qck is tiny and it feels really nice to. Do you guys think that washing and cleaning these mousepads will give them a little bit of the brand new feel back? I cleaned my SteelSeries mousepad by using Bacteria Wipes and it felt very quick right after using it and looked almost brand new.
@@tenshi1333 what qck ain't no speed is a mud pad after some use
the logitech badge at the pros jersey expalains all, but yeah its good product
true but why not g502 or 902 is what I'm wondering. they are also Logitech productss
@@JAAR826 i assume that they get the mouse for free as part of sponsor (CMIIW), if i'm on their position ill do the same, i mean ill choose the best/flagship product
@@JAAR826 g502 and 902 are a bit heavy and big for professional fps gamers. They prefer lighter and smaller mice
@@Duck-re3tm although there are exceptions,like tarik from team liquid CSGO uses a razer mouse
@@ghost_ib9928 Tarik's from EG, and EG is sponsored by Razer
If I had to guess I'd say familiarity is a big part of it. If they're already playing at a high level they probably don't want to deal with that initial adjustment period that comes with a new mouse or pad.
When it comes to mouse 90% of all pros, at least in the CS:GO scene are free to use whatever mouse they prefer but have to use the sponsors keyboard and mousepad. Of course some contracts don't allow this but most do. The G pro is just favoured on most fps games because of the sensor and universal shape. Also as of right now with the scheduling they are using the players simply do not have time to become inconsistent in the game by trying a new mouse becuase they constantly have tournaments going on.
I can t agree more. Trying to things new weight new shape require time. After this time maybe you ll become better but in e sport tournament and big match are so frequent you have no time and when there is time those player use it to rest. There are a significant amount of burnout case in esport already.
definitely not forced to use any mousepad either or headset maybe keyboard but unlikely since a lot dont
This is a very real discussion and I love that BT has brought this forward. A lot of the equipments that these Pros are using is not really the best choice in terms of general consumer. People should do their own research before just buying the the thing because some Pro uses it
Hiko, the inhuman reactions guy. He has been trying out mice lately, longtime gpw user, then tried new zygen, and now has model o-, he could change it again but he is trying out alot of options
It’s been really fun watching him try out all these mice on stream! I like that he’s branching out. Thanks for commenting!
he was contacted by glorious themselves and they got model o- wireless in the making
@@LRwutful someone should make him contact razer and make them give us a viper mini wireless
Now he is using the model o wireless
And now he's on the GPW superlight with a esports tiger pad
Great topic, BT! I do believe sponsorships and seeing peers at LAN events plays a major role in how a professional decides what to use. I also believe pros, once comfortable and perform to their expectations on a device don't feel the need to always find the next "end game". Us nerds are always looking and appreciating the latest and greatest! =P
Thanks Jaypher! I feel like if I was a pro I’d wanna use the best possible equipment especially if my team was struggling. Even if it only helped me 5-10%. I wonder if we’ll see a trend of pros trying new peripherals in the future. Would be crazy to see
@@BTaesthetics But searching the best gears is very long for a very minor improvement like a little more accuracy .assuming most pros are already freaking beast in individual skill it s just suranalysing at this level. They spend days scrimming and training as a team and days working on a lot of more important detail like communication positionning team play strategies this is a work a real work. Most of them can t allow them to list time finding the right mouse because there is a time to adapt and during this time they risk to perform bad. The same goes with lightweight mice. Playing a semi final in a major tournament involve a lot of stress and sometimes shaking in those case heavy mouse reduce the impact of shaking.
I can call myself an oldskool FPS gamer and after having tested so many different gaming peripherals in the past 20 years, mousepads are indeed one of the most inconsistent peripherals, they just wear over time and the glide is not consistent, until I found the Aorus AMP 500. This is a half-hybrid mousepad and the glide is so consistent, it's absolutely amazing. Atm I got an MM710, GPW and Glorious Model O- at home and the MM710/GMO- are my 2 favorites, glides so well too on the AMP. Lightweight is the bomb. My dream mouse would be a +- 45-50 gram lightweight ambidextrous wireless mouse, I'd pay big money for that if the finished product is of high quality.
Pretty sure most pros use it for such a long period of time because of contracts.
For me the PERFECT gaming mouse would be:
-Xm1 with slightly rounded edges where the ring finger is(this edge is always irritating me )
-wireless
-larger mouse feet
Done would never change ever again.
Xm1 was alright, too small I think but not a bad mouse
Love my xm1. I would also love to see the bigger feet and the Kailh switches from the rgb one in the non rgb version. I would also love some different color ways to match my setup aesthetic but that's it.
@@lunchbox437 I might have to buy one and try it again
Give me Wireless XM1 mini brah
the moment a wireless XM1 drops i will insta cop
I think that mouse enthusiast are a very small group, most pros and people in general don`t know how much variety of mice are all out there, so sticking with the flasgship mice of one of the most popular brands of peripherials it`s a good choice for everybody. And sponsorship too, of course.
Havent really seen a FPS enthusiast not being somewhat Mice enthusiast.
BT there’s no way you actually made a video about this, I was having this exact thought a few days ago... the B-roll in this is c r i s p
Thanks Gustavo! This has been on my mind for awhile
I’ve had this combo for 5 months now the pad is still really good
I too have the GPW+G640 and it extends a little bit past just sponsorships, TSM just won the November major for Rainbow 6 and every player has the exact same peripherals with very slight inconsistency in the monitors. Not only are they paid to use it but just the fact that they are good with it gives people like me the vision of if he's good with it I could be good with it and since it a well-rounded mouse I do good with it. This happens to a lot of people and it gets to the point where people now think that they need a mouse or a certain peripheral. But what a lot of people don't see is the pros can probably be good with any mouse/keyboard/mousepad that's decent. But mostly it just comes down to the fact they are paid to use a good product.
Been using G Pro wireless for almost 2 years, and it is my most favorite mouse of all time.
yeah ive had mine over a year and its def the best mouse i have ever used
have you ever had the double click issue?
@@AcediaFPS I felt strange about the right click as well like a year a go, but it has been fine after that. Everything is still working just fine. I am not sure what happened, but it could be firmware related I guess. Now my G Pro has v15.2.26 firmware.
@@RathaSiv ah just ordered mine yesterday hopefully i wont have any issues, thanks for your thoughts tho
It's a great mouse. I've owned it for 2 years. Can't wait for V2 to come out with in the next year.
@Bertones I don't use razor products personaly bc most of my freinds use razor products and have always had issues with there keyboards and mouses through out the years. For the G Pro wireless 2 all they are doing is reducing it's weight to 60-66 grams from 80 grams and putting the hero 25k sensor on it.
@Bertones 💯 agree. Even tho I believe it's a great mouse. The most common complaint I see is it having double click issues. I haven't yet experienced it. But hopefully V2 will be better.
ruclips.net/video/How21lqrVmw/видео.html it's a year old but hopefully it helps. There has been a lot of improvements software wise from both sides.
Then I recommend you buy one try it for week. Return it and try the other one and make a decision then.
i got the G pro wireless and the G640 and it is a fantastic combo. That is all i can say.
I just got a g pro wireless a few days ago switching my g502, and i like the light weight and the cordless feeling of it.
Why not the GPW Superlight?
@@f.f.2260 It wasn't even announced at the time.
@@IliyaMiro WTF are you saying, i have it from 1 week
@@f.f.2260 I didn't heard about it. It wasn't available in my country anyway.
@@IliyaMiro what's your country?
I use a G305 and I absolutely love it! I use it with a AAA NiCd battery and an adapter (it originally uses AA batteries), and this way it weights about 88-89g. I like the fact that it uses regular batteries instead of an internal rechargeable one, if it's low you just change it. No need for an extra cable (and btw my keyboard, the G413, has a passthrough where I put the dongle, so there's no need for that ugly USB extender cable), remembering to charge it every night and the hassle of opening it up to change the battery when it goes bad, that is, IF you can find its battery model when the time comes. And it's quite cheap, too, unlike the G PRO Wireless.
I’ve had my g pro wireless for over a year now, I’ve never had any issues and I’ve really enjoyed it.
@@thegravemage4005 www.amazon.com/Glorious-Extended-Mouse-Pad-White/dp/B07C8444ZW/ref=asc_df_B07C8444ZW/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=416795339239&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7246736758232206073&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9014419&hvtargid=pla-882129151635&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=99283607212&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=416795339239&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7246736758232206073&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9014419&hvtargid=pla-882129151635
Yeah I kinda fell into the hype trap for the GPW, cause all my favourite players used it. When I got it, my aim got worse in every game, and I gave the mouse at least 2 weeks. Went back to 305 and 303 and aim back to good.
My case is the opposite: went back to GPW from 305 :) More consistent results on Kovaaks and especially DMs. Also tried and tested Viper / Viper Mini / XM1 / UL2 / FK2 / S2 / ZA13.
Yes I still have my g303 from 4 years ago, and I always go back to it, I had over 15 mice.
@@luminozo1610 Yeah just went back to my g303 after using gpw, viper ultimate, g305 and FM Capetown. Nothing just fits me well. I think g303 is the only small ish - medium mouse, that acutally sits well in large hands.
Probably because it’s a 600$ mouse and you can brag to your friends about it lol
When it eventually double clicks in a few months/years, you'd definitely want to be sponsored by Logitech so they can replace it for free.
Bro mine started double clicking 1 week in
Which is perfect for me since I play minecraft
@@razeenrajaful lol
Never experienced this on any of mine.
@@smaariseth me neither also spending 200+ on a mouse dont b a tool and buy warranty
I just keep reading it, I grabbed one but made sure to grab the best buy protection for $20 I'll take it to the store and grab a second viper ultimate if that's the case. (mooshy keys are acceptable vs double clicking)
I just bought a g pro wireless last week, and it's honestly changed everything for me. Came from a model d then d minus, and even though the g pro is heavier, it's hardly noticeable. Immediately set a personal best in kovaaks, destroyed in overwatch, and absolutely bullied everyone in the cold war beta. Its a fantastic mouse.
4:08 took me about 10 minutes to realise that Teamspeak notification wasnt on my pc...
Nice video! I like this format because it keeps it fresh and encourages some level of interaction between viewers and RUclipsr. Keep it up!
Thanks Donavan! Appreciate the feedback!
Perfect timing. My g pro will be here on Tuesday!
Hey man, how is it serving you? I plan on getting one as well
@@nx7249 get one best decision I ever made
spot on with the information, another flawless video my brotha
Personally, I dislike the G pro wireless coating. Had to buff it with sandpaper and now I’m loving the glossy coat feeling.
Feels like plasticy toy lol
What grit did you use?
@@Seagrad 2500 and worked my way up til 4000
@@salvadorfernandez3455 alright thank you
Yea I agree, terrible coating especially for sweaty hands.
Another nice video, BT
Can't wait for your GPW Superlight review!
ive had tons of mice just this past year, G pro wireless, G pro wireless Limited (White), Finalmouse UL2, Pure Pwnage Custom wireless(to big for my hands), G wolves skoll mini sks-ace, Aerox 3 wireless (great mice, mice feet are meh, why little mice feet?), G Pro Superlight x has been the best mice ive used(PRICY).Ebay only place I found it. I've been the most accurate on the G pro wireless and G pro wireless superlight x mice with tracking. Mouse pad ive had zowie GSR, Artisan Zero, cooler master mp510, and currently on the logitech G840 a 640 XXL size(8 months). Ive switch back and forth between all of them artisan was not a game changer(meh), Zowie GSR is a great mouse pad u have alot of control some would say that muddy feeling, rocketninja review of the mp510 was rated very high but i didnt do great on it switching sensitivity in game to hone in my accuracy (apex legends), rough on ur mouse feet u can feel that friction. the 640 and 850 has been the best mouse pad that i have used with tracking players. Might buy that newer artisan ninja fx hayati outsu its just a bit pricy for something that u might be dissapointed in. G pro superlight x seems to be my end game mice
I used this mousepad for a year with a EC1 and G pro. Its not lost any color for me and still feels the same but kind of high sensitivity player. My arm isn't shooting all over the mousepad only on big movements. Most pros are not forced to use the mouse or mousepad just because of a sponsorship.
I honestly have no preference anymore lmao. I've kept switching my sens almost everyday since Corona started. At the time, I started to paint my finalmouse, so I had to use my g502. Now I'm so used to it and cant even play with my air58 lmao. Honestly, if I like something, I'll play well with it.
i have a glorious model o glossy, its a bit too large for my baby hands but the one thing i hate most about it is the glossy finish. Its so damn slippery, like holding a bar of soap
If you can't tell the difference between aiming with a brick and a pretty light mouse your aim sucks.
@@dust7962 ikr, I suck. Just because I got used to using a heavy mouse again means I suck. God I'm sooo bad. The hell man.
@@dust7962 and I never said I couldn't tell the difference. Please stop making dumb points to fit with your arguement. Of course I can feel the difference.
@@dust7962 you have no rights to talk with that profile picture and your youtube description, always cringe but funny at the same time how fortnite scrubs think they have good aim.
I’ve gone through a handful of mice over the past 2-3 years. I’ve had the most consistency with the Model O. Excited for the wireless version!
I pre-ordered the Model O wireless as well coming from a hati. Really excited to try wireless!
The g pro wireless is such a great shape and it’s gotten lighter and lighter until the g pro wireless cane out and obviously it’s wireless it’s also been out for awhile so if it’s not broke don’t fix it or change it
Last year Shroud said that if you switch your gear every couple months you'll never improve, since you're throwing off your muscle memory. Lots of pro's use Logitech gear because they're a massive company that is going to be around for years to come, and in the case of n0thing are willing to make custom mice for their pro's.
I’ve tried multiple mouses such as G305 , Model O, Deathadder Elite , a few Zowie mices, Viper Ultimate, and last of all gpw. I think I have found the perfect mouse for me, I love the gpw and how it fits in my hand and it just overall feels a lot better than my old main mouse (G305)
I also went from using(main mouse) the g305 to a gpw, I'm just waiting for a chance to get a PMM gpw shaped mouse.
I love my white gpro and my G840 mouse pad on both of my pc's, I've had them a long time and play at least 8-10hrs a day and haven't had any of the problems you've mentioned.
gonna be honest when i found this mouse it was like finding a soul mate
i love simple shapes
i love 80 grams
the size is great for me
the sensor is amazing
and modular side buttons
and i have never had a problem with this mouse
just my opinions with this thing tho
Same here brother. Didnt disappoint
how long have you been using it? some people say they faced double clicks after some time
@@solthix8547 ?
@@MrAknur i know, so did i but they just go away after a few days
@@MrAknur I have been using it for 2 years, still work like day 1
your sponsor deals are always interesting to watch, keep up the good work Brandon!
Had the double clicking issue on the right button for my G pro wireless as well. Swapped the omron switches for Kailh GM4.0 Reds and the issue was fixed for me
I myself am using the full logitech g pro setup and it is really amazing. I know there are newer mice, keyboards headphones etc. But tbh they dont make much of a difference for a ll i know. Correct me if im wrong but the g pro set is worth every penny
I always go back to the GPW. No matter how good the new mice get, the GPW just feels perfect. My brother for example, has been going through all the latest top mice for the last 2 years and now, he bought his own GPW and has stuck with it.
Vast majority of pros aren't forced to use sponsored gear. They used to have to for a limited time, but not anymore. That's why you still have a lot of people sponsored by Logitech or Razer or whatever that use different brands of mice.
been using the razer viper ultimate and razer goliathus extended chroma for about 9 months now and they are basically in perfect condition, i could sell them as new and no one would know.
I had the double click problem multiple times... what I did: buy new switches (
I want a G Pro wireless that's ever so slightly larger. Maybe they could make a couple more, 1 and 2 size steps up? Sometimes I just feel like the G Pro wireless isn't quite wide enough.
I have this combo because of my favorite streamer, i absolutely love it!
how long have you had that combo?
@@ivyu0438 around 2 months
@@bogieatk a bit late to this comment, but have you noticed any signs of the mousepad wearing out and losing its coating? Just curious because a lot of ppl reporting bad durability
@@ok-ue7yl yeah, ive had it for 4 months and its starting to lose its coating (i play 10-14 hours a day though(because of online school and my insomnia)), but for the quality im willing to keep buying new ones
@@bogieatk Ok thx bro
As a former G640 User I can confirm, after a month the pad doesnt feel as smooth anymore. Even carefully washing the pad doesn't do anything. If new its like one of the best pads imo. (Note: Only for users who like low friciton pads)
but buying a new pad every month or so is just ridiculous. After that I've got the Zowie G-SR-SE which is similar but holds a longer and even washing helped to regain the low friction feeling again. Unfortunately they don't sell them anymore.
Currently im testing the successor GTF-X
The big thing for me is that yes, there are a lot of new mice out that are amazing, but there really isn't that many options for wireless mice. I have firmly moved into the "once you go wireless, you can't go back" camp. That really only leaves us with a few competitors in the space. I'm still holding out hope that logitech releases a wireless g303 as that is the ultimate fingertip mouse for me but the wire was always so stiff. To me, the g pro wireless and the viper ultimate are the top two wireless mice and until something else comes along, that's what we will be stuck with. I've tried other wireless mice like the pwnage ultra custom, and it is a great mouse in all aspects except I couldn't stand the clicks on it, so im back with my g pro wireless.
Also, I dont know if you know, but logitech released a firmware update that seems to have fixed the double click issue on the g pro wireless. My g pro wireless had that issue since release (although it wasn't super noticeable) but after the firmware update, it seems to be gone entirely. So that's good news!
Victsing Long XXL literally goat mousepad and it’s huge for $14. Used QCKs in the past and would always have to replace them every 6 months or so
I feel like Artisan pads would be a good way for pros to get the feel they want. I tried one of them out (Raiden) and it was prob the best mouse pad I've tried. Super smooth and slick and very consistent!
I use a g pro wireless w the g840 mousepad and imo ive been at my best form using it and its very comfortable
Where’d you get your g840?
@@justinturkaly2034 I live in Saudi Arabia i got it from somewhere like best buy just not best buy don’t rlly know where u can get them
I've only ever had the GPW it feels good to me and I've never had any problems, although I dont know anything else and can't compare it to anything.
I recently got g305. I'm pretty happy with it. Hero sensor is pretty good.
Not many wireless options. Years ago when razer released the mamba, I had battery and charging issues. The viper ultimate has an issue charging with the dock, nothing has changed. Logitech has better warranty and being popular, it's among a smaller list of mice that you can buy quality feet for.
I still go back to GPW after having tried all these ultralight mice and even viper ultimate though. At least for me, there is something about GPW shape + it being wireless that I think makes it a great FPS mouse. As for G640, I agree they are using it purely due to sponsorship. Then again, it is a good if not a great mousepad if you can always use it on "new" state
Ive used my g640 for a long time now 7 months and nothing wrong with it still close to good as new
As a competitor in csgo, I can say this: "You'll only be as good as you are at the game"
What I mean is, after you go beyond a certain point, the gears you use will have a very limited impact on your skill. It will make playing more comfortable and probably last longer, but it will not improve your skills instantly.
I've seen people at tournaments using a G102 on a beaten up knockoff razer goliathus mouspad, and still manage to kick some ass.
Practice and good habits will have way more positive impact than switching from a good mouse to a great one.
furthermore, keyboards and mices won't improve your game knowledge / game reading / calls / map movements / map position / crosshair placement
A mouse plays a big role in my gaming as I have carpal tunnel syndrome (8+ hours of using a mouse during work + 3-4 hours of gaming every day does that to you), so picking out the perfect mouse for me is crucial. I used to use a Steelseries Sensei Ten (awesome mouse, no doubt about that), but the shape and the cable drag (even with a bungee) hindered my performance and caused me pain after a longer session (2+ hours). Ever since I switched to the G703 (wireless, ergo, better balanced - once you remove the weight holder, better quality - subjective, I feel like it's a better quality mouse overall) my performance has skyrocketed, and I can hold on to longer sessions without pain.
I know my case is a rare one, but regarding pros - why play on an old mouse or mousepad when you can afford the best in class? It's the same for me as a software engineer - I could code on a $400 laptop no problem, but why risk hindering my performance for which I get paid for when I can afford a great workstation?
@@krypton9808 For pros, it's also a matter of priority. "If the current setup works why spend the time researching and getting used to new stuff, when I can use that time practicing and studying the game?" Of course, when a big enough upgrade becomes available this priority shifts around, but in the end of the day the player is the main factor.
And it's gonna be a similar thing even for you, once you find that the G703 works for you, I doubt getting a supposedly better G703-like mouse will improve your performance in-game, the G703 is "that certain point" for you.
As much as I can understand not liking the idea of replacing a mat every so often, this is hardly a situation that is specific to gaming and gaming gear. In an sport like skateboarding, for example, your "gear" gets worn out and/or broken, and needs to be replaced. This is applicable to all parts but very specifically the deck that is ridden can break at any moment. A lot of times you'll see pros in videos go into a warehouse and just grab stacks of boards, never really worrying about how long they will last because they can just grab a new one.
When it comes to cloth pads, I'm well aware of fabrics not staying 100%^ the same through their lifespan. I go into it knowing I'll probably end up replacing a pad roughly every 6 months or so.
Well whenever Logitech comes out with an actual updated version of the G Pro wireless and not just one that is skinned with Shroud's colors and logo I'll probably go back to it but my first and only one that I had. One of the side buttons crapped out and then I switched to the Razer Viper Ultimate. Other than that another mouse that I and a lot of other people really like is the G502 but at 115 grams (for the updated wireless version) it's not quite competitive. If they make that at a sub 80 gram weight, that would be my go to mouse.
normally id say its sponsors, but Logitech just knows what they're doing, they know how to make good products. simple as that
I am in top 10 in quite a few drills on Aiming.pro, Aimbeast and Kovaaks. I thought my aim was pretty good but the analysis on aiming.pro showed me that my speed sucked. I switched from a control pad to a hard pad. And got myself the Logitech pro x superlight. Now my aim is even better.
I am a wrist player with fingertip/claw grip. Try out hard pads :) give it a chance.
Yesterday I was watching Hal in Apex tourney and TSM has a Logitech sponsor so he's using their peripherals but yesterday he had finalmouse. So I would say it's because:
1) They have to use them because of the contract
2) It's free and top tier, why would I make a change
3) There's not to many PRO's who like change things and they are not fanatics in peripherals in general
Hal is one of my favorites too. Great points!
I use a G Pro Wireless with the PowerPlay recharging mousepad. It's nice to have a wireless mouse that never needs to charge or change batteries. It's a great mouse but I wish I would have waited until they released the G502 Lightspeed Wireless. The G502 was my baby.
Tbh I don’t think pros will even want to upgrade to other mice or mousepad, they do used to what they use to the point they would reject an artisan mouse pad. But if they can except something new they might get better but how many pro will care enough to try something new and work their aim from the ground up again, it’s just not comfortable for them.
I would agree one of the reasons is sponsors. Another reason I would say is that they’re just very used to the gpro and its one of the best mice so why change?
Fun fact getting mouses what pros use aren't gonna get you good at a game pick the mouse thats comfortable for you
I wish they did a MX518 shape version of GPW Superlight... DREAMS!
Yeah the mousepad sucks. Dont know why but after 3 months of use there started to be spots that my mouse refused to register on, similar to pixel skipping. I have cleaned it over 15 times I'd say and for about 4 days to a week it would be fine, then out of nowhere (not eating or getting anything on my mousepad in these times) the spots would reappear. You cant see it on the mousepad itself, but the mouse censor just loves to not pick up on these spots. Like I said, if i clean it it's fine for a little, then they come back. I'm not fond of having to clean a mousepad every week. Happend on all my mice so it has to be a mousepad issue.
Logitech needs to update the gpw already. Shame that more pros haven't tried the viper ultimate yet.
There is a new G Pro Superlight coming very soon.
lmao just because something is "new" doesn't mean its always better. Especially if its a comparison between the gpw and the razer viper ultimate. They are both amazing, specifications wise the razer viper ultimate is better but it wont be better for everyone specifically. You saying the gpw needs an update is right. It does need an update.
@@TimFotball hopefully they update the shape a little bit too. It's kind of a potato. Needs deeper comfort groves like the VU
lol the Viper Ultimate isnt good
@@nurjohann it's absolutely a good mouse in general but might not be good for a particular person if they don't like the shape. Techne/boardzy fanboy I'm guessing
G Pro Wireless is good with Hyperglides on. and the G640, it's okay at best. It's affected by humidity and you don't want that. Also no stitching.
I bought the gpro mouse, gpro keyboard and g640. This is so beautiful.
i just bought the gpw two days ago to try out wireless and the shape to see if i’d want to buy the super light coming out since i’ve been trying mice left and right the last 2 months. long story short, wireless is nutty and so is this damn mouse. the shape is p e r f e c t
Love the honesty from you
I think if I was a pro without a sponsorship I would gravitate towards the Glorious lineup with the model O/O- and D/D-. But its all about those sponsorships though.
sinatraa uses the UL2 in valorant and hes arguably a top 5 val pro and was MVP in OW
Isn’t he gpw
Great combo and vid as always
I'm still using the glide 38, great mousepad 🔥
no, its not, it has a coating and is affected by humidity
@@nurjohann not for me lol
@@Kasiio so yours just doesnt have a coating lol kekw???
@@nurjohann idk what coating you're talking about so I'm going to say no ig
my qck heavy has unironically lasted me 5 years
CAN WE GET A DAY IN THE LIFE OF BT VIDEO
Maybe I’m the odd ball but I prefer the g903. I feel if it was around the same weight as the g pro it would be the perfect mouse because I have long fingers and I’m a hybrid palm grip.
I had 3 and all 3 started double clicking im over it. Its a really good mouse but the switches go out to fast, but now im using the razer viper ultimate and I love it !!
There is no alternative to GPW except for Razer Viper Ultimate which is very expensive. Mouse with cable is just bad these days.
I've been using the gwolves Skoll (with aftermarket grips to cover the holes) on the aqua control plus for a while now and haven't been compelled to try anything else yet. Very satisfied.
Those avengers pictures are live 🔥 🔥 , where’d u get them?
displate.com :)
I think pros are playing just fine with g pro + g640 tbh
Loved the GPW until it started double clicking. I've tried a lot of different mice, but I think the g305 is my favorite
Unpopular question:
Where did you get your glass coffee cup? Haven’t had the best luck with the ones I’ve tried.
honestly, i've tried a slew of pads and i always end up going back to the 640. I've cleaned it twice over the last twoish years and haven't ever noticed a difference in how it plays. It just feels the most consistent imo. The only thing I hate is the baby blue siding/undercoat
I’ve tried a ton of mice (endgame, viper ultimate, model o) yet I always end up coming back to the g pro wireless (with corepadz). I just love the light tactile clicks and smooth glide with the corepadz
What mouspad do you use?
The new G pro wireless light going replace every mouse I’m 100% secure
When is it coming out??
@@piyushbhatia5214 mmmm maybe for christmas or first period of 2021
you said the mouse pad was hard to explain I still think you did well
also do you think the model o can compare to the g pro wireless?
The G pro is probably the smoothest mouse I’ve gamed with, but it’s not the most reliable nor comfortable for me personally. I know use the razer basilisk v2, it’s a little heavy but it’s my favorite hands down.
i think i like the rvu better but i dont know what ill think once the model o wireless comes.
Thanks for hearting this btw I love your content soooo much
I’m stupid I just edited the comment now the hearts gone 😭😂
Now its heartless cuz u edited 🤦♂️
@@Chumpi. oh wow I’m stupid. That sucks.
@@krazykaleb9560 its fine lol hehe
@@Chumpi. maybe he’ll heart it again who knows
People need to realize that lighter mice doesn’t essientially mean better. 70-85 grams is a good middle ground for low to high sens. Ultra light mice should only be used in very low sens cases as its hard to be precise with ultra light mice with middle to high sens as less force is needed to move the mouse therefore less room for precision
Largely sponsorships, partly familiarity and availability. If something goes wrong with a GPW, you can replace it faster than pretty much any non-big named company. Literally run over to best buy real quick and pick up a replacement if you need to. As far as the mousepad goes, the newer "blue" 640's are pretty nice and don't have the raised logo. The regular black ones are cheap like the QCK's and get muddy real quick. I also think Shroud's has a similar surface to the blue version and has no raised art. They even seem to have a more even X,Y resistance which surprised me. I do hope Esports tiger gets more popular though so they make more pads, I LOVE their designs.
Great read!
I’m new here. Thank you for posting very high quality and informational videos!
Aye welcome Zac! Appreciate the comment have a good one