@@Quackalope I hate to poke the duck (bear), but has the giveaway winner been revealed yet? I can't seem to find it in this comment section or on Discord
The type of abomination I would add is Faces in the Fog, souls of the dead trapped and twisted by the Deep Fog. Imagine being attacked by the face of a lost loved one, looking at you with sadness as it attempts to add you to the ranks. You could attempt to speak to them, to reconnect to their humanity, but would quickly learn it was lost long ago.
I'd like a grotesque Loot Jester as a rare event hunt. His costume would be exaggeratedly puffed-up and he constantly flees from the characters on the board; whenever he is struck it causes a tear and either above-average quantities of crafting materials/items fall out which can be collected at the end of the battle or swarms of nightmare insects/minions spawn from them. Maybe he tosses traps around as he runs. Can end the battle at any time to collect the loot and retreat from the boss. Drops and spawns improve as the battle wears on and culminates in the jester revealed to be a rampaging centipede-like abomination that wrecks characters. Could be a very low occurrence rate to make it a meaningful, neat little lucky encounter with some risk vs reward at play.
Kingdom Forlorn Base Pledge Giveaway Entry Idea (Liking was already done when I clicked o the video, been subscribed for a long time love the channel): Fire Chicken Knight Lore: Sir Cinimod Fawkes was once known as the most handsome knight in the realm and...his odd adoration of chickens. It is said his looks attracted the attention of a maiden who simply admired the handsomeness of the knight for too long in her spouses eyes. Sir Fawkes was quickly punish for an innocent crime he did not commit. His punishment? his flock of chickens where slaughtered and his looks would be forever removed... He was Tarred and Feathered with the still blood soaked feathers of his own chickens. Not wanting to bare going on with life Sir Fawkes tried to end it by burning himself grabbing one of the torches from the guards who where using it to put the burning Tar on him during the public humiliation. It is said the crowd saw the man turn into a human Phoenix burning with fire with feathers and all...but it quickly turned into laughter and death was not going to be here for Sir Fawkes. Some within the crowd threw various things at the knight to dowse the flames.....He was forever known hence afterwards as the Fire Chicken Knight a vengeful knight who did not bother to hide his dis-figuration and openly showed what his body had transformed into.
What about a shroomknight? A knight with mushrooms growing on it that can spore off and creat more little enemies or that could infect the player and partially take control of movements or attacks.
I would like to see a royal looking crescent moon-face giant baby in a heavily modified death stroller with mega wheels. In one hand, he holds a spiked rattle and in the other, a bottle of strange evil milk that he likes to spray on his subject to mutate or dissolve them. Yup.
I recently bought KDM after watching your playthroughs and this comparison has just convinced me that i need this in my life too! I would love to have something like a corrupted lion knight added as a homage. For a weird addition. A phoenix knight as an evolution to the eggknight
Chicken Parmigiana Calvalry, would be interesting. Chicken as the horses with slightly melting cheese wedge as the riders. This sounds awesome. Will look more into this project. Thanks for covering this and pushing forward with the Dev on improvements. Love your passion.
I would introduce a toothless dragon, who angrily sees the glimmer of a knight’s teeth in jealousy and has the ability tooth eruption. A knight loses all teeth, exploding as shrapnel, each knight takes 1 wound. The toothless knight must only approach the dragon from the rear for attacks as they are shamed. :)
Maybe a Tree-like abomination could be fun? It would be beneficial to the players on daytime (like green plants breathing oxygen out) and dangerous during nights (green plants releasing CO2 at night). Given the grim universe of the game, it could be the other way around: the Tree-creature breaths poison out on daytime and absorbs poison at night
For something inspired by medieval folklore and fantasy, I see an alarming lack of excrement, to remedy this I'd like to see something for example inspired by the Bonnacon: "It runs away, while releasing a trail of dung that can cover three furlongs. Contact with the dung burns pursuers as though they had touched fire.”
Some kind of hybrid of forest stuff and frog abomination. Basically frog covered in muschrooms, moss etc. And a crown on top so he can be called a Prince.
What Kingdom Forlorn needs is Prince of Fire. It would look something like a multitude set of eyes that drip tears of flame and that are all attached with long iron shackles. The eyes would pull along a golden sarcophagus (the resting place of the Prince).
An Onion-head berserker that gets spicer the more layers you peel off his head...and the peeled off layers need to be be gathered, twist together, and create a skin-spear to pierce the centre of the berserker with.
As a curiosity, how does the critique of the battles escalating too quickly, and both enemies and allies dying quickly, get adjusted in light of the notable misplay when it came to misuse of the armor die (and overflow die mechanic) for dealing wounds, and for avoiding damage. Well, and unfortunately ignoring all Mortis cards aside from the Judicium cards when getting Humpty Charged. While it certainly made for a faster video, correcting either of those would have made both the enemies and allies last longer, and also greater exemplify the "hard co-op" aspect of the intended game play. For what it's worth, I see a lot of valid critiques, and if the game play elements were not made sufficiently clear, then I agree that onus lies of the developers, and providing a prototype which garners an appropriate response to what is included therein. It's a shame you haven't tried Aeon Trespass: Odyssey on Tabletop Simulator, though, even if I understand why you might not have done so. While there are some differences (refreshing Heat, and the hand of cards in particular), the general combat mechanics are roughly similar enough, I think it would have provided an excellent framework with which to understand the rules for Kingdoms Forlorn. It probably would have saved many hours of the confusion you expressed in interpreting the rules, as well. Almost certainly more than the time would have been saved than it would have taken to play a battle or two against a Primordial. I do agree with your sentiment that Kingdoms Forlorn will likely be a more enjoyable experience with a larger play group than some other campaign games might be with their often more interchangeably generic characters. Aeon Trespass: Odyssey, for example, is about the journey of the Argo, and it's crew. Which will have their own personal bonuses they accrue, but not personal stories in remotely the same vein as Kingdoms Forlorn. The very unique aspects of the individual characters in Kingdoms Forlorn will naturally lend themselves to an increased investment of the players in their particular characters and the game in general. Particularly for people that might enjoy the dramatization and pseudo-roleplay aspect of it all. It's also easier to have a more interesting interplay of occasionally conflicting goals when controlled by different players. It will certainly be interesting to see how they intend to scale the game for 1 to 4 players, and how that will interact with the Delve and Clash phases.
I think it adds to the Co-op value while not changing my opinion of the fights and how they will / should escalate in the final game. KDM still does the long boss battles and core AI better - this does interesting Co-op, Storytelling, and allows you to fight multiple battles in a single session. Look at the Power track - every time we attack we go up a total of 6 levels. If you survive to 4-6 you are either about to die or doing damage with each hit. We were off by a few steps and that made us off by a few rounds of activation each - not by a full 60min cycle or more. I am looking forward to this game and to AT:O - with the caveat that this prototype and the way it was shared did absolutely make the process hard. AT:O back in the day had the same issue according to the reviewers who cover it - they are both ambitious and massive projects!
Our experience was shorter than it should have been. But even playing with the correct rules, the overall experience would still be shorter than a normal KDM session. KF has 5-8 full activations vs. upwards of 15-20 in KDM.
Thanks for giving an honest opinion of the prototype. This looks like it has a lot of promise, but still needs a lot of work. Here is hoping that they put out a demo of an earlier encounter instead of jumping in "mid campaign" with lots of extra rules. My vote is for a moth creature!
I'd like to add a poison tree abomination, which requires 'threading the needle' on heat to survive. The tree would shoot every player with an un-dodgeable poison dart at the very start, and then send out questing vines covered in tiny mouths. Moving too fast or attacking to vigorously (too high heat), pumps the poison around your body too fast and you pass out. Move too slow, or already passed out, and the vines catch you and you get eaten. Freeing other players from vines, or dragging them to safety if they pass out from poison, just complicates the heat juggle even further. Just surviving to get away is the best victory you can hope for :D
A cthulhu-like knight, with tentacles coming out of his broken helmet. He should hold sickles (so that they look like the tips deformed tentacles) and his armor should definately be covered with corals, rust and starfishes.
I really appreciate the directness and honesty of this video. Shira’s take really stuck with me. As a KDM devotee, as well as the owner of countless campaign games, this was what i needed to conquer my FOMO and cancel my pledge. It might be a great game, but I have plenty of unplayed games/expansions that will fill the void. And if I’m wrong? I’m only a few hours from Cleveland :)
A Goblin King from a Labyrinth Kingdom who doesn’t attack the Knights directly, but manipulates the board terrain to trap the Knights. There are also objects of value for each Knight that provides an item to draw their focus away from attacking the Goblin King. Will the Knights retrieve their object of value and defeat the Goblin King or have to later venture to the Labyrinth Kingdom?
I mean going with the idea of food knights.... We can have a reference to Dark Souls by bringing an Onion Knight, which despite been silent, you can see tears from his face every time he kills someone (hence Onion Knight)
WIth games like Gloomhaven and KDM, which easily could fill a lifetime of playing board games to fully explore their contents, but requiring mostly same group of people to play with, it's always nice to see games with accessibility in mind to offset time commitment some of those great games require. Interesting thing is that, while usually in a circle of friends you want only one person to own given game, this one tries to encourage having multiple copies, thanks to the ability to move characters between campaigns. One thing that comes to mind with a new monster is some kind of chimera, with wolf's (or duck :D) torso and head, but with stitched, different looking human parts. Maybe one leg is shorter, maybe one arm is skinny because it holds a rapier, while second one is a muscular one to grab a big shield. They hunt other people not only for food, but to strengthen themselves. There are tons of possibilities here. What I really like about this game, from what I've heard is this atmosphere of grim and hidden secrets. Plot twists and history related to every aspect of the game and how you can't take things for granted. Those monsters could also have some nice twists, like: The first thing that comes to mind is that there is a mastermind behind them, some necromantic surgeon, which changes animals into those chimeras. But players instead of a boss find that they are animals envious of people, who are doing this to themselves in some desperate efforts to be like humans. Seems like it could fit :)
Great video! As a KDM enjoyer, this was actually pretty helpful. What sold me on this one was actually AT:O’s updates. The game looks very different and has had positive changes from when they first showed it off, so I’m hopeful and optimistic that that KF will be the same way. Plus, they have a good refund policy so I can always change my mind if I’m not seeing enough positive change implemented.
Give me an ent-like creature that sprang up from a garden of golden foodstuff. Tall and gangly, carrots tangling from his limbs, animals burrowing holes in his sides. The Golden Garden.
I hope there’s a multitude of kingdoms and creatures that are native to each area. I’m envisioning a hot sweaty jungle, with sweat dripping from your face you hack through thick flora. The flowers and plants are beautiful and obviously very poisonous. You emerge to an area a little more open stirring with a slight breeze unlike the oppressive heat under the canopy. Before you’re able to enjoy the brief respite, the tangled roots pull from under your feet. What looked to be a tree rears up an enormous ent. Littered with various growths and mushrooms that resemble sores and pustules oozing tainted poisonous blood. Dark eyes focus on you as the creature lets out a roar, spewing spores in its heavy hot breath.
I can definitely say that a monster that embodies the mist themselves clad armor and shapes that change during combat so different minis can be used during the encounter, some bigger, some smaller and some divided around many squares
I really would like to see like an 'inception-like' monster, like a barbed-egg-zombie lord that when killed would spawn hatchlings that were incubating inside and also would damage the cells next to it or poison enemies and players
In the full pitch video they showcase a weird caped and crawling elk-skull weirdo. I’m usually not that big into minis, but this guy really had me intrigued! Soooo…more weird elk-skull weirdos please! 😄
I propose The Wordsmith for this game. A craftsman who forges the ethereal nature of language into solid form; beaten into submission through the burning heat of the forge. An ally or an enemy?
I would love to see a ham knight so we could get some sort of eggs and ham pun in there. I’m picturing a grotesque pig bulging out of armor. There could also be something worked in around the fact that pigs will eat anything.
Lol imagine a cracked knight that comes later in campaign. Egg knight has been de-shelled, but the shell was a seal holding the cursed demon/abomination/Cthulhu whatever inside. Now its released it is SO MUCH MORE POWERFUL
Your honesty and directness, coupled with your passion and enthusiasm, is absolutely why I subscribed to your channel long ago, and follow many of your videos. Thank you.
First things first - My Abomination suggestion: The Squire of Dead Knights. A small boyish creature dragging the dead bodies and armor of fallen Knights behind him (with chains and ropes). In a fight he uses them as "Puppet"-Knights skillfully performing ritualistic Squire duties to them before battle. Second: I'm not totally sure what to think about this video. Comparing with an prototype is very harsh and I personally think you didn't do your best job with this comparison. Comparing a prototype you played once or trice to a game you probzbly played the heck out of is even harsher. Saying "It's your fault to sent us a prototype that isn't a finished product at all" sounds more than a bit unfair. I'm not going to back Kingdoms Forlorn (at least if I'm not winning this giveaway 😉), because of the steep price and the campaign organisation. I think it's good to compare it with KDM, but I think there's a difference between comparing and rating (hope that's understandable). So long. Quak! 😉 wishing you a great day
Glad to see the constructive criticism and to hear that ITU is responding in a positive manner. I'd like to see some gemstone / jewel based creatures, since it is the Principality of Stone. A Diamond Golem, Crystal Drake, that type of thing.
I would love to see sponge monster, maybe even spongebob vibes, or cheese. Lots of holes, could be filled with something, resistant to blows, absorbing liquid.
I think it’d be cool to have a burrowing worm boss, maybe with smaller snake-like tentacles that appear first as a mob as a precursor to the actual larger boss
Something like a loch ness monster (or marine dinosaur type thing) would be cool, and you have to fight from a boat or islands, and you can dive to attack it holding your breath.
Twin Dragons of One Body; Perhaps something like two dragon minis where one is its animated skeleton, the other is its shambling and writhing body (lacking a skeleton) (Heck, I’d be ok if it didn’t have to be a dragon)
For a kind of creepy monster I would introduce a species of mimics a bit like the dark souls ones, but that can become any inanimate object. When they grow up, mimics can become whole houses or even castles wich would make for some interesting moments i think?
Definitely interested in this. Liked the idea of KDM but could never bring myself to spend the money and campaign games tend to be solo affairs for me. If I were adding a a boss I think I would add an artichoke avenger
Because of you, Bra Mithra I've really gotten in to boss battlers. I all in pledged to all 3 games. Can't wait for ATO to be delivererd along with Kingdoms Forlorn. It's going to be stupid epic!
You know what, I would like to suggest a terrifying duck monster with horns coming out from its head. This monster replicates another duck monster when one of its horns gets cut off. And I shall name it the Quackalopee.
What about a Broccoli Baron. That uses "choke" mechanics, also uses trees as obstacles on the board, maybe even teleporting between them or even attacking heroes in the lime between a pair (or more) trees!! (Silly name I know, but it can always be fixed)
This is a great video. I would love if another devil was added. Specifically, something akin to how Beelzebub is depicted. Insect like and grotesque as with wings and many legs. It scurry's around the battlefield frantically making the knights chase after it only to turn around and stab them with their legs as sharp as spears. Being a brutal fight that will spin your strategy on its head. And as always, Quack!
I would create a dark fantasy version of Pinocchio with a sharp skewer instead of a nose. And Geppetto could be his squire or someone who might give him some buffs, healing etc.
The Hare - a small disheveled rabbit, a massive crater where a lake used to be, a sea if bones instead of water... who else has wants to learn more about what has occurred???
I know it's not exactly culinary based, but I would love to see a mirror-based boss with nightmares (maybe specifically the heroes' nightmares) coming out of it!
I would like to see some mechanoid, should be terrifying and silly at the same time. Let's call him Clockwork Knight. A human and a clock hybrid, powered by springs and gears, clockpunk warrior able to control the time and create powerfully attacks with his brass gearshaped halabardy, squirting gear oil at you to disarm you and make you fall on a ground.
I would love to see an orang-utan knight with double scimitar that can mind control mobs of monkeys squires to better coordinate theirs actions and do powerful actions with them.
Thank you so much for your timely in-depth preview videos and that awesome comparison to the established ancient monster that is KDM. I am currently also very much looking forward to the studio's current game Aeon Trespass: Odyssey. Maybe you can also add some comparison to that in the future? As far as weird abominations are concerned: I would be thrilled to see some kind of oozing slime monster that can split up into separate minis and re-form stronger, be very resistant against physical damage (or at least some piercing / slashing weapon types) and yield resources for potion making.
I would like to see a Mecha-Manticore - big human head with big fangs, an armoured giant lion body, and a weaponised tail... Or a duck-headed jabberwock ;)
Spaghetti Knight. Tendrils of spaghetti that attach to the hero knights and don’t let them get too far away. The heroes must then wind up their noodles into and interlacing pattern like a May Pole mosh pit of doom. Can the heroes knot their noodle or will they get sauced in the end?
It's going to be interesting to see how this gets polished up out of the prototype stage. --- This might sound bland, but I can never get enough of environmental adversaries. Gimmie man eating trees, strangle vines and bushes that'll swallow you whole. So I'd like to see some poor farmer's abandoned field you have to cross, and the overgrown zucchini plant writhes up to tangle your legs to drag you down. It's fruit can be either lobbed at you or lay in wait like landmines. Any open flowers can release a stat-ailment or toxic pollen, either into the air or by physical contact. And the only way to kill it is to reach the center where the main vine comes out of the ground and hack it off at the base. Hopefully it doesn't regrow >:)
I never really gave KDM a chance, due to it being a difficult game for me to find… I love the grittiness of it, very reminiscent of Dark Souls. I would add a monster that has a mechanic where it duplicates if it’s not defeated fast enough (Maybe some sort of hydra snakelike creature). I have always liked timed bosses and such that put the pressure on the hero to think quickly about how to survive.
Some kind of platypus-based boss. The idea of a fuzzy, venomous, egg-laying, semi-aquatic animal -- nature has basically done the work for you! Love the series of reviews on this and excited to get in on something that might become as big as KDM
Some kind of dopplganger boss would be cool to see. Always a favorite of mine and you don't see them often enough. Nothing trembles the boots like fighting against yourself. Dang it will likely ship before KDM wave 4. . .
The game looks interesting. The abomination, is obscure one, but the 'The Thing Upstairs ' from the trap door. A random 5minute show back in the early 90's. Thanks again for the video.
Since the egg knight makes me think of "Hey diddle, diddle" nursery rhyme I would love to see a cow monster flying around on a creepy faced moon, holding a dish as a shield, a spoon as a weapon (who are both trying to run away together), with a cat playing a fiddle while a dog laughs at the party riding the cow. Just like we all remember from our childhood, right?
Some sort of creature with a “soul sucking” ability that makes the characters weaker the longer the fight goes until it kills them. No defenses against the affect. Could be some sort of horrific monster, but would also work as a spirit looking like a small group of child but with like a ghoulishly over large smiles. Maybe called something like Sluagh na marbh ('host of the dead' in Gaelic)
If given the task of adding a weird abomination, I would probably add something like a flailsnail to the overgrown kingdom or the swamp kingdom. It is basically snail that can grown to huge sizes as it ages with flails as antennae. (see d&d flail snail)
Enjoyed this comparison review, despite it being a prototype. Will be interested to see how their campaign progresses, and considering what they have done w ATO, I’m still excited. My vote of a villain or a support companion? They need some duck representation! A quack advisor or duck helm 😆
Game looks very promising thus far. I'd love to see an Axolotl Dragon. Can't wait to see what else is revealed and I hope that Aeon Trespass will hold me over.
I will back it or hope to win, but what I really love about KDM is that characters can die and the city and gear building. Long story chapters I have to read do not work for me in a group. I love reading books, but with other people around me, I can't get lost in a story, and it is often an annoyance for me.
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Yep! Working out how to do the giveaway - if I can get on TTS with the team we will do it then!
@@Quackalope I hate to poke the duck (bear), but has the giveaway winner been revealed yet? I can't seem to find it in this comment section or on Discord
Guess no giveaway?? Like 3 weeks. No mention. No new gameplay. Like did i miss something?
@@Quackalope Any news about the gameplay? Quack!
I've loved Tainted Grail's story so much, that I'll back any game that can provide such moments!
The story is definitely its strength!
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The type of abomination I would add is Faces in the Fog, souls of the dead trapped and twisted by the Deep Fog. Imagine being attacked by the face of a lost loved one, looking at you with sadness as it attempts to add you to the ranks. You could attempt to speak to them, to reconnect to their humanity, but would quickly learn it was lost long ago.
I'd like a grotesque Loot Jester as a rare event hunt. His costume would be exaggeratedly puffed-up and he constantly flees from the characters on the board; whenever he is struck it causes a tear and either above-average quantities of crafting materials/items fall out which can be collected at the end of the battle or swarms of nightmare insects/minions spawn from them. Maybe he tosses traps around as he runs. Can end the battle at any time to collect the loot and retreat from the boss. Drops and spawns improve as the battle wears on and culminates in the jester revealed to be a rampaging centipede-like abomination that wrecks characters. Could be a very low occurrence rate to make it a meaningful, neat little lucky encounter with some risk vs reward at play.
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Fire Chicken Knight
Lore:
Sir Cinimod Fawkes was once known as the most handsome knight in the realm and...his odd adoration of chickens. It is said his looks attracted the attention of a maiden who simply admired the handsomeness of the knight for too long in her spouses eyes.
Sir Fawkes was quickly punish for an innocent crime he did not commit. His punishment? his flock of chickens where slaughtered and his looks would be forever removed...
He was Tarred and Feathered with the still blood soaked feathers of his own chickens. Not wanting to bare going on with life Sir Fawkes tried to end it by burning himself grabbing one of the torches from the guards who where using it to put the burning Tar on him during the public humiliation.
It is said the crowd saw the man turn into a human Phoenix burning with fire with feathers and all...but it quickly turned into laughter and death was not going to be here for Sir Fawkes. Some within the crowd threw various things at the knight to dowse the flames.....He was forever known hence afterwards as the Fire Chicken Knight a vengeful knight who did not bother to hide his dis-figuration and openly showed what his body had transformed into.
Haha I love this! That is awesome :)
What about a shroomknight? A knight with mushrooms growing on it that can spore off and creat more little enemies or that could infect the player and partially take control of movements or attacks.
I would like to see a royal looking crescent moon-face giant baby in a
heavily modified death stroller with mega wheels. In one hand, he holds a
spiked rattle and in the other, a bottle of strange evil milk that he
likes to spray on his subject to mutate or dissolve them. Yup.
I would like to see a KDM-referenced monster! Someone who will delay the heroes to death from old age
I recently bought KDM after watching your playthroughs and this comparison has just convinced me that i need this in my life too! I would love to have something like a corrupted lion knight added as a homage. For a weird addition. A phoenix knight as an evolution to the eggknight
Chicken Parmigiana Calvalry, would be interesting. Chicken as the horses with slightly melting cheese wedge as the riders.
This sounds awesome. Will look more into this project. Thanks for covering this and pushing forward with the Dev on improvements.
Love your passion.
I would introduce a toothless dragon, who angrily sees the glimmer of a knight’s teeth in jealousy and has the ability tooth eruption. A knight loses all teeth, exploding as shrapnel, each knight takes 1 wound. The toothless knight must only approach the dragon from the rear for attacks as they are shamed. :)
I'd like to see a Red Skull Lobster who gives you advice like "Clean your room" and "Tell the truth". +Points for anyone who gets the reference!
Maybe a Tree-like abomination could be fun? It would be beneficial to the players on daytime (like green plants breathing oxygen out) and dangerous during nights (green plants releasing CO2 at night). Given the grim universe of the game, it could be the other way around: the Tree-creature breaths poison out on daytime and absorbs poison at night
For something inspired by medieval folklore and fantasy, I see an alarming lack of excrement, to remedy this I'd like to see something for example inspired by the Bonnacon:
"It runs away, while releasing a trail of dung that can cover three furlongs. Contact with the dung burns pursuers as though they had touched fire.”
Some kind of hybrid of forest stuff and frog abomination. Basically frog covered in muschrooms, moss etc. And a crown on top so he can be called a Prince.
What Kingdom Forlorn needs is Prince of Fire. It would look something like a multitude set of eyes that drip tears of flame and that are all attached with long iron shackles. The eyes would pull along a golden sarcophagus (the resting place of the Prince).
I would add a mechanic of a baby dragon the Knights find and train to enter battle with them. Once he dies, he's gone forever (that campaign)
An Onion-head berserker that gets spicer the more layers you peel off his head...and the peeled off layers need to be be gathered, twist together, and create a skin-spear to pierce the centre of the berserker with.
As a curiosity, how does the critique of the battles escalating too quickly, and both enemies and allies dying quickly, get adjusted in light of the notable misplay when it came to misuse of the armor die (and overflow die mechanic) for dealing wounds, and for avoiding damage. Well, and unfortunately ignoring all Mortis cards aside from the Judicium cards when getting Humpty Charged.
While it certainly made for a faster video, correcting either of those would have made both the enemies and allies last longer, and also greater exemplify the "hard co-op" aspect of the intended game play.
For what it's worth, I see a lot of valid critiques, and if the game play elements were not made sufficiently clear, then I agree that onus lies of the developers, and providing a prototype which garners an appropriate response to what is included therein.
It's a shame you haven't tried Aeon Trespass: Odyssey on Tabletop Simulator, though, even if I understand why you might not have done so. While there are some differences (refreshing Heat, and the hand of cards in particular), the general combat mechanics are roughly similar enough, I think it would have provided an excellent framework with which to understand the rules for Kingdoms Forlorn. It probably would have saved many hours of the confusion you expressed in interpreting the rules, as well. Almost certainly more than the time would have been saved than it would have taken to play a battle or two against a Primordial.
I do agree with your sentiment that Kingdoms Forlorn will likely be a more enjoyable experience with a larger play group than some other campaign games might be with their often more interchangeably generic characters. Aeon Trespass: Odyssey, for example, is about the journey of the Argo, and it's crew. Which will have their own personal bonuses they accrue, but not personal stories in remotely the same vein as Kingdoms Forlorn.
The very unique aspects of the individual characters in Kingdoms Forlorn will naturally lend themselves to an increased investment of the players in their particular characters and the game in general. Particularly for people that might enjoy the dramatization and pseudo-roleplay aspect of it all.
It's also easier to have a more interesting interplay of occasionally conflicting goals when controlled by different players.
It will certainly be interesting to see how they intend to scale the game for 1 to 4 players, and how that will interact with the Delve and Clash phases.
I think it adds to the Co-op value while not changing my opinion of the fights and how they will / should escalate in the final game. KDM still does the long boss battles and core AI better - this does interesting Co-op, Storytelling, and allows you to fight multiple battles in a single session.
Look at the Power track - every time we attack we go up a total of 6 levels. If you survive to 4-6 you are either about to die or doing damage with each hit. We were off by a few steps and that made us off by a few rounds of activation each - not by a full 60min cycle or more.
I am looking forward to this game and to AT:O - with the caveat that this prototype and the way it was shared did absolutely make the process hard. AT:O back in the day had the same issue according to the reviewers who cover it - they are both ambitious and massive projects!
Our experience was shorter than it should have been. But even playing with the correct rules, the overall experience would still be shorter than a normal KDM session. KF has 5-8 full activations vs. upwards of 15-20 in KDM.
I would love to see a knight who wears rabbit armor and fights with sharpened carrots named Sir Hopselot, or something like that.
Thanks for giving an honest opinion of the prototype. This looks like it has a lot of promise, but still needs a lot of work. Here is hoping that they put out a demo of an earlier encounter instead of jumping in "mid campaign" with lots of extra rules.
My vote is for a moth creature!
A moth creature sounds very cool! I am looking forward to seeing what they can do with this game. I think it has potential.
I'd like to add a poison tree abomination, which requires 'threading the needle' on heat to survive. The tree would shoot every player with an un-dodgeable poison dart at the very start, and then send out questing vines covered in tiny mouths. Moving too fast or attacking to vigorously (too high heat), pumps the poison around your body too fast and you pass out. Move too slow, or already passed out, and the vines catch you and you get eaten. Freeing other players from vines, or dragging them to safety if they pass out from poison, just complicates the heat juggle even further. Just surviving to get away is the best victory you can hope for :D
A cthulhu-like knight, with tentacles coming out of his broken helmet. He should hold sickles (so that they look like the tips deformed tentacles) and his armor should definately be covered with corals, rust and starfishes.
A Porcine Knight to work in tandem with the Egg Knight would be a very thematic combo!
Rumpelstiltskin would fit this boardgame perfectly with the medieval craziness theme, he would make a great Knight or even a Boss.
I really appreciate the directness and honesty of this video. Shira’s take really stuck with me. As a KDM devotee, as well as the owner of countless campaign games, this was what i needed to conquer my FOMO and cancel my pledge. It might be a great game, but I have plenty of unplayed games/expansions that will fill the void. And if I’m wrong? I’m only a few hours from Cleveland :)
A Goblin King from a Labyrinth Kingdom who doesn’t attack the Knights directly, but manipulates the board terrain to trap the Knights. There are also objects of value for each Knight that provides an item to draw their focus away from attacking the Goblin King. Will the Knights retrieve their object of value and defeat the Goblin King or have to later venture to the Labyrinth Kingdom?
I mean going with the idea of food knights.... We can have a reference to Dark Souls by bringing an Onion Knight, which despite been silent, you can see tears from his face every time he kills someone (hence Onion Knight)
WIth games like Gloomhaven and KDM, which easily could fill a lifetime of playing board games to fully explore their contents, but requiring mostly same group of people to play with, it's always nice to see games with accessibility in mind to offset time commitment some of those great games require. Interesting thing is that, while usually in a circle of friends you want only one person to own given game, this one tries to encourage having multiple copies, thanks to the ability to move characters between campaigns.
One thing that comes to mind with a new monster is some kind of chimera, with wolf's (or duck :D) torso and head, but with stitched, different looking human parts. Maybe one leg is shorter, maybe one arm is skinny because it holds a rapier, while second one is a muscular one to grab a big shield. They hunt other people not only for food, but to strengthen themselves. There are tons of possibilities here.
What I really like about this game, from what I've heard is this atmosphere of grim and hidden secrets. Plot twists and history related to every aspect of the game and how you can't take things for granted. Those monsters could also have some nice twists, like: The first thing that comes to mind is that there is a mastermind behind them, some necromantic surgeon, which changes animals into those chimeras. But players instead of a boss find that they are animals envious of people, who are doing this to themselves in some desperate efforts to be like humans. Seems like it could fit :)
Since we are going with edible enemies, I think Fleishritter wouldn’t mind a pickled knight to go with the eggknight.
Great video! As a KDM enjoyer, this was actually pretty helpful. What sold me on this one was actually AT:O’s updates. The game looks very different and has had positive changes from when they first showed it off, so I’m hopeful and optimistic that that KF will be the same way. Plus, they have a good refund policy so I can always change my mind if I’m not seeing enough positive change implemented.
Give me an ent-like creature that sprang up from a garden of golden foodstuff. Tall and gangly, carrots tangling from his limbs, animals burrowing holes in his sides. The Golden Garden.
I wouldn't mind seeing egg Knight once defeated comes back as a scrambled blob beast with hidden weapons coming out at you during a fight
I hope there’s a multitude of kingdoms and creatures that are native to each area.
I’m envisioning a hot sweaty jungle, with sweat dripping from your face you hack through thick flora. The flowers and plants are beautiful and obviously very poisonous. You emerge to an area a little more open stirring with a slight breeze unlike the oppressive heat under the canopy.
Before you’re able to enjoy the brief respite, the tangled roots pull from under your feet. What looked to be a tree rears up an enormous ent. Littered with various growths and mushrooms that resemble sores and pustules oozing tainted poisonous blood. Dark eyes focus on you as the creature lets out a roar, spewing spores in its heavy hot breath.
I can definitely say that a monster that embodies the mist themselves clad armor and shapes that change during combat so different minis can be used during the encounter, some bigger, some smaller and some divided around many squares
I really would like to see like an 'inception-like' monster, like a barbed-egg-zombie lord that when killed would spawn hatchlings that were incubating inside and also would damage the cells next to it or poison enemies and players
In the full pitch video they showcase a weird caped and crawling elk-skull weirdo. I’m usually not that big into minis, but this guy really had me intrigued! Soooo…more weird elk-skull weirdos please! 😄
I would like to see a wooded knight. Warhammer made of branches and has a entangled vines effect to lock you in place
I propose The Wordsmith for this game. A craftsman who forges the ethereal nature of language into solid form; beaten into submission through the burning heat of the forge. An ally or an enemy?
A Giant House Cat creature is what I'd like to see in the game, like a Tiger sized House Cat. Quack.
I would love to see a ham knight so we could get some sort of eggs and ham pun in there. I’m picturing a grotesque pig bulging out of armor. There could also be something worked in around the fact that pigs will eat anything.
A wingless water dragon that fights using it's tears. Sounds like something that would be fun too kill.
I would like to see some kind of forest creature that hunts men that enter his forest with a giant axe. Half man, half beast.
Like The White Lion in KDM, a Black Lion or a Black Wolf, its a Easter Egg but i think its cool
Lol imagine a cracked knight that comes later in campaign. Egg knight has been de-shelled, but the shell was a seal holding the cursed demon/abomination/Cthulhu whatever inside. Now its released it is SO MUCH MORE POWERFUL
since this channel and i loves KDM so much, i am here patiently waiting for the next KDM raffle/giveaway.
Your honesty and directness, coupled with your passion and enthusiasm, is absolutely why I subscribed to your channel long ago, and follow many of your videos. Thank you.
First things first - My Abomination suggestion: The Squire of Dead Knights. A small boyish creature dragging the dead bodies and armor of fallen Knights behind him (with chains and ropes). In a fight he uses them as "Puppet"-Knights skillfully performing ritualistic Squire duties to them before battle.
Second: I'm not totally sure what to think about this video. Comparing with an prototype is very harsh and I personally think you didn't do your best job with this comparison. Comparing a prototype you played once or trice to a game you probzbly played the heck out of is even harsher. Saying "It's your fault to sent us a prototype that isn't a finished product at all" sounds more than a bit unfair.
I'm not going to back Kingdoms Forlorn (at least if I'm not winning this giveaway 😉), because of the steep price and the campaign organisation. I think it's good to compare it with KDM, but I think there's a difference between comparing and rating (hope that's understandable).
So long. Quak! 😉 wishing you a great day
Glad to see the constructive criticism and to hear that ITU is responding in a positive manner. I'd like to see some gemstone / jewel based creatures, since it is the Principality of Stone. A Diamond Golem, Crystal Drake, that type of thing.
I would love to see sponge monster, maybe even spongebob vibes, or cheese. Lots of holes, could be filled with something, resistant to blows, absorbing liquid.
I think it’d be cool to have a burrowing worm boss, maybe with smaller snake-like tentacles that appear first as a mob as a precursor to the actual larger boss
I'd like to see an infected human/insect hive hybrid boss that creates multiple insect mobs as a second boss when it dies.
Ultra rare item called Mayonnaise that will be a that you can apply to your weapon which somehow ignores the Egg Knight’s armor 🍳
I'd like to introduce a giant snail, with a crippled knight sitting on it, dissolving the Monsters on his path
Something like a loch ness monster (or marine dinosaur type thing) would be cool, and you have to fight from a boat or islands, and you can dive to attack it holding your breath.
Twin Dragons of One Body;
Perhaps something like two dragon minis where one is its animated skeleton, the other is its shambling and writhing body (lacking a skeleton)
(Heck, I’d be ok if it didn’t have to be a dragon)
Definitely needs a Cat/human hybrid Knight that will bat the Eggknight around like a ball. Thanks for the comparison!
For a kind of creepy monster I would introduce a species of mimics a bit like the dark souls ones, but that can become any inanimate object. When they grow up, mimics can become whole houses or even castles wich would make for some interesting moments i think?
Definitely interested in this. Liked the idea of KDM but could never bring myself to spend the money and campaign games tend to be solo affairs for me. If I were adding a a boss I think I would add an artichoke avenger
Because of you, Bra Mithra I've really gotten in to boss battlers. I all in pledged to all 3 games. Can't wait for ATO to be delivererd along with Kingdoms Forlorn. It's going to be stupid epic!
You know what, I would like to suggest a terrifying duck monster with horns coming out from its head. This monster replicates another duck monster when one of its horns gets cut off. And I shall name it the Quackalopee.
What about a Broccoli Baron. That uses "choke" mechanics, also uses trees as obstacles on the board, maybe even teleporting between them or even attacking heroes in the lime between a pair (or more) trees!! (Silly name I know, but it can always be fixed)
What goes best with an Egg Knight? Well, the Bastard Bacon Steward to be sure.
This is a great video. I would love if another devil was added. Specifically, something akin to how Beelzebub is depicted. Insect like and grotesque as with wings and many legs. It scurry's around the battlefield frantically making the knights chase after it only to turn around and stab them with their legs as sharp as spears. Being a brutal fight that will spin your strategy on its head. And as always, Quack!
Some knight in a massive beehive armor, with a needle/spear who spawns more and more hornets as he gets hit.
I would create a dark fantasy version of Pinocchio with a sharp skewer instead of a nose. And Geppetto could be his squire or someone who might give him some buffs, healing etc.
The Hare - a small disheveled rabbit, a massive crater where a lake used to be, a sea if bones instead of water... who else has wants to learn more about what has occurred???
I know it's not exactly culinary based, but I would love to see a mirror-based boss with nightmares (maybe specifically the heroes' nightmares) coming out of it!
I would like to see some mechanoid, should be terrifying and silly at the same time. Let's call him Clockwork Knight. A human and a clock hybrid, powered by springs and gears, clockpunk warrior able to control the time and create powerfully attacks with his brass gearshaped halabardy, squirting gear oil at you to disarm you and make you fall on a ground.
I would love to see an orang-utan knight with double scimitar that can mind control mobs of monkeys squires to better coordinate theirs actions and do powerful actions with them.
Thank you so much for your timely in-depth preview videos and that awesome comparison to the established ancient monster that is KDM. I am currently also very much looking forward to the studio's current game Aeon Trespass: Odyssey. Maybe you can also add some comparison to that in the future?
As far as weird abominations are concerned: I would be thrilled to see some kind of oozing slime monster that can split up into separate minis and re-form stronger, be very resistant against physical damage (or at least some piercing / slashing weapon types) and yield resources for potion making.
I'd like to see a bird nest headed scout with birds that live within.
I want an evil heavy Metal soldier as boss who‘s fighting with his music
I need a carrot warrior that powers up and screams for a few turns. Then unleashes a giant energy wave XD
I would love to battle a living giant spellbook, with arms, legs, and a gros’s, warty toungue sticking out between the magical pages!
I would like to see a Mecha-Manticore - big human head with big fangs, an armoured giant lion body, and a weaponised tail... Or a duck-headed jabberwock ;)
Spaghetti Knight. Tendrils of spaghetti that attach to the hero knights and don’t let them get too far away. The heroes must then wind up their noodles into and interlacing pattern like a May Pole mosh pit of doom. Can the heroes knot their noodle or will they get sauced in the end?
Looks interesting I'd love to add a borrowing worm which hids underneath and pops out every now and then to attack.
It's going to be interesting to see how this gets polished up out of the prototype stage.
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This might sound bland, but I can never get enough of environmental adversaries. Gimmie man eating trees, strangle vines and bushes that'll swallow you whole. So I'd like to see some poor farmer's abandoned field you have to cross, and the overgrown zucchini plant writhes up to tangle your legs to drag you down. It's fruit can be either lobbed at you or lay in wait like landmines. Any open flowers can release a stat-ailment or toxic pollen, either into the air or by physical contact. And the only way to kill it is to reach the center where the main vine comes out of the ground and hack it off at the base.
Hopefully it doesn't regrow >:)
After beheading the Egg Knight and hatching its head as a trophy, I’d love to fight a befeathered quackalope!
I would want a knight riding a giant duck. The duck's quacks would be so loud that it can be heard across the kingdom. QUACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!
Tax collector would be sweet monster. Something that comes and wants something and will get it no matter what.
Great video, cheers!
I never really gave KDM a chance, due to it being a difficult game for me to find… I love the grittiness of it, very reminiscent of Dark Souls. I would add a monster that has a mechanic where it duplicates if it’s not defeated fast enough (Maybe some sort of hydra snakelike creature). I have always liked timed bosses and such that put the pressure on the hero to think quickly about how to survive.
Kings Man crossover would be cool! It’s not really an “abomination” per se, but I liked his design.
A grumpy, old, fully plate-armored medievalish SpaceMarine Sergeant!
Some kind of platypus-based boss. The idea of a fuzzy, venomous, egg-laying, semi-aquatic animal -- nature has basically done the work for you!
Love the series of reviews on this and excited to get in on something that might become as big as KDM
Some kind of dopplganger boss would be cool to see. Always a favorite of mine and you don't see them often enough. Nothing trembles the boots like fighting against yourself.
Dang it will likely ship before KDM wave 4. . .
The game looks interesting. The abomination, is obscure one, but the 'The Thing Upstairs
' from the trap door. A random 5minute show back in the early 90's. Thanks again for the video.
Since the egg knight makes me think of "Hey diddle, diddle" nursery rhyme I would love to see a cow monster flying around on a creepy faced moon, holding a dish as a shield, a spoon as a weapon (who are both trying to run away together), with a cat playing a fiddle while a dog laughs at the party riding the cow. Just like we all remember from our childhood, right?
Some sort of creature with a “soul sucking” ability that makes the characters weaker the longer the fight goes until it kills them. No defenses against the affect. Could be some sort of horrific monster, but would also work as a spirit looking like a small group of child but with like a ghoulishly over large smiles. Maybe called something like Sluagh na marbh ('host of the dead' in Gaelic)
Definitely want to see a big iconic monster like KDM's lion. Perhaps... A duck knight?
Quack! I would want to see a Jackalope Gunslinger, but a Quackalope one would be good too! ;-)
XD right - I wish!
It would be nice to see some kind of "monster fish knight" like those deep sea anglerfish fish with the light fishing rod attached to it's head.
I would like to see a Baphomet like creature in the game. I think it goes good with the theme and would make for an interesting boss fight.
If given the task of adding a weird abomination, I would probably add something like a flailsnail to the overgrown kingdom or the swamp kingdom. It is basically snail that can grown to huge sizes as it ages with flails as antennae. (see d&d flail snail)
I would introduce an abominable crab tank to KF. Big crustacean monster with scything pincers and organic cannons on its back.
Love to see a Kingdomslayer (and/or Kingslayer, Princepouncer, Baronbasher, Lordlasher, Dukedumper).
Enjoyed this comparison review, despite it being a prototype. Will be interested to see how their campaign progresses, and considering what they have done w ATO, I’m still excited. My vote of a villain or a support companion? They need some duck representation! A quack advisor or duck helm 😆
Haha a duck advisor seems needed XD
Game looks very promising thus far. I'd love to see an Axolotl Dragon. Can't wait to see what else is revealed and I hope that Aeon Trespass will hold me over.
I will back it or hope to win, but what I really love about KDM is that characters can die and the city and gear building. Long story chapters I have to read do not work for me in a group. I love reading books, but with other people around me, I can't get lost in a story, and it is often an annoyance for me.