yes but trust me, listen to this full podcast, these three domt even agree with her. They are a true gem and explain how libertarians actually should b and most who say rthey r republicans are actually libertarians
Yup. Conservatives doubting libertarians simply for not having airtime don’t have to look far in terms of how their own are treated in the social media sphere of major platforms. They’re shadow banned into corners of discourse, with diminished traffic. Remaining blue pilled in perspectives of legitimizing media presence when major media outlets are controlled does not do anything positive for conservatives in their own odds against the reigning progressive regime.
Sadly, all the faces of the Libertarian party since after Ron Paul have all been kind of cringy or lame. Gary Johnson was idealistic and uninformed. Jo Jorgensen was incredibly boring and leaned into the woke BS (on top of clearly not having the ability to debate or be charismatic). Larry Sharpe is kind of idealistic and doesn't seem to know the nuance on lots of things. His podcast with Joe Rogan was cringy to watch and I would have sworn he was high on coke. I'd still prefer libertarians to Republicans and Democrats but I just wish they did a better job with political strategy and actually propping up someone that's strong, charismatic and highly intelligent so they can debate and sell their ideas and prove they know what they're talking about. I honestly just want someone that's rational and doesn't cave to the left or right but it seems like libertarians are always trying to toe the line of pleasing Republicans and Democrats at the same time but never being strong enough to coerce voters from either side. I'm not claiming to know the right strategy since people are tribalistic by nature and only seem to get more so, as time has gone on, so might just always be a losing battle for Libertarians.
You comment hits home. Currently I’m cringy to listen to, but have potential. Thanks for being smart. I’m inspired to continue to make right efforts to become known as smart
Also, Gary Johnson never won as a Libertarian. He was elected both times for Governor as a Republican. Kind of amazing to look back at some of the stuff he ran on back in the 90s. Honestly even if he’s a total goofball I’d vote for him over Biden or Trump in 2024.
I think the gist of it is they do debate but only when they can be televised. And that is dependent on whether or not the sponsor will allow it, be it _The Commission on Presidential Debates_ or your generic corporate media outlet that wants to sell ad-space/ad-time.
So much cope. Libertarians aren't allowed in the debates because people don't care about them. Big third parties have made the big boy table before (Ross Perot) because they were popular. LIbertarians just aren't as appealing as they think they are.
Victories don’t have to be uniquely in the political realm. Cultural victories are more impactful anyways. There’s good potential in people who are calling to end the Federal Reserve in the liberty movement, and those who are tired of the wokeism in the conservative and populist movement, to come at a joint front. Increasingly socialist governments also always build themselves up onto an inevitable collapse.
More like people who still vote for a two party system are just literal morons. "Libertarians don't win" because "they don't get votes". Because "they don't win". Because "no one votes for them". Do you UNDERSTAND it now, my guy????
He's from the city, it's pretty normal. He's trying to sell the idea of solutions, he's already got double the funding of his previous run. He also has 10+ events every week meeting people across the state, only candidate to hit every county in the state(we have 57) in an election cycle.
He’s good in the NY climate and culture. Of course that is a very niche culture not reflective of much of the rest of life elsewhere in the states. I wouldn’t blame him for coming from where he’s most familiar, and after all NY state is arguably the worst of all 50 states. Still there’s something valuable in his perspective I’d believe if he’s able to endure in that harsh of a political climate.
The first time I heard Larry speak, I was like "who the f**k is this guy?" Now, I pay close attention to him when he speaks. He has a very different approach than what I was used to over the past 35 years. After watching him campaign in all 62 NY state counties (which I believe no other gubernatorial candidate in NY history has done) and thinking about what that has cost him over the last 5 years (it can't be cheap, and lately he looks worn out), and I am happy to see that he is finally catching on and getting more attention. Granted, he's high-strung and a human being who of course won't get everything right - and he admits this. I hope that you get the opportunity to speak to him in person, if that's a possibility. I appreciate you even listening to him. Cheers!
Petition for ballot initiative and tell your representatives and canidates to put in Ranked choice voting. End Primaries. Write in only no name ballots. Gov website that lists all canidates and their website. Voter ed for 17yr olds. Notify everyone 2 months prior of elections.
Like it or not if we're going to have a libertarian candidate it needs to be someone like Rand Paul. You never go full libertarian, the American people will not go for it.
Fuck that stupid shit. The LP has been doing EXACTLY that and that’s gone NOWHERE! Stand on principle or you’re lLESS than worthless. Promising people shit you can’t deliver is dumb. That’s what the other parties do. BE DIFFERENT!
@@rzawistowski33 They are organized! You may not like them and there is a lot of infighting in them, but they are organized. Everyone knows where they can join their local political party. Democrats use government institutions, Republicans use church. They have a power structure and rules. Libertarians are a mess!
That's changing. What you are hearing here, are the voices that are on the verge of sweeping control of the party and re-shaping it. The next few years are going to be exciting.
The ones organizing the country now are statist progressives who ridiculed Ron Paul in a similar manner of wording, yet he ignited a lot of people regardless. In fact the ruling progressives love the idea of the standard opinion being that an entire country ought to be organized; it infers there’s credibility in the position they assume to have and in declaring power they presume to wield. But it is changing, albeit the party is just something at face value ultimately. The corporate press would rather want public opinion to remain on their side as long as possible in slowing down momentum that’s picking up in the liberty movement.
They do. Unfortunately the duopoly has created so many barriers to entry politically that local candidates and the national party alike have to spend a lot of their time and relatively miniscule budgets on things like ballot access efforts, and so there's usually little time and money left for advertising and such. (And the Ds and Rs with their bigger budgets don't even have to jump through the same hoops. It's a racket)
They do. The problem is under a "democracy", the two majorities (republicans and democrats) are morons. Even at a local level, the people are dumb enough to think it's about winning.
40000 usd for a poll, what else does it include? Because I can do a poll for you for lets say 3000 or 5000. So I assume it does also include publicity for that poll?
She really doesn’t lead any libertarians; she became rather or practically silent after her presidential run. Whereas these three on the panel never stopped.
Thats just rediculious to care. All that matters is what policies they want to put in or remove, and that they r a trustworthy good person. Looks dont and should not matter. Body hair is natural, u should not have a problem with seeing it. Many men also get ingrown hairs and shaving will cause painful ingrown hairs and other problems.
As a LoS fan I have to shoutout Dave on this!! Love seeing a Dave cameo on other podcasts!!
Wasn’t Jo the “it’s not enough to not be racist you must be antiracist” women?
Yes and then she attacked dave with some weasely nonsense.
Yeah, and listening to her she didn’t seem to be the brightest bulb out there
Just watch her interview on here and man there is a lot of empty head space with her
yes but trust me, listen to this full podcast, these three domt even agree with her. They are a true gem and explain how libertarians actually should b and most who say rthey r republicans are actually libertarians
Yup. Spike Cohen was the only worthy one of that team.
I think the Libertarian Party doesn't get any recognition or involved in any debates because it would socially legitimize them
It's not libertarians avoiding debates, it's blue and red doing everything they can to keep them off.
Yup. Conservatives doubting libertarians simply for not having airtime don’t have to look far in terms of how their own are treated in the social media sphere of major platforms. They’re shadow banned into corners of discourse, with diminished traffic. Remaining blue pilled in perspectives of legitimizing media presence when major media outlets are controlled does not do anything positive for conservatives in their own odds against the reigning progressive regime.
No it’s because most Americans don’t like the merit of their ideas. That simple.
@@IvanGonzalez-kf4lp Do you seriously think that the majority of Americans like the current 2 choices?
Really enjoyed this one pbd!
one of the best podcasts ive listened to
That explains so much. I had been wondering why Soike was so "not Spike" in 2020.
Sadly, all the faces of the Libertarian party since after Ron Paul have all been kind of cringy or lame. Gary Johnson was idealistic and uninformed. Jo Jorgensen was incredibly boring and leaned into the woke BS (on top of clearly not having the ability to debate or be charismatic). Larry Sharpe is kind of idealistic and doesn't seem to know the nuance on lots of things. His podcast with Joe Rogan was cringy to watch and I would have sworn he was high on coke.
I'd still prefer libertarians to Republicans and Democrats but I just wish they did a better job with political strategy and actually propping up someone that's strong, charismatic and highly intelligent so they can debate and sell their ideas and prove they know what they're talking about. I honestly just want someone that's rational and doesn't cave to the left or right but it seems like libertarians are always trying to toe the line of pleasing Republicans and Democrats at the same time but never being strong enough to coerce voters from either side. I'm not claiming to know the right strategy since people are tribalistic by nature and only seem to get more so, as time has gone on, so might just always be a losing battle for Libertarians.
You comment hits home. Currently I’m cringy to listen to, but have potential.
Thanks for being smart. I’m inspired to continue to make right efforts to become known as smart
Also, Gary Johnson never won as a Libertarian. He was elected both times for Governor as a Republican. Kind of amazing to look back at some of the stuff he ran on back in the 90s. Honestly even if he’s a total goofball I’d vote for him over Biden or Trump in 2024.
The LP just had a drastic change of leadership that you'll LOVE, keep your eyes on us
Do you guys like the idea of a third party candidate? Get involved in local politics.
If they change the message to gain the investment from the big money donors then they just become like the other 2 parties
Exactly. Libertarians don't get the big money from cronies because we are interested in free markets, not political favors.
Dave and Larry!!!
Who did the thumbnail for this clip? It prominently shows Dave and he got one joke in during the 9 minutes of conversation here.
The real reason libertarians don’t debate:
*crickets*
I think the gist of it is they do debate but only when they can be televised.
And that is dependent on whether or not the sponsor will allow it, be it _The Commission on Presidential Debates_ or your generic corporate media outlet that wants to sell ad-space/ad-time.
So much cope. Libertarians aren't allowed in the debates because people don't care about them. Big third parties have made the big boy table before (Ross Perot) because they were popular. LIbertarians just aren't as appealing as they think they are.
Victories don’t have to be uniquely in the political realm. Cultural victories are more impactful anyways.
There’s good potential in people who are calling to end the Federal Reserve in the liberty movement, and those who are tired of the wokeism in the conservative and populist movement, to come at a joint front. Increasingly socialist governments also always build themselves up onto an inevitable collapse.
More like people who still vote for a two party system are just literal morons. "Libertarians don't win" because "they don't get votes". Because "they don't win". Because "no one votes for them".
Do you UNDERSTAND it now, my guy????
I've literally never heard of Larry Sharpe before, but he comes across like a huckster. Is that just a New York thing?
He's from the city, it's pretty normal. He's trying to sell the idea of solutions, he's already got double the funding of his previous run. He also has 10+ events every week meeting people across the state, only candidate to hit every county in the state(we have 57) in an election cycle.
He's a very genuine and sincere person. I think some people outside NY just aren't accustomed to his delivery.
He’s good in the NY climate and culture. Of course that is a very niche culture not reflective of much of the rest of life elsewhere in the states. I wouldn’t blame him for coming from where he’s most familiar, and after all NY state is arguably the worst of all 50 states. Still there’s something valuable in his perspective I’d believe if he’s able to endure in that harsh of a political climate.
The first time I heard Larry speak, I was like "who the f**k is this guy?" Now, I pay close attention to him when he speaks. He has a very different approach than what I was used to over the past 35 years. After watching him campaign in all 62 NY state counties (which I believe no other gubernatorial candidate in NY history has done) and thinking about what that has cost him over the last 5 years (it can't be cheap, and lately he looks worn out), and I am happy to see that he is finally catching on and getting more attention. Granted, he's high-strung and a human being who of course won't get everything right - and he admits this. I hope that you get the opportunity to speak to him in person, if that's a possibility. I appreciate you even listening to him. Cheers!
kinda misleading to put Dave on the thumbnail when he only says I think eight words
Petition for ballot initiative and tell your representatives and canidates to put in Ranked choice voting. End Primaries. Write in only no name ballots. Gov website that lists all canidates and their website. Voter ed for 17yr olds. Notify everyone 2 months prior of elections.
Like it or not if we're going to have a libertarian candidate it needs to be someone like Rand Paul. You never go full libertarian, the American people will not go for it.
Rand paul fully sold out to the republican party, unfortunately
@@nickdala97 He's more middle ground for sure but that's why I think he actually has a chance.
Fuck that stupid shit. The LP has been doing EXACTLY that and that’s gone NOWHERE!
Stand on principle or you’re lLESS than worthless.
Promising people shit you can’t deliver is dumb. That’s what the other parties do.
BE DIFFERENT!
_”You never go full libertarian…”_
Interesting statement you made there🤔
@@willia3r It's true though. Full blown libertarians are kind of on the crazy side and clearly haven't thought things through.
So, in other words, the Libertarian Party is too impatient to do the work necessary to get the attention of the MSM. Okay.
These people can't even organize their own party, let alone a country!
And the two big ones are organized? Organized against the people maybe.
@@rzawistowski33 They are organized! You may not like them and there is a lot of infighting in them, but they are organized. Everyone knows where they can join their local political party. Democrats use government institutions, Republicans use church. They have a power structure and rules. Libertarians are a mess!
That's changing. What you are hearing here, are the voices that are on the verge of sweeping control of the party and re-shaping it. The next few years are going to be exciting.
The ones organizing the country now are statist progressives who ridiculed Ron Paul in a similar manner of wording, yet he ignited a lot of people regardless. In fact the ruling progressives love the idea of the standard opinion being that an entire country ought to be organized; it infers there’s credibility in the position they assume to have and in declaring power they presume to wield.
But it is changing, albeit the party is just something at face value ultimately. The corporate press would rather want public opinion to remain on their side as long as possible in slowing down momentum that’s picking up in the liberty movement.
@@Hibernial You sound like a Russian bot!
I think they need Gary Johnson, not because he's necessarily a good candidate, but he's goofy enough to grab some headlines.
Do Libertarians not run for state, municipal, local level elected positions?
Why not start there to get some more political party representation?
Look up the Mises Caucus.
They do. Unfortunately the duopoly has created so many barriers to entry politically that local candidates and the national party alike have to spend a lot of their time and relatively miniscule budgets on things like ballot access efforts, and so there's usually little time and money left for advertising and such.
(And the Ds and Rs with their bigger budgets don't even have to jump through the same hoops. It's a racket)
They do. The problem is under a "democracy", the two majorities (republicans and democrats) are morons. Even at a local level, the people are dumb enough to think it's about winning.
40000 usd for a poll, what else does it include? Because I can do a poll for you for lets say 3000 or 5000. So I assume it does also include publicity for that poll?
The name you couldn’t think of was Nick Sarwolk. And he got his sorry ass drummed out of the party by the Mesis caucus
Jorgensen isnt a good politician, i dont know why she leads the libertarians. Pick an actual libertarian to debate
Libertarians are definitely lacking for people with people-skills and media-savvy, that much is certain.
She really doesn’t lead any libertarians; she became rather or practically silent after her presidential run. Whereas these three on the panel never stopped.
We had a libertarian. Ron Paul. Guess how that ended up. People CHOOSE to be STUPID.
@@willia3r If it's about the media presence.....Why should anyone care about policies?
I don’t know a single libertarian that votes by polls and read the newspaper in 2020. They whole I need money $ to compete is ludicrous.
it’s just me but, I cannot take anybody seriously as a gubernatorial candidate when you don’t even shave.
Okay beardophobe
Thats just rediculious to care. All that matters is what policies they want to put in or remove, and that they r a trustworthy good person. Looks dont and should not matter. Body hair is natural, u should not have a problem with seeing it.
Many men also get ingrown hairs and shaving will cause painful ingrown hairs and other problems.
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