Remeber the library episodes? Remeber the scene Donna: "I saw the doctor" Dr Moon: "Yes. And then you forgot" Could be a coincidence or maybe a foreshadow?
The thing that hits me in turn left is Wilfred with his "It's happening again". This is a man who lived through the second world war and learned of the atrocities committed and undoubtedly thought "Only an evil person would allow such things to happen" and then see his own government do the same.
I really hate that moment. It's great, of course, but it just hurts me to see (especially since we're shown how decent the family are for 5-10 minutes before that).
My favourite episode, and the only one I would say is near-perfect. It has my favourite tropes - character reunion and "what-would-the-world-be-like-if-the-hero-never-existed" - and the whole stars-going-out premise is brilliant. Also, the soundtrack is incredible.
@MrDalekEmperor2 Well not forever, because he's a human, but essentially yes, he'd live a technically normal life and die a brilliant and kind, old man.
I just realized that in the events of 'Turn Left' Harold Saxon wouldn't have existed in the present day world. As his creation was the result of the Doctor going to the End of the Universe with Jack. Since in this timeline the Doctor was killed by the Empress of the Racnoss and he never met Martha, Yana's transformation and subsequent regeneration into the Master wouldn't have happened, nor would he have had any way to escape the Planet since that was only possible with the help of Jack. So, the fact that Harold Saxon wasn't mentioned is actually very clever considering the timeline.
I'm not sure many people catch this but the subwave network was, as Harriet Jones said, set up by the 'Mr Copper Foundation' Mr Copper was the old man with "the first class degree in Earthanomics" from 'Voyage of the Damned'. I just think that is a fun little fact
i never realised that thx, on my latest viewing i thought this must be some reference about them in england in the past but that makes complete sense, since he would probably know more about sophisticated alien networks.
The reason the master wasn’t mentioned, was that the doctor died before he went to the end of the universe so he never came back to Earth Edit: And when the tanks shoot down the racnoss web, They just shout “FIRE” Rather than “Orders from mr Saxon FIRE” In the runaway bride
Sheridan Comnene everyone probably does before they got to utopia. The doctor helped launch the rocket so with the doctor dead everyone stayed and probably got devoured by the future kind
Honestly how iconic is it to see the credits fly by insanely fast to see “David Tennant, Cathrine Tate, Freema Agyman, John Barrowman with Elizabeth Sladen and Billie Piper.” Like that is what dreams are made of. Edit: I wrote the first part before finishing the video, sooooo 🤷♂️
I do feel like, a massive living beetle on someone’s back would elicit a pretty big reaction from me, all things considered with the whole aliens ending the world
Possibly the realitywarping powers of the BIG BUG also have the sideeffect of irrational fear. It sort of makes sense. These people probably can't see it completly. Maybe they are just aware of some sort of unnatural thing clinging to her back. People fear the unknown.
And if you watched the SJA episode “Whatever happen to Sarah Jane Smith” the Trickster actually thought of what would happen to the universe without the doctor. The chaos that would happen. And the beetle is part of the trickster brigade.
@@guardiansparky1766 It really bothers me with New Who, the amount of time altering and universe shifting going on should have given the Trickster all the energy he needs to fully materialize in our reality
That last exchange with Wilf and the Doctor in Journeys End breaks my heart everytime... The music, the rain, "On her behalf, I'll look up at the sky and think of you"..... "Thank you". The Doctor taking his coat off and staring off into the middle distance wondering what he's going to do now... Good God why cant Doctor Who be that powerful anymore??
The Harold Saxon plotline gets easily explained. If the doctor died, the TARDIS would never have reached the end of the universe and the master could never go to 2007.
The bug in Turn Left was a member of the Trickster's Brigade, a group of aliens lead by the Trickster that had the power to change small details in reality to cause huge impacts. The Time Beetle specifically creates alternate realities by attaching itself to a host with doubts about a certain decision they made in their life and forcing them to change that decision. That reality is only real as long as the Time Beetle is attached, and the beetle is normally completely invisible to the host as a form of protection. Donna killed herself for two reasons: 1) Because it would physically stop her other self from turning left because of the traffic jam she would cause, and 2) Because the easiest way to kill a parasite you can't see or hurt is by killing its host, i.e herself.
It's interesting that this is the second time that Rose comforted someone who jumped in front a vehicle to sacrifice themselves for the universe and for the Doctor so that time would be restored.
I think it’s crazy how in the 8 seasons following this, the show has never been able to replicate the sheer scale of this story. Seeing Torchwood, Sarah Jane and the huge cast of supporting characters we had grown to love all on screen together was and is always going to be a joy to watch. (The rose stuff was a bit much though.)
If the Doctor died, the Master's plan wouldn't have come to be in the first place. They are only able to leave Utopia because of the Doctor helping with the launch of the rocket, and they then needed Jack to enter the radiation chamber, who was only there because the Doctor arrived at the end of the universe. Also the Master only opens the watch because Martha draws attention to it, so that's why I'm guessing that Saxon's plan wasn't mentioned at all in Turn Left.
Harriet Jones' death really got to me, especially in retrospect. She was a humble elected office holder dedicated to upholding the public good, and made tough calls when necessary, even when it led to the end of her political career. Yet even though the Doctor killed her career, she still admired him and spent the rest of her life ensuring the Doctor's dream and humanity's future would survive. Compare her to politicians today (*cough Trump cough*) and it does really feel like humanity took the wrong turn, yet all of this is not a dream.
@Faizaan Naseem Now I'm no Trump fan, but you picked a horrible example there. Unemployment has been tending down in the US since 2010. Before covid hit, the unemployment rate was the lowest it's been since the 60's.
@@MrMasterSmasher Unemployment was trending down since 2010, due to the actions of the Obama administration. Obama went into office in 2008 and inherited an awful recession, turned both it and took his entire first term to drop unemployment down below 8%, and then continued a downward trend through till 2020, where we've been hit with the largest job loss in nearly 100 years, and though Trump brags about 9 million new jobs, most of those numbers were furloughs going back to work, not new jobs, and additionally it only made a dent in the massive unemployment numbers that we're still seeing. The trending down unemployment was just another thing Trump inherited from someone better than himself, but still tries to take credit for it regardless.
@@ShaggyDabbyDank I'm not sure why you're giving me a history lesson I already know about. I'm not making any grand statements about Trump saving the unemployed. Like I've already said: I'm no fan of the current president. The simple fact is that unemployment started dropping around 2010, it continued to steadily drop until it was at its lowest point in 60 years, and then the virus hit. Trying to argue that Trump is a bad president because unemployment is bad right NOW makes no sense to me. There's been a nation-wide quarantine. Of course unemployment is going to skyrocket when half the country is locked inside their homes. You may as well say the same thing about every other leader worldwide, because the virus affected everyone; not just the United States. There are so many arguments you could make against Trump. This is the one angle you could take that actually makes him look kinda good, so I am genuinely confused by this. That's why I made my original comment. Not to defend Trump or whatever, but because of all the stuff Faizaan could have brought up, he picked that. It was just such a poor choice of argument, I had to bring it up. Edit: Now I'm gonna leave this here, because I'd rather not stick around to continue being part of a political argument underneath a Doctor Who video. Hopefully my comments won't spark some big keyboard debate on this thread. Probably should have let sleeping dogs lie in that case, not replied to a two-week-old comment, but well... Oops, I guess.
I also think he may have some sort of PTSD because the last time he faced the Daleks was when he died properly before Rose brought him back and the doctor left him behind.
This is Russel at his best. I always cry when I know Donna is about to get her memory wiped, the music by Murray Gold makes it even worse and the acting is so emotional, I can never watch the last few minutes when it happens and afterwards when she gives just a 'see ya' to the Doctor and at the end he's standing, crying in the rain. I'm just glad that at the end of time the part of her brain that's dormant due to the part time lord warns Wilfred by getting him the book
In answer to the question of if people even get milk delivered any more - some do, because my dad is actually one of the few milkmen left in England. No joke.
The fact that I’m tearing up at the part of you reviewing Rose and Donna’s goodbyes proves how fucking excellent the writing is and the performances are. The screenshots are enough to get a swelling in my heart. Truly excellent episodes, full of emotion Doctor Who will probably never get to again. Thanks for these reviews, Harry. The nostalgia of these perfect episodes rings strong in your reviews and I really appreciate viewing these.
31:47 Fun fact: the Daleks haven't said "exterminieren" once in the German synchronisation. They always say "eliminieren" (eliminate). Frankly, it's a bit disappointing.
but in the german forest, in the english version they do say extermineren. tbf if i watched the dutch version and they said elimineren it wouldn't be nearly as frightful
I genuinely felt helpless during Turn Left because I watched as the world The Doctor once saved fall apart. The music and atmosphere of the episode felt helpless. One of my best-scariest episode yet
5:43 Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead were supposed to come just before Turn Left, but as you say, Steven ended up writing a similar tale of an alternate life for Donna unbeknownst to Russell. To fix this, Russell moved the two-parter a few episodes back. This somewhat messes up some meta-commentary, however, as Midnight (set on Crusader 50) was intended to be the 50th episode.
*I love how loyal Russell is to Doctor Who.* Placing a middle-class English family into situations usually only seen on news reporting third world countries is one he had been keeping for years and years (and would later use _in_ Years and Years.) *That's a huge idea, but he gave it up for our camp little show, even if he was slightly reluctant.*
I love the juxtaposition with Donna’s reactions to entering the Tardis for the first time. In ‘The Runaway Bride’ Donna has been stolen from her happiest day and finds herself in the Tardis; Furious. In ‘Turn Left’ she is at her absolute lowest point and being shown this magnificent machine gives her a feeling that she hasn’t genuinely felt in years; Wonder.
I remember rewatching this finale a few years ago and realised that Catherine Tate is (kinda) the first female doctor and I think she would be brilliant in the role. I also drew links to what Donna was wearing in the episodes, A big brown coat similar to Tennant's, I could be pushing it but I still like this idea.
MrDalekEmperor2 they almost don’t need to be though, that’s what I like about it. It’s the terror and fear they instil simply by existing and shows what they can acc do when they invade instead of future seasons where they just..... well...... talk. But I ent gonna try and argue with someone w a name like DalekEmperor on Dalek lethality lmao
JustSomeRandomGuy Online how? Exactly? His master is a child, the companions are wooden, the cybermen did absolutely nothing and were of no threat to anyone and the dalek blew up a few tanks before being nothing more than a tool for the doctor to speak at for the rest of the episode
6:03 Harold Saxton and the year that never happened, never happened without the Doctor. If he died, how did the TARDIS go to the end of time for the Master to rediscover his identity? He couldn't have. Therefore, no Saxton.
God, this was depressingly satisfying. Hearing your praises for quite possibly the greatest DW finale of all time was a joy but...you're right. This was Who at its finest. Its peak. Sure, there were moments of perfection to come, and I'm still a big fan to this day. But when you look back at this era of Tennant, Tate, Davies, Gardner, old companions returning, the Torchwood and Sarah Jane Adventures crossover, Davros and the Daleks, the writing, the music, the performances, the themes, the editing, the camera work, the bloody FEEL of the show. There's nothing like it anymore, in my opinion. This was the most consistently perfect series there's ever been, and quite possibly ever will be. And to know that, with hindsight, is a heartbreaker. But hey. Those feelings of euphoria, excitement, elation, emotion watching these episodes...in the words of our favourite Gallifreyean Northerner; absolutely fantastic.
I think it’s a crying shame that the show hasn’t been able to reach the emotional heights of the Davis era again. Going back and rewatching really makes you realise how much the Chibbers era is truly lacking.
Idk, but I quite like the repeated talk in Turn Left. It gets the viewer back into the scene. The dystopian future is far away, whereas reality with its mundane conversations is here again, ready to be saved.
I remember (and still get) the real tingles of excitement when Donna said the words "Bad Wolf" at the end of Turn Left, so very exciting to see this review!
Re. The Stolen Earth: Martha's friend being "over-exterminated," helped me stay calm when that Dalek lands a shot on the Doctor. Said shot illuminates the mid-to-upper-left portion of his torso, an obviously weaker hit than the aforementioned "over-extermination."
I love the Stolen Earth and Journey’s End, my only complaint is that there’s a random control console just chilling in the middle of the room they’re all in and it’s what is used to destroy all the daleks, it’s way too convenient. Turn Left I think is the best of the 3 episodes here.
Its part of the trickster brigade. From what I can gather it only can warp the reality of the persons memories I believe. However in the Sarah Jane Adventures The Trickster is a much powerful creature. Best review yet see you in your next video.
This really was a huge shot of nostalgia right into my old jaded veins. Being a kid back in 2008 seeing SJA, torchwood and Who all culminating into one big story rly did cement the Russel t Davis era as the best of modern who. I feel so bad for kids today growing up with what who has become, maybe I’m too old but it just feels... soulless
I want to point out the reason why Saxon is missing: The Master only came back because Martha reawakened his memories in Utopia. The Doctor died before he met Martha, meaning Martha is not present to reawaken the Master. The Master just stays as Professor Yana in this timeline
One of my favourite things about Journey's End (which I think goes unnoticed) is the moment where the Doctor, Rose and Jack leave the TARDIS in the beginning. It mirrors the first finale of the revival series. They abandon TARDIS on a Dalek ship, surrounded by an army, having just all reunited - the same circumstances as in 'The Parting Of The Ways'. That episode is even referred to with Jack's comments about the extrapolator.
One thought I've had more recently about the ending with Donna in this episode is if the situation could have been avoidable if it had taken place before the Time War or if the stage of the Meta Crisis was still irreversible. Mainly due to how in stuff like Big Finish, Ace went on to become a Time Lord so a Human becoming a Time Lord would be possible in a controlled manner.
I can't seem to find any major Who critic on the internet who is on the same page as me about how poorly Rose was written in all of her season 4 appearances. In a nutshell, she wasn't a character anymore, she was a plot device. Her only job was to spout exposition and well...just "be there." She felt more like a cameo in her own show. I get that she's matured and all from working with Torchwood on the other side, but her character is just so completely different that it doesn't even feel like her, and these three episodes never slow down enough to show us the chemistry between Rose and the Doctor. The best we got was when they ran towards each other, but as soon as he was shot and regenerated, the episode just kind of bunched Rose in with the rest of the flock of companions, and carried on with the plot. By the time they got back to Bad Wolf Bay, I couldn't really remember why we wanted these two to be together so badly in the first place. Even the awkward look on the faces of Rose and half Human Doctor in their last shot seems so forced.
6:31 *I know right! It's like an elegant, bombastic recap for the modern era.* Absolutely necessary given this season's finale is reliant on a series of call-backs, which the audience would have to be clued-in on. It likewise works as a bit of a cock-tease for the following story, as nods to Torchwood and Sarah Jane make you go "Man, I wish we had a crossover episode."
What a phenomenal close this was. Couldn't help but remember it and want to weep when Jodie Whittaker's 13 runs away as a human becomes suicide bomber in her place to destroy Gallifrey all over again, proving Davros right "The man who abhors violence, never carrying a gun, but this is the truth, Doctor: you take ordinary people and you fashion them into weapons." Chibnall did a hatchet job on Tennant's Doctor's parting achievements in particular. This ending got undermined. His delightful reappearance in Day of the Doctor to save the day with Matt Smith and John Hurt got undone by killing Gallifrey anyway for no good reason... maybe that is why I detest 13 so much. Tennant was my favourite.
Awesome review!! I never actually realised that Turn Left did such a fantastic job at foreshadowing The Stolen Earth storyline so I think I'm considering it as a 3 parter also now :o You're totally right! This was THE golden era and Doctor Who was very much at its best. Wonderful video! :D
Fun fact originally the Doctor was going to do a classic “what” where 2 cybermen appear in the Tardis. Presumably they would’ve been defeated in the opening scene of The Next Doctor.
10:30 gonna have to disagree with you there mate. The reason why the bug on Donnas back isn't just because it is a 'giant beetle'', although if you saw a dog sized beetle you wouldn't be scared of it, really? I would. That particular beetle has the ability to control the flow of time and is the reason why Donna experienced everything in Turn Left so you downplaying the Beetle makes me think you weren't paying attention. The part with the maid pointing at Donna makes perfect sense as well because it was the beetle she was pointing at.
Harry! There's a time and a place! But seriously, these are my favourite Doctor Who episode of all time. I've tried to move on from them, but I can't. They're perfect. The only complaints I have are so insignificantly minor, that they barely even get there heads above the emotional scenes, great acting, FANTASTIC writing and the best end of an era Doctor Who fans could wish for. And another thing, this was the THIRD idea Russell had for series 4! As Donna wasn't originally meant to return, NONE of this was the original plan! Thanks Journey's End. You've honestly made me who I am today.
If you love Davis' writing so much, you might consider reviewing the short-lived series Queer as Folk. Its charming, funny, gritty and oh so rewatchable with a satisfying ending.
How did we go from incredible story telling, and amazing episodes like Midnight and Turn Left to awful episodes like Kerblam and that stupid episode with that frog... I miss Doctor Who :(
Ever since watching this Review of Turn Left; I can't help but think about all the Series 3 events that would've happened, not just being the Master being stuck unawakened at the end of the Universe. - The Family of Blood would've died, Nurse Redfern would've been safe along with that entire village. No death or destruction. Though Timothy would've get the heightened warrior boost from the Fobwatch. - The Ship from 42 Would've fallen into the sun. - The Angels would never be able to get at the Tardis leaving them stuck in that manor unless they got interested in Sally and just sent her back in time... - Though I do wonder how The Daleks plan would've gone in 1940s Manhattan without The Doctor intervening. - The Lazarus Project wouldn't exist due to lack of Saxon's funding as Saxon doesn't exist without The Tardis going to the end of the Universe for The Master to steal it. - Finally, The Face Of Boe would die without being able to tell his secret... Though if the Tardis could never reach Utopia; Jack/FOB wouldn't have memory of it, therefore, no secret.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer True but Dalek Caan must've still emergency temporal shift away in Donna's parallel world timeline as he had to go back into the Time War to save Davros for the Reality Bomb to go off with the stars starting to go out in the Parallel World. Maybe the whole Cult emergency temporal shifted into the Time War or the gamma Strike didn't work killing Sec, Jast and Thay with only Caan surviving. Whoa, thinking about this too much is making my head hurt.
It seems many have already mentioned that Harold Saxon wouldn't have been around in this alternate timeline as he was still at the end of the universe since the Doctor and co never went there in the first place. What is often overlooked though is the fact that in Voyage of the Damned, the impact of the Titanic on the Earth is said to be world-ending and an extinction level event, yet when it crashes in this what if timeline it only destroys London, so I'm never quite sure which it is, would it destroy all life on Earth or just London? I loved when Rose mentioned Tochwood when she and Donna see the gas burn off and you get that little teaser of the Torchwood theme, and even the news report about the Royal Hope Hospital mentions that not only Sarah Jane died there on the Moon, but also Luke, Maria and Clyde who were Sarah Jane's "assistants" in her spin-off (poor Mr Smith in that timeline). I would say that Mickey and Jackie's arrival at the right place and time to save Sarah Jane was a bit jarring, as they even seemed aware they were going to be shooting upon arrival, I can only guess that they sort of "see" where they are going before they get there, like when Jake and his Preachers arrived to take down the Cybermen in Tochwood Tower, and how Pete knew where to be to grab Rose in time before she was sucked into the Void. I agree that the testing sequence wasn't perfect, especially that repeated dialogue moment, the matter of their deaths seemed rather painless than you'd expect from the Daleks, more like Thanos' snap. Apparently, early screenplays in The Stolen Earth would have had numerous alien species crowding up the Shadow Proclamation, all angry that their worlds had been stolen, with the Doctor telling a low-flying Vespiform to watch it. It would have also featured some Raxacoricofallapatorians with a juvenile called "Margaret". And the Subwave Network that Harriet used to contact the Doctor's allies, she mentions it was created by the Mr Copper Foundation. Mr Copper was one of the few survivors of the Titanic who had a million pounds on his credit card, and he was supposed to appear in The Stolen Earth but apparently he was very rude to some journalists writing a Doctor Who magazine so he was not asked to return. I rewatched these three episodes recently and wondered how Rose managed to get access to military satellite networks on that laptop in the electronics store that was being raided, it just appeared to be on the screen as if just for convenience. I still love that scene when the message comes through, Jack, Sarah Jane and Martha all know what it is that is coming, and even Jack, the immortal man saying "I'm sorry...we're dead" is when you know your goose is well and truly cooked. I feel the decision to not put a next time teaser on the end of the Stolen Earth was a good choice as it would have been so deconstructed by everyone combing the few moments of footage for clues about what happens to the Doctor in this shock regeneration. I've often wondered how this story would have unfolded had he turned into Matt Smith there and then, probably not well as Donna and the TARDIS would have likely been destroyed at the heart of the Crucible. Just a few small thoughts I had about this three-parter :)
People should rank these episodes on IMDb if they haven't already. They've got impressive scores but tbh they deserve to be so much higher. It's the pinnacle of the RTD era.
For once in Donnas life, she had self worth. She felt like she was important. When he wiped her, she wasn't afraid of not knowing... she knew she would be returning back to the Donna who has absolutely nothing of worth about her. The universe will know of her and how cosmically important she is... but she will never feel that way again. And then to top it off, when the doctor looks at her mother and gives her quite a glare "well maybe you should tell her that" when talking about how important she is... oof, it's just crisp.
I dunno if this would've worked better but ya know how Donna kind of "flicks a switch" in Journeys End and the Reality Bomb is shut down. Imagine if the Daleks had set a DNA code for the RB to destroy all life other than Dalek in the universe, then Donna uses Roses hand to re-code the Reality Bomb to Dalek, since Rose has a very small amount of dalek DNA inside her because of S1 Ep "Dalek" when she touched one. That would really bring the revival full-circle.
Fun fact: at the end of journeys end there was actually going to be a “WHAT?!” Moment where the cybermen appear behind the doctor in the tardis. Really happy they cut that out
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@Grey Wild Wolf I think it's great! I wish I knew more about musical theory.
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On the topic of milk men. My neighbours still get milk delivered.
Remeber the library episodes?
Remeber the scene
Donna: "I saw the doctor"
Dr Moon: "Yes. And then you forgot"
Could be a coincidence or maybe a foreshadow?
The thing that hits me in turn left is Wilfred with his "It's happening again". This is a man who lived through the second world war and learned of the atrocities committed and undoubtedly thought "Only an evil person would allow such things to happen" and then see his own government do the same.
I really hate that moment. It's great, of course, but it just hurts me to see (especially since we're shown how decent the family are for 5-10 minutes before that).
Yeah I think that’s a highlight in wilfs character along with his reminiscing of being a soldier in “The end of time”
This line gives me chills on every rewatch
Breaks my heart every time...
That's the BBC for ya, anti British to the core.
Turn Left is incredibly underrated. I feel like it was overshadowed by the final 2 episodes, but it was an awesome story.
Billy It’s definitely in my top 15 episodes for sure
My eyes get moist every single time.
“LEEDS?!”
Best episode in nu who in my opinion, and also the darkest...
Traumatised as a child, planted ideas of global devastation and dystopia which in retrospect, was good preparation!
My favourite episode, and the only one I would say is near-perfect. It has my favourite tropes - character reunion and "what-would-the-world-be-like-if-the-hero-never-existed" - and the whole stars-going-out premise is brilliant. Also, the soundtrack is incredible.
The Master/Saxon isn't mentioned because he was only in the present because of the Doctor. No Doctor, no Master.
I came here to say this
Lonly Wanderer oh my. That’s brilliant. Because he’s the only reason that the Master wasn’t still at the end of the Universe.
@MrDalekEmperor2 Well not forever, because he's a human, but essentially yes, he'd live a technically normal life and die a brilliant and kind, old man.
I essentially said this exact same thing, only in far more detail 😅
oh yeah from utopia
I just realized that in the events of 'Turn Left' Harold Saxon wouldn't have existed in the present day world. As his creation was the result of the Doctor going to the End of the Universe with Jack. Since in this timeline the Doctor was killed by the Empress of the Racnoss and he never met Martha, Yana's transformation and subsequent regeneration into the Master wouldn't have happened, nor would he have had any way to escape the Planet since that was only possible with the help of Jack. So, the fact that Harold Saxon wasn't mentioned is actually very clever considering the timeline.
Thank you, came here to say that too
He couldn't be there not just wasn't there
“The saddest part of this scene was that the show hasn’t reached heights like this since and probably never will again”. That hit hard 🥺😭
As much as I love seasons 5 to 10 season 4 will always be the best.
@@danielhenze8182 so true 😭
It’s not true though. Series 5 the pick of modern Who IMO (do love this one though)
@@neilmundy417 I go back and forth on which on I like better but 4 and 5 are VERY close
@@neilmundy417 Yeah, S5 is easily my favourite. S4 was a very strong one, but I felt like the final episode pulled it down a fair bit.
I'm not sure many people catch this but the subwave network was, as Harriet Jones said, set up by the 'Mr Copper Foundation' Mr Copper was the old man with "the first class degree in Earthanomics" from 'Voyage of the Damned'. I just think that is a fun little fact
This finale really is the Metal Gear Solid 4 of Doctor who.
But better.
i never realised that thx, on my latest viewing i thought this must be some reference about them in england in the past but that makes complete sense, since he would probably know more about sophisticated alien networks.
I did realized that and I loved it
The reason the master wasn’t mentioned, was that the doctor died before he went to the end of the universe so he never came back to Earth
Edit: And when the tanks shoot down the racnoss web, They just shout “FIRE” Rather than “Orders from mr Saxon FIRE” In the runaway bride
Proffesor yana probably died on that planet
Sheridan Comnene everyone probably does before they got to utopia. The doctor helped launch the rocket so with the doctor dead everyone stayed and probably got devoured by the future kind
@@Stuntmanforlyf No Jack Harkness to turn those dials in the Stedt Radiation room either.
Ah-tah
Dam didn’t notice that last part
Honestly how iconic is it to see the credits fly by insanely fast to see “David Tennant, Cathrine Tate, Freema Agyman, John Barrowman with Elizabeth Sladen and Billie Piper.” Like that is what dreams are made of.
Edit: I wrote the first part before finishing the video, sooooo 🤷♂️
I do feel like, a massive living beetle on someone’s back would elicit a pretty big reaction from me, all things considered with the whole aliens ending the world
I mean, look how some people react to regularly sized insects...
Clearly he wasn't australian
I think it would be better if it was more alive looking, it just looks like a rubber toy when it's shown
Possibly the realitywarping powers of the BIG BUG also have the sideeffect of irrational fear. It sort of makes sense. These people probably can't see it completly. Maybe they are just aware of some sort of unnatural thing clinging to her back. People fear the unknown.
And if you watched the SJA episode “Whatever happen to Sarah Jane Smith” the Trickster actually thought of what would happen to the universe without the doctor. The chaos that would happen. And the beetle is part of the trickster brigade.
MrDalekEmperor2 I forgot the name when typing. And never came back to correct it so thank you For your reply.
its the trickster not tricker lmao
Really wish they would have brought him into the main series to confront 11 or 12, I mean c'mon that guy is still out there!
@@guardiansparky1766 It really bothers me with New Who, the amount of time altering and universe shifting going on should have given the Trickster all the energy he needs to fully materialize in our reality
@@thegoodfather1177 it not time changing it’s when it causes mass chaos that makes the trickster manifest not just the future changing
That last exchange with Wilf and the Doctor in Journeys End breaks my heart everytime... The music, the rain, "On her behalf, I'll look up at the sky and think of you"..... "Thank you". The Doctor taking his coat off and staring off into the middle distance wondering what he's going to do now... Good God why cant Doctor Who be that powerful anymore??
The Harold Saxon plotline gets easily explained. If the doctor died, the TARDIS would never have reached the end of the universe and the master could never go to 2007.
The bug in Turn Left was a member of the Trickster's Brigade, a group of aliens lead by the Trickster that had the power to change small details in reality to cause huge impacts. The Time Beetle specifically creates alternate realities by attaching itself to a host with doubts about a certain decision they made in their life and forcing them to change that decision. That reality is only real as long as the Time Beetle is attached, and the beetle is normally completely invisible to the host as a form of protection. Donna killed herself for two reasons: 1) Because it would physically stop her other self from turning left because of the traffic jam she would cause, and 2) Because the easiest way to kill a parasite you can't see or hurt is by killing its host, i.e herself.
It's interesting that this is the second time that Rose comforted someone who jumped in front a vehicle to sacrifice themselves for the universe and for the Doctor so that time would be restored.
@@chefboiarby304 It's interesting that no-one in either of the comment threads you've posted this in asked.
@@ginge641 No one asked for that either
I think it’s crazy how in the 8 seasons following this, the show has never been able to replicate the sheer scale of this story. Seeing Torchwood, Sarah Jane and the huge cast of supporting characters we had grown to love all on screen together was and is always going to be a joy to watch. (The rose stuff was a bit much though.)
Series, not seasons
Blobfish oh yeah my bad
Well to be fair. Now there isn’t any spinoffs to cross over with
WackyWAA ! Rip class
dmb damn Ik, one season and a cliffhanger is all we’ll get. It wasn’t bad tho
If the Doctor died, the Master's plan wouldn't have come to be in the first place. They are only able to leave Utopia because of the Doctor helping with the launch of the rocket, and they then needed Jack to enter the radiation chamber, who was only there because the Doctor arrived at the end of the universe. Also the Master only opens the watch because Martha draws attention to it, so that's why I'm guessing that Saxon's plan wasn't mentioned at all in Turn Left.
@MrDalekEmperor2 Exactly
Harriet Jones' death really got to me, especially in retrospect. She was a humble elected office holder dedicated to upholding the public good, and made tough calls when necessary, even when it led to the end of her political career. Yet even though the Doctor killed her career, she still admired him and spent the rest of her life ensuring the Doctor's dream and humanity's future would survive. Compare her to politicians today (*cough Trump cough*) and it does really feel like humanity took the wrong turn, yet all of this is not a dream.
@Stevean2 , thank you for proving my point. The polity is in shambles.
@Faizaan Naseem Now I'm no Trump fan, but you picked a horrible example there. Unemployment has been tending down in the US since 2010. Before covid hit, the unemployment rate was the lowest it's been since the 60's.
@@MrMasterSmasher Unemployment was trending down since 2010, due to the actions of the Obama administration. Obama went into office in 2008 and inherited an awful recession, turned both it and took his entire first term to drop unemployment down below 8%, and then continued a downward trend through till 2020, where we've been hit with the largest job loss in nearly 100 years, and though Trump brags about 9 million new jobs, most of those numbers were furloughs going back to work, not new jobs, and additionally it only made a dent in the massive unemployment numbers that we're still seeing. The trending down unemployment was just another thing Trump inherited from someone better than himself, but still tries to take credit for it regardless.
@@ShaggyDabbyDank I'm not sure why you're giving me a history lesson I already know about. I'm not making any grand statements about Trump saving the unemployed. Like I've already said: I'm no fan of the current president. The simple fact is that unemployment started dropping around 2010, it continued to steadily drop until it was at its lowest point in 60 years, and then the virus hit. Trying to argue that Trump is a bad president because unemployment is bad right NOW makes no sense to me. There's been a nation-wide quarantine. Of course unemployment is going to skyrocket when half the country is locked inside their homes. You may as well say the same thing about every other leader worldwide, because the virus affected everyone; not just the United States.
There are so many arguments you could make against Trump. This is the one angle you could take that actually makes him look kinda good, so I am genuinely confused by this. That's why I made my original comment. Not to defend Trump or whatever, but because of all the stuff Faizaan could have brought up, he picked that. It was just such a poor choice of argument, I had to bring it up.
Edit: Now I'm gonna leave this here, because I'd rather not stick around to continue being part of a political argument underneath a Doctor Who video. Hopefully my comments won't spark some big keyboard debate on this thread. Probably should have let sleeping dogs lie in that case, not replied to a two-week-old comment, but well... Oops, I guess.
@Stevean2 he mentioned his name once dude don't get so pissy about
In that amazing “EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE” scene, i always laugh cus Jack, the immortal man, says “we’re dead”
I also think he may have some sort of PTSD because the last time he faced the Daleks was when he died properly before Rose brought him back and the doctor left him behind.
He's technically immortal but he can be incinerated eternally which would pretty much to the job
This is Russel at his best. I always cry when I know Donna is about to get her memory wiped, the music by Murray Gold makes it even worse and the acting is so emotional, I can never watch the last few minutes when it happens and afterwards when she gives just a 'see ya' to the Doctor and at the end he's standing, crying in the rain. I'm just glad that at the end of time the part of her brain that's dormant due to the part time lord warns Wilfred by getting him the book
Just you wait until 2023, my friend! 😉
In answer to the question of if people even get milk delivered any more - some do, because my dad is actually one of the few milkmen left in England. No joke.
Dad is a legend then
"I am the milkman. My milk is delicious." -Your Dad
If Harry doesn’t like it... I will be very cross
I love the bit where Wilf says ‘it’s happening again’. Chills
The fact that I’m tearing up at the part of you reviewing Rose and Donna’s goodbyes proves how fucking excellent the writing is and the performances are. The screenshots are enough to get a swelling in my heart. Truly excellent episodes, full of emotion Doctor Who will probably never get to again. Thanks for these reviews, Harry. The nostalgia of these perfect episodes rings strong in your reviews and I really appreciate viewing these.
Wilfred saying "It's happening again" still sticks with me today. what a haunting line.
I’m worried Harry’s gonna break down and cry about the ending quite frankly.
31:47 Fun fact: the Daleks haven't said "exterminieren" once in the German synchronisation. They always say "eliminieren" (eliminate). Frankly, it's a bit disappointing.
Aw way to ruin it for me... genuinely
Google User probably because of historical context.
but in the german forest, in the english version they do say extermineren. tbf if i watched the dutch version and they said elimineren it wouldn't be nearly as frightful
I genuinely felt helpless during Turn Left because I watched as the world The Doctor once saved fall apart. The music and atmosphere of the episode felt helpless. One of my best-scariest episode yet
5:43 Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead were supposed to come just before Turn Left, but as you say, Steven ended up writing a similar tale of an alternate life for Donna unbeknownst to Russell. To fix this, Russell moved the two-parter a few episodes back. This somewhat messes up some meta-commentary, however, as Midnight (set on Crusader 50) was intended to be the 50th episode.
Can’t lie, Turn Left is a personal favourite of mine. Probably my most watched episode, just find it so entertaining😂
@@davidvasey5065 ...which makes it intriguing to watch I guess...
Oh my god... AND TURN LEFT? This is a dream come true
*I love how loyal Russell is to Doctor Who.* Placing a middle-class English family into situations usually only seen on news reporting third world countries is one he had been keeping for years and years (and would later use _in_ Years and Years.)
*That's a huge idea, but he gave it up for our camp little show, even if he was slightly reluctant.*
Years and years is camp
@@tomvandaalen273 - it's an RTD dystopia, what do you want?
And maybe come to your own opinions instead of quoting Harry's.
The fact that I never actually considered Turn Left to be the budget-saver really shows how great it is. Stay safe
I love the juxtaposition with Donna’s reactions to entering the Tardis for the first time.
In ‘The Runaway Bride’ Donna has been stolen from her happiest day and finds herself in the Tardis; Furious.
In ‘Turn Left’ she is at her absolute lowest point and being shown this magnificent machine gives her a feeling that she hasn’t genuinely felt in years; Wonder.
The only other thing I've watched that gave me this level of hype was Avengers: Endgame
When I first watched Turn Left I had never heard of Leeds before so I thought it was some terrible punishment
Even when you find out that it is real, it still feels like a terrible punishment.
Leeds >>>>>> London any day of the week
I remember rewatching this finale a few years ago and realised that Catherine Tate is (kinda) the first female doctor and I think she would be brilliant in the role. I also drew links to what Donna was wearing in the episodes, A big brown coat similar to Tennant's, I could be pushing it but I still like this idea.
The Stolen Earth was the Daleks done right and it’s never been done that well since
Exactly. Moffat had NO idea how to do daleks properly. He was much better off creating new villains.
MrDalekEmperor2 they almost don’t need to be though, that’s what I like about it. It’s the terror and fear they instil simply by existing and shows what they can acc do when they invade instead of future seasons where they just..... well...... talk. But I ent gonna try and argue with someone w a name like DalekEmperor on Dalek lethality lmao
The Daleks were literally defeated by pressing a few levers and buttons. Although they did some stuff the resolution at the end was rushed
Moffat ruined The Daleks, The Cybermen and The Master. Thank God Chibnall is redeeming them and the show
JustSomeRandomGuy Online how? Exactly? His master is a child, the companions are wooden, the cybermen did absolutely nothing and were of no threat to anyone and the dalek blew up a few tanks before being nothing more than a tool for the doctor to speak at for the rest of the episode
6:03 Harold Saxton and the year that never happened, never happened without the Doctor. If he died, how did the TARDIS go to the end of time for the Master to rediscover his identity? He couldn't have. Therefore, no Saxton.
I've got 5 hours to emotionally prepare myself to see the ending again, I don't think that's enough.
There is never going to be enough time to emotionally prepare yourself for the ending, ever.
God, this was depressingly satisfying.
Hearing your praises for quite possibly the greatest DW finale of all time was a joy but...you're right. This was Who at its finest.
Its peak.
Sure, there were moments of perfection to come, and I'm still a big fan to this day.
But when you look back at this era of Tennant, Tate, Davies, Gardner, old companions returning, the Torchwood and Sarah Jane Adventures crossover, Davros and the Daleks, the writing, the music, the performances, the themes, the editing, the camera work, the bloody FEEL of the show. There's nothing like it anymore, in my opinion.
This was the most consistently perfect series there's ever been, and quite possibly ever will be.
And to know that, with hindsight, is a heartbreaker.
But hey. Those feelings of euphoria, excitement, elation, emotion watching these episodes...in the words of our favourite Gallifreyean Northerner; absolutely fantastic.
I think it’s a crying shame that the show hasn’t been able to reach the emotional heights of the Davis era again. Going back and rewatching really makes you realise how much the Chibbers era is truly lacking.
Hopefully we will get that in his second go at it in series 14 😁
Idk, but I quite like the repeated talk in Turn Left. It gets the viewer back into the scene. The dystopian future is far away, whereas reality with its mundane conversations is here again, ready to be saved.
I wish the daleks were as intimidating nowadays as back then.
The last time they were badass was when the 11th doctor kicked the shit out of one 😂
@@spencerblake5713 yeah. Its just been down hill from there.
Anyone for *DoDgEmS?*
You can say the same about the Doctor too.
Steven McGuinness very true. like or hate Jodie she is not a bad ass
I remember (and still get) the real tingles of excitement when Donna said the words "Bad Wolf" at the end of Turn Left, so very exciting to see this review!
Re. The Stolen Earth: Martha's friend being "over-exterminated," helped me stay calm when that Dalek lands a shot on the Doctor. Said shot illuminates the mid-to-upper-left portion of his torso, an obviously weaker hit than the aforementioned "over-extermination."
i’ll always remember watching these episodes live, what a time to be in primary school
As a kid, the week between stolen earth and journey's end was too long
I love the Stolen Earth and Journey’s End, my only complaint is that there’s a random control console just chilling in the middle of the room they’re all in and it’s what is used to destroy all the daleks, it’s way too convenient. Turn Left I think is the best of the 3 episodes here.
Bet he’s gonna love turn left and the stolen earth, but find journeys end a bit less enjoyable
Unpopular opinion: Journey’s End > Stolen Earth.
Unpopular opinion
Turn left > SE JE
blaze • 7 years ago I agree Turn Left is great but JE is overrated
@@QuokkaCore there are Mickey and Jackie in Journey's End so yeah it is better
Turn left is my favorite out of the bunch, by far. I dont really remember much of the latter two though so i cant say much for that.
The master or Harold Saxon cannot exist at all, since the Doctor, Martha and Jack never traveled to the end of the universe.
Its part of the trickster brigade. From what I can gather it only can warp the reality of the persons memories I believe. However in the Sarah Jane Adventures The Trickster is a much powerful creature.
Best review yet see you in your next video.
I mean look at that crying face in the rain!
Matt how can you say less then an 8 for David in the rain?
@@danielkemp1081 I'd put "I COULD DO SO MUCH MORE" at The End Of Time as a 10 on that David Tennant Scale of Acting.
Vallorn and how about, the final four words he speaks, ‘I don’t wanna go’....just heart wrenching.
@@danielkemp1081 11
I’m shaking like a leaflet in anticipation
The Stolen Earth is "The Empire Strikes Back" of Doctor Who.
This really was a huge shot of nostalgia right into my old jaded veins. Being a kid back in 2008 seeing SJA, torchwood and Who all culminating into one big story rly did cement the Russel t Davis era as the best of modern who. I feel so bad for kids today growing up with what who has become, maybe I’m too old but it just feels... soulless
I want to point out the reason why Saxon is missing: The Master only came back because Martha reawakened his memories in Utopia. The Doctor died before he met Martha, meaning Martha is not present to reawaken the Master. The Master just stays as Professor Yana in this timeline
One of my favourite things about Journey's End (which I think goes unnoticed) is the moment where the Doctor, Rose and Jack leave the TARDIS in the beginning. It mirrors the first finale of the revival series.
They abandon TARDIS on a Dalek ship, surrounded by an army, having just all reunited - the same circumstances as in 'The Parting Of The Ways'. That episode is even referred to with Jack's comments about the extrapolator.
One thought I've had more recently about the ending with Donna in this episode is if the situation could have been avoidable if it had taken place before the Time War or if the stage of the Meta Crisis was still irreversible. Mainly due to how in stuff like Big Finish, Ace went on to become a Time Lord so a Human becoming a Time Lord would be possible in a controlled manner.
I can't seem to find any major Who critic on the internet who is on the same page as me about how poorly Rose was written in all of her season 4 appearances. In a nutshell, she wasn't a character anymore, she was a plot device. Her only job was to spout exposition and well...just "be there." She felt more like a cameo in her own show. I get that she's matured and all from working with Torchwood on the other side, but her character is just so completely different that it doesn't even feel like her, and these three episodes never slow down enough to show us the chemistry between Rose and the Doctor. The best we got was when they ran towards each other, but as soon as he was shot and regenerated, the episode just kind of bunched Rose in with the rest of the flock of companions, and carried on with the plot. By the time they got back to Bad Wolf Bay, I couldn't really remember why we wanted these two to be together so badly in the first place. Even the awkward look on the faces of Rose and half Human Doctor in their last shot seems so forced.
That scene with Wilf saying "it's happening again" was an insanely good performance and one of the strongest moments in the show.
The music when the Earth was being put back is the most beautiful piece of music in the whole series, in my opinion
6:31 *I know right! It's like an elegant, bombastic recap for the modern era.* Absolutely necessary given this season's finale is reliant on a series of call-backs, which the audience would have to be clued-in on.
It likewise works as a bit of a cock-tease for the following story, as nods to Torchwood and Sarah Jane make you go "Man, I wish we had a crossover episode."
There’s actually a deleted scene with cybermen in the tardis at the end, that would have led into the next doctor
What a phenomenal close this was. Couldn't help but remember it and want to weep when Jodie Whittaker's 13 runs away as a human becomes suicide bomber in her place to destroy Gallifrey all over again, proving Davros right "The man who abhors violence, never carrying a gun, but this is the truth, Doctor: you take ordinary people and you fashion them into weapons."
Chibnall did a hatchet job on Tennant's Doctor's parting achievements in particular. This ending got undermined. His delightful reappearance in Day of the Doctor to save the day with Matt Smith and John Hurt got undone by killing Gallifrey anyway for no good reason... maybe that is why I detest 13 so much. Tennant was my favourite.
I can’t beleive he didn’t talk about Martha’s 4th wall break at the end of the last episode. It’s so funny
Awesome review!! I never actually realised that Turn Left did such a fantastic job at foreshadowing The Stolen Earth storyline so I think I'm considering it as a 3 parter also now :o You're totally right! This was THE golden era and Doctor Who was very much at its best. Wonderful video! :D
Fun fact originally the Doctor was going to do a classic “what” where 2 cybermen appear in the Tardis. Presumably they would’ve been defeated in the opening scene of The Next Doctor.
10:30 gonna have to disagree with you there mate.
The reason why the bug on Donnas back isn't just because it is a 'giant beetle'', although if you saw a dog sized beetle you wouldn't be scared of it, really? I would. That particular beetle has the ability to control the flow of time and is the reason why Donna experienced everything in Turn Left so you downplaying the Beetle makes me think you weren't paying attention.
The part with the maid pointing at Donna makes perfect sense as well because it was the beetle she was pointing at.
Idk if you noticed but you can see a pointing hand in the explosion cloud during that maid pointing scene.
Harry! There's a time and a place!
But seriously, these are my favourite Doctor Who episode of all time. I've tried to move on from them, but I can't. They're perfect. The only complaints I have are so insignificantly minor, that they barely even get there heads above the emotional scenes, great acting, FANTASTIC writing and the best end of an era Doctor Who fans could wish for.
And another thing, this was the THIRD idea Russell had for series 4! As Donna wasn't originally meant to return, NONE of this was the original plan!
Thanks Journey's End. You've honestly made me who I am today.
"Apparently it's a reference to a classic Who episode" would later become the epitaph to the entire Chibnall era.
Bucket of popcorn? Check.
Fizzy drink? Check.
Doctor Who 3-D glasses? Check.
All set for Harry’s 45-minute mega mega review.
Milk still gets delivered around some villages, it’s mostly just old businesses who’ve been doing it for years
"Oh you know nothing of any human. And that will be your downfall."
That line gives me chills
No no. Keep using “badassness” it was appropriate
If you love Davis' writing so much, you might consider reviewing the short-lived series Queer as Folk. Its charming, funny, gritty and oh so rewatchable with a satisfying ending.
Wait do is this Turn Left, Stolen Earth AND Journey’s End? Please Yes!
Turn Left is one of the greatest modem Who episodes and nobody will change my mind.
I know right
...how does Rose manage anything
How did we go from incredible story telling, and amazing episodes like Midnight and Turn Left to awful episodes like Kerblam and that stupid episode with that frog...
I miss Doctor Who :(
And now it's time to eagerly await "Did It Suck: David Tennant's final episode"
Strewth, that "binary, binary, binary, binary" moment still kicks me in the guts whenever it's played. >.
I'm petrified he's gonna dislike them :o
Ever since watching this Review of Turn Left; I can't help but think about all the Series 3 events that would've happened, not just being the Master being stuck unawakened at the end of the Universe.
- The Family of Blood would've died, Nurse Redfern would've been safe along with that entire village. No death or destruction. Though Timothy would've get the heightened warrior boost from the Fobwatch.
- The Ship from 42 Would've fallen into the sun.
- The Angels would never be able to get at the Tardis leaving them stuck in that manor unless they got interested in Sally and just sent her back in time...
- Though I do wonder how The Daleks plan would've gone in 1940s Manhattan without The Doctor intervening.
- The Lazarus Project wouldn't exist due to lack of Saxon's funding as Saxon doesn't exist without The Tardis going to the end of the Universe for The Master to steal it.
- Finally, The Face Of Boe would die without being able to tell his secret... Though if the Tardis could never reach Utopia; Jack/FOB wouldn't have memory of it, therefore, no secret.
The Cult must have just sodded off somewhere else, and possibly just died there.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer True but Dalek Caan must've still emergency temporal shift away in Donna's parallel world timeline as he had to go back into the Time War to save Davros for the Reality Bomb to go off with the stars starting to go out in the Parallel World.
Maybe the whole Cult emergency temporal shifted into the Time War or the gamma Strike didn't work killing Sec, Jast and Thay with only Caan surviving.
Whoa, thinking about this too much is making my head hurt.
We already knew the Judoon were a part of the Shadow Proclamation because they read them their rights as "under the Shadow Proclamation"
It's a minor detail, but I like how the German isn't translated. Makes sense given that Martha doesn't have the TARDIS mentally translating.
It seems many have already mentioned that Harold Saxon wouldn't have been around in this alternate timeline as he was still at the end of the universe since the Doctor and co never went there in the first place. What is often overlooked though is the fact that in Voyage of the Damned, the impact of the Titanic on the Earth is said to be world-ending and an extinction level event, yet when it crashes in this what if timeline it only destroys London, so I'm never quite sure which it is, would it destroy all life on Earth or just London? I loved when Rose mentioned Tochwood when she and Donna see the gas burn off and you get that little teaser of the Torchwood theme, and even the news report about the Royal Hope Hospital mentions that not only Sarah Jane died there on the Moon, but also Luke, Maria and Clyde who were Sarah Jane's "assistants" in her spin-off (poor Mr Smith in that timeline). I would say that Mickey and Jackie's arrival at the right place and time to save Sarah Jane was a bit jarring, as they even seemed aware they were going to be shooting upon arrival, I can only guess that they sort of "see" where they are going before they get there, like when Jake and his Preachers arrived to take down the Cybermen in Tochwood Tower, and how Pete knew where to be to grab Rose in time before she was sucked into the Void. I agree that the testing sequence wasn't perfect, especially that repeated dialogue moment, the matter of their deaths seemed rather painless than you'd expect from the Daleks, more like Thanos' snap. Apparently, early screenplays in The Stolen Earth would have had numerous alien species crowding up the Shadow Proclamation, all angry that their worlds had been stolen, with the Doctor telling a low-flying Vespiform to watch it. It would have also featured some Raxacoricofallapatorians with a juvenile called "Margaret". And the Subwave Network that Harriet used to contact the Doctor's allies, she mentions it was created by the Mr Copper Foundation. Mr Copper was one of the few survivors of the Titanic who had a million pounds on his credit card, and he was supposed to appear in The Stolen Earth but apparently he was very rude to some journalists writing a Doctor Who magazine so he was not asked to return. I rewatched these three episodes recently and wondered how Rose managed to get access to military satellite networks on that laptop in the electronics store that was being raided, it just appeared to be on the screen as if just for convenience. I still love that scene when the message comes through, Jack, Sarah Jane and Martha all know what it is that is coming, and even Jack, the immortal man saying "I'm sorry...we're dead" is when you know your goose is well and truly cooked. I feel the decision to not put a next time teaser on the end of the Stolen Earth was a good choice as it would have been so deconstructed by everyone combing the few moments of footage for clues about what happens to the Doctor in this shock regeneration. I've often wondered how this story would have unfolded had he turned into Matt Smith there and then, probably not well as Donna and the TARDIS would have likely been destroyed at the heart of the Crucible. Just a few small thoughts I had about this three-parter :)
when Donna start to ''break'' mentally I cried so much, I watched this episode so manny times over the years, and I still cried the same way.
I think they dont mention Harold Saxton because The Doctor met Donna before season 3. So The Doctor never meets Martha to go to Utopia.
Dear god that segment with The Darkness had me in PIECES
Harry rating Turn Left correctly. Good Man.
People should rank these episodes on IMDb if they haven't already. They've got impressive scores but tbh they deserve to be so much higher. It's the pinnacle of the RTD era.
The explosion at the end of the turn left episode crashed my phone So good job😂
The part where wilf see the family getting taken and he says "that what they said last time " hit be so hard
I finally hear recognition to Murray Gold's brilliance. I would love to see a video on his work during his time on Doctor Who.
We’ve made it bois
For once in Donnas life, she had self worth. She felt like she was important. When he wiped her, she wasn't afraid of not knowing... she knew she would be returning back to the Donna who has absolutely nothing of worth about her. The universe will know of her and how cosmically important she is... but she will never feel that way again.
And then to top it off, when the doctor looks at her mother and gives her quite a glare "well maybe you should tell her that" when talking about how important she is... oof, it's just crisp.
finally, Harry’s doing a review on this. Been asking for this for months
I dunno if this would've worked better but ya know how Donna kind of "flicks a switch" in Journeys End and the Reality Bomb is shut down. Imagine if the Daleks had set a DNA code for the RB to destroy all life other than Dalek in the universe, then Donna uses Roses hand to re-code the Reality Bomb to Dalek, since Rose has a very small amount of dalek DNA inside her because of S1 Ep "Dalek" when she touched one. That would really bring the revival full-circle.
The Churchill oh yes had me fucking dying😭
Fun fact: at the end of journeys end there was actually going to be a “WHAT?!” Moment where the cybermen appear behind the doctor in the tardis. Really happy they cut that out
These there episodes are like Doctor Who’s Avengers Endgame they’re so good
Living in Leeds myself (Seacroft) i can say that the Nobles being sent there is a fate worse than death but you can get some decent areas