When Doctor Who Did 'Infinity War' (But Better)

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  • Опубликовано: 17 янв 2025

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  • @HarboWholmes
    @HarboWholmes  3 года назад +143

    haha um well this was a long one to make. Want to directly help me keep this thing going? Check out my Patreon!
    www.patreon.com/harbowholmes

    • @TheSuperDuperLS
      @TheSuperDuperLS 3 года назад +2

      52 like and no replys well guess im the first

    • @christmansonpunk2927
      @christmansonpunk2927 3 года назад +2

      Rose isn't for everyone and I get that, but is it really necessary to put her down? She is beautiful, kind, has so much inner strength, was able to make it across universes, WITHOUT the Doctor's help, helped to retrieve the timeline by getting through to Donna in turn left, and the list goes on for reasons why I and so many others love her but you get my drift. I think it's perfectly cool for you to love Martha and she deserves the love but knowing two languages doesn't make anyone better than anyone else. I know three, does that mean I'm the greatest person in the world according to your criterion? Didn't think so. Anyways, your videos are awesome and I love them you do such amazing work and I wish you the best

    • @mikeytompkins8114
      @mikeytompkins8114 2 года назад

      Hey is there any video you have explaining why you dont like rose? I'm just intrigued to be honest 😂

    • @night3096
      @night3096 2 года назад

      There is a universe somewhere that the doctor didn't stop the reality bomb and it's destroying all reality

    • @mattthesilent777RED
      @mattthesilent777RED Год назад

      I did a what if where Rose got shot by the Dalek instead of Ten

  • @eddiefenton6309
    @eddiefenton6309 3 года назад +2775

    No one ever really mentions that Rose is living with a version of the Doctor who occasionally talks like Donna

    • @waxdrips
      @waxdrips 3 года назад +485

      Meta Crisis Doctor starts to write a paper after becoming a PHYSICS, physics, physics teacher and utters the line:
      “best temp in Chiswick 100 words per minute “

    • @oliverfarlow6042
      @oliverfarlow6042 3 года назад +241

      you just want 'to mate' ?!?!?1

    • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
      @TheSmart-CasualGamer 3 года назад +154

      Right, I've seen this episode around a dozen times. That has NEVER occurred to me.

    • @creed8712
      @creed8712 3 года назад +92

      @@oliverfarlow6042 a mate. A MATE!

    • @oliverfarlow6042
      @oliverfarlow6042 3 года назад +110

      @@creed8712 im not mating with you sunshine

  • @colmcille4388
    @colmcille4388 3 года назад +1180

    You know it's scary when a man who can't die says "I'm sorry, we're dead"

    • @WeLhOOse
      @WeLhOOse 2 года назад +23

      I’ve always thought, what would’ve happened to Jack had he been caught in the testing of the reality bomb? He’s a fixed point in time but then davros says that not even time itself can escape, or something like that. It’s a question I’ll probably be asking till the day I die and I’m not sure if I really want an answer 😅

    • @wayneigoe6722
      @wayneigoe6722 2 года назад +13

      @@WeLhOOse To be fair, this is a guy who had to wait until the rest of the world became immortal just to finally feel what its like to die again... I would imagine it'd probably be like when Abbadon absorbed his lives until it died. He'd probably be just be stuck there in space and perpetually die and come back until something happens to come by and pick his body up.

    • @frostwing1899
      @frostwing1899 2 года назад +6

      @@WeLhOOseit doesn’t kill anyone it just removes them from existence

    • @WeLhOOse
      @WeLhOOse 2 года назад

      @@frostwing1899 removing them from existence is killing them. Their brain no longer functions because it no longer exists = death

    • @frostwing1899
      @frostwing1899 2 года назад +9

      @@WeLhOOse you can’t be alive or dead if you aren’t real.

  • @alexpotts6520
    @alexpotts6520 3 года назад +633

    Honestly the best thing about this entire two-parter is Harriet Jones. In just three stories she got one of the greatest character arcs of anyone in the Whoniverse.

    • @jaysinha0
      @jaysinha0 2 года назад +70

      "We know who you are".

    • @BizarreFae
      @BizarreFae Год назад +43

      Harriet Jones grows so much in those 3 episodes, from no power but desire for change, to having all of the power but following the status quo, to finally taking charge of her own power as THE Harriet Jones and saves the entire world.
      It's such a beautiful arc and I would honestly die for a mini series that's simply about the trials and tribulations of chasing her career as a plucky young MP for Flydale North and the impact of her interactions with the Doctor on WHY she is interested in Politics.

    • @megatron8449
      @megatron8449 Год назад +6

      Isn't she confirmed by RTD to have survived?

    • @jackstuhley1745
      @jackstuhley1745 10 месяцев назад +4

      @@megatron8449 yes, but we are gonna ignore that because its dumb

    • @EmperorJ123
      @EmperorJ123 9 месяцев назад

      Aye, her redemption and sense showing how the Dr may not always intervene in a good way.

  • @pvpcake
    @pvpcake 3 года назад +741

    46:00 the most painful part of donna's departure for me is the doctor telling her once more that he's leaving, only for her to give him the cold shoulder. the "yeah, cya" just kills me after watching all of series 4 and how good they are for eachother

    • @deathsheir2035
      @deathsheir2035 3 года назад +70

      Donna is best companion. Unlike Rose and Martha, who fell in love with the Doctor, Donna and Doctor was more "sibling" in their relationship, and that made it oh so much better of a companionship. So just thinking about her departure gets me choked up.

    • @BobzeMovie
      @BobzeMovie Год назад +4

      I can imagine the new season was pretty cathartic then haha

  • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
    @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 3 года назад +953

    The fact that Harbo isn't a TenRose fan but can still appreciate the specialness of their reunion is chef's kiss. 💗

    • @alicebethell8069
      @alicebethell8069 3 года назад +56

      It's so emotional, you can't NOT get at least a little choked up

    • @stevenhale2935
      @stevenhale2935 3 года назад +45

      Yes but that doesn't mean we shouldn't still try to convert him

    • @PonderingPerson
      @PonderingPerson 3 года назад +23

      I dislike Rose tbh

    • @stevenhale2935
      @stevenhale2935 3 года назад +14

      @@PonderingPerson 😪

    • @sirtudor7554
      @sirtudor7554 3 года назад +8

      @@PonderingPerson same

  • @Squantle
    @Squantle 3 года назад +349

    Noel Clarke and Freema Agyeman never showing up in Torchwood after this two-parter is one of the greatest tragedies of the modern world.

    • @hollylaufeyson6646
      @hollylaufeyson6646 3 года назад +13

      I still feel bitter about that. It would have been awesome.

    • @julieeverett7442
      @julieeverett7442 3 года назад +11

      @@hollylaufeyson6646 martha does in big finish, its great fun!

    • @lexezlao
      @lexezlao 3 года назад +12

      specially since the small chemestry with mickey and jack in boom town was pretty funny

    • @mrlego611
      @mrlego611 3 года назад +8

      I mean, Martha already did show up in Torchwood in series 2!

  • @adventurekitty1016
    @adventurekitty1016 3 года назад +204

    I’m just now realizing these episodes are what 11 was talking about with Amy in Victory of The Daleks. “Planets in the sky, you don’t forget that. Amy. Tell me you remember the Daleks.”

    • @bignaaasty5096
      @bignaaasty5096 3 года назад +5

      Yea did they ever explain that? Was confused why none of that massive invasion events were never mentioned or remembered.

    • @adventurekitty1016
      @adventurekitty1016 3 года назад +32

      @@bignaaasty5096 The crack(The crack in Amy's wall) in space and time had something to do with it.

    • @bignaaasty5096
      @bignaaasty5096 3 года назад +5

      @@adventurekitty1016 ehh that's a little too wishy washy "timey wimey" for my taste.

    • @1Xaria
      @1Xaria 3 года назад +32

      @@bignaaasty5096 It was the crack. Remember when it took Rory and it was like he never existed? It was explained that just being in proximity of the crack in her house for so long, it took a lot of her life from her and she never even knew, like Rory. For instance, she couldn't remember her parents either. It was a big house that only she lived in and because of the nature of the rift, she never even questioned it. That's why she couldn't remember other things like the planets in the sky.

    • @bignaaasty5096
      @bignaaasty5096 3 года назад +11

      @@1Xaria Yea but those were massive events that just happened that would shape the planet and society as a whole. You'd probably hear people talking about it all the time especially since it had just happened. It's really just not explained well at all. Also Rory didn't remember the planets in the sky either. He didn't live in the house.

  • @okanidug6035
    @okanidug6035 3 года назад +531

    Like everything except for the Rose hate. Everyone ignores while talking about companion achievements, Rose managed to find a way back to the main universe without the help of the Doctor. She learned a lot from him and become an important figure of Torchwood. She managed to use Tardis so Donna can change the timelines. That is a far bigger achievement than any other companion did because there were no outside help or supernatural powers. She did that herself

    • @user-is7xs1mr9y
      @user-is7xs1mr9y 3 года назад +42

      I think the hate comes from her attitude in season 2.

    • @christmansonpunk2927
      @christmansonpunk2927 3 года назад +33

      thank you Okan iDUG! I'd say all of that is a way bigger achievement than knowing two languages

    • @The_Mighty_Fiction
      @The_Mighty_Fiction 2 года назад +27

      Because she's the symptom of where the actual rot started. For one thing, she was the original 'Princess Destiny Sassypants' template of the girl who was always meant to set foot in the TARDIS from the moment she was born and turn into a plot-resolving deus ex machina just in time for the finale. I get that the reboot didn't want girls who are just screaming herobait that sprain their ankles in a stiff breeze anymore but Rose, Donna, Clara, they all ended up playing _ridiculously_ significant parts in the Doctor's life instead of being just adventurous girls of character and bravery joining him on his adventures. This got old _very_ quickly and it started with Rose.
      Secondly, it was where Davies dialled up the Doctor-Companion romance angle to 11. The Companions are not supposed to be the Doctor's lovers. They're his family. He's the dad or the big brother or the uncle, _not_ the lover (and frankly, I'm sick and tired of URT in sci-fi, so I found Donna very refreshing... until they brought Rose back again like a bad smell for her last three episodes and actually _crapped out a whole new Doctor_ for her happy ending).
      All of this actually retroscrewed Doc-13. Ironically, it would've been easier to have a female Doctor in the classic era when the character was still relatively sexless. As it is, Davies 'masculinized' the character like this and just made the problems a later female Doctor would face even worse, particularly when Moffat fell back on his B-list sitcom background and piled years of useless comic relief males and bloke jokes on top of that.
      My personal favorite of the new era has been Martha Jones. It's a shame she only got the one year. She was everything you would hope for from a good Companion, smart, brave, compassionate, respectful (the scene where she gently encourages the Doctor to remember his lost home is a nice moment ), supportive without dragging on the spotlight and she actually _worked_ for the resolution of her story. There was no magic swirly stuff that turned her into a Time Goddess, no cracks in reality that let her 'remember' the Doctor back to life. No, she walked a desolate Earth through wind, sleet, and snow avoiding flying murder-bots for a _year_ to spread the Doctor's story and give him that brief moment he needed to turn the tables. Martha was kickass. Granted, I could've lived without the Doctor crush they saddled her with but ... whaddaya gonna do? 🤷‍♂ Apparently, _every_ single straight girl in the show had to carry a chick-boner for Tennant.
      Matter of fact, I'd say that season was the best overall of the reboot era, meaning how it hung together as a whole object. Great new Companion, the story arc was solid, the Professor Yana twist was excellent, return of a great classic villain and the resolution felt earned.

    • @Kez_DXX
      @Kez_DXX 2 года назад +17

      @@The_Mighty_Fiction I'll say this about the thirteenth doctor: My gripe isn't that the Doctor became a *she* but rather that I think it is a missed opportunity. It's my own bias but when I heard "the Doctor is gonna be female!", my thought is "Jenny gonna be on the show again? Wonderful!"
      She represents a missed opportunity in my opinion. The Doctor is hundreds or even thousands of years old (I've been told 12th Doctor Capaldi reached the billions in age) so there can be a sense that he/she knows it all, has seen it all and can come up with the right answer for whatever threat appears that week. If Jenny were to take the stage, carry on in the Doctor's footsteps and explore time and space from a fresh perspective where she doesn't have all the answers and everything is new... I'm not making my point as eloquently as I did when I first made this gripe but the Doctor's daughter is out there and I still hold onto some hope that she'll be seen again even if Georgia isn't playing the role.

    • @kyuminnie137
      @kyuminnie137 2 года назад +9

      @@The_Mighty_Fiction literally no one ask about your opinion. The fact that you hate so passionately a fictional character lmao

  • @revs7837
    @revs7837 3 года назад +789

    Donna's fate is one of the worst imo. Ok she lived but she forgot all those wonderful things she did with the doctor.

    • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
      @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 3 года назад +62

      To this day I can't re-watch that scene because it's such a heart-breaking way for her to exit. 😔

    • @marinettedorien8236
      @marinettedorien8236 3 года назад +16

      Same with Jamie and Zoe, they can remember wanting him one but not after

    • @TheAstip
      @TheAstip 3 года назад +76

      It's not just that she forgot, it's that the time she spent with the doctor built up her self worth and now she's back to thinking the worst of herself

    • @t.m.carter4171
      @t.m.carter4171 3 года назад +4

      @@marinettedorien8236 Don't remind me! ;_;

    • @joshconnorr
      @joshconnorr 3 года назад +4

      And if she remembers she will explode!

  • @jessicaable5095
    @jessicaable5095 3 года назад +214

    I like to believe that the Doctor left a little hope for the audience concerning Donna. He called out Silvia. He pointed out one of the main sources of Donna's dismal view of her own self worth, her own mother. When we see the family again I get the feeling she's a lot more accepting of her daughter. Now that she knows who she truly is and who she has been, I like to think that she encourages her to be that again.

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 3 года назад +2

      Nothing is less Empowering than all
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    • @levi_ackerman_119
      @levi_ackerman_119 2 года назад +14

      … *confusion ^*

    • @bsteven885
      @bsteven885 2 года назад +12

      @Jessica Able, I think your view was ultimately shown at the conclusion of the 2009 specials -- apparently Donna gained enough sense of self-worth to find someone to love and marry.

    • @oxcare5
      @oxcare5 2 года назад +7

      @@bsteven885 but the big question remains unanswered: Did Donna have pockets in her wedding dress?

    • @jonarbuckle778
      @jonarbuckle778 2 года назад +2

      @@oxcare5 Probably not, do you not remember where she stashed that lottery ticket? It certainly wasn't in any pockets...

  • @Tharries
    @Tharries 3 года назад +262

    OG's will remember the title was originally: "The Ultimate Doctor Who Series Finale".

    • @HarboWholmes
      @HarboWholmes  3 года назад +158

      shh the laws of titles belong to me and I WILL retitle them

    • @Tharries
      @Tharries 3 года назад +44

      @@HarboWholmes Fine you can have titles if I can have leaks.

    • @Nuskrad
      @Nuskrad 3 года назад +4

      so i'm not going mad!

    • @mannofdober873
      @mannofdober873 3 года назад +25

      @@HarboWholmes I don't care who you are. The Title Lord Victorious is wrong!

    • @TechnicalTatertot
      @TechnicalTatertot 3 года назад +3

      He may have remembered big bang 2. Though it's a close fight so I can't wait to see his opinion of big bang 2.

  • @lotemylife3006
    @lotemylife3006 2 года назад +106

    One thing I need to add about the scenes where Martha is in Germany: That is some of THE best German I have ever heard characters speak in non-German productions.
    For example in TeenWolf Season 6, even I as a German can't understand what they are supposed to be saying and here they speak flawless German with just the tiniest accent and I absolutely love this.
    And I love how the old German lady has just a slight German accent while speaking English and not that horrible blatantly over the top German accent
    (that I unfortunately had to listen to every time in English class because most Germans really are that bad at speaking English)

    • @adsfornothing3146
      @adsfornothing3146 Год назад +11

      Amirite? When she ended up in Germany and the Daleks started speaking German I was like oh no this is gonna be cursed, but Martha's German is totally fine with a bit of an accent. The old lady seemed a bit weird to me because she spoke German with a bit of an English accent and English with a bit of a German one, but generally I thought they did a great job, same with the German woman in Waters of Mars and the radio message in The Eleventh Hour.

  • @RoyalKingOliver
    @RoyalKingOliver 3 года назад +381

    Take a shot every time Harbo takes a jab at Roses character.

  • @kibble24
    @kibble24 3 года назад +125

    I honestly kind of liked the fact that Donna saved the day because she's always overlooked and so I viewed it as Davros not seeing her as a threat and that being his downfall. But that's just me

    • @xaoc6084
      @xaoc6084 2 года назад +16

      Also calls back to what Harriet Jones said, they don’t understand humans and that would always be their downfall. Donna’s creativity and tenacity mixed with time lord genius was something that Davros never even considered.

  • @igirisucosplay3084
    @igirisucosplay3084 2 года назад +56

    I love how you can see the fear in ianto's eyes at 'exterminate' because it reminds you of the last time torchwood encountered them, at the battle of Canary Wharf. He was there, he was one of a handful of survivors, who dragged his partially converted cyber-girlfriend from the aftermath and fought his way into three to attempt to save her. He probably head or possibly even saw the massacre of his colleagues as the battle raged. He was Yvonne's PA it's amazing he wasn't there when the cybermen arrived or the daleks came out of the sphere. He has trauma from the battle that's barely touched at past the cyberwoman episode of torchwood.
    his experience at Canary Wharf is also why he tells gwen that the guns won't work. he knowns they wont from experience

    • @WeLhOOse
      @WeLhOOse 2 года назад +2

      @@jameshudson395 was there really any need for that? He’s making valid points

    • @WeLhOOse
      @WeLhOOse 2 года назад

      @@jameshudson395 you’ve got the time and energy to read what he put and complain bout it “matey”. Use your time more productively instead of tearing down other people because of something you don’t agree with. It’s pathetic and sad

    • @igirisucosplay3084
      @igirisucosplay3084 Год назад +1

      @@tvguy61 he doesn’t appear in the episode but from Torchwood s1 ep 4 CyberWoman we know he was there that day cos he pulled lisa (his half converted girlfriend) out of the building in the immediate aftermath

  • @madmattman5675
    @madmattman5675 2 года назад +84

    The way I make sense of the "That button there" scene is that Donna programs the button herself, rather than having a random 'this breaks everything' button already sat there 🙂

    • @oxcare5
      @oxcare5 2 года назад +9

      That's honestly the way I thought it was meant to be

    • @WeLhOOse
      @WeLhOOse 2 года назад +10

      I always saw it as davros was the mastermind behind the Daleks, and while he may not have personally built the crucible, he more than likely had a major hand in designing it. Given his previous track record with butting heads with the daleks and being offed by them more than once (to my memory), it would make sense that he snuck that console into the design specs in case he needed to take control, without the daleks ever being the wiser, even sneaking on those rotators that were clearly built to fit the plunger replacers to make it look like it was made for the daleks also. Both seem like perfectly plausible explanations for it

    • @alfredjohnson2647
      @alfredjohnson2647 11 месяцев назад +1

      'That button there' can work well. 'Family of Blood' ended a bit like that, with the Doctor explaining why it was important with his characteristic technobabble. Donna did that a little bit. When it's done poorly, it's the Eleventh Doctor black cubes episode.

    • @tzarg
      @tzarg 9 месяцев назад

      same way to explain why in the end of the world they just have a "turn off shields permanently" button lying around

  • @erikalieben5476
    @erikalieben5476 3 года назад +213

    I reckon if Christopher Eccleston hadn't fallen out with the show, the plan would have been to have 9 come in, rescue Donna and then attack Davros. The whole infinity war thing of coming together was just missing one thing and that was him. Still, it was an absolutely amazing story anyway and an incredible series finale.

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 3 года назад +1

      Nothing is less Empowering than all
      of this Modern Wokeness.

    • @HanksClips.
      @HanksClips. 3 года назад +12

      That would had ruined everything it shouldn’t be a multi doctor story

    • @sam_4481
      @sam_4481 3 года назад +27

      @@slevinchannel7589 lol what has "modern wokeness" got to do with this

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 3 года назад +8

      @@sam_4481 Wel, it destroys modern Doctor Who and changs the Film Industry for the Worse, so maybe thats 'something'?

    • @sam_4481
      @sam_4481 3 года назад +38

      @@slevinchannel7589 maybe you think it changes it "for the worse" but in reality all it does is help to reflect the real world. boohoo gay people exist boohoo women can be main characters. cry about it.

  • @gadgez_
    @gadgez_ 3 года назад +119

    Davros: I'm going to annihilate the entire universe and everything in it.
    Also Davros: wtf bro you're the Destroyer of Worlds

    • @slevinchannel7589
      @slevinchannel7589 3 года назад +2

      Nothing is less Empowering than all
      of this Modern Wokeness.
      I implore everyone who's still sane to share
      some Knowledge with others,
      even if you may come across as a bit spammy:
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      and i hope you correct Fans who say Doctor Who is now better than everrr.

    • @sam_4481
      @sam_4481 3 года назад

      @@slevinchannel7589 virgin

    • @yanczy.21
      @yanczy.21 10 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@slevinchannel7589 where did bro spawn from

    • @connorscorner443
      @connorscorner443 7 месяцев назад +1

      The way I always saw it was Davros knew and accepted who he was while the doctor was in denial

    • @RedTail1-1
      @RedTail1-1 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@slevinchannel7589"correct fans who say newer is better" this is why no one wants to be part of the Doctor Who fandom. Y'all are so petty and pathetic. Can't just like what you like about it you all have to "prove" that what you like is the only thing anyone should like. Especially the guy making these videos. He's the epitome of what people think of when they think of a Doctor Who fan and it's just sad. If he doesn't like it no one should, and he'll try and tell you why you're wrong for having your own opinion about the show. I don't know why I keep forgetting and watching another video about Doctor Who because it's always one of his videos and it's always this same crap.
      Hopefully you all grow up one day.

  • @blobfish5730
    @blobfish5730 3 года назад +204

    I feel like this finale is best on first watch if you're going through the show in chronological order, just so you can appreciate all the characters and the arc. Watching it out of order and standalone, it just feels like all spectacle and not a huge amount of depth.

    • @fallonmills8651
      @fallonmills8651 3 года назад +41

      You could say that you have to go through the Journey to reach it's End

    • @kbg12ila
      @kbg12ila 3 года назад +5

      That's true. Doctor who is sometimes an episodic show where each episode requires a beginning and an end and everything a story needs in between but sometimes it's a serialised show and with most of the finales in RTDs era the finales are the pay off to all the build up from before. So the depth of this story is about the characters and everything that was built since the first series. I don't think it requires the amount of depth something like midnight or silence in the library did and I don't think its a problem that it requires you to watch the series in chronological order to be enjoyable. That's what's so great about modern who. It's not always about stand alone stories you can pop out of order. You can have that and you can also have a serialised drama to enjoy in chronological order.

    • @samanthamcdowell44
      @samanthamcdowell44 Год назад +1

      You have to watch Turn Left all the way to journey's end. It is the closing of an Era, can't be split up. Have lots of tissues! Amazing!

    • @samanthamcdowell44
      @samanthamcdowell44 Год назад

      It's one or two "fluff" ( I used that word very loosely) episodes then basically a two episodes movie that will have you sobbing.

  • @class87fan54
    @class87fan54 3 года назад +194

    Definitely Modern Who's best series finale. You really get the sense that this is the ultimate fight. And of course, we've got a gathering of practically everyone from the RTD-era coming together in this huge emergency. None of the Moffat-era finales ever came close to topping the scale and stakes of this story. Sadly, it marks the beginning of the end of the golden age of Modern Doctor Who.

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 3 года назад +11

      No, this is just filler fanservice.

    • @michaelm5542
      @michaelm5542 3 года назад +10

      But is the scale the most important thing? WEAT and TDF are completely different animals but pull off a similar quality with personal stakes.

    • @larsswig912
      @larsswig912 3 года назад +13

      the resolution was way too weak. Moffat knew how to end stories and arcs without using deus ex machinas like RTD did. it was my least favourite part about RTD's otherwise amazing writing.

    • @JaneSt.Valentine
      @JaneSt.Valentine 3 года назад +24

      @@larsswig912 I'm sorry, when did Moffat NOT use deus ex machinas'????

    • @cja5612
      @cja5612 3 года назад +5

      @@JaneSt.Valentine Most of the episodes he has written in Doctor Who. Don't let RTD glorification stop fair judgement.

  • @DanTheMan2150AD
    @DanTheMan2150AD 3 года назад +410

    Less than 10 seconds in and we have a Chibnall joke. I’ve got a good feeling about this.

    • @georgesears2666
      @georgesears2666 3 года назад +43

      @The Reverse It is rather heart-warming to see how 90+% of the fans see the mess he has made.

    • @justsomerandomguyonline1144
      @justsomerandomguyonline1144 3 года назад +1

      Chibnall is still better than Moffat though

    • @ionthegreat13
      @ionthegreat13 3 года назад +5

      How is your comment 20 hours ago if the video has only been up for 36 minutes.

    • @kaykutcher2103
      @kaykutcher2103 3 года назад +4

      @@ionthegreat13 Patreon.

    • @voja42
      @voja42 3 года назад +19

      @@justsomerandomguyonline1144 *"The urge to kill is too strong"*

  • @Reirek
    @Reirek 3 года назад +50

    I really love how Caan becomes essentially the dalek version of the Doctor with how he claims ‘no more’. While we don’t really get a major reaction it feels similar to the doctors reaction to dalek sec becoming human, how he actually can appreciate them for their actions despite being dalek

  • @frazzlesreviews5379
    @frazzlesreviews5379 3 года назад +52

    One thing I find really underrated about this finale is the threat. Some people often just think of this as another universe ending finale threat but it’s incredible how much ground work was done to make it even bigger with the concept of parallel universes coming into play again and for the first and so far only time the entire multiverse is at threat which I find incredibly tense and emblematic of Russell’s brilliant foresight as it wasn’t just pulled out of nowhere as the concept of a multiverse has been present in quite a few Russel stories.

    • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
      @TheSmart-CasualGamer 3 года назад +6

      It's even MORE than the multiverse! It's all of REALITY! Not just every possible universe, of every possible multiverse, but every dimension as well! It's EVERYTHING!

  • @toast99bubbles
    @toast99bubbles 3 года назад +79

    The stuff you mention about Harriet Jones and Francine being spoiled is really common in US TV shows. Multiple times I've watched shows like Arrow, where it shows names of actors who play well known characters, like John Barrowman, straight after the opening titles bit, spoiling what would have otherwise been a surprise appearance of his character. It bugs me so much when shows spoil character reveals in that way.

    • @samkirkby7010
      @samkirkby7010 3 года назад +23

      Another one is when they show a character we haven’t seen in ages in the ‘previously on’ section, like mmmm let me guess why you showed us that

    • @toast99bubbles
      @toast99bubbles 3 года назад +3

      @@samkirkby7010 Yeah, that's a big spoiler for the episode too.

    • @WeLhOOse
      @WeLhOOse 2 года назад

      Jesus, it’s taken me a fucking age to remember who both Francine and Jenny (Jenny from another comment) were. I’ve literally just rewatched series 1 through 7 as well. I need to get some more sleep man 😂

    • @WeLhOOse
      @WeLhOOse 2 года назад +1

      Also yeah, I somewhat agree. “Spoilers” don’t really bother me that much, I watched both infinity war and end game knowing basically the full plots, but I can perfectly understand why they piss people off. The one time I can remember where something like that was done really well was in the walking dead when Nicholas shot himself and him and Glenn fell into the hoard of walkers, Steven Yuen’s name wasn’t shown in the credits for the next few episodes, matched with what looked like Glenn being ripped apart when they fell when it was actually Nicholas’s dead body, really gave the impression he had died, and then he showed up without any indication prior that he would do

    • @toast99bubbles
      @toast99bubbles 2 года назад

      @@WeLhOOse I remember that specific example. That was around the point I started to stop watching The Walking Dead just because of it getting a biy samey. Although 6 months later I saw people posting within minutes of aj episode ending that Glenn had died and these were people I'd seen before complaining when people spoiled episodes a week after they aired. Seemed quite ridiculous that they themselves would do the sane.

  • @eliciahasl
    @eliciahasl 3 года назад +80

    I think a possible reason for why captain jack Harkness didn't have to have such a dramatic revival in this episode is because he didn't for the others he just chose to. He's such a dramatic character and likes attention so he did it mostly for show in previous episodes but now he knows he has to stay secretive so he doesn't.

    • @Cheesusful
      @Cheesusful Год назад

      Came here to say this, happy to see someone else got there too :) "eurgrhgghggh I'm allive, someone give me a kiss"

  • @frde2190
    @frde2190 3 года назад +65

    This finale is up there with the Doctor Falls as one of the best finales ever. It felt so climactic.

  • @johngreen8344
    @johngreen8344 3 года назад +36

    Doctor: Don't forget me.
    Sarah Jane: I don't think anyone could forget you.
    Donna: Don't make me go back.

  • @cardsfanboy
    @cardsfanboy 3 года назад +45

    The thing about the 'button' to turn off the reality bomb, is that I never assumed it existed there originally, that we just missed the Donna/Doctor hacking the system and more or less turning this button (which could have originally been just designed so that Davros could get someone to clean out his piss pot) into a button that turned off the reality bomb etc... I always thought it was weird that people thought this thing existed there, and not that Donna more or less had reprogrammed it before popping into the scene.
    I just assumed that entire scene was another one of those TV/movie hackers scene where the hacker is able to just reprogram anything, simply because they are connected to the network.

    • @jawstrock2215
      @jawstrock2215 2 года назад +6

      I like to think Dalek Khan/Caan put it there just there just to stop the Dalek at their peak.

  • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
    @TheSmart-CasualGamer 3 года назад +59

    I'm replacing my original comment with this as I feel it's worth saying. My explanation for the "Crucible Manipulation Panel in the basement" that Donna uses to destroy the Daleks was put there by Dalek Caan. He'd been manipulating time causing the Doctor and Donna to become intertwined with eachother, so it's likely he vaguely knew how the problem would be resolved by being able to see the future, so made sure that would happen. He was seen as a mad old seer by the Daleks, so it's likely that they'd listen to his mad ramblings as some prophecy that needed to be fulfilled, so they'd follow his instructions. Including ones on how to design the crucible, including the computer bank in the Crucible's basement.

    • @egosomnio
      @egosomnio 3 года назад +14

      My thoughts exactly. Dalek Caan had that console put there specifically for the Doctor-Donna to use, no coincidence involved. He engineered the entire situation with the Doctor and all of the companions specifically to get the end result that happened, so of course it was all just part of the plan.

    • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
      @TheSmart-CasualGamer 3 года назад +7

      @@egosomnio Thank Christ other people came to the same conclusion.

  • @LexiTheLeo
    @LexiTheLeo 3 года назад +28

    I’ll never forget being 11 sitting with my friends seeing the 10th doctor going to regenerate and believing hed gone and we all jumped up screaming “NOOOOOO” so much nostalgia in this two part!!

  • @AiRsTrIkExXzZ
    @AiRsTrIkExXzZ 3 года назад +101

    I’m not sure if this was intentional but did anyone notice how near the end of journey’s end the people who went to stay at Pete’s world they wear blue clothes and the people who go back to the original world wear brown. It’s very weird

    • @TheRealUnkn0wn_289
      @TheRealUnkn0wn_289 3 года назад +8

      Yeah never noticed that before, but you're right, symbolisms maybe?

    • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
      @TheSmart-CasualGamer 3 года назад +2

      Captain Jack and Martha don't wear brown. Martha is wearing black and Jack is wearing grey, same as always.

    • @bsteven885
      @bsteven885 2 года назад +1

      I noticed specifically that Rose and the Meta-Crisis Doctor both color-coordinated with dark blue 💙 suits and wine (or would you call it magenta 💜) tops.

  • @Dr3Mc3Ninja
    @Dr3Mc3Ninja 3 года назад +16

    26:23 I think that the gasping for air could be down to him not expecting to be killed. In this instance, he provoked them to kill him. In Torchwood, he gets shot in the head, but he silently gets up again. He saw it coming. Or, it could be that they usually make a big deal of him coming back to life in DW, so that young viewers truly understood that he died and wasn't just knocked out.
    RTD Doctor Who is the peak.

    • @WeLhOOse
      @WeLhOOse 2 года назад +2

      I don’t know mate, we’ve seen him a few times in torchwood expect to be killed but every time he comes back gasping for air. The only other exception to this being when Suzie shot him in the first episode, and I guess when he came back after the 456 virus, but there was still a little gasp even then

  • @banjopiggottwright1802
    @banjopiggottwright1802 3 года назад +37

    I personally think that Stolen Earth and Journey's End is my personal favourite Doctor Who two-part finale as it incorporates everything I love about the expanded universe and putting it onto the main stage, in a respectful and caring way.
    Not to mention that the story, music, acting and plot threads are all fantastic, despite some small, but totally forgiveable narrative hiccups here and there.

    • @user-is7xs1mr9y
      @user-is7xs1mr9y 3 года назад +3

      And my girl Martha looking directly at the camera lol.

    • @mackielunkey2205
      @mackielunkey2205 2 года назад

      While I'm not the biggest fan of the two-parter finale, it's honestly much better than the finale before it.

  • @nightowl8477
    @nightowl8477 3 года назад +43

    The links between the Metacrisis Doctor and 9 are pretty interesting. It's safe to assume that before meeting Rose, faced with the Coward or Killer dilemma, he'd have opted for Killer. But to have the Doctor himself acknowledge that makes The Parting of the Ways hit harder.

  • @canadian__ninja
    @canadian__ninja 2 года назад +13

    The acting of Tennent during the ending, when everyone is happy and excited about their new lives while he knows the Donna he travelled with is dead but she doesn't know it. It's just... perfect.

  • @JoesAnimationHub
    @JoesAnimationHub 3 года назад +40

    my fave new series episode, I remember gushing when Sarah Jane and Davros came face to face once more... this was RTD's magnum opus and will always be the new era's magnum opus.

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 3 года назад +3

      No, that is Day of the Doctor.

    • @danm9006
      @danm9006 2 года назад

      I also loved Sarah and Davros interacting again across the centuries. "That face...."

  • @lucypreece7581
    @lucypreece7581 3 года назад +18

    This video is the best early birthday present I could get. I turn 23 tomorrow. Thanks Harbo xx I love this finale a lot. So many emotions. Hope, triumph, despair, heartbreak. It is the perfect end to a near perfect series. If Tennant had left hear, he would have been leaving on a high.

  • @Domisbeast
    @Domisbeast 3 года назад +31

    I swear davros says "this is my final victory" about 3 times in this episode

    • @richardbourton4523
      @richardbourton4523 3 года назад +9

      It’s like he thought the bomb would detonate earlier and made a big declaration and then awkwardly realised he had longer to wait than he thought. The supreme Dalek just moved the goalposts for sh**s and giggles to mess with him.

  • @mrgreeny906
    @mrgreeny906 3 года назад +18

    I think the best thing I like about Caan in this story is how you can hear and feel the insanity in it’s voice. I feel like Caan’s arc really came to fruition in this story because of this. Another big praise for Nick Briggs for being able to voice this insane Dalek.

  • @TheGamingCrow
    @TheGamingCrow 3 года назад +54

    28:48 I have to disagree there. Martha isn't "better" than Rose. Keep in mind, when the Doctor picked up Rose, she was just a teenager. She still lived at her mothers home, starting her career with jobs. Martha, on the other hand, was a full accomplished medical Doctor, when *the* Doctor met her the first time. So she is definitely bilingual (when you study medicine, you learn latin in the process). When you understand both, latin and english, it isn't a big step to learn italian and pronounce (not yet understand) german properly. German and Yiddish are very similiar, heading for another language in the process. I think you got the idea by now. Martha isn't "better" than Rose, she is just much more experienced and better educated (means no offence to Rose).

    • @christmansonpunk2927
      @christmansonpunk2927 3 года назад +15

      Yes,absolutely. They're both awesome, but one isn't better than the other, they just have different upbringings and experiences

    • @GuineaPigEveryday
      @GuineaPigEveryday 2 года назад +4

      i think it was just him kinda being sarchastic cuz he hates Rose, but also studying Latin doesn't make it that easy to know German, and anyways, bilingual is not necessarily 'better' or 'smarter' but when you compare Martha and Rose without the doctor, Martha is a determined, accomplished, intelligent companion, who was kinda underwritten in later episodes but made a strong introduction in Smith and Jones. I think they're both awesome, and Rose certainly ended up kicking much more ass by literally becoming a god and destroying the dalek's multiple times. Also I don't hate her but i can understand this guy since she is quite overrated and does act a tad brattish in season 2

    • @WeLhOOse
      @WeLhOOse 2 года назад +1

      Ah, but she wasn’t a full accomplished medical doctor though was she. She still had exams and the rest of medical school to go through when they met, as she mentions a few times in series 3

  • @Lovelili3573
    @Lovelili3573 3 года назад +64

    “Yeah Rose, you were replaced with someone better. Take that.”
    I think we can all agree Martha is better but gosh Harbo really put all his energy into roasting Rose today!

    • @user-is7xs1mr9y
      @user-is7xs1mr9y 3 года назад +2

      He really came for her lol.

    • @ey9198
      @ey9198 2 года назад +3

      Yes I loved every bit of it 👌

    • @WeLhOOse
      @WeLhOOse 2 года назад +2

      The irony of that is that, even though I agree with harbo, I’m not overly fond of Martha either, or specifically during series 3. Don’t know what it is about her but I just didn’t find myself being that emotionally attached to her character. I liked rose with 9 but not with 10 and for the same reasons. For me Donna was the best of Tenant’s companions, honourable mentions going to Jack and Mickey also.

  • @tom1258963
    @tom1258963 11 месяцев назад +6

    Nobody appreciates how great actress is billie. She is so authentic and I can believe any word she says. Honestly one of my favourite companions

  • @Josh-ze6xo
    @Josh-ze6xo 3 года назад +66

    here before the BBC tries to steal your money again.

  • @Brandon.Reacts
    @Brandon.Reacts 3 года назад +44

    I always liked Rose. Might've helped I was 10 and had a massive crush on Billie Piper, but that's not the point...

    • @user-is7xs1mr9y
      @user-is7xs1mr9y 3 года назад +4

      I like her overall, but I recognize she can be horrible sometimes. And yeah, Billie Piper is beautiful.

    • @skynikan
      @skynikan 3 года назад +19

      I love that she is one of the most normal companions of them all. She isn't special bc of destiny, because she is well educated or something, she is one of the few characters in newWho who (especially considering what Moffat did with his companions) is neither important, nor overly intelligent. She doesn't need to speak multiple languages to be a good companion. She's curious, has a good heart and built a relationship with the doctor. Caring and being brave are the only requirements and she does those.

    • @christmansonpunk2927
      @christmansonpunk2927 3 года назад +10

      @@skynikan I absolutely adore Rose for those exact reasons. I really like Martha as well but didn't understand the suggestion that she's better because she speaks multiple languages. I myself speak English, Spanish and Italian but never would I imply this makes me better than anyone.

  • @MaxFPSGamer
    @MaxFPSGamer 3 года назад +17

    This was the first episode of Doctor Who I saw back in 2008 when it was first broadcast. It was actually a pretty good jumping on point for the show for me as it introduced concepts such as regeneration and the Daleks although my parents had to explain a lot of the backstory. It was really cool though going from there and rewatching previous episodes then going back and watching this one and finally understanding all the different elements and backstory. I’ll never forget the feelings that I felt as my little 7 year old mind tried to comprehend it all. This episode remains one of my favourites, it’s what turned me into a Whovian and will forever hold a special place in my heart.

  • @Lulu-jl5zd
    @Lulu-jl5zd 3 года назад +13

    The goodbye to Donna is one of the most touching things in the whole tome. Sarah Jane will always be the best companion...ever and ever.

  • @fadikhoory5350
    @fadikhoory5350 3 года назад +44

    Imagine if the 9th doctor was in this it would be 100x his anger in Dalek. Edit: I don't get the Dodo joke.

  • @vickygarnett7623
    @vickygarnett7623 Год назад +8

    Yeah. See. There’s a reason why there was never a Mickey/Captain Jack spin off buddy series…

  • @GeorgeMarionerd
    @GeorgeMarionerd 3 года назад +37

    The stakes in this story are the second highest I've ever seen in fiction, beaten only by those of Super Paper Mario.

    • @smbsuperfan271
      @smbsuperfan271 3 года назад +2

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    • @GeorgeMarionerd
      @GeorgeMarionerd 3 года назад +1

      @@smbsuperfan271
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      It's actually my favourite game ever, even based my channel banner/logo on its logo. Haven't really spoken about it in my videos as of yet though. Seems hard to do such a work of art justice.

    • @DogsRNice
      @DogsRNice 3 года назад +1

      I wouldn’t say it beats it
      Both have all of reality almost get destroyed and only at the very end it’s averted
      In fact the alternate realities being ahead of the main universe is really similar to the dimensions getting destroyed one after the other

    • @GeorgeMarionerd
      @GeorgeMarionerd 3 года назад +2

      @@DogsRNice
      The difference is that at least the Daleks intended to survive the reality bomb, whereas Count Bleck was going to kill and destroy everything, himself included.

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  • @redsmovieden42
    @redsmovieden42 2 года назад +12

    back here after the news of Bernard Cribbins passing, and I'm almost as sad watching his brilliant final scenes in this two-parter as I was on broadcast. Great man. will be sorely missed.

  • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
    @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 3 года назад +82

    I originally thought "Heck yes now Harbo can begin dissecting Matt Smith's episodes!" Then I remembered the last 4 Tennant specials. 😆

    • @orangepizzaparty688
      @orangepizzaparty688 3 года назад +5

      He said series 5 will be in 2022

    • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
      @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 3 года назад +9

      @@orangepizzaparty688 Oh damn we have to wait *that* long? Fair enough though, because I'm sure that making these full-series videos are quite time-consuming and he needs a break. Where exactly did he say that? (If it's somewhere in this video I admit I didn't watch the whole thing just yet, so please provide a time stamp if you could. Nice username btw).

    • @orangepizzaparty688
      @orangepizzaparty688 3 года назад +1

      @@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose It was in a livestream, can’t remember which one

    • @orangepizzaparty688
      @orangepizzaparty688 3 года назад +9

      @@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose He’s planning on doing the two crossover SJA episodes and the whole of Torchwood series 2 I think

    • @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose
      @DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose 3 года назад +1

      @@orangepizzaparty688 Oh alright but thanks for alerting me about SJA & Torchwood!

  • @enzd735
    @enzd735 3 года назад +16

    The ending to this finale still gets me today even after seeing it several times. Donna quickly became my favorite companion ever and I was literally crying when I realized she was on her way out. Doctor Who (pre-Chibnall) always knew just how to punch me in the heart with companion exits. Donna, then Amy... then Bill... ;_;

  • @imadeadmeme9429
    @imadeadmeme9429 3 года назад +73

    It's great to see Prince Philip engaging with a true British institution like Doctor Who

    • @GeriatricFan1963
      @GeriatricFan1963 3 года назад +4

      The reality bomb has got the Duke of Edinburgh's fingerprints all over it... He did always say that if he was reincarnated, he'd like to come back as a deadly virus to keep the population down...

  • @gravesendstyle
    @gravesendstyle 3 года назад +10

    ‘just give us more jack and mickey’ definitely didnt age well lmao

  • @TRGOTSVODS
    @TRGOTSVODS 3 года назад +13

    gosh, can you imagine a surprise mid-season regeneration though? that would be wild, i feel like id love that

  • @Fish-rj6ic
    @Fish-rj6ic 2 месяца назад +1

    The way they were able to seemlessly paste in a second David Tennant into the episode is very impressive, especially for the budget and time it happened

  • @antoniaprentice
    @antoniaprentice 3 года назад +5

    I love the little bit they left in when they're flying the TARDIS and Martha gives the camera a cheeky smile

  • @matthewhenthorn3343
    @matthewhenthorn3343 3 года назад +8

    A couple of things I want to bring up:
    First: how the Doctor Donna was able to close down the reality bomb with a press of a button. She didn't, the bomb was shutting down before she even revealed, she had done more than just hit a random button. If you bare in mind half the stuff she did neither doctor had ever thought of (as they stated) having access to a computer terminal (presumably there so the daleks were able to limit how much remote control Davros had) was all she needed to hack into the rest of the station.
    Second, I think Jackie was basically the hang on character she nearly always was, only there to be a gun slinger in Sarah Jane's defense and to add the personal tension of the reality bomb test (even if they break that by saving her). Also she's pretty much the only person Mickey feels really sorry for leaving, since his gran's dead and his old girlfriend has fallen for an alien. Plus it's a good sign that he knows what is to come.

  • @orangepizzaparty688
    @orangepizzaparty688 3 года назад +63

    Almost an hour.
    Jesus Christ Harbo, ton of dedication there.
    If the BBC dare claim this-

    • @HarboWholmes
      @HarboWholmes  3 года назад +28

      Oh they will

    • @epsilonalphaargo1948
      @epsilonalphaargo1948 3 года назад +4

      @@HarboWholmes Russell T Davies has said that very early on the writing process, instead of building an improvised gun, the Metacrisis Doctor was going to go back to the Shadow Proclamation, whip them up into a frenzy and lead a Judoon battle fleet into the Medusa Cascade resulting in an epic Daleks vs Judoon space battle. This unfortunately had to be changed as the budget was nowhere near big enough, a shame really as an epic space battle is something that Doctor Who has never really done and the The Stolen Earth/Journey's End two parter would have been the Perfect place for it. Though if I was in charge of the scene and had a big enough budget, the Shadow Proclamation battle fleet would have consisted of not only the Judoon but also of every species that had been featured in NuWho up to that point and the soundtrack for the scene would have been a gloriously OTT rock song similar to Live and Learn from Sonic Adventure 2 about coming together in the face of a common enemy. What do you reckon?

    • @elizataylor1726
      @elizataylor1726 2 года назад +1

      @@epsilonalphaargo1948 Every species? You have now made me think weeping angels vs daleks and I will forever hate you because that will never become reality. (Or vashta nerada vs daleks, that woulda been cool too)

    • @epsilonalphaargo1948
      @epsilonalphaargo1948 2 года назад +1

      @@elizataylor1726 Sorry.

    • @elizataylor1726
      @elizataylor1726 2 года назад +2

      @@epsilonalphaargo1948 oh I'm not actually upset i just thought it was funny, prolly shoulda made that clear, sorry

  • @magoo9866
    @magoo9866 3 года назад +6

    When you mentioned the regeneration cliffhanger being so unexpected and the media exploding really resonated with me. I always hold this finale, esp Journey's End, as the fondest memory of watching doctor who live on broadcast on the ABC in Australia as a 9-year-old kid. The night of the 2nd part airing , my family and I were at my nan's place and we were all buzzing from what's gonna happen in the resolution (esp my sister and I). I just remember so well not wanting to miss a single second of the 2nd part coz the regen was so unexpected, so much that I ended up watching the entire episode alone in the spare room coz the grown ups in the lounge were waiting for their tv program to end (which was supposed to end same time as the ep starting), so in a frantic effort not to miss anything I ran to the spare room and watched it from there. And yes all the names in the credits was so epic, they all felt like a family for me
    I really miss when the show had this effect on me, I mean I still watch even today in the hope it'll improve, but with the writing and music back in the day made it so magical. It just feels kinda flat now

  • @Jaeden_Phoenix
    @Jaeden_Phoenix 3 года назад +212

    Harbo just hating on rose through the entire video is such a mood.

    • @rosechuma2006
      @rosechuma2006 3 года назад +27

      Welp, as a Rose stan, I think I should skip this one then lmao

    • @safespacebear
      @safespacebear 3 года назад +32

      my love for Rose is stronger than any Harbo hate lolol

    • @cathiejey8430
      @cathiejey8430 3 года назад +11

      Yep. It's so nice to see another person dislike rose. I get why people like her but I just find her so unbearable at times

    • @chomu_png
      @chomu_png 3 года назад +4

      @@cathiejey8430
      Do you mind if I ask why you dislike her? I'm just genuinely curious because I've seen people hate her but never got a really clear reason as to why.

    • @cathiejey8430
      @cathiejey8430 3 года назад +13

      @@chomu_png sure! Of course I don't mind. This might be very long to read through btw. Edit: This is a lot! omg im so sorry!!
      Firstly, I'd like to say that I did like rose the first time I watched through Davies era, mainly in series 1. I really enjoyed the relationship between nine and rose because it reminded me of the mentor-student interaction seven and ace had, and I loved that dynamic a lot. Also rose in series 1 was naive but that nativity was what made her compassionate and caring. So yeah rose was great at the start and I always enjoyed rewatching series 1.
      Series 2 on the other hand became more of a chore to watch as time went past. Firstly, The romance with ten and rose was never something I invested myself into even when I was a impressionable kid. Though ten had a fairly young appearance, the doctor at this point over 900 years old and rose was 19/20; I just find the romance a bit creepy considering this big age gap.
      Also it was obviously that Russell T Davies himself was in love with Rose. In love with the his own creation which isn't always a good thing. It's the same thing with Moffat and Clara (though I like Clara a bit more for other reasons) where the writer seems to force us to like these characters by showing how incredible/special they are and for some people, it works but for others it just comes off as distasteful.
      I also did not like the way Rose treated people like Mickey and Jackie who were all but kind to her. They might not be a thousand year old timelord, the myth of legends etc but they still supported rose and did the little things to show their care for her.
      I know a lot of people don't like Mickey and find him irritable. I personally I never thought of him this way, mainly because I would probably act the same way as Mickey if I ever saw weird dangerous aliens etc. However, when rose went missing for a whole year in series 1, Mickey was thought to be the one behind her disappearance and was almost charged with suspicion of murder. So when rose returns and Mickey tells her how much pain he went through because of the doctor's carelessness, she just looks so unbothered by it. No remorse at all as if Mickey's suffering was nothing. You can tell that the longer rose travelled with the doctor, and sees all the things she shows her, when she goes back home and is re-exposed to the problems humans usually face, she doesn't deem them to be as important as what she and the doctor faces in their adventures.
      She treated Mickey horribly once she met the doctor, casting them aside as if their whole past/ childhood together was nothing and of course that would make Mickey feel worthless. I don't even blame Mickey for wanting to stay in the parallel world because the doctor and rose treated him like dirt. Rose's face in School Reunion when Mickey first asked the doctor if he could join the Tardis team, just shows how much she's come to 'dislike' Mickey and prefer the doctor instead. It's one thing to not like someone anymore and it's one thing to completely invalidate their existence so I am proud of Mickey of seeing through this mistreat and starting to fight on his own accord. No more being just the 'tin dog'
      With Jackie, it's a bit different. Even though you could say Jackie was annoying and whiny, you have to admit that she was a good and caring mother. She had to raise up Rose all by herself as a single mother and seen her grow up into the person she is. So when in Doomsday, the doctor tells Rose that she needs to go back to Pete's world with Jackie, Mickey etc and rose refuses to go without the doctor, I immediately lost all respect for her. I don't know if this is a cultural thing but the fact that rose was willing to sacrifice, not seeing her mother at all, for someone who hasn't been in her life barely as much as Jackie, was insane to me. I know eventually everyone leaves their family behind, but usually you'll see them on special occasions. Rose wouldn't be able to do that if Jackie was trapped on a parallel world.
      Rose rarely thinks about what her mother has gone through while she was travelling around. The constant dread she must have had, preparing for the heartbreak when she might never see her daughter again. To me it seems like series 2 rose only goes back home because she has to, not because she wants to.
      So once series 2 ends, I thought "okay doomsday gave a nice ending to Rose's development and I'm ready for something completely new" but we didn't get that. Throughout series 3 and 4 we just bombarded with more rose. I think the main reason people love rose is because she was probably a lot of people's first companion and at the time when doctor who came out, people weren't very used to a rotating cast. So when rose leaves and martha comes along, people automatically started comparing martha, saying that she will never be good as rose. It didn't help that even in series 3, the doctor just doesn't shut up about rose. Every single time Martha tried to help, you just hear the doctor say 'oh rose would've known what to do' which weird because no rose wouldn't know what to do at all. She's human. She hasn't seen a lot of what's there even though she argues that she has and knows the doctor more than anyone.
      Overall I just don't like the importance that was placed on rose as the doctor's true love because it just excused her to do some shitty things and it seems that she has lost her sense of self while she was with the doctor. Loss that sense of humanity that made series 1 rose so incredible. A clear indication of her character change can be seen when seeing how in series 1 rose showed mercy to a dalek but in series 2 she threatened a dalek and acted like she was superior than everyone.
      So yeah. Obviously rose is not the worse companion. She has done a lot of good things especially in series 4 with the whole saving the world thing that went on but if we're just talking series 1 and 2 where she was the main companion, unfortunately she would be far from my favourites list
      But that's just my opinion. If you like rose then I have no problem with that and no one should have a problem with that since at the end of the day, she is still a fictional character in a scifi show :)

  • @misscattrap
    @misscattrap 3 года назад +249

    Jokes on Chibnall we stopped watching before the finale

    • @JoesAnimationHub
      @JoesAnimationHub 3 года назад +5

      [insert Boycie laugh here]

    • @xentiment6581
      @xentiment6581 3 года назад +24

      Jokes on Chibnall some of us new fans refuse to watch any of his work

    • @brittanystanton3705
      @brittanystanton3705 3 года назад +20

      @@xentiment6581 same with old fans! Im just here pretending season 11 and 12 are not cannon

    • @SaintoftheHonest
      @SaintoftheHonest 3 года назад +4

      @@brittanystanton3705 It's worth watching Demons of the Punjab. JUST the one episode.

    • @izaakwang
      @izaakwang 3 года назад +3

      @@SaintoftheHonest yeah I suppose that episode wasn’t so bad

  • @orangepizzaparty688
    @orangepizzaparty688 3 года назад +12

    Only notification squad remember when this was called ‘the ultimate doctor who finale’

  • @dominicvandersee7287
    @dominicvandersee7287 2 года назад +1

    17:00 "Tell me you didn't understand the end of the episode, without saying you didn't understand the episode"

  • @louieharwood588
    @louieharwood588 3 года назад +6

    Begging Big Finish to make a series with Noel Clarke and John Barrowman hasn't aged well

  • @ariaseebold1485
    @ariaseebold1485 3 года назад +16

    Honestly don't care what anyone says, since I watched this when I was 7 it's been my favourite Doctor Who story of all time

  • @TyneeBubbles
    @TyneeBubbles 3 года назад +19

    I really love these deep dives into Who episodes, but the constant Rose hate kind of sours the experience sometimes :/. I get it, Martha is incredible; but we can't all be a Martha Jones, some of us just are a Rose, but we still have value. Yeah, probably taking it too personally, but w.e

  • @orvilleredenpiller338
    @orvilleredenpiller338 3 года назад +15

    2:27 may be my favorite shot in the entire RTD era.

    • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
      @TheSmart-CasualGamer 3 года назад +3

      I clicked your timestamp and got an advert with a chicken eating spaghetti in it.
      So I agree.

  • @RainCityWhispers
    @RainCityWhispers 2 года назад +4

    I think one thing that sometimes gets overlooked is Ianto's reaction to the EX-TER-MI-NATE!
    Ianto was at Canary Wharf. He has seen first hand as well what they can do. He's just stunned and numb.

    • @WeLhOOse
      @WeLhOOse 2 года назад

      He also says “bullets won’t work” which may or may not be referencing him seeing first hand at Canary Wharf soldiers dying because their guns did nothing

  • @stephjovi
    @stephjovi 3 года назад +8

    The doctor should've apologised to Harriet Jones, former prime minister. He freed the way for Harry Saxon

  • @randomgamevidsthedroolingg4923
    @randomgamevidsthedroolingg4923 2 года назад +3

    Donna had already reprogrammed the system, redirecting controls locally, which is why 'it's that button there'. Fastest temp in Chisick/100 words per minute, and the brains of the Doc. Made sense to me. The typing away before the 'aaaaaaaand spin' is her hacking, reconfiguring, redirecting then activating.

  • @thetimeshadow6769
    @thetimeshadow6769 3 года назад +11

    Technically, Turn Left, The Stolen Earth and Journey’s End is a 3-Parter. If it weren’t for Turn Left then you wouldn’t have a CLUE what was going on in The Stolen Earth and Journey’s End
    Edit:
    It’s a VERY common misconception

  • @Reginald425
    @Reginald425 Год назад +1

    23:05 I thought it used up one of his regenerations- he ran out as the eleventh doctor, and factoring in the war doctor and this ‘regeneration’ is the only way to bring the doctors then body count to 13. He regenerated, but didn’t get around to changing his face.

  • @chomu_png
    @chomu_png 3 года назад +11

    "Why would one random button have the power to stop the reality bomb?"
    I'll do you one better: Why are there buttons in the first place? For three people?!

    • @EditedAF987
      @EditedAF987 3 года назад +2

      Davros wanted it as his insurance policy to make sure that the Daleks didn’t kill him and let him have his fun with the Doctor? I mean they’ve tried to kill him multiple times in the past so I don’t blame him for being paranoid.

    • @theredstonebuilder1120
      @theredstonebuilder1120 3 года назад +6

      I saw a theory that after Dalek Caan saw what the Daleks had done and how their end would come, he helped design the crucible and planned for the buttons to be installed there for the doctor, doctor Donna, and the meta crisis doctor.

  • @dominickwilkins2492
    @dominickwilkins2492 3 года назад +17

    When I saw this two-parter when I was younger, I could officially tell my mother that I can now say exterminate in German. who says this show couldn't teach me anything.

    • @JoshSweetvale
      @JoshSweetvale 2 года назад +1

      It's wrong.
      It's "Ausrühen" but that's unrecognizable and tóó Nazi.

  • @daisybryar2737
    @daisybryar2737 3 года назад +6

    Just realised, you know how Ten switches between a brown suit and a blue suit, and the theory was that the brown suit was for the past and the blue suit was for the future? What if it was a hint at the metacrisis Doctor that was there right from the start of his tenure?

  • @jamma.77
    @jamma.77 3 года назад +8

    "You are the destroyer of worlds!" Says the man who just tried to destroy the whole of reality.

  • @fadikhoory5350
    @fadikhoory5350 3 года назад +11

    Doctor: I travel alone
    Later: I have a family
    Journey's End: I'm about to ruin this man's career

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 3 года назад

      11th Doctor: I had a family again.

  • @zachh6868
    @zachh6868 2 года назад +4

    I forgot how crazy good the opening is. Everyone in utter horror of the Daleks, Jack panicking thinking Martha is probably dead, Wilfred trying to stand up to the Daleks, and Rose saving him. And the doctor-donna

  • @josh113866
    @josh113866 3 года назад +16

    Awesome video mate! The only nitpick I would point out is that the Daleks are shouting in German because they're in Germany. This is so the native populace knows what they're saying. If it was France, it would be in French (hilarious as that would be). Would be very awkward for a galaxy spanning super villain species to be let down by a simple translation barrier.

    • @skynikan
      @skynikan 3 года назад +6

      Especially considering that the universal lamguage isn't english.

    • @WeLhOOse
      @WeLhOOse 2 года назад +1

      For some reason you’ve just put the idea in my head that the ones in other English speaking countries would have the accents of those countries. Imagine a kiwi dalek sounding like a big Māori “ah yeah bro we’re hear to exterminate you” to kill some people following up with “argh, you alright bro”.
      This’ll make sense to some people and for those who it doesn’t make sense to, in my personal experience, the really big Māoris and other Polynesians tend be very softly spoken and I’ve had it few times in rugby where a huge 6’5 120kg kiwi or other islander has sent me flying only to come over and, whilst sounding like a really well mannered and concerned 10 year old, helping me to my feet and making sure I’m not hurt

  • @LSM1221
    @LSM1221 11 месяцев назад +2

    Retail worker with high school education learns how to punch holes in reality
    VS
    Graduate and MD becomes fluent in a second language which is closely related to her first language
    HarboWholmes: one of these is so much more impressive than the other

  • @christophersheets5452
    @christophersheets5452 3 года назад +15

    Just reading the screenshot of Clive Swift’s interview in this video... holy crap. Who hurt him? Why was he being so mean? Whoever interviewed him should get a medal

  • @franl155
    @franl155 3 года назад +6

    For me, Donna ties with Classic Sarah Jane as the Best Companion of All Time.
    re "Osterhagen": it's an anagram of "Earth's gone"
    If all the stolen planets are returned to their place and time, wouldn't that make some of this season un-happen?
    If the Adipose breeding planet was returned, there'd be no need for Miss Foster to use earth; if Pyrovilia was un-lost, why would they need to remake it on earth? I don't suppose that anyone lived on the Lost Moon of Poosh, but at least returning that to the moment it was originally taken would help with the tides on Poosh, which must have gone berserk when it lost its moon.
    I like how a circle is closed at the very end of the episode. We only see the Doctor without his jacket twice: once when he first meets Donna [he puts it around her shoulders on the rooftop] and now when he loses Donna forever.
    If a human-Time Lord hybrid isn't possible and it's killing Donna, what about the metacrisis Doctor? he's a human-Time Lord hybrid as well.
    I was ok with Rose in series 1, but here I found her irritating. She's been told that the dimensions are sealed, and that to breach them would cause dimensional collapse. Despite that, her Torchwood develops a "time cannon" to bring her back. They get it working, and all of a sudden the dimensions start to collapse. It doesn't seem to have occurred to anyone to wonder "Hm, cause and effect?"
    And at the very end, she's most brattish. She's not 19 any more, but she's still acting like it. She wants what she wants, and when she gets as near to it as is possible, she's still not satisfied.
    The Doctor she's left with must be very aware that he's only the consolation prize.

  • @gillgurnt5476
    @gillgurnt5476 3 года назад +18

    For next episode, I’m just going to say my opinion right now, I think the next doctor is the best Christmas special ever..

    • @uklie01
      @uklie01 3 года назад

      I totally loved this one too, no idea why so many don't like it...

    • @zakapholiac9377
      @zakapholiac9377 3 года назад +6

      @@uklie01 because the cyber king was stupid. And the way it was defeated was beyond lazy

    • @uklie01
      @uklie01 3 года назад

      @@zakapholiac9377 yes, that's actually true. But I liked the episode anyway :)

    • @zakapholiac9377
      @zakapholiac9377 3 года назад +2

      @@uklie01 then enjoy it, don’t listen to the masses 👍

    • @joshconnorr
      @joshconnorr 3 года назад

      The Next Doctor or the Christmas Carol one?

  • @tinykemper2561
    @tinykemper2561 3 года назад +13

    I gotta say, not only is this faverourite Doctor Who story, but probably my faverouite pice of fiction, and I've got such a personal connection to it.

  • @graaaaaaaaaaaaaaace
    @graaaaaaaaaaaaaaace 2 года назад +9

    I think this episode does show another overlooked part of the series in the set dressing and technical aspects of DW. The clothing every character wears conveys significant characterization, the goofier CGI is used in a way that still flows with the style of the show, and my god the practical effects are phenomenal in this. Seasons 1-4's practical effects were some of my favorite parts... God, could you imagine Caan being anything except the puppet he is? Imagine a CGI alien there... And Davros's prosthetic makeup and little chair he moves around in.
    I think Moffat really lost out on part of the magic of DW when doing almost fully CGI and video editing for when he took over. I don't mind the doctors after Tennant, I actually quite love Capaldi's performances, but by god do I miss the flair of things looking grounded in reality. I miss how all the sets looked a bit... dirty? Everything always had grime on it in some way. Everything looked at least a bit lived in. The shiny-ness of the following series lost a lot for me. I know it's Moffat's style, but I wish his style wasn't so lifeless.

  • @zachh6868
    @zachh6868 2 года назад +1

    6:20 the Chills I get every time I think of this scene, you didn't even have to start describing it, and my imagination of hearing that Dalek Theme pop up again goes wild.
    Imagine watching an Avengers movie or Star Wars, and then you hear "Exterminate" and that Dalek theme starts playing. My brain would explode.

  • @Jodor--
    @Jodor-- 3 года назад +5

    15 days later and the Micky and Jack tv idea went from probably never happing to defiantly not

  • @apanapandottir205
    @apanapandottir205 Год назад +2

    "Like Owen. LIke Tosh." Kills me everytime.

  • @SilverStormShadow
    @SilverStormShadow 3 года назад +10

    I personally love this 2 parter, it is by far the best Doctor Who story that I've seen, partially for Nostalgia of seeing this broadcast originally, and genuinely thinking for a week that Tennant was gone and someone would replace him in the next episode.
    While I can't really defend the whole console that controls everything in the crucible, but think about the ending to Genesis of the Daleks, when the Daleks turn on Davros, he is likely concerned that something like that could happen with this new batch, so that to me kinda justifies Davros essentially having a Dalek Kill Switch, however it would probably make more sense to have it as one of his personal controls on his chair, rather than on a random console in the Vault.

    • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
      @TheSmart-CasualGamer 3 года назад +2

      If it helps, it's likely that he didn't even know it did that. Caan presumably put it there as part of his manipulation of all things.

    • @Dimension5Productions
      @Dimension5Productions 3 года назад +1

      If this is the best you've seen then I absolutely recommend the classics to you.

  • @LunaButNotLunar
    @LunaButNotLunar 3 года назад +5

    My theory behind Jack staying still is that: if he's died a way before he's able to revive from it without a physical reaction (hence why we see him have no or little reaction to reviving after being shot so many time) - he'd been killed ny a Dalek before, but when he died of exposure to the time vortex that was soemthing new.

    • @bsteven885
      @bsteven885 2 года назад

      I have a similar theory: Jack expected THIS "death" so he didn't react like he did with the other ones, which took him by surprise.

  • @10thdoctor15
    @10thdoctor15 3 года назад +5

    Russell T Davies wanted there to be 3 parts to the finale and to bring in a lot more aspects of the show, but of course wasn't able to for time and budget. It's incredible that Journey's End got extra time at all.

  • @dmatayoshi1
    @dmatayoshi1 3 года назад +1

    God, the consistent puns and references to past Dalek stories in the commentary make me laugh, this is one of the best video essays I've seen in a while. Thanks for the quality content.

  • @TheHorrorDevotee
    @TheHorrorDevotee 3 года назад +4

    I have never not cried when I heard 'Oh, you know nothing of any human. And that will be your downfall.'

  • @harrysavva9630
    @harrysavva9630 3 года назад +4

    The Reality Bomb was not stopped with literally 1 button xD
    The RB was negated before that button was pressed. Similar to how Donna was using a combination of controls to override the Daleks' weapons etc using a thought process that even the 2 other Doctors didn't think of, thats how Donna stopped the RB too, with "that button there" being the final switch to put the RB in shut-down. The RB is stopped by Donna using the controls and after pressing thast last button its basically switched off, as the Daleks even said when they say that the system is in shut-down.

  • @user0237
    @user0237 3 года назад +10

    16:24 In children of Earth Day 4 or 5 when Gwen's inspecting Jack and Ianto's bodies Jack resurrects quietly then as well

    • @waxdrips
      @waxdrips 3 года назад +1

      Yep I thought exactly the same as you it’s the only other time I could think of

    • @dethlokprime8655
      @dethlokprime8655 3 года назад +1

      And when Susie shot him. There’s been a few

    • @waxdrips
      @waxdrips 3 года назад

      @@dethlokprime8655 true actually

  • @Infamous-K
    @Infamous-K 2 года назад +1

    These two have always been my go-back-to-them episodes.. I watched them again very recently and they still hold up.
    Thanks for taking us back through them.

    • @WeLhOOse
      @WeLhOOse 2 года назад

      I think I’ve watched them 3 times in the last month. Once by myself after starting again from 9 and 2 more times with my family. Thank god for bbc iPlayer 😂

  • @HiHi-lt1cb
    @HiHi-lt1cb Год назад +3

    Even though I wasn't the biggest fan of some of these characters or plotlines, seeing them all together was so cool. I wish we got something like this for Moffatt's era.

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 3 года назад +4

    Fun fact Russell T. Davies intended Davros to be the inmate of the penal planet in Impossible Planet/Satan's Pit