Ian ! Thank you very much, you solved a mystery for me. When I was a little boy in Germany on a Bauernhof (farm) I found one of those in a cottage for workers... Wrapped in greased news paper from 1943! Had a full magazine, 6 rounds I think (I was 11). I only remember that it was marked 6.35 mm. It had WWF on both grips. Shot all the rounds out of it before my Father came, kicked me up the Bum and confiscated it :D. He never told me what happened to it, so I just ask my Mother and it was taken by Customs in 1983 when we emigrated to Australia.
You sure are getting good at spotting the strange and unique specimens! I never considered the thought of a double action pistol having two sear points like this one does.
I came here because the “Little Tom” pistol is a pivotal plot point in the novel “The Pale Criminal” by Philip Kerr. I wanted to know more about it. (The story is set in Berlin in 1938.)
Would you recommend the book? I'm looking for ideas about what to add to my "to read" list. I've heard of Kerr from friends who are historical-fiction-esque fans but haven't checked his work out yet.
Great writer, who sadly passed on from illness a few years ago. I would recommend all of his crime novels, which offer a dark look at what it might be like to be a "good cop" in Nazi Germany.
i have to admit i bust out laughing at that name being an American. It sounds like something i would say while drunk trying to impersonate a German or Austrian by ramdomly stringing together what few German words i know Wiener and Waffenfabrik being like 2/10.
That's really a surprisingly clever yet simple system. It doesn't look like it would be that comfortable to shoot, and I'm not so sure about having a loose magazine or a barrel that easily dislodged, but for light self defense, i would totally buy that.
IMHO after watching a lot vids here this is the best pistol design of that era. Sleek and functional, outside and inside. When it was made, .25/.32 were the calibers of choice, as concealed-carry pistols were intended for really short distances only. .380/9mm and the widespread use of medium distance pistols came decades later.
This is a significant step toward the modern carry gun. One can see the influence of this first DA pocket gun in almost all of the popular pocket semi-autos today. The trigger-hammer link is very similar to SCCY,Kel-tec,LCR and such. Well I suppose there are only so many ways to execute a DA pistol but the Little Tom was first. Alex C reviewed a Czech made Little Tom .I wonder if the Czech made ones are different in that it will only load the mag from the topside , at about 1:30 ruclips.net/video/SgNJvoX6wM0/видео.html Thanks Ian.
Such an impressive design for such an early design. Kinda funny how a lot of older guns are more complicated than modern designs (and didn't even have added safeties). Many were just over-thinking the designs when they invented them (like the 1911).
My understanding is that double action means pulling the trigger is doing two things, drawing back the hammer or striker and then releasing it, and that single action means is doing one thing, releasing the hammer or striker. Since even though this pistol has the same length of travel for shooting it with the hammer cocked back, the trigger is only doing one thing, I think it should still be considered a DA/SA.
I think that mag through the top is genius as hell, in the middle of a gun fight or confrontation with somebody else, which would be faster, having to hit the release at the bottom and pull the mag out, put it down, pick up the next one, slide it in OR you just push the new mag into the gun and let the old one fall to the ground through the top and keep shooting. Guns are designed to be used in violent situation, gun makers dont make guns for people to carry around in a holster and never use. The only purpose of a gun is survival by force (hunting or defending ones self) ,and any design in the gun that helps that is good. There isnt one situation besides just being at the range where that feature in the gun wouldnt be possibly useful. IF someone knows there way around a gun even a little bit theyd be able to effectively use that feature in one situation or another if needed. The specific design of the mag system might need to be fiddled with which wont happen because as you said "no one does that anymore" but the idea of that is fucking genius. technically no gun feature is needed beside a working pin, mag (or cylinder), slide and extractor. EVERYTHING else on a gun is just shit that the designer decided would help or set the gun apart from competitors. you could say the same thing about the mag fed revolver, the design of how it feeds trounds is not "practical" but the dude made it that way anyway, why? to set the gun apart from its competitors. OKay, thats my rant for today about something completely not important
welp, that's ingenious. if I go and make myself a semi-auto, I think I'll just use that trigger design. looks pretty easy to make. What stops the barrel from moving on it's own, though? the safety being off?
Do you only review guns coming up for auction? This gun reminds me of another interesting Czechoslovakian DOA 25cal pistol, the Vzor 45 or CZ45 designed by Jan Kratochvil (?) Another pistol/rifle I'd like to see you review is the French Unique Duo (as opposed to the Czechoslovakian Duo), which used the same action on both a pistol barrel and rifle barrel, which seems to me to be a rather good idea! Last question; as an Australian collector of these European pocket/vest pocket pistols; is it possible to export these collectible to an auction company in USA like RIA, or is American import of these as "Curios and Relics" totally banned? p.s. Keep up the good work! Your channel is by far the best and most informative site on the internet. Many thanks!
TFB TV did a video on the Little Tom recently as well and in his video he states that the magazine will not load properly from under the grip. Is there a reason for this discrepancy?
I am looking into the possibility that bottom-loading examples have been modified to allow it. The small sample size of guns available makes it a bit tricky to be sure.
+Forgotten Weapons On mine the magazine catch cannot move back enough to allow the mag to clear it. I would need to machine material off of the rear of the catch to allow the magazine to be inserted from the bottom. Perhaps the .25 and .32 guns are different.
Interesting, and old vid, but 3 thoughts.... 1. No sights 2. With that barrel attachment wouldn't hand cycling the action with a sticky case pull the barrel off? 3. Why is the push through magazine a bad idea?
I know this is a much earlier video in your channel, but I have recently got a hold of one of these little marvels, and need some help with sourcing pieces. It sadly has come to me in a rather rough shape and is currently under repair. However, due to it's previous care, it is unfortunately missing the safety switch and the firing pin seems to be sheared at the neck, disabling it firing ever again. Do you have any knowledge of seller's or (worst case scenario) third party vendors that may provide replacement? If you do see this message, I thank you for your time.
During firing it's blowback. But I have the same question about hand cycling if say the case was sticky. Pulling the slide back would pull the extractor which would pull the case which would pull the barrel.
That's the problem with being first, you are forced to answer a bunch of questions that nobody has had the opportunity to ask yet. The designer of this gun did an impressive job.
Joachim Elmesiöö True, but I prefer to not have any idea, and then be surprised when Ian posts an after auction video. If the lot didn't sell, I can always go back and see what the approximate worth was.
He may have made some prior to WW1 or near the beginning of the conflict because I have a little Tom dated 1915 with a SR of 1571. I think there is a level of chaos thrown into this history due to the war that makes it unclear.
Outstanding as always. Why do the Czechs have such strengths in weapon design? in addition to the well-known firearms, didn't Skoda also produce some very handy pack howitzers? I think they were mentioned in Lawrence of Arabia's writings.
You are right. But not only great small arms and all kinds of artillery from Škoda but great tanks too - for example German PzKpfw 35(t) PzKpfw 38(t) that were extensively used in the French campaign were Czech Lt vz. 35 and Lt vz. 38 acquired after the occupation (compare these two tanks against the PzKpfw I and II) . Only the air force was outdated (but again, see the prototype Avia B-35, that came too late).
Just because the trigger goes the same distance doesn't make it double action only. It is still in single action mode if the hammer is cocked. The triger is still only doing a SINGLE ACTION, droping the hammer. If the hammer couldn't be cocked, it would be double action only.
So the magazine is like an en-bloc clip and standard magazine? I know it seems like a pointless feature but man I would like having that feature for just the sheer option of slamming a new mag in there without having to manually drop the first one ^-^
Just a guess, but I imagine it was hard to feel the detent stop as you pushed a new magazine in so rather than just dropping one and slamming a new one in as far as it goes, you had to feel gently for the point at which is was correctly inserted, and make sure the empty mag had fallen out. A bit fiddly.
Ian, was Alex mistaken on TFB Channel when he stated that the Little Tom's magazine can only be loaded from the top or is that specific to the model of which he just posted a video?
Is this gun actually a DAO? As the gun can be in a full cocked position, is that not actually a DA/SA? It was not demonstrated that after a shot had been fired and the action had cycled, that the hammer was still against the firing pin, but even at that...I thought that by definition, a DAO does not have any provision for having the hammer in full cocked position...or am I wrong?
+Forgotten Weapons either way, if you have the trigger performing the cocking and firing actions it would be double action. to me it seems this is a da/sa with a really long trigger pull. truly a great innovation although the single action does not provide the feel we would desire the way a cz75 does. that said, the interesting thing about guns like this is the innovation that doesn't get carried on. no one notices removable double stack magazines, dovetailed three dot sights, browning drop lock barrels, or DA/SA triggers since they have become so mainstream
Perhaps the designer preferred the shooter to have the experience with a similar trigger pull in both modes. Or is there any advantage in the perceived trigger action between cocked and uncocked firing?
I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to firearm operating mechanisms so can someone explain me why I would want to cock the hammer with a trigger mechanism like on this gun? I don't see the point. To me it seems like the gun will fire no matter the position of the hammer!
In a single action revolver, all the trigger does is remove the obstruction holding the trigger cocked, allowing the hammer to fall under spring tension... it will NOT cock the gun at all. You have to manually pull back the hammer.
Well, on this gun you wouldn't really, since the trigger pull will be pretty much the same either way, which makes it (sorta?) DAO because your main resistance on the trigger would be the recoil spring. On other DA/SA guns (like the USP for example) you can also always fire, whether or not the hammer is cocked before but the trigger pull is ridiculously harder, when the hammer is not cocked.
TFB TV did a video with the one of those like 5 days ago. Funny I did say it should be on your channel =P. Edit: Seems TFB TV got some details wrong or something.
PolesAreEverywhere Well sure. But doesn't that make it DA/SA ? I thought DAO is glock. Something you can't cock. Here the triger can clearly do both triggering only (SA) or do both cocking and drigering (DA).
Well you are fighting the trigger spring .. but not the hammer string int 'SA' mode. Now if the trigger spring were just for the trigger, I would guess it is quit light, so it would be no problem. But here it's the same spring as recoil spring, so it's gonna be tougher.
PleaseDontWatchThese I think there was some just like that on ForgottenWeapons. Can't remember what it was. It removable side plates and I think it was German. Edit: did some search and guess it was something else ..
PleaseDontWatchThese Probably not, or not without unnecessary complications - the spring has two ends, so two functions are easy. Adding more will require levers and transsmissions, and will bring too much problems.
And since these pistols were designed and made in the same area (Austro-Hungarian Empire) as the Mannlicher military rifles with the en-bloc clips, that 'feature' would be very common.
A DAO pistol wihich for single shots can be fired as a single action. You have to pull the trigger all the way, yes, but without the force needed to cock the hammer. Weird stuff, but I like it!
Well ... I am not Czech (I am Slovak which is next closest :-)) but Tomiska does not translate to anything related to Tom. Also Tom is not used in our parts, the full name is Tomas (Tomash would be about the correct pronunciation). Tomiska has no meaning that I am aware of.
Well, according to internet :-) Czech last name Tomiška / Tomišek indeed origins from first name Tomáš and while it definitely is not something we would use today, historically speaking, it is a diminutive of the name. Today we would say Tomášek instead of Tomišek, yet you can kinda see the similarity. In short both Tomišek and Tomiška are translated into English as little Tomáš. And while I don't know how you have it in Slovakia, here in Czech Republic, Tom is quite often used as a short version for Tomáš.
Pretty interesting concept for the magazine- it gets around the awkwardness of the heel release at least. Pretty nonsensical for a dinky pocket pistol like that though- if you´re carrying this then you don´t expect more than one or two crooks to assault you, and you don´t expect to dump a whole mag for it. So why you would need a fast reload system for this i dunno.
Ian ! Thank you very much, you solved a mystery for me. When I was a little boy in Germany on a Bauernhof (farm) I found one of those in a cottage for workers... Wrapped in greased news paper from 1943! Had a full magazine, 6 rounds I think (I was 11). I only remember that it was marked 6.35 mm. It had WWF on both grips. Shot all the rounds out of it before my Father came, kicked me up the Bum and confiscated it :D. He never told me what happened to it, so I just ask my Mother and it was taken by Customs in 1983 when we emigrated to Australia.
sad...
I love the way he made the barrel so easy to take out!
Pretty amazing how much interesting stuff there is to see on something as straightforward as a blowback .25 pocket pistol.
So cool! I love turn-of-the-century automatics. There were so many fresh and innovative features that were tried, the guns always interesting
Wow, that's one hell of a simple DA mechanism and I think it's genius!
As a youngster I had a couple of them in Austria. Some have been made at Wiener Waffenfabrik and some at the Ferlacher Buchsenmacher Gesellschaft.
You sure are getting good at spotting the strange and unique specimens! I never considered the thought of a double action pistol having two sear points like this one does.
That's one of the more elegant mechanisms I've seen, and a truly fine-looking mouse gun. I'll find one for my own collection someday.
Something of the kid in me just loves mouse guns. Thank you great video. Hard to explain, guts of the gun so well. You get it.
I don't think you need to worry about being nerdy on this channel, Ian. That's why we like it! ...or that's at least why I like it :p
for sure
Amen to that. Praise be to Gun Jesus.
Same
Fascinating Mechanisms! Thank You GunGuru Ian!
I came here because the “Little Tom” pistol is a pivotal plot point in the novel “The Pale Criminal” by Philip Kerr. I wanted to know more about it. (The story is set in Berlin in 1938.)
Would you recommend the book? I'm looking for ideas about what to add to my "to read" list. I've heard of Kerr from friends who are historical-fiction-esque fans but haven't checked his work out yet.
Great writer, who sadly passed on from illness a few years ago. I would recommend all of his crime novels, which offer a dark look at what it might be like to be a "good cop" in Nazi Germany.
@@NewirthofUIC I completely agree.
Is that a Little Tom in your pants?
No,it's a PP.
God dammit
come see my wiener... waffen. ;)
You just made my day sir.
I love your videos so much. Guns and history are my two favorite things. I hope you do a video on the K2 sometime in the future.
I like this design. It's really original at this point in SA pistol development, and it's also very simple. Thanks for the vid!
That magazine loading style might be kinda dumb, but you have to admit there's a certain charm to the idea.
truly genius! you can tell this person knew what they were doing.
"Wiener Waffenfabrik" literally just means "viennese weapons factory"
greatings from vienna! :)
i have to admit i bust out laughing at that name being an American. It sounds like something i would say while drunk trying to impersonate a German or Austrian by ramdomly stringing together what few German words i know Wiener and Waffenfabrik being like 2/10.
Ah, Aus die Wiener Waffenfabrik wir einer wiener waffen gemach!
A Wiener made in Pilsner, just me getting hungry?
@@gunnarkvinlaug7226 Pilsner makes me thirsty
Ok, when are you guys admitting that German is just a practical joke that’s been going on for several centuries?
That's really a surprisingly clever yet simple system. It doesn't look like it would be that comfortable to shoot, and I'm not so sure about having a loose magazine or a barrel that easily dislodged, but for light self defense, i would totally buy that.
IMHO after watching a lot vids here this is the best pistol design of that era. Sleek and functional, outside and inside. When it was made, .25/.32 were the calibers of choice, as concealed-carry pistols were intended for really short distances only. .380/9mm and the widespread use of medium distance pistols came decades later.
This is a significant step toward the modern carry gun. One can see the influence of this first DA pocket gun in almost all of the popular pocket semi-autos today. The trigger-hammer link is very similar to SCCY,Kel-tec,LCR and such. Well I suppose there are only so many ways to execute a DA pistol but the Little Tom was first. Alex C reviewed a Czech made Little Tom .I wonder if the Czech made ones are different in that it will only load the mag from the topside , at about 1:30
ruclips.net/video/SgNJvoX6wM0/видео.html
Thanks Ian.
Interesting little pistol. I always thought Le Francais was the first DAO pistol. This came out in 1909, 3 years before Le Francais. Fascinating.
Interesting guns!Thanks Ian!Unfortunately almost impossible to buy here in Finland..Too small,would be categorized as "pocket gun" here..
I love the simplicity of the trigger mechanism.
I love these early solutions people came up with for triggers
Wow, that's one real piece of engineering.
I never thought I'd see a gun where you engage the safety by pulling the trigger.
Interesting design elements on these little pistols I haven't heard of before
I love this little pistol. The top loading/ejecting magazine well is a novel idea.
I now know (well, noticed) that's a Hall rifle third from the right. Thanks Ian!
Incredible timing, Ian. TFB TV just did a video on this little guy.
I really enjoy your presentations. Would uyou consider including estimated values of the guns you discuss in various conditions?
You can see estimated values by clicking the link to RIA's page, in the description.
What a neat little gun.
Fascinating, that mag and trigger action! Were the sights taken off by a previous owner or did these guns come without sights from the factory?
Daniel van Slooten
Curious myself, watched twice didn't catch reasoning.
We have one of these at home.Our pistol has no sights as well. It was probably supposed to be a defensive short-range weapon.
Such an impressive design for such an early design. Kinda funny how a lot of older guns are more complicated than modern designs (and didn't even have added safeties). Many were just over-thinking the designs when they invented them (like the 1911).
excellent to see how the trigger mechanism works on these pistols
My understanding is that double action means pulling the trigger is doing two things, drawing back the hammer or striker and then releasing it, and that single action means is doing one thing, releasing the hammer or striker. Since even though this pistol has the same length of travel for shooting it with the hammer cocked back, the trigger is only doing one thing, I think it should still be considered a DA/SA.
Very ilustractive.
My God is that an adorable sidearm, gimme!
Such a cute little barrel :D
It's a clever design.
I think that mag through the top is genius as hell, in the middle of a gun fight or confrontation with somebody else, which would be faster, having to hit the release at the bottom and pull the mag out, put it down, pick up the next one, slide it in OR you just push the new mag into the gun and let the old one fall to the ground through the top and keep shooting. Guns are designed to be used in violent situation, gun makers dont make guns for people to carry around in a holster and never use. The only purpose of a gun is survival by force (hunting or defending ones self) ,and any design in the gun that helps that is good. There isnt one situation besides just being at the range where that feature in the gun wouldnt be possibly useful. IF someone knows there way around a gun even a little bit theyd be able to effectively use that feature in one situation or another if needed. The specific design of the mag system might need to be fiddled with which wont happen because as you said "no one does that anymore" but the idea of that is fucking genius. technically no gun feature is needed beside a working pin, mag (or cylinder), slide and extractor. EVERYTHING else on a gun is just shit that the designer decided would help or set the gun apart from competitors. you could say the same thing about the mag fed revolver, the design of how it feeds trounds is not "practical" but the dude made it that way anyway, why? to set the gun apart from its competitors. OKay, thats my rant for today about something completely not important
TwoGunToast Mag fed revolver?
What keeps the barrel from moving back when the slide goes back after firing? Or does the slide come forwards fast enough to slam it back into place.
Safety pin held it. When he rotated it the stop part rolled out of the way flat and let it slide back. Pretty awesome design
Good video and interesting as always.
welp, that's ingenious. if I go and make myself a semi-auto, I think I'll just use that trigger design. looks pretty easy to make.
What stops the barrel from moving on it's own, though? the safety being off?
Do you only review guns coming up for auction? This gun reminds me of another interesting Czechoslovakian DOA 25cal pistol, the Vzor 45 or CZ45 designed by Jan Kratochvil (?) Another pistol/rifle I'd like to see you review is the French Unique Duo (as opposed to the Czechoslovakian Duo), which used the same action on both a pistol barrel and rifle barrel, which seems to me to be a rather good idea! Last question; as an Australian collector of these European pocket/vest pocket pistols; is it possible to export these collectible to an auction company in USA like RIA, or is American import of these as "Curios and Relics" totally banned? p.s. Keep up the good work! Your channel is by far the best and most informative site on the internet. Many thanks!
TFB TV did a video on the Little Tom recently as well and in his video he states that the magazine will not load properly from under the grip. Is there a reason for this discrepancy?
I am looking into the possibility that bottom-loading examples have been modified to allow it. The small sample size of guns available makes it a bit tricky to be sure.
+Forgotten Weapons
On mine the magazine catch cannot move back enough to allow the mag to clear it. I would need to machine material off of the rear of the catch to allow the magazine to be inserted from the bottom. Perhaps the .25 and .32 guns are different.
Hello do you know what originally was the magazine that was modified? (4 min 25 in the video)
Thank you
thanks for the education its a brilliant vidio
TFB TV did a shooting review on what I think is the a DA/SA variant
My .32 version is DA/SA and mags cannot be loaded from the bottom.
Interesting, and old vid, but 3 thoughts....
1. No sights
2. With that barrel attachment wouldn't hand cycling the action with a sticky case pull the barrel off?
3. Why is the push through magazine a bad idea?
I know this is a much earlier video in your channel, but I have recently got a hold of one of these little marvels, and need some help with sourcing pieces. It sadly has come to me in a rather rough shape and is currently under repair. However, due to it's previous care, it is unfortunately missing the safety switch and the firing pin seems to be sheared at the neck, disabling it firing ever again. Do you have any knowledge of seller's or (worst case scenario) third party vendors that may provide replacement? If you do see this message, I thank you for your time.
Interesting barrel lock design. What keeps it from coming out/sliding back as it cycles?
CTompkinsYT drag from the bullet pulling it forwards?
During firing it's blowback. But I have the same question about hand cycling if say the case was sticky. Pulling the slide back would pull the extractor which would pull the case which would pull the barrel.
@@snek9353 I would guess the safety being in the fire position locks the barrel, since it must be in safe to disassemble
very cool the way you can load her
That's the problem with being first, you are forced to answer a bunch of questions that nobody has had the opportunity to ask yet. The designer of this gun did an impressive job.
A nice looking pair of mouse guns. It'll be interesting to see how much they fetch at auction.
If you press the link in the description to the auction house, you can often see the estimated price.
Joachim Elmesiöö True, but I prefer to not have any idea, and then be surprised when Ian posts an after auction video. If the lot didn't sell, I can always go back and see what the approximate worth was.
He may have made some prior to WW1 or near the beginning of the conflict because I have a little Tom dated 1915 with a SR of 1571. I think there is a level of chaos thrown into this history due to the war that makes it unclear.
I'm kinda curious, wouldn't that trigger bar be a sort of weakpoint in longer term use? It looks raher thin.
Outstanding as always. Why do the Czechs have such strengths in weapon design? in addition to the well-known firearms, didn't Skoda also produce some very handy pack howitzers? I think they were mentioned in Lawrence of Arabia's writings.
Outstanding meaning thanks for the excellent videos.
You are right. But not only great small arms and all kinds of artillery from Škoda but great tanks too - for example German PzKpfw 35(t) PzKpfw 38(t) that were extensively used in the French campaign were Czech Lt vz. 35 and Lt vz. 38 acquired after the occupation (compare these two tanks against the PzKpfw I and II) . Only the air force was outdated (but again, see the prototype Avia B-35, that came too late).
Good gun Mr .
Best one ...i loved it
Just because the trigger goes the same distance doesn't make it double action only. It is still in single action mode if the hammer is cocked. The triger is still only doing a SINGLE ACTION, droping the hammer. If the hammer couldn't be cocked, it would be double action only.
So the magazine is like an en-bloc clip and standard magazine? I know it seems like a pointless feature but man I would like having that feature for just the sheer option of slamming a new mag in there without having to manually drop the first one ^-^
you never explained why no other guns allow for a magazine to come out of the gun as you place a new one in.
Mr.Meeseeks
Its probably quicker to drop a magazine with the aid of gravity than it is to push one out with another magazine
Just a guess, but I imagine it was hard to feel the detent stop as you pushed a new magazine in so rather than just dropping one and slamming a new one in as far as it goes, you had to feel gently for the point at which is was correctly inserted, and make sure the empty mag had fallen out. A bit fiddly.
3:46 Confused screaming
Ian, was Alex mistaken on TFB Channel when he stated that the Little Tom's magazine can only be loaded from the top or is that specific to the model of which he just posted a video?
How does the safety works ?
Czech firearms designers don't get enough credit.
Is this gun actually a DAO? As the gun can be in a full cocked position, is that not actually a DA/SA? It was not demonstrated that after a shot had been fired and the action had cycled, that the hammer was still against the firing pin, but even at that...I thought that by definition, a DAO does not have any provision for having the hammer in full cocked position...or am I wrong?
I suppose it depends on whether you define the system by the trigger or the hammer.
+Forgotten Weapons either way, if you have the trigger performing the cocking and firing actions it would be double action. to me it seems this is a da/sa with a really long trigger pull.
truly a great innovation although the single action does not provide the feel we would desire the way a cz75 does. that said, the interesting thing about guns like this is the innovation that doesn't get carried on. no one notices removable double stack magazines, dovetailed three dot sights, browning drop lock barrels, or DA/SA triggers since they have become so mainstream
Double action means two actions, cocking and firing. On this gun, the trigger only performs one action after the first shot. That makes it a DA/SA.
Perhaps the designer preferred the shooter to have the experience with a similar trigger pull in both modes. Or is there any advantage in the perceived trigger action between cocked and uncocked firing?
Sooooo what keeps the barrel from recoiling backward when you fire the gun?
The slide probably blocks it idk though
would love for you to get your hands on a PSM
Very cool
Shoutout to everyone in the forgotten weapons comments community.
So, this is the first double action only semi-auto pistol, but what's the first double action semi-auto pistol?
6.35 isn't it about the diameter of a BB pellet?
Here in Germany that would be 4,5mm I think.
a Ar-15 fires a bullet only 5.56mm. Its how fast it goes not how big the bullet is.
I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to firearm operating mechanisms so can someone explain me why I would want to cock the hammer with a trigger mechanism like on this gun? I don't see the point. To me it seems like the gun will fire no matter the position of the hammer!
In a single action revolver, all the trigger does is remove the obstruction holding the trigger cocked, allowing the hammer to fall under spring tension... it will NOT cock the gun at all. You have to manually pull back the hammer.
Well, on this gun you wouldn't really, since the trigger pull will be pretty much the same either way, which makes it (sorta?) DAO because your main resistance on the trigger would be the recoil spring. On other DA/SA guns (like the USP for example) you can also always fire, whether or not the hammer is cocked before but the trigger pull is ridiculously harder, when the hammer is not cocked.
TFB TV did a video with the one of those like 5 days ago.
Funny I did say it should be on your channel =P.
Edit: Seems TFB TV got some details wrong or something.
I'm sure that's because Ian does actual research. While TFB probably goes to wikipedia.
Ian actually works with TFB quite a bit. So, I bet Ian has some crap to give the TFB staff when they meet up
I reckon its SA/DA, not DAO, right?
I'm confused too !
PolesAreEverywhere
Well sure. But doesn't that make it DA/SA ?
I thought DAO is glock. Something you can't cock. Here the triger can clearly do both triggering only (SA) or do both cocking and drigering (DA).
Well you are fighting the trigger spring .. but not the hammer string int 'SA' mode.
Now if the trigger spring were just for the trigger, I would guess it is quit light, so it would be no problem. But here it's the same spring as recoil spring, so it's gonna be tougher.
PleaseDontWatchThese
I think there was some just like that on ForgottenWeapons. Can't remember what it was. It removable side plates and I think it was German.
Edit: did some search and guess it was something else ..
PleaseDontWatchThese Probably not, or not without unnecessary complications - the spring has two ends, so two functions are easy. Adding more will require levers and transsmissions, and will bring too much problems.
The magazine idea reminds me ever so slightly of Mannlicher en-bloc feeding
And since these pistols were designed and made in the same area (Austro-Hungarian Empire) as the Mannlicher military rifles with the en-bloc clips, that 'feature' would be very common.
awesome
Does the Little Tom malfunction frequently?
A DAO pistol wihich for single shots can be fired as a single action.
You have to pull the trigger all the way, yes, but without the force needed to cock the hammer.
Weird stuff, but I like it!
They look interesting..... are they working firearms? Wonder how they shoot
My mistake, barrel was stuck.
Well ... I am not Czech (I am Slovak which is next closest :-)) but Tomiska does not translate to anything related to Tom. Also Tom is not used in our parts, the full name is Tomas (Tomash would be about the correct pronunciation). Tomiska has no meaning that I am aware of.
Well, according to internet :-) Czech last name Tomiška / Tomišek indeed origins from first name Tomáš and while it definitely is not something we would use today, historically speaking, it is a diminutive of the name. Today we would say Tomášek instead of Tomišek, yet you can kinda see the similarity.
In short both Tomišek and Tomiška are translated into English as little Tomáš. And while I don't know how you have it in Slovakia, here in Czech Republic, Tom is quite often used as a short version for Tomáš.
But you have shown there is a single action there :P
I want to purchase good condition auction sell, because I have already applied for gun license, may I know price of equation of Indian money
Anyone else think the trigger bar assy is simple and classy? Don't let Royal Nonesuch see it!
Might have sold more of them if he put sights on them.
interesting trigger
the gun Wonder Woman carries
Looks like a Seecamp.
Hey cool. I'm getting Tom and Jerry episodes at my side.
Pretty interesting concept for the magazine- it gets around the awkwardness of the heel release at least.
Pretty nonsensical for a dinky pocket pistol like that though- if you´re carrying this then you don´t expect more than one or two crooks to assault you, and you don´t expect to dump a whole mag for it. So why you would need a fast reload system for this i dunno.
Holy crap, these are REALLY rare.
I find it funny that these weapons don't have any sights. Must have been point blank range self defense guns only.
i would've bought it
Weiner waffle fabric??
with that logo someone might think it was somehow related to the World Wrestling Federation
+Max Silva You got that right brother!
nutnfancy ould like this, also super tactical clip reload M1 Garand style (manual version).