Watch Dogs Legion: PlayStation 5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S - Graphics, Performance, Ray Tracing!
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Alex Battaglia is your guide as we check out the graphical features, performance, resolution and ray tracing capabilities of Watch Dogs Legion running on all three of the next generation consoles. And between PS5 and Series X? Let's just say it's very, very close...
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ok but please measure input latency
Even the Dirt 5 video you uploaded 4 days ago is not even in 4k, the hell's happening with youtube?
upload somewhere else too
also older videos you upload are still in 1080p.... like cold war , demon souls....... please fix it
Dirt 5 still no 4k : ( c'mon youtube.
They should add an option to turn off ray tracing so we can have 60fps instead.
Its lazy from ubisoft
Yup. I was very disappointed when I ran the game on the Series X and saw it was 30. To be VERY honest, I could hardly tell the difference between the game running on my One X and the Series X because of 30fps. The Ray Tracing is barely even noticeable.
@@immyandrobbo I think they'll add it if enough people request it.
@@aetiusg Damn that really sucks, really hoping they can give us options
Love the profile pic
Tbh very disappointed because of the lack of 60 fps mode.
Assassin creed Valhalla is getting a graphics and performance patch and I think they will do the same here as well ,, for some reasons am not impressed by Ray tracing currently implemented in games
@@mohammedsadeq5392 it looks nice butni use the 60fps every time on demon souls and spider man. And 120 on dirt
@@mohammedsadeq5392 Vahalla already had 60fps. It's the 30fps that's been added, not 60.
you shouldn't be surprised this is ubisoft after all
@@maxb9480 for legion?
They should give an option to turn Ray tracing off for 60fps
Can't be good for competitive gaming.
@@stuporman So, you would rather get immersion breaking screen space reflections?
@@stuporman Most people dont notice reflections until they compare it to real life. Screen space reflections look like dog shit compared to what we see with ray tracing.
@9ine9ine1ne stoopid Not even RTX 3090, currently 4000€ graphics card, can run this game at 120fps with ray tracing.
@9ine9ine1ne stoopid Lol no, but the consoles could have 3 modes, 4K 30fps with RT, 1080p-1440p 60fps with low RT settings and 1440p-2160p 60fps with no RT.
And if we're talking about 120fps then they'd have to drop the resolution down to 720-900p probably but no developers gonna do that.
The 3 modes I mentioned are doable if done correctly by Ubisoft
I wish there was an option to turn off the raytracing, and get higher res and/or 60fps.
Same
I don't think this is going to happen. Programing with RT is a lot easier; I would expect more and more next-gen games will only have RT.
@@LWShen If RT steals 60 fps from this gen. I will be pissed.
@@LWShen that’s really dumb. Especially for a huge triple A studio. They should 100% be able to have an option to turn it off.
only way to accomplish that is to not buy 30 fps games. Gamers have been screaming about it for years and it's time devs hear.
So you each have a Nemesis now?
Alex - WD Legion
John - Tomb Raider
Richard - Arkham Knight
Then Crysis opens the gate ...
isnt John's nemesis Lichdom Battlemage ?
Richard's was The Witcher. He was literally called Witchard for awhile.
@@yagokain4189 No, I think you mean *L I C H D O M B A T T L E M A G E*
Richards' is the Witchard 3: Wild Hunt
7:10 laws of physics be damned
This game ain't normal
While GTA got that right a decade ago
Lmaooooo
cheap fucking game
Well, that's ubisoft game for ya
This is clearly a current gen game spat out onto next gen consoles. Even the load times are underwhelming
Yeah, We have benchmarks now with two games made for new hardware. Demon's souls and Miles Morales. I will judge every new game compared to those two that basically has no loading except for the little time that it takes to boot the games up.
Agreed, played this on ps5 and feel underwhelmed.
@@Humanoid1975 Are you playng on a 4k tv/monitor? i'm currently playng on a 1080p on PS5 and onestly the graphic is sometimes good but mostly in open world areas(daytime) and RT, especially on cars, looks like shit.
I wonder if on a 4k tv/monitor it looks bettere because right now between all the PS5 games(Demon's,Spiderman Miles and Remastered,Valhalla,Immortals Fenyx) is the only one that feels old gen both in terms of graphics and performance.
PS: Demon's Souls and Spiderman just "ruin" my eyes because they are so gorgeus that now everything else compared feels old
@@Mens_Rea agreed, apart from the visuals the game just feels clunky and completely empty. I’m not even going to start on the accents! Am also playing cod zombies which looks amazing on ps5. Am playing on 4K tv but not at 120hz. Can’t wait to see what they can do with the hardware this gen and hope it’s not just ray tracing in puddles! 😂
@@Mens_Rea I started playing legion on a 49 inch 4k tv on a base ps4 and it looked blurry to all hell and the performance was ok, then got a ps5 and dear me everything looked so much clearer and better
The most impressive thing about these consoles is honestly the performance they offer at their price point, especially compared to PCs.
Edit: this wasn't even a bait comment and I still got angry gamers in the replies lmao
Exclusives are always the most impressive thing about consoles...xbox forgot about that and is chasin money instead
@Paul are you sure about that?
@@ddp5406 Definitely, with 23 studios and 50 teams..
Yeah man - I've spent 3k on my gaming PC and stopped at an RTX 2080. It's 1440p max and doesn't run raytracing that we'll... £450 for my series X and £1800 for my LG OLED does show some value but the gap is closing
no not really when they can't beat a 2060s lmfao
The goal should always be 60 fps. 1440p would be fine!
For sure! With the improving reconstruction and upscaling tech, 60 and 120fps should be the norm
@@Georgecostanza21 Good luck getting 60fps with ray tracing on in this game.
@@Georgecostanza21 Its developers not the console
deamon souls and godfall are running at 1440p 60 temporally upscaled to 4k. i hope more current gen games follow this standard rather than native 4k 30.
locked 1440p would be okay for 1440p monitors, for 4k tvs it's terrible, dynamic or checkerboard res would be fine for everyone.
60fps needs to be a standard requirement...no exceptions
the market will decide.
Should certainly always be an option.
@Worldchamp 12 it’s still 4K upscaled
@Worldchamp 12 Here you are again burger boy. McDonald's is calling.
and some console peasants arguing that PS5 / XsX equal to $2000 PC 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sony, Microsoft : We can go up to 120fps !!
Ubisoft : Lets do smooth 30fps...
and don't forget their basket of bugs and glitches!
and some console peasants arguing that PS5 / XsX equal to $2000 PC 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@saputrasaputra3347 They are very powerful to be honest.
@@saputrasaputra3347 it’s not down to hardware dude, these consoles could easily handle this game at 60fps, it’s Ubisoft that’s fucken lazy and won’t add the option
😂
Of course Ubisoft is the first one to fail to include any options for 60 fps...
They rush their games to be the first one on the new generation of consoles. And they put out sub par games every time. They need to take their time from designing to implementation.
But also Rainbow Six Update coming Dec 1st to enable 120fps mode... So something good at least.
Watch dogs was meant to show off RTX while Valhalla was meant to show off performance.
@Callum O'connor yeah the game feels a lot better at 60 fps, it really changes a lot
It’s a launch game. These things can be added.
This game is just a benchmark already, only 1 month and it's 50% off
Its $30 at beat buy right now.
@Amit V Hell ya. You can't go wrong with Ghosts of Tsushima.
Cuz it’s rlly not a gd game and is not selling enough copy’s
Because it is a garbage, GTA 5 wanks on it all over
@@kigasdj2 this game is garbage youre right.n
So the series X and PS5 versions basically look and perform the same with ray tracing, and all next gen versions hit their performance targets. That's awesome!
It's great we can choose which system we prefer without worrying about the power differential
Pixel pero inch is higher on series x a bit, and ps5 loads faster a bit that’s it.
@@jimbob4372 these are launch games, and the XSX dev kits came out later, once devs start using the full RDNA 2 feature set and have more time with the XSX dev kits we will see the XSX versions of multiplat games pull ahead of what the PS5 can do, also many tech sites are saying the issues the PS5 are having are due to the overclocking, this might mean Sony will have to downgrade the systems to stop these issues so DF will need to comeback and run these comparisons again once the PS5 systems stop bricking themselves
@@Valhura77 keep telling yourself that 🤡
@@Valhura77 Keep saying that
After playing a few games on ps5 in 60fps I don think I can take 30 anymore in a fast paced game
Trust me i sacrificed resolution all together for FPS and RT on Spiderman and Demons Souls and the same goes for AC Valhalla. It's really a shame to see a next gen game on a next gen console where every other game runs at 60fps this one runs at 30... Add the fucking option already. I bought the game and it's just sitting there because of it...
If so you will be have huge problems in the future ;)
@@RaouTV Ugh i wish they had a current Xbox Spiderman. The old 360 one was sweet.
Bro sammme!!!
Phil Spencer lied to you
That's the only thing he's good at, since 2014 he's been telling everyone to wait for next year rinse and repeat
Kkkk True!
Yep Series X is not outperforming PS5 and Series S is more like a 1080p console not 1440p.
9:36 Jeez. The character models look so weird, like they're made out of rubber.
Madam tussauds wax models. Actually madam tussauds models look good
Ubisoft never give you a polished game. They usually work on stupid game mechanics that’s not even fun.
That's because every character is playable!
It feels like that awful automatic facial animation that RPGs use
that's just typical ubisoft
I’m literally just waiting for the 2021/22 era of games.
That’s when you’re really going to notice how much powerful the Series X is. But the pro versions of each will be releasing them also.
Xbox users have no choice they gotta wait for games and also performance issues - phil Spencer
@SWAT Kats based
@@shootertone5644 only Dirt has a performance issue on the Xbox. PS5 has a bug on COD. And Xbox won DMC. AC: Valhalla is getting a patch. It’s really the games tbh. They weren’t truly made for the these consoles, they just got “enhanced” which makes them buggy. Quite simple to understand.
@SWAT Kats hmm any other talking points you’re gonna completely forget about in a couple months? Lmao you guys are parrots
Why on Earth are these consoles limited to 30fps? That's ridiculous.
rushed game development. it's ubisoft
Dirt 5 and DMC5 both have a 120fps mode, so it has nothing to do with the consoles
30fps in itself isn't the issue, it's that this game should be running way better than that.
@@lum26akua28 Agreed. I don't have an issue with 30fps if it's stable. But Watch Dogs is a last gen game, it should easily hit 60fps even with RT on these consoles.
@@fcukugimmeausername
The same is true even with Valhalla. That game is much better than this one, yet the drops in frame rate and resolution are still nonsensical. Optimization is the name of the game, and it ain't here.
Imagine what the next few years will bring once devs fully optimise their games...
Well don't expect much from Ubisoft
I can't wait to see what's cooking in Naughty Dogs kitchen for the PS5
You'll get dynamic/full 4K 30 fps with Raytracing or dynamic 4K 60 fps without Raytracing
Pick your poison
@@gomez7655 Uncharted 5 or a new ip?
Optimise them? Optimise them for what? These consoles aren't some obscure architecture. The PS5 doesn't have an Emotion Engine or CELL Broadband Engine. At their core both consoles are X86 PC hardware. There's really little to no new programming tricks to be learned, almost all of the performance that could be squeezed out of these consoles already is being. Look at the PS3 launch titles and compare them to the later years, none of them compare to The Last of Us. Meanwhile the Xbox One got one of the best looking titles it would ever get day 1 with Ryse Son of Rome.
Both look awesome! However still dissapointed with 30 fps
Ray tracing
I think they look poor for a 30fps game. The raytracing looks rather poor.
@Worldchamp 12 these consoles hit 60 fps and even 120 fps on many cross gen games. Unlike ps4 and xbox one these next Gen machines are very similar to high end PCs. Ubisoft probably didn't want to do a lot of work in optimizations
@@DeadPhoenix86DP not with Ray tracing the next gen consoles don't have an option turn it off with this game so it cuts your frames in half when enabled
@@eldenrace1489 there isn't a single AAA game, that I have at least seen yet, that runs at stable 120fps on the consoles
After many attempts over the past couple of weeks, I finally managed to get a PS5!! Whoooohooo!
Congrats mate, now be cautious of the delivery timeframe because porch pirates are on the loose big time
Congratulations
Thanks for the heads up. I had to do store pickup because Walmart was selling in-store stock. Shipping was not an option which is how I think Walmart combatted the bots, so real consumers like me could have a chance
Lucky😭🙏
Congratulations fellow gamer! I put myself on a wait list for a local EBGames (Canada's version of gamestop) for a Series X and ones came in for me the very next day last weekend. Super pumped! Game on brother!
I really like the raytraced reflections, but i'm not really convinced that they really add enough of an upgrade to warrant 30 fps. For as awesome as the technology is, nothing I've seen of it would make me choose it over a 60 fps option.
sad since insomniac's spider-man 2 is open word ray tracing and is 60 fps puts this game to shame.
A crossgen title already WITHOUT 60fps? Oh God, here we go again...
Thankfully it's the exception and not the norm.
Go ubisoft!
a *UBISOFT* title. So don't take it as a standard. Take it as the bottom of the well absolute garbage zero optimization scenario. From that perspective both next gen consoles are amazing.
Not many like this, but there still will be the odd game that goes for a more graphics over performance style, especially if it has Ray Tracing. I LOVE High fps so I am excited so many games run at 60 now and some even 120fps! (DIRT 5, COD and The Falconer)
We both know your PC can't run it at 60 fps with raytracing either.
Driving through London at more than 10mph? Games have got a long way to go to achieve realism...
7:14 That YT compression is awful :(
Racing games and youtube videos can't get together, the whole Dirt 5 video is like this...
Leaves are a youtube nightmare at high speeds
having RT playable on Series S is pretty incredible.
@SWAT Kats which entry level gpus havr rt cores and how much do they cost?
Sacrificing other things like resolution and general picture quality. No, better take off RT from Xbox S.
Series s is the biggest joke
But look how bad it looks and at 900p. Raytracing shouldn't be on it tbh.
The series S is garbage
60 fps > low res RT reflections. 60 FPS and fast loading times in open world games is what will define this generation.
Ultra RT + 60 FPS + 1080p > Low RT + 30 FPS + 4k Dynamic
@@Yoidze Forget it. PS5 and Series X don't have enough ray accelerators to handle Ultra RT at 60 FPS--not even at 1080p. If you want Ultra RT, buy a PC.
@@selohcin Good luck buying a PC that can handle 4k ultra raytracing without DLSS.
Will see RT lesser this gen / this RT games are juat tests for the new hardware. Maybe from next generation to see better improvements
Generation is out for less than a month and you think you know what defines this gen? Lol
Nobody interested in 30fps anymore. If Ubisoft continue making only 30fps, please quit the gaming industry and stop insulting next gen consoles.
gotta go with that cinematic exp hahah
Very true
This eleven minute video has only been out for one minute & already has dislikes. Fanboys are freaking weird.
Sad isn't it? Didn't even watch it before disliking. Dislike button should be unlocked after the video is watched or a large portion of it
It also has likes from people who didn't watched it to be fair.
There's joy to be had in their meltdown
Happens to every video on you tube random dislikes. Only time it matters when dislike are higher than likes
That happens on literally every big channel. It doesn't have anything to do with ''fanboys''.
I gave up on Ubisoft games long ago, I just wanted to drive around London in 60 fps. But they keep making me dissapointed.
After having seen the ray traced reflections and the loading times on Miles Morales on PS5, I can't say I'm impressed by this game.
I agree. Miles Morales is pretty amazing. I really enjoy both performance and fidelity mode in that game. I wish dev will release a new mode - 1080p 60fps with ray tracing. I heard Imsomniac is considering this.
This is why 1st party games are important 💙
Miles morales still has better raytracing than this game and overall looks better but that’s nothing new
@@write2nick oh my God yes please, 1080p 60fps raytracing mode would be perfect
Yeah agree, MM is much more impressive than this.
AC Valhalla is getting a 60 fps patch on Series S. As a Playstation fan, I really congratulate ubisoft on acting on community's wishes! Have fun playing the game on 60 fps series s owners!
Finally someone without a toxic mind it seems! :)
👌
60 should be the minimum on next gen. If you can't hit that drop the resolution until you can.
Next Gen 30fps sideshows are just embarrassing.
Thank you man!
I was waiting for 60fps mode
Here is the summary:
Both PS5 and XSX run at nearly the same visual settings:
Same resolution & FPS
Same resolution for the reflections
Same texture resolution
Same shadow map resolution
Same geometric LOD distance
Same pixel count
PS5 PROS:
faster loading times
better anisotropic filtering (might be a bug)
PS5 CONS:
- some puddles are missing reflections in windows (might be a bug)
XBOX SERIES X CONS:
-slower loading times
-reduced anisotropic filtering (might be a bug)
I think it's ironic how the series X has no pros
10:22 I want this 60fps mode!!!
"Spider-man joke gone wrong" made me lmao
When did he say that?
@@harlenkelly7331 4:20
@@ItsBam93 nice
"Exagerrated swagger of black teen"
Cant get it out of my mind help
Every fanboy right now:
"PS5 and XSX versions identical?! Nooo! This cannot be! How can I attack the other platform now?! Two boxes sold at the same price cannot offer the same performance! Nooo!!!"
xD
The PS5 is cheaper though, if you get the digital version.
Also,.the Xbox is supposed to be more powerful isn't it? Shame it's not lmao
@@logitech4873 well then you have to end up paying more cause of the digital store
@@tzukishiro puddle-power xD
@@john-ek9gv Then you wait for sales, as big discounts aren’t exclusive to Steam like some PC players think.
I still find the loading, when you switch characters, offputting.
Its ubisoft tho
There is no reason they couldn't go with the spiderman underground train loading screen route, like have the npc you swapping to, pull up in a taxi loading screen type thing.
Man this ray tracing craze is getting to me. The other day I was driving on a rainy night, noticed all the car reflections on the road, and said ,"Damn that's good ray tracing." It took me a sec to just realize what just said 😂.
🤣
Lmao
Main takeaway: With identical settings, the Series X power cannot brute force the resolution higher than PS5. The power diference is nowhere to be seen.
Bore off fanboy. Liking your own comment? LMAO
Or can you imagine if devs wanted to have both versions to be identical? Crazy idea, isn't it?
@@UltraCasualPenguin They implemented identical settings to have both identical. But the resolution is dynamic, and was expected to be higher in XSX. but it is not.
Yup
bro it just 1 pixel difference 😂
Biggest differences...
•8sec faster load time on PS5
•PS5 no puddles but SeX does
•Pixel count is 1pt differential
•Currently no 60fps, but should be unlocked
Ps5 has a bit better Graphic
@@hulkadventure2880 xD, only for you.
this games start to have more reflections that real life
yeah I remember PS360 gen when everything was "In Bloom" and it was so overused. now new gimmick
Leave your moms basement and you might notice life is filled with reflections
Then they traced the rays wrong
@@Tony-yn5rr savage
It seems like the reflections are over done. I though that for a while, but then recently I was driving on a rainy gloomy day and the reflections were crazy lol. I though about watch dogs legion and then reconsidered my though
When I started the vid it sounded like he said "This video is sponsored by blackface" lol
Based Foundry
@@VargVikernes1488 nothing based about blackface, that's not that based means
@@satellite964 tell us what that means, I can't wait to hear.
The exaggerated swagger of a blackface teen
@@VargVikernes1488 Based? Based on what?
12 teraflops they said Lmaoooooooooooooooo, actually hilarious.
@Kattos _ he's a fanboy so there no making sense out of what he is saying.
World most powerful mini fridge 😆 🤣 😂 😹
@@dsidebotham you're laughing at your own joke?
@@AFterMath-ld1vr No you are the fanboy who got hurt by my comment. "12 teraflops, the Xbox will absolutely destroy PS5 on third party games". Meanwhile AC Valhalla with "optimized for XSX" on the cover runs better on PS5 lmao
@@herewego1067 I don't care what you said, it just what was said looks like a typical fanboy comment regardless if it's for PlayStation or Xbox.
I got both the PS5 & Series X so I just don't understand what's fun about bashing either.
I had no expectations for this game, and it stills disappoints
I expected it to suck and it’s still worse
Hahaha Ubisoft
@@bobs8005 yea, Watch Dogs doesn't know what to do with itself, the first game was the only one that I "liked", it had potential, they just needed to improve what they did there, better stories but the same athmosphere and ideas, instead they went all over the place and just throw any popular gaming thread in the gameplay, this time going into a kind of cyberpunk-wannabe
@FUCK YOU MARK SUCKERBERG AND GOOGLE ASSHOLE Ubisoft is like going to the worst restaurant in your neighborhoods. They have extensive menu but nothing tastes good. The chef just puts whatever things together in a plate. You can tell they don’t give a shit about your food since people are keep on coming.
@FUCK YOU MARK SUCKERBERG AND GOOGLE ASSHOLE Watchdogs 1 had extremely good car physics, then they ruined it in 2
so, no more 12 teraflops claim?
The 30fps lock in Watch Dog's Legions is simple, Both Valhalla and Legions are MS marketed games and to ensure Series X would not get out performed by PS5 the developers aimed for parity. As a matter of fact, if it wasn't for the public out cry from console fans that Valhalla have a 60fps option it would also be set 30fps because THAT'S WHAT UBISOFT ORIGINALLY ANNOUNCED! So, if you want to know why this game doesn't have a 60fps mode...it's for parity between the PS5 and Xbox Series X. Performance on Valhalla between PS5 and Series X would have also been the same if developers were not forced to push them up to a 60fps target.
The extra teraflops from series x were used to load that puddle
Ps5 lack that😷
Lol
And the "super fast" ssd from ps5 loads 7 seconds faster wow lol
And yet every game runs better on PS5... buhuu poor xbox got even beaten 2:1 by PS5 sales. Oh the tears
@@exon576 xbox doesn't care about sales, it never has. Ps3 outsold xbox 360 but even so the xbox 360 was miles and miles better than ps3 at the time.
Makes me laugh how every video where the xbox isn't significantly better it "must be a bug" that's 4 comparisons in a row now.
We're still at launch. I'd like to see where things are at 6 months to 1 year from now.
Whats ur point? He said the exact same for puddles in PS5 version
Yeah... And XSX performing at a solid 60fps with RT on CoD Cold War and PS5 droping to 40fps is a win for Sony. 🥱
@@dannolest1409 Because they advertise it as "most powerful console ever" and have it plastered all over buildings/tv adverts/youtube and everywhere they can put the xbox. And yet it's not anymore powerful, it's currently slightly below to the "weaker" ps5. It just feels like xbox was rushed out the door or it's just not as powerful as the marketing is making it out to be. You can't have 4 games in a row with 4 different AAA studios and it all be a bug. Unless there's something significantly wrong with the xbox hardware, for something that's meant to be 20% more powerful it's a bit of lie.
As someone with a business degree I REALLY hate false marketing. I can't stand companies who advertise something that's just not true. Especially when people don't have that much money at the moment so spending $500 is a big decision and I just think it's a bit of a disgrace that people will buy the xbox expecting it to look significantly better, when in reality it's no better looking at all.
They did the same shit last gen with the built in kinect and always online bullshit that "couldn't be removed" and then about a week after launch they removed it. I'm just fed up of them lying to their customers.
Same shit with Stadia "more power than xbox and ps4 combined" and yet the games look worse. Just tricking people into spending their money for less of a product than the competition.
@@Moh-ib2zp Of course both will end up better optimised over time. But when the ps4 demolished the xbone in sales last gen because the xbone launch was a gigantic failure, this launch time is really important. How many reviews is it going to be where "it must be a bug that it's not performing better" before people give up buying them and swap sides.
Almost everyone I know who brought an xbox 1 ended up regretting it and buying a ps4 and either selling their xbox or just let it gather dust. That's really not a good thing, and this launch isn't looking good either. There's no exclusive titles as everythings been delayed a few years, some of the games are in REALLY big trouble like Halo and Vampire and now "the worlds most powerful console" turns out to either be really buggy that AAA devs can't develop for, or it's just not as well designed as they are marketing it as.
That's what has me worried. I want xbox to do well, but not do well based off false advertisement. You just can't advertise your shit as "most powerful" and it not be true. I just can't stand it, I have the same problem with Stadia. Stadia is actually cool tech, but it's a lie the way they advertise it.
Anyone remember cartridge games when you just inserted and played and didn't bother yourself with FPS lag delay ping jitter upload/download etc etc etc etc? Now you have to be a pc specialist to play
$400 minimum buy in for this experience looks pretty much unbeatable.
You can't even buy a 2080 for less than $500 today and you're getting a full system plus controller. Amazing.
and some console peasants arguing that PS5 / XsX equal to $2000 PC 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@saputrasaputra3347 Too bad at 2k you get severe diminishing returns on performance in gaming making it pointless.
So there is not need to go that high because I'm a lot of cases, such as using SLI, you get nothing in return or in many cases, Less Performance. You could argue in pure cpu performance leveraging zen 2, 16gb of system memory and a custom ssd, which no amount of money will get you anything like it on pc, in terms of gaming can be comparable to it.
It's not far fetched. Many 2k pcs have zen2, like the ps5, have high end gpus, like the ps5, performance similar like the ps5.
In terms of next gen games however, they have a point. Nothing a 2k pc can do is going to play Spiderman or demon souls today.
A 2k pc today CANNOT play them, they aren't as fast as the ps5 in terms of loading in data assets. A 2k pc in essence, is too slow for ps5 games. Isn't that hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
@@saputrasaputra3347 yea it's hilarious because the ps5 destroys any $2k PC
No 60 fps option for consoles? Yeah, that's a no from me dawg.
No 60 fps, no next gen.
@@user-ze4hy2po5i Well, almost all of my early gaming on SNES and Game Boy Advance was on 60 fps (or, in case of SNES, on 50 fps PAL). Metroid Prime was flawless 60 fps (also on PAL), same as Super Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart Wii and others which stand the test of time because of their high frame rates and their great art design. 60 fps is becoming the standard for console gaming AGAIN.
@@user-ze4hy2po5i Actually,Most of the games Are Implementing 60fps As a common For these consoles But Some Studios Are Just Too lazy Too implement 60fps on there Games
ps5 seems sliiiightly better not much of a difference between both great vid
No, XSX is slightly better , performs better in reflection and displays a bit more pixels per inch than PS5
@@edubogota1 bro you’re a fanboy I’ve already seen you in the comments being a fanboy you did not watch the video he already said the puddles were a bug deprecating the two consoles and graphics were better on the ps5😂
@@edubogota1 is that what 12tflops got you?
They look the same... But dualsense and loading times are the differences
dont forget reflected puddles!!....the true nemesis of Sony
@@garyhay6991 I found them all over miles morales when I played on fidelity mode so this is surprising 😂😂
Believe me. At the end graphics won't matter. It's the DualSense that will give gamers some new and fresh experiences. All these fanboys talking shit about %10 better graphics are just stupid kids. No one pays so much attention to graphics. It's the DualSense that will distinguish the consoles.
@@ohwow2074 MS, Nintendo, Amazon, Google etc can all release a peripherla like a controller with plenty of whizz bang features are any point in time. Whats in the console is in the console.
@@garyhay6991 sure thing... The difference is that ALL ps5s have dualsense, so all nextgen games have those features implemented
Kinda embarrassing to release a 30fps game in this new gen, considering how every single PS5 game I've played is 60-120fps
Why is no one talking about how this game now runs at 60fps. digital foundry please do another video on this one
Looks like PS5 is the best place to play the multiplatform games.
I don't know why people buy Xbox? If the had a good computer.....
PS5 either draws or wins. But it's undefeated in these comparisons so far. And then we have the exclusives.
Looks that way currently. Difficult to be sure why.
Microsoft released dev kits very late to the community compared to Sony. I suspect that the multiplatform performance will end up a draw, or the Series X might edge ahead.
@Alaa eddine Abdelkader no it didn't lmfao, it's been officially confirmed playstation has had it for over a year, stop pulling stuff our of your ah
@@Bergerac82 I don’t think so. Many devs said they came far before the hardware came so they had a real head start in the next gen game development. Also they said it was like the Xone a lot so they started real quick because it was so much the same. People that prefer Xbox always use devkits as an excuse, but it isn’t cuz the devs themselves said so. I think series x is also good though no doubt about that, but once again, ps dominates
So basically they are the same. The PS5 loads the game up a bit faster and thats it. Fanboys should shut the hell up and go back to their basements.
Thank you lol.
And stay virgins 😂
@@mohammedsadeq5392 😂😂😂😂
Same but PS5 as 1 additional year of optimization with Sony’s devkit, soooo...
@@xPenitentOne as an Xbox fans both systems are great, but the fanboys unfortunately can’t accept that for some reason ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
why when every game that that has better detail on ps5 than xbox series x they say its a bug if thats the case then xbox is broken what happen to those 2 extra TFLOPS????
They say cause its a bug.. They didn't say that in cold war in the video.. But after some time on twitter while testing they said that its a bug.. It is what it is
Bruh tflops don’t matter they just say they have 12 t flops but they never brag about it and every game your high the game has 1 more pixel map on series x and that’s all
@@migueltovar2028 Given that the PS5's architecture is not better than the Series X's, teraflops DO matter, and matter even moreso now since CPUs are more efficient than before.
Most people are guessing that devs have not been able to fully take advantage of the Series X's hardware yet
Edit: I meant to say GPUs are more efficient in regard to TFlops, not CPUs
@@Brisingr73 *CPU*
3.5 Ghz vs 3.8 Ghz (+2.3% for XSX)
*RAM*
448GB vs 336GB + 560GB (22% PS5 on 3.5 GB and +22% XSX on 10GB) (impact/results of this still unknown)
*SHADER COMPUTE*
10.2TF vs 12.2TF (+16.7% XSX)
*GPU CLOCK* (this is important because it's tied to the speed of all GPU caches and other components in the GPU)
2.23 Ghz vs 1.8Ghz (+21% PS5)
*GPU TRIANGLE RASTER* (billions/s)
8.92 vs 7.3 (+20% PS5)
*GPU CULLING RATE* (billions/s)
17.84 vs 14.6 (+20% PS5)
*GPU PIXEL FULL RATE* (Gpixels/s)
142 vs 116 (+20% PS5)
*GPU TEXTURE FILL RATE* (Gtexels/s)
321 vs 379 (+16% XSX)
*SSD RAW*
5.5GB vs 2.4GB (+78% PS5)
As you can see, there are areas that the PS5 has advantage, its just that these areas are usually dismissed because none of the companies really talks about them since it's easier to market "TF"s. But TFs are just one part of a render pipeline as you can see above. And everything you can do faster along that pipeline, means you finish the specific task faster.
There is also the fact that having a higher clocked GPU means that the PS5's GPU caches are faster. That potentially increases effective memory bandwidth.
And i have only listed all the on-paper stuff, and not any of the custom stuff like the IO complexion of the PS5 or the tempest engine. All things thar handle tasks that are otherwise done by CPU freeing up CPU cycle on the PS5. Most people dismiss stuff like this because they dont understand them. Bt these things all play a role in what ends up on our screens.
@@Brisingr73 and its obvious that devs dont know full capabilities of both series x and ps5.. And series s too somewhat..
The and anisotropic filtering bug has been fixed on Xbox Series X. And since the latest patch the frame rate is almost a solid 30fps in the stress points. I bought the game over the holidays during the Christmas sale from the Xbox store and I have been really enjoying the game to my surprise. I was confident that I would like the game based on trailers and gameplay I've watched so I purchased it. And I'm glad that I did. I've been very impressed with the ray tracing and that it's on a console is very cool.
Poorly optimized game by Ubisoft as usual.
These consoles seems to be really something, and by next year we will see their full potential with real next gen games
Ubisoft for u
I'd give another year than that for Ubisoft. They are always the slowest. Expect Frostbite to catch up quicker.
So a completely locked 30fps, is poorly optimized? That sounds like what they should be aiming for if they cant do 60fps because they wanted RT
@@imo098765 The game lacks a lot of other stuff. It has basicly 0 fluid physics despite using the engin of the last watchdogs game.
I doubt we will see the full potential a year from now, but there most likely will be dramatic improvements.
Launch games always tend to be rushed hack jobs, but I think especially this year due to COVID.
Not having a 60fps mode is so incredibly disappointing. Even if we were forced to turn ray tracing off (as we most certainly would be) and were locked to something like 1080p, I would take that over this 30fps any day of the week.
Yeah we need a 1080p/1440p 60fps mode with higher graphics settings
Lost interest the moment I found out there’s no 60fps mode.
Same
not playing a game just because its 30fps, thats sad...
@@waferboy2k7 pls do explain how’s that sad?
Ive been playing 30 fps games for like 30 years...i just bought a new tv, a ps5 and it costed me like 2500$ . i wanted that next gen feel/upgrade. 30 fps is a thing of the past man. Even the arcade board of space harrier of 1985 run at 60 hertz...were past the 30 fps games 35 years later ffs
@@BillardTournament Exactly. It’s nice that we have RT and all the graphical upgrades, but I’d prefer to feel the upgrades instead of seeing it. Just my preference tho, and I’m sure the vast majority feels the same way.
Great to see both the PS5 and Series X performing well. While the ray tracing looks great, I would rather have 60fps over RT.
Like Alex mentioned in the video, it’s interesting to see the extra power of the Series X not being used. I’m interested to know if it’s the dev kits being behind or developers wanting parity.
It is not the developers ''wanting parity''. Why? Because third party games run better on the ps4 and on the xbox one x. Developers will push the console as far as they can.
Consoles should ditch ray tracing until they have a fully working DLSS implementation
For sure. There is some thing more to be desired. I get frame rate drops and crashes when I’m playing Cold War with rtx on (ps5). I heard this is happening with series x as well. I don’t think 4K 60fps with ray tracing will happen until DLSS has been fully implemented. The expectation should be more like 1080p 60fps with rtx.
@@write2nick exactly, nice reflections and shadows are not noticeable though the main gameplay
Hence why they should focus on the higher FPS
I’m sure DLSS will soon be available on consoles since amd is working on DIRECTML
Amd's rtx as a whole is lacking
@@Allpurple_reign can’t argue with that
I was surprised myself why consoles did not partner with nvidia since they’ve been killing it in the ray tracing scene
@@Allpurple_reign AMD are going to hate it that everyone calls Ray Tracing RTX. RTX is Nvidias brand name of their cards & it's features. It's doesn't mean ray tracing but everyone uses the term like it does lol. Great marketing by Nvidia.
Great coverage as always Alex, the game looks great but I cannot say the same about the storyline and gameplay.
Looking forward to that 60fps mode
I wish we could have skipped ray tracing entirely and focused exclusively on framerate>resolution.
At first I was excited about ray tracing and thought I would only play with ray tracing on and then I realized I liked frame rate way better so I agree
I prefer ray tracing it just looks better to me
@@ItsBam93 really? Over a good frame rate? 30 fps and ray tracing is better to you then 60 fps and maybe a upscaled image to 4K?
@@JT-qj2lj it depends on the game really,some games i dont mind playing on 30 fps while others i need to
@@JT-qj2lj Yeah I wanna see how far we can get to real life
Games NEED to have a 60fps mode this gen, otherwise what’s the point? At 30fps I can play these games all the same on my ps4 or the one x, puddles and windows can do without reflections if it means I get 60fps.
Something I'm curious about is which Raytracing features are generally the most demanding? CoD went for Shadows which had to be disabled on the Series S but this game goes for reflections which are available on S at the same framerate as X and PS5.
The reflection of the building on the blue car was better on XSX
9:39 It's nice to see Eivor made it into two Ubisoft games this year.
Is it me or does the original Watch_Dogs trailer from E3 many years ago still look better than what Legion does on next gen consoles? You know, the one that supposedly ran on PS4 but didn't.
It feels sluggish at 30fps. Raytracing adds nothing 'wow'. Without the Raytracings it could be on ps4. Nothing next gen here.
It is on ps4, its a cross gen title and its UBISOFT, the perfect recipe for poor optimization.
@@juanrolandodelarosa1550 But it has next gen requirements.
Lol you're an idiot. Spiderman is better at 30 fps. The ray tracing is 100% worth it in any game that's based in a city
@@HugoStiglitz88 as worth as 60fps?
@@HugoStiglitz88 input lag is soo terrible with ray tracing on I just can’t play like that
60 frames or GTFO!
So the S underperforms the 3, and the X and the PS5 are evenly matched, until you remember the PS5s superior controller. The dynamic two stage trigger on guns is so nice!
Because Ps5 is Smart that's why they performed the same. Xbox has more Power in Paper but mean nothing to Ps5
4:15 missing details on ps5 rt reflections
@@OG.Pancho.Villa. it's a bug will be fixed in update even digital foundery said
@@hogman3543 yea, you're right. The lower pixel count on ps5 is probably also just a bug.
@@OG.Pancho.Villa.Yes you're right. And the lower FPS on serie X is probably also just a bug too.
@@OG.Pancho.Villa. Where did they say that the ps5 has a lower pixel count? I dont want to search the whole vid for it lol
La compression youtube est vraiment horrible sur cette vidéo !
I guess I’m most impressed by the Series S in all of these videos so far. For all the bugs that seem to be present in the flagships... that thing seems to be the most solid in spite of its limitations.
Still impressive this game runs with raytrcing on a Series S. Great little console.
Ubisoft is the "uncle" in the family that nobody likes, but has to put up with.
In my family its an aunt, but same sentiment. Lol.
Why do you have a racist name and caricature as a pfp?
Ubisoft, we demand a 60FPS mode.
Except "we" dont. As long as they keep selling well why would they risk changing anything? It sucks but the vast majority of console gamers don't watch videos like these or care about the details as long as it looks pretty.
@@RepublicofODLUM why would you not want the OPTION to have 60fps or quality mode
@@Heppsxd Because some people don't know how to even change settings from "Fidelity" & "Performance"
@@theknightftw1 That is BULLSHIT.
@Rowen Thomas maybe I wasn't clear, I absolutely want 60fps to be the minimum frame rate. Sonys first party games seem to be great at this, almost always giving the option of resolution or performance which is perfect and makes everyone happy. I was merely saying that the unfortunate truth is the console market doesnt seem to care about this kinda technical stuff.
Could you explain sometime in a video how you measure some of the stuff you talked about? Like specifically how you determine exact resolutions and what the 93/100 vs 94/100 pixels part was referring to?
94% of 2160p for example. In GPU intensive scenes, the resolution drops.
They released a video explaining how they do pixel counting at one point in the past.
You can see it as % of X or Y native 4K resolution, anyway I don't like it!
This is truth. There are bunch of reasons that PS5 outperforms Xbox seriesX
CPU 3.5Ghz vs 3.6Ghz ( +2.3% for XSX)
RAM 448GB vs 336GB + 560GB (+22% PS5 on 3.5GB and +22% XSX on 10GB)
SHADER COMPUTE 10.2TF vs 12.2TF ( +16.7% XSX)
GPU CLOCK (this is important because it's tied to the speed of all GPU caches and other components in the gpu)2.23Ghz vs 1.8Ghz ( + 21% PS5)
GPU TRIANGLE RASTER (billions/s)8.92 vs 7.3 ( +20% PS5)
GPU CULLING RATE (billions/s)17.84 vs 14.6 ( +20% PS5)
GPU PIXEL FILL RATE ( Gpixels/s)142 vs 116 ( +20% PS5)
GPU TEXTURE FIL RATE (Gtexels/s)321 vs 379 ( +16% XSX)
SSD RAW5.5GB vs 2.4GB ( + 78% PS5)
The game is already on sale, which tells me it didn't do as good as Ubisoft had hoped. I would wager a guess and say it was the lack of 60fps on the Series X and PS5.
As a pc gamer who is gonna buy a console after 14 years..I will probably go with ps5 even tho I have to wait till summer next year
You seem to diagnosed with smart. Btw good choice mate. Enjoy Miles Morales, SP remastered and all the exclusives from Ps plus collection. More to come, Rachet and Clank Rift Apart, Forbidden West and holy Raganorok!!!!😋😋
Great choice, Series X is useless for PC gamers
10:23 awww so good, need 60fps.
Seems to me that developers still have a lot to learn about these new consoles. Remember Oblivion on the 360, and how shitty it looked compared to Skyrim on the same system years later? Just give it some time and these devs will unlock the full potential of these consoles.
To be honest you're not even wrong because look at demon's souls that's the prettiest game in the market and that's a launch title 1st party developers for Sony made because they knew what they were doing with the console so imagine 3rd party games in a year or 2 in the series x and PS5 if they look anywhere near as good a demon souls were in for a treat.
@TheOsmodius Oblivion was a complete buggy mess with frame rate issues aswell. But ran fine once they finally released a patch
@Cryer24597 The art style was better I agree, but technically and graphically Skyrim was far more impressive.
its so funny that in a generation of 60 fps. that is when ubisoft can finally hold 30fps.
they're catchinhg up finally... lol in 20 years they'll finally be able to make games that run at stable 60 fps
And here I was thinking 30fps wasn't going to be a thing this generation.
Really?
These launch titles aside, you don't think devs will always push for graphics over framerate later in the generation?
30 FPS will always be a thing not because they are weak it’s a developer decision for one two some games don’t need more than 30 FPS
I mean it's already the minority as apposed to the majority like it was only a few months ago. They should put the option in this though seeing ac val can do 60fps.
@@chasethechosenone8478 Thank you! I completely agree with you, people get too hung up on the number, obviously shooters and racing games shouldn't aim lower than 60 fps, but some single player games don't need to be at 60, a stable 30 with imersive visuals can be way more effective in some games.
It hasn't been a thing for about 95% of games released. I'm surprised this one doesn't offer it, and I think they'll patch it, similar to how Ubi just patched Valhalla to add a 30fps quality mode to go with its 60fps mode.
Digital foundry is the perfect channel, always so in depth and never speculative.
if the verdict is exactly the same, it means the ps5 won, because it doesn't claim to be 20% better or 'world's most powerful console'
Exactly lol. Believe me. At the end graphics won't matter. It's the DualSense that will give gamers some new and fresh experiences. All these fanboys talking shit about %10 better graphics are just stupid kids. No one pays so much attention to graphics. It's the DualSense that will distinguish the consoles.
4:15 not exactly the same
The 30fps lock in Watch Dog's Legions is simple, Both Valhalla and Legions are MS marketed games and to ensure Series X would not get out performed by PS5 the developers aimed for parity. As a matter of fact, if it wasn't for the public out cry from console fans that Valhalla have a 60fps option it would also be set 30fps because THAT'S WHAT UBISOFT ORIGINALLY ANNOUNCED! So, if you want to know why this game doesn't have a 60fps mode...it's for parity between the PS5 and Xbox Series X. Performance on Valhalla between PS5 and Series X would have also been the same if developers were not forced to push them up to a 60fps target.
@@OG.Pancho.Villa. u mean 4:22? Lol
@Jin Sakai you should expect load times to be faster on ps5 since its not loading as many details as xsx
We only want high graphics native rwsolution and 60! We don't want ray tracing!
Yeah!!!!They Should just Have gone with 1440p 60fps with Ultra Settings (No raytracing) But It's ubisoft so don't Expect A Proper Showcase of nex gen Hardware
The game looks old gen and next gen... so weird, so inconsistent 😂 It's Ubisoft, what can you say
It's the models and animations that's holding it back. The textures, lighting, Ray tracing and shadows look good though
It's basically 2021: Why are Devs still pedalling 30fps? It's ancient technology, reduce the resolution if needed.
Ubisofts thinking with the cross gen titles was that one would show off RTX (Watch Dogs) and the other would show off performance (Valhalla).
Ray tracing is even more overrated than HDR! Looks good but not enough if we’re playing at 30 fps. Is this a joke? Give us a 60fps mode, for God’s sake!!!
Agree, but hdr is huge in my opinion better than higher resolution, hdr does make a difference
HDR is underrated in my opinion.
@@MaxIronsThird true, I prefer that hdr be a standard over 4k in future, 4k is just higher resolution, hdr makes the visuals completely different
Completely agree. All this talk about ray tracing and im so unimpressed. If this is the main reason for the jump to next gen then its very underwhelming.
Its the only way thoses companies will sell their new 3D card...fact are many people dont care about raytracing. I could run mostly anything with a 1080ti without raytracing...they push us to buy thoses 120 hertz hdmi 2.1 tv. But they gives us games with 30 fps. Its innacceptable, 60 locked minimum this gen ;/
I'm really impressed with the Series S performance here. If this console can deliver on the same FPS and gfx settings as the bigger consoles but at a lower resolution, it could be a great bargain.
The lack of 60fps as a STANDARD for ALL modes in this generation so far is really disappointing.
It should be an option not the standard. When you compromise graphics, you boost frame rate and vice versa. Every next gen game I’ve seen thus far has had a 60 FPS option with the exception of this title.
The most powerful PC’s struggle with having consistent frame rates with extensive ray tracing enabled.
So far the majority of games have a 60fps or even 120fps option. I'd say 60fps is actually the norm as of now.
Have you seen some of the RX 6800 XT vs RTX 3080 numbers though? With RT enabled, at 4K or even just 1440p... there are plenty of games where the RX 6800 XT will struggle to hit or stay above 30 FPS whereas the RTX 3000 series hits 75-100% better FPS, and keep in mind that the Series X/PS5 are basically a super cut down version of the RX 6800 (non-XT) with less CUs and within the APU package. If they did away with ray tracing then they could hit 60+ FPS just fine
@@TheFirstRealChewy yeah its night and day compared to ALL of last gen so far and we're only a few weeks in.
For what I can clearly see in all previous comparison videos- not just this one,, Always Ps5 with the better picture quality,, then the xbx..Clearly visible ' my question to you is that don't You observe this as well?..
And also when you are speaking of tracing Shadow and tracing light^ can you always have the frame rate and resolution displayed visible at all time..
Thanks for good work.
I'm just happy that I can get essentially the same experience on Series X/PS5 on most games!
On old games for sure
@@JoseHernandez-ve8ym watch dogs legion and assassins creed Valhalla are both brand new games
@@JoseHernandez-ve8ym Unfortunately we can only play old games on xbox.
@@igorrafael5916 For now, but when the 23 studios Xbox has starts pumping out games it will be amazing.
@@xsoundofsil3ncex483 thoses look and play better on ps5 dude
Series X is always brighter. That's it. If you want an internally brighter game, you go with the Series X. If you want a game to feel darker, like night time on the streets, or a horror game, then you go with the PS5. I own both.
You’re talking shit lol