Not always the same. In full rendering mode on Mac cpu only lasts 2 hour tbh. AMD laptops can last longer and also have higher boost clocks than Mac,which can help in CAD workloads. AMD and apple uses TSMC node so that both have high efficiency. Some AMD models are pushed to 20hr . Some AMD model have CinebenchR23 scores same on battery.
OLED ,4nm GPU for gaming. Twice performance in CPU related workload if you want. Dual screen, egpu, ram SSD upgrade, repairable by ourself with minimum screws.
@@vmafarah9473 wdym by full rendering mode - like rendering an image in a raytracer? or viewport in CAD because i assume that lasts much longer than that no?
Am I the only one who notices its mainly RUclipsrs who claim the new M2 Pro Macbook Pros are "disappointing and unnecessary"? Like, if you had an old Intel Macbook and you decided to finally get a new M2 Pro MB this year, please don't think your MB is "disappointing and unnecessary". The people who keep saying this are the ones that have the luxury of upgrading their laptops every year and so they compare it to their M1 Pro's and don't like how little has changed.
i think it's simply because it's a minor incremental upgrade from M1 in most instances so better off saving the money. of course, from a Macbook Air standpoint the form factor is far more desirable for the M2 over the M1.
That's not how comparisons work. You don't compare a product to one multiple generations behind, you compare it to its predecessor. There is so little change between M1 and M2 that Apple really should not have released M2, it's a pointless machine. Then again this trend (near zero improvement) has been the same in mobile phones in the last few years, so yeah, it's just how market and capitalism works. But I do question the mental capacity of those people who upgrade yearly. Probably the same sort of people who buy products on launch.
@@kosztaz87 I'd agree most of your opinions. I don't get latest products every year, but I do buy products on launch if the improvement is attractive enough, because I only enjoy using a laptop for the first few years (definitely less than 4 years), the official discount for one-year-old apple product has never reached 25%, buying one on launch actually gives your the best value for the first year experience (I don't sell used products, I keep them). Especially when edu is 8% off on day 1, and if you have a friend working in Apple, 15% off (I literally have both).
Maybe, but I have seen too many people drop $3-4k on a MBP and all they do is browse the web/use an office suite. 90% of people that buy apple do so because it is cool (it is why a lot of boomers use apple). Lots of boomers larping as "creatives" or startup programmers.
Power consumption seems to be thrown under the bus in this video. If I'm going for a Windows based laptop, I'm probably looking for the a balance with power to watt. For laptop / mobile, that becomes important as well and there's a tacit understanding that balancing out means you won't have your cake and eat it. If I wanted to go for power, I'd go desktop. That's even more power for less cost and comes with more prospects of incremental hardware upgrades. You're going to be plugged into the mains to get the full stated specs from these laptops anyway (given that it doesn't thermal throttle) making the whole point of these laptops moot.
About power to watt, that depends. My office does hot-desking and we also work from home 2-3 days a week. During work hours, we're basically chained to the desk but our desk changes almost daily. This seems a norm especially in companies that allow work from home. So a power hog isn't that much of a concern since the laptop is plugged in most of the time.
The best thing about macbook is that i can go out with it leaving the charger do my work and come back home at the end of the day with 15-20% battery remaining.
Thank you for this video. Just one point : the price you gave for the Razer 16 is the base model, not the fully spec'ed one with the 4090 which goes up to $5k (as a MBP 16" maxed out). Nevertheless, these machines are really beasts... when plugged to the wall and if you don't care about the noise of fans. I'm a Mac and Windows laptops user, and the main difference between the two universes is the conditions in which the power is delivered. In silence and away from the power outlet for Macs, in the noise and plugged to main for the PCs. The PCs can deliver a lot more computing power than the Macs, but it has a cost.
@@JamesMarshall68 First of all, I'm not an Apple fanboy. I'm just a computer user who needs power. I'm positively impressed by the performance the new i9 13th generation and RTX 4090 for mobile can offer in a reasonable form factor. They are great, really great machines. I'm sure it will continue to improve and that's a great news. I have one too by the way, for these exact reasons. They deliver a huge computation power (especially for graphics and AI thanks to Nvidia), way more than M2 Max, even spec'ed out. But, you can't deny that these spec'ed out Windows PC monsters come at a comparable price tags. Furthermore, this huge power is available, and that's the main point, only when plugged in the wall. Not talking about the loud fan noise. If they are not plugged in the wall, the performance is way less impressive and the autonomy is absolutely ridiculous. These machines are very convincing desktop replacement, adding transportability to a powerful and comfortable "desktop" solution, with lot of power, very good screens, good keyboards etc. But they are certainly not mobile and autonomous powerhouses like MBP are. Not loosing a single MHz or Watt when on battery and not disturbing the people around you with high pitch loud fan noise when rendering a 3D scene or running a simulation is very precious. Two use cases, two solutions, both excellent in their use case.
@@brunocracco2949 Hi, thank you for your comment. I'm a Motion Designer 2D / 3D student and I currently struggle because I don't know if I shoule buy a Mac or a PC. I need a powerful machine but the noise is a big no, but I don't know if Macbrook pro M2 16 is powerful enouth for After Effects and C4D / Blender. Do you think it's good enough ?
Very well put, however something that needs a power cable constantly to perform is not really a lap top. Also PC power empties your wallet a lot faster than you would wish, not to mention the impact on our planet
You guys do realise this is just a video to give people an alternative option on the windows side right? Although the clickbaty title suggests otherwise. Everyone knows the silicon Macs are beast for what they are, Mini LED display, longer battery life, solid build, no need to be connected to the wall, it's ok people it's good to have competition and choice.
Dell XPS 15: Most of the things are quite good in this laptop. However, it fails miserably in terms of getting heated due to the powerful chipset but an abysmal cooling system. Let us keep the discussion fair!
I've got a 13" XPS in the past. Burned completly because of that, after only 13 months. So 1 month after the end of the warranty. YEAH. It was a great laptop... NOT.
No, the best thing about the MBP is the fact the machine runs with the same performance regardless of whether it is plugged in or not. There are STILL no windows machines that can do this.
@@nhaezer5121 okay - let me put it another way - you can’t do that and get useable battery life. A MacBook will run full power for over ten hours. My Asus G14 will run an hour and a half doing the same thing. So yes, it can do it - but it’s not at all useful.
@@nhaezer5121 Can you show me an example of a laptop battery powering something like a 4090 and a 13900? As far as I'm aware, the batteries simply can not put out something like 200 watts.
I moved to a macbook air from surface studio. I am very happy i have my desktop for the heavy lifting but i am able to not worry about picking up a dead laptop. That was a problem with windows on laptop. Macbook is a pain in software but it's life and optimizations in the apps designed for it. Makes a world of difference
all you noobs not even mentioning linux make me laugh. My dell precision i9 will run for days without being plugged in. It's not the laptop, it's Windows that grapes the battery @@yskuzi
I use a 2022 XPS 15 and it's a great machine but it's not great unplugged. That's the issue with Windows laptops. Power efficiency is important. I think eventually Windows machines will get this right. I mostly use mine as a desktop replacement so I don't care
I returned my 24core hp omen that was definitely a beast compared to the MacBook Pro 16 m2 max that I just ordered, because it was only a beast on the charger. Off of the charger, it was less than a third as powerful.
Do you think MacBook Pro is a beast without a power supply? Try playing a browser game, battery dead after 4 hours. During this time, you can fry the eggs on the casing. Macbook pro m2 was my worst purchase, i'm looking for something else unrelated to apple
I do like that you're providing reasonable alternatives, but most people buying Macs are not doing it due to power. We were buying Macs even when they had Intel chips and AMD GPUs. We buy Macs due to the way they connect with our iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch. We buy them due to the build quality, which leads to industry-leading longevity. We buy them because we know we can sell them three years from now and we can make 70 percent of the money back due to the way they retain their value. Power is important, but it's not the first reason I would bring up. (Edit: I almost forgot, the industry leading battery life is also important, and perhaps the most underrated feature is that MacBooks perform as well on battery as they do plugged in. Windows laptops cannot come close to matching this.)
apple silicone for laptops are so dominant that a second iteration provides power that they can’t utilize, so they decide to label it as disappointing.
@@bran_rx Sorry, but this is not a valid excuse anymore. The iGPUs in macs (when running on battery) are comparable to anything Nvidia or AMD has to offer. Apple’s M series chips also have built-in acceleration for certain workloads in form of the neural and media engines. There is certainly ground to argue some are able to take the hit in battery life for a gain in performance, but at a certain point the difference becomes inexcusable.
Good job you were scammed, clown. I bet you didn't even understand 90% of this video. Do you know what cores are? And a dedicated GPU? Do you know how ridiculous is the difference between x86 vs ARM processors? Keep on buying subpar products, Apple makes money off idiots like you
Same - Picked up the M2 Max 16” w/ 32gb ram, and it won’t break a sweat. I travel for work and the fact that I can run full speed without a charger…all day…is a game changer. This thing is a beast.
Never heard of linux, have ya? God these comments are ridiculous everyone whining about battery life when it's Windows that's the problem. Load up linux and you can run for days without a charge. @@rgrant1972
By all means, this is great laptops. The problem is when you use them unplugged they drop performance like a rock, and good luck taking one of them to a café or library. When the fans spin up you might get kicked out because of all the noise you bring. Use a stationary at home and a tablet or MacBook Air on the go, you will even save a enough on building a stationary to by a MacBook Air.
actually, you can still use them unplugged and run the same performance, all windows gaming laptop have this option. but battery may run out quickly. hey man, do you want to drive a power car and expect them to be a quite? hell no I'm much more worried if lambo suddenly produce quiet sound. *ummm should i call mac a lambo with that performance tho? 🤔
@@febryanmz look, i switched to windows and wouldn't switch back if someone paid me, but the fact is that mac laptop hardware is just better, it's more efficient more performant and has more battery life.
My Huawei matebook last longer than my Mac got more storage can run games and all uni students at my school needed to switch out there MacBook cause it can’t hack the programs we use and it is cheaper lol. 13 hour battery life I get 8 months in. I need to sell my MacBook the m2 chip was meh.
"Good luck with the fans, might get kicked at a cafe" Geez, why so much copium from Apple fans? That's never happened to me on my loudest Windows laptop. The background noise at a Cafe far supercedes any laptop fan. It's annoying at home in a completely silent environment, but holy cow with the copium involving these strange, impossible hypothetical scenarios for copium.
You forgot to mention all these windows power comes from being plugged in while the MacBook is still powerful plugged in or not, I'm not disputing the powers from this windows laptop but the convenience of a MacBook is still unbeatable
We're still waiting for qualcomms X elite chip to debut on Windows on ARM. Thats apples last advantage they run on ARM completely. If Microsoft and Qualcomm can get this right this year I believe it's going to be released around October it's going to be a huge game changer especially since they said The Qualcomm trip is supposed to have higher than M2 performance I believe. We will see though but Im hoping for the best
I am extremely creative person and got the basic mcp m2 14' and I have no regrets, I also run my business of this laptop, I have a lot of interests that I pursue i.e. I edit music as I am a dance teacher, run a balloon business, create posters for my work, photographer, videographer etc... I am an artist and run dance competitions and this laptop was the best purchase ever! upgraded from the MacBook Air 2018, no regrets. its amazing :)
I have a hard time deciding between the macbook pro 14' and 16'... and I will also use it for my business (graphic designer) and other creative tasks and a lot while travelling. Did you ever feel like you should have gone with the 16' model? ^^
If only those laptops you mentioned had more than 3-4 hours battery life while using on medium-heavy tasks. (3-4 hours is me being generous though, only AMD laptops can do that or maybe bit more sometimes, intel CPU laptops are too bad)
What are you smoking bro? Intel CPU are best on the market for example an Intel I9 12700 is 1000x better and more powerfull than weak m2 chip in new macbooks. Macbooks are overly expansive, weak and you doesnt get a value from them as you do by windows pcs.
Thats the hardest part of chip designing lol... You think making some powerfull inefficient chip is hard? Non U intels are only useful for fusion reactors since those socs are absolutely useless on the go. Pair them with Windows and it gets ohh so much worse. Between the constant crappy windows updates and services constantly creeping and sucking the performance and battery out of your laptop and the terrible thermal efficiency constantly throttling your system your lucky if you can get even those 4 hours previously mentioned. @@emko333
AND my M1 Max is the 16' beast. Fans never come on. I have two virtual machines doing crazy shit. Its dead silent and fans totally off in Kali Linux via UTM. Runs flawlessly
"The pOWER" Wrong Most people buy MacBook's because of the ecosystem. I recently purchased a MacBook because it was the only way to access XCode without jumping through hoops. The connectivity across all of my devices makes my MacBook a work horse. I can send a text or Document and know it'll be on my MacBook when I need it. Not to mention, Apple doesn't riddle you with constant pop ups and bloatware like Windows does. I have a gaming Windows computer, and that's really all it is for me now. A gaming computer cause I would much rather work on my Macbook
Looking at this video and reading the comments is that it’s clear to me that no one actually has an actual grasp on OS, 90% of these people own a gaming computer. if you are actually working and wanting the perfect optimization with all the power you can get then it’s the Mac book, it’s for the professionals that are in the move, having the new Mac specs sweeps the competition as much as it hurts being a windows owner
I love my m1 mac for its power, speakers, and, most importantly... It's power efficiency. I miss gaming, and I miss Linux (windows sucks), but nothing annoyingly comes close to the out-of-the-box experience on m1 right now. I wish it did.
There's no denying Apple knows how to make extremely power efficient hardware. Nothing comes close competition wise. Which is why they dominate in the laptop market when it comes to on battery performance. Obviously if you plug in a Windows laptop it will be quicker, but that defeats the point of a laptop. You can't always have it plugged in.
@AB I still play games, but I use the Steamdeck or ps5 right now. I used to use a VM with a GPU passed through on my home server. Which, with "Parsec," works surprisingly well would recommend if your tech savvy enough . There are options these days man, your primary gaming PC doesn't have to be your primary computer. Side note, if you get a steamdeck, pick up a pair of nreal airs as well 😉. Oled portable gaming system.. Can't beat that!
I think the perfect combos here is to use MBP for portability for work or studies. For fully game mode stuff better use windows desktop instead. Windows laptop pricetag re overprice (especially with limited watt utilisation on the gpu) and the after sales value is terrible.
I work from home on a laptop exclusively, I went with 14" M1 Pro MacBook Pro 16GB 1TB, and then for gaming I just got a Nintendo Switch I put in my bag to play Tears of the Kingdom and few other titles. I'm set. Best of both worlds. For modern triple AAA releases I have a PS5. Can get all this for less than that Razer Blade laptop.
why get an MBP when you can get other Windows laptop that can do gaming as well? If you're talking portability there are tons of Windows laptops that are portable and lightweight and just as powerful for non-gaming tasks. There is no practical reason to get any Macbooks or Mac products UNLESS you need the Mac OS in your work requirement
dell xps has the most unergonomic keyboard I have ever used - too small esc and function keys alongside with edges of the body surrounding them make the keyboard unuseful in the serious tasks. It could be the perfect laptop especially in 17" size.
When looking at the price and features of a MacBook, it's clear that not many alternatives can really compete. The MacBook is great in many areas like good speakers, nice display, long battery life, cool design, easy-to-use operating system, strong build quality, comfy keyboard, and lasting a long time. Also, the value you get for the price is hard to beat, making the MacBook way better. The only reason to choose a Windows PC over a Mac is if you want to play some specific games.
longer battery life because it doesn't have a dedicated gpu, you can't compare battery life when most high end windows laptops are packing high end GPUs
As a video creator, my MacBook Pro 16” M1 Pro Max > any windows laptop…period. No comparison. The performance I get for DaVinci Resolve, the XDR display, the crazy battery life, the build quality. Then you add in the buttery smooth Mac OS. Which allows me to use AirDrop so I can export a video project then have it on my phone in literal seconds. Then add in the small conveniences, like iMessage or the fact I can be FaceTiming on my iPhone but then hand it off to my MacBook. There’s 100 more small things I could list. If you are a creative, and especially if you have an iPhone…spend the extra and buy the MacBook. The competitions “hardware specs” simply can’t outweigh the full package the Macbook provides. I love it more every day
Flexibility is significant, agree there. But not really enough to outweigh the power and conveniences of an M2 Max. Superiority of performance specs of some windows beasts over the M2 isn’t touching on what Apple fans love so much about their machines - which is that the whole package is seamless, beautiful, and elegant. Coders and gamers know where to go to get their needs met, and it’s not Apple. Different strokes for different folks.
don't go with razer, i had their blade 15 2020 and it died within 2 years. the keyboard had to be replaced TWICE due to keys not registering at all, and then the battery bloated and it would no longer charge.
The best thing about my MacBook Pro M1 Pro is that I've NEVER heard the fan and I get acres of usage out of it on battery oh and I get 100% of the performance as well. My Surface Pro 8 is great for some Photoshop art but it don't try to use it while it's charging. The fan is quiet but the thing gets super hot plus it can barely do 2+hrs of 3DCoat or similar. Give me a MacBook Pro M3 with a pen display that can be used easily and I will flog both of these and pay a premium :D
I paid $5k for the top-of-the-line Z17 and it has been absolute garbage. I'm sick to my stomach. The components are power-throttled due to poor cooling efficiency, so it might as well have half the specs. 6 weeks after the warranty expired the nVME went out. $400 to replace and it took 2 months because they messed up the first time. Now just a few weeks later one of the fans is going out. Avoid MSI at all costs please don't make my mistake.
Not to mention, you can also cook food on windows laptops.. I’ll take that over macbook which doesn’t have this feature. I love food and windows laptops are my choice even if it lasts only 30 mins while running docker as it also cooks an omelette for me in those 30 mins.
@@Lee.S321 Would you like to enlighten all of us then? I own 2 MacBooks and 2 Windows Laptops and a gaming PC so would love to know that you know and we don't. 😂
@@itzzDizZY Even the beefiest gaming laptops will run longer than 30 mins (unless they're faulty). My thin & light with the 6800U runs 16 ish hrs watching movies, & a few hrs if gaming, so a little longer than half an hr, & it's warm to the touch, not hot. Macs have always thermal throttled, rather than ramp up fans to cool the processor, as Apple's priority has been the ability to market their devices as running quiet & not the performance the end user experiences. It's less of an issue with the M series chips, but Apple still leaves performance on the table to benefit their marketing, & the only option you have (if you want to get the performance you paid for) is to manually adjust the fan curve.
@@Lee.S321 Clearly you didn't read my comment properly. I don't use laptop to watch movies or play games. I use laptops to run servers, docker images, IDEs, edit videos and raw images. We are different kind of users. If windows laptop gives you everything you need, good on ya but it doesn't cut it for me. MacBook lasts me 24 hours while I am doing all that, and if I only watch videos, it might last me couple of days.
@itzzDizZY I didn't describe my use case at all, I just gave some examples people would relate to. I also know people who work with 16" M1 Pros (believed to have the best battery life), & the only way they can reach anything close to 24hr battery life is if they have nothing open but a timer. You seem to have a mystical laptop.
This laptop is for pros that don’t leave their workspace, also for me I wouldn’t want a 15” or 16 if I’ll on my desk all day I’d rather go with a desktop for a on the desk use, the MacBook Pro is for on the go use and not just Power but battery life and power ratio
@@VIPK9 assuming you game (most buyers these days me not included but numbers don't lie) + Adobe users (for some reaopsn adobe it's more optimized for windows dunno if it's some agreement between Microsoft or fact majority of users are on windows like big studios) so yes can say majority prefer windows
@@ko-Daegu I also highly doubt that the majority of professional studios use professional equipment like Macs not some cheap windows pc Adobe is way better optimized for OSX seamlessly stream between devices laptop iPad iPhone the project never stops
@@VIPK9 "I also highly doubt that the majority of professional studios use professional equipment like Macs not some cheap windows pc " majority run a server setup and/or multiple winwods stations "Adobe is way better optimized for OSX" adobe performance is much better optimized for winwods as majority of user based is on the OS when you think about these kinda things I would like you to think globally however even if we thought US only were majority of Apple users today: Windows holds 57.37% of the desktop OS market in the US, macOS holds 29.62% the majority of the marketspace in the US still is for Windows these are facts not an opinion to agree or disagree with
Having issues with my 2017 MacBook Air. For paying so much for the laptop, $1,500 Apple should have the capabilities to recover my data. Now I’ll have to pay at least $1K to recover my data. It was either recover it or reformat the Hard drive and lose everything. Absolutely absurd, never buying an Apple Mac again.
The best feature about the MacBook M* is the power efficiency. If I want raw power, I'll get a desktop (as I have - got a x86-64 PC). Try beating a full 7-10h day on battery without recharging while doing IntelliJ, surfing and Teams (got the M1 Max 16" MacBook for work and a M1 Pro for home use). It's unbeatable in power efficiency. Though I'd have preferred Ubuntu or something Linux (Asahi Linux is not yet there, but the guys there are amazing). I am done with Windows. 7 was awesome, 10 was okay - 11 is crap. And I've been using DOS and Windows since 3.22 and 3.1 respectively. You are comparing apples to pears - the x86-64 chips might be faster, but I don't need another cooker. ARM laptops might have a chance, but the 8cx gen 3 is a joke compared to the M1. But it's fine. Please don't all go buy the ideal laptop (out of the existing choices, the MacBook is nowhere near perfect or ideal), because it'll make the MacBooks even more expensive. Go buy the bricks, that are only powerful with incredible fans attached and only on a power cord.
Yes this. I work as a Linux sysadmin/devops engineer... Ironically my entire team at home use m1 macs for all of these reasons. I MISS Linux, I MISS gaming on the go even but you can't beat not charging your laptop for 3 days and still being at 75 percent .
@@KILLERTX95 no way what macbook do u have i have to charge my MacBook m1 pro 3 times a day as a backend and DevOps running all these docker containers / K8 and doing all these ansible tasks alongside using vscode/nvim (depends what lang I'm dev with) no way 3 days without charging and only down to 75%
@@ko-Daegu well if you're running all your stuff locally, sure. That makes sense. I have a mac m1 air, and run the vast majority of my work on external servers, work and personal. Outside of international travel, I treat my MacBook like a glorified thin client.
@@KILLERTX95 life doesn't work like that thou buddy you can't tell me your device perfomes great if you did all the compiling, running and testing else where of course we deploy ML models to runpod and we use AWS and other cloud services but won't count those and say hey look my device can do x and y cuz it didn't
@@ko-Daegu huh? Honestly, it sounds like you're reading between the lines that aren't even there. I never actually said anything like that. Why the hell do you compile locally anyway.. Not only is it wildly inefficient it's kinda a security issue as well man? I was just replying to the OP saying my team who work primarily on Linux use Macs as a daily driver because they are awesome. Fix your workflow man.
just have a hard time considering an intel based laptop currently when their performance gets crippled on battery, often has fans running full blast and not particularly great battery life in most cases vis a vis the Macbook's.
I would prefer MacBook Pro over all those laptops. I use windows laptop since five years , rather than buying those windows laptops I’ll build a PC 👍🏻 it’ll last longer than those laptops believe it 😂😂. And laptop means portability and if you can’t even run 8-10 hours without the charger what’s the point?? ROG strix 😂😂 I’m talking about you.
All those laptops are huge chunks I know I like windows and Mac OS. But when come to macbook 13 or 14 inch are my go to size I’m a music producer and video editor and I travel a lot so I’m not comfortable with those 15.6-16inch huge chunky laptops with big chargers
Every laptop should have the ability to allow installing an optical drive. If I want an optical drive, I want an optical drive. Its absence is a bug, not a feature.
Absolutely not. There's too much performance to sacrifice on something only occasionally used. You could have a larger battery, more storage, better heat sinks, etc. They also add bulk. Furthermore USB powered optical drives are $20. Also why use optical storage when it stores less and is more prone to failure than solid state solutions? It makes no sense!
Didnt really watch the full thing but IN MY OPINION one of the reasons why people still opt for macs instead of windows is based on what they need the computer for. I design, edit videos, produce music + use my macbook for work and all the things i use for work & creatively runs better on mac or im just used to macs os running in its own hardware. there are companies out there that makes higher spec'd computer than macs but in my experience, ive never had a windows laptop last me more than 2 years and ive had macs last me for 3-5+ years or more actually, i just recently switched to an M1 (from a perfectly running 2015 pro)
Dell xps cannot really keep up with mac cause of the thermal problems.The other laptops except the asus proart are designed for gaming and not only the battery life but also the portability is crap.The only laptop i can really see being a direct competitor to mac is the asus.
Just because they can game 10x better than a Mac doesn't mean they are only for gaming. They can do everything a Mac can do and then some. Battery life is where you're right and that's the real trade-off.
I had an Alienware R15 back in the day and a MacBook Air. I still today use my Air only, you could have all the hardware in the world, but portability matters when talking about a laptop. I don't want to carry 5 pounds and a charger every time I want to go portable
Whats the battery life like on the ASUS Probook? Whats the performance when its not plugged in? Have you tried these and reviewed them or just reading a flyer? I ask because i dont want a Macbook but nothing else can compete right now as a package.
I am not apple fan boy, and always a surface user. But windows battery performance always disappointing me. I don't game,I just want a machine working outdoor, that's why it's called a laptop.
I have been a Windows user since Windows 95 if I don't mistake. But, I am a Macbook user now. I really like my Macbook now. The only thing I miss from my Windows is a few apps that run in Windows only. If you use a laptop other than for gaming purpose, you will love Macbook
You know what-this is still a problem for Apple Silicon. Don't listen to people trash talking on bad battery life and power consumption on x86 processors in laptops. Surely my MacBook Air can last days without a charge with my use case, same to an M2 14", but they can't run MatLab or Solidworks. Meanwhile these 5 can do that. Would you rather buy a laptop which can run these but might need to be constantly plugged in, or a laptop with this great battery life but has all sorts of compatibility issues here and there? Your choice.
10:57 "but the most impressive thing is that it comes with a windows hello IR facial recognition camera" What a thoughtless thing to say. The most impressive things about the razer blade are obviously the CPU, GPU, and maybe the relative compactness of the chasis. Also. A huge selling point of the apple silicon chips are their performance to power efficiency ratio which none of these machines can dream of competing with.
A lot of the m-series apple macbooks vs windows laptops are a whole lot of “tell me you don’t understand macbooks without telling me you don’t understand macbooks”. This one is a prime example.
“Can’t go wrong with Windows” The only computer I’ve run windows on that didn’t constantly crash or need to be restarted daily (or more often) was on my Mac using bootcamp!
My Huawei matebook last longer than my Mac got more storage can run games and all uni students at my school needed to switch out there MacBook cause it can’t hack the programs we use and it is cheaper lol. 13 hour battery life I get 8 months in. I need to sell my MacBook the m2 chip was meh.
The worst part about Windows on Laptops is the absolutely shitty standby management. Had an HP Elitebook which was empty after being 2 hours in standby.
Watched a similar video back then. Bought a Surface Pro 6 instead of Apple. Never regretted something more than this. Absolutely no comparison. My girlfriend has a macbook air and it operates much better than my maxed out Surface Pro 6. Its the OS. You can‘t compete with Apple for everyday use, office etc.
There is no world where a Macbook Air operates better than a Surface Pro 6. If it works better for you you probably picked out the wrong kind of laptop for whatever you're using it for.
Although he doesn point out that some of these devices will outperform the macbook pros, which is true, you have to consider a couple things. Those windows laptops will surely drop their performance by as much as half when they are on battery, whereas macbook's aren't effected. This leads to macbooks having longer battery life, while also keeping consistent performance on battery. Another crucial topic not brought up here is fan noise and heat. Although macbook fans can be audible under high tasks, because of their higher power consumption, these windows machine will most certainly have jet engine like fan noise and get uncomfortably warm to the touch. So in conclusion, by ignoring the thermals and fan noise section, as well as battery life and power consumption, you only tell half the true story.
Apps and Battery life is better on Mac. No need to restart for a month unlike windows which needs to restart almost everyday because of os glitches and apps are behaving weird.
I have a MacBook Pro M2 and this computer battery last forever and the fan doesn’t kicked off no matter what I am doing. Windows computer cooling system can be problematic. I have a window machine (Dell XPS) for work that costed my company 2k and it’s been a nightmare.
I just want to say that apart from the design, power and silence of MacBooks, I also love the complete absence of Windows. I hate windows beyond RUclips's censoring limitations. Linux improved greatly after Ubuntu redesigned based on iPadOS, but having Microsoft annoy the F out of me with 10 then 11, there is NO WAY I will ever get a Windows craputer again.
For me the only laptop I could buy would be one supported by Linux. Actually if you need only a RAW CPU/GPU power (Razer laptop comes with ~350W charger) I'd rather consider buying a normal PC and not a laptop which is hot, loud and very expensive.
The unfortunate side to most creative devices is they aren't easily available. Creatives a re a niche group, so most of the time you will not see Razer Blade in stores. You will however see some higher end Lenovos... I personally had to ship my MSI Z16 from the USA in order to get thin, light and performant. Heating is an issue with it, but having to compromise is okay if you get 90% of what you need.
Not a great comparison at all. Many people have said it, but the video just didn't get into power consumption and efficiency of the Macs. I love my Razer Blade 17, but unplugged, performs like a boat.
Alternate title: Man explains something we already know: Windows laptops are less expensive but specs alone is not the main selling point for Mac users.
Sure they “smoke” the MacBooks but only while plugged in and they’ll last a maximum of half the time. You can’t really compare macs to windows anymore, if you’re buying a mac, there’s a reason. Either you need or it you want it
Mac seems to have new feature, unified memory. This is huge plus for 3d rendering work if i can have 24-32 GB graphics memory compared to gaming laptop 8Gb. GPU is 15x faster than CPU, but i can't use it. Ryzen 6850u scored under 200 points in Blender render, Mac GPU got 1600 points.
Another one you could have mentioned is the 2022 model of the Asus ROG Zephyrus g14. It has the premium feel and the sleek design only the macbooks and the XPS have and has similar specs to the blade.
@@Shadow-fb7nw This is not a subjective thing. Making a laptop out of the same material and putting a high quality screen, that is using the same display technology, on it will result in a device of a similar feel. You cant just deny what I said, without giving a proper reason. I for my part, speak from experience, since I have held in my hands/ worked with both devices.
@@friendlyperson9841 Um... how about not really. If you have different heights for keyboards. A different opening mechanism. Different trackpads. Different fan technologies... Really not the same at all. I've tried the G14, and I don't feel like it felt as good as my m1 macbook air.
This only convinces me to buy a macbook if anything, the m2 air with 24gb's of ram.. portability, work power and amazing efficiency. I don't wanna lug around a gaming laptop that will break my back while also having to store a power brick as heavy as a building brick for it to be an effective device. Better get a macbook and a windows gaming PC on the side.
These comparisons are hysterical. Not one of these computers is usable without an outlet and tolerance for embarrassing fan speeds & noise. Oh… that’s right, these power hungry heaters also relegate you to using the worst, most vulnerable OS on the planet. In other words, benchmarks mean shit… in the real world, these PCs are crap.
Some Last gen AMD laptops can smoke this gen MacPros on battery and it's cheap coz it's last gen. They both use tsmc node to make The CPU. Some AMD models can give 20hiur backup.youbcan downclock laptop to improve thermals coz AMD laptops boost over 5.4GHz as desktop while apple sits on 3.4 GHz.
@@vmafarah9473 Those are valid points and possibly true. Perhaps some real world comparisons would be great. I guess it also depends on what your use case is as to which platform provides the best solution for an individual’s needs. I’ve always rooted for AMD but haven’t found their CPUs to perform as well as Intel in practice…however, that was years ago and that may no longer be the case.
In the real world, while these Wintel laptops may have poor battery life, poor perf on battery or that S0 sleep issue Linus called out months ago, _app compatibility_ is still a problem for Apple Silicon. Don't listen to people trash talking on bad battery life and power consumption on x86 processors in laptops. Surely my MacBook Air can last days without a charge with my use case, same to an M2 14", but they can't run MatLab or Solidworks. Meanwhile these 5 can do that. Would you rather buy a laptop which can run these but might need to be constantly plugged in, or a laptop with this great battery life but has all sorts of compatibility issues here and there? Your choice.
wth are you comparing to the macbook?? These are gaming thick, plastic and laptop devices that gotta be plugged in 24/7. The only direct comparison you mentioned is the XPS and the macbook still dominates it in every metric.
Sorry, but almost all of these are horrible alternatives. If you want gaming power get a desktop. The only thing you seem to have focused on is the CPU/GPU performance. Almost all of these options are significantly heavier, have terrible battery life, honestly look quite ugly, and are not very versatile other than just acting as a desktop PC without actually being one. The MacBook is great because it's very versatile and does a lot of things well; it has great performance, great battery life, a nice bright screen, great touchpad and keyboard, good speakers, and fairly lightweight. Show me alternative laptops that are good at all those aspects, like the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i/9i.
i bought a mac because i can t stand the battery life of windows laptop. what does power means if it does not works...mac is not superior in power it is superior in balancing hight performance, battery life, track pad that is usefull ect...yesterday i enjoyed i life were i could work from 10 am to 9 pm and it remained 39% of the battery, not mentionning that spotify was running on the background from 5pm. that is something i never felt with windows (2000 euros xps13 with a battery that was useless 2 years after not anymore)
Depends what you’re using it for. Most people aren’t content creators. For them (the average person who’s not a Tech Nerd) Macs just work and probably integrate with the Apple ecosystem.
Please do some real-world performance comparisons. Tech specs ain't everything. I'm sure the Macbook Pro will "smoke" a lot of of the intel laptops you recommend
With my all respect for your effort But most people buy Mac laptops only because for it's efficiency when it comes to battery life None of any windows laptops out performed what any MacBook llaptops had delivered
@@antiunclematter9502 thank you, i guess i would feel lost without windows for a while. Yet if i dont have these neverending script loops that take all the RAM i would jump away. Im not an IT but i would go with the superior tech, ios architecture.
I want to know what is the best laptop money can buy regardless of cost. Every time I've done these best for the money I have been let down enormously, and I'm talking about dell xps models that are always around $2,500. I need something that can chew through Lightroom edits of R5 photos, and at least handle 4K editing smoothly.
Personally, I find that it's completely dependent on your workflow. I can't stand to do content creation on a laptop so battery is never a consideration as I will only edit while back at my desk where I can work on dual color accurate 32" monitors. It's way too cramped to work on a complex Premiere timeline with after effects on a small screen. On a big screen you can arrange everything on two screens for a much more enjoyable workflow. So in that sense, I don't care if the full power of the laptop is only available with the brick plugged in. Most laptops give you plenty of battery power for just consuming content while on a flight and now just about all flights have charging ports and if they don't, a 60W+ battery pack does the trick in a pinch. Unless I absolutely have to do content creation on the road, my laptop collects dust. I can certainly see the merits of the MBP if you have to get a lot done on the go but my goodness do i find it dreadful to work on a small screen. Especially when you're spoiled by a powerful desktop that can do it all. I certainly appreciate the dedicated power for encoding baked into the new Apple silicon, that's a nice touch for sure. Naturally if you're a final cut aficionado, the choice is the Apple route.
I cant for the love of me think how painful it must be to work on those 2 massive monitors of yours. Unless you have fish sight, your neck must look like a roulette by now... Buy a bigger screen my man if you need more screen space. Were not meant to work on ultrawide angles. Our peripheral field of view is useless.
@@AI-qd4vb Don't knock it til you try. It's a game changer to run lightroom on one screen and photoshop on the other with a workspace with everything in plain view at 4k. I find it excruciating to work at 4k on a laptop. On a dual 32" setup on a 4ft depth desk it's perfect, everything I need for workflow is on hand. Same when working on a complicated Premiere timeline with after effects comps on the 2nd screen. Naturally when not working on anything complicated I watch something on the 2nd screen while working on the main one. If you sit 2ft away i can see it being an issue but I have both on arms about 3.5 - 4ft away from me with all the space on the desk surface free for cameras, drones, 3d camera and all the other myriad of things that get taken on the field. Doing flambient flash photography is an eye strain but the dual screen setup isn't. I don't need portability, I can't stand to work on a laptop without the usual accoutrements for a faster workflow. (drawing tablet, ergo mouse, keyboard with custom programmable keybinds etc). I'm in a very particular field mind you, in my neck of the woods real estate agents are mandated to go to market almost immediately, so i have to pump the day's production for the next day (same night ideally), anything that can help workflow is crucially important.
For my needs, these options wouldn't be the right alternatives. What I need as a frontend developer with design focus and a musician: Great CPU and I/O performance, great display, good speakers, and quiet operation, also when driving two external screens. MBPs deliver just that, some AMD laptops would also fit the bill. What I don't like about Macs is that you can't upgrade them or repair them easily, and I don't need all the GPU power of Apple's Pro/Max chips, but I need to go for them to connect two external screens. And I don't want to run Windows, so for a PC laptop, great Linux compatibility would be a top priority. I guess the closest thing would be an AMD Framework which comes with the added benefit of easy repairability/upgradability but has crappy speakers.
system76 oryx pro is probably the best linux laptop. Runs their native pop_os destro they make themselves. You can always switch to a different distro if you want.
@@scummymulisha Looks pretty good! I also like their Pop!_OS, and I can't wait to play with the Cosmic Desktop that's currently in development. Tuxedo also has some nice Linux laptops. But I really like the mission of Framework, even though they are quite expensive, at least initially, not considering future upgrades. I'll always have my eyes open for Apple alternatives, but for now, I'm sticking with the Mac.
Yeah right, more performance than the M2s, until you unplug it, then the table turns even in 3D rendering, and your battery goes to shit, and for a laptop, the whole point is to use it unplugged on the go, not connected to an outlet like a desktop because at that point, you might as well build an itx PC, not to mention windows laptop QC often sucks.
OLED screen is the kill feature for me on a new laptop. Another killer feature is upgradability. I already have Macbook Pro 16 provided by company so my personal laptop will be an OLED Windows Laptop with upgradable RAM/SSD. If Macbook support OLED then I will buy one as my personal laptop and just spend more money upfront for RAM/SSD.
My main issue with other laptops is Windows itself and I don't trust most other batterie run times. If gaming is priority don't even consider MacBooks.
As an Apple user, what I miss is Windows. It’s a double edged sword…one side is its flexibility, and other, is its flexibility. It’s both good and bad, but what I will say…I hate Apples OS. I still haven’t gotten use to it, after many years. BUT…that might be because I’m a programmer, that got tired hardware to software fails on my PC. I don’t have time to bother, figuring out integration problems on every PC I own. My big dilemma…I still miss Windows, no matter what.
@@Bat_BoyI HATE Windows tbh. I don’t like anything about Windows really. I’d rather “waste my money” than have to ever use windows, ever again. It’s awful
I can't foresee ever going back to Windows. M1 Macbook: no fans, no heat, makes my old i9 seem like molasses, and no Windows to deal with. I'd use Linux before 11.
He leaves out the fact that all these laptops need to be near a wall outlet
And they won’t hold up that long
Not always the same. In full rendering mode on Mac cpu only lasts 2 hour tbh. AMD laptops can last longer and also have higher boost clocks than Mac,which can help in CAD workloads. AMD and apple uses TSMC node so that both have high efficiency. Some AMD models are pushed to 20hr .
Some AMD model have CinebenchR23 scores same on battery.
OLED ,4nm GPU for gaming. Twice performance in CPU related workload if you want. Dual screen, egpu, ram SSD upgrade, repairable by ourself with minimum screws.
yeah battery life is better on macbooks cause they have no dedicated GPUs
@@vmafarah9473 wdym by full rendering mode - like rendering an image in a raytracer? or viewport in CAD because i assume that lasts much longer than that no?
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Thanks! And fuck this guy (the video author) for not providing clear timestamps on the stuff he presented here.
Am I the only one who notices its mainly RUclipsrs who claim the new M2 Pro Macbook Pros are "disappointing and unnecessary"? Like, if you had an old Intel Macbook and you decided to finally get a new M2 Pro MB this year, please don't think your MB is "disappointing and unnecessary". The people who keep saying this are the ones that have the luxury of upgrading their laptops every year and so they compare it to their M1 Pro's and don't like how little has changed.
i think it's simply because it's a minor incremental upgrade from M1 in most instances so better off saving the money. of course, from a Macbook Air standpoint the form factor is far more desirable for the M2 over the M1.
It’s still a compromise for lack of M2.
That's not how comparisons work. You don't compare a product to one multiple generations behind, you compare it to its predecessor. There is so little change between M1 and M2 that Apple really should not have released M2, it's a pointless machine. Then again this trend (near zero improvement) has been the same in mobile phones in the last few years, so yeah, it's just how market and capitalism works. But I do question the mental capacity of those people who upgrade yearly. Probably the same sort of people who buy products on launch.
@@kosztaz87 I'd agree most of your opinions. I don't get latest products every year, but I do buy products on launch if the improvement is attractive enough, because I only enjoy using a laptop for the first few years (definitely less than 4 years), the official discount for one-year-old apple product has never reached 25%, buying one on launch actually gives your the best value for the first year experience (I don't sell used products, I keep them). Especially when edu is 8% off on day 1, and if you have a friend working in Apple, 15% off (I literally have both).
Maybe, but I have seen too many people drop $3-4k on a MBP and all they do is browse the web/use an office suite. 90% of people that buy apple do so because it is cool (it is why a lot of boomers use apple). Lots of boomers larping as "creatives" or startup programmers.
Power consumption seems to be thrown under the bus in this video. If I'm going for a Windows based laptop, I'm probably looking for the a balance with power to watt. For laptop / mobile, that becomes important as well and there's a tacit understanding that balancing out means you won't have your cake and eat it.
If I wanted to go for power, I'd go desktop. That's even more power for less cost and comes with more prospects of incremental hardware upgrades. You're going to be plugged into the mains to get the full stated specs from these laptops anyway (given that it doesn't thermal throttle) making the whole point of these laptops moot.
Exactly, and the size. I am a student and I don't wanna be carrying bulky ass laptops.
Power consumption is another retarded taking point.
Your hydro bill will be virtually identical
About power to watt, that depends. My office does hot-desking and we also work from home 2-3 days a week. During work hours, we're basically chained to the desk but our desk changes almost daily. This seems a norm especially in companies that allow work from home. So a power hog isn't that much of a concern since the laptop is plugged in most of the time.
The best thing about macbook is that i can go out with it leaving the charger do my work and come back home at the end of the day with 15-20% battery remaining.
Why can't they make the same for their phones? Weird
This
@@myonedayhops It is for the most part though.
Thank you for this video. Just one point : the price you gave for the Razer 16 is the base model, not the fully spec'ed one with the 4090 which goes up to $5k (as a MBP 16" maxed out). Nevertheless, these machines are really beasts... when plugged to the wall and if you don't care about the noise of fans. I'm a Mac and Windows laptops user, and the main difference between the two universes is the conditions in which the power is delivered. In silence and away from the power outlet for Macs, in the noise and plugged to main for the PCs. The PCs can deliver a lot more computing power than the Macs, but it has a cost.
@@JamesMarshall68 First of all, I'm not an Apple fanboy. I'm just a computer user who needs power. I'm positively impressed by the performance the new i9 13th generation and RTX 4090 for mobile can offer in a reasonable form factor. They are great, really great machines. I'm sure it will continue to improve and that's a great news. I have one too by the way, for these exact reasons. They deliver a huge computation power (especially for graphics and AI thanks to Nvidia), way more than M2 Max, even spec'ed out. But, you can't deny that these spec'ed out Windows PC monsters come at a comparable price tags. Furthermore, this huge power is available, and that's the main point, only when plugged in the wall. Not talking about the loud fan noise. If they are not plugged in the wall, the performance is way less impressive and the autonomy is absolutely ridiculous. These machines are very convincing desktop replacement, adding transportability to a powerful and comfortable "desktop" solution, with lot of power, very good screens, good keyboards etc. But they are certainly not mobile and autonomous powerhouses like MBP are. Not loosing a single MHz or Watt when on battery and not disturbing the people around you with high pitch loud fan noise when rendering a 3D scene or running a simulation is very precious. Two use cases, two solutions, both excellent in their use case.
@@brunocracco2949 Hi, thank you for your comment. I'm a Motion Designer 2D / 3D student and I currently struggle because I don't know if I shoule buy a Mac or a PC. I need a powerful machine but the noise is a big no, but I don't know if Macbrook pro M2 16 is powerful enouth for After Effects and C4D / Blender. Do you think it's good enough ?
Very well put, however something that needs a power cable constantly to perform is not really a lap top.
Also PC power empties your wallet a lot faster than you would wish, not to mention the impact on our planet
You guys do realise this is just a video to give people an alternative option on the windows side right? Although the clickbaty title suggests otherwise. Everyone knows the silicon Macs are beast for what they are, Mini LED display, longer battery life, solid build, no need to be connected to the wall, it's ok people it's good to have competition and choice.
Dell XPS 15: Most of the things are quite good in this laptop. However, it fails miserably in terms of getting heated due to the powerful chipset but an abysmal cooling system.
Let us keep the discussion fair!
I've got a 13" XPS in the past. Burned completly because of that, after only 13 months. So 1 month after the end of the warranty. YEAH. It was a great laptop... NOT.
I need a windows laptop, any recommendations?
xps has a terrible hardware quality though
The Thermals in the xps models are atrocious. Within 15 minutes of editing anything your computer is going to come to a snail's pace.
@@w_21go lenovo or asus, dell and hp are low tier shit even in their ‘high tier’ models
No, the best thing about the MBP is the fact the machine runs with the same performance regardless of whether it is plugged in or not. There are STILL no windows machines that can do this.
They all can - if you configure them to. They're set that way to conserve battery. But, I get your drift.
@@nhaezer5121 okay - let me put it another way - you can’t do that and get useable battery life. A MacBook will run full power for over ten hours. My Asus G14 will run an hour and a half doing the same thing. So yes, it can do it - but it’s not at all useful.
@@nhaezer5121 Can you show me an example of a laptop battery powering something like a 4090 and a 13900? As far as I'm aware, the batteries simply can not put out something like 200 watts.
I moved to a macbook air from surface studio.
I am very happy i have my desktop for the heavy lifting but i am able to not worry about picking up a dead laptop.
That was a problem with windows on laptop.
Macbook is a pain in software but it's life and optimizations in the apps designed for it.
Makes a world of difference
all you noobs not even mentioning linux make me laugh. My dell precision i9 will run for days without being plugged in. It's not the laptop, it's Windows that grapes the battery @@yskuzi
I use a 2022 XPS 15 and it's a great machine but it's not great unplugged. That's the issue with Windows laptops. Power efficiency is important. I think eventually Windows machines will get this right. I mostly use mine as a desktop replacement so I don't care
The latest chips coming out this year and next year are supposed to fix that. Plus companies are investing more into their cooling systems.
You are forgetting the main reason people buy Macs: the OS.
Absolutely. Nobody wants to deal with ads in their OS, unnecessary bloat, and horrible power consumption.
@@njpme exactly
Arthur Winer should make a video about why we don't like other OS.
@@dvr1337 no not on "any" PC and it's super problematic
@@dvr1337 But I search for a complete experience. A Mac OS on a laptop just works but never feels the same.
If you're gaming or doing work in blender I totally agree.. but if you're video editing the apple M-series is pretty much the only logical choice.
Nope for editing it's clearly the proart by far and it's not even close
I returned my 24core hp omen that was definitely a beast compared to the MacBook Pro 16 m2 max that I just ordered, because it was only a beast on the charger. Off of the charger, it was less than a third as powerful.
Exactly. It’s just a desktop, it’s barely portable, my doesn’t even last 30 minutes out of box, reason that i’m selling it.
Do you think MacBook Pro is a beast without a power supply? Try playing a browser game, battery dead after 4 hours. During this time, you can fry the eggs on the casing. Macbook pro m2 was my worst purchase, i'm looking for something else unrelated to apple
I do like that you're providing reasonable alternatives, but most people buying Macs are not doing it due to power. We were buying Macs even when they had Intel chips and AMD GPUs. We buy Macs due to the way they connect with our iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch. We buy them due to the build quality, which leads to industry-leading longevity. We buy them because we know we can sell them three years from now and we can make 70 percent of the money back due to the way they retain their value. Power is important, but it's not the first reason I would bring up. (Edit: I almost forgot, the industry leading battery life is also important, and perhaps the most underrated feature is that MacBooks perform as well on battery as they do plugged in. Windows laptops cannot come close to matching this.)
apple silicone for laptops are so dominant that a second iteration provides power that they can’t utilize, so they decide to label it as disappointing.
AMD laptops can have higher boost clocks and have similar battery backup.OLED. etc...
you can't be bringing up battery life, macs literally don't have dedicated gpus
@@bran_rx Sorry, but this is not a valid excuse anymore. The iGPUs in macs (when running on battery) are comparable to anything Nvidia or AMD has to offer. Apple’s M series chips also have built-in acceleration for certain workloads in form of the neural and media engines. There is certainly ground to argue some are able to take the hit in battery life for a gain in performance, but at a certain point the difference becomes inexcusable.
@@oskarsuc Alright, go and game on your Mac with your iGPU.
I just bought a M2 MacBook Pro and I’m extremely happy
13,14 or 16 inch
Yes tell us more?
Good job you were scammed, clown. I bet you didn't even understand 90% of this video. Do you know what cores are? And a dedicated GPU? Do you know how ridiculous is the difference between x86 vs ARM processors? Keep on buying subpar products, Apple makes money off idiots like you
Same - Picked up the M2 Max 16” w/ 32gb ram, and it won’t break a sweat. I travel for work and the fact that I can run full speed without a charger…all day…is a game changer. This thing is a beast.
Never heard of linux, have ya? God these comments are ridiculous everyone whining about battery life when it's Windows that's the problem. Load up linux and you can run for days without a charge. @@rgrant1972
By all means, this is great laptops. The problem is when you use them unplugged they drop performance like a rock, and good luck taking one of them to a café or library. When the fans spin up you might get kicked out because of all the noise you bring. Use a stationary at home and a tablet or MacBook Air on the go, you will even save a enough on building a stationary to by a MacBook Air.
actually, you can still use them unplugged and run the same performance, all windows gaming laptop have this option. but battery may run out quickly.
hey man, do you want to drive a power car and expect them to be a quite? hell no
I'm much more worried if lambo suddenly produce quiet sound. *ummm should i call mac a lambo with that performance tho? 🤔
@@febryanmz look, i switched to windows and wouldn't switch back if someone paid me, but the fact is that mac laptop hardware is just better, it's more efficient more performant and has more battery life.
My Huawei matebook last longer than my Mac got more storage can run games and all uni students at my school needed to switch out there MacBook cause it can’t hack the programs we use and it is cheaper lol. 13 hour battery life I get 8 months in. I need to sell my MacBook the m2 chip was meh.
They’re not that loud bro😭😭
"Good luck with the fans, might get kicked at a cafe"
Geez, why so much copium from Apple fans? That's never happened to me on my loudest Windows laptop. The background noise at a Cafe far supercedes any laptop fan. It's annoying at home in a completely silent environment, but holy cow with the copium involving these strange, impossible hypothetical scenarios for copium.
You forgot to mention all these windows power comes from being plugged in while the MacBook is still powerful plugged in or not, I'm not disputing the powers from this windows laptop but the convenience of a MacBook is still unbeatable
We're still waiting for qualcomms X elite chip to debut on Windows on ARM. Thats apples last advantage they run on ARM completely. If Microsoft and Qualcomm can get this right this year I believe it's going to be released around October it's going to be a huge game changer especially since they said The Qualcomm trip is supposed to have higher than M2 performance I believe. We will see though but Im hoping for the best
I am extremely creative person and got the basic mcp m2 14' and I have no regrets, I also run my business of this laptop, I have a lot of interests that I pursue i.e. I edit music as I am a dance teacher, run a balloon business, create posters for my work, photographer, videographer etc... I am an artist and run dance competitions and this laptop was the best purchase ever! upgraded from the MacBook Air 2018, no regrets. its amazing :)
I have a hard time deciding between the macbook pro 14' and 16'... and I will also use it for my business (graphic designer) and other creative tasks and a lot while travelling. Did you ever feel like you should have gone with the 16' model? ^^
If only those laptops you mentioned had more than 3-4 hours battery life while using on medium-heavy tasks. (3-4 hours is me being generous though, only AMD laptops can do that or maybe bit more sometimes, intel CPU laptops are too bad)
What are you smoking bro? Intel CPU are best on the market for example an Intel I9 12700 is 1000x better and more powerfull than weak m2 chip in new macbooks. Macbooks are overly expansive, weak and you doesnt get a value from them as you do by windows pcs.
@@MasterFrechmen732 Intel is better than M2 pro and m2 max? That was the best joke I heard all year
@@streetswontforget9390 it is... unless all the performance tests are wrong??? only good thing about M chips they have best performance per watt
Thats the hardest part of chip designing lol... You think making some powerfull inefficient chip is hard? Non U intels are only useful for fusion reactors since those socs are absolutely useless on the go. Pair them with Windows and it gets ohh so much worse. Between the constant crappy windows updates and services constantly creeping and sucking the performance and battery out of your laptop and the terrible thermal efficiency constantly throttling your system your lucky if you can get even those 4 hours previously mentioned. @@emko333
AND my M1 Max is the 16' beast. Fans never come on. I have two virtual machines doing crazy shit. Its dead silent and fans totally off in Kali Linux via UTM. Runs flawlessly
Sure. They have all have great performance. But what happens when you unplug them?
That's what I thought.
amd is fine loses like 10-15 still more powerful intel will it run like hot dog shit
"The pOWER"
Wrong
Most people buy MacBook's because of the ecosystem. I recently purchased a MacBook because it was the only way to access XCode without jumping through hoops. The connectivity across all of my devices makes my MacBook a work horse. I can send a text or Document and know it'll be on my MacBook when I need it. Not to mention, Apple doesn't riddle you with constant pop ups and bloatware like Windows does.
I have a gaming Windows computer, and that's really all it is for me now. A gaming computer cause I would much rather work on my Macbook
No such thing as a windows computer. People seem to be unaware that Linux exists and outperforms mac any day of the week
I bought Macbook Air M2 base for graphic designing and web development. I’m impressed. Its really good.
Did you bought the base model or more storage? I want to know more because I'm graphic designing too
Looking at this video and reading the comments is that it’s clear to me that no one actually has an actual grasp on OS, 90% of these people own a gaming computer. if you are actually working and wanting the perfect optimization with all the power you can get then it’s the Mac book, it’s for the professionals that are in the move, having the new Mac specs sweeps the competition as much as it hurts being a windows owner
I love my m1 mac for its power, speakers, and, most importantly... It's power efficiency. I miss gaming, and I miss Linux (windows sucks), but nothing annoyingly comes close to the out-of-the-box experience on m1 right now. I wish it did.
There's no denying Apple knows how to make extremely power efficient hardware. Nothing comes close competition wise. Which is why they dominate in the laptop market when it comes to on battery performance. Obviously if you plug in a Windows laptop it will be quicker, but that defeats the point of a laptop. You can't always have it plugged in.
can't even run dark souls 3 and half of the steam apps ....apple urinates and y'all drink their piss .....apple is only good at anti consumerism
@AB I still play games, but I use the Steamdeck or ps5 right now. I used to use a VM with a GPU passed through on my home server. Which, with "Parsec," works surprisingly well would recommend if your tech savvy enough . There are options these days man, your primary gaming PC doesn't have to be your primary computer.
Side note, if you get a steamdeck, pick up a pair of nreal airs as well 😉. Oled portable gaming system.. Can't beat that!
Asahi Linux is getting more usable on M1 over time, GPU is working now.
@@roundduckkira I know, and im keen, But it's not ready yet :/. Although with my homelab I mostly use the mac as a thin client anyway.
I think the perfect combos here is to use MBP for portability for work or studies. For fully game mode stuff better use windows desktop instead. Windows laptop pricetag re overprice (especially with limited watt utilisation on the gpu) and the after sales value is terrible.
Betul ke? Pandai lah!
I work from home on a laptop exclusively, I went with 14" M1 Pro MacBook Pro 16GB 1TB, and then for gaming I just got a Nintendo Switch I put in my bag to play Tears of the Kingdom and few other titles. I'm set. Best of both worlds. For modern triple AAA releases I have a PS5. Can get all this for less than that Razer Blade laptop.
@@julianperry4767 nicee, portability at its best!
Not to mention thermals. This always messes up with me. You can have the most powerful gaming laptop but thermals will always be a problem.
why get an MBP when you can get other Windows laptop that can do gaming as well? If you're talking portability there are tons of Windows laptops that are portable and lightweight and just as powerful for non-gaming tasks. There is no practical reason to get any Macbooks or Mac products UNLESS you need the Mac OS in your work requirement
dell xps has the most unergonomic keyboard I have ever used - too small esc and function keys alongside with edges of the body surrounding them make the keyboard unuseful in the serious tasks. It could be the perfect laptop especially in 17" size.
When looking at the price and features of a MacBook, it's clear that not many alternatives can really compete. The MacBook is great in many areas like good speakers, nice display, long battery life, cool design, easy-to-use operating system, strong build quality, comfy keyboard, and lasting a long time. Also, the value you get for the price is hard to beat, making the MacBook way better. The only reason to choose a Windows PC over a Mac is if you want to play some specific games.
longer battery life because it doesn't have a dedicated gpu, you can't compare battery life when most high end windows laptops are packing high end GPUs
the MacBook pro m2 doesn't even need a dedicated gpu for amazing results + great battery life + iCloud integration
The problem is that you think a pc can only run windows. Any of these devices running linux will make a macbook look like a toy
As a video creator, my MacBook Pro 16” M1 Pro Max > any windows laptop…period. No comparison. The performance I get for DaVinci Resolve, the XDR display, the crazy battery life, the build quality. Then you add in the buttery smooth Mac OS. Which allows me to use AirDrop so I can export a video project then have it on my phone in literal seconds. Then add in the small conveniences, like iMessage or the fact I can be FaceTiming on my iPhone but then hand it off to my MacBook. There’s 100 more small things I could list. If you are a creative, and especially if you have an iPhone…spend the extra and buy the MacBook. The competitions “hardware specs” simply can’t outweigh the full package the Macbook provides. I love it more every day
The Macbook is only good for creatives. Who programs using a mac? Or play games? Nobody.
@@vincedgarvlogs completely agree with that
AMD with Ryzen will catch up at some point I hope.
Which will die at some point and nothing can be upgraded.
Framework 16 is the TRUE alternative. 2 years a new GPU is out? No problem, swap it.
Flexibility is significant, agree there. But not really enough to outweigh the power and conveniences of an M2 Max. Superiority of performance specs of some windows beasts over the M2 isn’t touching on what Apple fans love so much about their machines - which is that the whole package is seamless, beautiful, and elegant. Coders and gamers know where to go to get their needs met, and it’s not Apple. Different strokes for different folks.
don't go with razer, i had their blade 15 2020 and it died within 2 years. the keyboard had to be replaced TWICE due to keys not registering at all, and then the battery bloated and it would no longer charge.
The best thing about my MacBook Pro M1 Pro is that I've NEVER heard the fan and I get acres of usage out of it on battery oh and I get 100% of the performance as well. My Surface Pro 8 is great for some Photoshop art but it don't try to use it while it's charging. The fan is quiet but the thing gets super hot plus it can barely do 2+hrs of 3DCoat or similar. Give me a MacBook Pro M3 with a pen display that can be used easily and I will flog both of these and pay a premium :D
Does the Macbook pro M1pro even have a fan?
I paid $5k for the top-of-the-line Z17 and it has been absolute garbage. I'm sick to my stomach. The components are power-throttled due to poor cooling efficiency, so it might as well have half the specs. 6 weeks after the warranty expired the nVME went out. $400 to replace and it took 2 months because they messed up the first time. Now just a few weeks later one of the fans is going out. Avoid MSI at all costs please don't make my mistake.
Not to mention, you can also cook food on windows laptops.. I’ll take that over macbook which doesn’t have this feature. I love food and windows laptops are my choice even if it lasts only 30 mins while running docker as it also cooks an omelette for me in those 30 mins.
You don't seem to know much about laptops.
@@Lee.S321 Would you like to enlighten all of us then? I own 2 MacBooks and 2 Windows Laptops and a gaming PC so would love to know that you know and we don't. 😂
@@itzzDizZY Even the beefiest gaming laptops will run longer than 30 mins (unless they're faulty). My thin & light with the 6800U runs 16 ish hrs watching movies, & a few hrs if gaming, so a little longer than half an hr, & it's warm to the touch, not hot.
Macs have always thermal throttled, rather than ramp up fans to cool the processor, as Apple's priority has been the ability to market their devices as running quiet & not the performance the end user experiences. It's less of an issue with the M series chips, but Apple still leaves performance on the table to benefit their marketing, & the only option you have (if you want to get the performance you paid for) is to manually adjust the fan curve.
@@Lee.S321 Clearly you didn't read my comment properly. I don't use laptop to watch movies or play games. I use laptops to run servers, docker images, IDEs, edit videos and raw images. We are different kind of users. If windows laptop gives you everything you need, good on ya but it doesn't cut it for me. MacBook lasts me 24 hours while I am doing all that, and if I only watch videos, it might last me couple of days.
@itzzDizZY I didn't describe my use case at all, I just gave some examples people would relate to. I also know people who work with 16" M1 Pros (believed to have the best battery life), & the only way they can reach anything close to 24hr battery life is if they have nothing open but a timer. You seem to have a mystical laptop.
This laptop is for pros that don’t leave their workspace, also for me I wouldn’t want a 15” or 16 if I’ll on my desk all day I’d rather go with a desktop for a on the desk use, the MacBook Pro is for on the go use and not just Power but battery life and power ratio
You forgot to mention the macOS ecosystem, which works perfectly on Apple hardware.
You realize that's a con for most people watching this, right?
@@eiosti I highly doubt it
@@VIPK9 assuming you game (most buyers these days me not included but numbers don't lie) + Adobe users (for some reaopsn adobe it's more optimized for windows dunno if it's some agreement between Microsoft or fact majority of users are on windows like big studios) so yes can say majority prefer windows
@@ko-Daegu I also highly doubt that the majority of professional studios use professional equipment like Macs not some cheap windows pc Adobe is way better optimized for OSX seamlessly stream between devices laptop iPad iPhone the project never stops
@@VIPK9 "I also highly doubt that the majority of professional studios use professional equipment like Macs not some cheap windows pc "
majority run a server setup and/or multiple winwods stations
"Adobe is way better optimized for OSX" adobe performance is much better optimized for winwods as majority of user based is on the OS
when you think about these kinda things I would like you to think globally
however even if we thought US only were majority of Apple users today: Windows holds 57.37% of the desktop OS market in the US, macOS holds 29.62%
the majority of the marketspace in the US still is for Windows
these are facts not an opinion to agree or disagree with
Having issues with my 2017 MacBook Air. For paying so much for the laptop, $1,500 Apple should have the capabilities to recover my data. Now I’ll have to pay at least $1K to recover my data. It was either recover it or reformat the Hard drive and lose everything. Absolutely absurd, never buying an Apple Mac again.
The best feature about the MacBook M* is the power efficiency. If I want raw power, I'll get a desktop (as I have - got a x86-64 PC).
Try beating a full 7-10h day on battery without recharging while doing IntelliJ, surfing and Teams (got the M1 Max 16" MacBook for work and a M1 Pro for home use). It's unbeatable in power efficiency.
Though I'd have preferred Ubuntu or something Linux (Asahi Linux is not yet there, but the guys there are amazing). I am done with Windows. 7 was awesome, 10 was okay - 11 is crap. And I've been using DOS and Windows since 3.22 and 3.1 respectively.
You are comparing apples to pears - the x86-64 chips might be faster, but I don't need another cooker. ARM laptops might have a chance, but the 8cx gen 3 is a joke compared to the M1.
But it's fine. Please don't all go buy the ideal laptop (out of the existing choices, the MacBook is nowhere near perfect or ideal), because it'll make the MacBooks even more expensive. Go buy the bricks, that are only powerful with incredible fans attached and only on a power cord.
Yes this. I work as a Linux sysadmin/devops engineer... Ironically my entire team at home use m1 macs for all of these reasons. I MISS Linux, I MISS gaming on the go even but you can't beat not charging your laptop for 3 days and still being at 75 percent .
@@KILLERTX95 no way what macbook do u have i have to charge my MacBook m1 pro 3 times a day as a backend and DevOps
running all these docker containers / K8 and doing all these ansible tasks alongside using vscode/nvim (depends what lang I'm dev with)
no way 3 days without charging and only down to 75%
@@ko-Daegu well if you're running all your stuff locally, sure. That makes sense.
I have a mac m1 air, and run the vast majority of my work on external servers, work and personal. Outside of international travel, I treat my MacBook like a glorified thin client.
@@KILLERTX95 life doesn't work like that thou buddy
you can't tell me your device perfomes great if you did all the compiling, running and testing else where
of course we deploy ML models to runpod and we use AWS and other cloud services but won't count those and say hey look my device can do x and y cuz it didn't
@@ko-Daegu huh? Honestly, it sounds like you're reading between the lines that aren't even there. I never actually said anything like that. Why the hell do you compile locally anyway.. Not only is it wildly inefficient it's kinda a security issue as well man? I was just replying to the OP saying my team who work primarily on Linux use Macs as a daily driver because they are awesome.
Fix your workflow man.
just have a hard time considering an intel based laptop currently when their performance gets crippled on battery, often has fans running full blast and not particularly great battery life in most cases vis a vis the Macbook's.
Is your first laptop a 2020 Macbook? Sounds like you just describe every laptop ever
AMD laptops can have same performance on battery. Some Last gen AMD 6800h can smoke this gen apple on battery.its cheaper coz it's last gen.
@@vmafarah9473 yep. that's why i called out intel. get tired of watching my intel laptops choke the moment they are unplugged.
I would prefer MacBook Pro over all those laptops. I use windows laptop since five years , rather than buying those windows laptops I’ll build a PC 👍🏻 it’ll last longer than those laptops believe it 😂😂. And laptop means portability and if you can’t even run 8-10 hours without the charger what’s the point?? ROG strix 😂😂 I’m talking about you.
All those laptops are huge chunks I know I like windows and Mac OS. But when come to macbook 13 or 14 inch are my go to size I’m a music producer and video editor and I travel a lot so I’m not comfortable with those 15.6-16inch huge chunky laptops with big chargers
Many of these laptops will be great in the winter for keeping you warm if you can bare the fan noise....
That's actually a great idea 👍
Every laptop should have the ability to allow installing an optical drive. If I want an optical drive, I want an optical drive. Its absence is a bug, not a feature.
Absolutely not. There's too much performance to sacrifice on something only occasionally used. You could have a larger battery, more storage, better heat sinks, etc. They also add bulk. Furthermore USB powered optical drives are $20. Also why use optical storage when it stores less and is more prone to failure than solid state solutions? It makes no sense!
How on earth could you think the asus studiobook 16 will only be $2000
Didnt really watch the full thing but IN MY OPINION one of the reasons why people still opt for macs instead of windows is based on what they need the computer for. I design, edit videos, produce music + use my macbook for work and all the things i use for work & creatively runs better on mac or im just used to macs os running in its own hardware. there are companies out there that makes higher spec'd computer than macs but in my experience, ive never had a windows laptop last me more than 2 years and ive had macs last me for 3-5+ years or more actually, i just recently switched to an M1 (from a perfectly running 2015 pro)
Use linux for all those things then. It's not the laptop that is roasting the battery it's Windows.
Dell xps cannot really keep up with mac cause of the thermal problems.The other laptops except the asus proart are designed for gaming and not only the battery life but also the portability is crap.The only laptop i can really see being a direct competitor to mac is the asus.
Just because they can game 10x better than a Mac doesn't mean they are only for gaming. They can do everything a Mac can do and then some. Battery life is where you're right and that's the real trade-off.
AMD laptops can give 15 hour . They both uses TSMC node to manufacture chips.
WINDOWS cannot keep up. XPS has no problem keeping up running linux.
I had an Alienware R15 back in the day and a MacBook Air. I still today use my Air only, you could have all the hardware in the world, but portability matters when talking about a laptop. I don't want to carry 5 pounds and a charger every time I want to go portable
Whats the battery life like on the ASUS Probook? Whats the performance when its not plugged in? Have you tried these and reviewed them or just reading a flyer? I ask because i dont want a Macbook but nothing else can compete right now as a package.
I am not apple fan boy, and always a surface user. But windows battery performance always disappointing me.
I don't game,I just want a machine working outdoor, that's why it's called a laptop.
I have been a Windows user since Windows 95 if I don't mistake. But, I am a Macbook user now. I really like my Macbook now. The only thing I miss from my Windows is a few apps that run in Windows only. If you use a laptop other than for gaming purpose, you will love Macbook
You know what-this is still a problem for Apple Silicon. Don't listen to people trash talking on bad battery life and power consumption on x86 processors in laptops. Surely my MacBook Air can last days without a charge with my use case, same to an M2 14", but they can't run MatLab or Solidworks. Meanwhile these 5 can do that. Would you rather buy a laptop which can run these but might need to be constantly plugged in, or a laptop with this great battery life but has all sorts of compatibility issues here and there? Your choice.
10:57 "but the most impressive thing is that it comes with a windows hello IR facial recognition camera"
What a thoughtless thing to say. The most impressive things about the razer blade are obviously the CPU, GPU, and maybe the relative compactness of the chasis.
Also. A huge selling point of the apple silicon chips are their performance to power efficiency ratio which none of these machines can dream of competing with.
What about battery life? That's what i thought made the ms so great power plus long lasting.
A lot of the m-series apple macbooks vs windows laptops are a whole lot of “tell me you don’t understand macbooks without telling me you don’t understand macbooks”. This one is a prime example.
So this video basically told me to build a gaming PC since these laptops need to stay plugged in.
“Can’t go wrong with Windows”
The only computer I’ve run windows on that didn’t constantly crash or need to be restarted daily (or more often) was on my Mac using bootcamp!
The only laptop that support all my 3d apps and render engines natively are windows laps.
Not true. Linux will run anything that Windows can run @@vmafarah9473
No use having battery efficiency when it can’t do what I wanted
Just keep them near a big power supply 😊
My Huawei matebook last longer than my Mac got more storage can run games and all uni students at my school needed to switch out there MacBook cause it can’t hack the programs we use and it is cheaper lol. 13 hour battery life I get 8 months in. I need to sell my MacBook the m2 chip was meh.
Or just ditch windows altogether since it's garbage.
When quoting prices, put the dollar sign ($) in front of the amount. For example, the Razer laptop cost the nerd $4,500.
Notification dropped just when I picked up my M1 14" pro......it's like Windows just wanted to pass through to say hi..😅😂
The worst part about Windows on Laptops is the absolutely shitty standby management. Had an HP Elitebook which was empty after being 2 hours in standby.
Watched a similar video back then. Bought a Surface Pro 6 instead of Apple. Never regretted something more than this. Absolutely no comparison. My girlfriend has a macbook air and it operates much better than my maxed out Surface Pro 6. Its the OS. You can‘t compete with Apple for everyday use, office etc.
There is no world where a Macbook Air operates better than a Surface Pro 6. If it works better for you you probably picked out the wrong kind of laptop for whatever you're using it for.
Don't blame the laptop blame the operating system. Ditch Windows and use linux and you'll be happier than a pig in shit
Although he doesn point out that some of these devices will outperform the macbook pros, which is true, you have to consider a couple things. Those windows laptops will surely drop their performance by as much as half when they are on battery, whereas macbook's aren't effected. This leads to macbooks having longer battery life, while also keeping consistent performance on battery. Another crucial topic not brought up here is fan noise and heat. Although macbook fans can be audible under high tasks, because of their higher power consumption, these windows machine will most certainly have jet engine like fan noise and get uncomfortably warm to the touch. So in conclusion, by ignoring the thermals and fan noise section, as well as battery life and power consumption, you only tell half the true story.
Apps and Battery life is better on Mac.
No need to restart for a month unlike windows which needs to restart almost everyday because of os glitches and apps are behaving weird.
Lol I haven't had those experiences on windows and for me apps I use are more likely to work better than the Mac version.
because macs don't have dedicated GPUs
Blame windows then, not the laptop. Running linux, any one of these laptops will make a macbook pro look like a kid's toy.
I have a MacBook Pro M2 and this computer battery last forever and the fan doesn’t kicked off no matter what I am doing. Windows computer cooling system can be problematic. I have a window machine (Dell XPS) for work that costed my company 2k and it’s been a nightmare.
I just want to say that apart from the design, power and silence of MacBooks, I also love the complete absence of Windows. I hate windows beyond RUclips's censoring limitations. Linux improved greatly after Ubuntu redesigned based on iPadOS, but having Microsoft annoy the F out of me with 10 then 11, there is NO WAY I will ever get a Windows craputer again.
The Notebook is nice, but the dock is really cheap. 60 Hz? I would rather use directly USB-C with higher refresh rate.
For me the only laptop I could buy would be one supported by Linux. Actually if you need only a RAW CPU/GPU power (Razer laptop comes with ~350W charger) I'd rather consider buying a normal PC and not a laptop which is hot, loud and very expensive.
you are right, ppl buy macbook for m efficiency, but efficiency and performance are not the same thing, and you are using them as synonyms.
The unfortunate side to most creative devices is they aren't easily available. Creatives a re a niche group, so most of the time you will not see Razer Blade in stores. You will however see some higher end Lenovos... I personally had to ship my MSI Z16 from the USA in order to get thin, light and performant. Heating is an issue with it, but having to compromise is okay if you get 90% of what you need.
Not a great comparison at all. Many people have said it, but the video just didn't get into power consumption and efficiency of the Macs. I love my Razer Blade 17, but unplugged, performs like a boat.
Alternate title: Man explains something we already know: Windows laptops are less expensive but specs alone is not the main selling point for Mac users.
Yep, second this.
Sure they “smoke” the MacBooks but only while plugged in and they’ll last a maximum of half the time. You can’t really compare macs to windows anymore, if you’re buying a mac, there’s a reason. Either you need or it you want it
Mac seems to have new feature, unified memory. This is huge plus for 3d rendering work if i can have 24-32 GB graphics memory compared to gaming laptop 8Gb. GPU is 15x faster than CPU, but i can't use it. Ryzen 6850u scored under 200 points in Blender render, Mac GPU got 1600 points.
Since i got the M1 i will not ever accept any computer that makes any noise when i'm barely doing anything.
Another one you could have mentioned is the 2022 model of the Asus ROG Zephyrus g14. It has the premium feel and the sleek design only the macbooks and the XPS have and has similar specs to the blade.
The Zephyrus does not have the premium feel of a macbook
@@Shadow-fb7nw This is not a subjective thing. Making a laptop out of the same material and putting a high quality screen, that is using the same display technology, on it will result in a device of a similar feel. You cant just deny what I said, without giving a proper reason. I for my part, speak from experience, since I have held in my hands/ worked with both devices.
@@friendlyperson9841 Um... how about not really. If you have different heights for keyboards. A different opening mechanism. Different trackpads. Different fan technologies... Really not the same at all. I've tried the G14, and I don't feel like it felt as good as my m1 macbook air.
@@vlee9275 Yeah, the asus ROG G14 is made of plastic.
@@friendlyperson9841 Nah they're right. It feels like a cheap toy in comparison.
This only convinces me to buy a macbook if anything, the m2 air with 24gb's of ram.. portability, work power and amazing efficiency. I don't wanna lug around a gaming laptop that will break my back while also having to store a power brick as heavy as a building brick for it to be an effective device. Better get a macbook and a windows gaming PC on the side.
100%. Mac is for serious laptop users. Windows for desktop.
These comparisons are hysterical. Not one of these computers is usable without an outlet and tolerance for embarrassing fan speeds & noise. Oh… that’s right, these power hungry heaters also relegate you to using the worst, most vulnerable OS on the planet. In other words, benchmarks mean shit… in the real world, these PCs are crap.
Wonderfully said.
Some Last gen AMD laptops can smoke this gen MacPros on battery and it's cheap coz it's last gen. They both use tsmc node to make The CPU. Some AMD models can give 20hiur backup.youbcan downclock laptop to improve thermals coz AMD laptops boost over 5.4GHz as desktop while apple sits on 3.4 GHz.
@@vmafarah9473 Those are valid points and possibly true. Perhaps some real world comparisons would be great. I guess it also depends on what your use case is as to which platform provides the best solution for an individual’s needs. I’ve always rooted for AMD but haven’t found their CPUs to perform as well as Intel in practice…however, that was years ago and that may no longer be the case.
In the real world, while these Wintel laptops may have poor battery life, poor perf on battery or that S0 sleep issue Linus called out months ago, _app compatibility_ is still a problem for Apple Silicon. Don't listen to people trash talking on bad battery life and power consumption on x86 processors in laptops. Surely my MacBook Air can last days without a charge with my use case, same to an M2 14", but they can't run MatLab or Solidworks. Meanwhile these 5 can do that. Would you rather buy a laptop which can run these but might need to be constantly plugged in, or a laptop with this great battery life but has all sorts of compatibility issues here and there? Your choice.
@@anetizen6404 App compatibility is getting better. Look at how many apps got optimized for Apple Silicon since launch in 2020.
The problem of these laptops is not distributed very well around the globe
No MacOS? No thanks
Hackintosh?
Right?
Totally agreed.
wth are you comparing to the macbook?? These are gaming thick, plastic and laptop devices that gotta be plugged in 24/7.
The only direct comparison you mentioned is the XPS and the macbook still dominates it in every metric.
I still prefer MacBooks
Average apple meat rider😂
If I want raw computing power I can get a desktop pc, the ENTIRE point of buying a mac with apple silicon is the efficiency and thus, battery life.
Linux has entered the chat.
Macbook pro is for babies
Sorry, but almost all of these are horrible alternatives. If you want gaming power get a desktop.
The only thing you seem to have focused on is the CPU/GPU performance. Almost all of these options are significantly heavier, have terrible battery life, honestly look quite ugly, and are not very versatile other than just acting as a desktop PC without actually being one. The MacBook is great because it's very versatile and does a lot of things well; it has great performance, great battery life, a nice bright screen, great touchpad and keyboard, good speakers, and fairly lightweight. Show me alternative laptops that are good at all those aspects, like the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i/9i.
windows is the battery hog. load linux on any of these and they will make a mb look like the crap that they are
i bought a mac because i can t stand the battery life of windows laptop. what does power means if it does not works...mac is not superior in power it is superior in balancing hight performance, battery life, track pad that is usefull ect...yesterday i enjoyed i life were i could work from 10 am to 9 pm and it remained 39% of the battery, not mentionning that spotify was running on the background from 5pm. that is something i never felt with windows (2000 euros xps13 with a battery that was useless 2 years after not anymore)
I watched this video from a MacBook Pro M3 Pro I bought two weeks ago. Asus Proart studiobook 16 Oled looks awesome.
I need to know the name of every laptop that has as much battery life as MacBooks and still performs quit well
All of them, if you ditch Windows and use linux
Depends what you’re using it for.
Most people aren’t content creators.
For them (the average person who’s not a Tech Nerd) Macs just work and probably integrate with the Apple ecosystem.
best thing about the mac is it stays cool on your lap
arthur WHINER is the only one who has a problem with the new macbooks, because he couldnt wait for updated driver support on his m2 macbook pro
The best thing about Macbook Pro is the Design, the Display, the Speaker, The Trackpad/ Keyboard, The Power. Windows Laptop pale in comparison
Please do some real-world performance comparisons. Tech specs ain't everything.
I'm sure the Macbook Pro will "smoke" a lot of of the intel laptops you recommend
If it is gaming, then no contest
With my all respect for your effort
But most people buy Mac laptops only because for it's efficiency when it comes to battery life
None of any windows laptops out performed what any MacBook llaptops had delivered
That's because Windows is a power hog. It's not the laptops causing the problem it's the OS. Load linux on any of these and it will run for days.
@@antiunclematter9502nux user driendly fir a non it intuitive noob ?😅
@@GetnodramaThat makes zero sense but linux is very user friendly. Many distros are far more intuitive and easier to use than windows.
@@antiunclematter9502 thank you, i guess i would feel lost without windows for a while. Yet if i dont have these neverending script loops that take all the RAM i would jump away. Im not an IT but i would go with the superior tech, ios architecture.
I am looking for the lightest weight of a laptop that I can access my desktop remotely, and also edit documents in microsoft office
The biggest MBP advantage is battery life… that is where all windows notebooks fail extremely.
I want to know what is the best laptop money can buy regardless of cost. Every time I've done these best for the money I have been let down enormously, and I'm talking about dell xps models that are always around $2,500. I need something that can chew through Lightroom edits of R5 photos, and at least handle 4K editing smoothly.
Personally, I find that it's completely dependent on your workflow. I can't stand to do content creation on a laptop so battery is never a consideration as I will only edit while back at my desk where I can work on dual color accurate 32" monitors. It's way too cramped to work on a complex Premiere timeline with after effects on a small screen. On a big screen you can arrange everything on two screens for a much more enjoyable workflow. So in that sense, I don't care if the full power of the laptop is only available with the brick plugged in. Most laptops give you plenty of battery power for just consuming content while on a flight and now just about all flights have charging ports and if they don't, a 60W+ battery pack does the trick in a pinch.
Unless I absolutely have to do content creation on the road, my laptop collects dust. I can certainly see the merits of the MBP if you have to get a lot done on the go but my goodness do i find it dreadful to work on a small screen. Especially when you're spoiled by a powerful desktop that can do it all. I certainly appreciate the dedicated power for encoding baked into the new Apple silicon, that's a nice touch for sure. Naturally if you're a final cut aficionado, the choice is the Apple route.
I cant for the love of me think how painful it must be to work on those 2 massive monitors of yours. Unless you have fish sight, your neck must look like a roulette by now... Buy a bigger screen my man if you need more screen space. Were not meant to work on ultrawide angles. Our peripheral field of view is useless.
@@AI-qd4vb Don't knock it til you try. It's a game changer to run lightroom on one screen and photoshop on the other with a workspace with everything in plain view at 4k. I find it excruciating to work at 4k on a laptop. On a dual 32" setup on a 4ft depth desk it's perfect, everything I need for workflow is on hand. Same when working on a complicated Premiere timeline with after effects comps on the 2nd screen. Naturally when not working on anything complicated I watch something on the 2nd screen while working on the main one. If you sit 2ft away i can see it being an issue but I have both on arms about 3.5 - 4ft away from me with all the space on the desk surface free for cameras, drones, 3d camera and all the other myriad of things that get taken on the field. Doing flambient flash photography is an eye strain but the dual screen setup isn't. I don't need portability, I can't stand to work on a laptop without the usual accoutrements for a faster workflow. (drawing tablet, ergo mouse, keyboard with custom programmable keybinds etc). I'm in a very particular field mind you, in my neck of the woods real estate agents are mandated to go to market almost immediately, so i have to pump the day's production for the next day (same night ideally), anything that can help workflow is crucially important.
For my needs, these options wouldn't be the right alternatives. What I need as a frontend developer with design focus and a musician: Great CPU and I/O performance, great display, good speakers, and quiet operation, also when driving two external screens. MBPs deliver just that, some AMD laptops would also fit the bill. What I don't like about Macs is that you can't upgrade them or repair them easily, and I don't need all the GPU power of Apple's Pro/Max chips, but I need to go for them to connect two external screens. And I don't want to run Windows, so for a PC laptop, great Linux compatibility would be a top priority. I guess the closest thing would be an AMD Framework which comes with the added benefit of easy repairability/upgradability but has crappy speakers.
system76 oryx pro is probably the best linux laptop. Runs their native pop_os destro they make themselves. You can always switch to a different distro if you want.
@@scummymulisha Looks pretty good! I also like their Pop!_OS, and I can't wait to play with the Cosmic Desktop that's currently in development. Tuxedo also has some nice Linux laptops. But I really like the mission of Framework, even though they are quite expensive, at least initially, not considering future upgrades. I'll always have my eyes open for Apple alternatives, but for now, I'm sticking with the Mac.
Yeah right, more performance than the M2s, until you unplug it, then the table turns even in 3D rendering, and your battery goes to shit, and for a laptop, the whole point is to use it unplugged on the go, not connected to an outlet like a desktop because at that point, you might as well build an itx PC, not to mention windows laptop QC often sucks.
That's the fault of Windows not the laptop itself. Windows is a hog. Any of these laptops running Linux will outperform macbook pro in all areas.
OLED screen is the kill feature for me on a new laptop. Another killer feature is upgradability.
I already have Macbook Pro 16 provided by company so my personal laptop will be an OLED Windows Laptop with upgradable RAM/SSD.
If Macbook support OLED then I will buy one as my personal laptop and just spend more money upfront for RAM/SSD.
The problem is that with oled, the battery will last even less than usual, which is already atrocious on windows
@@ethany.2981 So using dark mode will help since OLED only need to light the bright pixels.
My main issue with other laptops is Windows itself and I don't trust most other batterie run times. If gaming is priority don't even consider MacBooks.
As an Apple user, what I miss is Windows. It’s a double edged sword…one side is its flexibility, and other, is its flexibility. It’s both good and bad, but what I will say…I hate Apples OS. I still haven’t gotten use to it, after many years. BUT…that might be because I’m a programmer, that got tired hardware to software fails on my PC. I don’t have time to bother, figuring out integration problems on every PC I own. My big dilemma…I still miss Windows, no matter what.
@@Bat_BoyI HATE Windows tbh. I don’t like anything about Windows really.
I’d rather “waste my money” than have to ever use windows, ever again. It’s awful
Sigh, The RAM comparisons to MAC are totally irrelevant since the two architectures uses RAM fundamentally different.
I can't foresee ever going back to Windows. M1 Macbook: no fans, no heat, makes my old i9 seem like molasses, and no Windows to deal with. I'd use Linux before 11.