Stossel: Academic Hoax
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- Journals applaud seven outrageously fake papers.
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Three academics conducted what they call a "grievance studies" experiment. They wrote fake papers on ridiculous subjects and submitted them to prominent academic journals in fields that study gender, race, and sexuality.
They did this to "expose a political corruption that has taken hold of the universities," say the hoaxers in a video which documented the process.
John Stossel interviewed James Lindsay and Peter Boghossian who, along with Helen Pluckrose, sent so-called research papers to 20 journals.
They were surprised when seven papers were accepted. One claimed that "dog humping incidents at dog parks" can be taken as "evidence of rape culture." It was honored as "excellent scholarship."
Another paper rewrote a section of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf as intersectional feminism.
Stossel assumed that the journals would apologize for publishing nonsense and question the quality of their scholarship. But instead they criticized the the hoaxers, complaining that they "engaged in flawed and unethical research."
Of course, that was the point of the hoax.
Boghossian is unapologetic, telling Stossel the hoax shows "scholarship in these disciplines is utterly corrupted … they have placed an agenda before the truth."
When Stossel suggests, "maybe you are just conservative hacks looking to defend your white privilege." Lindsay replied "I've never voted for a Republican in my life." Boghossian added, "Nor have I."
Stossel says what upsets him is that after the hoax "no university said 'we're not gonna use these journals' and no editor publicly said, 'we have to raise our standards.'"
Instead, Portland State University began disciplinary procedures against Boghossian.
The views expressed in this video are solely those of John Stossel; his independent production company, Stossel Productions; and the people he interviews. The claims and opinions set forth in the video and accompanying text are not necessarily those of Reason.
"we rewrote a section of Mein Kampf as intersectional feminism"
Absolute legend
Man scientifically proves unhealthy and overzealous bias exists in academic journals; *gets fired.*
Woman does same thing. Feminists revoked her woman card.
I've followed this a bit for months now, and the hoaxers are facing serious repurcussions. They should be seen as heroes, and as champions of scholarship.
Sad to say. It was an experiment that revealed a lack of professional standards in the discipline. They should be given medals.
@@brianrajala7671 agree. this is the scientific method in action.
They out and out lied though (see the dog research) and you can do that in any field and it has been done: think of medicine and construction...
@@michellelekas211 thats the whole point of peer review. if you cant tell the obvious fake from real then the peer reviewer doing the review obviously should not be working in the field. the peer reviewer is the gatekeeper and is also supposed to be a credible independent expert in the field who should be able to tell the difference between complete nonsense and actual papers.
Peter has faced the worst backlash as he works for a university. Thankfully James and Helen are self-employed or at least non-university affiliated
We need more videos and articles like this to stop the insanity.
@Paramecium Tollies Not in all fields. In the SJW, AA and gender studies or grievance studies areas I would agree but not in objective studies like science, physics, IT, etc.
@Paramecium Tollies dumbest thing ive ever heard
@@istt Sorry, but even the hard sciences have been compromised by political agendas. Try doing real climate research in today's political environment. Depending on where your funding comes from, the wrong finding could get your entire budget killed and your research scraped. Try to do real research on the efficacy of various cancer treatments when you have big pharma funding oncology research and doctor training. The reality of the predetermined outcome is killing objective science. Pretty soon the politicians and oligarchs will be reinventing physics to suit their agendas.
@Sophia Anatolios Poppycock! I'm an engineering grad and getting one of those STEM jobs actually fitted to our major may as well statistically impossible. You know where those engineers come from? Usually internally and with almost nothing to do with the colleges!
Education is A good, not good in itself. Those bastards in their ivory towers sold us a bill of goods, and if they cannot justify their price tag, then they must abdicate their status as the gatekeeper of jobs. Or else college will become another checkbox, rather than an achievement of meaning.
Um, I think practical tests were effectively outlawed due to some bureaucratic nonsense about discrimination
You guys are fighting the fight for the silent majority. Have an upvote
that moment when you confuse youtube with reddit
@@thatmanmarvin1776 RedTube
How can you teach someone a lesson who already thinks they know everything?
This is the problem my father had who was a math professor. He was taught only to ask questions he knows the answer for, and unfortunately he took this teaching outside of the classroom limiting his growth later on in life.
Answer:. You don't. Save your breath.
This.
This is hilariously sad.
And scary.
Lmao. Such a fact bro!
well... its scary and true... In Canada, for many Colleges, if you do not complete the globalization or gender equality course, you can't graduate.
In some Universities, kids promote Communism, i saw some Antifa guys holding the old Soviet Union Flag in Campus...
You know what i did?. I quit school, i strongly thought it was a waste of money.
Academic fraud in publishing has been an issue for years. Heroes!
"They just described their own discipline" 😂😂
haha best line!!
And the straight face when he said that… I’m dead.
He's absolutely right though, which makes it even funnier.
"Who's the more foolish: the fool or the fool who follows it?"
LOL, 👌
The wisdom of Obi-Wan Kenobi
May the farce be with you...
Yes
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools
Romans 1:22
Amen!
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe in them."
-- George Orwell
It won't stop until students stop attending (tuition) alumni stop supporting (donations) and states stop funding (taxpayer money).
Low level state school enrollment is way down!
reminds me of the simpsons episode where Mr. Burns is considering donating to Yale but is exposed to their liberal doctrine in its full glory.
And employers stop hiring these politically correct sillies.....Which they've already begun to do....
Women's studies programs should be defunded. In the rush to create a new scientific discipline they have ignored basic principles of sound schloarship.
Wikipedia is far more strict about what info and text is in their articles than these journals.... WIKIPEDIA!
Wikipedia is certainly not an infallible bastion of always accurate and unbiased information or of impeccable journalistic ethics. Granted, it is far apart from trashy "academic" journals such as the ones mentioned by Stossel. And it may be better than, say, mainstream news. However, Wikipedia has a reputation for being *unreliable* and for *being biased* that goes back *years.* It has yet to shake this reputation. Myself and some others say it's a reputation that it deserves.
Im sorry but wikipedia is terribly bias on many many subjects
@@krisofamericaBut, Wikipedia is NOT an academic journal that students and professors would use (cite), when writing their own articles for academic journals.
That was great. They'll never learn, but still entertaining to those of us who know its all garbage anyway.
@Huey Iroquois I know right?!? But Hey, maybe the water really is turning the friggin frogs gay
Andrew S that’s an actual article in the Smithsonian publication.
FYI: That feminist glacier talk was a TEDx (not TED) talk though, basically where bad ideas go to die.
Or where good yet disruptive ideas get exiled.
Ted-exed
Research by men about men? No it's about glaciers...
True. I've been to a TEDx event once. One of the talks was an 18 yo girl claiming she has the solution to our energy problem. The solution was something that I had in highschool physics when I was 15. My physics teacher also told us that this solution is economically not feasible.
Unfortunately, the girl's Physics teacher apparently did not told her that. However, since 98% of the population is scientifically illiterate, they all ate it up. True example that we live in an Idiocracy.
@@voiceofstem
Not quite yet. We've yet to jail or commit someone who claims that they're a time traveler and we're all behaving like idiots...
Suspended? These men are god damn heroes.
I wish I could be upvote this 1000 times. Damn fine comment.
I am very much looking forward to the follow-up to this. I'm in my mid-forties and experienced college in the early 1990s and the mid-2000s. The difference was both amazing to witness and disheartening. It was amazing to see how collegiate study went from a learning-based, academic rigor with free thought and hearty discourse to a single goal of extracting money for grades. It was disheartening to see the free flow of ideas stripped down to a single viewpoint of leftist or you are wrong mentality.
We gen xers had to watch this in real time
So much for the great college education of the United States!! Now you can understand why foreign or H1B visa workers are so heavily sought by U.S companies!!!
Stossel is the best. End off.
We honestly don't deserve Stossel, he's just too good at being a real journalist.
ummm, actually he is late to the party. See this and note the date... ruclips.net/video/6vaUNsdeCOI/видео.html
*stoßel
@@hauntologicalwittgensteini2542 Euer Buchstabieren ist gut.
It reminds me of the story “The Emperors New clothes”. Only in this version when the child proclaims “The emperor is naked!“ the child is chastised and beaten!
By those that support the emperor. Regular folks like us laugh at them so there's hope for humanity
When I was in university for business we had the same issue with our text books. Outdated, made up, or even illegal information that was held as gospel in classes by the teachers and TAs. But in the real world, common sense, or 5 minutes of research showed was totally crap.
Illegal? Go on...
@@MilwaukeeF40C I think he means he was learning business administration and the textbooks suggested as good business practice things which it would be unlawful to do.
@@david672orford Yeah that's up my alley figuratively. I'm more advanced than actual alley business these days.
That sounds like an accrual credible opportunity for a wrongful termination lawsuit. Push for financial compensation and disciplinary action against the administrators responsible.
Kinda reminded me of the video of the guy who was asking people in NYC what are women inherently better at than men (all men and women had no problem answering) but then asked what are men inherently better at than women-to which crickets, blank stares and tears ensued. It was absolutely pathetic and sad. One woman acted like she wanted to call police after being asked the latter.
If you've ever worked in academia, you shouldn't find this surprising. Look up "entitlement" and one of the examples should be a professor.
You ain't lying there. The professors at my brother's college (Wright State University in Dayton, OH) are currently on strike. That's right - college professors, whose jobs are frequently ranked as some of the easiest - are in a union and they have gone on strike.
We should end the financial aid and occupational licensing laws that keep colleges afloat and let the market fill the void. My guess is that we'd have no-frills universities for intensive subjects like law, medicine, engineering, etc. along with some "boot camp" style programs for lower/mid level IT professionals and white collar workers. There would obviously be a bunch of trade schools for things like plumbing, carpentry, auto tech, etc.
The government has turned a college degree into the new high school diploma - something that won't land you a decent job on its own, but only signifies that you meet the minimum standard for employment. If we ended government involvement in education, everyone could just get the level of education commensurate with their desired position in the job market, and it would be a hell of a lot cheaper and quicker for everyone.
"They didn't prove, that's the problem"
True... they didn't prove it was gibberish. All they did was demonstrate that the leading experts in the field can't tell the difference between legitimate research and gibberish.
I guess that's a problem when you're asking people to comit to a counter-intuitive and unfalsifiable philosophy. Appealing to your own authority is all you really have to go off of, and anything that undermines that risks bringing down the whole house of cards.
And the attack is continuing into stem fields.
I have 7 years to observe what is going on before any of my three children enter university. I will not be sending a dime if this isn't cleaned up by then. I have a feeling that a trade will be paying much better if it hasn't sorted itself out.
Thank you John. Please continue to expose these dingbats
Reminds me of the study from Stanford University in 1997 which looked at over 25,000 college professors and concluded that that feminist academics are all angry, bitter victims who want to make other people's lives miserable. Study is a great read if you want to dig it up on Google.
I think it doesnt matter which political stance you hold everyone should be concerned about these journals
Feminist geography. Just WOW.
Currently we have to think twice before get enrolled in some universities.
I find it quite amusing that it took a journalist to figure this out, and as soon as one journalist publishes one article to the world, all the academic institutions suddenly change their stance and shift the blame.
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"
Are these journals supported by University (tuition) dollars? If so, that is a place to cut costs. The grievance studies departments at the universities should also be shuttered and the savings passed along to students through lower tuition.
It is not really a relevant cost. I wanted to know so I did some digging, Stanford spends "$11 million each year to license over 2,000 relevant and discipline-specific academic databases", which seems like a ton, but that is relative to their $6.3B budget, which is 0.17%. And if we are only removing the feminist and gender studies and the like, then we are talking >1% of that 0.17%. So, it would look like 0.0017% of the budget saved, and tuition can fall from $50K to $49,999, saving the students a dollar. It is a better use of the dollar, but not really relevant as a cost cutting tool.
Loathomar The $11 million would cover tuition, room and board for over 150 students. I’d say that’s material.
@@jealva And $6.3B would cover tuition, room and board for over 86,000 students... But the $11M for for all academic databases, not just crap like feminist and gender and having access to those databases is critical for a lot of real research. So, really, cutting out the useless BS feminist and gender studies crap, would, as most, save you 1% of the $11M, or $110K which could cover one student per year for tuition, room and board, hence not relevant.
@@jealva if free education was a thing
I have been losing faith in humanity for awhile. I keep thinking “okay, now it’s gone,” with the thought that it can’t get any worse, but it keeps getting worse.
The problem is that people take the it ca't get any worse as a challenge.
Hey there are TONS of good, righteous people out there. I gather you're over if them if you're feeling that way. I feel that I am. Keep your head up and look for ways to do good in the world, no matter how small an impact. It all starts with holding doors.
It just keeps getting worse and worse under trump
Lets blaim obama guys
My only expectation is that there will be some kind of outcome. It is disappointment-proof.
I was expecting this video itself to be a hoax. But it wasn't!
The problem with these so-called academic journals is that they are not peer-reviewed and are not worth the paper they are printed on.
Those are the only journals that would publish it, and why James'books are self published vanity press affairs
Wow... That's one of the scariest things I have seen in a long time and show how far we have gone from scientific rigor in the pseudo science of "feels" over facts and reality.
The writers aren’t the clowns 😂
where can we access the interview with these guys?
In the early 80's I was a Research Associate at Cornell. I played poker once a month with faculty members across campus. One, in College of Human Development and Family Services, took scholarly articles that had been published 2-4 years ago by prominent researchers and had them resubmitted to the same publications but from a colleague at a smaller, more obscure college. Nearly all the articles that had been previously accepted were rejected, mostly for methodological flaws. This led us to believe that the concept of "blind review" really doesn't happen.
This reminds me of the infamous Sokal Affair; that even Derrida himself thought tht he must humiliate Sokal on the basis of defending post modernism waves of lunacy
Sokal is who Stossel was referring to when he mentioned the "physicist affair" !!
Holy shit!! I can't believe one of the journals had the balls to sit down with Stossel for an interview! I can't wait to see that train wreck!!!😅😅
Nobody is exposing anything here: they're only offering yet more evidence of that which we already knew.
The term "Peer Reviewed" loses all meaning when the "Peer" is "reviewing' for radical echo-chamber group think...
There's a twitter feed dedicated to sharing nonsense academic studies with the wider world: twitter.com/RealPeerReview
Worth a peruse from time to time, to get a taste of the junk that's trying to pass itself off as valid science/studies.
This is hilarious beyond words. IT NEEDS TO BE DUPLICATED! These guys need to write a book including the papers & use the power of public ridicule to take down entire fields of bogus "study"!
I knew it!!! I’m in one of those classes For my major and all the journal is, is a book that complains!! I have even checked their work cited and they are all either really biased or incomplete!!
Man, this is bull. I actually worked hard in college, in the stem field and it wasnt easy for me. Its hard to BS in there. This video makes sense on why everyone getting a degree so easily these days. Who are the hard workers that are actually doing the work. This is just dissappointing to learn. Is education worth it?
My hubby is a political science professor and he has told me about some of the most ridiculous studies in his field. One such was his boss who got a million dollar grant to study the affects of educational on education. No joke!
This reminds me of my readings about Tofrim Lysenko in the Soviet Union who supposedly proved that organisms do not inherent genes and that you can grow wheat in the dead of a Ukrainian winter if you will it to😆
Does Stossel know you repost his videos? Or is reasonTV his side channel?
With the incentive for publish or parish, combined with grievance studies (which is not anchored in objective reality) leads to this
Who funds the journals and why are professors given raises if they get an article published if that does nothing for enrollment?
And to think there are hundreds, if not thousands, getting away with promoting garbage and insisting that the majority accept it and them as normal thinking or ideology.
Boghossian is one of those rare few with whom I would disagree on a great many things, yet I still feel like we could have a reasoned dialogue over a beer. We need more academics willing to call this crap out when they find it.
They didn't study me.. my suit keeps me covered up.
Holy crap! I actually took a class once from that editor of The Journal of Poetry Therapy. How funny! Higher education isn't what it once was for sure.
Watching stories like this starts to make me think, the fact that 99% of the population doesn't care about this means I must either be one of the only sane people in a world full of morons or I am the crazy one.
I predict that the cost of post secondary education will dramatically fall in the coming years as more people realize that it is not healthy for their children, both mentally and financially. Just in time for the government to offer "free" education that nobody wants.
Ugggh the teaser... don’t do that to us John!!
When are you going to start with the IDW long form interview???
I need some two hour Stossel time!!
Colleges and universities are BUSINESSES - They are NOT INSTITUTIONS TO BENEFIT PEOPLE OR SOCIETY. When they established the rules of professors having to publish research papers on journals, they colleges knew that many of these papers were garbage, but as they played by the rules and complied with the letter of the law, they could not or would not do anything, lest they'd be facing big fat lawsuits for wrongful termination. Those journals multiplied like rabbits because the publishers saw a market for journals that would comply with the universities' requirements and the demand for such publications from the instructors. At no point is there any requirement that the subject be of any true scientific or practical use. Perhaps if the universities focused on hiring and retaining good instructors, providing the best education possible, and foregoing football stadiums and bullshit publications, everyone would benefit, maybe even the students they are supposed to serve.
This makes me want to devote time to writing fake articles. lol
The Butthole Surfers had a whole journal. Called Strange V.D.
As a Canadian, I'm glad that at 1:58 they quoted the Agenda by Steve Paikin.
What I can’t get over is that journals like these even exist and that there’s a market for them.
6:38 long ReasonTV video without criticism of Federal Government or regulations. That's probably a record. On a serious note - interesting stuff, thank you.
Thank you John.
The journals ought to do some detailed introspective examination.
Their problem is internal, not the hoaxers.
The hoaxers did them a favor by exposing how gullible the journals are.
I exposed a hole in the system. They couldn't defend themselves, so they ended up calling me CRAZY...
That glacier painting is quite reminiscent of the act of conception.
This is so awesome. I watch it over and over and share with my friends and colleagues.
This is all on point, but to be fair, I would feel really bad not publishing a paper someone examined 10,000 dog genitals to write. I just couldn't do that to someone.
That cliffhanger at the end stossel... Can't wait to see what the editor has to say.
You go John. Keep up the great reporting.
You can't Jostle the Stossel
Who could ever get their hands on 10,000 dogs? I am surprised they thought it was fact
It's called operation mind-f***
YES PLEASE give them a louder voice .. it's a CATASTROPHY what's happening to academia ...
We rewrote a section of Mein Kampf as Intersectional Feminism and the journal accepted it. That was the greatest thing I have ever heard.
I'm enjoying this metaphorical cannibalism.
The Grievance Studies Affair reminds me so much of when Amanda Fielding and other 'educated elites' literally performed self-trepanation (drilling a hole into their skulls) and was hailed for it, because they could frame it in a certain pseudo-psychological way. A behavior that would get anyone else sectioned and immediately thrown into a psych ward for self-harming behavior. But because some of them were professors and knew the lingo, it wasn't considered mentally ill.
a sociology degree costs the same as an engineering degree.
Colleges are getting so much money from government & student loans that they have totally forgot how to actually earn it.
I am glad they did this, in IT these people revealed a vulnerability in the system and the universities should update their standards and install a patch in the system so they have a more sturdy system.
And the life blood keeping this shit alive is government guaranteed student loans...
The funniest thing I've read all year!! Thank you, John Stossel!!
what a tease I want the video with the guy trying to defend this bs and I want it asap plz
Yeah they usually don't butter us up like this. It must be gooood.
You would think that they would want to correct and only publish factual data and articles so when they make arguments, they are coming from a position of strength and not one of possible fiction.
I heard people criticize this on the campus of “Western Michigan University” so obviously a notable doctoral research university such as them are questioning these journals
I'm a leftist and i approve of this video!
I greatly appreciate Reason for exposing this part of academia for what it is. I hope that more people see that this type of political research only stands to hurt the legitimate fields that they are coming to represent. You can study the impact of white privaledge from an objective, unbiased point of view and improve science. These journals don't want that and it's a shame.
Really enjoy your content and appreciate your efforts to highlight the ridiculousness in the country.
The saddest part isn't even the idiocy of the papers, but the very idea such "elite" journals even exist in my opinion.
College is a joke! All good knowledge can be attained online. The only value of the university is to meet people.
Wow - All the more reason not to hire college graduates. Instead issue IQ test and hire based on IQ scores.
All we need is on site training
Can you link to the interview with the journal?
Sad, but I went to school with a bunch of kids for social work degree because I want to help people. It was a bunch of victim teaching and who could be the biggest victim of oppression contests in the class. It was the biggest joke. It was sick really. I wouldn't waste money again on such a joke. You can help people different ways. Run a business and hire individuals with SMI or start a non profit and run it how you want to. Don't bother with going to school for social work....it is a soft science with no value.
Whenever someone says "college is a waste!" someone says "Do you want your surgeon to be self taught?" FINE except for doctors, lawyers, engineers, and a few others it is a waste. The colleges need to cut the fat or all those small liberal arts colleges that dot the small towns of New England will go belly up.
What is the TVO interview?
Not all heroes wear capes. God bless these people for exposing this insanity.
Ken MacDonald, judging a broad swath of society based on the actions of a few is a leftist tactic. Which is exactly what you're doing here. Sure, those in higher education do skew to the left politically, but these 3 individuals saw what their leftist academic peers were doing and decided to shine a spotlight on it. That takes guts. And yet instead of being appreciative of their service to the greater good by exposing this nonsense, you'd rather sit here smugly judging them for not agreeing with your positions 100%. Pathetic.
This utter pseudoscientific mindless conformity is not limited to Social Sciences, in fact it is The Norm in every single scientific discipline you can imagine - from Physics to History to Economics. Mindless conformity is the norm, and always has been since the dawn of time. The difference is that you are descrivoring it now.
"Listen, what's the most horrible experience you can imagine? To me-it's being left, unarmed, in a sealed cell with a drooling beast of prey or a maniac who's had some disease that's eaten his brain out. You'd have nothing then but your voice-your voice and your thought. You'd scream to that creature why it should not touch you, you'd have the most eloquent words, the unanswerable words, you'd become the vessel of the absolute truth. And you'd see living eyes watching you and you'd know that the thing can't hear you, that it can't be reached, not reached, not in any way, yet it's breathing and moving there before you with a purpose of its own. That's horror. Well, that's what's hanging over the world, prowling somewhere though mankind, that same thing, something closed, mindless, utterly wanton, but something with an aim and a cunning of its own."
~Steven Mallory, The Fountainhead
Thats whats coming.