Organisms Are Not Made Of Atoms

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  • Опубликовано: 5 ноя 2024

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  • @haldanebdoyle
    @haldanebdoyle 2 года назад +787

    If you are trying to be the Vsauce of biology then you are going about it the right way. Looking forward to seeing this channel grow.

    • @EnlightenedMinarchist
      @EnlightenedMinarchist Год назад +13

      This guy is NOT the Vsauce of biology. Vsauce actually makes good points.

    • @Wizznilliam
      @Wizznilliam Год назад +59

      ​@@EnlightenedMinarchistLOL... What?! What a ridiculous statement to make. Which of the MANY researched points in his videos are not good or valid? This comment is CLEARLY just you being a hater.

    • @Salim-ll6vi
      @Salim-ll6vi Год назад +23

      Definitely NOT the Vsauce of biology. He's unique.

    • @MikeTooleK9S
      @MikeTooleK9S Год назад +21

      Vsauce is more artist-entertainer than “educator”

    • @marca9955
      @marca9955 Год назад +7

      @@Wizznilliam How about the clickbait title?

  • @billi_fl
    @billi_fl Год назад +74

    18:20 ANDDDDD this touches my soul. I've worked with plants all my life and I do Bonsai by the same means. By bending, twisting, applying pressure to and sometimes binding the young tree's branches, you can influence its future growth and transform it farther into an individual plant. We have much to learn from organisms that behave differently to us. Thank you for making videos like these. You make use of your mind very effectively sir!

    • @edmundozaragoza1453
      @edmundozaragoza1453 Год назад +6

      Its not an individual plant. Your manipulating it to your own will. Its self gratification…

    • @SofaKingShit
      @SofaKingShit Год назад +6

      It's the same with children. Inflicting bending, twisting, applying pressure and binding the young person's dreams

    • @cordlefhrichter1520
      @cordlefhrichter1520 Год назад +4

      ​@@SofaKingShitSo you should... what? Just not raise your kids? Let them do whatever they want? Give them no guidance? Teach them nothing about the world and how you should behave within it?

    • @animo9050
      @animo9050 Год назад +7

      @@cordlefhrichter1520 "today we observe a 1 year old toddler in it's natural environment as it hunts for prey"
      in all seriousness though humans need to be raised to actually survive, that's the point of social groups it's in our evolution after all, just look at our ancestor species

    • @jantjarks7946
      @jantjarks7946 Год назад +7

      You cannot raise kids. You can only live by example. If you don't, they learn all your misbehaving traits.
      Kids learn by observing the people around them, not by some stupids waving their fingers talking nonsense.
      If you steal, they learn how to steal.
      You can talk for the whole next decade about not stealing and that it's wrong. They saw what you really do, that's what they learn.
      That doesn't mean they become thieves as adults, as they too have the ability to choose their fate by themselves.
      You can talk from the chalkboard about responsibility as much as you want. Kids sitting still in a classroom learn to sit still and nothing else.
      And if you think you are your kids authority, you lose their friendship for life.
      You are supposed to care for your kids, not to rule them.
      👀😉

  • @trebuchette633
    @trebuchette633 Год назад +75

    Wow - this video is really beautiful, I honestly don't have another word for it.
    You tied together the big-picture philosophy, the biology, and the day-to-day experience of being an individual so well! At the end, the idea of others becoming part of your individuality and flow of self hit me hard, I wasn't expecting that ❤️

    • @skld-xm
      @skld-xm Год назад +1

      susie pfp :O

  • @benjaminjohnson5372
    @benjaminjohnson5372 2 года назад +52

    Absolutely great video. These described processes apply to individuals in reality as well as the entirety of existence itself. The material was wonderfully lit, I appreciate the illumination.

    • @SubAnima
      @SubAnima  2 года назад +5

      Thanks for the support Benjamin!

  • @nazgulXVII
    @nazgulXVII Год назад +170

    Thank you very much. This video gave me a new way to appreciate the bond between me and someone very dear to me who recently died. I am not spiritual, and I was struggling, but the ideas in this video are something my excessively rational brain can accept. So, thank you for making this video!

    • @bugjams
      @bugjams Год назад +10

      Well, that makes sense, since it's all gooey-mushy feel-good psuedoscience. It's barely deeper than those tumblr nonsese posts about how "you're made of stardust, so you're one with the universe!" or something similar.
      Unfortunately this video is useless in any real scientific sense, in fact it's pretty antithetical to most models of biology, since it attempts to deny categorization altogether. We don't have categories because we don't understand the concepts explained in the video - we have them because, without _some_ form of categorization, there's no meaning to anything, and words might as well be gibberish.
      I'm glad this made you feel better (which is the point), but don't be fooled into thinking this is rational or scientific in any real sense. It's more "nebulous" than that! 😅

    • @Ith4qua
      @Ith4qua Год назад

      ​@@bugjamswow. i dont like you.

    • @stephflomx
      @stephflomx Год назад +18

      HAHAHAAH that's literally what Newton though; whooops, here comes all general relativity! Science is about searching for the truth, anyone who thinks they achieved ultimate truth and can efortlessly make the distinction between "valuable" and "useless", that's a true acientific point of view! Categorization is extremely useful but depending the focus you give something it can also be polivalent (light is both a wave and a particle), categories are not meant to be ultimate, and there is a fundamental flaw in thinking science and categories gave birth to "meaning" and organization. No. Human language and it's intrinsic capacity for abstraction is what gave and gives "meaning", "value", "sense" or "direction" (used here as almost synonims) to life since the origin of "humans" (wether you think that is the first civilization, the development of consciousness, language, or something in between/simultaneously). Science is just A KIND of organizational and methodological approach to life problems (the best one for sure!), but you are waaaay off if you think that without "categorization" or a scientific approach, life is meaningles. One last thing, "rational", "scientific" and "logical" are completely different things. False things can be logical, objective things can be non-rational (like tradition, say, eat dinner on the table and not on the kitchen countertop), and science can be rethought, contested, and even eventually be proven wrong -usually but not exclusively by that same scientific thought-@@bugjams

    • @MrReesh
      @MrReesh Год назад +22

      @@bugjams I think you are missing the point. Categorization and the information theory of individuality are not mutually exclusive. Consider digital objects in a simulated world such as a video game. Both software engineers and players can categorize objects into classes such as structures, avatars, weapons, etc --- but what are they all, really? They are just mathematical constructs.

    • @MrReesh
      @MrReesh Год назад +12

      Having experienced loss, I thought you might find comfort in the following poem, which to me seems to have many parallels to this video:
      Memory is not enough...
      I do not recollect. What I am
      is alive in me because of you. I do not reinvent you
      at sadly cooled-off places you have left behind.
      Even your absence is filled
      with your warmth and is more real
      than your not-existing. Longing often meanders
      into vagueness. Why should I throw myself away
      when something in you may be
      touching me, very lightly, like moonlight
      on a window seat.
      Rainer Marie Rilke, Uncollected Poems

  • @dan0_0nad76
    @dan0_0nad76 2 года назад +51

    Your videos are amazing!!!
    I am sure your channel will blow up soon if you keep posting such high quality content

    • @SubAnima
      @SubAnima  2 года назад +4

      Thanks so much, I really appreciate it! Glad you enjoyed them :)).
      Jake

  • @birkuantumkubiti2422
    @birkuantumkubiti2422 Год назад +18

    I've stumbled upon one of your videos by chance and I wish I could've found your channel sooner. (Past me, or the person from the past that has no recollection of memories i've picked up recently would've also like this lol) The topics you choose and the way you present them, everything is great- keep at it!

  • @andrewlee7797
    @andrewlee7797 Год назад +25

    Fantastic! As a student of Buddhism and Western philosophy I feel like you are finishing my sentences. Really good content expertly presented!

  • @fedorkochemasov4533
    @fedorkochemasov4533 Год назад +12

    It's a rare gem to find correct interpretations of Buddhist teachings

  • @shushpuppai
    @shushpuppai Год назад +32

    There’s so much noise in the world, and sometimes I get overwhelmed by how much meaninglessness is being shoved into my brain all the time. Then I come across a video like this and it doesn’t feel so bad to be alive in this day and age.

    • @DenisaNastase
      @DenisaNastase Год назад +3

      Exactly.. this is how it felt for me as well to find this video.

    • @maheshkanojiya4858
      @maheshkanojiya4858 4 месяца назад +1

      Wow what a statement of appreciation

    • @caiolmoraes
      @caiolmoraes 3 месяца назад

      same

    • @privateerburrows
      @privateerburrows 2 месяца назад +1

      Very rare to find someone who synthesizes Eastern and Western concepts, ancient and modern, mysticism, philosophy and science, and makes sense of it all.

  • @borkabrak
    @borkabrak Год назад +20

    I have done some thinking similar to this and reached the conclusion, similar to yours, that we are not objects but events. We don't exactly exist so much as we occur. We happen.
    It's nice to see that I'm not the only one thinking about things like this. And you've explained it here in a manner more lucid than I think I might have been able to. Very well done. Thank you.

    • @Ithirahad
      @Ithirahad Год назад +3

      Any reasonably thorough analysis leads here. Otherwise you have to make some very weird and arbitrary distinctions that probably break down somewhere.

    • @nealesmith1873
      @nealesmith1873 Год назад +1

      We can create too.

    • @bjornrie
      @bjornrie 4 месяца назад +1

      You maybe should look into systems theory if you are interested in this kind of topic.

  • @Ryzeke
    @Ryzeke 2 года назад +25

    Loved the video! I have a somewhat similar philosophy that I didn't know had a sefinition put to it like the one you've explained.
    I have mine simplified as 'Our purpose is to qualitatively measure internal and external states' which I feel captures some of the 'continuous' nature of identity like you highlighted. That being said, thank you for the entertainment and enlightenment!

    • @SubAnima
      @SubAnima  2 года назад +4

      Thank you so much for the kind words! That sounds interesting, similar to Alan Watts philosophy of continuous energy.
      ruclips.net/video/4yaBJVfyy00/видео.html
      If you’d like to read more there is also a sources/further reading doc in the description. Jake

    • @DenisaNastase
      @DenisaNastase Год назад

      "A qualitative measuring of internal and external states" = a relation. We exist by relating. Everything relates and is changed - permanently - by everything else.

  • @nathanmartin3274
    @nathanmartin3274 2 года назад +89

    Incredible video! So interesting and thought-provoking, felt like prime Vsauce :))

  • @alexrodriguez4883
    @alexrodriguez4883 2 года назад +35

    A very interesting video! Good job👍 As a matematician interested in the foundations of mathematical biology, I would love to see more videos like this one. Thanks!

    • @SubAnima
      @SubAnima  2 года назад +4

      Thank you! More are certainly on the way :))

    • @4bidden1
      @4bidden1 Год назад

      @@SubAnimabut the wolf does not control its genetics or environment and is just as subject to the determinism of the universe as the cloud is..

    • @I.Reckon
      @I.Reckon 11 месяцев назад

      @@4bidden1The wolf is a more stable entity than the cloud. The wolf has the will to live and therefor tries to continue to exist.

    • @4bidden1
      @4bidden1 11 месяцев назад

      @@I.Reckon right, but that will is determined by its evolutionary programming

    • @I.Reckon
      @I.Reckon 11 месяцев назад

      @4bidden1 Determinism ensures cause and effect, but choosing the best survival strategy steers Determinism along the path of choice.

  • @marasmiusgoldcrow6746
    @marasmiusgoldcrow6746 Год назад +4

    I've been noticing this most of my life and have been trying to put it all together for myself and friends and family to understand but it's always been piece by piece. You've done a great job putting it in a very digestible fashion. Great job 👍

  • @StrangeCornersOfThought
    @StrangeCornersOfThought 2 года назад +18

    This is a really well done video. Good job.

    • @SubAnima
      @SubAnima  2 года назад +2

      Thanks! Your channel is pretty cool too - subscribed.

  • @TheScreamingFrog916
    @TheScreamingFrog916 Год назад +10

    I've had some of these ideas/questions, floating around in my head, for a long time.
    This video, did a good job, of connecting the dots, and adding clarity to the subject of who/what we are, and how connected/changing, we are.

  • @junipermeadows4112
    @junipermeadows4112 Год назад +6

    This is a wonderful, elegant explanation of process ontology and its implications for our everyday life! Well done!

    • @jdstillwater7C
      @jdstillwater7C 3 месяца назад +1

      Hi, Juniper! Just found this channel, and there's a strong resonance with my work, don't you think? Maybe we should link some of this on RNA's SM channels...

  • @goatmeal5241
    @goatmeal5241 Год назад +5

    Holy crap, what a great channel! I'm just discovering you (first the genetics misconceptions, now this), and you deserve way more subs. I hope my experience is representative of the algorithm starting to favor you. Maybe this comment will help strengthen that =)

  • @josephsimpson4295
    @josephsimpson4295 Год назад +2

    I love the idea that I am the flow. A self aware channel that atoms pass through. Very thought provoking. Thanks.

  • @goatmeal5241
    @goatmeal5241 Год назад +5

    One personally impactful application of this kind of thinking for me is with regard to considering parenthood as a sort of "immortality": you impart not only some portion of your literal genes but also your vibes, values, and ways of interacting with the world in the process of raising a child, and they go forward with that influence in hand. So they become an extension of your impact on the world, in a much more nuanced way than classical "fame"-based immortality or "immortality" through recordings of particular moments in your life which might influence the future when they're watched. Reproduction serves as a temporal extension of the things that make you you, where that "you"-ness gets diluted with all the other influences but continues to interface in a dynamic way with the world.

  • @raminagrobis6112
    @raminagrobis6112 Год назад +1

    I'm a biologist. One of the most difficult type of organisms to envision as an individual is the order of jellyfish called Siphonophores which comprises 175 species, one of which being the venimous Portuguese man o' war. A siphonophore individual, as surprising as it may seem, is made if a colony of "parts" called zooids, where each zooid is only a part of the whole "individual", and where those zooids vary in shape, structure and function. Thus, you have reproductive zooids, digestive zooids, defensive zooids, and other that play mainly mechanical purposes, acting as supports for other specialized zooids, such as tentacles, which can actually be very long (several meters) and on which adhere polypoid zooids that are armed with cnidoblasts, little microscopic bags containing darts (or nematocysts) which are projected at extremely high velocity, penetrate the victim's epiderm thereby injecting a highly posonous toxin.
    The conceptual oroblem with siphonophores starts when one wants to define what each zooid is relative to the whole 'beast'. Individual zooids are only specialized versions of the whole "individual". The life cycle begins with the budding of one blob from one zooid of the "colony", which then forms buds which will evolve into one specialized type of zooid or another, according to a precise genetically programmed body plan.
    The question arises: since every zooid retains autonomous properties to a certain extent, and can free-float to reach its destination on the large jellyfish that a single siphonophore is in reality, one can't call these zooids organs of one individual. On the other hand, as one specialuzed zooid wouldn't survive without the others, at least for a significant period, one cannot consider them as separate organisms (with the same genetic material as rhe others).
    Many theories have interpreted suphonophores as one example of the type of intermediate lifeform that could have existed between liwer and higher invertebrates. So-called lower invertebrates (protozoa, sponges, etc.), which appeared early in the evolution, follow a simple body plan, where different cell types specialize from embryonic one layer out of the main 3 ones. However, that body plan reaches its limits rapidly and is not suitable for larger-sized animals. With siphonophores, which are a relatively primitive type of "coelenterates" (now xalled cnidarians), the specialization of zooids performing unique functions could be thought as one way specialized organs could appear. According to that theory, after increasing integration of the various zooids in one single individual, different "systems" or organs would have ultimately become sheltered under one distinct individual where the various organs cannot obviously exist separately from the other - unlike zooids. Such an evolutionary pathway could mean that siphonophores mught be an intermediate body plan between a lower invertebrate and the higher AND larger ones we now know. In fact, siphonophores could well the earliest body plan used by cnidarians (hydrae, jellyfish, sea anemones, corals, etc) before they adopted the more induvidualuzed organization we know today

  • @VanLightning900
    @VanLightning900 Год назад +10

    I love little hidden gems like this channel 😊

  • @SirPatrickNaughtington
    @SirPatrickNaughtington 8 месяцев назад +1

    a spectrum really seems like a much better way to think about individuality

  • @anthonyrispo1229
    @anthonyrispo1229 Год назад +20

    This is excellent. Process ontology works beautifully in the context of neuroplasticity. Neuroscience is in a great position to help demystify this way of thinking about things.

  • @rafaelarevalo8047
    @rafaelarevalo8047 Год назад +1

    this is an absolutely beautiful video. what an encapsulation of so many ideas. can't believe i didn't find this sooner! excited to see more from you!

  • @luisdmarinborgos9497
    @luisdmarinborgos9497 Год назад +3

    I came to watch a Biology video and ended up seeing one of the deepest philosophical questions I could never imagine. Superb video

  • @gernotensinger4318
    @gernotensinger4318 Год назад +1

    this channel is amazing. I never saw someone communicatr the most modern ideas in theoretical biology as well as you!
    As a biology major I am quite frustrated with the mechanistic, deterministic and reductionist lines of thought which are even in academic circles quite present but should not be the proper way of thinking when discussing the mechanisms of the most complex systems we know. Thank you for your contribution to science!

  • @garethsmith3036
    @garethsmith3036 Год назад +25

    I think this approach of analyzing non philosophical fields through the lens of philosophy is really interesting and cool

    • @Raydensheraj
      @Raydensheraj 11 месяцев назад +2

      It's just mumbo jumbo through. Pretty talk without empirical basis.

    • @gLitCheRR44
      @gLitCheRR44 11 месяцев назад +3

      he's just recycling stuff that has long already been talked about by other channels (like the ship analogy), and then using such things to come to his own conclusions (which aren't exactly accurate)

    • @suaemp4488
      @suaemp4488 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@gLitCheRR44 what have you noticed that he concluded wrong?

    • @bjornrie
      @bjornrie 4 месяца назад +1

      ​​@@RaydensherajNo. You can do such kind of philosophy ON empirical things.
      It's applied philosophy.

  • @sullivan3503
    @sullivan3503 Год назад +1

    As someone who has studied fluid dynamics, this is quite easy. You are a control volume.

  • @TheBtmfdr
    @TheBtmfdr 2 года назад +14

    Great job!!

  • @terrifictomm
    @terrifictomm Год назад +1

    The only way to answer the question, “What am I?” is to look at all those not-arbitrary attributes that come together as a whole; the multitudinous things all working together as one toward a goal.
    What Goal? The only goal that I am capable of perceiving.
    The Goal of Me.
    My existence, my intentions, my experiences. My memories.
    Whatever the experiences of the bacteria and cells making up my body might be having they are irrelevant to my experiences of myself.
    What am I? I am My Self. I am incapable of knowing anything else as intimately as I know My Self. If at all.

  • @67kemo
    @67kemo Год назад +4

    So, I've become a bit of a RUclips snob, i.e. if I can tell you're AI talking, I immediately dislike, close, and block the channel. I've also found presentation styles and keeping the conversation linear are very important to me. You do all these things beautifully, Jake. I look forward to more content from your channel.
    This one did break my brain a bit. One thing on consciousness I've never seen explored, though, (at least, in a non-fiction way) is the possibility that it exists in some point of quantum flux or alternate dimension, and the human mind was the only one that evolved to tap into that state/dimension/whatever? At least, on our planet? I won't even pretend to get the math, so I'm not sure if that's even a logical road to explore, but it would be nice to find if it's gotten any treatment. I haven't been able to find anything, so far.

  • @heinzgassner1057
    @heinzgassner1057 Год назад +2

    ‘Who am I’ can definitely not be answered by rational thought alone. Spinoza outlines this very beautifully and so did Greek philosophers and Advaita Vedanta as well as the Mahayana Buddhists. Our rational thought is like a small boat on the Atlantic Ocean, reality is so much bigger than our rational mind. There is so much more to reality. Mystics are therefore developing knowledge by applying and honoring Rational Thinking, Practice and Experience. The world ‘beyond’ space, time and matter is not accessible for the dissociated human mind, we can only access our ‘real I’ when we gently fall back, in ever widening rings, into the unthinkable and unspeakable here/now, the ONE. Thank you for addressing these key-topics so beautifully and accessible.

  • @Nick-mq6iq
    @Nick-mq6iq Год назад +3

    Thought provoking! I love it!

  • @donlasagnotelamangia
    @donlasagnotelamangia Месяц назад

    Just wanted to say, few videoessays have stuck with me as much as this one, I keep coming back to it, I think of the perspective of individuals as "processes that propagate information about themselves" a lot (especially since I've started studying compsci). The way you also framed it as as a 'twist' in the last chapter was masterfully done!
    Also I think that applying this lens of process ontology to art/culture (which no doubt has already been done) provides some really profound perspectives as well. It feels meaningful on many levels.

  • @mirrormirage0
    @mirrormirage0 Год назад +4

    Beautifully done and a great conclusion. Thank you! Was just pondering about "every interaction being information exchange"... and RUclips recommended this video. Looks like Google has invaded minds too... 😊

  • @AntonOfTheWoods
    @AntonOfTheWoods Год назад +1

    Process ontology (doing) goes some way to understanding the situation but importantly things are also constituted by their relations, relationships and roles in particular activities.
    At heart every "thing" is just a constantly changing collection of Plank-scale wobbles in space-time, and where we put the boundaries has as much to do with the particular type of activity we are participating in as anything physical. And of course these are socially constructed notions...

  • @avidachs4434
    @avidachs4434 Год назад +4

    great video! thanks for sending me here. I fell in love with the idea of interacting humans becoming their own organisms in 2021 so it’s validating to see someone back it up with some actual literature 😂.
    as one small point of criticism: something this video underrepresented is the sense of self from a psychological perspective. the psychological conception of self doesn’t care about replacement of cells and has temporal longevity despite changes in characteristics.
    i concede that if you try to break down our built in sense of self logically then it gets messy (which i understand is what this video is trying to get at) but i still think it’s the best definition of self out there (almost tautologically lol)
    my point is: the best/most practical way to define the individual is the way we have already been wired to define it

    • @SubAnima
      @SubAnima  Год назад +2

      Thanks again Avi! Glad to hear you enjoyed this older video :) You're right I didn't focus much at all on a psychological perspective on the self, which has a lot of depth in its own right.
      I guess I wanted to focus more on biology as a whole, and it's difficult to talk about minds beyond the realm of humans. Certainly many philosophers of mind try, but I haven't read much of that literature at all. Peter Godfrey-Smith's (yes him again) Other Minds was pretty interesting though. Octopuses are very cool: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Minds:_The_Octopus,_the_Sea,_and_the_Deep_Origins_of_Consciousness

  • @evilallensmithee
    @evilallensmithee 11 месяцев назад +2

    0:07 speak for yourself, I’ve literally come up my reflection in a context having no expectation of seeing a reflection. It wasn’t until I tried to got close enough for the reflective situation to reduce to a transparency that I realized it was me.😂

  • @AnkhAnanku
    @AnkhAnanku Год назад +5

    This is one of many reasons I call biology “the squishy science”

  • @KingOfTheDerp
    @KingOfTheDerp Год назад +1

    Amazing video! I’ve been wondering about this for a bit and I was surprised to find a great explanation for it

  • @Sepeario
    @Sepeario 2 года назад +4

    Your room's background is very cool

  • @theunseenstevemcqueen
    @theunseenstevemcqueen Год назад +1

    @16:17 I think the eternal factors are superfluous in the cloud analogy. external forces, when all lumped together, become a constant...there's always gonna be at least one force, one pathway for energy transfer, in the mix to perform the influencer role. So now space, the room to move, the existence of somewhere where change is possible, the spectrum of potentiality, is what makes a cloud less individualized than a person.

  • @kurtbilanoski1608
    @kurtbilanoski1608 Год назад +6

    I absolutely loved this video. It's amazing that our ancient ancestors, despite not having the scientific background of knowledge we have today, were able to acknowledge and integrate into their religious stories this idea of the impermanent, ever flowing self.
    It's been over a year since this video was released, so I'm sure no one's reading the comments hear. But, there was one point in the video that I disagreed with: the part mentioning the more concrete "line" that separates objects that don't exchange sufficient amounts of information.
    When we touch a tree, that interaction itself might not impart much change in either entity. However, the c02 we breathe out statistically will end up being breathed by that tree. At some point in time, my desire for a piece of paper may cause the tree to be cut down. Driving a car and creating plastic dust with my tires might flow into a stream and eventually make its way to the water that nourishes the tree.
    I could go on, but the point is that if we zoom out far enough, we really are a singular, connected process: the universe. It's not a terribly useful idea at our scale, thinking of us and existence as a singular flow. But at a fundamental level, we are but a piece of the remnant dust of the big bang interacting with other pieces of big bang dust.

    • @deandsouza
      @deandsouza Год назад

      I think you hit the nail on the head (and I bet SubAnima would agree with you). I guess the point is that although we are all connected at some quantum level, i.e., we're all part of one process, our world can be characterised by regularities at the level of the human (e.g., when a ball collides with another in the middle of a pool table, the second ball will likely move), such that some interactions are more "meaningful" than others. So although individuality can probably never reach 100%, some may be considered sufficiently close enough to 100% for all practical purposes (e.g., planets in different solar systems are practically independent entities because the interaction with the local star will swamp any interstellar interaction).

  • @RSVikingJohn
    @RSVikingJohn Год назад +2

    Organisms are made of particles like atoms. Due to the large collection of these particles and the underlying physical laws you get emergent behavior (Conway's Game of Life with physical laws as the rules). Human concepts like "organisms" are just a phenomena we observe (aka an emergent system). However, they are as complex as the underlying mechanisms from which they emerge. Their behavior is not bound to our simplification.
    Concepts like "organism" has their use in everyday life for communicating ideas, but we should be aware that they are significant approximations.

  • @AJCEJ
    @AJCEJ 2 года назад +9

    back at it with the bees

  • @bubbashrimp
    @bubbashrimp 10 месяцев назад

    I cant thank you enough for the way you cited all your sources on your website :) I love this very much thank you for the further reading ❤

  • @evanknowles4780
    @evanknowles4780 2 года назад +4

    Wow that was a good video! It reminded me of Vsauce’s recent video on ontology, but from a more biological standpoint. Keep it up!

    • @SubAnima
      @SubAnima  2 года назад +1

      Haha bang on. That was a major source of inspiration but I was like “hmm I could totally do this for a biology video.” Thanks, glad you enjoyed !
      Jake

  • @mminto
    @mminto Год назад +1

    Wow! Someone who respects their audience enough to PROOF-READ their captions BEFORE posting!?! I am in gracious shock.

  • @sleeps3925
    @sleeps3925 Год назад +10

    Not sure if you've read "Everything Flows: Towards a Processual Philosophy of Biology" by Danial Nicholson and John Dupre. It's open source, I think, but it has a series of essays expounding on exactly what you talk about here video. It's a great read for anyone interested.

    • @SubAnima
      @SubAnima  Год назад +2

      A fantastic book, yep it’s open access :) academic.oup.com/book/27525

    • @sleeps3925
      @sleeps3925 Год назад +3

      @@SubAnima Right, open access, not open source haha

  • @maync1
    @maync1 7 месяцев назад +1

    Yes, we are actually quite different. You have your belief and I have mine. Period.

  • @kryt7955
    @kryt7955 Год назад +10

    This is hands down the best philosophy video I've ever seen. It wasn't just a long rant of random philosophical ideas (which most other philosophy videos, IMHO, are), but actually shared very meaningful ideas in a very structured and scientific way. Keep up the good work!

  • @martinjohannes1
    @martinjohannes1 Год назад +1

    I find your video fantastic, thank you. Have to watch it again, greetings from Vienna

  • @unusualpond
    @unusualpond Год назад +5

    Really excellent storytelling. I’m a psychotherapist and artist and my background is continental philosophy, so I know a thing or two about this field and you nailed it.

  • @Paul_Marek
    @Paul_Marek 8 месяцев назад

    This presentation was astounding. This is philosophy, psychology and biology combined - like us. ;)
    Thx so much for this.

  • @shanelewis2255
    @shanelewis2255 2 года назад +8

    Very interesting Jake! Food for thought 😊 Wait, now my food is part of my individuality, changing my microbiome, which makes me a different person. I wonder how this non stable sense of me can be actively manipulated to improve healing ie of chronically damaged tissue? Cheers

    • @SubAnima
      @SubAnima  2 года назад +6

      Thanks Shane! I would say one of the biggest takeaways that could have applications (at least in our thinking) is that genetics isn't everything. Our environment and our choices have way more control over our future selves than we might think if we take what's in our DNA too seriously. I think most doctors and practical physicians know this well (else what would be the point of doing any treatment at all) but in research we can often fall prey to over-trusting in an organism's genes as a definition of what they are.
      The person with chronically damaged tissue who gets good treatment will end up a very different individual to the person they could have been without treatment.
      - Jake

  • @C3N50R3D
    @C3N50R3D Год назад +12

    At the most basic level, all organisms are made of a combination of atoms. They contain atoms that combine together to form molecules.

    • @johnwade7842
      @johnwade7842 Год назад +10

      Right but like in his example a river isn't defined by the indevual water molecules that make it up. Since if the specific atoms that make up stream doesn't matter, so long as more watter comes to fill it. In the same way the particular atoms that make you up right now doesn't matter in regard to defining your ideviduality. All that matters it that more atoms of the right type replace those atoms that leave. It is the difference between defining us as the atoms themselves or as a process that atoms do.

    • @haggismcbaggis9485
      @haggismcbaggis9485 Год назад +3

      @@johnwade7842 The title of this video is still click-baity and wrong.

    • @suruxstrawde8322
      @suruxstrawde8322 Год назад

      @@haggismcbaggis9485
      It’d be better phrased as “organisms are patterns” really, life specifically follows fractals of division trees.

    • @badabing3391
      @badabing3391 Год назад

      ​@@haggismcbaggis9485cry

    • @johnwade7842
      @johnwade7842 Год назад

      @psychedelic_funk Well nothing is truly individual in this universe, Energy and matter transfers exchanges properties and eventual evens out to a low entropy state. No system is truly individual or isolated from a physics perspective

  • @briankivuti
    @briankivuti Год назад +2

    I feel like we need a word, that names the kind individual we become when tied to something else in an informational feedback loop. I'm taking this from the eucalyptus tree & tiktok example. A name that acknowledges the symbiotic individual we become that includes an AI relationship, much like that of a microbiome relationship.
    Thank you so much for this video! This gastalt theory has been on my mind since reading Alan Watts The Book, which introduced these concepts to me, reshaping how I see the world.

  • @akirachisaka9997
    @akirachisaka9997 Год назад +5

    I like the idea of "Informational Individuals". Because I think it also pretty neatly defines life and death.
    Alive is "being an individual". And death is when the individual can no longer sustain itself, which cause it to collapse and no longer able to effect it's future.

  • @Ejckej
    @Ejckej Год назад +1

    Thanks for literally becoming a part of my feature self. 😊
    Throughout the video as you mentioned various theories based on individuality composition I felt there always wasn't something quite right about them. But the information theory and viewing self as a process rather than a bunch of parts make a lot of sense.
    In my favorite Czech potcast Brain we are (it's in Czech unfortunately.) I heard an interesting concept of something they called a "mind field". That is, parts of our environment provoke certain thinking and thus might become a part of us. Our individuality is constantly changing as we are moving in the world. In a kitchen for example there is a higher chance of thinking of food. So it's not just the living things that influences who we are.
    Moreover you can sort of program your enviroment to generate a wanted mind field. If you want to learn to play guitar for example, just put it in your room. It will naturally become a part of the rooms mind field. Next time you go there, there's a greater chance of you thinking of playing.

  • @felicitye2670
    @felicitye2670 2 года назад +5

    🤯

  • @Spudmay
    @Spudmay Год назад

    This was phenomenal. This is exactly what I've been trying to put into words.
    Keep thinking and teaching my friend ❤️

  • @hanialasad7863
    @hanialasad7863 2 года назад +4

    Kids crying now, thanks

    • @SubAnima
      @SubAnima  2 года назад +2

      Yeah sorry about that. Get them off TikTok.

    • @felicitye2670
      @felicitye2670 2 года назад +1

      AHAHAHA

  • @ariellalima7229
    @ariellalima7229 5 месяцев назад

    Just found this channel and I'm loving it so far.

  • @bhanunihale4576
    @bhanunihale4576 Год назад +9

    Nice click bait title bro👌

  • @annaczgli2983
    @annaczgli2983 Год назад +1

    I'm glad I stumbled upon your channel. This video really made me think! You've got my sub!

  • @kangarht
    @kangarht 7 месяцев назад

    your totally new perspective on scientific and other concepts are mind blowing, subscribed

  • @anhleroy
    @anhleroy Год назад

    Enjoying the video. I generally don’t like music behind people talking but you did it well. The pace of the speech went well with it and you changed it up. Maybe that’s the trick.

  • @bjornwiklander5738
    @bjornwiklander5738 Год назад +1

    Fantastic video! The conflict between defining things in discrete categories vs on a continuum, reoccurs again and again in different areas. F.e. autism becoming a spectrum, this video, definition of species and much more. The central issue is that on one hand, defining things along a continuum is pretty much always gonna be less contradictory, defining discrete categories can be really, really useful. There doesn't have to be a conflict though, so long as one isn't too rigid. For example, one can both recognize that what contitutes a species is an approximation, but also that it can be useful and capture some distinct properties of a population, even if those aren't completely universal, or unique to them.
    Different systems can be more or less suitable to being described by continuums or discrete categories. For example, if weight measured in BMI follows a bell curve distribution, separating it into categories is inherently a bad idea (I'm aware that is how it is) But if the correlation between heart disease and weight starts increasing sharply when weight exceeds ~30 BMI, creating two categories separating those below and above ~30 BMI might not just be very useful, but also a good approximation for the system of interactions between BMI and heart disease. Some approximations are worse than others, and sometimes just missleading and unhelpful. But just because a property exists along a continuum does not mean that it is linear, or following a bell curve. Some continuums are well approximated by distinct groups. A crude example graph would be |_/\_/\_ where there is a blurry line between the two groups, but they are much more distinct than a bell curve.
    A good example where there is no controversy is electromagnetic waves, which certainly form a very smooth continuum, but is also categorized into infrared, visible, microwave, radio etc. Even though the line between them is blurry, and not set firm, they still (approximately) exhibit distinct behavior. The classification is not just useful, but also a good approximation of the behaviors of the system. Aliens around the universe probably created similar categories. (Is that what defines a good categorization, it being independently arrived at? Not perfect, but funny thought).
    Oof, that is a long one, I probably wouldn't read that myself! But at least trying to explain something helps one to understand and make sense of it, so there is that.

  • @Wild_Pernaja
    @Wild_Pernaja 8 месяцев назад

    Before the part about process ontology I was constantly thinking about how we miss the 4th dimension of time. There is a phrase that humans span in space incomparably less than in time. Process ontology is even better, it looks at the world in 4th dimensions and also includes interactions as a part of individuality. This is so quantum physics. Any process is so much like a wave function.

  • @lizzyrush4205
    @lizzyrush4205 Год назад +1

    I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS SO MUCH!!! ❤ they are so fascinating and are just the right level of “indepthness” that I’m looking for while still easily understandable while also discussing things I can see throughout my life. Your videos match my brain very well :) so thank you so much for all your hard work!! I can tell how much effort you put into each video and I can’t wait till more and more people keep finding the amazing content you make. Keep it up! 🫶

  • @JoshKings-tr2vc
    @JoshKings-tr2vc 3 месяца назад +1

    We need this philosophy everywhere.

  • @boryspikalov6360
    @boryspikalov6360 Год назад +1

    Wow, I'm amazed by this video conclusion. I once arrived at a similar idea when thinking about causal links and free will: that the reason why we perceive humans as integrated agents is to reduce the computational complexity. Though humans are determined by miryad of factors, their internal characteristics as agents (= self) are the key determinant and can be treated as an independent factor.

  • @kishfoo
    @kishfoo 8 месяцев назад +1

    Database and processor. Read/write access to a database that runs alongside a processor. Everything within the confines of this control is your personal body. Organisms within you have a similar database and processor that defines who they are. Corporations have databases but not one that is completely accessible by a single central processor per se. A.I. could very well change that and comparmentalize humans within a larger entity. Full control might sound scary, but do we really have full control of every organism within our body? It's more like a sway using nutrition, exercise, rest, and excretions.

  • @nickmagrick7702
    @nickmagrick7702 Год назад

    love your analysis, glad I stumbled upon your videos. I share many of the same perspectives, but I think you articulate them better than I can

  • @aeonikus1
    @aeonikus1 Год назад

    Great Content, as always, deep, science-based, insightful, open-minded and using a various systems, philosophies and thoughts, brilliant. You're a truly rising star on YT constellation :)

  • @mrpolomar7251
    @mrpolomar7251 Год назад

    This was very well done and really enjoyable. Well done! First time I've encountered your channel - will be digging in more. All the best.

  • @MJS-lk2ej
    @MJS-lk2ej Год назад +1

    physics unironically solved this problem with the theory of Emergent Phenomenon, which is sort of a union of process and substance ontology.

  • @warner631
    @warner631 3 месяца назад +1

    Come on algorithm, find this man

  • @DoreenBellDotan
    @DoreenBellDotan Год назад

    Thank you so much. I'm 66 years old and have been grappling with the concepts of individuation vs. collective and individuation vis-a-vis collective all my like. Because I was stuck in thinking of individuation as being far to singly defined and static, I created a dichotomy that needn't have existed in my mind had I allowed for a more fluid concept of individuation.

  • @kokopelli314
    @kokopelli314 Год назад

    So a few years ago I was talking with a friend about the ecology of a prairie as being the convolution of bison, their predators and grasses within a geophysical and climate context. Lots of other organisms and abiotic factors, but the point being that the complex settles into state space and transfers information as waveforms into the future. This is a simple example of what all ecosystems are constantly doing unless severely disrupted.

  • @michaelmaloskyjr
    @michaelmaloskyjr Год назад +2

    Except there ARE brain cells that don't regenerate and do persist through time, so there's always an original sample.
    Before one brings up, fetal development, let's also define personhood, the "I" of this video. A person has interests, so there are gray areas of humans losing personhood by cerebral injury. And sensation is the evolutionary basis for consciousness, the "I" -- the necessary and sufficient cause of personhood, the ability to ask "Who am I." Also, the absence of another "you" springing up from shedded cells reinforces your uniqueness.
    Underlying all of this is an important notion from philosophy: Just because you CAN ask a question, doesn't necessarily make it a GOOD question or even a useful one, i.e., a linguistically fabricated enigma.
    So in keeping with Process Ontology, the much better question is: "What can I do?"

  • @hypergraphic
    @hypergraphic Год назад

    Wow this was such a thought provoking video. You have impacted my future self. Right away I have lots of questions come to mind. I'm just starting to read Dr. Robert Sapolky's book, Determined, on how free will does not exist, but how nonetheless we can be changed and change others. Also, immediately I'm thinking of how beautiful the mathematics describing this all must be, and the religious traditions like vedanta and Buddhism, and how they all relate to this topic. Lots to think about! Thanks so much!

  • @OsvaldoBayerista
    @OsvaldoBayerista Год назад

    Dude i love you, this channel is so good.

  • @jessetuneguy1518
    @jessetuneguy1518 8 месяцев назад

    This is da channel I’ve been waiting for

  • @X-boomer
    @X-boomer Год назад +1

    Every argument about the self, individuality, consciousness etc is basically due to people getting confused between different levels of abstraction.

  • @ArifGhostwriter
    @ArifGhostwriter Год назад

    Sub'ing now - so that I can say, 'I was there!' - when this channel expands exponentially!

  • @marcosfraguela
    @marcosfraguela Год назад +2

    Super interesting!. I would add the possibility of Panpsychism, that predicates that all things have some kind of mind/soul. If we struggle to find the limit between the living and the inert, maybe that's because there's no limit at all. Maybe a virus is kind-of living. Maybe a star or a galaxy has some kind of live or individuality, or mother earth, or mars or a civilization or the internet for the same argument. And maybe, what we consider an individual is subjective and based on perspective. If we operated at the level of cells, a fellow cell would appear to us as an individual, and the whole being would seem more like something difficult to grasp (cells don't think but lets imagine they can). Of course its not the same at every level, because entire animals are super well defined for us intuitively, and seem to display the peak of complexity and organization, while individuals at larger scales (such as a society, a bee hive, and other) if they exist, they share the same level of complexity with some complex molecules. But that isn't a reason for discarding the possibility that those individuals have -some- kind of existence. Faint, subtle maybe, but real.

  • @jeffreyflynn5746
    @jeffreyflynn5746 Год назад

    You are are awesome bro! Keep up the videos! You explain things so well and put it all in an a way I can understand and get interested inn

  • @gearoiddom
    @gearoiddom Год назад

    Good final conclusion and very relevant right now.

  • @apolo2177
    @apolo2177 Год назад +1

    very nice man, I'm sure when the internet was invented this was the type of exchange of ideas they had in mind.

  • @DenisaNastase
    @DenisaNastase Год назад +2

    I haven't seen such a rational and yet out of the box video in a long time. Loved how you've managed to explain such a complex topic in such a simple way, and without a shortage of brilliant insights.
    Personally I feel everything has individuality, everything has a soul and a mind, thinks and feels. A cloud, an ant, a microbe, a human, etc. And everything only exists in relation to everything else. So yeah.. we all are just temporal appearances created by an atemporal process. Just like the mycelium pops up mushrooms here and there, I think the universe pops up "things" here and there :) Sometimes these things have a longer lasting appearance to them, sometimes a shorter one. But nonetheless all appearances are produced from the same invisible substratum.

  • @petermartin5030
    @petermartin5030 Год назад +1

    Great video, thank you! For me thinking more about control, locus of control, and autopoesis are ways to take this thinking.... with consciousness then being control of control, topping out our control hierarchy.

  • @Jasondurgen
    @Jasondurgen Год назад +2

    This is the kind of content yt was made for.

  • @brandonwootton5575
    @brandonwootton5575 Год назад +1

    Thank you so much for making this

  • @sjnok2905
    @sjnok2905 Год назад +1

    Dialectical Materialism makes this extremely easy to answer

    • @whatabouttheearth
      @whatabouttheearth 8 месяцев назад +1

      DM doesn't explain biological hierarchy, it does not explain cell death, energetics, or isotopic turnover in the body. DM doesn't explain a lot.

  • @Lambda_Ovine
    @Lambda_Ovine Год назад +1

    I have now decided that if _I am_ something, that's a contiguous ever changing experience whose continuity feels so as much for me as for others around me and vice versa.

  • @themeeseman6950
    @themeeseman6950 6 месяцев назад +1

    With your Ship of Theseus paradox, another way to think about it could be that the ship has undergone Mitosis :)

  • @biedl86
    @biedl86 Год назад +1

    Very interesting. I'm definitely going to deep dive process ontology now. It seems like a little bit of a misleading term, for I'd usually call entities like the self and e.g. emotions emergent properties, explicitly distinguishing them from entities with ontological properties. But in discussions with non-Nominalists this seems misleading too, for I still call emergent properties real, and many times people confuse that with existence. Maybe this concept is a little more palpable. Thanks for sharing.