Stossel: Debating a Hoaxed Journal Editor

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  • Опубликовано: 18 мар 2019
  • The editor of a journal that fell for a hoax defends his field.
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    Seven academic journals recently published papers that were actually hoaxes designed to show the absurdity found in such academic fields as gender studies, race studies, and queer studies. The hoaxers intentionally submitted papers that were ridiculous. One included gibberish about rape culture in dog parks. Another was a section of Hitler's Mein Kampf re-written with feminist buzzwords.
    Six journal editors would not talk to Stossel, but one-Roberto Refinetti, editor in chief of Sexuality and Culture-agreed to an interview.
    He condemns what the hoaxers did: "You're deceiving people without much of a reason."
    He complains, "If you're going to do your research with people, you have to propose your research, submit to a body called an Institutional Review Board."
    One of the hoaxers, Peter Boghossian, was found guilty by his employer (Portland State University) of violating its rules requiring him to get approval for the experiment. Of course, since the Institutional Review Board would have insisted that the researchers inform the journals that they were being tested, the test wouldn't have worked.
    Stossel says he thinks the hoaxers had good reason not to go to the review board first. "Their hoax woke us up to the fact that some academic journals publish nonsense," he says.
    Refinetti's journal, for instance, published the hoax paper titled, "Going in Through the Back Door: Challenging Straight Male Homohysteria, Transhysteria, and Transphobia Through Receptive Penetrative Sex Toy Use."
    The paper touted "encouraging male anal eroticism with sex toys" because it would help make men more feminist.
    Sexuality and Culture published that paper after its reviewers praised it glowingly. One called it "an incredibly rich and exciting contribution...timely, and worthy of publication."
    Refinetti defends his journal, saying that it publishes mind-expanding questions.
    "What is the problem with [the subject of the paper]? I don't see a problem....It's nothing really absurd or unusual," Refinetti says.
    He also says: "Let's question our assumptions, because maybe we're making assumptions that we shouldn't be making....When homosexuality was considered a mental illness. People pushed, the psychiatrists got together, and said...'it's a perfectly fine thing to choose and not to call it mental illness.' So that's the type of thing that a journal in sexuality and culture does, is discuss."
    Discussion is good, Stossel agrees. But in journals today, it seems that only certain conclusions are permitted. The hoaxers complain that in many university fields: "A culture has developed in which only certain conclusions are allowed, like those that make whiteness and masculinity problematic."
    "I wouldn't be surprised to find out that in some places that is correct," Refinetti agrees.
    "Is that a problem?" asks Stossel.
    Refinetti replies: "How big of a problem is it? Is it worse than hunger? Is it worse than people shooting each other?"
    But a lack of diversity of ideas does make it harder to find truth-and more likely for ridiculous ideas to thrive. Today's colleges have an extreme lack of diversity: A National Association of Scholars report found that professors at top liberal arts colleges are 10 times more likely to be Democrats than Republicans.
    Refinetti says that's not surprising.
    "I think it's very reasonable-because what is the job of learning?...Being more open to new ideas, which is what being a liberal is," he says.
    Stossel pushes back: "This is your left-leaning definition; it's conservatives that proposed changes like school vouchers...privatizing air traffic control."
    "That's an interesting point," Refinetti responds. "Then the hypothesis is shut down. See, that's how things work. You show the idea, you discuss the idea, and get it."
    Refinetti says his journal publishes multiple viewpoints. It has published articles that question feminist orthodoxy.
    Stossel says he's grateful that Refinetti was willing to have a conversation, but he still cheers the hoaxers for revealing that much of what passes for scholarship at colleges is bunk.
    The views expressed in this video are solely those of John Stossel; his independent production company, Stossel Productions; and the people he interviews. The claims and opinions set forth in the video and accompanying text are not necessarily those of Reason.

Комментарии • 750

  • @savagesavant4964
    @savagesavant4964 5 лет назад +1495

    As much as I despise folks like him....at least he had the strength of character to sit in front of the camera & face Stossel.

    • @JoseAyerdis
      @JoseAyerdis 5 лет назад +38

      I was thinking the same, lots of people just hide and don't face any questioning those are the one that I'm mostly skeptical to.

    • @chetp8423
      @chetp8423 5 лет назад +33

      I would bet he earned a fair number of enemies for some of the things he said in this interview, as well. He said nothing that would shock you or me, but leftists blamed Chelsea Clinton for the Christchurch massacre - to say zero dissent from leftist orthodoxy is allowed is a massive understatement.

    • @johnconnors6412
      @johnconnors6412 5 лет назад +6

      He still didnt admit anything. that might happen later

    • @wozzup08
      @wozzup08 5 лет назад +5

      He seem honest at least. Six other are just hypocrites I guess.

    • @MilwaukeeF40C
      @MilwaukeeF40C 5 лет назад +4

      That's not always a strength.

  • @TheK01234
    @TheK01234 5 лет назад +687

    This guy sounds like he desperately wants to agree with Stossel and still have a job at the same time.

    • @iloveeveryone8611
      @iloveeveryone8611 5 лет назад +30

      LagiNaLangAko23. Same, i feel sorry for the guy

    • @GeneralZap
      @GeneralZap 5 лет назад +4

      So true, so pitifully saddening!

    • @paolo2012
      @paolo2012 5 лет назад +3

      Exactly

    • @johndallara3257
      @johndallara3257 3 года назад +7

      Yea, he found free money that only required absolute lack of critical thinking.

    • @FullyAdamatic
      @FullyAdamatic 3 года назад +1

      I like him, reminds me of the dean from community.

  • @cyberpunkhowl674
    @cyberpunkhowl674 5 лет назад +129

    Only one of the seven had the courage and open mindedness to actually meet with a real journalist.

  • @kennykrool74
    @kennykrool74 5 лет назад +268

    You gotta respect this editor. In some Fields some jargons are used and it's stupid but you just have to live with it.
    This dude clearly has had a wife for at least 10 years.

    • @6subswith0vids80
      @6subswith0vids80 5 лет назад +10

      I thought he was gay tbh lmao

    • @kennykrool74
      @kennykrool74 5 лет назад +7

      That accent is because he's Brazilian but that's a 🔥 joke Schultz

    • @itsnotatoober
      @itsnotatoober 5 лет назад +2

      He has a million wives because all the people working in the field are women.

    • @RyanSmith-hi2nv
      @RyanSmith-hi2nv 3 года назад +5

      I respect his decision to be interviewed, but I don't respect him at all.

    • @thedude4795
      @thedude4795 3 года назад

      more like 10 weeks lol

  • @wclifton968gameplaystutorials
    @wclifton968gameplaystutorials 5 лет назад +291

    I think this guy is trying too hard to defend his field but he is failing at that.

    • @fkostyuk
      @fkostyuk 5 лет назад +4

      I mean the argument doesn't follow, because a specialized journal published bullshit doesn't mean the whole field is bullshit or has no standards. There are instances of STEM journals publishing gibberish yet no one questions the standards of these fields. Hoaxes only prove that the journals' editors make questionable decisions

    • @DaveMartinCanuck
      @DaveMartinCanuck 5 лет назад +8

      I don't think so. The editor is aware and has done some self examination. The editor cites doubt as a guiding principle but it was not applied in this case. He is honest by saying he doesn't have an answer at this time to improve the examination of claims. On the plus side the h oaxers have given editors an insight into the weeknesses that could be exploited.

    • @fkostyuk
      @fkostyuk 5 лет назад

      @@nathans4305 again, you can only apply this to the quality of the journals

    • @fkostyuk
      @fkostyuk 5 лет назад +1

      @@DaveMartinCanuck yeah if anything it's just a call to higher the editorial standards of humanities journals, not to scrap and dismiss humanities as a field

    • @fkostyuk
      @fkostyuk 5 лет назад

      @@nathans4305 what is the share of journals that published hoaxes comparatively to the whole humanities journal publishing field?

  • @repooc84
    @repooc84 5 лет назад +244

    Stossel always comes with no BS.

  • @johnknestis3851
    @johnknestis3851 5 лет назад +45

    “When a bank gets robbed they update their security system.” Great point.

  • @Chronically_ChiII
    @Chronically_ChiII 5 лет назад +129

    I thought Roberto was better than I expected.
    He aknowledge some of these dangerous trends which is amazing compared to what I would normally expect.

    • @kevinodom2918
      @kevinodom2918 4 года назад +2

      I heard they found his body in a ditch the day after this was aired. Lol

    • @MeanBeanComedy
      @MeanBeanComedy 4 года назад +1

      @@kevinodom2918 ¡Ay Dios mio! ¡No, mi Roberto! 😭😭😭

    • @Jibbermidget
      @Jibbermidget 3 года назад

      Stop giving this fucking idiot credit, you fucking idiot.

  • @HiDesert004
    @HiDesert004 5 лет назад +39

    I dropped my PhD studies like a hot potato once I realized it was mostly flimflam. Genuine scholarship is rare.

    • @mofakah5906
      @mofakah5906 3 года назад

      This is what I’ve been thinking for a long time. Maybe I’m wrong but I feel like most grad students won’t produce any new/meaningful work. Maybe I’m wrong... I can’t say for sure because I don’t know for certain

    • @kingofthorns203
      @kingofthorns203 3 года назад +1

      I truly think James, Peter, and Helen are heroes for doing this project. And Sokal before them.

    • @ashleyedgar2029
      @ashleyedgar2029 3 года назад

      Yeah I think only Econs and Med are worth doing in very limited circumstances

    • @ashleyedgar2029
      @ashleyedgar2029 3 года назад

      Almost all the arts (perhaps outside of limited public policy) at a DPHIL/Phd level are useless

  • @Daftlander
    @Daftlander 5 лет назад +96

    They didn't ask me if they could humiliate me and destroy my entire field of work. Therefore they didn't. Also good god this man can't stop blinking.

    • @mariawoo843
      @mariawoo843 5 лет назад +6

      Maybe he gets dry eyes as a side effect of his medication ;)

    • @92021elcajon
      @92021elcajon 5 лет назад +10

      It's a common physical reaction when you can't face what's happening to you.

    • @knutundthomasforever2959
      @knutundthomasforever2959 5 лет назад +8

      The blinking is a nonverbal of course and it means he is being deceptive. He can't be trusted.

    • @CarrotCakeMake
      @CarrotCakeMake 5 лет назад +9

      Blinking is an indication of interrupted or stopped thinking. It means his mind is bouncing from thought to thought like an ADHD hummingbird on cocaine.

    • @jimjohnston3188
      @jimjohnston3188 5 лет назад +4

      He answered a lot of questions with questions. That's hardly a way to defend your position.

  • @theycallmeGUN
    @theycallmeGUN 5 лет назад +73

    I'd like to see the full unedited version, but good work!

  • @Siptom369
    @Siptom369 3 года назад +15

    When someone decides to face Stossel in a sitdown that raises my respect for the person

  • @DansEarway
    @DansEarway 5 лет назад +21

    Consensus does not equate to correctness. Correlation does not equate to causation. False dichotomies run amok..

    • @seamorgh21
      @seamorgh21 5 лет назад

      Did you also notice he used the false dichotomy of "hunger is more important?"

  • @honyovk
    @honyovk 5 лет назад +9

    Sounds to me like Stossel was interviewing someone who lived in a idea-bubble for far too long and started to personally question his said ideas after having sat down with someone presenting a different viewpoint in a positive and welcoming light.

  • @voiceofstem
    @voiceofstem 5 лет назад +65

    Also upload the entire uncut interview please. It seems like it is cut in a way too prove your point. But maybe I'm wrong. Only way to find out: upload the whole interview.
    Also, keep up the good work. The academic legitimacy of these weird kinds of studies should be scrutinized.

    • @Chronically_ChiII
      @Chronically_ChiII 5 лет назад +12

      I agree with that, we both need the short version for the people with a short attention span / little time, but also the full interview.

    • @jimdandytheboss
      @jimdandytheboss 5 лет назад +3

      They both come off as idiots. I don't think a full interview would be anything but insufferable to be honest.

    • @MyCatFooed
      @MyCatFooed 5 лет назад

      I stand very strongly with you!!

    • @Chronically_ChiII
      @Chronically_ChiII 5 лет назад +11

      @@jimdandytheboss How did stossel come off as an idiot?

    • @Elbownian
      @Elbownian 5 лет назад +1

      Yes full interview as well please, nice interesting edit mind, not a hatchet job or anything.

  • @liamwinter4512
    @liamwinter4512 5 лет назад +15

    At least he agreed to be interviewed

  • @misterETIO
    @misterETIO 5 лет назад +34

    Lot of respect to the Cheif Editor for committing to this interview. I think the approach could be a bit better in this interview. One really important question was not asked: "Do you feel free to judge the submitted articles objectively?". I think this guy is just pushed into the corner - it's obvious that he doesn't agree with the stuff that's being published in his journal.
    The interviewer seemed to me to look only at the current problem rather than go beyond and explore the causes.

    • @tap1983
      @tap1983 5 лет назад +1

      Great point. Getting deeper is still something that could be done

    • @donaldpyper4627
      @donaldpyper4627 5 лет назад +2

      I do wonder why he repeatedly stated ‘we need to question assumptions’ but at no point queried questioning the data.

  • @KevinBurciaga
    @KevinBurciaga 5 лет назад +10

    "And what is the problem with that?" Seriously?

  • @inowhy1930
    @inowhy1930 5 лет назад +4

    Stossel is the best way to start the morning. Thanks for the great content as usual and thanks to Mr. Refinetti for coming and doing the interview!

  • @matts.6234
    @matts.6234 5 лет назад +28

    I respect him for giving the interview, and it has become obvious to me during the video that he does not agree with many of the conclusions of his own field, but he has to keep publishing to feed the beast that political correctness has become. He obviously values academic intentions over politics, but it seems that he has been caught up in the tide.
    I do think the hoaxes were necessary to point out the hysteria in academia, but this guy isn't the one we should be blaming for the hysteria or laughing at for falling for the hoax. He just published what the other academics wanted him to publish without looking into it too much.

  • @BlogofTheW3st
    @BlogofTheW3st 5 лет назад +18

    I’d prefer to see the full interview, myself.

  • @danielprivate7442
    @danielprivate7442 5 лет назад +12

    If these academics and their journals were really the rigorous authoritative scholars they want everyone to believe that they are, then they would not have been so easily duped. These hoax papers were validated by them because they told them what they already believed and what they wished to be true. If that's all it takes, then they are not academics, they are activists.

  • @tgravert
    @tgravert 5 лет назад +7

    They bottle shocked this industry with their version of a blind test. At a minimum they exposed these institution's complacency and laziness. The establishment needs to have its core shaken, especially in academia, being they present themselves as our foundation for so many things.

  • @CommanderXED
    @CommanderXED 5 лет назад +33

    The editor is trying to justify the existence of his journal which is little more than a pay to play/publish scam!

    • @tonyaprim3047
      @tonyaprim3047 5 лет назад +2

      And takes resources away from serious academic pursuits.

    • @kingofthorns203
      @kingofthorns203 3 года назад

      Bret Weinstein calls it "idea laundering."

  • @Alex-zr7wr
    @Alex-zr7wr 5 лет назад +8

    The bat from Anastasia became a journalist. Who knew?

  • @caitlinsader9353
    @caitlinsader9353 5 лет назад +47

    If I could I’d post photos of the bs power points from my women’s studies class (that I had no choice but to take)

    • @roca967
      @roca967 5 лет назад +4

      Here's a guy who went to a feminism seminar, just to report what it was like, being as fsir minded as he could: ruclips.net/video/o2pIehGSoC0/видео.html
      Maybe not news for you, but I found it very entertaining and interesting. He had to bite his tongue after a while to avoid possibly being kicked out. In the end he felt sorry for them all, as the overall effect was to fill them with fear that the world (patriarchy/men) is out to get them because they're women. I'd be curious to hear how these vids compared with your experience.
      Personally I've followed my instinct to stay far away from these sort of things. If we can judge a tree by its fruits, that's an orchard I'd rather avoid, haha!

    • @caitlinsader9353
      @caitlinsader9353 5 лет назад

      Rob Osborne I needed a humanities course and this was the only one that popped up

    • @caitlinsader9353
      @caitlinsader9353 5 лет назад

      Robert Caswell it was an interesting video and very accurate about the curriculum

    • @MilwaukeeF40C
      @MilwaukeeF40C 5 лет назад

      You had a choice.

  • @fullthrottlemaxrpm
    @fullthrottlemaxrpm 5 лет назад +34

    Wow this guy wasn’t as crazy as I thought.

    • @xxxBradTxxx
      @xxxBradTxxx 5 лет назад +3

      I'm pretty sure he only cares about running a successful business, he doesn't seem to believe a lot of it.

    • @stevehagen9804
      @stevehagen9804 5 лет назад +3

      He’s pretty crazy... when you defend you’re bad practices by asking “is it worse than world hunger?”, you’re probably not stable

    • @cawj7896
      @cawj7896 5 лет назад +1

      Crazy like a fox.

  • @ReasonablySkeptic
    @ReasonablySkeptic 5 лет назад +5

    It seems like the guy being interviewed was pushing the idea of "we should question everything not just accept things as they are" WHICH IS FINE, BUTTTTT once something gets to your journal shouldn't your job be questioning validity, and into verifying the results of a study? Instead the problem is they proved these journals don't check sources, don't check studies, don't verify ANYTHING they just publish what is supported by the loudest voices. If that's the case then you should not be a academic journal. THOSE IMPLY VETTING AND VERIFYING. THAT'S THE PROBLEM!!!!!

  • @outthasky
    @outthasky 5 лет назад +5

    Yet another recipient of American tax dollars..... my tax dollars, squandered. Absolutely shameful...
    Wait, did he just deflect with, “what is silly?”

  • @908jian
    @908jian 4 года назад

    Hi John, I appreciate the work you’ve been doing exposing the tendency for corruption wherever it may be. Adding to that, in the interest of bolstering truth and transparency on this channel, I’d appreciate videos of full length interviews instead of sound bites and chopped up bits of the conversation.

  • @DwayneCunningham
    @DwayneCunningham 5 лет назад +8

    Good for him for doing the interview... Too bad he had no sufficient answers.

  • @TP014563
    @TP014563 3 года назад +1

    I liked this episode because both presented thier arguments. Its very rare to hear both sides of any story and being so calm and respectful.

  • @Zero-ry2rc
    @Zero-ry2rc 5 лет назад +5

    It is my sincere hope that this interview wakes up the interviewee. It seems he kinda got, but I'm most likely wrong.

  • @blakedenton8247
    @blakedenton8247 5 лет назад +5

    I would like to see the whole interview, unedited?

  • @MyCatFooed
    @MyCatFooed 5 лет назад +4

    This guy blows it very early on in this interview when he refrences that a person read the study, it was probably a study that they were interested in doing themselves, and the paper that was published achieved the results that they themselves would've expected --- *THAT, my friend, is confirmation bias!!* That's pretty much the direct opposite of *SCIENCE!!!*
    And yes, kudos for this guy facing Stossel, but he has no reasonable defense.

    • @TuhljinTampergauge
      @TuhljinTampergauge 5 лет назад

      Bingo.
      Also, he later admits that people don't get hired if they have right-wing ideas. Sure, give the guy kudos for at least coming on, but the people acting like he's actually reasonable and giving kudos for that (a la "I don't agree with him but at least he's reasonable") are obviously very wrong.

  • @stevebruh5019
    @stevebruh5019 5 лет назад +1

    My goodness. This is highly edited. I'd love to see the full interview w/o editing.

  • @hullbreach33
    @hullbreach33 5 лет назад +69

    Stossell "The hoax proves your journal publishes nonsense"
    Journal Editor "I have a hamster in my pocket therefore your argument is invalid"

    • @MegaCurtisimo
      @MegaCurtisimo 5 лет назад +8

      Everyone knows all valid arguments are equal to seven. B/c golf balls don't have hair.

    • @bberllam
      @bberllam 5 лет назад +3

      Seems like the hamster would be up his ass 😂

    • @thaddeuscheeleyjr.369
      @thaddeuscheeleyjr.369 5 лет назад +3

      @@MegaCurtisimo True. And hairy balls don't flex much beaver cars without the blue lion' wax money. Therefore, Donald Trump is to blame for all of this somehow. It's all there for anyone to see.

    • @ben-3467
      @ben-3467 5 лет назад

      Should have gone with the Chewbaca defense

  • @davidklefeker5010
    @davidklefeker5010 5 лет назад +1

    Whether your on one side or the other, this guy, Refinetti has shown incredible humanity by knowingly accepting an interview that I am sure all of his colleagues highly advised against. You may fervently disagree with him, but you must give him respect for his candor and willingness to have a conversation. We must celebrate anyone who is willing to come to the table to discuss ideas

  • @nickfotopoulos5323
    @nickfotopoulos5323 5 лет назад +1

    This was hilarious!
    Journal editor: the sky is red
    Stossel: actually, the sky is blue
    Journal editor: well, yes it's blue
    Lather, rinse, repeat...repeat...repeat...

  • @nascar0509
    @nascar0509 5 лет назад +3

    The dire state of the public education system has to be the biggest scandal of our times!

    • @EnsignBaiXin
      @EnsignBaiXin 3 года назад

      Not the rise of strong men leaders, or anti democratic sentiments? Wow, the reality you create is unfathomable.

  • @moizesbrando
    @moizesbrando 5 лет назад +3

    This man has a definite worldview. It reflects in his treatment of academia as an 'anything goes' experiment

  • @dpolitoaaa
    @dpolitoaaa 5 лет назад +4

    good on this guy for having the nads to sit there and at least try to answer Stossel's questions.

  • @joanofarc33
    @joanofarc33 5 лет назад

    Good job! Thank you for highlighting this. Good on this editor willing to go on camera otherwise we couldn’t see how deep the rabbit hole. What this means they have standards, any idea or proposition will do.

  • @ruleroflimbs
    @ruleroflimbs 5 лет назад +5

    Can you release the full interview unedited? Would like to see it though it's really hard listening to that guy

  • @Joshua-vf3bm
    @Joshua-vf3bm 5 лет назад +6

    Editors career = 🚽 .....I can hear the flush from Wisconsin.

  • @briant7265
    @briant7265 3 года назад +1

    "Let's question our assumptions, because maybe we're making assumptions that we shouldn't be making."
    That is EXACTLY what your job is.
    I get the feeling that this man IS actually trying to do that, and that is why he was willing to do the interview. The other 6 "journals"? Not so much.

  • @HylanderSB
    @HylanderSB 5 лет назад +8

    I love how the Refinetti tries to justify the dominance of the political left as somehow a natural consequence of scholarly pursuit even though the phenomenon only arose in the last 50 or so years.

    • @tonyaprim3047
      @tonyaprim3047 5 лет назад +1

      "We need to have a ten-to-one ratio of Democrats to Republicans because Democrats are more open-minded." (Based on the fact that they all come to the exact same conclusions as each other in all these journals?)

    • @TuhljinTampergauge
      @TuhljinTampergauge 5 лет назад

      ​@@tonyaprim3047 - " '... Democrats are more open-minded.' (Based on the fact that they all come to the exact same conclusions as each other in all these journals?) "
      He later admits that people don't get hired if they have right-wing ideas. The guy is very dishonest. Even if he believes some of the things he says, there's no excuse for a lot of it; at best, he's lying to himself as well as everyone else.

  • @KenJones1961
    @KenJones1961 3 года назад +2

    Kind of makes you want to question someone who says, "Studies have found..."

  • @machinedgod
    @machinedgod 5 лет назад +8

    Hahaha, I thought homosexuality is not a choice, lol... now I see a psychologist on tape saying that other psychologists gathered and decided that it is, indeed, a perfectly fine choice... rofl 5:20

  • @DavidM_GA
    @DavidM_GA 5 лет назад +2

    If someone(or some group) can get you to say something you KNOW is a lie then they own you lock, stock and barrel. I thnk Orwell said something similar about double-think where you hold two contradictatory ideas at once just because you were told to.

  • @iasonasmaas697
    @iasonasmaas697 5 лет назад +2

    Kudos to the journal rep for agreeing to have the convo. Shows some integrity. I can see both sides. I respect the academic ideal, represented by these journals, that the point of research is to explore anything. What may seem outlandish at first may be important in context. BUT, I also understand, and agree with, the critics who say that this whole ideal seems to be contradicted by the political correctness at play, and the fact that the inquiry, and conclusions, only ever seem to go one way.

  • @D00kerT
    @D00kerT 3 года назад +1

    I'll at least give Roberto credit for having the balls to talk to John. He's far more willing to back up his points and be willing to accept criticism than the rest of these cowardly journals. Roberto is willing to stand up for his colleagues; the rest were not and for that, they should be ashamed.

  • @extranolugar4588
    @extranolugar4588 3 года назад +2

    At least the editor had the intestinal fortitude to meet with Stossel.

  • @SteveMillerhuntingforfood
    @SteveMillerhuntingforfood 5 лет назад +18

    @6:50 The job of learning? The job of the school is to teach the student the tools of critical thinking. Not promote an agenda.
    @3:00 "They did a study and got the results I wanted" That comment tells me they are flawed. The whole process of scientific study is to develop the hypothesis; and collect data without bias to your conclusion. You have to be open minded to the fact you'll prove the hypothesis wrong. Otherwise, you'll collect the data that supports your hypothesis.

    • @whatevergoesforme5129
      @whatevergoesforme5129 5 лет назад +4

      Agree. I am a GenXer and during my college days, we were taught that our findings could either support or refute our hypothesis and that there was nothing wrong when the evidence proved that our hypothesis was wrong. Maybe today's generation is being taught that their hypothesis should always be supported by their findings.

    • @SteveMillerhuntingforfood
      @SteveMillerhuntingforfood 5 лет назад +2

      @@whatevergoesforme5129 Findings? Nope, Feelings.

    • @SteveMillerhuntingforfood
      @SteveMillerhuntingforfood 5 лет назад +2

      @Ken MacDonald NOPE. Give them the tools to think critically. That's not an agenda. The understanding of American values and what ever else they want to learn about comes after they know how to learn.

  • @markterzi857
    @markterzi857 5 лет назад +1

    Stossel: Do you have any right leaning contributors to your journal?
    Professor man: "I wouldn't say right leaning because we don't like the extreme left or right" How can you wear a suit and say something that ridiculous

  • @jaylambert2838
    @jaylambert2838 5 лет назад +3

    Part of me respects him for showing up. Another part of me thinks this was a stupid move. And both parts can tell he knows he has been made a fool of and has no choice but to be disingenuous.

  • @jonshaw4948
    @jonshaw4948 2 года назад

    Way to go Mr. Stossel. I love your you tube clips. Keep up the good work.

  • @user-ex9ti7ds3m
    @user-ex9ti7ds3m 5 лет назад

    I would like to hear his answer when plainly asked "Why should ANYONE read your publication, give you funding, or take this field remotely seriously when you would approve unverified studies for publishing?"

  • @Ubadubarge
    @Ubadubarge 5 лет назад

    It shows Stissel just looking at the guy "What the fuck is the matter with you?" is written all over his face. Too funny.

  • @MrJonnyPepper
    @MrJonnyPepper 5 лет назад +3

    I'm waiting for this guy to tear off his face and revealed that he's actually Sacha Baron Cohen

  • @andersjohnson9565
    @andersjohnson9565 5 лет назад +1

    The big problem with this particular paper is how little scrutiny it received in comparison to the idea of conversion therapy in general (i.e. if the supposed subjects were not straight males).

  • @CRAEager
    @CRAEager 5 лет назад

    It would be great to see a less intensively cut version of the interview with Refinetti, or indeed the whole interview uncut. I would be very interested to hear everything someone in such a position would have to say about this scandal.

  • @fainitesbarley2245
    @fainitesbarley2245 5 лет назад +2

    Fascinating
    How is this ‘questioning traditional values’ when traditional values are completely misrepresented?

  • @scalp340
    @scalp340 5 лет назад +1

    "If you don't match what most people believe, you are consider wrong."
    Sure, but that's not not how science and research publications work. This is the one (most important IMO) area where beliefs and democracy don't and shouldn't belong. Because it's how we find out what is true!

  • @JoePetriCoach
    @JoePetriCoach 5 лет назад +1

    It’s like if Larry Flynt decided to disguise Hustler as an academic journal.

  • @ZZZZXXXXXZZZZ
    @ZZZZXXXXXZZZZ 5 лет назад +5

    Dude is in denial...
    4:05 well I guess as long as it's not as bad as murder, all is forgiven! lol
    Scary.

  • @passingliaison
    @passingliaison 5 лет назад +2

    At 6:38 in this video Stossel talks about a National Association of Scholars study that shows Democrats outnumber Republicans 10 to 1 at Liberal Arts colleges. Roberto Refinetti's response is that this is "very reasonable" because the "job of learning" according to Refinetti is to "question assumptions that are not traditional" and that the job of learning is to "not be Conservative." Which is idiotic to say the least. It has become traditional knowledge that the Earth is round and revolves around the sun, does that make the now debunked theory that the Earth is flat now an acceptable view again because it's no longer the traditional view? No. What is seen as "traditional" varies with time, culture and knowledge.
    The irony of this though is that Refinetti goes on to admit Stossel has a good point about how the left are the ones fighting for the status quo, or what are traditional views today. If Conservative views are considered the "traditional" view, why are so many Conservative students and speakers dealing with suppression, up to and even through violence?

    • @MilwaukeeF40C
      @MilwaukeeF40C 5 лет назад

      Earth is not round. More like a beach ball being squeezed at the poles.

  • @ludwigvanel9192
    @ludwigvanel9192 5 лет назад +1

    Kudos to the editor for not being too embarrassed to join the interview.
    But this is symptomatic isn't it? Political Correctness is a requisite to getting published, in academoc journals, that speak of issues that the left thinks it can use to achieve its ends.That obviously includes climate.

  • @todayontheinternet9576
    @todayontheinternet9576 5 лет назад +4

    'Validated at the highest level of academic grievance studies...' grievance studies...high level...lul.

  • @bglynch3176
    @bglynch3176 Год назад

    Many years ago there was a speaker hired to talk at a physicians convention. I'm not sure if it was for a joke or something nefarious. The guy put a bunch of big words together that were nonsensical and got a standing ovation.

  • @danielhesson7866
    @danielhesson7866 5 лет назад

    Interesting interview I would like to see the full interview

  • @atheist28403
    @atheist28403 5 лет назад +2

    PLEASE READ...CONTAINS INSIDE KNOWLEDGE OF THE ACADEMIC PUBLICATION PROCESS.
    3:02 - 1) THEY MADE UP DATA that he or she wished they had but didn't. So when he says, "Wow, these people did a study that I wanted to do and 2) THEY GOT THE RESULTS THAT I THOUGHT SHOULD BE THERE, this is great!"
    And therein lies the problem. 1) One of the things that I struggled with early on in my PhD program was the fact that I was involved with a paper that got published which I later found out relied on heavily fabricated data (as in, the lead researcher made up 40% of the entire dataset, which was 60% of the data used to validate the hypotheses). When I brought this matter to the attention of my PhD coordinator, she explained to me that, "I was going to have to learn what I could live with in order to get published". Put simply, this is the way the game works...people cheat. I can either come to terms with it and embrace it or I could accept that my career opportunities would be severely limited going forward. Yeah, needless to say, I don't work at Harvard now. The kicker is, the person who fabricated his data now works at a prestigious doctoral-granting university as a professor of ethics in the department of management science (he's a professor of business ethics!).
    2) Most academicians in the social sciences have preconceived biases as to what "should" and "shouldn't" be found (true). Though it began as a well-intended way to validate the theory, methodology, data analysis techniques, and findings of academic research, the peer review process is now nothing more than a gate-keeping process to push popular ideas and silence dissent. As the hoax researchers demonstrated, you can advance the most ridiculous theses, using the most absurd methodology, and reviewers will welcome your submission with open arms; so long as it advances the preferred narrative. That said, you could submit research relying on decades of validated theory, using the most rigorous MTMM methodology, and the most sound statistical techniques, but if it goes against the shared beliefs of the reviewers, it will never see publication. Keep in mind, all forms of social science research have limitations, but they are never so catastrophic and irredeemable as when the results run counter to the accepted narrative.

  • @OB-806
    @OB-806 5 лет назад

    This guy gives off the vibe of someone who is fully aware of the flaws in his field, and fully aware that to try and fix them would be to blacklist himself in the professional academic sphere.

  • @DovidStern
    @DovidStern 5 лет назад +1

    Dang this guy was actually a respectable gentleman. I'm surprised. I hope he does what he can to improve his area of study based on what he says he believes and desires.

  • @charlesferdinand422
    @charlesferdinand422 4 года назад +1

    Abolish all social studies and humanities.

  • @42billybob
    @42billybob 5 лет назад

    Respect for having the courage to actualy do an interview. And he actually defended his position pretty well.
    If anything I'm disappointed in Stossel's criticism. The so called "experts" in the field of gender studies can't differentiate between bullshit and their own field of "science." But instead the conversation was steered towards allowing for an open platform to discuss off colour ideas.
    I agree with the idea that these ideas *should* be published. My issue was never about that. My issue was that the legitimacy of these claims is based almost entirely on the fact that they are published in these journals in the first place. It's utter crap, and people are able to say "nuh uh, it's peer reviewed real science." If we have a policy of letting anything be published, then the fact that it *is* published lends it no credibility whatsoever. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

  • @jstenberg3192
    @jstenberg3192 5 лет назад

    I found Roberto to be honest and conciliatory than I expected. Good discussion.

  • @rang123yea5
    @rang123yea5 5 лет назад +1

    He's like a crook who got caught but is following the number one rule " No Matter What Don't Give Up the Con" Double down and stick to the hustle

  • @newdefsys
    @newdefsys 5 лет назад

    Mre. Refinetti represents the best kind of person. It doesn't matter if you are liberal or conservative as long as you can sit down and talk with people that have different ideas.

  • @ethanroberts6838
    @ethanroberts6838 5 лет назад +1

    Props to your guy he is actually an academic intellectual willing to debate and say they have problems

  • @barrettjdea
    @barrettjdea 5 лет назад

    He actually sat down and didn't really blatantly evade. Reasonable guy that should be commended.

  • @mattolfson9230
    @mattolfson9230 5 лет назад +1

    I got the impression that the editor would like to make changes to his journal, but most likely would be fired if he made it a single solitary move to that end.

  • @stevemarshall3986
    @stevemarshall3986 3 года назад

    I see why no one else agreed to an interview. They didn't want to look like a fool.

  • @caitlynryder8639
    @caitlynryder8639 5 лет назад +1

    Full interview please!

  • @craigd7808
    @craigd7808 5 лет назад

    We need more journalists/reporters like John Stossel.

  • @sarasotauptoseattle
    @sarasotauptoseattle 3 года назад +1

    Stossel is still a beast. The very definition of "Journalist".

  • @schertz8
    @schertz8 5 лет назад +1

    He has no problem with someone coming through his back door.

  • @tonyaprim3047
    @tonyaprim3047 5 лет назад

    "A hoax in a journal is not going to solve a problem." True, but it will EXPOSE the problem that needs to be solved, and recognizing a problem is the first step in solving it.

  • @SeraphX2
    @SeraphX2 5 лет назад +1

    I think he misunderstands what a peer review is. His collection of peer reviewers are not supposed to be publishing based on feels. They are supposed to review and double-check the science and validity of the claims. That's literally their job so that non-factual content *doesn't* get out there. He is coming from the angle that the people *wanted* to get the paper out there when the reality is that the experiment was to see if they would catch it.

  • @JKMcClaren1979
    @JKMcClaren1979 5 лет назад

    I respect this guy tremendously. He got busted, but he sat down, had a discussion and he didn’t simply make excuses.

  • @rang123yea5
    @rang123yea5 5 лет назад +1

    Over 90% of these leftest papers are never even reviewed or referenced in any other work. Meaning?? No one reads them.

  • @jeanwesleynew
    @jeanwesleynew 5 лет назад

    At least Mr. Rafinetti had the courage to come on the show and face his mistakes. I don't agree with his journal. But he has courage and integrity. He displays a high level of reason.

  • @JAKBOT3000
    @JAKBOT3000 3 года назад

    When he started talking about the ant breathing I thought I was having a stroke

  • @BTCAsia
    @BTCAsia 5 лет назад

    Kudos to Mr. Refinetti for agreeing to the interview and defending what is supposed to be the peer review process for scholarly research and papers. While I cheer the hoaxers for exposing the journals and grievance studies community, Mr. Refinetti demonstrated he’s a reasonable person who is open to debate. Learning the articles were actually green-lighted by committees of grievance studies professors explains why they were approved.

  • @OutSideTheBoxFormat
    @OutSideTheBoxFormat 5 лет назад

    Stossel out there asking questions the MSM won't.

  • @kekort2
    @kekort2 5 лет назад

    I had a professor who said that academic papers should use purposefully obscurant language because scholarship shouldn't be available to the masses. I hated him.

  • @cousinbryan3007
    @cousinbryan3007 5 лет назад

    Dear Lord, imagine the people who refused to talk to Stossel. What a freak show they must be. 😬

  • @slashmaru
    @slashmaru 4 месяца назад

    He goes, “I don’t see a problem” with that facial expression of Robert De Nero from Meet The Parents while blinking his eye at the speed of light: A body language expert will call that a lie

  • @shaynefowley5689
    @shaynefowley5689 5 лет назад +1

    The “use to be that way” … how do you balance a conversation if the ratio is 10:1?

  • @jorpizarro
    @jorpizarro 5 лет назад

    I hate that I cannot trust anything outside of what I have personally experienced.